Haunted Cosmos - Haunted House, Doppelgänger, & UAPs - Graveyard Shift

Episode Date: July 8, 2026

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This episode is brought to you by Indigo Sundry Soap Company. Clean soap, cleaner body. We had a piano. Well, we started hearing it playing. It was an electric piano in, not plugged in. The basement was unfinished. Oh, it wasn't plugged in? No, it was not plugged in at all.

Okay, dude. She walks in the door, she hears us screaming, runs upstairs, opens the door, and the second she opens the door, it all just stops. Hey, everybody. Welcome to this episode of The Graveyard Shift. We have a very special episode in store for you today. But first, my name is Ben Garrett. I'm your host, joined as always by my co-host and friend, Mr. Brian Sovay.

Man, so good to be here on the graveyard shift. Can I just say, Ben, that this is one of my favorite things that we do with Honoccosmos. And the more we do it, the more I like it. I know. And it's because it was your idea that you say that. I'm kidding. No, I'm totally kidding. And here's the other thing.

No one I would rather do it with than my guy, Ben Garrette. Wow. that especially, man, that's high praise. From the bottom of my heart. That touches me deeply. Thank you very much. We're also joined today by a special in-person guest for this episode of The Graveyard Shift,

one of my parishioners at this church. Lexi, Lexi, would you introduce yourself and say hello to the people? Hello, people. So where are you from? Originally? Yeah, like, you know. Florida.

Florida? Yep, I'm in Tampa, Florida. Tampa. Duned in specifically, so. You know what they say about Tampa? The trash heap of Florida. Florida's litter box. Really?

Yeah, and everyone from there, terrible. Wow, that is. Thank you, Ben. I didn't know that was the same. Thank you, Pastor Garrett. I have been to Tampa, but I'm forgetting where it is. Was that where we went? No, that was Orlando.

No, we went to Orlando. Okay, yeah, yeah, okay. Where's Tampa in reference to Orlando? It's about an hour away from Orlando. It's south, right? Yeah. Okay, all right. Yes.

Yeah, yeah. Tampa Florida. We got a Tampa Florida native. All you Tampa Floridian, sound off in the comments. Sound off. And also like and subscribe. Yeah. Lexi, you married?

You have kids? I am married. Wow. I have seven children. Seven? That's amazing. How does that happen? Wow.

That's amazing. Good night. Seven kids. That's amazing. How old is the oldest? 12, almost 13. How young is the youngest? Almost one.

Nine months? Yeah. Nice. That's awesome. Yeah. Okay, so here's something that we've been doing. Everyone knows the rules. Yeah, we need it.

We have been giving our guests an icebreaker question to make sure that they become friends with all of the audience and with the hosts and of course evanescence over there on the turntables as I like to call it. So Lexi, I know this about you. I know that you are into architecture and interior design and things like that, right? Like as a hobby horse of yours. My question is, what is your favorite architectural tradition and why? Is that even a word architectural? Yeah. Okay. I probably like eclectic more than I'm willing to admit just because that is definitely, it pulls from a lot of different traditions for a reason. But also just historically, I love the idea that kind of wasn't a thing until people started being able to travel all around the world. And then once they could and men would

go off on their little world visit, they would come back with different pieces. And I just think that's really cool. Like that's not eclectic what we think about it today. Like I went to Sabres and I got all these things and it's eclectic. It was like a mark of an educated person. I got a, I got a got a banner it says, bless this home. No, yeah. And then like all the rooms are labeled, it says kitchen in the kitchen. It's all word art all the way down. Okay, second question.

This is a three-parter. Yeah. Part two. Part two is what's your favorite building in the world? Wow. The natural art and history museum in Pittsburgh. Wow. I knew you have an answer.

And so. I wanted to get married there. Did you? No. That's too bad. That's too bad. Man, that guy sounds like a real loser. Hey, what is your faith?

This is part three. What's your favorite paint color for interior rooms? This is getting so specific. Well, yeah, no, I'm here for it. Setting plaster pink currently. Wait, what is it? Setting plaster pink. Setting plaster pink?

Fair one. What kind of room would that be like in a kitchen, in a dining room? Like in all different. Yeah, I just think it looks pretty against dark antique wood. Awesome. Yeah. All right. Well, great.

Now you all know our guest a little bit better. And I think that Brian, do you have any worse before we just start diving into the stories? I like, I just have an icebreaker. First of all, I just want to say one of the most beautiful women I think I've ever seen on the show. That's a little bit for it. Thanks, babe. Like, I think. Should I leave?

I just want to say that seeing you in person across this table right now, I am feeling things. Okay. That it's hard for me to express. And so I just have one icebreaker question. like in terms of men. Okay. Who would you say? Do you have like a favorite one?

I do. You can't say your husband. That's part of the question. That's not. I mean, ah. Would you say like how, like what's he like?

He's great. He's very cheerful all the time. Very handsome. He's on a cut too. Did you know? He's on a cut. It's me. I'm the man.

He's on a cut. What would you say, this is my wife? What would you say is the part of his physical body that's improved the most in terms of, wait. He's so much less hideously ugly than he was 59 days ago. We may have to cut that out.

All right. Hey, this is my wife. Hey, listeners, you treat her respectfully. Yeah, Lexi is Lexi Sauvay. Brian, the seven kids are my kids. We wanted to do a big reveal.

And that was it. Yeah, that was it. Oh. So. So everyone knew. We're like, we know who this is. We're super stoked. Brian, by the way, he's not a total loser, like I said, about the guy who wouldn't marry Alexi in the art museum.

I didn't know that this was a thing. Yeah. So, and we were married in an idyllic valley. I took you there before we were married and said that. Yeah, but like, here's the thing. Did you live near it when you lived in Pennsylvania? It wasn't realistic. Yeah.

So my mom's family is from West Pittsburgh area. And I had gone there growing up. And then we went when we were engaged. Yeah. Yeah. Here's also, like, fun fact about Lexi, she comes from a long line of Amish shakers. Okay. And she repented and came to Christ and got out of the shaker community.

But she used to spend all of her days making handmade tables. I used to talk to you about eight tables. Lexi making handmade tables. Yeah, didn't she make y'all's dining table? No, he did. I made it. Oh. Dude.

No, I'm kidding. Really excited to have Lexi here. She brings a great energy into this group. And from what I understand, she has some crazy. stories. So here's here's the rules. All right. Neither Brian nor I know what she's going to say. Genuinely. We have no idea. And so we just want to let you take it away. You just tell the story how you want. And Brian and I will try not to interrupt too much, but certainly no promises there, especially maybe from him in this one. And, and, you know, the camera may cut to Brian giving

ugli eyes to the other side of the table. Know that those are reserved for Lexi and not me. That's real. And I do just want to say this will be the least, this will be the most amount of flirting on an episode of Honest Cosmos, but it hasn't been zero. It hasn't been zero. Because someone did, no, this is great. Pull it up on the screen. Someone made a Valentine's Day card with a picture of Ben and I holding hands. It's a real. It's a real. And I want you to know, it's not doctored. No, it's real.

And I would do it again. And the caption is, roses are red. Women be lying. Find you a man who looks at you like Ben looks at Brian. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I was like, that's pretty good. You guys took this picture? You posed for this picture.

Well, no, someone else made it. It was like in a show we did. We know. And they screen shot it. Oh, that's right. That's right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I posed with someone else, some other man.

So more flirting in this episode, but not like it wasn't zero before. I am really interested to hear how you guys process this as pastors, though, because I haven't actually talked to you guys really about. Oh, wow. So this is like genuinely. Well, no, like he knows all of this. But I haven't thought about it in a long time. time, I guess, is what I'm trying to say.

Cool. Really since Honored Cosmos, so. Okay, well, hey, I mean, take it away. Take it away. Take us there. Okay, so I definitely grew up in a home where supernatural things happened somewhat consistently, I feel like. I remember my mom talking about this book called Angels on Assignment, which I looked it up today, and it is still a thing.

I've never read it or anything. I don't know anything about that, but she kind of grew up in a really Pentecostal home, too. and when I was listening to Josh tell his story at the last series, the Graveyard Shift series, I liked how he described it, like the Pentecostal aspect of things makes it like hyper-spiritual in a way.

And so I really related to that story, but I don't necessarily know, I feel like part of it is also my personality, more of a doomsdayer type person. I don't know, how would you describe it? I mean, I'm sure you can all see like real doom and gloom over here. Optimist, pessimist, like, I'm an optimist.

Yes. And she's the end of my yang. There you go. Leave it there. Okay. I think you can relate to this. Like Tim Burton type stuff. Yeah.

I don't know why. And this is where I mean like, I'm curious to hear you guys talk about this. Daphne said it recently. She just watched the new Willy Wonka. And she told me, she said, Mom, I don't know why, but I felt really homesick while watching that movie. The one with Johnny Depp? I don't know which one it is.

Is it the one with Timothy, Timothy Chalomey, Johnny Depp, or Gene Hackman. Gene Hammond. Gene Hammond. Gene Hackman, not Gene Hammond, not Gene Simmons. Gene Hackman. Definitely not Gene Seinf. Yeah, there's three. So stuff like that, I liked it as a kid, like, um, Beetlejuice. Um, yeah. Like, we didn't teach Daphne this, but she was just like drawing pictures of graveyards. I was cleaning her room over Christmas break and I pulled her dollhouse out. In the whole back of it, she had turned into a graveyard. And I didn't even know.

I was like horrified. But I also just really was intrigued by a lot of those kind of dark, whimsical type things when I was younger. I don't know why. But I just knew, like, there was never a time in my life that I didn't know there was more than just the stuff in front of me. Does that make sense? My mom was really good at making beautiful surroundings. They're not like utilitarian type people. And I think that helped really shape my view of the world and spiritual life and everything.

So because of that, a lot of things just kind of did happen in weird ways. And I'm not going to tell all the stories. But the one that I do want to tell, I was able to verify it with my brother recently. And he was there with me when it happened. And then I have a second story that all of us were involved in, which have you guys ever talked about that one on the? No, I mean, we may mention it in passing. I don't think we've talked about.

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So we moved around a lot. And we brought this piano with us. Sorry. Are you guys? I didn't think it was going to be like, I'm really sorry. I'm really sorry. It's okay. It was electric.

Okay. So we had it, played it regularly in New Mexico. then we moved here and it just didn't work in the house. So it went into the basement. Well, we started hearing it playing regularly. And I'm moving. And just very, so my room went all the way, the vent went all the way down to the basement. So I started hearing it and was kind of like, that's crazy.

I don't, I was terrified as a child. I was terrified. I, I, I think I was 12 when this first started happening. But then my other, like we'd all be sitting in watching TV. everyone would hear it. And so there was just a lot of really weird stuff that happened in that house. I had broken my ankle at one point. And Utah houses, like you guys have one, like split levels. Yeah, yeah. Where you walk in and they're often like you can go two different directions. And so I was on my crutches and I was going up the stairs into the kitchen. And I'm just standing there and I watch the cupboard doors open. And I don't, I don't know why.

dude um and my brother had had similar experiences with the cupboard doors um but we one day so my brother played the guitar and one day he had put it away in his case and was taking it upstairs and they started hearing the piano and my mom said it must just be your guitar and he was like no mom that's literally right there in my in the guitar case also like two different instruments yes two different instruments yes two different noises yes two different noises two different instruments so So I say all that because it was like stuff I did experience on my own, but also collectively as a family, there was just weird stuff that we didn't understand what was going on because it was an electric piano in not plugged in. The basement was unfinished. Oh, it wasn't plugged in at all. Okay.

Dude. No. Sorry. I should have mentioned that at the beginning. Barry in the league. That's crazy. Yeah. What would it play?

Like what kind of sounds were you hearing? Just like one or two notes at a time. It wasn't like one of those pre-programmed, you know, like our electric pianists. and we'll play a song. No. It wasn't a song. No. Not that I remember, no.

And we had even gotten to the point where my parents had a bunch of people over one night. And we were as kids. Some of them were older. Some of them were younger than me. But we were hanging out in my room. And we all heard it. So it wasn't just my family. It was like other people outside of the family.

You had heard it at one point. Like, don't worry. This is just our spooky piano. It plays itself everyone. Yeah. No big deal. The weird thing about when you heard it, though, we were in Florida.

You were watching the house. for us. And I was literally sitting at the table talking to my aunt about the piano and he called and was like, I can hear the piano playing. Yeah, that was one of those. I'm going to leave the house now. Yeah, yeah. Because I am terrified for my life. It was kind of that situation. It was super strange. I forgot about that. But one time with my brother, we were both home. We were homeschooled. And my mom worked part time. So she would leave for like three hours in the middle of the day, sort of a situation. and we had been in the family room and kind of, I don't even know what we were doing if we were doing school or watching something,

but we heard the piano. And so we both got freaked out. My mom wasn't home. I think that's probably why we got so freaked out as we were home alone. And we ran upstairs to his room and turned on the stereo as loud as we possibly could. And he said it was switch foot. I don't remember, but. Would be a good choice.

He told me it was switch foot. It was the right era. I remember just sticking my head under the pillow because I just was like, I don't want to hear anything. I don't want to hear anything. And it stopped playing switchfoot. I remember like white noise.

How did he describe it? I can't remember. He said it. He said it. It just sounded demonic is all he could remember is like heavy base. It was not switch foot all of a sudden. We hadn't touched it at all. And at that point,

we were both so terrified that we were screaming. And we didn't know my mom had come home at that point. So she says she walks in the door, she hears a screaming, runs upstairs, opens the door. And the second she opens the door, it all just stops. The stereo, too. Yes, everything just stopped. So that was probably one of the more strange incidents with somebody else that I personally had. Yeah. There were three of us there. You know, my mom heard the stereo making weird noise too. Did she hear the piano going to? At that point. Yeah. I don't remember. I didn't ask her that. Man, that's crazy though. So the stereo switches, tracks.

Yeah. Base. And he had another, he told me this, I'd forgotten about this, but my mom was there for this one also. We had under the cupboards, it used to be really popular. There were like CD players you could attach right under there. Okay, so we had one of those that you could play either like the news or the CDs. And he had gone in there and it turned on on its own. And so he turned it off and he went back down to the family room.

my mom said, what was that? And he said, you know, it turned on on its own. This was really normal in that house. So, okay, I know I sound crazy, guys. I know I sound crazy. Was this the house, right, that was by my house? Yes. Yeah, yes.

Yeah. So he went up again. It turned back on on its own. He turned it off. Did it a third time. So he unplugged it. Then it turned on again. Unplugged.

And he said, I turned around and said, stop. And it turned off. Dude. Gabe's got command. That command voice. Gabe in command. Patriots in control. And that was the same house.

The demons were like, I'm sorry, dude. It won't happen again. That was the same one where he had the doppelganger of me that I didn't know about until he told me as an adult that that happened.

Yeah, I remember that story. Well, now you got to say it. You can't just be like, then there was the doppelganger of me. Because it wasn't it like he was homesick or something? He was homesick. And we had just gotten a puppy. And I, so there was one point where I was in public school and he was homeschooled.

And so the puppy was downstairs and he was upstairs. And he said, I heard the door open and close that you always come in from school. And I heard you talking to the dog saying how cute you were. And he said, I just waited a few minutes and you never came upstairs more. So I went down to find you and nobody was there at all. But he was like, I know it was you. It sounded like you. You talked to the dog.

You use the same door you always use. but you weren't there. Here's what I think. I think that the dog was a skin walker. Dude, it could have been. Okay. Well, no, the skin walkers, you know, they always mimic voice.

Yeah, they do. The dog was a skinwalker? I'm not actually like, I'm just saying, but they do mimic the voice of the people that they've, well, they've eaten.

So I guess. Okay. You're here. But that, no, that's one of the, that's actually almost creepier than the music thing. That's way creepier.

Like, 100%. Doppelganger stories are the creepiest. Doppelganger stories are messed up. it's all there in Renee Gerard doubles. I knew it. It's memetic rivalry. It's memetic. Anyway,

please continue. Well, there was a story, this is not your story, but the doppelganger thing. It's weird to me that this is such a consistent story you hear from people because I can't quite discern the purpose of it. It's in ancient folklore,

the mimicking of voices of loved ones and things like that to lure you. I get that like luring elements. There was a story I heard, I heard this direct from the person who experienced it. And they were an adult. It was a man. And he was like maybe in his 12 to 14 when it happened. They had a tree house in his backyard.

And he went up in this tree house. He was, you know, doing his kid thing hanging out. And they, he heard his neighbor, um, who was a pastor actually, like a youth pastor or something, call up to him like, hey, how, you know, how you doing Billy or whatever his name was? And he was like, yeah, I'm doing. And he was like, you know, what are you doing? It was like Easter weekend. Yeah, we're just going to like dye some eggs. And he was like, oh, he was like, oh, you know, how he was like, oh, he was like,

that's cool, you know, what else are you gonna? Like full on conversation? Yeah, like having this conversation about dying eggs for Easter. And then the kid like realized I should probably go look at it. Like I should, this is polite. Yeah, he's remembering the rules. I should go look at. And so he's like going and trying to find him.

And there's like windows on each side and then the door on the fourth side of the tree house. And he like can't see the guy. And then it, it stops answering him. Dude. And he never saw. anyone, but it was the voice of his neighbor whose house is like backdoor, maybe a hundred yards away. It was kind of like a long backyard. And he got instantly terrified.

He knew like something's wrong. He's looking around, can't see it. And he like jumped out, runs into his back in the house, his house. And he's like weeping. Yeah, yeah. Parents like, what's wrong? That's terrible. And he's like, and then they asked later, and it wasn't him.

It wasn't the neighbor. And I think of stories like that There are tons of stories like this, not just creepy pasta online stories, but where you, either everyone's making it up or this is like a thing that for whatever reason happens. It's even mainstream. There was a story, you know, Percy Shelley,

Mary Shelley's husband. Before she was still Mary Walsdencraft, I think they had just met, but Percy Shelley saw his own doppelganger fall off of a balcony and die. We just watch a night. episode of X-Files with doppelgangers. I love the X-Files. I love doppelgangers. I hope I never meet or hear a doppelganger. Yeah. But it's a good doppelganger story. Some of the most fascinating.

Dopple count me in. Yeah. So that's what I kept, as I was thinking about these stories, I kept thinking like, what was the point of that? Because honestly, listening to Haunted Cosmos kind of helped me detox from some of that, I feel like, or like, think through it. But I think the big characteristic that I can point to is just I was often terrified as a child and just like bound to that fear and anxiety of not of like knowing there's something out there but not quite knowing like not having the tools or maturity yet to handle it with spiritual maturity. Um, yeah. Yeah, like you don't have a framework for it. So you're just like I'm swimming in this ocean of what what might be lurking around. And on top of it all, like some of the timeline of when it was really intense.

for me was also we lived in D.C. when September 11th happened, when the shootings happened. Yep, the sniper. When anthrax happened. It was, so there was just like a lot of weird stuff going on in the world too

layered on top of whatever was going on in my spiritual. It was like, don't go outside. Yeah, we weren't allowed outside. Children were not allowed outside. They were not allowed to get the mail because of the anthrax thing. They didn't know if the shooters had access to the base.

And so it was just like terrifying. Yeah. Yeah. I do wonder sometimes just like what is the strategy behind it. What's going on? Because even there was an element of the story that I hadn't thought about before. Some of the poltergeist-ty type stuff, because the cabinet thing is, so is the piano. So is the classic poltergeist.

There's elements that are missing like swapping the salt for the pepper and hiding things and whatnot. Well, the stereo, both stereos, the, you know, the CD player. And that often associates with younger. girls who are between like 12 and 16, like puberty time. It's very strange how often it shows up in the stories. We're gullible. I didn't even think I was like, what's going on there? Yeah, it does seem like the poltergeist thing is reserved for children.

And it kind of, I mean, I don't know, like strategy-wise, like, it isn't just the introduction of doubt and anxiety and, and, in itself for the one that's an agent of chaos. Like it just, it loves to use to simplify entropy. It loves the entropy that it might be able to introduce into someone's mind. Have you read Christian Lavern's daughter? No. I know I need to.

You've told me for years now that I need to. Because she has several experiences like that as a young girl. And even reading that, it just helped me like even set it within the like Christian history. That like this was kind of normative. It's not just like this weird thing that happened. me and her dad was like Lavron. He was like, don't go follow that.

Because she saw a sprite, like a wood sprite. And it's this whole lore. And it's set in the Middle Ages, like the 1300s in Norway, Christian Norway. And it does give you a window very historically accurately

into the medieval Christian mind. They still, they absolutely believed the reformers even right about them. Hobgoblins and things like this. Yeah, Willow the Whill of the West. And it's a, yeah, that's a spirit that will try to lure you into the woods and harm you.

Yeah. You know, or so don't follow it, don't listen to it. It engages in trickery. It mimics voices. It will sound like a crying baby. Even the, you know, the kid trope thing, the Pied Piper of Hamlin took place in the high middle ages, I think, if I'm remembering, right? And it was like, it's documented. This Hamlin has multiple and.

gravings and old records of this thing that happened that led to literally like the lion's share of the children between ages five and nine disappearing one day. And now the Pied Piper thing is like that's oral tradition and folklore. But something happened. And a lot of them were coming from this, I think, correct framework where they were saying, well, yeah, all the kids went into the forest and that's where the wilderness is and what else is in the wilderness. Well, we read about it all through the prophets. There's the wild animals, but then there's also these other things with the wild animals like the jackals and the night owls and the hyenas that seem to carry some kind of preternatural or spiritual element with them where it's like the context is demonic.

And they didn't think that because they were dumb, you know? They thought that because they understood to the scriptures and they were applying it to their own lives. And anyway, it's just, it's fascinating how you would experience things like that, though, in a Christian setting. But it's something where, like, these enemies are smart and they've been around for a long time. And so there may be some method of observation where they get to see, like, yes, this is a Christian setting, but it's one wherein, like, people are still confused about how these things operate in the framework that they're in.

That's what I was going to say is, so that book I mentioned, Angels, on assignment. It wasn't like my mom had read that or heard about it and automatically assumed this is all angels doing this weird stuff. It was at least my remembering of it, it was very much a question of even my mom saying, I don't understand why she experienced this stuff or why I experienced this stuff. But then hearing you guys talk about the orthodox views of angels was so helpful for me because I was like, okay, I could easily sort through my experiences and what was good, what was bad. Does that make sense? Yeah.

So, yeah, that was really helpful. Even the chapter, I think you wrote the chapter on that. Yeah, on angels. That was so helpful for me. Yeah. To just have a section, like, it's okay to have a section where I actually believe there are angels that can come and protect and the Lord uses that. But there's also this other side where they are evil. Yeah.

And they're really just demons. They're not actually. So maybe that's what some of people are. The tough thing with the angels, I've been thinking about this more with Mothman stuff. It's been on my mind. Of course. Well, because there's a future episode that we get into it. You'll get it in the future.

Yeah, you'll see. But thinking through the dread, like one of the things that we've talked about a lot is these encounters with spiritual entities that result in this inexplicable dread that falls down on people. And how I was like, yeah, okay, but in scripture, when people see angels, they're terrified and they fall down. But the difference is that the angel knows its place. And so the angels always says you don't have to be afraid. Like peace, yeah. Yeah. Now, unless there's judgment involved or something like that,

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Yeah. Do you want me to tell the story about the UFOs? Oh, yeah. Before you do, yeah, didn't your brother also like, wasn't there a bigfoot thing with Gabe? There's been lots of bigfoot things.

We, we may be bring him on. Okay, we may be bringing him. Okay. All right, we can gloss over that. And there's a big foot thing.

Yeah, he had, he had been in the Uintas, I don't know why alone. Like, like, skull crack. Yeah. Okay, so he had been back in school crack.

This had happened a couple of different times, actually, in the winter and also in the summer. But he, I think he, was out there once with a friend. And they, and this was the winter, they were snowshoeing. And he said something was obviously throwing rocks at them.

And you know, you've been out there. You can see if somebody's throwing rocks at you. Yeah, it's not, there's not a lot of cover. Yeah, no, not at all. And this is consistent in Bigfoot stories. Yes. People who are like, we could not figure out where these things were coming from, but there was something throwing stuff at us.

Yeah. He said they just kind of. stopped for a little bit and they heard this like like if you could hear an earthquake that's what they heard and they felt like something that was like an earthquake and they just got out of there basically but he had had that happen there multiple times also when he was alone in the summer where something was throwing rocks at him in Skull Creek um my dad has similar things from like when he was a child where he's he's told me he's like i'm pretty sure i came upon a bigfoot nest sort of the situation yeah he's something about the orange groves the what it was orange groves is that what it was

related to it was in Florida, I think. Yeah. Which would have been the skunk ape. Yes. I heard that story for the first time. I think like the week after Allie and I, my wife, had gone on a climbing trip back in Skull Crack. And we'd stayed overnight back there.

And it was fine. It was a great time. We did some good climbing. But when we came back, I heard that story and I was like, oh, great. How many times were you kidnapped by Bigfoot on the trip? As far as I know none, but missing time, you know. You never know. I probably was.

was abducted. That's the most likely. I think in terms of probability. Do you remember that cut that I kept getting after? Yes. Did you ever figure it out? I don't want to say this on air. I'm going to sound psycho. You got to say it now. Did I tell you an alley? No. After Penelope was born, right? I kept getting this cut. It was a perfect circle. It was like weird. I kept getting it multiple times. We're watching X-Files. One can imagine where y'all's mind. Yeah. We're watching X-Files. And I kept thinking like, I don't remember getting this cut. Why do I keep getting it over and over and over again? And it left a scar for a really long time.

And I just kept thinking, is there missing time? Was I abducted? Did we ever figure it out? No, I still don't know what it was. It was weird. It was missing time and you were abducted. Missing something. Well, a lot of time.

So UFO story. Yeah. Yeah, let's see. Let's get it. So this was, I think October, you guys launched Honest Cosmos. March. Okay, that's what I was saying March. That October, we were out at my parents' house in their pasture and it was us, my parents, all of our kids. Gabe was there, wasn't he? I can't remember. He may have been visiting. Okay. Yeah. I think Gabe was there. It was before he lived here.

Yeah. And we were, it was, so you're facing the mountains, you're facing east. And it was cloudy and overcast. So it was like light where we were, but it was all dark. and gray over the mountains and we can see far to the like where the bases and then we can see all like up towards North Arctic and where you guys live. Um, and we were literally talking about UFOs, weren't we? We were sitting around the fire pit, but it was like three o'clock in the afternoon. It was not dark. No, it was not. No. You guys were making tacos. Yes. It was whatever your taco day is. Was it Friday? Every day. I know. That's what I was going to say. At that time of life, why do you think I'm on a cut now? Yeah, I know. They made tacos in this office every single day.

And we would eat up to six of them at each. And they were like fried on each side. For lunch. For lunch. After breakfast. And then we'd have a full dinner. And you also liked breakfast burrito taco type situations. Yeah.

Okay. I'm like the easy. Dude, I eat like a toddler. I'm the easiest guy to cook for it. For my birthday, Ali was like, I'm making you cassidias in fried fish tacos. And I was like,

this is the best day of my life. Do you want shaped Tino Nuggets? and catch up. And you were like, yes. Uncrustibles on the side. Uncrustibles. So, but it was light out. It wasn't dark.

It wasn't evening. But my dad was lighting the bonfire up. And so we were all just kind of standing around out there talking about UFOs. And we look up on the mountain side. And the thing that stands out to me the most about it is that it was smaller. I personally have never seen a UFO otherwise that I can think of. It was smaller than I would ever have imagined. But there were like 15 of them.

And it looked like against the gray clouds, it looked like a bunch of cursors, like somebody had a mouse on a computer, and they were just going back and forth. They'd go into the cloud, come out, they would stop, they'd go non-ballistic motion. Great, great word. They'd go different.

They were just kind of there. And we immediately, we were just like, what is going on? This is so weird. And I remember you didn't have your phone. I had my phone and I tried, somebody said, send a picture to Ben. until I get out my phone.

I'm like, these are so small. You couldn't do it. I can't even see it. This is going to be pointless. Tell the truth. You couldn't figure out how to operate on your phone. I didn't have enough juice, as you were going to say. The way Lexi deals with her phone is she determines how much, as she puts it, juice she needs for the next task that she's going to do.

And then she goes and uses somebody else's charger. I won't say whose because she doesn't have one of her own at this point. Moves it constantly, doesn't put it back and gets enough juice. for the next thing that she's going to do before losing it for the rest of the day. Let's see what do I have right now. 63. This is a lot of juice. This is a lot of juice, guys.

Oh, I have. Okay, anyway, so we are with the neighbors, though. Yeah, all the neighbors are out. This is the weird thing. This is where I'm like, what is this category? I don't know, because now I can understand as a Christian when I'm experiencing these things. But then we have like the neighbor from Mexico coming out. And we have the Mormons across the street coming out.

And we're all seeing it. We're all going out. We walked out. into the, um, the cul-de-sac. And so you said, just call Ben. So I called you and I was like, I don't even know. Look up. No, literally.

I think that's like, where are you? You told me that they were right over our house. They were. They kept going like back in front. So this is what was interesting about it. The neighbor next door said, I bet before this happened, he said, I bet they won't go any closer to the base. And he was right.

They kept stopping. South, but they would go all the way north to where you guys were. And I just kept thinking, who, lives up there that I could call and say, can you see this too? So I called you. And I couldn't. You couldn't.

You couldn't. I think you were driving. No, no, no. I was driving when you first called. And then I called back, I think,

when I got home. And it was still going on. Yeah. You were saying that you were still seeing it. It was a long time. And yeah, I couldn't see him. But the thing,

it was like, I live up on the bench. Yeah. So the cloud cover was much greater. where I was. And I wondered if that was maybe part of it, but I have no idea. And with the time of day,

so the mountains are in the east, the base is south, and then Ben is up north, and we're out west, West Haven. So we're miles away from the mountains, but still relatively close. But the way the sun is at that time of day, it's afternoon,

the sun is shining towards the mountains from the west. So it's lit up really well from our perspective. But from Ben's perspective, it's actually much as a pretty gray. We had seen airplanes go. This was like 45 minutes. So it happened twice.

It was about 45 minutes. It stopped. We went eight and we went back and they were still there. Yeah. So it was a long time, but we had seen birds go by, planes go by. So we had different things to look at it against.

And we're like, we just don't, we don't have what this is. It wasn't weather balloons. They don't go up down in at different. Because if those are moved by air, by wind, and these were going, multiple of them close together, completely different. And I will say, you've been to my parents' house.

If you see birds up on the mountains, these were way smaller than the birds. Like, I don't even know how our eyes saw these, to be honest. We also, they weren't like you might think, because it was technically unidentified aerial phenomenon. We don't know if it was a craft. Like, it was area. So you could have lights.

Sometimes you're like spotlights that will shine on clouds and they'll, you know, you see that. This was not that. because you could see it go into the cloud and out and it would change the light, you know, the light would be diffused through the cloud and then you'd see it coming back in and focus out.

It was going east into the mountain kind of area. The closest thing I've ever seen to this object were the objects that were captured on camera that flew into the Mesa at Skinwalk. Yeah, I was going to, so the one, I think that I told you this that day, the only time I've ever seen a UAP is during a month,

morning run at that same house. The big foot? No, no. No. That's a, that was a, that was a big foot. But I was on a morning run. Yeah, it could have been. Could have been.

Just like, no, it wasn't. Mom. You're a sweet, petite lady. I'm so sorry. You're not covered in hair. You're don't, you're not foul smelling. Yeah. But it was a morning run.

It was still really dark out. And I looked up and it was a really clear morning and I always like to try to find the constellation. So like Orion's really easy to see. And then what time of year was this? Oh man. I don't know. It wasn't it wasn't cold enough for me to be like, wow, I'm cold. Yeah. But every morning is chilly in the desert. So I was out as a clear morning and I saw this like really bright, really bright light. And I was like, well, it's a plane, but it didn't have the safety lights and it wasn't blinking. So I was like, well, maybe, I don't know, maybe it's not a plane.

Maybe it's the ISS, you know? But it was like bigger than the ISS normally is, if you believe in that kind of thing. And it was, which we do. Which we do, but not everyone else. Which is like a steady light, wasn't blinking, and it was white. And I was watching it for a while. And then it just like went away. And it went away right next to another star.

So it wasn't a cloud. And I just kept looking up waiting for it to come back and it never did. Were you probed? I don't think so. I didn't have any recurring circular cuts on my wrist either. But anyway, I was like, well, that was a UAP. I mean, I don't know. I don't know what it was.

Eyes on sky. Wait, what does this have to do a skin walker, though? Well, it was similar to the skinwalker thing that they caught. Remember when they shot all those lasers up? Yeah. In like season two or something. And they caught that one thing that like went into the area over the triangle and then just vanish. Okay.

And they called, what's the guy's name? Brandon Fugall. Fugel. Yeah. They called Brandon Fugel like down. And it was an emergency. And of course he's like, we just, we just discovered the mystery of Skinwalker. You know.

But it actually was pretty crazy. It was just like that. Well, the day that it happened, Ari commented on that. He was like, is Skinwalker that way over those mountains? Skinwalker is far south. Okay. It is, yeah, south. Okay.

You have to go past like flaming gorge. Okay. It is east, but it's way further south. Okay, okay. Okay. That makes sense. But anyway, it did make me think of that because I think that it already happened. And, well, yeah, it did because I told you about it. But I couldn't see him the whole time.

Couldn't see him. But hearing the story again now, it reminds me of that, again, in the high Middle Ages, when that whole city, have you seen the lithographs of like these people watched an aerial battle take place. They were like, what's that? In the high Middle Ages. And it was like these rods and crosses coming out of the sun and all different colors.

And then they like stayed there and they're just all fighting. And then there's like this massive black triangular thing that goes slowly across the sky casting a shadow down to everybody. And then once it like passes over the horizon, everything stops. But it went on for like over an hour.

Is this just written or? Yeah, yeah. It's written and then there's a lithograph of a drawing. that people did. And it was witnessed by hundreds of townspeak. Yeah. I did go on after that. I was,

I was like searching West Haven, Ogden. Did anybody see? What do UFO? If someone's reporting a UFO here, what does it look like? And I did not see anything similar to it at all. Yeah. It did now that I think about it,

it really was almost identical to the dot that went into the Mesa, Skinwalker. It was captured by the helicopter footage. And even again that day, I remember sitting there like, is this my life now, haunted cosmos?

And so I just see UFOs. all the time or UAPs, whatever you guys call them now. I'm a 90s kid. It's all right. I already came up to me afterwards and he was like, what did you just say? Never mind. Moving on. I would like to actually just everyone, you can look at the background on Lexington's phone.

No, what is it? If you can zoom in there. Did you take that picture or was that Charlie? Okay. Charles Necromacy. That's the next president of the United States. It went away. The people.

There you go. Yeah. Also, what right chapter? You get my calendar notification. See, we're kind of synced somehow on the calendar. She doesn't know how she doesn't know how to set up her own Apple ID. I was looking for the Evite. Ali sent me for the shower, a different shower.

And I saw a missed Google event from you on Teach Lexi to use her calendar. And it was like December 8th and I thought I didn't see that. Yeah, that was a joke. I know. I figured I was like here's the thing. Between the three of us, I am the most administratively gifted. And here's the thing. I am, I ride the short bus.

You have a separation. It's like Ben already has extra chromosomes when it comes to that. So we're like triple. So what does it say about? Yeah. We're triple. Like Ben was my administrative assistant for a long degree. I forgot about that.

Yeah. For like a good amount of time. Several years. Yep. Yeah. I found out one day I was like you can open. I told the elder team like I thought this was discovery. You can open Google.

calendar on your computer. Yeah. And they were like, yes. Yeah. It's on the internet. Yeah. And I was like, that's amazing.

Okay, but I got to say, I thought it was just an application. I want to go back to Ari's observation of the whole thing, which was really interesting to me. Who is our oldest son? He's our oldest. He came back to me and he said,

Mom, that was the most terrifying thing that's ever happened to me. All I could think to do was recite the Lord's Prayer. Really? Yes. Do you think that if we weren't scared, like, yeah, like, do you think that that's because we're numb to it? Do you think that that's because maybe he was overreacting?

I mean, it's all, by the way, like catechism, when that you recited the Lord's prayer? That's great. That's awesome. I don't know. It kind of reminded me of as a child, like, terror, like that was the theme for me when I experienced things was like terrified. I'm just terrified.

But he had the tools. He know what to do with it. I didn't. I just hid under my blanket and suffocated myself. Right. Which is a thing. which is a way. That is one thing.

But you know what I mean? Like he was a little more equipped to handle it than I would have been at that age. Yeah. And so it doesn't, I'm assuming it hasn't stuck with him. Because it's been years now. It's been like two years now since that happened. I mean,

he still knows it. He's not like terrified. Not like me as a kid. I couldn't even watch like tornado movies. Yeah. He's really funny. How many tornado movies are there? There's only like two.

There's twister. There's twisters. We haven't seen that one. There's Sharknato. I don't know. Yeah, that would be a sub-genre. There's like five Shark Nato's. For sure.

Yeah, anyway. There was one other, since 2000, I don't know if it's 2007, I have been haunted by Lexi's beauty. Oh my gosh. So I thought of a hilarious joke, by the way. That has haunted me. Like, I've been haunted by it. I thought of a hilarious joke. And it is a joke.

Okay. But when you said, one of your stories, said I was probably 12 or 13 at the time. I was like, oh, so about a year out from marriage. Okay, that is like... She was 19. I know. I'm trying to think...

Can a guy get a little motion? I... Yeah, I did. I did. 15 or 16 when it happened when you were around, though. Like when he was house sitting? Yeah, I think that was 15 or 16. Yeah, I'd forgotten about that.

That's crazy. Yeah. Man. Classic. Okay. A house sitting story? I was... That was one of them.

One other house sitting store. I was out in Marriott Slaterville, which is kind of rural. It's in Utah, but 20 minutes outside from where we are. And I was house sitting for this older couple

they were out of town. Big, big house, like McMansion. Lots and lots of rooms. Big, big yard. Big, big table. You know, lots and lots of food. Can play football.

I'm probably, we weren't married. I was probably 18 though. Yeah, I think, were you in high school? So about a year out. Yeah. Literally.

Close. And it was pitch black, maybe 11 at night. I was getting ready to go to bed. And all of a sudden, I'm like walking around to close up the house. And a terrifying just something

crashes into the back glass door. Oh, dude. Just boom. And it's like up against it looking at me. Oh my gosh. And it was a possum. Oh. It was a flipping possum.

I'm pretty sure. Something you don't see a lot. Could you see its eyes? Yes. Oh, it was on. two legs. Weird. It's haunched up against the glass.

Looking at me. And I'm like from me to ban away from the glass when it chooses to do this. I would have fallen. I almost. I wonder, that's so weird. Defecated my,

like I was, it was one of the most scared moments of my whole life. And in a split second, your brain process knows exactly you're not going to die. But the, but that's,

that section between the event and my brain processing that. And then your heart is like, I'm going to have a heart attack. I don't think I slept that night. Oh, man. It was awfully terrifying. So clearly is supernatural. You guys haven't had any weird stuff happen since Onic Cosmos, right?

No, not since Sonic Cosmos. Apart from seeing a UFO. I mean, that was pretty crazy. Yeah. Morning. Yeah. Hey. Hey, what's up?

You have an appointment. Look, I'll leave, which is what Brian and Lexi have wanted me to do this whole time. And, but scariest thing that's happened to me since Sonny Cosmos was like a few weeks ago. I got up, I had to go pee in the middle of the night. And I get up, I'm walking out there. I'm like, ugh. And I like, my foot hits something.

I looked down in my two-year-old is just staring up. Oh my gosh. And I screamed. I would too. And I was like, what are you doing here? Because your foot hits something like, flesh. And he said, and you know Ambrose. He said, hey, guess what?

Um, I, you know, my tummy doesn't feel good or something like that. And I was like, go to bet. We had something creepy like that happen. I thought it was creepy. Daphne. I told Allie this. She's been sleepwalking. And night terrors.

It's kind of like almost a combo. But she got Penelope out of bed. Yes. No. She carried her upstairs. And she made a graveyard in her dollhouse. Lexi. I know.

This is. Dude, I put stuff in front of the stairs. So she couldn't get down there again without me knowing. She'll come into the room. She'll be sleepwalking and she'll be like, I just, I don't, oh man, that's so creepy.

I don't know. It is so weird. And I'm like, are you asleep? And she's like, I don't know. And then I like, coax her back in her bed, tuck her in.

And she'll be tucked in. And then she'll just go, oh, and she just start crying, scream crying. And I'm like, you're okay. I know she's asleep.

Yeah. But it is the creepiest thing. Unnerving. All right. Multiple of our kids do sleepwalk. Like I slept walk a lot as a kid. We're going to do a lot. We're going to do a lot.

Honocosmos first here. I am going to leave. Yeah. Ben has an appointment. And I'm going to leave, I'm going to leave my two pals right here to wrap things up. You know, keep a PG. It's what we've wanted. And it's what we've wanted. Lexi, thank you for coming on. Thank you for having me. I'm sorry that I, I'm sorry that I have to run. It's all my fact. Ben, that's all right. You, you, you, and don't worry, we'll be fine. That's good. Remember Evans here? No, no, no, we'll be fine. We'll be fine. Cut the feed. Can we cut the sound? Can we cut the sound? audio, just like kind of all that. No, babe, it's been, man,

so good to haunt the cosmos with you. Yeah, yeah. That's great. I actually am physically incapable of continuing to do the show just like this without really doing things I regret. Okay. So I'm gonna, let's just cordially.

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