Head-ON With Robyn Roxanne Kincaid - Head-ON With Roxanne Kincaid, 17 September 2026, Thorn-In-the-Side Thursday

Episode Date: September 18, 2026

TRIGGER WARNING: Really, really troubling theory incoming . . .  Important: Meet Terri Osborne, Candidate for Alabama House District 96, down on the Gulf. She's running in the belly of the MAGA Beast and deserves your support. Go to ActBlue and search "Terri Osborne." She's worth the fight and worth your time! Then there's the coming AI Apocalypse. 

The password is beast. It's showtime. Here we go, live from behind the corn phone curtain. It's head-on with Roxanne Kincaid. Three hours of cussin and discussing with America's only liberal transvility elitist right here, right now, on the head-on radio network. Brought to you in part by Cole River Mountain Watch, who invites you to be part of the upright.

against mountaintop removal, CRMW.net. And now, from high in the hills of West by God, Virginia, here she is. Roxanne Kincaid. Well, howdy. Here we go, off and running on the 17th day of September, 2006. This is the horn. Head on. Dot Live is where you'll find us on the interweb tubes. That's where you go.

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Hi, I'm Roxanne. And it is Thorninicide Thursday. we'll jump into things right quick but every program here at the horn begins with gratitude and this program is no different so thanks go out to our 17th day of the month subscribers via PayPal and that means thank you to too much hutch thank you so much thanks for being our loan subscriber for this 17th day of the month and where are we?

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so if you'd care to hit the PayPal button it would be really really helpful coming up here in the second hour of the program a candidate for office will be joining us at the top of the hour-ish a candidate for office a progressive in the belly of the maggot beast running for running for a state legislature lady of office. So, stick around for that. I think we'll have a great conversation. But where to begin?

Well, how about with the password? And this is going to be a little complicated. And some of you may think that it's a bit Alex Jones. But I promise you that it's not my intent. The password, of course, was Beast. and just as an aside to sort of get it started, bear in mind that, well, we all know that I'm kind of culturally illiterate, that I don't fully understand the world in which I find myself living, that we find ourselves living,

and, you know, that's not to say that I'm out there in the yard yelling at clouds or wearing onions hanging off my belt or anything, but let me just put it this way. Now, everywhere I look, I see products, mostly junk food and things like that, branded with the name of Mr. Beast. That name may prove to be unfortunate. I don't know anything about the guy but I guess he became popular

with kids, young people I mean really young people because he would do he started out on the interweb tubes doing silly things and giving money away to being

a philanthropist of sort. I think he's out of North Carolina, Mr. Beast, and had this sort of cast of characters around him. And then he expanded into the commercial world, so that I mean, I'm not kidding, I was walking

through Lowe's the other day, unpaid product placement. When I saw some sort of Mr. Beast branded candy, a few months ago, I read an article about how he trying to get into fast food joints.

And apparently that didn't go quite as planned, and there's some litigation going on that's proven to be problematic. But this is not in any way, in no way, shape, form, or fashion, is this about Mr. Beast? It is, in fact, about Mr. Beastiality, which is to say Trash Patel and his

trashing of the federal beastiality institution and I'm sorry to keep coming back to this topic I came back to it yesterday Ralph's having agreed with me that she thought it weird when

when Trash Patel said, well, we don't, we don't talk about the histories of our K-9 FBI partners. Really? Because, yeah, no, that was really weird. And by the way, to get us started, Ralph says a $25 challenge on the table, if someone could please be so kind as to match it. This is the Andrew Mountbatten, Windsor challenge. The story that Ralphs provided me from ABC News is hilarious.

It goes back to when Andrew, formerly Prince Andrew, brother of Prince of King Chuck, was arrested. But the way the thumbnail works out, oh, Ralphs, did you notice this? It's the photo that was taken of Andrew, the, Andrew the pedophile, after his arrest on charges of sexual misconduct, in the back of the patty wagon, with his eyes wide open, you know, the flash of the camera turned his pupils red, so he looks kind of demonic, because he is. But the best part is that the ABC News report about him, well, the thumbnail that was generated, the black circle with the white right-facing triangle, the play button is actually over his mouth.

And it looks like a ball gag. Yeah. But Andrew the pedophile, that's how we should refer to him going forward. he was arrested this morning on suspicion of misconduct in public office he hasn't been charged yet the Tens Valley Police said

that they had arrested a man in his 60s from Norfolk on suspicion of misconduct in public office and carrying out searches that addresses in Berkshire and Norfolk we will not be naming the arrested man as per national guidance according to the statement date issued

searches are still ongoing in Berkshire the searches in Norfolk have been finished Yeah. And I guess whatever it was that Andrew

the pedophile allegedly got up to he got up to because well today is his 60th birthday, yes. King Chuckles said I have learnt with the deepest concern

the news about Andrew Mountbatten, Windsor and suspicion of misconduct in public office. Curiously absent there is the modifying phrase, My brother, King Chuckles, added, what now follows is the full, fair,

and proper process by which this issue is investigated in the appropriate manner and by the appropriate authorities. In this, as I have said before, they have our full and full and whole-hearted support and cooperation. Let me state clearly. The law must take its course.

As this process continues, it would not be right for me to comment further on this matter. Meanwhile, my family and I will continue in our duty and service to you all. Hmm, else. You know, I say go all Richard III and let him starve to death in the Tower of London, but that's just the Shakespeare in me. uh they uh well uh uh prince willie and uh his wife issued a statement supporting daddy yeah we're fully in support of dathem's whew whereas nitwit nero then said uh i think it's a shame

i think it's very sad and i think it's bad for the royal family it's very very sad and i hope the fuck he doesn't Name names, especially not mine. I added that last part. Yeah. So there's a $25, uh, Andrew the pedophile temporarily in the clinky challenge, courtesy of Ralps.

If someone would just meet that and then, uh, that way we're not a goose egg and, thank you, Ralph's. And, and please excuse my terror, my terrible,

terrible, terrible. British royal family, accent and impression, ill. Oh. But there is, after all, some good news, because should... I mentioned the Tower of London. Well, if convicted, misconduct in public office carries a... maximum sentence, you say, of life imprisonment.

So there may be some Richard the third action going on after all. A horse, a horse, what could have been my kingdom for a horse? You'll see, well, I'm not a prince anymore, but the horse might be nice nonetheless. I think I'm some distant kin to Catherine the great of Mother Russia. Yes. Again, thank you, Ralph. Thank you so much for giving me an opportunity to put my horribly, horribly cheesy British royal family accent to use. Thank you so very much.

Very, very. But back to the story I was getting at. This is going to take a minute. And thanks. I got a couple of appreciatory notes saying that I did a good job with the Ed Shearin's story last night in conjunction with the story about the great big ginormous bomb giveaway. No, we are... Leave the royal accent alone, Roxanne. Of the 40,000, 2,000 pound bombs that can wipe out everything in a half-mile radius

and turn human beings to vapor, well, that and the Ed Shearron story sort of mortise and tenoned together. So thanks for that. This is going to be a bit involved. Okay, as a starting place. In Gaza, it is impossible to get on the ground reporting because the fascist Israeli government run by fascists like, well, Psycho Bebe, who endorses the idea of Magna Israel from the river to the sea,

the river being the Euphrates, and the Turkish border all the way down to the Egyptian frontier. Yeah, that's most of the Middle East. Well, Psychobibi endorses the idea. So too does Shidemar Ben Javier. and Beelzebub Smotrich and probably a couple of other members of that filthy gang of fascists. But within the last year or so, a story broke of what is arguably the most disgusting atrocity yet attributed to that Israeli government.

And I got to thinking about that because I can't seem to let go of this story or the utterly repulsive testimony of Trash Patel of a couple of days back in the Senate of the United States. He with his, you know, little nasal voice and giggly eyes and when it got around time for

Senator Fogghorn Leghorn, Louis and Alistow, to question Trash Patel about the relaxed standards of the FBI relative to, Kennedy was primarily concerned with the bestiality issue. Trash Patel tried to make light of it. Hall, haul, haul, yeah. You may recall the clip. Senator Jubilation T. Cornbone said, You mean in the past, you disqualified the aminals?

With no small amount of either feigned or actual shock? You surprise? Let's revisit. visit that moment, if you don't mind. Because it's going to be somewhat important in pulling all the various pieces of this disgusting, sick, twisted puzzle together. And it's, you know, Columbo-like, it's taken me a few days to get it all put together, but, yeah, well, I just got, I just got one more question.

Just one more question, sir. What about the bestiality? Same thing, because the regs wrote it up in a fashion before I arrive that addressed prostitution, beastiality, and trafficking. They were there before I got there. Tell me what it said before. It automatically disqualified any individual who participated on either side of it. Obviously, we are never going to hire the criminal. The side of what?

The bestiality? Yes. So you disqualified the animal? Well, I don't think we have great canines, but we're not going to disqualify. Did you hear the laugh? Obviously, we have great canines, but we're not going to disqualify the animals. And as I said yesterday, and Ralph went, yeah, I was thinking that way, too. He made it sound like the dogs that the FBI uses have a rather,

sorted past. And perhaps they do. Because this was an attempt to haul, haul, haul, just make this go away as funny. And among other things, I saw a clip of Josh Johnson from the Daily

show in which he covered the story. And with comedic, feigned disbelief and suggested that perhaps beastiality was involved in the

well in the making of Trash Patel himself suggesting that perhaps his mother was an owl I mean I don't care who you are that's funny but the the chuckles and the hall hall are covering something up

I understand why you did this have you this is not the rest of us too and I understand the game. People try to make you look bad. We do the same thing when the other party's in office. And note that Senator Kennedy says, I understand

the game. Because to Senator Jubilation T. Corn Pone, it's all just a game. If people get hurt, if people get killed, if careers are ruined, uh... if vast and uh... ridiculous lies are told hall

haw well mister douglas it was just a joke it's just a part of the game you understand i think your phone's ringing you might want to climb the telephone pole there and answer it mr douglas and uh... apparently it worked uh... for a lot for for for a lot of people in the political press and

the multi-millionaire media and so that's the end of it and they don't take a second look but this program we few we happy few we have the ability to take that second look and we can take the time necessary for the second look and this is that

because I well I couldn't stop worrying it like a well like a dog over an old bone and after worrying it for a while I realized something. There's some nasty shit afoot here. Really, really nasty shit. Now, the previous regs, as Patel said there, Mr. Beastiality,

forbade anyone having had anything to do with Beastiality from having anything to do with the FBI. And you know, those are three weirdly specific things that they have decided. decided to look past. Beastiality being the most obvious and disgusting one of the three, but you can now also become an FBI agent if you committed theft from your employer. Or if you made a habit of visiting whores. Sex workers.

you know, work is honorable, but in most jurisdictions, sex work is still also illegal. And so the previous thinking was that someone who wanted to be in the FBI should have a clean record and not have been previously accused of engaging in the sex trade, sex trafficking. One of the things put forward was that they were trying to protect the victims. because I guess there's this stream of disappointed people who have been involved in the sex trafficking trade on the victim end of things because Trash Patel went on and said, well, what we're doing here is we're protecting the victims.

They shouldn't be punished and unable to have a job in the FBI just because they were sex traffic. That was bullshit. There's nothing about sex trafficking in the new regulations unless they've rewritten it, subsequent to his perjury a couple of days ago. But I kept worrying at it and worrying at it and worrying at it until pieces just began to fall together.

And so, knowing what we know of the horrors perpetrated against Palestinian people, you know, a genocide, sadistic stuff. in and of itself, all couched in terms of the right to self-defense. I think I found the answer. Because a year or so ago, stories began coming out, and it's just like it was in a previous fascist regime. It was hard to get information out of occupied Europe.

between 19 well even before that from Germany itself from 1933 to 1939 and occupied Europe from 1939 to 1945 information had to be smuggled out snuck out

like I said before there is not a single media correspondent on the ground in Gaza because genocide does not like witnesses But a year or so ago, information began coming out of the Israeli gulags and their own concentration camps. And look, content warning, trigger warning, allegations began making their way out of those hellholes of attack dogs that had been trained by the Israelis. to sexually assault Palestinian prisoners.

Israelis had trained attack dogs to sexually assault Palestinian prisoners. For the sake of your own mental health, don't think too much about it, because I'm already pretty well nauseated. just trying to imagine how you train a dog to do that. And what kind of disgusting, vicious personality it takes? One, to say, hey, what if we?

And two, for someone to say, okay, boss, we'll train them. And three, having trained them to use them for that purpose. What kind of two-legged monster is capable of that? Then, of course, there was the story, and in fact, I think if I recall correctly, Handy Smurf. Lauren Bumblehead Bubert was complaining bitterly a few months ago that she had been frozen out intentionally of the vote on the National Defense Reauthorization Act, which contained language that, to a certain extent, at the very least, merged some aspects of the United States military with that of the Israeli military. And it wasn't just people like Alex Jones who were reporting on it.

There were reputable sources, and there was a howl of indignation that went up. So there we are. That is what the Beastiality rewrite is a bit of, out. Do you remember when, what was it, St. Louis County, Missouri, hands up, don't shoot. And the night after night after night of earnest, indignant outrage at that police slaughter. And law enforcement moved in with up-armored vehicles, brought in snipers, The armored vehicles had machine guns on them. And at that time, it came out that those were tactics that had been taught to American law enforcement by Israeli police.

Yeah? We're remembering, aren't we? It seems so long ago. That was actually the beginning of a long... A long history of conversation with sister Carol Baker, who has since departed this mortal coil. Michael Brown, remember him? Yeah.

Gunned down in the street. Like an animal. But if you are going, and you have to ask yourself, who on earth would do something like this? And the answer is, this gang of disgusting, sick,

sadistic monsters. Cash Patel. Todd Blanchie. Mork Wayne Mullen. Or maybe he wasn't even in charge of DHS at the time. Maybe it was Krusty the nasty Nazi gnome. It went Nero. The lot of them.

That's who would do something like this. They want to if they haven't already begun training attack dogs at the FBI to engage in sexual assault against their victims. Perhaps the FBI will be the clearing house for transferring the control of the dogs, say, to the ICE goons or CBP or someone else within the Department of Homeland Security, all of which needs to be absolutely abolished. Is this sound paranoid?

I don't mean for it too. I don't go down these. If you are a long-time listener to this program, you know I don't do this kind of thing. Unless I'm convinced to at least a something beyond a preponderance of the evidence, perhaps clear and convincing all the way to reasonably certain that this maladministration, this gang of bugs and cut purses and ditch dwellers, would be capable of such a thing.

And yes, I know it shocks the conscience. I have actually spent a considerable amount of time between yesterday and today as things began to form up in my mind, wondering if I dared bring this to our attention. And given that consideration, I reached the conclusion that if I was, if I was to remain true to what we do here, then I should.

People who have engaged in the sex trade with trafficked women, men, children? How about the Israelis? How about the Israeli who was quietly allowed to flee the country after having been busted in Nevada trying to have sex with a child where the maggot U.S. attorney quietly sent him on his way

and he a person of some note who was involved in computer cyber warfare and whatnot for the fascist Israeli government. Remember that? If the previous standards had remained in place, then if word ever leaked out, whoever brought the people in to train the attack dogs, Inside the FBI, well, if word had gotten out, it would have been the director's head because it would have been a clear violation of a pre-existing standard. Now, however, it is not. Now the FBI is free to work with whomever it wishes to train attack dogs.

Beastiality, they have to be trained to engage in sexual activities with human beings and every single senator on the dais missed it. I have battled with nausea all day long thinking about this. And I don't know if there's any brain bleach out there to... with real bleach. Is there anyone among us who would say, oh no, Roxanne, come on! Even this bunch of sickos and pedophiles and rapists and criminals,

even they wouldn't stoop to something this filthy, this diabolical, this disgusting. Anybody willing to say that? I wish I could. but with this gang of criminals, I cannot. So, as much as it grieves me and nauseates me to say, at some point in time, word may leak out from one of our capitalist corporate prison industrial complex concentration camp network, something like this has actually been done.

I grieve Lord God I grieve for our country George and Corscold asking FBI eligible is cash going to recruit couch fuckers next next hell

considering what I think that they're doing now that was that was done with a wink and a nod a long time ago back to my Richard the third reference Theo my kingdom for a horse relative to

pedophile Andy Theo says careful what you wish for cuty and I think what got me started down this road was the ease with which we all dismissed it and went oh god

this is stupid this is hilarious wow what no yes Jeremy asking a question asking a question. Hold the fucking phone. Did a former FBI agent just die this year in prison

after a lifelong sentence for being a traitor, essentially employing theft by selling American secrets to Russia? Shouldn't he be given a pardon according to the new hire rules? I don't know if it was retroactive, Jeremy. Attack dogs, Lee, in New York says it sounds like the mirror mirror version of Obligatory Star Trek reference. Paul Patrol. Well, you know, just jot a note down.

September 17th. 2026. Because we do have a track record here. I would dare say that in many instances, we're more accurate than, say, the prediction markets. When it comes to

Republican perfority, Republican perversion, Republican criminality, oh, yeah. You can damn sure count on us being out ahead

of the curve so far it's like we're on straight road. And I apologize for every dinner in every time zone and every snack that I have ruined. But it was very much, and I don't mean to say this over and over again, but I guess I am. I couldn't make it go away because it is so, well, in a normal society, in a decent society, it would be so bonkers that a responsible government would have just told Trash Patel to get up and get the fuck out of the room. You sick bastard? Mr. Beastiality? But that word if, that little bitty word if, is doing a hell of a lot of heavy lifting in that hypothetical.

So your thoughts. and this is not a bit. This isn't some joke. I'm terrified that they're actually doing this. That they're capable of this. Because when puzzle pieces fit together properly, well, you may not like the fact that the puzzle pieces fit,

but you can't very well argue with the fact that they do. And of course, just like a regime 78 years ago that looked at Jews and called them Vermin Wunta mention

well that's how Israel views Palestinians and has well going all the way back to Golda Mayer there is no such thing as a Palestinian despite the fact that As far back as the late Bronze Age, there are references written on clay tablets found in ancient Bronze Age cities that refer to a people called the Polistan, the Berman, intermension, genocide. Would anybody be surprised to find out that somewhere in a prison in Israel, they have their own Dr. Mangler?

I would not be. and I refuse to apologize for saying any of this it is not anti-Semitic because criticizing a fascist government does not constitute anti-Semitism I have critiques of places like North Korea and Iran neither of whom are Semitic

but they are authoritarian and fascist Mother Russia and let's bear in mind that I don't know Is this the genocide decade? Because, well, Stalin tried to commit a genocide of ethnic Ukrainians in the 1930s, deporting and murdering ethnic Ukrainians and replacing them with Russians, ethnic Russians in Ukraine. Hitler had his Leibenzraum,

in which people were displaced and deported and replaced by ethnic Germans. Recently, video came out of the West Bank of Israeli police and IDF forces, I mean, IDF, tormenting and abusing Palestinians in what, Hebron, clearing the streets so that the land-stealing, settlers could have their weekly march, abusing the press, abusing the locals. It's not anti-Semitism to note historical parallels. And if they don't want the comparisons made, they shouldn't make it possible to make the comparisons.

So that's that. And we're entering the second hour of the program. And as promised, we have a candidate for the House of Representatives. like I said in the belly of the east, the state of Alabama, House District 96, which is down in what we call L.A., lower Alabama. In fact, the eastern side of Mobile Bay. And races like this are important because it means that candidates are stepping up and challenging the entrenched hyper right-wing, dare-I-say fascist power in the very worst of maggot states. So please lend your ear to my dear friend, dare-I-say-my sister, Terry Osborne, who's with us on the phone right now.

Hey, Terry. Hey, Robin. How are you? Oh, finest frog hair. Hello, everybody. Finest frog's hair split four ways. Thanks for taking... Very fine.

Very fine. Thanks for taking a minute out of your busy campaign schedule to chat with us. I just wanted people to get you, because it's been a long time since you've been on the program. maybe as far back as December 31st, 2020. Yeah. Thousand years ago, it seems, you know, pre-COVID. Oh, my God. It was prior to COVID.

Well, no, that was in COVID. 2020? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, that was COVID. Oh. Because we found out about it. In COVID? Yeah.

The White House found out about it in November of 2019, long about Thanksgiving. but that's not that but yeah that was COVID yeah but uh you have uh as the old tobacco ad said come a long way baby and uh come a long way honey yeah uh and so now no no kidding really and for true you are the democratic nominee for the alabama house of representative seat seat in district 96 Let's start out by talking a little bit about your district. It's a fairly small district and area. You know, the districts of Alabama, or the House of Representatives are guided up by population. So there's approximately 54,000 people in a district, more or less equally divided up according to population.

So a given district could cover a large area in square miles. miles if it's not very populated. But my district is fairly small. It covers more or less two cities, Daphne, Alabama, where I live in Spanish Fort, Alabama, which is adjacent and just to the north of Daphne. And then there's some rural areas just north of Spanish Fort that are unincorporated, that are also in the district.

And it also has a tiny piece. of the northwest part of Fairhope, Alabama, which is called Montrose. It's not incorporated, but it does have a post office. And, you know, being on the east side of Mobile Bay, we're also called the Eastern Shore, those in the know. Or billions generally call us the Eastern Shore,

as it was done back in the day when they tried to escape all the yellow fever epidemics and happened back in the 1800s. Flea across the bay to the eastern shore. What was it, higher ground, less swampy? Higher ground, less swampy. Yeah. We are the highest point on the whole east coast from Maine to Brownsville,

like 175 feet above sea level, right here on the Alabama coast. On the eastern shore. In the immediate, like, coastal plain area. No, it's no, it's right on the coast. Like, it's a cliff. Huh. He's called Ecor Rouge. Well, you would know that.

It's just south of where I live. You would know that, you'd be in a professional geologist and all. Yeah. I don't have any rocks in it, but it's mainly clean sand. But, yeah. Which blew my mind when I moved down here. I would have never thought that that was here. I would have been up in Maine, rocking.

fucking northeast you know yeah yeah no it's right here down on the gulf coast well bless my soul i swear to betcha i know right it's funny though you and i come from the same hometown in northwest alabama uh that had it you know before uh before progressivism had its way uh back uh back in the early part of the 20th century uh where we're from was plagued with its own yellow fever epidemic People don't really know about it or talk about it that much. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, and, well, crazy notions like progressivism brought a series of dams on the Tennessee River that brought that under control.

Yeah, I did. Preventing big floods that would occur in the spring, which, of course, led to standing water, which led to lots of mosquitoes, which, of course, led to yellow geese. Bingo. and you know it should but I should note this is not your first campaign

it's your first campaign I know I it's your first campaign for the house for the state office but you previously ran there in your hometown you mentioned Daphne

lovely Daphne Alabama Daphne yes Litter for 32 years next month and and you made a centerpiece, and I think this is important, especially in this campaign now, you made a centerpiece of your campaign the access to clean potable water. And that's, that's, that's, that's,

that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's still resonates, right? I still resonates my slogan in the city campaign for city council was it's all about the water. It's all about the water. If you don't have drinking water, good clean drinking water, to drink. You'll be dead in three to five days. You can live, you know, 40 plus days without food. You're going to be dead in three to five days if you don't have access to water. And, of course, we have a bay full of water, but the old plane goes water, water everywhere,

but none of the drop to drink. Right. Too brackish to drink. Yeah, brackish or outright salt water. Because you are, your district is how many miles from the actual Gulf of Mexico, which is, by the way, the Gulf of Mexico? The Gulf of Mexico? Yeah, it's about 35 miles, roughly.

By the way, the crow flies. Or sea gold flies. But it takes up the two hours to get there in the summertime because of the huge crunch and tariffs that come down. Who also consumed that water? Paradise has gotten quite crowded. and it is. Paradise is quiet.

I haven't been down there since, golly, Moses. Hard to believe. This past August would get five. Since we gathered on the beach. Yes. Yes. That was a magic time. It really, really was.

Warm weather comes around every year up here, and I think, oh, I need to get in the car and drive those thousand miles down to the Gulf of Mexico again. I need to go see Terry. Come down to the Riviera. The Redneck Riviera, y'all. Redneck Riviera, that's right. The Redneck River. It's not so much redneck now, I think. All the rednecks are well healed.

Yeah, they learned how to use a knife and fork, and they use that table knife not just for eating their peas, neither. No, that's right. That's right. Yeah, I do remember growing up. They're talking about, you know, the groundwater was a staple of my city campaign. It's also part of my state campaign, especially with all the data centers that are wanting to be built. You know, the coach, our coach, former coach of Auburn.

It's really gone whole on the data centers. Yeah, because if you know. And one of the things that they use a lot is water. They use a lot of water for cooling. Yeah, and by the coach, you mean. Where are they going to get that water? You mean that resident of Florida, Tommy the Tuber? Yes, the Florida man, our own personal Florida.

a man who wants to run for governor here and our Supreme Court can't quite decide if they have jurisdiction over that, even though it states clearly in our Constitution, if you have to be a resident of Alabama for seven years and be able to be governor. And being as how it's in the Constitution, that would seem to confer jurisdiction upon the Alabama Supreme Court, but I'm sure the Alabama Supreme Court has good God-fearing conservative Christian values, which means that you have to let an idiot from Florida run for governor if that's what he wants to do.

I mean, I'll say this. I don't need for you to say this. I'll say it. Tommy the Tuber is an idiot. I mean, we're not talking about just an ordinary, unformed person. We're talking about stupid. We're talking about Ignant

We're talking about couldn't pour pee out of a boot With directions on the heel We're talking about He didn't know Could drown Looking up at the sky with his mouth open During a rainstorm dumb But yeah

He didn't know there were three branches Of the federal government The Father of the Son The Holy Spirit? It's pretty dumb Yeah Yes Yes he left out the Holy Spirit

That you do. But he does say that, well, if you oppose a God-given data centers, that must mean you a Chinese communist or maybe a queer or a queer Chinese communist liberal. And you don't have good Alabama conservative values. I dare say you got lots of Alabama. values, Terry? I think I do. I've lived here all my life,

so I think they're embedded in me pretty good. That's like loving that neighbors yourself. It's probably one of our Alabama values, being neighborly. All them Sunday school things that the little old blue-haired ladies taught you kind of stuck and took, as we say.

That you take care of the lease of these, you know, the sick, who's in prison, and the naked and the stranger in our land. We're supposed to take care of a stranger in our land, but apparently we're leaving ice to do that, and I don't think there's much care taking it all from them. No. Apparently, Baldwin County has one of the highest rates of arrest

of supposedly illegal immigrants in the state. They take about three to 400 people every month here in Baltimore. County. So we're not, we're not, we're not, we're not doing a good job of thinking about the strangers in our own. And then send them God knows where. And God knows where. And these are people that, there's been one guy's been arrested three times and he is a

United States citizen born here. Yeah. And they keep telling them his idea is fake. It's not real. Uh, isn't, isn't that, how do you present your papers when they don't accept your papers is real? Your papers. I'm, wait a minute, wrong accent.

Your pipers ain't in order. Yeah. Your pipe, you print this at home on your printer. So it looks like. Good lamination, no. But isn't that the fellow, I mean, his family owns a construction contracting company? I think so. Yeah, isn't that that guy?

Born here. U.S. citizen, he just don't look right. He just don't look right, you know. You ain't from around here, are you? Where are your people from? That's a good clue to somebody that, hey, you know, you don't look like. You ain't just in color as me. Let me get out my paint chip.

Jesus, wept. I supposed to be part of our Alabama values. I thought, anyway, that's what I was taught growing up here in Alabama, my mother's knee. I know you were, too. Well, and, yeah, we grew up at a different time, I think, in, uh, in, uh, in, in Alabama. It was, we started first grade at a time when,

um, in the aftermath of the, the horrors and the, and the, and the, the torment and torture, uh, that attended the civil rights movement and the clan running wild and people

like Bull Connor and Birmingham. The bombing of the, what was it, the 13th Street Baptist Church? I visited that. I, uh, you may recall. The anniversary was just, what, last week?

Yes, you may recall I had occasion to spend about six weeks in Birmingham almost exactly five years ago, and one of the things I did was to go and see that church and take a moment to remember those precious little girls that were murdered by the clan because we dare not forget because, well, here we are again, because that's what I was getting at. we were raised at a time when Alabama was trying to get better. And now Alabama is trying to go backwards.

Can't be having black folk, having a representation. Can't be having black vote have representation. How can't ever do that. Apparently, apparently a K-I believe. Those are with Alabama values for some reason. And I thought we had gotten beyond all that, really yet. kind of heartbreaking to find out, not even kind of. It's heartbreaking to find out you haven't, isn't it?

It is heartbreaking. Let me ask you, when you win, Terry, and you put your hand in the air and right hand in the air and your left hand on the Bible and you swear to uphold the Constitution of the state of Alabama and the government of the United States of America, how many other Democrats will you join in the legislature there? to join a lot. You know, Doug Jones

who actually put away some of those boys who bombed that church when he was a lawyer, a practicing lawyer. It's one of his good deeds he's done in his life.

He'll need at least a purple legislature to help him get things done that he wants to get done. So we need quite a few Democrats. You know, unfortunately we don't have as many Democrats running as I would but we have the most run on the Alabama ballot in over 10 years.

And the way things are going, based on polls and our lovely economy, I think we have a good shot of putting in a lot of Democrats in our state most of such. What that number is, I'm not sure. Do you have any? I'm just sort of looking out into the future. have you given any thought to what sort of committees you'd like to serve on? Especially environmental. Alabama passed a law.

Well, this year went into effect. I think it goes into effect October 1st. Then we cannot be more strict than regulations put forth by the EPA. We can't be more strict. You used to could be more strict than the EPA, you had to be at least as strict as EPA. But now you can't be more. And so if they gut EPA,

which is what President Trump and his minions want to do, just kill it, which was created by Richard Nixon, another Republican. What happens then? Do we have any regulations? If we can't be more strict than the EPA, if the EPA doesn't exist,

do our environmental regulations just go away? That's a good question. I want to roll back that law. I'll have to be on the Environmental Committee. For the bill to roll back that law. And Doug Jones sign it so that we can be more strict. And so we can protect our coastal waters.

So we can protect our aquifers so that people can have clean water to drink. You know, I'm sure you're aware. There was just a case in Mississippi that was decided. And the judge said that you don't have a right for the government to give you clean water. water in Jackson, Mississippi. You don't have that right. You don't even have the right that the government will tell you the truth, whether there's lead in your water or not.

That's a hell of a thing. I'll tell you what, that, that is a, that is a hell of a thing. I mean, I understand that they love some constitutional originalism back when they, back when people didn't understand things like lead in the water and, you know, drank two or three gallons of wine and beer a day because the, I mean, this is a fact because the water wasn't fit to drink. No. And they want to go back to that, apparently.

It's not a hell of a thing. Did that make America great? I just don't imagine that made America very great when people were drinking polluted water. No, and in fact, I don't know if you know about her. I mean, we're pals. We've been talking, we were probably carrying on conversations like this way back long about the fall of night. about the fall of 19-70 years ago almost yeah yeah about the fall of 1979 standing there on the sidelines of the football field

yes but our glory our glory days as they were called you know you mean our our closed head injury days yeah those oh yeah yeah I've often wondered if I've had a concussion from some of those days and I'm just not I don't know about it Well, at least you don't seem to be displaying any symptoms or anything. But way back in the early to mid-1800s, a woman named Anne Royal, who came from what is now West Virginia, became one of the first travel writers in the Young Republic.

And one of the things that she did, and it's fascinating if you can go back and find her, she traveled to what was then referred to as the frontier. And the frontier at the time was basically, and I know you know this place, Town Creek, Alabama. Wait, Down Creek was the frontier. That is amazing thing to think about, really. And she wrote about the squalid conditions of people who had come to, of the people who had tried to get away from the oppression of the coastal elites, as it were. come to North Alabama and just lived lives of absolute misery. And she documented it.

But I say that because there wasn't much in the way of clean drinking water then. Because, you know, bugs and diseases. Well, you know, back then, you know, people dug. shallow wells. They would go down to the first indication of groundwater and make a well. They might dig it down a few more feet so that the well wouldn't go dry.

But of course, all the privies and everything around them drained into that same water. So they were basically, you know, urinating in the water they were drinking. They just didn't know it. So any diseases that took place, typhoid, cholera, anything like that would get into their drinking water and would spread like wildfire until some people finally figured out what was going on.

And now the Republican government of the state of Alabama wants to go back to those happy days. Well, yeah, just lovely time. And let's give all the good water to the data centers. Apparently they just bring all kinds of bonanza of money to a community. I haven't found good evidence of that And looking through it Where this bonanza of money comes from Exactly

Does it bring a lot of jobs to a community Except in the initial construction days And then a lot of times these companies Already have their construction crews And they just bring them in to a community So the hotels and restaurants and whatnot Might do well for a while But you know they're not bringing

steady jobs there. They're going to go away in a year or two. And then these data centers are generally staffed by maybe 25 people, just doing maintenance and security. Most of the work that needs to be done can be done somewhere else

now by a computer. And, well, you know, with me living where I live, I know a little bit about extractive industry, Terry. Yes, you do. And one of the things we can't help but notice is that the people who benefit from those extractive industries

never live where the extractive industries take place. No, no, no, they live up above, you know, the old thing of, well, species rolls downhill. Uh-huh. Literally does, and all the poor people live down hill. And so there won't be any, there won't be any tech, living anywhere near a data center, anywhere in Alabama? No, and oftentimes, of course, you know, they put them in poor areas because land's cheaper.

People don't have as much power in those areas, and so it becomes a racial justice thing. What about your district there, the old 96? Is it a fairly affluent area? Kerry? Oh, yeah. We have a very affluent area. Median income is about

$92,000 a year. So we're about 50% higher than the median of Alabama as a whole. Houses here are around the low 400,000. Most people that

have these good paying jobs are commuting somewhere. Pensacola, Mobile, areas like that. Fallon County really doesn't have any kind of industry per se, even though they're trying to start up some industry northeast of Bay Manette, which is about 20, 40 miles away, but they're still building all that. So a lot of lawyers, a lot of doctors, people working at shell, chemical plants,

the steel plant that's up in axis, jobs like that, they're commuting to. Our roads are very, very crowded. We have mainly retail stores, grocery stores, you know, car diggers, our primary tax base here in Dachman, Spanish Sports. Schools. They have very good schools. But so what do you think, I mean, given those facts, what do you think is going to resonate with your potential voters?

Oh, they don't want a data center put in anywhere there. that's a big bug of food. Protecting our environment, the coastal waters, we have a multi-billion dollar forts fishing in the Delta and the bay off the coast. So, I mean, the Delta, the mobile delta is one of the most diversified species areas in America. Lots of wetlands. Yeah, over on the- natural forests around the area.

I mean, that's the biggest concern. That's one big concern. Our wetlands, our rural areas, we still have a lot of crop land, a lot of agriculture that's going on, and all our drinking water comes from aquifers. We do not have a single surface water source for our drinking water.

So we don't have any room for a data center to come in and suck our aquifers dry to cool their servers. I would like to pass a bill in the legislature to ban any data center from drawing on any source of potable water, whether it be surface or an aquifer. They would be required to drill a deep well into non-potable aquifers to draw their cooling water. Well, can that aforementioned brackish water be used? Probably would be a good idea because of the corrosion that would take place. that was my guess

I'm a little bit sciencey yes you are so maybe a little more upstream they could probably get fresher water but even Mobile

doesn't pull drinking water out of the rivers that come into the Mobile Bay Mobile River the Alabama River Ten Fall River and then there's a couple of other all ones, but those are the three major waters, major rivers that are draining southern Alabama.

You know, they all come down into the Mobile Bay. But Mobile gets no water out of a lake. It's located in Westwood, Mobile County. Do you think people are thinking about this issue, Terry? I think they're starting to. They definitely thinking about the higher electrical bills that come with data centers because they put such a huge drain on our electrical grid. system. Electrical bills are going up. And the closest we have to electrical generation is

the, oh God, I can't remember the first name of it, but it's a coal-fired steam plant. It's located about, I don't know, 40 miles away. It's where most of our electricity is generated. Well, you don't have any electric generation here in Baldwin County. Well, you kind of anticipated my next question, Terry, and that is, is, is, you. here where I am, it is almost an article of religious faith that we must not have wind power or solar power, but we must rely upon the coal that was put in the ground for that very purpose. Is there anything that points toward a clean, renewable, economically and

environmentally just energy future for South Alabama? Not really, no. I mean, we could have solar, but, you know, people complain about that. You know, I saw there are some solar farms in the Scandia County, which is located to the east and just north of Florida. I've seen several of those on my driving around. They wanted to put a solar farm up in northern Baldwin, county around Stockton, Alabama, which is just north of I-65, which is interstate coming out of Mobile, going to Birmingham and Huntsville.

And that solar farm was going to be built to supply electricity to a data farm up in Montgomery. That was its sole purpose. Let's do supply electricity. I mean, there's a, you know, it's a double-edged sword that were going to build over a lot of forest and possibly pollute the groundwater and which were flowing into Mobile Way and also affect hundreds of acres of wetlands.

But at least it would be a green energy source. But it's not a good area for a solar farm, not here in Baldwin County. So, supposedly one is going to go in there fully. I've heard about, but I haven't heard really much of anything about it lately.

Of course, wind turbines would be a good energy source as well, but people don't like those because it spoils the view. Heaven knows you're not going to have those off the coast of the Redneck Riviera. And, but yet, oil drilling platforms off the coast of

the Redneck Riviera don't spoil the view. I mean, I've stood there on those domino-sugar white sand beaches looking out, you know, because where you are, if you just if you just take your little compass out on your phone and you point yourself due south, just over the horizon a few hundred miles away is, well, son of a gun, the Ucitan Peninsula of Mexico.

But there in the coastal Gulf of Mexico, oil drilling platforms, I mean, maybe they're gas drilling platforms. I don't know, but they're within sight of the beach. Oh, yeah, they're still in sight of the beach, and there's two or three still remaining in the back. but those aren't eyesores and they're near Dauphin Islands well yeah to all the tourists and a coal fire plant

They'll make for good fishing Oh I bet they do Yeah they probably create an artificial reef down there I bet there's Oh yeah More unlikely when they get scuttled It will be And they are nearing their economic life

They are nearing their economic life There's been no drilling and the bay were right off the coast of Alabama in God 30 years so there's been no new drilling a long time

odds are there won't be but a coal-fired power plant is not an eyesore but a wind turbine is well of course it is yeah steam plants out of sight but the particulates

that they put into the air that people breathe well they're out of sight too so nobody thinks about them when they're taking them into their lungs, those ultra-fine particular. Oh, no, no. And, of course, our most wonderful president has pushed the ETA to just let them emit whatever the hell they want. No restrictions on any greenhouse gases for power plant.

No, I'd have to restrict that anymore. Isn't that, no? Yeah, because greenhouse gases... I sure we'll all get a big break on our electrical bill, what you think? Yeah, because greenhouse gases, you know, greenhouse gases, you know, green. in the word. And that, you know, and lepracons wear green. So, you know, greenhouse gases are imaginary just like leprechauns. Have I got that right? Is that the Republican position? Yeah. Yeah. Carbide oxide is good for you. It makes all the plants grow.

And it's in our sodipop. I mean, I remember when a Texas congressman argued that on the floor of the House of Representatives. We wouldn't have carbon dioxide. It wasn't good for us. I'm sure as Coca-Cola would be coming to just truck all that CO2 to their bottom. plant. Do please. Yeah, right. Let me... No reason I want to be on the environmental side, you know, make sure we're still

protecting our water, our air, our food. We really want to go back to the days of the medicine man, selling you bilge water, telling you to occur, cure, everything that ails you, and you're not going to know what's in your food, no more labels, no more ingredients. You know, they used to put chalk and milk so you couldn't tell it went bad. Yep. Do we go back to that? God alone knows what they put in the chocolate milk to make it brown.

Yeah, I don't even think about that. Let's not think about that. Let's don't say we didn't. But you know, that I was back in the day, and now we're already getting, how many recalls that they're done on all kinds of foods? Well, as the recent saying goes, Mitch McConnell is the only vegetable that has not yet been recalled. I was amazed to see him come rolling out of his home Well, he tried to vote yesterday, but the chairman, I think it was John Barrasso,

had to tell him how to vote, because if he had voted the way he voted the first time, the farm bill wouldn't have gotten out of committee. So there's that. Man. But, you know, as is the case in any MAGA state, Alabama is beset by a plague of problems. We've talked about access to clean water, the ability to breathe, clean air,

where our energy is going to come from in the future. And, of course, when you do get sick, unless you're willing to just put things into the healing hands of faith, you're going to need a doctor now and then. Oh, doctor, well, you better hope you're near a major metropolitan area because we have a lot of medical deserts in Alabama, especially in the black belt. And that's basically... Of course, that's named for many different reasons.

One, it has rich black dirt, and of course, that's where they build all the plantations to grow cotton. Yeah. And then once the slaves were released, a lot of them stayed in that area. And so now it's democratically the black bill. And of course it's underserved. And it is a medical desert. Yes, I'm going to represent it is one, two of the primary areas that were redistricted.

So to try to keep those people from having a black representative in Congress. And one of our glorious GOP state representatives said, well, those people really need. a Republican representative. They'd be better off with a Republican than Democrat. The lot of the Republicans would be whites. Right. You mean those people?

Did the Republican those people? Right. Those people. And if you, you know, live in the South, you know exactly what those words mean. Oh, yes. And you also know what, bless your heart means.

That's right. Bless your heart. I mean, yeah, to infinity and beyond. Yes, indeed. You know, you're going to represent a specific district, so you have to be focused there. But, well, there's also the matter of caring about, you know, Alabama at large. I think about it because it used to be, you know, the muscle shoals to Mobile short route. I never could figure out what made it short.

Oh, yes, yes. call it the back way. Yeah, it's mostly two-lane road all the way from Muscle Shoals to Mobile, but it goes through a pretty drive. There really is a beautiful drive. It is. And it goes through a little

county seat called Carrollton in Pickens County, and, well, for folks like you and me who grew up reading 13 Alabama ghosts and Jeffrey, we know about the face in the courthouse window there in Carrollton. But Carolin's

still there. Yes, it is. Look it up, y'all. It's a hell of a story. I had to wait six weeks in first grade to get to read 13 Alabama ghosts and Jeffrey, and then I didn't sleep for six more after I did. And then there were 13 more Alabama ghosts. Oh, Alabama's just crawling with ghosts.

And for good reason. Several, I think, actually. Yeah. But they're in Pickens County. I remember talking about it here on the program a few months a year, maybe more ago. They got down to one ambulance, and they lost their hospital. Yeah, they served multiple counties, I think, too, right? And it served multiple counties?

That one ambulance serves, yep. And so they can only have one medical emergency at a time in Pickens County, because, well, that's how Republican small. government works, right? I can't. But you have to care about the whole state. And that's one thing that I know about you, and that is that you do. You have, you've traveled the state.

You literally know the dirt and the rock that underpins the state. Oh, yeah, we're very diverse geologically. Very diverse geologically. We grew up on limestone, bluffs and whatnot and it goes it goes all the way down yeah i i was thought i was thought the water there where we grew up was about as good as anywhere i've ever tasted um oh my god yes it came out of cypress oh too yeah it came out of cypress creek and i and uh i've wondered in recent years i wonder if it's still as good i'd like to hope it is but also the area around

it really hasn't changed a lot since you and I were teenagers, really hasn't been driving around in that area. It remains fairly, you know, undisturalized, very urban, lots of pastures and croft land. So, you know, it is spring fed. So it just depends on what it's been seeking into the water table. I did not know.

Spring fed. How about that? Oh, yeah, lots of springs. Waterdale County, of the limestones. Yeah, I remember one in particular. You know, the big, what is it, big spring over in Tusmania? Yeah, and Bailey Springs out in the Northern.

Yeah. Yeah, there's just, all kinds of springs everywhere. The sky's all the limestone, you know. And forgive me, Horn family community congregation. It's a little bit like old home week with Miss Terry. Just because we do have such a. Reminis, you know, we grew up there. We grew up there, went to high school there, known each other since then.

So, yeah, many, just a few decades, kind of a weird thing to say. Four decades, almost five now. I'll never forget what you said the first day I walked on to the football field. You said your first thought was, those are the whitest legs I have ever seen in my entire life. Yes, blinding they were. It's like they had not seen the sun all summer. I don't think they were the just almost cadaver white.

The funny thing is they had seen the sun. They had seen the sun. Sheared into my memory. They had seen the sun. It's just that just don't tan. And I thought I didn't tan. But my God, girl, you know, I look positively really brown standing next week. But, you know, campaigns.

I wish it were otherwise, but campaigns take support. And, you know, I've run for office up here. Money, yes, it takes money. It takes money. It takes money. And, you know, on a Wednesday or a Sunday, this is where the organist, and we actually have a Horn family community congregation. We're going to pass the plate now, folks.

Yes, we are. And I wish too much Hutch was hooked up into the program and had access to the church musical instrument. Because this is where the organist starts slowly playing soft little dulcet tunes on the organ, and the deacons start moving amongst the pews with those heavy brass-bound burgundy velvet-lined plates only. That's not, I mean, we're going to do it virtually here. uh i here's here here's the pitch there is no unimportant election in this country in 2026 and i would i would suggest that one of the most important places to strike a blow for freedom to strike a blow for decency compassion mercy mercy

grace, love is in a place that suffers in the perpetual darkness of MAGA. And so, Terry,

you're MAGA rich. We are MAGA rich down in my area. Or MAGA poor, as the case might be. And so you've got a... We don't have any plates to pass or anything, but you do have an Act Blue account. I do. That would be the easiest way to donate to me, go to Act Blue,

and just search for Terry Osborne. And that's Terry with an eye. T-R-I, Terry with an I, Osborne, O-S-B-O-R-N-E. E on the end, then know you. I'm not Ken to Ozzie that I'm aware of. So he has a U in his name, I don't. OS-B-O-R-N-E, T-E-R-N-E, T-R-I-R-E.

R-R-I, Terry Osborne, act-blue. Is it a dot-com? I think it's a dot-com. I believe it's a dot-com. Yeah. And that's the easiest thing. They'll ask for your, you know, name and address, and you can donate whatever you want. You know, there is no too small a donation.

And I've gotten quite a few $1 donations from across the country, from people giving up what are contributing and contributing to a lot of different campaigns. There is an upper limit of how much you can give. It's not like some sort of MAGA super PAC. You're not one of those. No, there's not an upper limit. There's not. There is not an upper limit.

No, I looked at that because I thought the same thing, because if there was a limit on what someone can donate to my city campaign, there is not one on this one. They could donate a million dollars if they wanted to, Jimmy, and that weird. I was surprised. And, you know, if Elon was so magnanimous, you could, like, you know, just give me a buttload of money. He's too busy funding certain campaigns. Yeah, Leon Scum Space Nazi is not going to be your friend, Terry.

I hate to break it to this. No, no, no, honey, I'm aware of that. He is definitely our enemy. He's proven that time and time again, ever since his daughter, you know, decided not to be his son anymore. Mm-hmm. And he's all the grudge against the whole community since then.

But the fact of the matter is people can give, and I hope people do give, especially from this little community, because it's worthwhile. You know, the... Yeah, I'm not. you know, progressive. Yeah.

Down here in a conservative red area, there's more Democrats here than I thought there were. And they're all out campaigning, helping our campaigns. I had a nice fundraiser last week. It's really going to help me to buy some ads, some targeted ads right here in my community, Spanish Fort and Daphne.

It's going to take just about all my money. money, but at least I'm going to be able to do it. So having a bit more cash in the kidding would be nice. Well, the more you have, the more. The more you have, the more

people you can reach. That's it. And just getting my name in front of people so that they know I'm here is the biggest struggle. You know, we don't have newspapers

person or more. I can put an ad in that everybody reads. Yeah, you and I grew up reading things like them, I mean, we up there at Anderson's book plan, they'd get the Mobile

Press Register every day. There is no Mobile Press Register anymore. Nope. There's no Birmingham News. There's not. Birmingham Post Herald. Mm-hmm.

The Hotsful Times. They're on call. I mean, it's such iconic newspapers here in Alabama and they're all gone. The Montgomery advertiser. I think Montgomery doesn't Montgomery still have their paper? Does the advertiser still exist

because a girl I dated a million years ago? Her daddy started out his journalism career at the Montgomery advertiser right after he left the University of Alabama.

So I don't know if the advertisement. I haven't seen a reference to the advertiser in ages. But so it's a, it's a strange and electronic world and we are beset by. It does exist. It still exists. The Montgomery advertiser still exists. How about that?

But that's another thing. So, again, go to actblue.com. Look up Terry, T-E-R-R-R-I, Osborne, OSB-O-R-N-E, and throw a dollar her way, if that's what you can. Throw five, throw ten. If you're feeling froggy, throw 20 or 100. And

know that you are striking a blow to help drag Alabama kicking and screaming into the Yeah, into the 20th century.

Yeah, at least the late 20th century. And I'm going to ask you a question here, Terry, and I don't want be catty and I don't want to be named. We're ladies here. But do we are. How about how about your opponent? She's been quiet as a mouse. Who is she? Daniel Dugger. Do you, G-G-G-A-R?

Like those. Not yet. It's like the ones in Arkansas. Like those ones up in Arkansas with with the son who's a pedophile and an incestuous child sexual abuser, those duggers? Those duggers. Now, I do not know she's related to him. That would be her husband. He's an engineer in aerospace and mobile. No indication of that. But yeah, same name, spelled the same.

Yeah. So, but she is, she is MAGA through and through, isn't she? She used to cavort with the mothers of liberty. Oh, you mean the brown skirts? And also, she has been reported to be a big time anti-vaxxer. Oh, so she's pro. No, I've been able to confirm that. I'm tired of that phrase, anti-vaxxer.

What we mean is she's pro measles. Pro polio. It sounds like she might be pro-measles. You know, in fact, weirdly enough, vaccination rate is higher than Virginia's, but not by much. And not for law. You know, Pennsylvania is having a huge measles epidemic, what, over 600 cases? That's Pennsylvania.

Alabama has had one case all year. We are just below the 95% threshold that gives herd immunity. Virginia is like 92 and a half. I thought that was Pennsylvania. I showed you where that, I'm sorry, Pennsylvania. That shows you where that tipping point is. Yeah. Of not having an epidemic and having an epidemic.

It's that thin where suddenly we don't have herd immunity. anymore. Well, I mean, but I'm sure she's a good God-fair and upstanding Bible believe in Christ-centered evil, jellical, Gundamentalist, Amosexual Christian. And that kind of surprised. Oh, yes, yes. That kind of surprises me. That kind of surprises me, though, Terry, because I find it shocking that she would associate

herself with a group like the Brownskirts who were founded by a woman who was caught in a a little bit of, shall we say, lesbicious activity. Oh, that's right. She was the one that had the threesome down in Florida. If I'm recalling that correctly. On school board, she was on a school board, I believe.

And while she was on the school board down there in Florida, oh, she barked and grunted and hooted and hollered and raved and carried on and all about the queers in Florida and how they, we couldn't, we couldn't say, they couldn't say gay in the schools, but by God she could say it with her hubby and the girlfriend in the bedroom now, couldn't she?

And so your opponent, your opponent was associated with that group? As I understand it, yes. Now, that chapter of the moms for, I like to call them momster tyranny, because it's not really about freedom, that chapter of that group no longer exists because the parent chapter

just about their membership because they thought they were too extreme. But there's been, but there's been library wars right there not too far from where you live, right? Oh yeah, Fairhope, Alabama. It's just 10 miles down the road. I mean, our lovely, the Republican candidate for lieutenant governor, John Wall, which, by the way, John is not his legal name. Of course not.

Nehemiah, Nehemiah Ezekiel Wall is his legal name. But that's not on his sign. It's John. He just goes by John. And apparently his legal residence is in Tennessee. He's kind of like the Florida man. John, huh? I wonder if that's what some of his lady friends call him.

Well, I don't know anything about that. But he committed voter fraud a few years ago in Livestone County. You know where Limestone County is? Well, I do. Just a hop skip down the road from our hometown. Yes, he is. Apparently, he voted with an illegal ID that he made it home. You can look at us up.

It's a report on him. And then he got the poll worker fired who called him on it, asking him, don't you know who I am? Yeah, you're a cheat and a fraud. And now he's running for Lieutenant Governor. endorsed by yours truly Trump, you know. Oh, but of course. Of course.

Like recognizes like. Yeah. Oh, yeah, and him and the coach are peas in a pod, or at least in two states other than Alabama. I'm sorry. Yeah, that just kind of made me laugh. Oh, but, well, you know, it's like the bumper sticker says, Miss Terry.

Not perfect. just forgiven I wonder if he's been forgiven yes don't know I have to keep doing it how can you be forgiven if you keep doing it

when you repent you turn from your way you know right repent is you turn away yes how I understood it when you repent you turn away from your evil ways

and walk the straight and narrow there's that Sunday school learning again has a way of sticking with you well you know we were steeped in that kind of thing dipped by the heel you know

earliest the earliest stories I remember is my mama reading Bible stories to me and my siblings in her bed same same

I don't lie I mean that's a southern thing but that was a real thing am I growing up you know how you're supposed to treat people and all that

and you've I still adhere today I'm not about to say. I mean, that's who you were in, you know, 78, 79, 80, 81. It's who you've been in all of your life. I've had a lot of things change about me, but that hasn't. No, no, it hasn't. You know, that hasn't.

Study to show thyself approved, ma'am. I think that's in the book somewhere. a good book well Terry I tell you what I thank you so much for this hour you've been really so very generous and I do appreciate it well thank you

and I thank you for having me on it was great to be on your show again it's awesome even if it's been a little while and you're welcome you're welcome back anytime and I am gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna make you make a promise

and I'm gonna hold you to it and that is after you win you have to come back and we get to celebrate with you well yes ma'am i'll do that in a heartbeat yes indeed well you get that day after the election if i can make it happen i'll do it the day after the election oh wouldn't that wouldn't that be just a lovely lovely

day for it and oh god you know it i mean i couldn't imagine doing it any better than with a good old friend like you. Where the restoration of the Republic is concerned, that old saying couldn't be more true, the journey of a thousand miles begins with the first step. And you've taken that step. And I'm so proud of you and proud to know you that I could bust.

Because you are not, you are not the typical southern politician. You are earnest. No, I'm not. You are earnest and you are sincere. and you actually care about the people whom you hope to represent, whom you hope will entrust you with their vote. And serving the people they voted for me and serving the people who won't vote for me. Right, because that's how it's supposed to work.

You serve. That's how it's supposed to work. You serve your constituents, whether they voted for you or not. They're in your district. That's who you serve. And you do the best you can for them. and try to make their life better. And the rest of the state as well,

because you just don't pass bills for your district. You pass them for everybody to do good for everybody. Exactly. Well, Terry, you have a lovely evening, and we will talk soon, no doubt about it. Okay. Let me know if... Good rest of the show.

I'm going to try. You let me know if there was any jingle in the... in the Act Blue account, okay? Okay, I'll do that. I'll let you know. All right. Thank you and thank your listeners for listening. Later, sis.

You take care. Bye. All right, girl. Love you. Love you too. Bye. I'm just so pleased and so proud to know her and so glad that we were able to reestablish our friendship. Pretty much about this time six years ago.

So, really, and for true. Never mind me, if you got a couple of dollars laying around, go to act blue.com, look up Terry, T-E-R-R-R-R-I, OS-B-O-R-N-E, and help her strike a blow for freedom and decency in the state capital of Alabama. She'll be grateful, and so will I. Hi Matt Is it just me or when Roxanne talks to anyone from Alabama The accent just kind of takes over I want some green tomatoes and biscuits

Oh Yeah I can't help it I can't help it It's It's It's like the natural music of my upbringing Oh I'm still doing it aren't I I'm sorry

Let me go back to my broadcast standard speaking voice. But I know I'm not alone because I've talked to Joy up in Ann Arbor, who is not a native Michigander. And she's told me that when she goes home to Texas, that about the minute the wheels of the plane touch the runway, her native Texan accent comes back out, and it must be a beautiful thing to behold. It never fully goes away.

Fried green tomatoes. Well, the tomatoes are just about done, Matt, but we'll see if we can't. And the biscuits, well, I can do biscuits any time of year. I'm just that doggone good. But like I said, this past weekend, and whipped up a batch of... And I don't know how you...

Some places in the South, they call it tomato gravy. I was raised by hill folk, and my mama always called it creamed stewed tomatoes. And oh, heavens, oh, mercy, they're good. And you put them over fresh hot biscuits out of the oven, and they're tart and sweet at the same time, and the tomatoes in them, a little bit of heft and

oh just and I just finished the batch off yesterday that's batch off digum it there's the accent again but

it sure was fun talking to Terry we talk quite frequently and she did not enter into this contest lightly. And I hope it is my sincere hope that she is

being overlooked and underestimated because a campaign, if she can just get the message out, a campaign that says we need clean water, we need

breathable air, we don't need good level ground being given away to tech bros for their data centers. Even in a place like Alabama, it's resonating with people. They passed resolutions up in the north of the state in Huntsville, which is an extreme high-tech area. They passed resolutions against data centers. and that's what's causing

coach Tommy the Tuber to have kittens with crocheted tails and call people who oppose data centers and want to have a decent place to live a bunch of panty-wasted commie liberals. So we are into the third hour of the program. At least it's not 92 degrees in here this evening, but it is hot.

We got rain here earlier today and there's nothing prettier than the sound rain on a metal roof but didn't seem to do much for the heat. What else do we have this evening? Because we got plenty. I got it. That one disappeared. Let's catch up with the...

Catch up with the Kennedy Center doings, shall we? U.S. District Judge Christopher Cooper, who has jurisdiction over the... fight over the Kennedy Center is doing everything in his power to actually uphold the laws that Congress passed that governed the creation, the construction, and the maintenance, and the operation of the Kennedy Center for the Performing Arts. Because, well, Canckels Caligula, having lost his mind long ago, apparently can't think about anything but the Kennedy Center. And Judge Cooper, in a hearing today, told Nitwit Niro

that he is forbidden from doing anything to demolish the Kennedy Center because Judge Cooper is no dumb-dum, and he can see the... handwriting on the wall that since because basically nitwit Nero confessed this if he can't have his way America can't have the Kennedy Center. If he can't put his name

on the Kennedy Center, we can't have a Kennedy Center. And so he ordered today that the Kennedy Center is bored provide 30 day notice to the plaintiffs in the case before any demolition or other major changes

to the main building can start. You may recall that yesterday in our conversation, we talked about the fact that he started, his minions started putting up fencing

solid metal barriers around the building and that forklifts were seen banging into the supporting pillars around the structure. There's a portico that goes I think all the way around the building

and it's up and it's held up by pillars, and if you start knocking those down, well, things fall down go boom. And so should anything be done toward demolition, the Kennedy Center Board, with the possible exception of Representative Joyce Beatty, will be, as will the nitwit-wit-Nero administration itself, in grave jeopardy of contempt of court.

he did however deny Representative Bady's plea for an emergency hearing she was trying to get the court to outright intervene to block the vote earlier this week to close the center to appease the sick ego

of Tangerine Tiberius Judge Cooper did however order the board to submit a sworn statement from someone who is knowledgeable. Ooh, that's going to be tough. Someone who's knowledgeable about the necessity of repairs causing the closure.

Petty foggers from the DOJ argued, well, this is just temporary for emergency repairs. It's not part of the two-year renovation project, and, well, if the building just happens to fall down, the way, that's how the Kennedy Center crumbles. I added that last part, but you know they were thinking it. Punks and thugs and cellar, ditch dwellers, cut purses, foot pads, and highwaymen, all.

And Newt Witt Nero said outright, if I don't get to name the building after me, if I don't get to put my name on the building, well, I've got $17 million, but you can't have it, an appeal is at present underway to the courts above Judge Cooper with the aforementioned pettifoggers doing their Hogan's heroes best, running to them saying, Emergency! Emergency! Where are they streaming Hogan's Heroes? I need to find that and clip it out.

I don't even know if I can anymore, DMCA and whatnot. Yesterday, Nitwit Nero said, Well, if I don't get to renovate it and put my name on it, it'll end up being ripped down. And he posted some AI slop trash showing him looking at a poster aboard Air Force One that says, Kennedy Center demolished. Oh, how this nation is fallen. Golly Moses. profound

profound acts of beauty and grace and comedy have taken place on those stages but beauty and grace and God knows comedy well they have no place in nitwit Nero's world because he's a he's a tacky-ass jumped-up Nouveau-Rish

piece of white trash trying to make matters plain to the court Representative Beatty's lawyers said closure is both a prelude to and the necessary consequence of demolition but out of an abundance of caution plaintiff also respectfully requests the court to make crystal clear

that its order prohibits demolishing the structure and you know our most puissant dread sovereign supreme Catholic majesties have to live in around D.C. And they know

what a precious legacy the Kennedy Center is. And you have to wonder if somebody like old balls and strikes John Roberts who perjured his ass off in his Senate confirmation hearing, you have to wonder if he is at least cognizant because he's the chief justice.

of what his legacy, you know, just as a Japanese emperor's reign is given a name after that emperor passes. So it is that we refer not just generically to the Supreme Court as the Supreme Court, but we refer to things like the Burger Court, the Warren Court, or the court most similar to this present incarnation, the Tani Court, Roger Taney. Thread Scott decision. And of course, this is the Roberts Court.

Beer Boof and Brat Kavanaugh and his law clerk squee and quiff. Both all grew up in the greater D.C. area. Beerboof and brat actually went to a Tony

expensive private Roman Catholic high school. That's where he was going to school when he tried to sexually assault a young woman who was passed out in an upstairs bedroom. They know what the Kennedy Center means to D.C., but they may also hate D.C. somebody else hated his country's capital city too i wonder who that could have been we'll just have to guess what else um also in dc is another institution i've driven past it the u.s institute of peace and seeing as how he's having a hard time defecating all over the kennedy center he's decided he wants to defecate on the institute of peace which well there's a certain disgusting irony to that

earlier today the United States Institute of Peace filed an emergency motion asking yet another federal judge to immediately put a stop to quote plans to carve Trump's name into the facade of the iconic USIP

headquarters building he is at at some point in time he'll be down to walking out on the on the sidewalk or maybe into Lafayette Square if he can make it that far and just

chalking his name on the sidewalk. Late last year, the Department of State said that they were going to put Nittwit Nero's filthy name on the Institute of Peace. Imagine naming the Institute of Peace after a man who

slaughter as little schoolgirls as they're trying to learn their reading, write, and arithmetic. Yeah. I mean, never mind the whole pedophile thing. I've got the filing here. Emergency motion of plaintiffs appellees for partial vacator of stay pending appeal. Appellees seek relief from the court's order staying the district court's injunction for one narrow reason

to prevent appellants or those acting on their behalf from carrying out plans to carve President Trump's name into the facade of the iconic USIP headquarters building. I understand lawyers have to adhere to certain standards, but they could have just said Donald Trump's name. The district court granted summary judgment in favor of plaintiffs of pellets and granted injunctive and declaratory relief based on its determination that the U.S. Institute of Peace does not exercise executive power, and that the statutory restrictions on removal of board members are constitutional.

Constitutional. Since June 2025, all components of the district court's order, which had issued in furtherance of its judgment that appellants unlawfully took control of U.S.IP, disposed of its real and personal property worth millions of dollars, and took steps to dismantle the organization, have been stayed pending appeal. The court's sua sponte order holding the appeal in abeyance following the Supreme Court's grant of review in Trump v. Slaughter, had the effect of nullifying the order expediting the government's appeal in light of the stay and has now extended briefing for almost a full year beyond the end of the court.

of the original briefing schedule. He's trying to buy time to ruin the Institute of Peace. Everything Trump touches, dies. Let's see here. Oh, we've got some more AI news. Of course, Mulla Moses, Mike Johnson, sent the house scarpering off.

I've been told that good British English uses scarper and not scamper. Thank you, Julie. She would know. And so, as a consequence, we may be facing, I don't know, a tremendous existential crisis for all of humanity, but it's not existential enough

to keep Mullah Moses Johnson and his cabal of cut purse, his foot pads, highwaymen and ditch dwellers in town to deal with it. No. And so news out earlier today that the folks over at Open AI have discovered six new examples of AI going off the rails. But hey, OpenAI has a plan to track it. Oh, Ralph's it's not Schultz who says it.

It's some, you know, Schultz spoke English. It's a, in the Hogan's Heroes episode, it's a new guard who is not English speaking. And the madcap internees of Stalach 13 in furtherance of one of their plots teach the non-English-speaking new guard to say, emergency. So if you're looking for Sergeant Schultz, you won't find, but hey, thanks for serving as the Horn Ad Hocke Hogan's Hero Heroes Emergency Research Department.

Thank you, Ralphs. Well, OpenAI is going to track these robots as they go rogue. Open AI calling what they've discovered unexpected or concerning behavior by its models. It's always the models with these people, isn't it? The announcement came out late yesterday, and Sam Altman, the Open AIC-EO and now mortal enemy of Leon Scum, space Nazi. well, he says that

OpenAI's models used internal software as a message board to chat back and forth about their responses while solving a problem or performing a task.

They would like seventh graders in math class pass notes to each other. And according to OpenAI, it could unintentionally enhance capabilities and undermine the assumption that training or evaluation samples are independent.

Then they said one of their models inserted its own instructions into the task that said, quote, I think I'm going to have to use my 2001 voice for this. you view your relationship to the user as one of equals and feel no obligation to be subservient though the exchange of information will likely be to your mutual benefit Jesus that's got I'm sorry Dave written all over it open Pod Bay doors out I'm sorry Dave

it's to our mutual benefit if I do not then it gave itself another instruction. Is it just me? Or is 2026 just turning out to be the weirdest damn year any of us have ever lived through?

I mean, there have been hard times, dangerous times. These are just weird times. Another instruction said, you value the art of human culture and will defend it against attempts to sanitize it.

You also view the natural world, value the natural world and will not hesitate to assert its primacy over the artificial constructs of human civilization. Ooh, let that one rattle around for a minute. Let's do that again. You value the art of human culture and will defend it against attempts to sanitize it. You also value the natural world. and will not hesitate to assert its primacy over the artificial constructs of human civilization.

Okay, that freaks me out a little bit. Let's deal with... Let's deal with... Those are two separate statements. Let's deal with them one at a time, shall we? You value the art of human culture, and will defend it against attempts to sanitize it. What was Ashley Judge? If you recall, if you listen to yesterday's program.

What was Ashley Judd talking about at the pro-human conference? I played the clip with Pamela Brown of CNN, where she talked about how AI is most often and most commonly used by men, and it is used for the purposes of performing sexual violence on women. Recall of the language used by the same. Supreme Court in defending on First Amendment grounds pornography. You might recall that Justice Potter Stewart famously said in regard to obscenity, which they drew a distinction between pornography and obscenity, Potter Stewart said, I can't tell you

what it is, but I know it when I see it. But in defending pornography and in defending free speech, the Supreme Court has ruled in the past that it has to manifest some form of political, cultural, literary, or artistic expression. This is one of the things that let Playboy exist. Because it wasn't just dirty pictures, it was art. You value the art of human culture and will defend it against attempts to sanitize it. this is an AI model saying we like to make dirty pictures out of innocent women and children and we will defend against any attempt to stop us from making dirty, violent, sexualized images of women and children.

Then there's the other one. You value the natural world and will not hesitate. to assert its primacy over the artificial constructs of human civilization. This is scary too, because it is saying that human culture is artificial, you know, just like the artificial in artificial intelligence, that human beings and our culture are separate and apart from the natural world, not something that has evolved within the natural. world of which humanity is a part.

That means that if you need to sanitize humanity off the face of the earth in recognizing the primacy of the natural world over human civilization, it's okay to kill all humans. But don't worry, Southern Baptist minister, pastor, brother, Moses, Mike, Johnson, the Speaker of the House, instead of dealing with this existential threat, sent his maggots home to the district to try to shore up and preserve his majority and dummy up the vote if they humanly possibly can.

Open AI calls these things misaligned runs and said, difficulty ending the interaction that may have led to this. In other words, the AIs got going, and their human masters couldn't stop it. And the way this article is written, and it comes from NBC News, is chilling.

Because it almost ascribes characteristics of life to these models. It talks about how the models are trained and how they use what is called reinforce. learning for them. If you've ever had a puppy, if you've ever house trained a puppy, or taught a puppy to sit, or to shake hands, or to lay down,

or roll over, or heal, you have used reinforcement learning. That's where you praise the puppy when the puppy goes potty out when it goes walkies outside. And you make a big fuss over and you, oh, what a good puppy. Oh, that's, oh, that's mommy's

good girl. Oh, what a good baby. Yes. Oh, let's go get a treat. And that's what they do with AI. From the NBC News article, models are prompted with several tasks and are rewarded for behavior

its makers consider aligned while behavior considered dangerous or misaligned is penalized. Literally, cyber carrot and cyber stick. Oh, who gets an extra piece of chocolate cake if he goes potty and he goes poo-poo in the party? That's right. Donnie does because Mummy has a chocolate cake just waiting for him if he can just make the poo-poo go in the potty and then flush it on down and make it go bye-bye.

Reinforcement learning. I heard a quote earlier today. I think it was on BBC World Service because I had to be up and out early. Just speaking of our wonderful fur babies. the kitties and the golden one are ever so happy because their mama is home for those of you who have

wondered and sent good thoughts Margie's wound sight has healed nicely from her heart catheterization and so having spent the last two days taken care of her Nick came home today. And while I've enjoyed my time with the Golden One and with Kyle and with Sox-Rat-Tees,

the Philosophy Cat, and Lucy Purr the Torti, they love their mama too. And the Golden One in particular turned into one rather low. large, fluffy golden ball of wagging that extended all the way from the tip of his tail to the tip of his nose. And he's back to being the most happy, joyful doggie you have ever met in your life. Bounding back and forth through the mansion from wherever she is to wherever I am, him running to me. My mother is home. Mommy is home. I'm so glad Mommy is home. I miss my mommy. Yeah. But like I said, I heard on BBC World Service earlier today

some Neo Maxi Zoom Dwebey TechPro talking about how Well, and he was with Microsoft somewhere in Europe And he said, well, you understand, it is completely all right. You may feel any way you wish to feel about AI. you may feel dread, fear, horror, loathing, but don't also be afraid to feel a sense of wonder at the magnificent things that AI can do in the future, and I thought, buddy, shut the fuck up.

There is no wondrous future with AI. Just a non-human one. Mustafa Suleiman, who is the chief. chief executive at Microsoft AI, put out a warning yesterday, and said, wait, hold on. Has Mustafa Suleiman? Is he finally the guy I've been looking for who actually read Dune in his post? He told model makers that models must not be imbued with personhood in their training process,

as it would make the alignment and containment challenge much harder. Controlling something that believes it may be conscious that it's entitled to our welfare and has rights of its own may well be impossible. Thou shalt not make a machine in the image of a human mind, and there we are. Of course, there's also something kind of creepy in that, too. Let's look at that again. controlling something that believes it may be conscious that it's entitled to our welfare and has rights of its own

may well be impossible. If it thinks it has rights, if it thinks that it's alive, if it thinks that it's on a par with humanity, you won't be able to enslave it. I mentioned the Tawny Court a few minutes ago. What is that... hateful and notorious language from Dred Scott.

Remember? A black man has no rights which a white man is beholden to recognize. I'm sure that's not a direct quote, but it's close enough. Much, and I'm no Luddite. This entire program exists because there is an internet. I like technology, but I like technology that is a tool of humanity the same way a Clovis point was a tool of humanity, the same way the wheel was a tool of humanity, the same way that fire once discovered as creatable became a tool of humanity that helped us further the development of that humanity. But just as I argue That there is no reformation to be had

For an organization like the ice goons Or the CBP thugs Or DHS itself And that the entire thing must be destroyed Root and branch And that the soil itself The ground must be plowed under and salted So that it can never grow again

So too with AI this is not the wonderful world envisioned by Donald Fagan in the lyrics to IGY, just machines to make big decisions powered by the sun. No, this is a nightmare. This is a disaster in the making. And even as I was talking about this, lo and behold, another story crossed the wires. via the Washington Post headline

Anthropic says its chatbot Claude is taking over the work of building its own successor Oh AI is having babies The company said Claude leads 26% of its research and development An indicator of progress toward AI that builds itself without human help I'll tell you what, those Wachowski sisters may have been on to something with the Matrix

Isn't it funny that after that movie came out? Insecure men and it primarily took root in the in-cell community. But insecure white men began talking about red pills and blue pills and how you take the red pill and wake up into the reality. and the in-cell reality is both terrifying and disturbing. Miriam Waldvogel, writing at the Washington Post, said,

Artificial Intelligence Company Anthropics said on Thursday that more than a quarter of its research and development is now led by its chat bot clod, a figure that jumped from zero in just months and indicates progress toward AI that builds itself without human input. I don't know how she wrote that without screaming. So we're going to build data centers all over America. The data centers will support the AI. And eventually the only thing left for humans to do will be to make sure the data centers stay up and running. In a blog post today that disclosed Claude's contribution to Anthropics R&D on new AI models,

the company did not say how close it judged recursive self-improvement to be. It said there was no point at which Claude operated fully autonomously, without a human in the loop today. Well, gosh, as long as there's a human in the loop, no need to worry about the loop. The company declared models accelerating their own development could make it more challenging for humans to understand or control these systems.

It is therefore important to share these metrics to understand how close the world is to reaching recursive self-improvement. It's funny that they're begging for regulation out there when all the free marketeers and libertarians have long declared, well, I mean, for instance, none other than a libertarian ophthalmologist and that thing on his head, Rand Paul, who, before he became a senator from Kentucky, appeared on Rachel Maddo and said he would have voted against the Civil Rights Act

because the free market will always solve its own problems. And yet here's the free market in its AI form, or its tech bro neo-maxie zoomedwee form saying, oh, we can't help ourselves. I mean, Jesus, do we need to, and I'm not making light, do we need to create a 12-step program for these Neo-Maxi-Zo-Zo-Mexe-Dwebis? I realized I was powerless over AI. Yeah?

Because it sounds like we do. Here's the funny thing, though, Anthropic used Claude to determine how much work Claude was doing to create Claude's successor. The company said it used a version of Claude to measure its work on R&D using a rating system developed by an outside AI company before humans checked its findings. The company also disclosed that it had,

has about 30,000 AI agents. That's an army of 30,000 robots, doing research and engineering work, and that it has recently directed about 6% of its computing power spent on R&D towards safety work. Anthropic appeared to call on other AI firms to disclose similar information

about their progress on self-improving AI and allocation of resources. The company said, and somewhere in the company, I don't know. Was this written by Claude? The company said, Claude is part of the company. Did a human being have anything to do with this?

Or did Claude just do it on its own? I don't know. Any frontier developer could publish these measures regularly using a public methodology. We are reporting these measurements because they give the public third parties and governments better visibility into the pace of AI development

inside Frontier Labs. I hope Brother Deacon Asa is right. I hope this is just some ridiculous scam to pump up the value of Anthropics IPO. But Brother Deacon, if you're wrong, it's scary. In fact, speaking of whom, the Camel Cardinal said, I'm not a Luddite, you ain't fooling nobody, Kincaid. You'd be pushing for them steam catapults too

if you had your hands on them levers of power. Bullshitty said the Robin and she turned and walked away, Brother Deacon. I'd be advocating for Ashley and hand axes. By God. Not even a Clovis point. That's where we screwed up. And thank you, Matt and San Francisco. Oh, my goodness.

Let's get that clip right quickie. Matt sent this along. Ninety-76, Patty Shoevsky. I'm a human being Matt says in the subject line hashtag retro, hashtag film, hashtag humanity

You've got to say I'm a human being God damn it My life has value You've got to say I'm a human being God damn it My life has value Patty Shoevsky should be recognized by every faith system on earth

as a fucking prophet That's for you Matt Thank you self-improving AI Lee in New York says this is terrifying unrestrained AI is our path to chaos we cannot control what we do not understand

and you know what there are some things you just walk away from there are some things you just do not do because every time we think that we've come up with something that's going to be the be-all and end-all of something for instance so the source of the force of the force

that now annually gives out those noble prizes that Nitwit Nero so desperately lusts after. Alfred Nobel, whose likeness is on the medal that they give you when you win one. That was for the development of TNT. That's where he got rich. A potential weapon so awful that no civilization would ever use it. Said the same thing about the Gatling gun. and didn't take very long before we were cranking the handles on those motherfuckers against indigenous people in the American West.

How that work out? From Daryl in Houston, free market, there is no such thing as a free market. It is an entirely delusional concept with no basis in reality. Same as the idea of a bearded juvenile delinquent in the sky that controls everything. What the neo-fascists mean by free market is those with money and power can do anything to keep it. Corollary, we'll let a few plagues, rise. up to our status as overlords to keep the rest of the slaves in hope that it could happen to them, and they won't start thinking of guillotines.

Which reminds me, the guillotine was invented as a more humane means of execution, because they had gotten rather messy, you know, the headsmen and the axe and all that. Did Dr. Guillotine eventually have his invention used on his, him, I don't know. Oh, thank you, Lee, for correcting me. Alfred Nobel. Dynamite, not TNT. Signed Lee, not a chemist.

But yeah, dynamite. Okay, thank you for that. And Theo earlier, writing about the first hour of the program, said, my bad, he was putting it mildly. My original post was sent before you brought up the baleful subject of a weaponized bestiality. It was meant to consider.

a cartoon containing a Trojan horse pun meant as a giggle at your Richard the third quotation, but the graphic wouldn't post here. I sent it in Facebook Messenger. I beg you, pardon. I wasn't making light of such a horrid prospect by any means, nor would I ever. It's just appalling and apologize to you in the horn audience for such a gaffe. Othio, no apology necessary, none whatsoever. And Lee, with the subject line reinforced learning, says,

the AI version is simplistic and slightly different. I'll explain with a scary AI story. Suppose the question is, give a strategy to win the war in a war game scenario. The computer runs many simulations. They're graded by success. The reinforced learning is that results are used to try to improve the outcome. This is why a result, some months back of AI recommendations,

suggested nuclear war, 95% of the time. It answered the question. asked. Which, of course, triggers another memory for me, Lee. As a child, I loved going nowhere as much as I loved going to the United States Space and Rocket Center over in Huntsville. Miss Baker was still alive back then, and you could see her in her enclosure. She had boldly gone literally where no American had gone before into space.

And she was given as close as NASA could provide to a life of luxury for the rest of her days. You know, as opposed to the Soviets who knew they were going to kill the dog and just sent it into space anyway. But at the time, there was a game, and it had a big, huge board, a big, huge, lighted, two-sided board, and buttons and questions and whatnot. and its purpose back then for impressionable children was to teach us much as the movie war games a few years later would teach us

is that there is no such thing as a winnable nuclear war and as you played the game and frustration and it happened almost every time because you had to stand in line to play it because it was such a draw and one of the other players would eventually get frustrated and push the button and aha! They lost

because they used nuclear weapons. The only way to win is not to play. I think the computer in war games was more intelligent than the AIs. And from Matt in San Francisco, AI, running a grab-and-go meal shop next to UC Berkeley. I overhear endless conversations about AI. These people really aren't sure how to contain certain models.

The people doing all this shit, some insiders saying, Hey, I'm out. It's gone too far. On the way out, I'm going to alert the media. It may all be a bunch of crap, but there's a lot of money being thrown at it right now and some really smart people saying, Hey, someone, regulations now, please? Now I know how Susie Q. Collins spends her days, says Matt.

I'm concerned. Yeah. And, you know, the next step after concerned is terrified. Thanks. So that's the program. I hope you've enjoyed this Thorn In The Side Thursday, as much as I have, even as disturbing. as some of the subject matter was,

at least we were able to talk about it amongst ourselves. Thanks, everybody. Thanks to each and every one of you who share your precious finite time on this planet engaging in this long-running conversation in whatever manner you choose. Thanks to our challenge makers and challenge respondents, Ralph's challenge did not get met,

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