Head-ON With Robyn Roxanne Kincaid - Head-ON With Roxanne Kincaid, 25 March 2026, Prayer Meetin' Wednesday

Episode Date: March 26, 2026

Gregory Bovino: Cherokee Princess. His parents got him one of those feathered headbands when he was a kid (mine got me a replica hat of a Union Cavalry officer). While I didn't believe I was a Union Cavalry Officer, Bovine Gregory decided, at the tender age of 8, that he was a real, live Indian. And went on to torment indigenous Americans. Screw him and his roadside indigeneity. Good Christian MAGATS on parade! Now we know why Nitwit Nero stole the top secret dox and hid them in the MAGA-Loco potty.   P.S. The U.S. is broke.  P.P.S. Anytime David in Oregon calls is bound to be exceptional!

The password is Moo. Here we go, live from behind the corn phone curtain. It's head-on with Roxanne Kincaid. Three hours of cussin and discussin with America's only liberal transvilly elitist right here, right now, on the head-on radio network.

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very kindly. Thank you all for helping to keep this independent experiment in liberal progressive broadcasting on the air. And, well, where do we find ourselves? We are at 2760, $2,760 to finish the month of March fully funded, 2760. And that gives us today, tomorrow, and Friday, and then Monday and Tuesday. We've got five days to round up 2760, and that is a daunting challenge, but perhaps we might yet take a chunk out of it. Yeah. So fingers crossed and thanks in advance. So let's, well, let's deal with the password right off the bat. I saw this. Actually, I picked up on this and didn't get to it in Monday's program. It's still fresh enough, though.

God. It turns out that Bovine Gregory, formerly the commander at large of the Customs and Border Patrol goons, well he's got a a bit of a history yeah it's kind of wild even oh damn it

let me see here where did I tuck it away by the way it is a prayer meeting Wednesday here on the horn lovely little fellowship hall dinner down in the fellowship hall

where the little old blue-haired ladies and the little little blue haired men and little old blue-haired envies it got together and did a did a did a homemade hillbilly lasagna dinner and it was very very good a lot of sour cream in the hillbilly lasagna it's it's really tasty and the garlic bread and all the trimmings and yeah and of course of course dessert yeah um bun cake this time with hot fudge drizzle and the deacons fell on that like a well it like a like a like a plague of uh um olyaginous well never mind it that's not ruined dinner just yet but uh we've since

run them in here to the cathedral of common sense and well um they're down here in front and we'll pass the plate here in a minute um well we'll pass it during the entirety of of the program and work on that 2760. So, no, bohine Gregory, it turns out, well, by way of explaining it, I can't tell you the number of people, white folks, almost exclusively white folks, especially down south, who'll say,

Well, you know, I got a, I got some, I got some Indian blood in me. I just can't prove it. And as often as not, they will claim relationship to some, some mythical Cherokee princess. That's not to say it doesn't exist, but, well, in my own, it existed in my own family. and I was told growing up that, yeah, and then I did my 23 and me. And like I joked before, my 23 and me results came back with an invitation to join a certain party that is obsessed with whiteness. Because there ain't no Indian in me and there ain't nothing else but just plain old garden variety white. Western European.

So there we are. Apparently, the same thing, because the password was moo, happened with Bovine Gregory, I think, as far back as 2018. He's about to retire. And, well, what a pity we can't criminally charge him and take away his pension. But there had been a lawsuit involving some really vile language, and he testified therein that he couldn't possibly be a racist because he himself was part Indian. No, really. There it is. It took me a minute.

I'm sorry sometimes. But here we go. the backstory on it is that of a oh hi i'm roxan did i do the hi i'm roxan i'm a little rusty i was on i was gone for a day um well um the lawsuit was in 2018 and bovine gregory was accused of discriminating in his hiring practices for members of Customs and Border Patrol had sued DHS saying that he gave, Bovine Gregory did preferential treatment to less qualified white male agents. That's when he testified, well, I couldn't have done that. I'm part Indian myself.

Well, here's the irony of it all. bovine gregory's goons would have hauled bovine gregory's daddy out in chains if they didn't murder him outright because he was an he was an immigrant from italy hence the bovino i i felt pretty sure that that wasn't part of the cherokee language or any of the other southeastern no nobody he said that uh he uh he uh he uh he identified as a native american since he is eight year old uh in the in the proceedings he was asked well are you an enrolled member of any trouble no no and he went on and testified well hell i'm say i'm so much of indian that when i was giving out performance awards at cbp i'd give out little tommy hawks

no really yeah he's about as Cherokee as I am Chickasaw or considering where I grew up Choctaw Jesus reminds me of something a dear friend of mine said years ago he is a real live no kidding Native American and he would introduce himself to groups and saying hi I'm Matt I got some white in me but I can't I can't prove it Yeah, okay, sure. And he's just basing it on the fact that he was born and raised in western North Carolina. Where everybody's a Cherokee? Well, no.

No, he's not. So how he got away with perjuring himself in court over that, he never presented any DNA evidence. No. And by the way, nitwit Nero has never, uh, mocked him calling him perhaps sitting bullshit as nitwit Niro mocked Senator Elizabeth Warren, who was a far better human being, far more educated, far more informed, and far more humane than bovine Gregory will ever be.

Elizabeth Warren, you might recall, actually did have a DNA test that showed that she had indigenous genetics some generations back. But bovine, Gregory's daddy, Mike, was actually the son of an Italian immigrant named Vincenzo. And he came to the U.S. from Calabria in southern Italy at age 12. His mother, Vincenzo, his mother, and his three siblings were allowed to immigrate in 1927 because their father, Michel, had moved to the U.S. without them in 1909. when there weren't any restrictions on Italian immigrants. But no.

No turkey. Sorry. I just, I saw that story and it just sort of stuck with me because the whole idea, I mean, that's the indigenous version of, well, how could I be a racist? I got friends who are black.

Well, yeah, you caught me out, Brother Deacon, garden variety, Western European. That's not entirely true. You said you had some Egyptian and or North African, and yeah, I bet they said, you know, it's like 0.2%. And the best I can figure out is that some member of the legions, because they like, the Rome like to ship its legions away from their home space. so probably got sent to ah you know the colonia which would become colm alone in germany or got set up into into great britain and the rest is history god they're so disgusting but we have a lot to catch up on because i was gone for a day no i said i got to learn some new things um we were in nelsonville ohio and I confess my ignorance.

No, going back to we got some Indian blood. Micah said, Mom told me we had Indian blood and then we got tested. Nope. This is good. Wait a minute. Where's my rim shot? Damn it. Things open.

Try this again. Ah, it reverted. Damn you. Yeah. that's for mica mom told me we had indian blood then we got tested no just sparkling spanish other stuff too but we're guessing that's where the indian features come from yeah i don't even have any indian features to look at no no not at all um on a couple of notes just to begin the begin the program before i dive into the weeds of history from dave number 11 best gas

in Merca. Humboldt is winning the petrol wars, $7.69 a gallon for premium at the nearest pump. I'm certain it's twice as good as before. Did you know California doesn't refine its custom blend gasoline from American crude? Guess where our crude comes from? That's right. The Middle East. I did not know that, Dave. But it's probably a better quality than, you know, what we Yeah. The sludge that we pump and then used it and then claim, we're producing more oil to anybody. Yeah.

My condolences, my sympathies. We're putting, we're getting, we're getting close to, depending on where you buy your gas. We're getting close to four bucks a gallon here. Of course, that's based on the, I guess, good old Merkin AAA sludge. Yeah. Oh, and a little giggle just to just to start things off, courtesy of Jeremy. Maga was right. It ran, it started too quick. Okay, here we go. Maga was right, and it humbles me to say it.

I don't know if they got a crystal ball or what, but my MAGA friends told me during the 2024 election that if I voted for Kamala, gas prices were going to spike, grocery prices were going to go up and we were going to be at war with the Middle East all within two years. Well, I didn't listen. I voted for Kamala. Hasn't even been two years and every single one of those things happened. Yeah. Damned if you didn't. Damned if you done. Thanks, Jeremy. I don't think that's exactly how it played how it played out. Oh, there's a fun one. And since we're mentioning the burning of fossil fuels and whatnot. A new study, we talked about how much CO2 went into the atmosphere as a result of the first two weeks of the war.

I think that was on Monday. Well, Marshall Burke, an environmental scientist at Stanford University, who's done some new research work, says that the United States, since 19, 1990. Okay, so, granted, me, ciphering on the fly, not great, but that's 36 years. In the last 36 years, the United States, all by our little lonesome selves, has caused $10 trillion worth of climate damage. That'd probably even make Leon Scum's eyes water just thinking about $10 trillion. billion dollars but here we are and we have caused greater harm to worldwide economic growth than any other country and we've uh even china can't keep keep up because they've only done nine trillion dollars in gross domestic product damage since 1990 and here's the here's the punchline about

25% of those 10 trillion dollars worth of damage, by my calculations, that would be $2.5 trillion worth of gross domestic product dampening. We did it to ourselves. Yeah. Of course, the other $7.5 trillion, we took that out on some of the poorest countries on earth. We've caused $500 billion of economic damage in India and $330 billion in damage in Brazil. Professor Burke said, we have a lot of responsibility. Our emissions have caused damage not only to ourselves, but pretty substantial damage in other parts of the world. Well, I'm sure that

NITWitt Nero immediately run barking and grunting to Stanford and call it. The study was published in nature today. And it measures loss and damage. And then, well, then there's this, which is troubling. A little something, something out from the Treasury of the United States, you know, run by Scott Besant, nitwit Niro's Treasury Secretary.

Yeah. According to Fortune magazine, and this is the headline, the Treasury just declared the U.S. insolvent. The media missed it. The U.S. government is insolvent. That's not hyperbole. It's the conclusion drawn directly

from the Treasury Department's own consolidated financial statements for fiscal year 2025 released last week to near total media silence gee I wonder why the numbers 6.06 trillion dollars in total

assets against 47.78 trillion dollars in total liabilities as of September 30th, 2025. Yeesh. Those are the kind of numbers where you put up one of those

going out of business, everything must go, even the furniture, cheap. And here's the kicker on all of that. That $47.78 trillion doesn't even include Social Security or Medicare. Yeah. We had $2.07 trillion of deterioration between fiscal 2024. and 25. But remember, nitwit Nero is a surefire,

no kidding, real live, honest to goodness, business man. Oh, wait. He's bankrupted himself. How many times? And you thought it, and we thought it was bad

that he could bankrupt a casino, a money factory. and look what he's doing to us. Total liabilities are now nearly eight times the value of reported assets. The largest drivers were a $2 trillion increase in federal debt and interest payable, now $30.33 trillion, and a $438.8 billion increase in federal employee and veteran benefits payable now. This is, let's just say, worrisome. Yeah, sorry.

message. Oh, we in New York says, ancestry is not 23 and me. Your DNA is not your ancestry. I explained this previously. Please exclude the repetition. Any person has the chance that they're genetically distinct from one of the grandparents. Here's an easy way to see that you lose DNA from your ancestors.

Get eight packs of eight color crayons. Sort them by color. Each color is a great grandparent. Take two boxes. Put 16 crayons in a bag. Take out eight crayons. That's your grandparent, repeat for your other three grandparents, repeat the process for grandparents to parents, and then parents to you. If you do not have eight different colors in the final selection, you have lost great-grandparent DNA. That does not change your ancestry. Roxanne, you may have or may not have a DNA going back to your first West Virginia ancestor. That does not define who your ancestors are. Well, I don't know who, I don't

know whose DNA it would be then. Sorry, I'm being. see. There is some Kentucky in there. And of course, before 1863, Virginians. But no, the chances of me having any indigenous heritage are nil. Yeah, let's just say nil. But yeah, Lee, we did have fun. Patterson Hood is an amazing talent, a fantastic storyteller, great guitarist. He shared the stage with a man named John Morland, and if you've never heard him, do yourself a favor and give him a listen. An absolutely brilliant writer and performer. But it was nice because Patterson was hanging out before the show, and I got to speak with him and caught up with old times. He and I went to when we grew up in the same town, had a lot of similar experiences, went to junior high together.

It was fun. I mean, Joe was wonderful seeing him. And his set was amazing. And yesterday was his birthday. So the entire crowd at Stewart's Opera House in Nelsonville, Ohio, serenaded him with happy birthday. And he stood there and just beamed. It was fun. But like I said, I learned so much about that area.

Oh, yeah, we'll get into the nastiness of prayer meeting Wednesday here just in a minute. Yeah, Kevin in Massachusetts. Insolvent $88.4 trillion in unfunded Social Security and Medicare. Oh, they've got a plan for that, for sure. You just don't want to know what that plan is. Yeah, that's him, Ralph's, John Morland. Thanks, Ralph serving as the Horn Ad Hoc, John Morland Research Department. He's just an amazing performer.

And he's toured with, well, Patterson had never toured with him before, but now they have. And in fact, Patterson said last night that that was his first solo show ever in the Buckeye state. And so I was tickled to be present for that. It was just a nice little trip. It's only about 50 miles over to Nelsonville. And like I said, it sort of, because I can't, well, Victoria's figured this out by now, I can't go anywhere without wanting to know the history of the place I'm in. And among other things, and these, and there was a huge going concern, a shoe factory.

Brooks, the first boys shoe brand was in Nelsonville, and that's not to be confused with the Brooks athletic shoes from the Great Northwest that are made in Vietnam. No, that's from the heyday of the American industry and American manufacturing and American skill and American craftsmanship and probably union jobs. Well, more on that in a second. They had a little, well, you may be familiar with Rocky Boots and Georgia Boot and Durango Boots. Yeah, those are all part of the same company. And so the old factory has been repurposed into the Rocky Boot outlet and tucked away in a corner of it is, lo and behold, no kidding. And that's where we went before the show. a little barbecue joint

because I will I'll try I'll try barbecue anywhere and always compare it against the real thing from down south well it was southeastern Ohio though so maybe that counts but it's darn good barbecue pulled pork

had the brisket Victoria tried the smoked chicken pulled chicken with the Alabama white sauce which amazed me to see on the menu but by job they did a respectable job with it but afterward we went over to the town square in nelsonville where i read the historical marker of the great hawking valley coal strike of 1884 and 1885

and if you're as much into labor history as i am you read something like that with a certain degree of, well, sadness and grief, because it always seemed, it would be, what, 45 more years, 47 more years before FDR would find his way to the White House and working people would finally be treated like human beings. I'm just trying to, I'm just checking here to see who was president in 1884. Yeah. Grover Cleveland

was elected in 1884, inaugurated in 1885. Before that, Chester A. Arthur, the vice president who replaced James A. Garfield, and Ohioan, no less. Well,

here's what happened. The coal miners, of whom there were many, because in the aftermath of the of the civil war there was an industrial boom as the union what had been the union ramped up its capacity and capabilities new rail lines were being laid constantly industry was booming in pittsburg and wheeling in cleveland and they needed a lot of coal And so those coal fields opened up and required lots of labor. And the coal companies were paying about 60 cents a ton for coal mine. That meant that, and, you know, no mechanization, these are men underground with, with picks and shovels and dynamite and poison gas and slate falls and the like.

And so the miners being treated like draft animals organized in an early union. This is so typical of America. The coal companies responded by unionizing themselves. They formed a union of coal companies. They called it the syndicate or in, say, Italian. syndicato they banded together into one great big coal company and looked at the miners and said oh you don't like 60 cents a ton how about 50 and the miners said well screw that and went on strike at which point the coal companies immediately began importing scab labor mostly immigrants shanghai to the hocking river

to the Hocking River Valley to replace the American coal miners and of course there were no labor laws to speak of and they got away with it and eventually when the strike ended well the returning miners the ones who at least got their jobs back

were rewarded with 40 cents a ton oh it was a dirty business because the checkweeman who was, of course, an employee of the company, a man would put his, it was a brass check with his number on it, and they'd always subtract a certain percentage of the weight, claiming that there was slate in the bottom. And they also compelled, anybody who's ever seen Mate 1, the great John Sales film knows this,

they were compelled, the miners were compelled to shop only at the company's store and purchase necessities of living at wildly inflated prices. And hey, we fucked the country. Here in 2024, a large number of us fucked the country over the price of eggs. Of course, in the here and now, they'd probably say, they don't need no union, they need to be glad they got some jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs jobs but it was fascinating to read about and the miners were squashed like bugs and their fellow americans the corporations who were doing it to them were more than happy to squash them

grover cleveland by the way was the first democrat to be elected president after the civil war democrats and republicans were very much different back then, but the country had had its fill of Chester A. Arthur. He had managed to reform the civil service, but, well, working people could go and screw themselves. So that's my little history lesson from the trip. But that's Appalachia, too, across West Virginia's river. The hills and, well, they're more like rolling knee hills as opposed to mountains, but they had a lot of coal under him. A lot of people died. But one of the things I found interesting, I've become spoiled, I guess, over the decades.

It seems like there's an entry for everything at Wikipedia. Not for the Great Hocking River Valley Coal Strike of 1884, 85. The only thing there was stuff from the Ohio Department of History, which seems a pity. but one of the people involved in that strike would go on to become the first secretary of the nascent United Mine Workers of America. You know, there's a benefit to knowing the history of this country. Every time we fire up the brass bands and go marching down Main Street with all the red, white, and blue bunting, and the fireworks and whatnot, and the hot dog. and yeah well there's a lot of blood tears misery behind that that have nothing to do with the wars we've fought

in foreign lands one of the things I thought about as I as I read up on that strike was I wonder how many of those American men were actually veterans of the Union Army it was after all when the when the strike began it was only 19 years after the civil war so it's almost guaranteed that some of them were civil war veterans and as they toiled under the earth i wonder how many thought huh i laid my life on the line so i could come back and die in a gassy hole for some rich man's profits you can see how ideas like socialism and communism might catch on under those circumstances and in those conditions but again there's no there i wonder if anybody's ever done a phd on it or anything

because god that'd probably make a pretty damn good movie too you know between mate one and the molly mcguires those are the two great um the the the Cole Wars movies. I still hope someday somebody will make a big screen movie or a massive streaming series about Mary Harris' mother Jones. But there is so much history of this country that is relevant to today, just as a for instance, you know a question like how much would 60 cents be worth today and again that was a per ton rate not not a per hour rate yeah if one calculates inflation at 3,234.5% between 1884 and 2026 60 cents a tonne would be be about that 60 cents would be about 20 bucks.

And we're still battling in the year of our Lord 2026 for $20 an hour, not $20 a ton. But see, that $20 didn't mean much because you had to spend it at the company's store where prices were through the roof. And of course, there were no health care. no benefits, no retirement. Apparently a single, strong, and experienced miner could move roughly five to 20 tons of coal in a 10-hour shift, and he worked six days a week.

It didn't matter. He always wound up broke because the housing was by the coal company. The groceries were from the coal company. Tools were from the coal company. And as often as not, a man would go to pick up his payday, and he would get what was called snake. just a straight line on the amount because he was already so far in Hock to the company. Ah, hell, the more things change, the more they stay the same. And from Dave in the Blind, I have an announcement we've been kicking this around the shop for a while,

but we've got a new game show here in Taliban, Dian, and if your family tree has crushed, lost that one there. More than twice in the last two centuries, then you two can join us for our live Hoosier Dad. In our first episode, we proved that Donald Trump and Vletter and Putin are closely related. We have yet to see if they'll be charged within either jurisdiction. Who's your daddy? Okay. Jude has made a poster for the No King's protest.

She will be attending on Saturday. She said, with the help of FedEx and a carpenter at my work, who put it all together, the photo is on both sides. It's that photo of the woman being assaulted and injured by the ice goons in Minneapolis. She said it was on the cover of The Economist a few weeks back. This photo was seared into my consciousness. This terrified woman was the one ice agents dragged out of her car after cutting off with a knife, her seatbelt,

noticed the thug trying to push the journalists away. Yeah, we don't want you to see this. The ICE test. America's paramilitary peril. Trump and Stephen Miller's America. But enough of that. It was nice to get away for an evening. But, well, like I said, it's a pyramid on Wednesday.

And I've been saving some really, really profound instances of, American Christianity at work for this day. Goodness me. Oh, let's start down in takes ass, shall we? They had an evil jellical summer camp outside of Fort Worth, Texas, and it was run by a fellow who was named Blake Bowman, is named Blake Bowman, who siphoned off. oh,

about cool million dollars. Yeah. And then, well, for a meeting Wednesday, because he's a good Christian. Naturally, he used some of the money to subscribe to a site

with pornographic content. Yeah. And now he's looking at 198 years in the joint. He paid for a subscription to only fans. He was executive director of the evangelical summer camp run by Pantago Bible Church, Camp Thurman, founded by Thurman and Iva Roxburgh,

who said it was a demonstration of their love for God and their adoration of children. And over the years, over the years it grew to hosting thousands of children a year. It was pulling in around 1.8 million a year. He expanded the camp, raised it up to $3 million a year, got another million in gifts, was paid $74,000 a year, and, well, that was not enough

because he, well, he was a busy man, and good Christian, and he just needed some release, you know, with only fans. girls. But kind of pales in comparison to Zachary King.

He's pled guilty down in Kentucky stand, having been arrested in July of 2024. He had an ongoing sexual relationship in the name of Jesus with his underage victims, starting when she was 15 years old and running for a year and a half.

He was the executive pastor at Lex City Church. Well, he entered a guilty plea not long back to first-degree rape, first-degree sodomy, procuring or promoting the use of a minor by electronic means. And while the guy in Texas is looking at 128 years in the stir, well this guy he won't face anything near that the church meanwhile said today we're writing a letter that no leadership team desires to write through thoughtful prayer and heartfelt tears the leadership team of lexton chitty churches voted to permanently cease our ministry due to the continued effects of the financial situation our church inherited several years ago and the impact of the ongoing

investigation of a former staff member there he was their executive pastor y'all we've lost the ability to remain financially viable and fulfill our god-given mission well you know maybe it's better you don't have a god-given mission since the last time you had somebody pursuing it he was sexually assaulting and sodomizing an underage girl for a year and a half. I've been up down backwards and forwards and sideways in the Gospels and I can't

find where G-Bas said to do that. No, no, I can't. But we're far from done. Let's go to Florida. Where, my goodness gracious,

Robert and Jacqueline Dell, J-A-C-L-Y-N, are in big trouble. But at least they didn't sexually abuse anybody, children or adults. No, they were just running a hot tool ring for years. They were running an addiction recovery ministry. When they met some folks who were trying to get clean of the dope, and maybe they did and maybe they didn't,

but along the way they looked at, uh, the dells and robert and jacklin preachers of course and said hey have i got a business opportunity for you will steal tools from home depots all over florida and then y'all be in good god's good god fear and upstanding bible believe in christ-centered evil gelical gun-deminalist ammo sexuals uh, Christians, uh, you can, uh, you can sell them to the public on eBay for, you know, less than they'd spend at Home Depot. I mean, it was measured in massive amounts of money. And they've been busted. Stand by.

Yeah, there he is. The, like I said, the Home Depot theft ring ran for years. Oh my goodness. the photo of Robert Dell there in his court appearance. Scowling, in the name of Jesus, at the camera. They fenced him on eBay. They brought in more than $2 million over the course of eight years. He's going down, Robert Dell is, for racketeering and money laundering.

And Jacqueline, his 18 years younger wife, is doing one fellow. on account of conspiracy to commit racketeering. The people in recovery were delivering the stolen goods to their home in St. Pete. They met them through an addiction recovery program. They helped lead at the Rock Church, where Robert Dell was a preacher. Yeah. Even Grandma got in on the act. Robert Dell's mama, Carindell, age 74, helped package the tools for resale.

And she was charged with dealing in stolen property. Pathetic. Jacqueline Dell was a Fulbright scholar. She went to England to research addiction. Got a master's in psychology at the University of South Florida, St. Petersburg. even ran a lab at USF, and she said, I didn't know these were stolen goods. God Almighty, their handle at eBay was anointed liquidator.

My husband had a business and asked me for favors, and I had no reason not to trust him. I mean, I struggled with addiction in the past, but I sober for 13 years before I relapsed. I've taken these five weeks to open my eyes, not just to this case, but to my life. I realize this is not the life that I want. This is not who I am, and this is not who I want to be. Honey, it is who you are.

And the name of Jesus. But that's not the best one. Oh, no, no, no, not by any stretch of the imagination. No. For that, we have to go back to the Buckeye State. Ohio. This is one of those that you just can't make up. It has to do with a fellow by the name of State Representative Rodney Creech, who is from West Alexandria, wherever that is.

Well, representing Creech, he's a, he is. He truly is a good God-feared and upstanding Bible, believe in Christ-centered evil, jellical gun, a mentalist, ammo, sexual Christian. because he's a Republican. And he has spent an awful lot of time trying to protect the public from a horrible, horrible danger, namely drag queens. Of course, it's drag queens.

In the name of Jesus, he's terribly, terribly concerned about who poops and pees, Right. But his latest effort is to co-sponsor House Bill 249 in the Buckeye State Legislature, the Indecent Exposure Modernization Act. I guess he wants to modernize indecent exposure. Is AI involved?

Will there be robots? No, no, no, no. It's another drag. ban because these good god peer and upstanded bible believe in christ-centered evil jellical gun to mentalist ammo sexual christians can't stop thinking about drag queens and trans people who are not the same by the way for the most part no well there's 42 co-sponsors on the bill but brother creach is on is on there and uh well back in 2023 a minor female romewomeness relative. That's how the news story reads. A minor female relative, I think we can probably

translate that as daughter, said that good old Rodney climbed into bed with her, with a stiffy, whilst wearing nothing but he's under-roos, and said that Daddy was rubbing her legs and grabbing her waist, according to NBC4. He said, well, I did get, my goodness, such a defense. Well, I mean, I did get in bed with her with my underwear on, but I didn't, I, they wasn't nothing sexual about it. He admitted it. But oh my goodness, the special prosecutor, special indeed brought in to investigate it, declined to file charges. However, in declining the file charges against a man who admits that he crawled into bed with an underage girl in nothing but his underwear, the special prosecutor Daniel Driscoll said, his behavior during the time of the

investigation was concerning and suspicious. A creature for his part said, well, this is demonstrably false, even though he had already admitted part of it. Well, that brings us a little further up in time to March 19th when they had a hearing on the afore-referenced modernizing indecent exposure bill. Oh, the irony. Looks like the goddess of irony is going to get another rubber chicken sacrifice to her at midnight tonight. But at a hearing on March 19th, there in the state house in Columbus, Daniel Fiersich, she's director of public policy for Planned Parenthood of Ohio, was there to testify on the perniciousness of the bill and the unconstitutionality of it. And she got right to the point. She said, I also don't want to be lectured about when it comes to what is obscene or not to children.

You have a man who was just put back on this committee. who was accused of sexual misconduct with a minor, who is a sponsor on this bill, you all let him have his committee privileges back. Ooh, that must have stung. Because initially, the House Speaker, one Mark Huffman, had stripped Creech of all of his committee assignments and asked for him to resign.

Creech for his part said, I ain't going to do it, in the name of Jesus. And so in February, having had his... his bluff called Speaker Huffman gave his committee assignments back to him and then signed a letter requesting that the Republican Party of Ohio endorse Brother Creech for re-election. I don't know about how you, I don't know about you in reading between the lines, but, well, me, sounds to me like Brother Creech got to Brother Huffman and said, what's this i hear about you and the things you like to look at on your computer here in the

state house be a real shame if that got out wasn't it so now he's running for his fourth and final turn representing house district 40 uh yeah meanwhile the two primary sponsors of the bill representative angela king of selina and josh williams of sylvania township they went to protest an LGBT plus pride event in her district Angela King's district and I'll bet you our friend Dana over in Ohio knows exactly which

this pride event was because it was also attended and there was representing Angela King and representing Josh Williams standing right alongside the Aryan Freedom Network, a bunch of Nazis. The Buckeye Flame photographed her at the event, and meanwhile, representing Williams, is also sponsoring another bill that codifies the idea of, get this, parental alienation in Ohio law,

as it turns out parental alienation was the excuse that brother creech made when his daughter said that he crawled into bed with a stiffy i'm assuming it's his daughter i think it's a safe bet uh and uh because it says parental alienation uh yeah it was a case of parental alienation she was alienated for me and and she said I touched her when all I done was crawl into bed in my undies with a stiffy. So now representing Williams, who attended the anti-LGBQ Plus rally, you know, with the Nazis, is trying to get a bill passed that codifies, like I said, parental alienation that his buddy, preach had used to try to get around creeping on his daughter. And again, this is another one of those bills that will be used for purposes, not as they are written in the bill itself.

What they do, what the bill does is it expands the definition of adult cabaret performance to include, quote, performers or entertainers who exhibit a gender identity that is different from the performers or entertainers, biological sex using clothing, makeup, prosthetic, or imitation genitals, or other breasts, or breasts, I'm sorry, there's no other there. That was a screw up on my part. Using clothing, makeup, prosthetic, or imitation genitals, or breasts, or other physical markers. Drag performers who testified said, this will ban drag performances, pride parades, and other expressions of gender nonconformity from any of any

venue where a child might be present. Guess what it'll also do? It'll criminalize a trans person who exists in public if a little kid says, look, mommy, a human being could be forgiven for thinking that they just want to erase a tiny minority of the population from existing in Ohio. curiously enough we had no problem but thank god brother creach wasn't there although i must tell you this was a fun little moment during the concert last night there was a woman seated at the end of the row where victoria and i were um there at stewart's opera house and golly what a wonderful space it is acoustics were fantastic um but she was seated at the end of our row And eventually Patterson played one of the well-known tracks from one of their albums.

It's called Putting People on the Moon. It's a story song, a ballad of sorts. But Patterson updated one of the lyrics. The song originally came out during the reign of error under W. but he changed that lyric to and now this maga motherfuckers in the white house

the crowd roared and the woman sitting at the end of the row got up and laughed don't know that that's why but she did they're dainty souls the maggots are. Hey, I've lost track of the time. We're into the second hour of the program. We're still a goose egg. We are at 2760 to finish the month and badly need to knock some of that down if we humanly possibly can.

But look, it's our friend, it's our friend David over on the old holler tree line. Hey, David. Hi, Roxanne. How are you? I'm good. How are you? I got a little break yesterday. I'm feeling pretty good about it. Yeah, I know. I saw your picture on Facebook. Aw. Yeah, that was the concert. I just got home, so I missed the first hour and 15 minutes. It was a great show. One of the best shows I've seen in ages.

I forget who you went to see. I'm sorry. It was Patterson Hood and John Morland. Patterson Hood. I'm not familiar with Patterson. Patterson Hood's the. front man for the drive-by truckers and comes from my hometown and really tells a great story and song. He's worth checking out. Did you go to dinner anything before or after? Yeah, we had some barbecue before. And that was about it. A pizza after. Domino's has messed with their sauce again.

It's sweet now. And they don't deliver there. Dominoes, oh, in the area where you were, I was able to say, Dominoes doesn't deliver anymore and spent an ages since I've had dominoes. Lucky you. Well, I hope you had time to, like, not think about this madness. Well, I- At least for a couple of hours yesterday. I did, I did, and you said you just got in, so I did.

I was talking earlier about the fact that, yeah, I can kind of put things behind me a little bit, not completely because lo and behold, you know, it turns out that that town has a history of a significant strike back in 1884, 85, and a human being could be forgiven for thinking that not much has changed. You know, they brought in scab labor and broke the union and no law to prevent it. it and yeah yeah i i don't know if it's a function of like where i grew up like geographically in the country but i thought we were passed further further past in this country where it appears we are i i i think it might have been where i grew up though oh that could be part of it but also i

think you have to take into account david the idea of retrograde motion okay steps or one step forward, two steps back? Yeah. Okay. It's, it, you know, any, any gain that labor or ordinary people ever make is subject to attack by the money. Okay. Yeah.

Yeah. And, you know, ever since Reagan, I mean, the labor movement, I mean, probably before that, like, but really significantly since Reagan, their labor movement has been, I mean, since like the mid-70s, I guess. The labor union movement in this country has been under. Well, what the late great Scott Marinoff would have called a TV viewing tip, if you ever get the chance and you haven't seen it, I highly commend to you the documentary Harlan County USA.

And that... You're fine, like... Yeah, that depicts a brutal labor struggle in eastern Kentucky. that really, you know, so often is so often the case, especially in the coal conflicts, you know, the union says one day longer than the company, and it used to be that way. But when you get into the 80s and the 90s in West Virginia, Massey energy, all the, massy energy for all intents and purposes shattered the United Mine Workers of America. there were once in West Virginia alone

well over a hundred thousand union members and mechanization came along and mountaintop removal came along Massey came along and now there are I think less than 10,000 it is to say the least a shadow of its former self well I mean the labor union the labor movement provided the American

the American people in the working class, the ability to organize to affect the political environment in which they live. And corporate didn't like that. And so they decided that they were going to spend as much money as they possibly could to crush any sort of like fledgling democracy here in the United States. I wrote a paper in undergrad for my employment labor law class about, I forget what the premise of the paper was, to be honest, but I correlated the, I correlated the decline in the labor movement to the rise in political PAC money in the 1970s. And interestingly enough, it's in the mid-1970s when the Supreme Court started to dismantle the election protections. The Buckley v. V. Vallejo was decided in 76.

and then that's what opened the door to corporate tax, if I recall correctly. And it's been just a downward spiral ever since then. I mean, Buckley v. Vilejo is where is literally the first stepping stone towards Citizens United. I mean, they were working towards Citizens United since the decision. And the thing is, you know, you might recall Moscow Mitch McConnell's, The autobiography is called The Long Game. And it applies not just to him, but to his party as well. They have the patience to play the long game.

They don't want, you know, they don't, they don't, they don't, they know they can't get it all at once. So they'll just chip away at it over time. It's like what you and I talked about some weeks back. The first job that the current Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of the United States, ever had in a presidential administration was in the Nixon administration, and he was tasked with dismantling the Voting Rights Act. And he's been working at it ever since. And he never gave up.

And here in a few months, he will probably get his fondest dream come true. And the Voting Rights Act will be for all intents and purposes a nullity. and it will make it will make you know the republican masters who tasked him with that are long since dead but it will it will be the completion of their dream you can't really talk about this topic without talking about what 1972 the Powell memo Lewis Powell writes the memo saying that we need to leverage the money and power of corporations to fund right-wing organizations that we will push our agenda forward.

And out of that, you get things like the Heritage Foundation. And it was, and he talked about controlling media, controlling print, controlling the airwaves. And lo and behold, a little bit after that, Lewis Powell gets a seat on the Supreme Court of the United States. Well, what do you think about the notion, Roxanne, of they have the money to wait? like on our side we are perpetually in a state of like trying to survive where it's like there's an urgency almost that we need stuff to happen for us and they can that they have the patients to wait because they've got all the money and the resources they've got the money they got the resources and most importantly they've got the time and you know once upon a time

there were the newspapers of the great american metropolis metropolis would have a labor section in the paper. They would have a labor editor, a labor beat reporter. And that's not something I have ever experienced in my entire life. It all went away. And part and parcel of that is that Republican conservative policies were designed to make it harder for working people, poor people to survive, so that the money that the left did raise had to go to fill in the gaps left by the government abandonment of the people. So, you know, you don't have money to put out a labor newspaper or run a labor-oriented radio station because people are fucking hungry.

because people need heat in the winter. People need clean drinking water. And it all got repurposed onto 501c3 tax-exempt organizations that were trying to meet that need as best they could. And it's not like the union could provide any support because of the Supreme Court decision. I can't remember the case where union dues were voluntary, is that, you know, mandatory union dues were illegal. Yeah, it was theft. It was theft to put.

But the funny thing is, I mean, that was so Orwellian. The union dues are voluntary, so the assholes who don't want to pay their union dues don't have to. But by the same token, the union still has to represent them as if they did. Right. Exactly. Exactly. And then, of course, oh, I had a point and I forgot it. that my train left without me. I'm sorry, Roxanne.

No worries. It happens. It happens. But, you know, if you look at, well, classic example, the Black Panther Party for self-defense is born not out of a need to engage in violence, but out of a need to defend communities against state-sponsored violence. And along the way, feed people, educate people, make sure that. that children have somewhere to go and something to do after school when their parents are still at work, that sort of thing, social support, that government should have been doing all along.

Yeah. And then not only that, then they come on the back end and modify the curriculums at the state level so that children aren't getting educated. with the critical thinking skills they need to be an informed citizen. They're being trained for corporate hierarchy and, you know, for menial labor to support, you know, the capitalist class. And I do, I do, I did remember growing up with the San Diego. I don't think I don't remember when the San Diego Union

and the San Diego Tribune merged but I remember when I was growing up in the San Diego Union Tribune after the two papers merged there was always there's always been a business section but I do not remember a labor section

and there's a reason and we don't teach labor history I mean in a state like West Virginia the fact that every kid doesn't have to learn the history. I mean, this is the core of West Virginia history, the mine wars and the resistance to corporate abuse of working people. But you're, and never is, never is heard a discouraging word and the clouds are not city all day. Sky. Yeah.

Whatever. I remember when I was in, when I was in fourth grade, we had to go. like fourth and yeah fourth grade we had um we had a week in my fourth grade class at old town San Diego we were just learning about the the the the the the the presidio there in San Diego and the missions and stuff like that of because that's integral to California history and we started learning about that stuff in fourth grade it's surprising to me that that's not taught as like West Virginia history in West Virginia. That's actually.

In many ways, it's treated as better left unsaid. It's like not too far from where I live just down the mountain. There's a historical marker about the hawks nest tunnel disaster. Up until Bo Paul, it was the largest industrial disaster in history. The Union Carbide Corporation wanted to drill a tunnel through Gawley Mountain to provide hydroelectric power to its plant-down river. The mountain, of course, was made of pure silica, and hundreds, if not a thousand or more people, most of them African-American, died from silicosis. The companies knew about silicosis and black lung in the coal industry. a couple of at least a decade before any of this happened and just like the coal just like the the the the the the the the the the the the the the tobacco companies just like the tobacco companies they suppressed that information one one doctor diagnosed silicosis and was basically run out of town one guy tried to write a history back in the 40s or 50s of the my of the uh hawksnest tunnel disaster

and the publication was pulled. It simply was not allowed to be known about. By whom? Well, by the power brokers inside Union Carbide. And by the way, it would be the same Union Carbide who would perpetrate Bhopal in India surpassing in terms of disasters, the Hawksnest Tunnel disaster.

I mean, it feels like to me that the working class is just fodder. Right? They don't view us. They don't view us as people. But they know inherently and instinctively, and from history, if they have an understanding of history, they know that when the people come together, that that is what, that's what puts them in their place. That's what checks them. That's what checks their money. And so they're definitely afraid of that. And we're seeing that. And we're seeing that. that with this with the Save America Act. They don't want us to vote. They don't want us to. No, this is as plain and out there as they can possibly. Yeah, they're not, they're not even trying to hide it anymore.

But in fact, it's not, it's nothing new. As far back as the late 60s, early 70s, Paul Wyrick, the father of the modern conservative messaging movement, the guy who invented, who invented direct mail for the maggots or Republicans, sorry. I mean, same same now, but not back then. He said, listen, we don't want people to vote. When people don't or can't vote, we win. It's there to be found.

And I mean, you mentioned that they're not even doing this in the dark anymore. They're doing it right there in, in, out in the open. And I think they might be taking a gamble on. I think they might be taking a gamble on believing that their propaganda machine has worked insofar as convincing the American people that democracy is the problem. Even if it's not set out loud like that, I think the subtle implication is that they are gambling on the majority of the American people not wanting democracy anymore. and I think they may have some evidence given the last couple of elections that at least some of the American populace is abandoning democracy as an organizing political philosophy. At some point, something has to give. But what they don't understand is the truth of what JFK said, those who make peaceful change impossible make violent revolution inevitable.

But here we are not even learning that lesson all over again because you got Nittwit Niro running around out there saying, well, I'm going to take Cuba. I don't know if I'm going to free Cuba or I can take it. I can basically do anything I want. And I mean, he is such an asshole. I mean, eventually, though, the people are going to realize, like you said, the people are going to realize that the strong man that they're voting for, the strong man that they're supporting, the strong man that they are, that they've given their votes to to protect them.

Because honestly, what the American people want is protection from the predatory nature of neoliberal free market capitalism. Because the market, the invisible hand of the market is running everything where it's supposed to be run by, you know, our democratically elected representatives. and they're, so they're voting for this strong man to, like, protect them. But when they realize the strong man is working on behalf of the corporations that are screwing them out of everything in the first place, that's when they can't, when they start to not, when they look around and said, well, nothing is getting better. That's when the riots happen. That's when, you know, but this time it's going to be, it's going to be, it's going to be

The pull, it's, I don't know. It seems like we're headed on a track towards something really, really awful in this country. Well, and I don't know. I don't know. I don't know what wakes the conservative theorists up, David. But that underreported story that I was sharing earlier before you came in, the United States is insolvent. The story came out about two weeks ago. What do you mean by insolvent?

Let me, let me pull the, like we don't. I'll let's see, there'd it go. The story came out of Fortune magazine. There it is. Because that sounds chilling. It's terrifying. You know, Fortune,

fortune, not known for being a bastion of liberal, you know, to the barricades, communist, whatever. The article is by a guy named Steve Hank, who is professor of applied, economics at Johns Hopkins and who should be on CNN

who should be on right and Barry now these are the people that they should be getting and not the political yeah Barry Polson and John Merrifield of public debt sustainability well okay

headline the Treasury just declared the U.S. insolvent the media missed it so here are the numbers we have 6.0.0.0. We have 6.0.0.0. we have 6.0. $406 trillion in total assets against $47.78 trillion in total liabilities.

That does not include Social Security and Medicare. Oh, my God. Can you give me those numbers again? I'm sorry. My brain didn't process that. 6.06 trillion dollars in total assets against $47.78 trillion in total liabilities. No, that that cannot, that cannot be. I mean, what I mean is not that it's not true, but that that is not, that's not the way to, that's not fiscal conservatism.

That's not, but David, wait. That we should be managing our, our, our public fisc. But wait, that's an old number. That's as of the close. That's as of the close of the previous fiscal year on September. 30th, 2025. So it's six months. Those are, that's number six months.

And that's not, then that's not factoring in. The, the billions of dollars that Donald Trump is, is setting a light in Iran. Right. Or just generally stealing a few weeks. Right. Right. And it, and the thing is, the article goes on to point out that the situation, worsened by 2.07 trillion between fiscal 2024 and fiscal 2025.

What's it going to look like on September 30th, 2026? And this is the world that Republicans have built for us. This is the world that neoconservatism and neoliberal predatory capitalism has left us and our children. But you know, you know, the lesson that will be screeched from the rooftops whenever they're finally ready to talk about it, Social Security and Medicare must die. Even though they're not part of that number.

Right. I was going to say, even though that they have a, even though they've got, you know, the, oh my God, why am I blanking on my words? The, not the slush fund, but help me, Roxanne, help me. What, the trust fund? The Social Security trust fund? The trust funds, thank you. Yes, they have the trust funds that George Bush

borrowed all the money out of to fund Iraq. You remember that? Sure. But here's the fund, here's another fuzz. Part of the liabilities are owed to the trust funds. Yes. The, yeah. But meanwhile, the GAO

for the 29th consecutive year said we can't tell if the statements are fairly presented. So we don't know if the accounting's right, basically, right? Yeah. And generally when they say something like that, they don't mean, oh, no, I'm sure it's better than this looks. Wow. Wow. Yeah, that reminds that when you were when you were when you were when you were telling me those numbers and it was what 6.8 trillion versus I'm sorry again versus 40 something trillion in liabilities. Yeah, 47. 47.

Okay. So the G. So the G. So the GEO is saying, ah, it could be 47. It could be 52. It could be 61 and 78. You know, we don't know. We can't tell.

But the article, the article does try to, because, you know, when you're talking about trillions, you know, people like Carl Sagan and other, you know, other, other astrophysicist types have said, you know, we can't really conceptualize numbers like that. So this article tries. under this rubric, a household that earns 52,446 and spends 73,378, runs a $20,932 annual deficit. Its total liabilities and unfunded promises amount to 1,361,78 against just 60,554 in assets, leaving at $1.3 million in the whole. Uncle Sam by any accounting standard is insolvent. Oh my God. Oh, my God. Well, I mean, that reminds me of something that I read in Jacobin the other day. I shared it on my blue sky.

It was the title of the article was called How Global Finance Drove Deindustrialization. And they, Jacobin interviewed Anne Petaphore. I'm trying to remember her credentials. says the world's most authoritative and one of the world's most authoritative and consequential voices on the themes of global finance, debt sovereignty and sustainable economics. She wrote the she's widely credited for having predicted the 2008 financial crisis in her book, The Coming First World Debt Crisis in 2006. It says here that she led a campaign,

she led Campaign Jubilee 2000, which resulted in the cancellation of $100 billion of debt for more than 30 of the world's poorest countries in 2000. And she's been the main inspiration behind the Green New Deal. And it was an interview with her, Ann Pettifor, this economist, I'm assuming she's economist, that she's, that she's, basically, she's basically said that in the global financial system, there's like three or $400 trillion in financial assets, meaning debt, right? Like securities or, um, uh, like, uh, rights to, rights to repayments, something like that. Because, I mean, basically when we're

talking about a financial asset, it's, it's, it's, a marker on it it it's a marker on money that someone owes someone else right that i mean that's basically and correct me if i'm wrong right but in my understanding of financial assets it's it's basically like if you were to go to your bookie and and place a bet and he sells a note on that on the, and then you go and sell a note on those winnings, right? Something like that. Right. Sure.

Just to just maybe I'm, maybe I'm meddling up the metaphor. But 300 and 400 trillion dollars in financial assets, she says, while there's only a hundred to $110 trillion in real income from the real economy globally. So basically three or four to one, there's, we have more debt than we have actual assets that are actually backing up the like that are acting as collateral on all that debt. So I mean, we've built a house of cards with this global financial system that actually incentivizes a resource extraction to keep it all humming. And then if the debt ever comes due, there aren't there aren't enough.

There's not enough real, real resources. on the planet to cover everything, to cover all of the debt that's been leveraged against it. I mean, and that's just, I mean, it's, it sounds exactly like what the United States is doing. I mean, we've got only six billion dollars or six trillion dollars worth of assets, but we've leveraged, we've used that to leverage, what, five, six times that, seven times that. as if perpetual growth is something that's sustainable forever and always. And it just doesn't make any sense. The fundamental underlying assumptions of capitalism don't make sense. Logically.

Well, you can start with the fact that capitalism is predicated on the infinite availability of resources. In 1776, when Adam Smith wrote the wealth of nations, that he could be forgiven for that assumption. And he saw capitalism as an actual remedy to the short-sighted mercantilism of his era. Right. I mean, I'm not disagreeing with you. But the thing is, resources are finite,

and the world is a smaller place now. There's not infinite lithium. There's not infinite copper. There's not infinite iron. I mean, hell, I was involved in resisting an attempt by a mountaintop removal magnet to dig a trench 20 miles long, 1,500 feet deep and a half a mile across through the pristine hills and waters of northern Wisconsin. for iron ore from a meteorite or a meteor or I forget how you I don't know the difference either but but you know somebody wants it and anybody who's ever had the misfortune of reading A.N. Rann's horrid toome Atlas shrug you know

That's that book that the little libertarian boys should have been masturbating instead of reading. We've talked about that in the past. People like Peter Thiel. I remember when Eddie Munster, Paul Ryan, said that he gave that away to all of his little congressional interns. And the first thing I thought was, Jesus Christ, the sex scenes alone. Oh, my God. but one central you know a central I'm Marenov you

Yay You did It means almost every time I call now I don't work at it but I work at it But that that book contains a couple of really Stupid aspects One of which is A copper

You know how labor organizing Had to be stopped at a copper mine in Chile. And another part of it was the notion of oh, I forget what like what was it? Somebody knows like green copper. I don't know. But it was some sort of

miraculous permutation on copper and how it was going to change the economy and all of that. And Oh, it's just so horrid, so terribly, terribly bad. But, you know, that's where the whole who is John Galt thing comes from. Yeah. And how the, you know, the, the objectivists were going to grind the economy to a halt until the poor people understood that they don't fucking matter. And here we are.

That whole philosophy, it just doesn't make any sense, Roxanne. It's not logically coherent. And the thing is, they've been propagandizing us for so long that we can't, we can't, we can't see that it, like, it's just we've accepted it as common sense when it just doesn't make any sense. The, the, you're right. I mean, the perpetual, I mean, perpetual extraction and exploitation of everything is not sustainable as a model. of civilizational, a model, it's not sustainable to model our civilizational progress. It's just not possible. There may be, I mean, if we were to transition to some sort of sustainable economy, but even that is going to take a lot of resources that are right now going to

war. Like you were talking about iron ore. I mean, how many, how many, how many, How many, how much of our resources are going, like literally, our resources, the shit that comes out of the ground, the labor that people input into production, the, I mean, how much of that is going to perpetual war, right? How much of that iron is going, how much of that iron ore is going to making steel for the, for the battleships and the fucking, and the bombs and shit, right? I mean, we have to fundamentally rethink how we operate as a human family, or we're all going to die. I mean, and this perpetual extraction to fund this like war apparatus because it's, that's what's good for the economy and that's what's going to, it doesn't make any sense because it's not going to, in the end, it's not going to create a, it's not going to create a society where people can live.

or a planet where people can breathe. No, and on top of that, what I'm ranting? I feel like I'm ranting. No, no, no, you're not. You're sincerely not. You haven't gotten to the tearing at your hair and running around the room screaming part yet. Believe me, I know it. I'll know it when you get there.

But there is so much graft and so much corruption. I'm sure you've seen over the last few days where nitwit nearer. said, the Iranians are saying they really want to negotiate now. And the Iranians said, the fuck we did. We don't want to talk to you.

And we sure don't want to talk to your shitty little real estate developers that you're trying to pass off as negotiators. And this kind of blew my mind. The Iranian said, no, we're not going to talk to Whitkoff and Kushner anymore. No, just no. We read.

But this was the one that made me wonder if somebody'd slip something in my drink. We'd rather negotiate with J.D. Vance. What? Hide the couches. Hide the couches. Exactly. Maybe they hope to bribe him with a, with a, with a lazy boy. Well, oh, okay.

I was thinking an overstuffed Chesterfield or whatever. But, I mean, so dig this. Now, I mean, we're talking about all this theft and graft. So when nitwit Nero said that and before the Iranians could say, no, no, we didn't. A weird little thing happened. Billions of dollars in S&P and oil futures trades were made literally five minutes or less before Trump announced the Iran talks. And then lo and behold, somebody cleaned house.

Who was it? Melanoma? Trump? Somebody for Eric Trump? So yeah. I mean that that's that's Trader Todd. Insider.

And it's not the first time that it's happened. Oh, that's not surprising. Yeah. It's well the I'd like to say that the graft is stunning. It isn't. Right. It's rather ordinary.

rather run-of-the-mill common place. It's any day that ends in Tuesday. The BBC puts it thusly. Oil traders bet millions minutes before Trump's Iran talks post. It wasn't even an announcement. It was a planned post

on tripe social. Traders bet hundreds of millions of dollars on oil contracts just minutes before the U.S. President Donald Trump announced on Monday that the U.S. US would postpone strikes against Iranian energy infrastructure. Market data reviewed by the BBC shows the volume of trade spiked around 15 minutes before a

social media post by the president announcing the move. A social media post. It's not like there was an announcement that the president would be having a press conference or anything. The price of oil fell sharply after the announcement, dropping 14% in a matter of minutes. traders who bet on the unexpected move would have made a fortune. Of course they did. Of course they did.

I'm just, I'm looking up online who regulates commodities futures in the United States. The Commodity Futures Trading Commission. Yeah, that's, that's what, that's who have, that's what, that's what, that's, who have, refused to offer comment. They've refused, they've refused. Uh, well, decline, decline, decline. Decline. Commodity Futures Trading Commission. There is some serious questions about all of these futures trading going on.

That seems like people had insider information. Maybe look into who did that? No. No. They're not going to do that. Who's the chairman? Let's see who you are. Michael Selling, chairman of the Commodity Futures Trading Commission.

He assumed office on December 22nd, 2025. So here are the dirty details. He was nominated by Trump. Okay, yeah. The markets, when they reopened on Monday morning, the price of oil started to climb again. But at 7.04 a.m. Eastern Daylight Time, before the markets opened,

nitwit Nero ran to Tripe Social and typed in all caps, very good and productive conversations over a complete and total resolution. Well, that was 704 Eastern Daylight Time, David. At 649 Eastern Daylight Time, traders placed 734 bets on WTI crude oil contracts on the New York Mercantile Exchange. A minute later, the number had gone to $2,168. That's around $170 million. But then they start buying contracts for Brent Crude, and between 648 and 650,000, the volume of trades ran

ran up to 1,650 about $150 million in contracts and the BBC went and 15, 20 minutes before. Yeah, and the BBC looked and said, data for previous Monday shows it's far fewer trades and normally made it at time of day.

Yeah, the traders are just, it's Monday. They're just sobering up. but from their all weekend Coke binge. Yes. If not more. Oh my God. This is so dirty. Yeah, that that smells of corruption.

I mean, it just, it smells like, it smells like bullshit. But it's not the first time it's happened. And you've got these predictions. I'm certain it's not. But I wanted to sort of double back on something you had said earlier because we were talking about, you had mentioned the word derivatives.

And I've been nosing around just because I find it immeasurably stupid and corrupt. These predictive markets. Oh, my God. the ones where you can place a bed on birds on a wire or anything else well what a little bit of reading and add to that problems in comprehension english major uh it turns out okay so we were supposed to have learned the lesson back during the uh the the bush great recession that derivatives are probably kind of sketchy Yeah, absolutely. I mean, there's the reason why I took a financial institutions class in law school because I needed to get my head wrapped around what happened in 2007, 2009.

Right, so you know, and we know that derivatives are not a good idea. Well, guess what these predictive markets are? it turns out their giant derivative trading houses on the stupidest possible topics. Right. But every now and then, somebody will place a bet with one of the two, what is it, Kalshi? I don't know. I have, yeah. But there's already been multiple instances of somebody with inside information.

making an absolute killing on the predictive markets. But the problem is what goes up also comes down. That was kind of the lesson of the derivatives problem of the late aughts. And holy shit, combined with the insolvency issue, the standard stock market skullduggery that we've been talking about here, and a predictive... They're making money out of thin air, and this has the potential. You know, everybody knows, I think, the lesson of the market crash of 1929 when, you know, when barbers were borrowing on the margins and then the margin call came and the bottom fell out.

Well, this is the potential for that here because, again, unregulated. Right. I mean, this is the kind of thing that could make the Great Depression of 1929 look, look like a walk in the park. Absolutely. No, 100%. It's, it's, it's, yeah, let me, let me collect my thoughts on that for a second, if I could. Yeah, no, that is, no, 100%.

And these financial instruments, And all of these, like, predictive algorithms and the cryptocurrency and all this shit, I mean, people are, the issue is that all of these, all of these risky financial derivatives created by lawyers, by the way, all of this shit is created by lawyers. lawyers have to write the laws that allow these financial instruments to come into being. Lawyers have to write the laws, I'm sorry, have to draft the contracts upon which all of these financial instruments are based. I mean, and the problem is all of these instruments are tied to the U.S. dollar. and when it collapses, it's going to collapse the U.S. dollar. And I think I read something that the other day, and I'm looking for it, where some tanker was allowed to the Strait of Hormuz because they purchased their oil in the yuan.

And I'm looking for the... I saw that, yes. Yeah. And I'm like, it feels like to me, and I need to do, I need to do a lot more thinking about this and I need to do a lot more research. But it feels like I'm positing a hypothesis at the moment. It feels like the poobaws, the people that move the big money, you know what I mean? The people who we don't know their name because they don't want to be known because they have enough money to not be known. It feels like they have given up on a. and are moving all of everything to China. Yeah, but that's going to come as a brutal surprise because for years now, responsible responsible government and people who actually understand how this shit works have pointed out that the problem with the wand is that Chinese artifici, that China artificially inflates the value of the one relative to the dollar.

So it's not a real number. By the way, I've been corrected by... But all they have to do, all they have to do with the yuan in China is to unpeg that from the dollar and then all of a sudden they have another reserve currency that they could use. If that does not collapse the one in the first place.

Lee in New York just pointed out you called them you called derivative is kind of sort of sketchy the first two of those three words are entirely unnecessary I appreciate the editorial help I want to play something for you here because there's always a there's always a I've always got a movie angle and no less so than in in this moment you've probably heard me mention countless times over that one of my favorite comedies of the 20th century, and favorite comedies of all time, for that matter, is 1979's The In-laws. Peter Falk, Alan Arkin, the madcap zany comedy.

I mean, anytime I need to pick me up, I just watch it, and I sit there, gaffawing. But underneath it is a real plot. and whoever wrote this script understood some financial stuff. So the plot involves mild-mannered Sheldon Cornpet, a Manhattan dentist, who gets dragged into the absolutely insane plans of what we come to find out, who we come, come to find out is CIA agent Peter Falk as Vince Ricardo. And I know I put far too much store in this, but so after having been chased around Manhattan by men with guns as he tried to retrieve a black bag from Vince's office because Vince has, has brigaded him,

Dr. Cornpad from his practice. Yeah, it won't take long. I just need you to go to my office and retrieve a bag. You know, I can't be seen doing it. You know, it's like because of, you know, because of competitive secrecy, you know, like Macy'sies and Gimbles. Oh, yeah, okay. Yeah. And that's where Sheldon opens.

The safe in the wall is behind a pin. picture of JFK that says, Dear Vince, at least we tried, John F. Kennedy. And he asked him, what does that mean? At least we tried. Ah, Bay of Pigs. You were involved with the Bay of Pigs? Involved. It was my idea. That would have worked, too. So the shit has hit the fan.

Sheldon Corn Pets losing his mind. and Peter Falk, Vince Ricardo, explains to him what he's up to because previously there has been a theft of plates from the U.S. Mint that are used to print American money. It turns out that's what was in the black bag that Sheldon Corn Pet did. Okay.

The stolen plates. So we'll pick it up there. We're in a cafeteria in Manhattan. These things don't exist any. But anyway, a couple of minutes. Worth your time. You think I'm bullshitting, don't you? No, I don't. Well, they thought I was bullshit.

Who thought you were bullshitting? The CIA. I told him. I said, fellas, the thing to do was to rob the US men. Really robbed? Profession with real gangsters and real guns. Get the engraving, go to Central America, smoke out the action, and nail those bastards. They thought it was too risky.

It turned it down. down. Wait a minute. Wait, wait, wait, wait a minute. The CIA turned this down? I thought you were doing it for them. I am. Well, then they're behind you. No, this I did on my own. You robbed the United States Mint on your own? The CIA thought it was too crazy? Too risky. So you went ahead and robbed it on your own with gangsters? You committed a federal crime. Of course it's federal. The Treasury Department is on the case. So what happens if you get caught? We won't get caught. Not if he's not a piece. if you get caught is the agency going to come forward and say it's okay he works for us no no no i'm out poor sheldon already has a powder burn on the shoulder of his doctor's coat white doctor's coat

from where he got winged trying to steal the plates and it is it's hilariously funny but there's a point coming that i think you're going to you're going to be able to connect the odds on i swear Is the agency going to come forward and say it's okay? He works for us? No. No. No. I'm out in the cold on this one, Shelf. If I get caught, they shred my records. They say they never heard of me, and it's 20 years in the slammer. What about me? I was the one running through the streets for that goddamn thing. I was the one in the gutter. And you were tremendous, Shell. The way you handled yourself, I can't tell you how impressed I was. No, I mean this.

It's been something I've been wanting to say. You were sensational, Shell. And it's an act of friendship that I will remember for his long. long as I live, which could be about an hour. So what do I got, an hour and a half? You have nothing to worry about your innocent victim. How so? I know the cab driver knows it. We both say it. What happens to you?

Oh, I'll manage. Listen, I've been in Tougher James before. You know, back when Kennedy was president. You saw the picture in the office? Yes, I did. He was crazy about me. I was very impressed. Honey, do you have a check? Listen, let me ask you about that picture.

What did that inscription mean? At least we tried. Bay of Pigs. I referred to the Bay of Pigs. You were involved with the Bay of Pigs? Involved. That was my idea. I'll get this show. Worried about the check. The Bay and Pigs. You win some, you lose some. Listen, you want to be home in about an hour?

Why? I want to make sure we get that engraving out of your house. What engraving? Last night I thoughtlessly left one in your basement. An engraving? from the bag in my haste in my basement why are you getting so excited why am i getting so excited the central piece of evidence is the biggest federal crime since the atomic spy case is sitting in my basement you want to know why i'm getting excited go back to your lunches do i not him in your business

shirley i'm getting to that sit down well we didn't we didn't we didn't get what i was after but that said um what he explains is that he's stolen he's stolen he stole in the plates because a cartel of, of course, Central American dictators wants to flood the world with American currency, counterfeit currency, thereby causing a collapse in faith in the currency leading to a global financial collapse. And he says, it'll be terrible. There'll be a tonal music. I don't know what's going to happen when a six-pack of Budweiser costs $1,200. And Alan Arkansas, oh, that'll be terrible. Yeah.

That's what's going on here. Right. But, I mean, the mechanisms I think are, and correct me if I'm wrong, but the mechanisms, I think, are a little bit different, right? Like the- Well, they are. I mean, this is pre-the-computer era. They had to mess around with engravings for printing bills. Now it's just pixels or bits and bytes. And not only that, but like the financial instruments that are being created that act like money that are tied to the currency.

So when they collapse, it has this, it has a same or it has the same or similar effect. Yeah, it's not even a knock on. It's the same thing. Right. I mean, that financial data shows us. that whether we like it or not, we're all subject to a fucking margin call. Right.

On shit we don't own. Right. And they've commodified everything so that they can sell securities on everything. I mean, I wouldn't be surprised if I went into, if I went on to the internet right now and did a search for, commodification of student loan debt, they're probably selling derivatives on that. And there is no asset at the end of that at the beginning of that chain. It's not like a house.

It's like it's it's someone's education. It's not like you can do a margin call on the knowledge that someone gained on David's brain. Right. There's no asset at the beginning of at the beginning of at the beginning of that securitization chain. And so when it all

collapses, there's nothing underlying that other than David's promise to repay his fucking $265,000 student loan. Just took the breath out of me. Yeah. No, you're absolutely

right. And by the way, Darrell and Houston notes derivative trading should be banned. Here's another little wrinkle in the derivative market that is predictive betting, one of the two, neither of the two primary platforms actually ban insider trading, but one of them actually encourages it. Let that sink in. Oh, my God.

And while we were talking, I was looking at the latest update update. on the five minutes before the Tripe anomaly. Yeah, now the number is up to around $2 billion in profits. Oh, my God.

That were, that all of a sudden they had someone had some insider knowledge and $200 billion now someone's made off of the commodities future. This is the moment when you, you know, when you, when you, it's almost irresistible to play Sherlock Holmes. And, you know, who, who would, who would Trump tell? Susie Wiles? No.

J.D. Vance? No. Who does he trust enough? He would tell Jared fucking. Jared fucking Kushner. Because I wank it is, I wank it is the one he loved. Right. And then Jared Kushner's whispering it to his buddies in Saudi Arabia and Dubai and fucking Abu Dhabi or whatever the fuck. Who if there is a sliver of honesty to be found anywhere in this bullshit, those guys have a vested interest in wanting to believe that the shooting's going to stop because their shit's getting missled.

Right. You know, the economy, the economy of Dubai, the economy of Dubai is garbage just when they were getting ready to get filthy rich on Dubai chocolate. Sorry, I'm being sarcastic there. And you know what they're going to do with that 200, oh, I'm sorry, go ahead. No, please, you. I was going to say, you know what they're going to do with that $200 billion? Because they've got this, now all of a sudden, they've got this two hundred. $200 billion if they don't know what to do with, and it's not like they can go deposit it in a bank somewhere. They're going to look for a safe, they're going to look for a safe asset, a safe financial asset to park all that, that $200 billion. Buy gold now. There's never been a better time to buy gold. Gold is your best hedge against

inflation. Here's an interesting little tip bit. Gold recently dropped to its lowest level in ages. Yeah, I heard you talking about that the other day. Makes it look kind of attractive if you want to park $2 billion somewhere, doesn't it? Right. And so we've got all of this fucking big money sloshing around, obviously not going to fucking people's health care and not going to people's education and not going to making the lives of the American people better. No, this money is sloshing around the globe, looking for a safe place to sit to gain more. interest, right? So the safest asset is something that can nearly, that can be converted back into the reserve currency of the world as quickly as possible, or something near to that,

which is a treasury bond, U.S. debt. And there's only so much debt that the U.S. I mean, there's only so much spending that the U.S. does. And so there is only so much U.S. debt, U.S. treasury bonds, to be purchased. And so. once the market for that is no longer lucrative, that's when we start getting these derivatives. That's when we start getting polymarket. That's why we start getting cryptocurrency and shit, because all of this money, all of these capitalists are looking for an ROI, a return on investment for all of their billions of dollars. And then they get more billions of dollars.

And then they want to seek more fucking profit. And this is the part that's right. This is the part that drives me crazy. And they get all the money and they make all the profit. And then you know what happens? They still die sometime. Right. You know, it was a few programs back.

The password was Memento Mori. The Latin term for remembering that you must die. These shitbirds, Peter, you know, probably no one more than Leon Scum. Leon Scum thinks he's never going to die. How is that possible? I mean, okay. I mean, at least he behaves that way. Curiously enough, little tie-in with what I heard last night,

one of the songs that Patterson played, is called Uncle Disney. And the first lines of the song are, I just love this song, When they thaw out, Uncle Disney, going to be some changes made. And it's true. You know,

my old DJ brain wants to queue up a blue oyster cult now and play Don't Fear the Reaper. But they're all going to die. And that ancient saying among the wealthy, he who dies with the most toys wins is such a petty and juvenile idea because you know what? You may have won, but hey, you're dead. Right, right.

You know how we were talking earlier about how human beings cannot conceptualize things like trillions? Yeah. Possibly the hardest thing for a human being to conceptualize is the world going on without one. the idea we we we can't hardly wrap our heads around the idea of being no more and that's where we come up with myths of rebirth and resurrection and somehow you know and and the old the old perhaps apocryphal fable of wc fields as he was about to die sitting on his porch with a blanket on his lap reading the bible and one of his buddies comes by and says, Fields,

you old atheist? What are you reading the Bible for? And Fields slowly looks up and takes off his glasses and says, looking for a loophole. All these assholes are looking for loopholes. These are all diversions from the fact that

they must and will die. Right, but they're looking for some sort of technology or some sort of, you know, some way to keep them, you know, alive. I mean, no, no, what do you, what do you, what do you think all of this AI horse shit is? I've, I've seen it.

I've seen it coming for years. Yes, they're going to create a digitized consciousness and just go on living. That's why all this talk about, all this talk about singularity and AI reaching consciousness. these are fucking children these these billionaires are children afraid of the god damn dark they've got everything they can do anything they want but they have to die and peter and peter thiel that fucking weirdo is out there running around looking like he's a renegade from madame tussaud's wax museum and talking about the antichrist and how we're in the end time. And the problem is

Peter Thiel has end time money. We used to joke on this program about having rocket ship money. Peter Thiel has end time money. And some of these people are nihilistic Malthusians who think that, well,

you know, maybe if there's just a few billion less people on the planet. That's crazy. It's psychopathic. But it's who they are. But if we look towards some of the, if we look towards some of the, at least some of the, the Native American cultures that I'm familiar with, right? Some of the Aboriginal cultures from around the world.

Like, their whole operating philosophy is to not think about yourself, but to think about the generations that come after you. I was going to say, here comes. They organize the society around the idea that they, that they are going to cease to be, whereas we have organized our society in this, like, delusion of, like, perpetual, infinite fucking existence. Right. I mean, look at our corporate law. Sure.

You're talking, you're talking about the seven generations. And one of the, one of the sweetest things about that, I've learned over the, you know, they say that you, they say that you actually die twice. I'm sure you've heard this. the first time you die, you die. But your second death comes when no one any longer says your name. And so, you know, whether it's like Japanese culture or indigenous American culture, the idea of revering the grandfathers and the grandmothers and keeping names alive and talking about them.

And I've talked on this program how growing up as an Appalachian person, you know my family talked about people who had been dead for a hundred years as if they were going to walk through the door any minute and i'm not talking about believing in spooks and haints they were just that they were still that real and i've learned some of the names and i make a point of saying them and in fact two of my names are the names of two of my great-grandmothers so when you say roxan you are actually calling to mind the spirit of my great-grandmothers grandmother goad and right my other name right then a viola well that recalls my great-grandmother viola uh uh davis both of whom uh roxan was beloved of my mother and and and and and and and and

was the absolute beloved of my grandfather and both of those two fierce women adored both of them adored respectively my parents so it's a you know it's it's it's so much more rational than thinking that yeah that somehow you know um god you know statues statues to people who are dead. And please, you know, if you're going to build me a statue, at least let me come to the unveiling, okay? It doesn't do me any good after I'm gone, except to the extent that maybe people say my name. But then look at what those cultures valued, though, right?

Like, they value, they based their value system on their connection with the earth, on their connection with the land and the cyclical nature of things. things, right? Like a person is born and then their body returns to the earth to feed the cycle of life. The literal essence of the body is returned to the earth to feed the new life that's going to spring from it. I mean, in that way, we can talk about perpetual life, but only if we are, only if we have, a political and economic and social system that is going to foster that sort of sustainability. Exactly. And frankly, I find this conversation much more engaging and much more important than

talking about the latest beyond like the dirty dealing. You know, the latest stupidity over what, you know, I got a story here that Ken Paxton and John Cornholio are slinging AI-generated ads, attack ads at each other, one of which from Cornholio says that that damn Ken Paxton gave grant money to the transgender's. Oh, for fuck's sake. I'm not kidding. I know. But, you know, earlier on, we talked about motive.

And there is a little piece out in the news, namely that, and Jojo Blondie may have just fucked up again. She is, she's a, because she released a memo authored by Jack Smith. and the the important part of that is that in the memo something that and it ties back to the to the two billion dollar five minutes before the tripe kind of kind of thing never before had been seen an explanation by jacksmith's team of the motive for why nitwit nero kept classified stole classified information and stored it down at Maga Loco in the potty. And that memo reads, Trump, and again, Jojo Blondie released this on purpose. Trump possessed classified documents pertinent to his business interests. establishing a motive for retaining them we must have those documents jamie raskin writing to jojo blondie said these new disclosures suggest that donald trump stole documents so sensitive that only six people in the entire united states government had access to them

that the documents President Trump stole pertain to his business interests. Really? His business interests. Gosh, would a guy who would steal the super double secret probation documents from the United States have any compunction against rigging a bet over $2 billion worth of oil? No. No. And I'm listening to that.

And you know what I'm, you know what's going through my mind, Roxanne, listening to that? it may seem disconnected, but I think I can make an argument for it not being. Jeffrey Epstein. Because we know that he's filtering everything through his consciousness, everything through ensuring that anything having to do with the Epstein or Epstein files does not come to light. And so he has been engaged in that pedophilic behavior for decades. So it would not surprise me if the documents that he was sifting

through at Mara Lago because in the indictment, they were talking about how he was having now to bring the boxes up to the private residence in Mara Lago. And he was sifting through those documents. I'm wondering, what was he looking for? Was he looking for stuff that would tie him to Epstein? Was he looking to hide classified documents? classified United States documents that could implicate him? I don't know.

No. But I think it's worth asking the question. Oh, I am sure do think so, too. Let me ask you a question because your legal knowledge is much pressure. You know, as of his exit from the presidency, he becomes re-indictable because the documents case and the January 6th case were both dismissed without prejudice. Now, I've read in some places that that'll be too bad, so sad, because the statute of limitations will have run by then. But if he's operating on the immunity granted him by the

Supreme Court of the United States, shouldn't that toll the statute? In other words, if he has immunity, I don't know. That's a good question. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know what the operation of an immunity is on a statute of limitations. Like say a federal prosecutor was to offer a mobster an immunity deal for the prosecution of some bigger mobster and it takes four or five years and then all of a sudden this guy goes, let's make it longer. it takes a decade. They're doing this investigation on Big Mobster for a decade.

And then the Little Mobser renegs on his deal. Does the fact that he had immunity told the statute of limitations on the charges that they were threatening Little Mobsder with? I don't know. I don't know. Nor do I. And the question is, and you'd have to go back to the summer 2020 decision decision that conferred that immunity upon him. But does the immunity become retroactive? Because these are crimes that he committed as president in his first term before the ruling.

These, I would, those are questions that I'd have to research to come up with an answer, to come up with a theory for, not an answer, but a theory, a legal theory. I just don't have, I don't have the, I don't have the framework, the underlying framework knowledge for the, the federal statutes of limitations like that. I just don't. Well, nor do I. Nor do I. Yeah.

But I think it's a note, it's a noteworthy question. Yeah. I mean, it took me, I had to come up with an analogy to, like, wrap my head around the question, even. I think it was pretty good. Big, big, monster and little mobster? I think it was pretty good. Yes. Yes.

But. The idea. the idea that there's an organization out there called Big Mob. Oh, you know, that's just Big Mob. That's Big Mob. Yeah. But then again, remember that the LGBTQIA Plus community has been referred to as Big Gay. Well, I'm a, I'm big gay.

Or the gay mafia. That pathetic little weasel, Jeremy Peters at the New York Times, said, Oh, you can't create, you can't, you can't even. say anything critical of the transies without being absolutely crucified by them. I'll be doubting Thomas on this one, Jeremy Peters. Show me the holes in your hands where you can't eat the M&Ms anymore, honey. I mean, I'm not, I think, I mean, back to your immunity question, I don't know. But he's committing so many crimes in the interim.

that it probably is not going to matter. The statute of limitations, I mean, on the crimes that he's committing this term, I think there, you know, will still fall within the statutes of limitations, I would imagine. But I don't know. That's a good question. I mean, it's not like it animates me or anything, but one of the things in the future, you know, I really want to see that indictment have new life breathed into it, both of them. and make sure that Aileen Cannon can't get anywhere near it in South Florida.

And, well, devil take the hindmost in D.C. Oh, I mean, everything's so gross right now, Roxanne. It's just so, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's grimy is how I'm going to describe it. It's just, yeah, I mean, that's like a layer. Yeah, little days like yesterday where a, I just get to, but I don't. I'm still paying attention. I'm still reading my,

I'm still reading my notifications. I'm still gathering stories. I can't help it, 22 years plus. Yeah, and this is your job. Like I, I'm disengaged from from it for most of the day now, right?

Because I'm, I'm at work and I'm trying to solve my client's problems and trying to get the best outcome from my clients engaged in this fucking shitty criminal system that we, have. So my mind is actively elsewhere where it doesn't seem like you have a respite from it. There really there really isn't. And now I'm afraid I was thinking about taking up pickleball, but now that I find out that the guy, the man who taught Charlie Kirk how to walk and talk and act just like a bloomin lighty went down fell and go boom on the pickleball court and him dead now,

well there goes pickleball damn it I mean I do I do try to keep up like I listen to you and I listen to Malloy but I'm glad that I have I'm glad I have portions of my day where I'm not focused on this oh I agree

I agree going back to Iran just for a minute to make things absolutely clear here Yeah, Iranian officials have said, no, we're not going to talk to Whitkoff anymore. The Pakistanis are saying that they'd like to facilitate meaningful and conclusive talks. But, according to the Guardian, Pakistani sources said the U.S. Vice President, J.D. Vance, was being put forward as a probable chief negotiator for the U.S. side of talks went ahead. You think they're grooming us profile for an assent to the presidency? Well, remember, Woodrow Wilson was reelected in 201916 on the slogan,

he kept us out of war, and then promptly got us into a war. Maybe the Iranians are looking at his previous statements of saying we don't need to be involved in any stupid foreign wars Forever Wars, whatever term he used, and thinking maybe he can be talked to, or, or, maybe they've got photographs. Maybe they, you know, maybe they've found his grinder profile, you know, hot trans girl for you or something like that. Oh, shit.

Are they, um, I don't know. I'm just speculating. This is shameless. Yeah, me too. Me too. I'm just speculating, too. I just... But the bottom line is...

I was thinking about your... Oh, I was thinking about your theory of... I mean, we're coming up on 2027 real quick. I mean, if he negotiates some peace deal... Bingo. So that's why I asked if maybe they were grooming... Yeah. Like trying to get some sort of foreign policy thing under his belt.

Not Trump, but the people behind him. Right. The people who plan... replace Trump with him. Right. I mean, it would be, I mean, it would be a step, you know. I mean, because it's ruining their, I mean, it's ruining their business shit. Yeah, yeah, it's ruining their brand.

And like, what better way to, to have J.D. Vance, you know, I mean, I haven't heard his name in the news for a while other than, last time I think I heard his name in the news was when he, when he went to go visit the zoo or something? I don't know. But I haven't heard his name in the news for a while. And so I guess there's a way to, I mean, if he negotiates a peace deal, you know. Yeah. I just thought about that, you know.

No, it's just all speculation. We're not on the inside. We don't know what's happening. No, no, no, but we're sitting here playing, we're sitting here playing chess in the dark. feeling around trying to figure out which one's the queen and which one's the pawn right but we're not doing anything that everybody else isn't doing exactly um i mean god this story um coming from scott macfarlane formerly of cbs who has since

absented himself from the clutches of barry weiss um the uh the democrats in the house have released information that, and no surprise, he did this shit at Magaloko too, but, and this is a case of be careful of what you asked for. The maggots went running around, having a hissy over Operation Arctic Frost, which was a probe of nitwit Nero and his minions trying to overturn the 2020 election. and you'll recall that during the Biden administration that people like Jim Jacket off Jordan was running and the weaponization of government

lawfare well because the maggots went digging around in Operation Arctic Frost they have now found out that back in 2022 when he was out of office,

nitwit Nero was flying to his tacky golf motel at Bedmonster in New Jersey and shared showed off a wildly classified

map to the passengers on the plane. No shit. Be careful what you look for. You might just find it, maggots. So this is a different story than him discussing, I mean, Yes. Interesting that this came to mind, but this is a different story than him discussing the plans to attack Iraq, I mean Iran, at the, in the dining room of Mar-a-Lago.

Okay. Jamie Raskin writing a letter said, if this map is related to our military posture in the Middle East and it was in fact shown to any foreign official, Saudi or otherwise, that would amount to an unforgivable betrayal of our men and women in uniform who are currently valiantly fighting in President Trump's disastrous war against Iran. It is now clear that the DOJ is in possession of evidence that President Trump has already endangered national security

to further the interests of the Trump family businesses. And now we're back to the motives in the Jack Smith. memo. Yeah. Yeah. And he keeps sending these letters to Jojo Blondie, which are nothing, if not a reminder from Raskin, that John Mitchell was the first Attorney General to go and do 20 months of prison time. You can go to, Jojo. who was speaking to him in Memphis on Monday and looked at him and lo and behold, he was sound asleep. Who was Barack Obama's first attorney general? Was that Eric Holder? Yes. Did he have another one?

Or was Eric Holder the attorney general? I want to think there was another one because I remember being upset when he named Eric Holder, because Eric Holder had cut a sweetheart deal to, to, he was defense counsel at the time, he had cut it with the Bush administration to keep a murderer off of death row, who was accused of masterminding the assassination of labor leaders in a banana strike in Colombia. I wasn't aware of that. I wasn't aware of that. Wow.

I was, you do this for 22 years. some of this stuff sticks. Yeah. The reason I ask is because we can't have another Eric Holder next time. No, I want somebody. I just wanted to make sure I had my timeline.

You went to Eric Holder. What we cannot have another of is Merrick the Meek. Yes. Yes, both of them. Both of them. I want somebody with big, sharp, nasty teeth. like, oh, maybe Jack Smith. That would be nice.

That would be nice. Or is Joe McRaskin? He's more of a constitutional guy. I don't know if he's a prosecution guy. But, you know, one of the major grunting points of the maggots during Biden's presidency was, well, Jack Smith was not legitimately appointed and he wasn't legitimately approved by the Senate. Well, he didn't have to be. be. Right. But so, you know, wouldn't it be fun to watch Dare to Dream? I think you and I,

I think you and I, I had that same thought, the confirmation hearing and what he would say in the confirmation hearing about this. Loretta Lynch. Loretta Lynch was his other one. Thank you. Barack Obama's doing. Yeah, that's Ralph serving as the horn ad hoc, who was Barack Obama's other attorney general research department yes Loretta Lynch um but yeah like I said

dare to dream a republic a democratically controlled Senate confirming jack smith to be the attorney general uh might as well start playing the slim Whitman and watch the Republicans head explode and then let him go after

nitwit Niro and hound him unto the day he dies. Yeah, I mean, I think, well, one, I think the American people need to see, especially people on the political left and left-leaning people need to see some sort, I don't want to say retribution, but they need to see our, they need to see our, we need to see, I should say, we need to see our justice system actually establishing justice to quote the Constitution. to reinvigorate our belief in our country.

I mean, I think, I think a lot of us, and maybe I should just talk for myself, I think part of my issue is that I've lost a little bit of my belief, like your tinkerbell theory, my belief in the Constitution. And honestly, that, that is the whole purpose of what they do. So I don't want to let it go, right? But our country's lost a lot of luster, you know what I mean?

Yeah. In the last decade. And so, I mean, I'm trying to formulate my thoughts here. It, for me, I need to see. that our constitutional mechanisms can work. Not that I've lost my belief in them. Let me retract that because I still believe in the mechanisms of our constitution.

I guess I'm questioning whether they can, I'm questioning whether those mechanisms can work in reality. Let me put it like that. I think that's a better way. Well, and there's, there are. And I need to see them working. I need some proof that they work. There are questions.

upon questions. Yeah, but that's the insidious part of their nihilism, though, right? Like, they don't believe that the Constitution works. They don't believe that this is the best way to organize a society. They don't believe that everybody is equal. Well, they don't believe that people should have a voice. They don't believe people should be able to vote. They want to dictate everything from the top.

That's their fundamental organization. organizing philosophy for society, that there is an elite group of people who are just inherently better than everybody else and that they are the ones God-given and that have been chosen that deserve to rule the people as opposed to the people ruling themselves. So they are trying to push their philosophy on everybody else. And frankly, I need to see some evidence that they're wrong. And so that's why I need to see someone. And this is just for me.

I mean, maybe I'm just being selfish or being like a petting little baby. I don't know. But I need to see the establishment of some justice. I need to see the promotion of some general welfare. careful you're getting perilously close to sweet summer child or baby shark or baby shark david and and i mean i know maybe that's not i agree i don't know but i i feel like that's something would be that would be cathartic for the country and for the world frankly well i think if you're talking about strengthening our or strengthening us as a constitutional republic founded upon

democratic principles. You have to say that way so the purists won't get their panties in a bunch. Okay. The best way to do that is to expand the Supreme Court. Yeah. Yeah. Or not the best, but the easiest way to do that. And, you know, like 23, you know, go from 9 to 23 and pack the shit out of the court. make make them you know and I guess the people who want to go from like 9 to 13 think that maybe that wouldn't be quite so obvious

but you know there are ways to do it you could say we're going to expand to 13 and the president in this term gets two appointments and boom you know suddenly old balls and strikes becomes irrelevant and so does the incrementalists are going to want to incrementalism. Yeah, incrementalists are going to incrementalize. You're absolutely right. Yeah. It's scary.

If you're paying attention, it's scary. Yeah. Yeah. And I don't know. I think the way I put it is before it's lost a little bit of its luster. We need to polish it a little bit. Not like that, you disgusting. Oh, my God.

Oh, my God. You've got my disease. You're so connected to the horn hive mind that you know when to issue the disclaimer. There was the word knob was not mentioned. But there was a good news story that I was not aware of that I saw. Can I share? Please. So I saw yesterday an article in BBC News,

Artemis 2, Inside the Moon Mission to Fly Humans Farther than Ever. We're going to the moon. It says here, NASA's Artemis 2 mission is scheduled to launch as soon as April 1st. Did you know that? I didn't know that. Micah and I have been going back and forth on that for a while. I, of course, you know, am the, well, whatever,

whatever analogy or metaphor you choose. I'm the little ray of fucking sunshine because, well, you do know NASA's being run by a billionaire private astronaut now, right? No, I didn't know that. Yes. A private astronaut. Well, there goes my, I mean, I was like,

I was like Yeah, I did it again. Yeah. Yeah. I just threw cold water all over you. Thanks for this. I'm excited about it too. Yeah, I know.

But I was, when we were driving to Nelsonville yesterday, I was listening to some public radio and they were talking about that. And I didn't get the full gist of it. At one point in time, I think maybe I'm getting this backwards.

But I think the plan at one point in time was to just go to the moon. Yeah. This BBC article says this mission will pave the way for a landing and eventually a moon base. Our first step in learning how to live on another world. Well, what I heard yesterday, there was mention of

an orbiting space station around the moon and money being divert and the private astronaut who runs NASA said this isn't going to be one mission or two this is going to be mission after mission after mission after mission after mission. And my little childlike sense of wonder is like I'm sitting here like my mouth is open, my eyes are all wide. I know.

And I'm like, yay. And like this BBC article, I was reading too. It was all, it was like an interactive thing. And like I would scroll and it would like have the like pictures and it would like, it was this like 3D model of the rocket. And it was like moving around and like describing all the different parts of the rocket and stuff. It was so cool. I was, I was like, this is good news. And I was like, I'm like, why did I wonder? This is what I need. I don't know. This, this, this, this story gave me life because I had no idea we were about to go back to the moon. Like within the next couple of weeks. I didn't know. And so it's giving me life. Yeah. And the crew is going to, uh, uh, orbit the moon and then come home.

I'm a little worried though because the launch window right now is April 1st. Right. Uh, and I'm not that superstitious, but well. But the six day, the six day window opens on April the first. first. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Because yeah, it said as soon as. So I figured it was a, it could be the first. Yeah, there will be four people aboard. NASA astronauts, Reed Wiseman, Victor Glover, and Christina Koch, along with Canadian Space Agency astronaut Jeremy Hanson. Yeah. They were going to launch it earlier this month. But, uh, after a test in February they found an issue with the helium system and decided to push it back

so let's see they will the astronauts will go into quarantine at the Johnson Space Flight Center in Houston well they've already gone into quarantine and they'll travel to Florida day after tomorrow. That's fantastic. This is making me happy. Yeah. First time we've gone to the moon at all since October, since 2017, Apollo 17, or no, since Apollo 17 in 1972.

That was before I was born. I've never seen anything like this. Yeah. It's my whole entire life. I remember it. And I remember how bummed out I was when Richard Nixon said, well Henry the people just aren't interested anymore it's become boring to them well and and and and Fanofan Braun was like that um so anyway I just I I wanted to talk to you about that

I'm glad you did I'm glad you did and and there's another there's another article that I haven't read yet, but the headline is intriguing. Meta and YouTube designed addictive products that harmed young people jury finds. Good. That's on the Guardian's website on their front page right now. I haven't read the article yet, though, so I don't know anything about it. Meta fined $375 million in landmark case on enabling harm, including child sexual exploitation. So that looks like that.

That's promising. Yeah, it is. Now, I'm seeing if there's anything more about Artemis here. Oh, yeah, yeah. We'll be able to watch it live online. I don't know if the network. Nice. Yeah.

Of course, again, I'm going to do what I do so well. Won't you just love it when cancels Caligula glumps to the podium and says, Thanks to me, we've returned to the moon. Columps. That's funny. That's going to take a lot of the wonder out of it for me. Oh, oh.

But now they're saying... Join me in Fantasyland, Roxanne. Oh, I will. Where everything's frozen. Yes, and there will be unicorns cavorting across the lunar surface, and we'll see them as we fly over. Exactly. Why can't we have nice things, Roxanne?

Well, I think we've just spent about the better part of an hour and a half discussing why. Well, I'm glad to know that I've got company. Meanwhile, Matt and San Francisco says, the moon? We're having trouble getting airplanes off the ground and in the air. Good luck getting to the moon. I can't pay my doctor bills, but Whitey's on the moon. Bill you are. And here's a little listening assignment for you.

I mentioned this song. That was the moment when the MAGA lady got up and walked out of Patterson's concert last night. All right. Look up a song by the drive-by truckers called Putting People on the Moon. Okay. Not going to editorialize or anything, but when you, when he gets, the line where he sings in the original recording. Now another joker's in the White House.

I think that's the line. In your head, you can hear him last night screaming out, now that maga motherfuckers in the White House. And you'll feel even better. Okay. I haven't had a chance to check social media to see if the maggots are having a fit over that. But, you know. Right. I don't know.

I hope it's good for a few points on their blood pressure. So Chris, Michelle and I are going to a pro test the No Kings protest on Saturday. I'm trying to figure out where I'll be probably Beckley. Okay. So, yeah, we're trying to finalize our plans. I offered to drive, but I think Chris wants to take the math. or some sort of public transit down there, which I don't blame it for that either, because it's probably easier than trying to find parking and then having to, like,

walk back to the car. Because the one we're planning on going to is, like, it's a march to, like, the main protest. Oh. Get your cardio in. Yeah. Yeah. It's like a mile. I was looking at the, I was looking at the website.

It's like a mile, a mile walk across the, the Willamette River. into downtown Portland from the convention center. That sounds wonderful. Yeah. Well, just remember, take a couple of bottles of water, but no ice. See what I did there? Yes. Yeah, I did.

I don't just do things. David, have a wonderful evening. It's so good hearing from you. Our conversations are always absolute, absolute magic. I love you, Roxanne. I'll talk to you soon, okay? All right. You take care.

Bye. The one and only, David in Oregon, a sweet summer child, who's, well, we've destroyed a lot of optimists on this program for the years. That's all I can say. But hey, that's the program. We are, unfortunately, a goose egg for the evening. But we'll have a go at it again tomorrow. Not really a goose egg because Charlie jumped in. Thank you, Charlie.

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