Haunted Cosmos - Missionary Explains Real Demon Exorcism Experience!

Episode Date: February 25, 2026

In this episode of the Graveyard Shift, we speak with a seminary student who witnessed a terrifying exorcism in Nepal! Listen to hear about the victory of Christ over all forces of darkness.Love Haunt...ed Cosmos? Get access to our exclusive show, The Dusty Tome, early ad-free access to main episodes and monthly AMA's with our co-host, Ben Garrett, by becoming a patron of the show: https://www.patreon.com/c/HauntedCosmosIndigo Sundries Soap Company - Go to http://indigosundriessoap.com and use code HAUNTEDCOSMOS for 10% off your whole order!New Dominion Design Co. Visit their website here and learn more! http://newdominiondesignco.com/Rose Solutions provides custom website design, website hosting, and website security. Visit Cosmoswebsites.com Buy the Haunted Cosmos book: https://www.newchristendompress.com/cosmos PS: It's also available as an audiobook!Join us at the New Christendom Press conference, The War for Normal, this June 11-14 in Ogden, Utah. https://thewarfornormal.com/Support the show

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Starting point is 00:00:00 This episode is brought to you by Indigo Sundry Soap Company. Clean soap, cleaner body. The pastor tells us that he was really glad that we were here because there were many women at the church that were demon possessed. Yeah, like K-pop demon hunters, but not K-pop. And also guys. And also Baptist missionaries. As she gets closer to the church, she becomes more and more resistant. Seven or eight of us holding down this very small.
Starting point is 00:00:30 Nepalese woman. All these Nepalese women are just possessed by demons. Hey everybody, welcome to this episode of the graveyard shift. I am Ben Garrett, your host, and I'm joined as always by my good friend and co-host Brian Sovang. Ben, thank you for that introduction. I feel like I almost
Starting point is 00:00:54 didn't deserve it. It was so warm. You look incredible today. I just want I don't care what anyone else says, I like you. I needed that. We are also joined by Evan essence and Martina McBride. And there's actually a mic that they get to share between the two of them. Martin, say hello.
Starting point is 00:01:12 Hello, everyone. He's meant to say, hello. Okay. And we are joined, and this is exciting. This is why the graveyard shift is so fun. We are joined by our friend and listener, supporter of the show, J.J. Bro. J.J., say hello to everybody. Hello, everyone.
Starting point is 00:01:29 Awesome. J.J., why don't you tell the listeners a little bit about yourself, and then I'm going to have an icebreaker question for you after you give a little bio? Yeah, so I guess I can start out with. I am a student right now at Puritan Reform Theological Seminary, about to graduate over there with my master's degree by the time. This recording is out. I'm sure I will have finished my thesis and the light's going to be at the end of the tunnel for me there. I'm also a pastoral intern in the PCA. Nice. Congratulations. Yeah. Yeah, that's awesome. A lot of work.
Starting point is 00:02:06 pray the Lord blesses you in that very good work. Now, to the real stuff. Wow. Like you personally, your achievements mean nothing to Ben. No. It's all about taking risk.
Starting point is 00:02:20 Comedy's all about taking it. All right, JJ, in no particular order, I want you to rank your top three dessert style cereals, like sugary cereals. It doesn't have to, in no particular order. This is a great question, actually.
Starting point is 00:02:34 I think it's the most, important question I'm going to be asked in this interview. 100. Exactly. Easily. Yeah. So I think I would rank it in no particular order. First, cinnamon toast crunch.
Starting point is 00:02:46 Oh, wow. Second, reesuce puffs. Oh, man. A connoisseur. You lost me. A connoisseur. And then third, if I'm feeling bougie, some special K. Special K.
Starting point is 00:02:59 Special K doesn't count. That meant I meant to say, special K doesn't count. No, because it's special K. It counts. That's like saying like what's the whole like the perfect for or whatever. Dude, but like what about Oreo the Oreo O's cereal? Oreos? I don't know what it's called.
Starting point is 00:03:18 Hey, JJ, you reeled me in like hook line and sinker starting it out with cinnamon toast crunch. Yeah. What a banger. I now know everything I need to know about JJ. I have lost. I have never had Reese's puffs. Okay? What?
Starting point is 00:03:31 So I don't know. And you're just dumping all. over. No, I'm just saying you lost me because I've never had it. Okay. And then special K, uh, yeah, I, I don't know. I don't know. It is kind of like saying, um, I like grape nuts. You know what I mean? I've never had special K cereal though. So I can't talk. Um, well, hey, how about this? Let's get into like what people actually came here. That's right. The ice is broken. Let's go. The ice is broken. We're all friends. We're all like, we go way back at this point now. And actually I have met JJ multiple times at right response and, and, and, and, and, you know,
Starting point is 00:04:05 other companies. Oh, okay, well then, yeah. So JJ, we're really, really grateful that you took time out of your day to be here, and we would love to hear the spooky story that you have prepared for us. Why is it that most soaps and cleaning products ironically don't contain clean ingredients? Indigo Sundry's soap company is helping families stay clean and healthy by starting with the most important step in cleanliness. Soap. Their cold-pressed soap bars, including clay bars and tallobars, are made from all natural ingredients that don't have. any harmful chemicals and they smell great. Visit indigosundry soap.com and order today. And hey, subscribe for regular shipments and get 10% off every time. For too long, pagans have held claim over the art and design world. It's time we as Christians realize what time it is and fight to take back the good, true, and beautiful of God's created order. That's the fight Jenkins is waging at New Dominion Design Co. He arms Christian entrepreneurs, ministries, churches, and culture makers with brands forged and timeless
Starting point is 00:05:09 iconography, not fleeting trends. Every brand built is made to endure for generations. See what he's built for others and book your free brand consultation at new dominion design code.com. Mention Hanad Cosmos and you'll receive 10% off. Yeah, so my story is going to begin in Nepal. Now, for anyone who doesn't know, Nepal is a small country. It's sandwiched between China on the north and India on the south. It also sits on top of the tallest mountain. range in the world, the Himalayas. And the reason why I find all that interesting is because that in the Bible, worship, whether it's true worship or false worship, it almost always centers around these high places or mountains. And so with Nepal being entirely in the Himalayas,
Starting point is 00:06:01 you can see the entire country as a high place of sorts. In the Bible, we have like Mount Sinai's Mount Zion, even the Garden of Eden, probably located on top of a mountain. And in the Old Testament, Israel, all the false worship was in these high places. So with all that in mind, it seems to be that high places are a place where the spiritual and the physical world, in some sense, they can kind of bleed into one another. So all this becomes relevant for Nepal, especially when you consider that it has a really long and storied history in false worship. Not only has it historically been Hindu, so that would be worshipping thousands of false gods, but it's also the birthplace of the Buddha, from whom Buddhism gets its name. And then even today, this false worship continues,
Starting point is 00:07:08 where really only 2% of the population. And that's basically at max is Christian. Is that a mixture of different Christian traditions, like Eastern and Western mix? Yeah, yeah, Eastern, Western. I'm sure Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormons, I think those are included in the Christian count. Wow.
Starting point is 00:07:30 So even that 2% is like that's... Is it a high number. Yeah, generous, yeah. No offense. Well, actually, offense intended. Offense to some of them. Yeah. And everywhere you go, really, there is kind of this air of spiritual battle that's there.
Starting point is 00:07:49 In Hinduism and Buddhism, there's nothing really that's mundane. Everything is spiritual. Everything is divine in some way. And so every aspect of the culture kind of takes place in a real spiritual level for them. So, for example, even when they greet each other, they say namaste, which is a way of essentially acknowledging that the other person that they're speaking to is divine in some way. Wow, I didn't know that. I've read E, pray, love, so I do know that. I didn't know that about namaste.
Starting point is 00:08:24 Which is a huge L for me, by the way, that I've read that book. Oh, you were being serious? I'm 100% being. seriously. It was long ago. One of my biggest mistakes. Interesting. Yeah. So if you go to Nepal as a Christian, then all the Hindus and Buddhists, they're going
Starting point is 00:08:39 to greet you with namaste. But the Christians won't greet you with that. They'll actually say, Je Macy, which means, I think you're going to love this. It means victory to the Messiah. They just say that as a greeting. We start saying, hey, hello, person I've never met. Victory to Jesus Christ. It's like that.
Starting point is 00:08:58 It's like the guy that's like the guy that's. like instead of saying Merry Christmas, I like to say, may the birth of the one true Christ bless you this season. Because I don't want to offend anybody. So, you know, there's happy holidays and then there's that. Yeah, yeah. Okay, so you found yourself in Nepal. Was that for like a mission trip?
Starting point is 00:09:16 Yeah, yeah. This is my summer between high school and college. Okay, all right. So, yeah, I mean, stage is set. What, like, and I'm assuming you probably experienced multiple things being in an environment like that. But, yeah, walk us through it. Yeah, so, as you can imagine, you know, Christian missionaries, they describe different aspects of spiritual warfare all the time. Yeah, I've heard multiple stories that basically sound like sleep paralysis demons or things of that nature.
Starting point is 00:09:49 Everyone kind of recognizes that there's something spiritual that's going on. Not everyone knows the best way to describe it. sometimes it will just hear people generally say there's some kind of heaviness that's there or a darkness or something along those lines. And so I would say that really, you know, I'm not exactly the type of person that would, I guess, express things in those ways. I come from a theological tradition that it's not really as open to spiritual, supernatural, you know, spiritual dynamics and those things in the way that, you know, some traditions might see that. And by the way, I don't say that to, like, exclude anyone who's charismatic or anything,
Starting point is 00:10:40 but I say that to maybe include the people that are more like me who would be, who would tend to be more skeptical because that. That's really where I was entering the country. But with that said, there was one time where I definitely felt something that, you know, I could only describe as a heaviness. And that's when I was in the capital city, in Capit, in Capit, and I had gone up. And population density-wise, it's, I mean, probably not quite as bad as, like, New Delhi. But, yeah, I think if you picture that, you kind of get an idea. So I went to, on top of the hostel that we were saying at, I went to the roof where they had this nice garden that was up there.
Starting point is 00:11:33 And it was surrounded by all these, all the screenery, all these trellises. And so it was a really nice place. It seemed to be, you know, the perfect place to pray. The only place where I really felt like I was lone at any point in time there. And so I went and I sat down on a bench to pray, but despite everything I just told you, I didn't feel alone. And I kind of felt like something was staring at me. And when I looked up, I saw, oh, I was being stared at by a demon. Now, when I say a demon, I meet a mask of an idol on the wall that was staring down at me.
Starting point is 00:12:15 So in a very real sense, a demon was staring at me. Now, I saw this idol and I just kind of rationalized in my head. This is following Isaiah. This is something it's made of wood. It has eyes, but it sees not all those things. So I'm thinking to myself, like, I can just kind of, you know, put this aside, not really care about this whatsoever and, you know, continue on. But as I continued, just sitting on the bench and trying to go through my prayer time,
Starting point is 00:12:50 I just couldn't shake the feeling that this thing was so glaring at me through its just wooden dead eyes. So eventually I just retreated from that rooftop. I never really went back there for the purpose of praying or anything like that. Dang. So it's like a tribal mask that's looking down at you. Yeah, I remember it. Sorry, I remember maybe it was like the face was red and it had like this scowl on it and, you know, horns and fangs and things and all those things. Did you ever find out what it was supposed to represent? Like was there a particular deity or anything that it was supposed to be? No, I didn't go asking around about it. Didn't go interviewing people about that.
Starting point is 00:13:45 But you know, you would see tons of different idol masks out there. And I mean, Hinduism has thousands of gods. I wasn't really that interested in finding out like the specifics of each one. I didn't recognize it. It didn't look like Shiva. It didn't look like one of the other big three gods. I can't remember their names right now. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:14:06 And it was. But it was. one. But it was like you had been up there before and you knew that that, did you know before that that mask was there or was that like a new, like a new siding for you? Yeah, it was a new siding for me. Yeah. So just looking for somewhere around the hostel for somewhere to go and be in private. Yeah, I found, I found the rooftop. But you're a guy who's going up there with these kind of, like you said, this, this Christian tradition that's very much not bent towards the charismatic, not bent towards, you know, trying to sense the spiritual forces that may be around you.
Starting point is 00:14:49 And you were already in prayer. I'm assuming eyes closed just because that's what that's what I would assume. And there, and you couldn't escape this, this like heaviness in the sense of being looked on and watched in this kind of private setting. And so it was enough to make you, you know, a nice buttoned-up Presbyterian, um, leave entirely. Yeah. Yeah. And now it wasn't a Presbyterian at this time, but, uh, but yeah.
Starting point is 00:15:19 Gotcha. What were you? Baptist. Oh, and then he saw the light. We can I tell them. Man, that's wild. How long were you in Nepal overall? So I was there for two months.
Starting point is 00:15:33 And, um, really the story that I think y'all are going to want to, get into is one that I experienced my second month in Nepal. And this was in the valley of Chituan. So I imagine the elevation was still very high, but compared to all the mountains around us, it was the valley. You know, I'm from Louisiana, and I would say that Chituan reminded me way too much of home with the heat, the humidity, the rice fields, like all of that, except without air conditioning, without transportation, just having to walk everywhere.
Starting point is 00:16:12 That's a nightmare scenario. Yeah, we would sometimes like pile up into this, those little tuck tucks or scooter things. But, you know, those were only occasionally available for us. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I was on a mission trip in Cambodia and there were those little carts everywhere. and the craziest thing was that they actually, like, there were no rules in Cambodia.
Starting point is 00:16:36 So they just rented me a moped. I was like 16 or 17. They were like, oh, yeah, here you go. Eight cents or something like that. No insurance. And I'm just like, like, should have died. I can identify. We wrote a bus to this one village in the mountains, and it was a school bus.
Starting point is 00:16:55 And they were taking us to the village while also picking up kids for school. And the kids would climb up. on top of the roof of the bus as we were driving around. Why not? There's no rules. As a kid, though, that's the dream. Yeah, that is the dream. America actually could use a little bit more.
Starting point is 00:17:12 Yeah, yeah, yeah. So you're in this valley and it's stifling heat. And what happens? Yeah, so we, the church that we were at, it was, I would say, a very spiritually unhealthy church, even from, from never matter what perspective you look at, there was a there were two leaders at the church who one of them had the spiritual gift of healing and the other one had a spiritual gift of prophesying and at the end of every church service people would kind of line up to the people that would need healing and the people that need you know prophesying and these two guys kind of had this feud with one another and over who could get kind of the most amassed the biggest following for themselves and all this stuff, it was resolved by the time that we got there. But it was definitely, I think, just an illustration that the church wasn't really in a good space. The pastor tells us that he was
Starting point is 00:18:15 really glad that we were here because there were many women at the church that were demon-possessed. And he wanted us to go over to their houses. All in all, I think there's about seven or so. women at this church that, and it was all women for some reason, but these women at this church where we were sent to their houses for the purpose of praying for these demons, trying to cast them out, those things. And so, again, in the heat and just going on foot, we kind of walked all over town most days just trying to cast out supposed to demons. It's like really the ideal situation.
Starting point is 00:19:00 It's like, yeah, like K-pop demon-hunters, but not K-pop and also guys and also Baptist missionaries. Like in a very real sense, not like K-pop demon hunters. Just the demon hunters part. So I love this too. They're like, we're going to go on a mission trip. What kind of training do you guys have? Like, you know, we're just, we're normal kind of Baptist Christian.
Starting point is 00:19:24 going on a mission trip, and they're like, great. And the pastor goes, great, we need you to cast all the demons out. And you're like, I thought, is that not your thing? You're the guy with the healing thing. I didn't know that you needed, like, was there a course I was supposed to take? Did you think, like, were any of them legit? Or do you look back and be like, wow, no, that was actually something was up there? Yeah, so the reason why I say supposed, so many of them, I did.
Starting point is 00:19:54 not feel like. There's one that I was pretty sure it was just some kind of like physical and mental handicap that was going on. So some kind of disability there. And yeah, there's others who like we would go and we would pray for them and they would just kind of sit there and maybe like rock back and forth dramatically. And then we would go around their house and we would see like we would. We would find that they still had all these idols around their houses. And so we would come back and say, you know, if you are having these spiritual issues, it's probably the fact that you still have these demons in your house. You should probably get rid of them. And so we would just kind of leave with those words. But I do have, there was one woman at the very end who I'm convinced
Starting point is 00:20:50 if anyone was demon possessed, I fully believe that she was. was. And yeah, I can get into that situation. Yeah, absolutely. At Honocosmos, we know that a lot of our listeners are business owners and entrepreneurs that are working to advance Christendom. One of those listeners is Nathan Rose with Rose Solutions. He provides website design, maintenance, and security. His mission is to promote the business of Christendom by building websites for like-minded entrepreneurs. If you or someone you know is looking for help with your website, get a consultation with Nathan by visiting cosmos websites.com. Tell him you're a listener of Hanna Cosmos to learn how you could get your first six
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Starting point is 00:22:13 engaged. He has this arranged marriage where he's engaged to this one woman. But as he grows up, he falls in love with a different woman. And he breaks off his arranged marriage and he marries the second woman. Well, the father of the first woman was very upset about this, so upset that he goes and he hires a witch doctor to curse the woman, the second woman, and curse the marriage. And And, you know, I just personally think that the demons were all too eager.
Starting point is 00:22:59 They probably didn't need much asking when you say, hey, I want you to go over and destroy this marriage for me. They're like, okay, sure. So this woman, shortly after they get married, the woman just randomly erupts into violence. And I know, you know, you can have, you can chalk that up to a lot of things. You can chalk that up to, you know, the woman, just being abusive, something of that nature, except the thing that leads me into thinking, no, this is definitely something that's supernatural or something that's more than natural is the fact that she would do this completely unprovoked. She would wake up in the middle of the night and just start wailing on her husband. So it's not like in the heat of an argument, anything like that. It's just, you know, it's 2 a.m., 3 a.m. whatever time.
Starting point is 00:24:00 It's the middle of night. She suddenly wakes up and just starts attacking him. So they, the couple, they both wanted to, they both wanted to resolve this. And so they, they weren't Christians. Again, this is only 2% Christian country. They're in a very remote village. So it's, I imagine, even less Christian in those areas. And so they tried everything that they could.
Starting point is 00:24:35 They went to a witch doctor. They went to different religious leaders. And then basically, after they had exhausted all their options, they finally decided to go and try the Christian church and see if the Christians could do something about this. And so they come over to the church. And as they're getting closer, the woman, originally she was kind of on board with this, but as she gets closer to the church, she becomes more and more resistant. and just felt like she could not walk in to the point where by the time they were about to the doors,
Starting point is 00:25:25 the husband had to pretty much drag her into the church. And then once she gets into the church, she collapses on the floor and lets out a scream. Now, I'm in the church at this time. we were living, sleeping in the church. I had just gone back from like another failed attempt at a supposed exorcism. I am, I'm sitting in my room and I'm laying down on a sleeping bag, covered in sweats, and I'm resting my eyes, and then I suddenly hear a scream from a woman coming down the corridor. and I just I just sighed and I rolled my eyes because my thoughts oh great it's another one
Starting point is 00:26:22 it's like women am I right all these Nepalese women are just possessed by demons so I with zero enthusiasm I get up and I walk down the quarter just out of obligation more than anything else. And I see the woman, she's on some kind of couch futon thing, and she's convulsing and everyone is holding her down. And I get recruited to help hold her down. And so, as you can imagine, there's like seven or eight of us holding down this very small Nepalese woman.
Starting point is 00:27:09 And all I'm doing is I'm holding down like her right calf. And I am struggling to do so with all the strength that she has behind her in just convulsing wildly. Now that's crazy. We continued to, we, we all just sat and we prayed for her. there was like I said lots of convulsing lots of screaming people were getting in her face praying at one point there's our cook on the team his name was commander Beebe he's that his Christian name
Starting point is 00:27:55 I'm not sure oh Mr. Bebe that was probably a name that he let us call him so that we didn't have to mispronounce his name. But he was Commander Beebe because he was a veteran from, I think, the Army. And he's up in her face screaming and he's like waving his like his hand and his fist in front of her. Very, it was something. It was something. And we would pray.
Starting point is 00:28:33 And then every now and then she would let out a scream and just tire out. And then people would come and we would bring her food, which I thought was a bad idea. Because I'm just like, why are we feeding it? You know, I feel like we should be. Yeah, yeah, like let's starve it out. Starve it out. Yeah. I like your strategy.
Starting point is 00:28:58 Yeah. But anyways, we would generously feed her. and then after a while she would recover and then go into another one of the fits. How long does this last? A few hours. Wow. Did it, like, was there a conclusion? Like, did she ever stop and was there any fruit that made it appear there was a change?
Starting point is 00:29:23 Yeah, so finally, again, after a few hours, she let out another scream, but this scream kind of melted into a sigh or a gasp. And she just, she calmed down before. And people who experience a demon possession or, I would say, maybe suspected demon possession. One thing that they talk about is the eyes. And some people, again, they'll describe it in different ways, something about the eyes. the way that I would describe it best would to just be to say they seem kind of animalistic. You know, it's a person that, like, it's a rational, reasonable person who, you know, is able to, you know, date this man and, you know, get married to them.
Starting point is 00:30:19 But when it's like they go into these fits, you know, there's, there doesn't seem to be any of that rationality there exactly. And, yeah, animalistic, I think would be the best way to describe it. Well, all that went away. She was, she came back to her right mind. We were able to have dinner with her after this. And I ended up being the one sitting right across the table from her. Felt a little uneasy about that. But she talked with us and talked through.
Starting point is 00:31:00 translator for us. And that's how I was able to hear about all this backstory. And we were able to share the gospel with her. And she converted to Christianity, her and her husband. Wow. And yeah, that's go. Praise God. Did she stop beating her husband at 2 a.m. and you know, I wish that. Yeah, yeah, I wish I could follow up. And in fact, I tried to when we had this, this arranged. But then I just realized as I try to follow up with people, you know, I don't remember the name of the church. Yeah. It reminds me of the, you know, Dr. Walter Martin. He wrote the Kingdom of the Colts book. And he's a Protestant guy. Comes from a similar tradition. And the exorcism that he talks about is similar to that, especially the strength, where it's like
Starting point is 00:31:55 the small woman. And it's taking six full. grown guys to to control this woman to the point where it's she's not and the thing is it's not like she was running away. It's like she was beating them and she was succeeding in that if they let her get out. And then, you know, similar thing. They're praying over and praying over and just calling upon the name of the Lord. And finally it just stopped. And he, you know, it was all in America. So it was a little bit easier for him to follow up. But he did. And it was like a total change. Like she had been in the church for years. She was not a Christian. And she got into, you know, some some witchcraft, some woo-woo stuff, went down that road. And then she herself is like, no, like it was,
Starting point is 00:32:42 you read the scriptures and the demonic possession accounts. And she's like, that's what it was. And it's crazy to hear it from both him and her. Yeah. So, wow, I mean, that's, JJ, that's a crazy story, man. Yeah. You know, I experienced, uh, maybe, be one other story that was where, again, I think this person actually was demon possessed. That one doesn't actually have like any kind of exorcism story tied to it. It was in my mission trip the previous year to Uganda. But, you know, I saw that it was kind of the same thing that you saw in the eyes going on there. But yeah, it's taking me a while, I think, to kind of think through it.
Starting point is 00:33:26 and I guess kind of wrestle with whatever theological aspects are going on with all of this. Yeah, yeah. Well, man, praise God that the Lord used you and used you in your team to hopefully really, really help that woman in that family. And it's amazing that she repented and placed her faith in the Lord. Yeah, I think your suspicion seems correct that the demons, and I mean, when you, you have a place like Nepal with, you know, centuries of demon worship. And then this story of the bitter father, he's like, I got to hurt this guy. Let's go to the witch doctor. Let's sick a demon on him. And it works. Yeah. And people, I think in a lot of, you know, maybe even
Starting point is 00:34:16 our reformed worlds or we tend towards suspicion of any story like this. And I think it's, it's okay to be suspicious like you are of many of the people who maybe it was something else going on. But I do think we need to keep an openness and say, well, but this is exactly the kind of thing we should expect. Yeah. Based on when we read the scriptures, what we see there, even things like the supernatural strength, where the chains couldn't bind the man who was filled with demons until the Lord cast them out. I mean, this is straightforwardly biblical stuff. How the sons of Skiva were overcome by a single demon-possessed man. It even reminds me of, you know, that show River Monsters. Have you ever seen that with Jeremy Wade?
Starting point is 00:34:57 Dude, it's a great show, first of all. Extreme angler. He goes to like a remote place in the world and he's like, oh, I'm going to go and catch this fish and it's some crazy, rare, giant toothy fish. And there's one where he goes to this river. I can't even remember what region of the world is. And he fishes for
Starting point is 00:35:13 weeks. And it's a television show. So like if they don't catch a fish, they just wasted tens of thousands of dollars in production crew and all this travel stuff. And so he literally went to a local witch doctor and he was like, can you get me the fish?
Starting point is 00:35:29 And this old witch doctor's like, oh yeah, I can get you the fish, you know, through translators. They do all this ceremony. Jeremy Wade's not a Christian. He's like an atheist probably. He's just like, well, it was for the show. You could tell that he was doing it. They do the whole thing in all these bones
Starting point is 00:35:43 and rites and crackling fire and weird native language sounds and stuff. And then the flipping next day he goes out and he catches the fish. And the wish doctor's like, see, I told you I could get you that fish. It's the unholy quid pro quo. Yeah, and I'm just like, Jeremy, first of all, was it worth it? Yeah, I'll give you this fish.
Starting point is 00:36:06 You give me your soul. Yeah. But we look at that stuff and go, oh, it's just for TV. Oh, it's just, you know, people faking it or whatever. But, hey, this stuff is actually real. There are demons out there that are trying to steal, kill, and destroy. And, yeah, they would love to destroy a marriage. Oh, you want to hurt someone who bears the image of God?
Starting point is 00:36:25 Absolutely, I'm on board with that. Yeah. So it's just, that's a crazy story. I appreciate you taking the time to come on and tell it to us. Yeah, JJ, thanks a lot for your time. We really appreciate it. All right. Thank you.
Starting point is 00:36:38 Yes, sir. We're going to be signing off for this episode of the Graveyard Shift. Like I just said, very grateful to our guest, JJ. Y'all be praying for him as he seeks to finish seminary. And we look forward to seeing you in the next episode. This has been Garrett signing off. Want more Haunted Cosmos? Then make your way over to Patreon,
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