Head-ON With Robyn Roxanne Kincaid - Head-ON With Roxanne Kincaid, 7 September 2026, Labor Day Edition

Episode Date: September 8, 2026

This is a day for calling to mind just WHY we have Labor Day. For me, it's the most sacred holiday of the year, for its origins are written on the flesh of working people in their own blood over the course of millenia.  But it's also a day for worrying about what the MAGATS are trying to feed the working class. The whys and wherefores of "Mystery Meat" are becoming disgustingly clearer. 

The password is Brownie. Here we go, live from behind the corn phone curtain. It's head-on with Roxanne Kincaid. Three hours of cussin and discussing with America's only liberal trans-billy elitist right here, right now, on the head-on radio network.

Brought to you in part by Cole River Mountain Watch, who invites you to be part of the uprising against mountaintop removal, C-R-M-W. dot net. And now from high in the hills of West by God, Virginia, here she is. Roxanne Kincaid. Well, howdy, here we go, off and running on this seventh day of September, 2026. This is the horn. Head on dot live is where you'll find us on the interweb tubes. That's where you go if you'd like to be part of the merry wacky zany, real-time matcap multimedia extravaganza. That is the horn

chat room, the three hours in which this program is live, Monday through Friday, 5.5. to ATM, Eastern Daylight Time, 2 to 5 p.m. Pacific Daylight Time, all time zones in between, and the Great Globe round. And whatever time it is when you're listening to the podcast, this, of course, is the Labor Day edition of the Horn. I hope you all have had a wonderful Labor Day weekend and have spent some time to think about how, well, Labor Day was brought to you by organized labor and was paid for in blood over the course of decades. Yes, I know, I know. It's a really fun, happy thing to think about. But still, and for all we know, and we'll get into this story in a minute. Oh, the password is brownie. Did I do the password? The password's brownie. Hi, I'm Roxanne. But, you know, it's the unofficial end of summer. This is the last great good party. still learning German and apparently a cookout is called a Gril party but yeah

this is the last great hurrah before we descend well not all of us I mean people who live in warmer climes don't have to think about this but I do places like Appalachia this is where we begin the long

slow slide into the frozen hellscapes of December, January, February. Boy, I'll tell you what, you should, Roxanne, you sure do know how to make a happy entrance, don't yet? Yeah, I do. I do. But Ralph's is waiting for you in the old holler tree. And if you're listening live, if you're listening to the podcast, well, thank you so much for sharing your precious finite time with us in that fashion.

that is you know that that's not me being a smart aleck i mean it i know uh you know that i'm one of those people that doesn't think there's pie in the sky when you die uh so there's no second act um this is there's this isn't a dress rehearsal so the fact that you share your time engaging with this community in this conversation means so much and is so profoundly humbling. I'm just proud to be a part of this community and I'm proud to be some small microscopic part of your lives. So thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

Every program here at the Horn begins with gratitude, and this program is no different. Let's see here. So thanks go out to. our 7th, 6th, and 5th day of the month subscribers via PayPal contributors by PayPal. So that means ever so many thanks

to Ralphs. Thank you, Ralphs. And thank you to James. Thanks as well. To Charlene and Rogue's Island. Thank you to Don and Les Tenistand. Thank you to Michael in Chicago. Thank you all for, let's see, thank you, Kenda in Missouri.

Thank you to Kevin in Colorado Springs. Thank you all for helping to keep all of this going. And I have some big news. We have a real chance. This is big, big, big, big, big indeed. we've got a real chance to wipe out the deficit and get us well into September routes as put forward a $2,000 challenge, $2,000. And that will, that that wipes out the deficit and it wipes out and it would wipe out

funding for the coming week plus some and get us to the halfway mark of the month. Thank you so much, Ralphs. Thank you for that. Thank you for that so very, very kindly. So we will we'll go to work on that. Every penny up to $2,000

will be doubled courtesy of RELPS. And, well, we'll call this the Labor Day challenge. Okay. So thank you, Ralphs. So very kindly indeed. And, well, there's never, there's never been a better moment for, to, you know, make your contribution to this little non-commercial, non-capitalist, non-advertising-laden, no stupid, beats, no, no Bose wave radios, anything like that, and help keep us going because, well,

it's been a struggle. Basically, it's been a struggle since Newtwit Nero took over for his second misbegotten term, because it's hard. This is not the golden age of America. This is the nightmare age of America, and he has made every American's life. And especially the people, not especially, but including the people who were like, well, I'm going to vote for him because I want me some mass deportations. And I want to show China a thing or two. And we ain't going to have no new wars.

Yeah. Right. So, this is a grand opportunity to help keep things going. here. Thank you, Ralphson. Thank you so, so, so, so very kindly. That is, that's an extremely big deal. So, you know, that's kind of gobsmacked by it all. Thank you. Thank you, again. And thanks to everybody who jumps in on this, these opportunities don't just happen each and every day. But we should probably get into the end of the program. I don't know how much many other I don't know how many other programs were live today, but this one is. We have a way of

being live when other programs are not. By the way, over at Progressive Voices on Tune In at 9 p.m. Eastern Daylight Time, 6 p.m. Pacific this evening. Please join Tara Devlin and me as we fill in for Malloy. I really appreciate Mike giving us the opportunity to do that from time to time. And, well, we've had, we've had fun Thursday, Friday, and we'll have fun again. Just getting to open the mind. Because, you know, Tara and I get going. And, well, it reminds me not because of the subject matter. but it reminds me of the way that sportscasters of old were not daunted by a rain delay in a baseball game. They just started talking.

And we've got some boring sports stuff coming. As Joy in Ann Arbor put it in a message over the weekend, welcome to Michigan. please set your clocks back one second. Ah, geez. And then I'm sure, I'm sure Kenda in Missouri is well familiar with the perfuffle that the Cardinals. It was the Cardinals, wasn't it? It got into. The home plate umpire decided that he didn't like the way the relief pitcher was wearing his hat.

Now, bear in mind, the young man didn't have his hat on backwards. ball cap. He didn't have it on like sideways or he didn't have it on with the bill facing forward, but the bill popped up. But he literally stopped play to tell the young man to fix his ball cap. This wound up pissing on the managers so badly that he actually, of all the things that managers have been thrown out of baseball games over and, you know, talking about sports on Labor Day weekend. sports is a part of Labor Day. Of all the things that managers have ever been thrown out of a baseball game for, that may very well be the absolute silliest. And of course, now we have clock violations in baseball, which just do you all make me want to eat dirt and run rabbits?

It's supposed to be a sort of timeless game. But by God. Capitalism can ruin anything. Oh, the games were too long. Really? Considering how much you pay for a baseball game, I wouldn't care if they went for a day and a half. Jeez.

But there we are. Well, thank you. Thank you, Lee, in New York. Both you and Tara deserve a Ramalama Ding Dong for keeping Mike's podcast. being a repeat we appreciate both of you well thank you very very much indeed and so for the next week or so it'll be ramalama rim shots because i'm up here at the horn midwestern command and you know what um i know of one person who is absolutely tickled pink that i'm up here at the horn midwestern

command and that would be a certain camel cardinal in fact i just got a message from the said camel cardinal has anyone told you how great your audio sounds this evening well thank you thank you very much and that's because the poor little i mean look it's heaven or hell for me okay uh the the poor little heat pump floor unit heat pump in the fabulous horn studios at the magnificent Kincaid mansion isn't laboring in the background to keep your humble hostess from going into heat stroke in a 90 degree studio in fact

to get well was it was it Robert Frost by the way thank you thank you brother Teakin Asa let's see There it is. Yeah. It's a poem by Robert Frost. He's my favorite poet.

Some say the world will end in fire. Some say in ice. From what I've tasted of desire, I hold with those who favor fire. But if it had to perish twice, I think I know enough of hate to say that for destruction, ice is also great and would suffice. Well, it's kind of like that.

It's kind of like that for me. When I'm in the fabulous horn studios, it's a question of trying not to absolutely dehydrate with perspiration and near 90 degrees in that studio. And I come here to the Midwestern command. And the way this house is set up, we share an HVAC unit, and the upstairs is blazing hot, and the downstairs, and we all know that cold air sinks. And so they have to run the air conditioning at pretty much refrigerator temperatures just to be comfortable up there. And it all sinks down here.

and honestly one of the things I'm probably going to do in fact I was talking to Victoria about it probably going to run because it's cheaper than just about anywhere else probably going to toddle over to old navy and find a couple of fleece lined sweatshirts for both of us because it's a meat locker in here so yeah fire and ice at the fabulous Horn Studios, it's fire and, well, here it's a Midwestern command. It's ice. And you would think I would have enough common sense to not be wearing a tank top right now, but old habits die hard. The tank top is handy in the fabulous horn studios. Up here, it's insufficiently attired. Yeah. from Lee in New York. Believe it or not, all right, Roxanne, believe it or not, I can't see if there's a cowbell in your reach.

Signed, Lee, I must be using Jordy's visor, thereby taking care of our obligatory Star Trek reference for the evening. But, oh, shucks, let's start out by ruining dinner in the Eastern Daylight time zone. It's Labor Day. hopefully you did all your grilling and cooking out and everything yesterday or you're done by now. It's a Monday holiday, so this is kind of put everything away and get ready to go back to work on Tuesday, you know, unless you're the hardest working woman in progressive talk, in which case, you know, working now. But that having been said, yeah, okay. I've already warned you dinner in the Eastern Daylight time zone

is about to get rent we've been talking about the mystery meet for a while now and it's mystery meet for a reason not entirely sure where it's from we're not entirely sure what's in it and frankly we're not entirely sure what it is but now we know

where this great idea probably originated and you remember what 2025 was the 50th anniversary of Jaws and of course back then I remember it is it safe to go back in the water you had people watching Jaws getting afraid to

get in the bathtub or a swimming pool, let alone going to the beach or getting in the water there. Well, the next question is, when will it be safe to eat a fast food burger again? We know, of course, that I won't go anywhere near a, like a McDonald's hamburger or anything. No. But it turns out that this whole mystery meat thing developed after a friend of Melania Trump. He came to a meeting at the White House. Bonnie, I want you to invite my friend. He has mystery meat.

Are you ready? for your mystery meet. Stop that, Roxanne. We've got a challenge on the table. And, by the way, Ralph said that she'll add in a $25 daily challenge for Donnie. Oh, this string of madness that he, AI madness that he sleezed out into the social media sphere over the weekend. One of which, yeah, thank you for reminding me, Ralphs. One of which involved him claiming that he wanted, because the frontotemporally demented mind tends to fixate on things.

and now he you know 80 and you know degenerating into his final form he's fixated on naming things one of which i i wish i was kidding one of which involved renaming estate and for once, hey, West Virginia getting some relief. Surprised you didn't. West America. America, Virginia. No, no, no, no. It's the other state that's commonly forgotten about

because I've talked on a number of occasions about how here in almost level West by Cold Trump, Genia, Stan, especially in the South, people will think that the West in West Virginia is merely a geographic location and that we are not in fact in a separate state. Decades of my parents going to, and me, going to West Virginia from Alabama and our sweet next door neighbors saying, y'all have a good time up in Virginia now. And we return to you. And did you enjoy your time in Virginia?

This is, this, it's a throwback to being pissed off about the Civil War. They still haven't quit fighting it down there. But the other state that gets that is, of course, New Mexico, because, well, you know, we are not the most intelligent country in the world by any stretch of the imagination. And so there are actual Americans who don't know that New Mexico is a part of the United States of America. and so it was Sunday he posted more madness many people suggested changing the name of New Mexico

by many people he means many of the spirochetes that are still shrieking each to each in the thin gray settlings that slosh around between his ears and pass for brains many people suggested changing the name of New Mexico

one of the great vote cheating states of all time. What? To New America. So much more prestigious and beautiful for the people of that potentially incredible state. Wow. I love it. Assuming that he didn't come up with this by himself, then somebody's just trolling him.

And he's just falling for it. So he posted an AI slot video that shows. shows him putting a sticker with the word America over a highway sign reading, Welcome to New Mexico. And then it shows him dancing to, of course, YMCA. Yeah, not daily. Ralphs, I didn't mean that. No, not daily, just for today.

Yeah, so there's a $25 challenge for today. The, it's still New Mexico challenge. I say it's trolling because getting, Making Donald Trump do his jerking off two camels at the same time dance to a gay anthem from the 70s, a gay disco anthem, YMCA by the village people. How can that be anything but trolling? This, of course, got under the skin of Melanie Stansbury, a rising star in the Democratic Party in the House. Oh, hell no, she said. Our state's name carries generations of history, culture, and family, and it belongs to us.

we're New Mexicans, period. And that's true. I think, unless I'm mistaken, or it's very, very close, the area we know as New Mexico was colonized by white Europeans, namely the Spaniards, even before the Spaniards set up shop in St. Augustine, Florida. There are literally New Mexico family families. whose pedigrees go back 500 years, really, or almost 500 years. I mean, there are indigenous people whose family trees go back, you know, 10, 12, 15, 20,000 years.

Ted Lou rung him up, average gas prices hit the highest monthly levels in history in August. Diesel prices hit an all-time record high in September. what are the Trump and the Republicans focused on changing the name of New Mexico to New America? November is coming. Yeah, yeah, Congressman Lou, it is, but that sort of runs right past the fundamental issue here, namely, that a president cannot unilaterally change the name of the state, because if he could, he would have long since renamed Florida to Trumpy Duh. Leah New York points out he's not good at naming things. Earliest evidence. Donald Trump Jr. Ah, ha ha. Yeah, there we are.

But so if somebody would like to stand forth alongside shoulder to shoulder with the New Mexicans, Ralph has a challenge out there of $25. New Mexico is always going to be New Mexico. Yes. or if you really want to piss off new it nero noo mexico i don't like that mexican talk but anyway back to the mystery

so apparently melanoma invites a buddy to come to the white house and uh yeah i guess pitch uh and his name is uh uh

uh melanoma's friend her long-time friend the friend is O. Wesley Batista who owns a meat packing juggernaut called JBS

more on him in a minute. But the question becomes what is the mystery meat? For that, we turn to the author of Fast Food Nation. Eric Schlosser. If you're familiar at all with Fast Food Nation, you know that he delved deeply into how the fast food food, for lack of a better term, ecosystem works.

And so today, the New York Times published an op ad by Mr. Schlaught. in which as though standing upon a high mountain, he issued a clarion call for the American people to please, please, please, please, pretty please, not eat the mystery meat. Now, let's be clear. This in turn, I mean, because it's not like there is a history, nitwit Nero was exposed or alleged to be defecating in diapers and immediately thereafter the maggots started showing up in rallies at rallies wearing diapers and t-shirts that said real men wear diapers

in this incredibly stupid timeline, that is something that really, really, really, really, really happened. And so anything that normal people with fully functioning brains and more than just an amygdala operating there would avoid they adopt. that's kind of one of the proofs that J.D. Vance doesn't quite have the stroke that Nittwit, could have used a different word, that Nittweit Nero has because, well, if people hung on every word that Judy Vance says, then all the maggots would be out there copulating with sofas. And, well, who's to say they aren't? But anyway, Eric Schlosser, who has expertise in what constitutes mystery meat, explained what it is. Quoting from his op-ed, Mr. Schlosser said, there are small chunks of frozen meat.

You'll notice he doesn't say beef. Esnaequis. There are small chunks of frozen meat that could have been. been kept in cold storage overseas for years. You were gone digging through your freezer and realized that there was a package of hamburger down there at the very bottom that you'd kind of forgotten about. You get it out and you thaw it and it's gray and freezer burned and you go, well, not using that and you throw it away.

Well, that's what's being palmed off only much, much. much, much, much, much worse, palmed off on the American people. They are the quintessence, Mr. Schlosser continued, of generic industrial meat, and we don't mean from peach tree dishes either. Imported here, rejected by China, imported here, and this is the important part, to be subsequently processed in massive grinders that combine people. pieces of tens of thousands of cattle from multiple countries, mainly into, wait for it, fast food hamburgers.

And we don't know which fast foods. And I got to thinking about it, and fast food hamburgers doesn't necessarily mean the clown or the king or the little red-headed girl with the pigtails. No, it can also mean like those pre-made hamburgers you can buy in the freezer section. Those are fast food too. Fast food hamburgers. So every fast food burger joint should probably have a sign that says, Abandon Hope All Ye who enter here.

Because I don't even know how much of the supply chain, you know, McDonald's is a behemoth. but how much control do they have over the beef that actually goes into their patties 12 patties to the pound y'all 12 patties to the pound or the same for any other fast food joint if we take into account the common the common wisdom that everything trump touches dies well then here we are he may have just killed the fast food industry but then again again with the maggots and the diapers. For all I know, they'll be out there screaming, I don't want none of that regular beef.

I want some mystery meat. I want a Donald J. Trump mystery meat burger. Your Schlosser went on to point out that beef producers overseas can and do have some issues with, how they process beef. And what we mean by issues, oh, Jesus. Let's see. Among things that he pointed out,

there's Uruguayan beef that has an anti-parasitic drug in it. Argentinian beef that on more than, well, on multiple occasions, has been shown to contain

and we talked about it here, an antibiotic that's banned that can cause blood clotting disorders and, well, is this also associated with cancer? That's just Argentina and Paraguay. Well, there's another country. I don't know if waves listening, but I bet he's belting out Brazil.

I'm singing, Roxanne. But, yeah. Mr. Schlosser pointed out some of the finer points of the Brazilian food processing, meat processing industry. In 2017, the Brazilian federal police raided nearly 200 meat packing plants after allegations that government inspectors and politicians were being bribed to allow the sale of contaminated beef. Oh, goody. Rotten. Wait, rotten meat? uh it have those guys ever met the folks from uh haliburton i'll take a haliburger with cheese that'll be

twenty nine dollars but i still remember the write-ups of the rotten meat that we were serving to uh our warriors in the uh in in in in bush war two against the innocent people of iraq rotten meat treated with escorbic acid and other chemicals to mask the contamination who capitalism you just can't beat it had been sold to hospitals and schools in Brazil and also exported and so the 300,000 metric tons of imported the there is tariff free for the next 90 days so September October November I don't need I don't know if you need to put a reminder in your phone but no fast food hamburgers until at least December and honestly this is a conundrum for the clown and the king and the little red-headed girl with the pig tails and Crystal and White Castle and Hardy's Carl's Jr. and, you know, in and out and what a burger.

This is a PR nightmare for them. And I'd be curious to find out if any of them are issuing press statements saying, We just want to assure our beloved customers that none of Donald Trump's mystery meat will be going into our burgers. Because that's a bit of a minefield, isn't it? Most people don't want to eat mystery meat, but by the same token, the maggots probably do. Maggots like rotten meat. I mean, look, they threw a conyption over one trans girl getting a. a can of beer with her face on it and made Budweiser imbev paid dearly for it. They get mad at

Yeti coolers and fill them with tannerite and blow them to Kingdom Come. They set fire to their own Nikes over Colin Kaepernick. So what happens if McDonald's, etc., issue a press statement assuring the general public that they will not be consuming any mystery meat? And Can, in fact, these burger joints even say that? I don't know. But the thing is, if anybody's paying attention, and of course, I don't know. Look, we've been talking about this for a little bit, both on today's program and on previous programs, how many broadcast minutes have the multimillionaire for-profit media devoted to this mystery meet,

which, you know, depending on which mystery meat we're talking about, could give someone cancer or a blood clotting disease. One would think this was the epitome of need to know and duty to warn. Meanwhile, the plaintiff's lawyers are probably out there going, whee. I don't know. By mid-October, you may be seeing ads on the TV saying, have you been injured by a hamburger now i can't say this for sure three hundred thousand metric tons is a is a whole lot of mystery meat but well you can just about bet that whalehead dead bear

brainworm lamprey is is is is somewhere going i sure hope we can get hold of some of that mystery meat i i really want the rotten kind uh the article the opinion piece in the Times was pretty interesting with Mr. Schlosser saying, if you want a hamburger, I suggest going to your local butcher shop rather than the supermarket, ordering cuts of American beef and asking for them to be ground on the premises. Otherwise, there's really no way of knowing what's in your meat or how many international borders it crossed to reach your plate, or, you know, how many pesticides have gone into it or illegal dangerous antibiotics or growth hormones or what you...

Are we going to have a nation of people walking around with babies' arms growing out of their heads? Or just in the damn hospital? And how many of them will be part of the 10 million people who have lost their health care coverage since nitwit Nero came into office? Now, here at the Midwestern Command, And I am fortunate. There's a little meat market just around the corner from where I am.

And it's the best hamburger I've ever had. I asked them, where does it come from? They said, oh, we know exactly where it comes from. It comes from Pennsylvania. So I'm guessing that's not Pennsylvania, Argentina, Pennsylvania, Uruguay, Pennsylvania, Paraguay, or Pennsylvania, Brazil. And the nice thing is I can go in there and say, hey, I'd like a, just like Mr. Schlosser here suggests, I can say, hey, I'd like a pound ground extra fine.

And the cool thing is about this little place, they will, I literally watch them grind it. And it's no more expensive than what I would what I pay elsewhere. And as much as I love Aldi, not going to buy any hamburger at Aldi. Not going to buy any hamburger at Kroger's. Not at Wally World. I don't buy meat at Wally World anyway. So, you know, this is all, here's our evening Latin phrase. This is all a matter of caveat emptor.

Let the buyer beware. but Schlosser went on to explain why we have the mystery made. Mr. Batista gained the White House meeting last November because of his friendship with Melanoma Trump. Not long after, JBS got approval from the Securities and Exchange Commission to be listed on the New York Stock Exchange a privilege the company had sought for almost a decade. I wonder why they couldn't get on the New York Stock Exchange before then. Could sanitary practices or unsavory safety

protocols have had something to do it. So, thanks melanoma for the mystery meat. And again, she doesn't eat meat anyway. Hell, she can't see her reflection in the mirror. She drinks blood. And only after dark. There are rumors of her

skulking around downtown D.C. when she can't get a fresh victim and just munching on the occasional rat. Here little rat. Here, right, the rat, the rat, the rat, right, right, right, right. Here. Eh, um, um, and uh, from, from Miss Micah, well, I've been flirting with the idea of going more vegetarian. The, oh, right.

lettuce. Fuck. I know. It's same for me. This is going to, this is going to put a, it's not like I could afford good beef in the first place. We're talking about, hey, you know, I'm talking about going to the meat market for hamburger. I happen to be in the store today, and I saw a one, and, and I'm sure that the beef farmers aren't exactly happy. about this. I mean, I saw a $180 beef tenderloin. Now, granted, that's more than Victoria and I would eat, but, you know, like for a big family gathering for a holiday or something like that. Yeah, $180. $120 for an untrimmed brisket. Who can buy it?

who can afford that from brother deacon asa mystery meet i don't know how much time the mainstream media have dedicated to this issue but kucky tuckie tuckie did a deep dive into it last week and it's pretty fucked up affair you know we're in an upside down timeline when tucker fucking carlson has emerged as a truth teller oh i know uh we had him what last week explaining that he would not vote for mike rogers up in michigan if if a gun were put to his head that's some pretty tall talk uh in and out burger lee a lea new york asked doesn't the use of mystery meat mean that in and out has become a nationwide description apologies for dinner all no need to apologize lee i i took care of that a long time ago that's on me i'm a mad i imagine uh dave and taliban diana

and the blind is even like, Jesus, Roxanne, a hell of a way to come back from the weekend. Maybe we'll have more luck with the second hour of the program. Maybe dinner can be salvaged in the central daylight time zone. And from Cynthia, going back to New Mexico, anyone want to bet how long it'll be before Google and Apple lick Trump's ass and changed the name of New Mexico to New America? I'm sure they're going to do it.

And to be sure, given how both Apple and Google both love doing Trump's bidding, I actually won't be taking that bet myself. You know what? We need somebody to become the official horn prediction market correspondent. You know, learn how the platforms work and then go and check and see if there's any actual betting going on on some of these things. things and what the odds are and whatnot. Mystery meat. And of course, it is Labor Day, so, oh, hey, yeah, the password, Brownie. No, I don't mean like a fudge brownie. I don't even mean like Michael Brown during Katrina of heck of a job Brownie infamy. No, of all the, of all the nicknames we've, of all the nicknames we've

come up with for nitwit Nero over the years. We've got one more, Brownie. I trust you know what I'm talking about. He, or perhaps Natalie, I don't know. Natalie is a solid bet, speaking of prediction markets, to be involved in all of his madness at this point in time. she probably posted the slew of tripe social gruntings and AI slop over the weekend. There is nothing that woman will not do for nitwit, Nero.

But yeah, he dyed his hair. Maybe he finally found out that people were calling him an orange man. So he went brown. he's running around out there with different colored hair now. I know this seems vapid and vacuous, but when we're talking about a man in the throes of frontotemporal dementia, well, the, uh, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, Ph.D. in, uh, physical therapy who deals with a lot of geriatric dementia patients.

He's on, on social media as epistemic crisis explained. and Mary Trump had talked about this in the past, that back in the day, as he slid into the depths of his own demise, Friedrich Trump, nitwit Niro's daddy, was seized by the desire to change his hair color. And because he was all kinds of fucked up in the head. and, well, didn't have a Natalie. He wound up dyeing his hair purple and his big old bushy eyebrows, too.

And lo and behold, here's Nitt Niro doing the same damned thing. Cynthia says, I may go vegetarian at some point, but I will want to use up all the meat I have in my freezer first. No mystery meat for me. I won't be buying any. Well, you probably have a local butcher shop for things like hamburger. You can probably still do that, Cynthia. But back before Whalehead, Dead Bear, Raccoon penis brainworm lamprey of the Hianasport Brainworm Lampreys, way back before he wrecked the Department of Health and Human Resources, Well, we had it.

And the FDA, of course, the FDA being central to this, Brookie Rollins, rookie of the, a piece of chicken, three pieces of broccoli and a snack, will carry any American through the day in for me. Oh, they've wrecked everything. And at this point in time, I mean, it's, going back to John, It's not only not safe to go in the water, it's not safe to eat the vegetables.

It's not safe to eat the fast food meat. Made me think of that my favorite place to get a hamburger on God's Green Earth. Staggs's grocery down in East Florence, Alabama. I wonder, I bet their burgers are still safe. Here in Parkersburg, there's a place that's been. serving fantastic hamburgers for probably a hundred years. It's called the North End Tavern, the net. They've got the best burger in Parkersburg and the surrounding area, bar none. They opened as a little German beer hall back in the 1890s and have been serving continuously since.

But then again, you never know who's getting their stuff. from Cisco or U.S. foods or any of these big giant truck restaurant supply houses, guess who's going to be getting the mystery meet? Yeah, Cisco, U.S. foods. Sure. Huh. Oh, and hi, Darrell, Darrell in Houston. Labor Day. How can it be Labor Day when all of the stores and restaurants are open? Just saying, I think you're not wrong. This should be this day should be a secular shutdown. Nobody should be working on Labor Day. But people have to because, well, ever since Labor Day was established, there's been a relentless assault on, well, labor.

Workers of the world unite. You have nothing to lose but your chains. and from Lee, die Brownie, die, D-Y-E, as advised by Rudy, no one will notice. What is this? Is it Grecian formula? We don't know. But anyway, he issued, what Nero did, issued his Labor Day greeting today.

You know, I'm here three hours a night, Monday through Friday. I've been eyes wide open since I got back behind the mic and went back into radio and there have been times when it seemed like things were pretty damn bad but for the most part it all pales by comparison to where we are now

here's here's Canckel's Colleguilus Labor Day message I'm not kidding happy Labor Day to all including the radical left lunatics, communists, and Democrats who do anything possible to destroy our country. These deranged people, after fighting for ten years, should finally acknowledge that your favorite president, me, knows how to win. They should be exhausted by now, but sadly they're not.

They're going to give it one last try at ruining America, but we're not going to let that happen. we're going to win the midterms big and save America. See, that's one of those moments when you know that Natalie's doing the typing because it didn't say bigly. It said big. And I know we play this game a lot. But what if Joe Biden had put that out on social media?

Barack Obama. Dem leader. Clinton. Pappy Bush. even old 666 himself Ronald Wilson Reagan well first of all it is inconceivable that any of them would have done that

because to put something like that out into the body politic requires absolute monstrosity and requires something approaching the level no it's not approaching it is it requires the country to be in the grips of a fascist cult.

I know we are where we are. But my poor little noggin is having a hard time acknowledging reality. I mean, this is literally insane. And there is no one. No one who has the power to do so, who is willing to step up. and save this country from a mad emperor. I mean, all that AI slop yesterday, every last bit of it was insane, and no, he's not some sort of super genius who's doing this just to royal people.

He's gone if he was ever really there, non-compostmentis, not in his right mind. and we have a mechanism for dealing with it, but no one will. I mean, if you, if you, I know we despise him. I know not one of us would pee on him if he was on fire. But damn. I mean, yesterday he said we own the moon. Or, you know, Natalie posted an AI slop of it. She also posted an AI slop.

of him sitting in the incredibly tacky Oval Office with George Washington for fuck's sake. Also an AI slop image of him in a uniform riding alongside, as a general, riding alongside George Washington. We're talking about, and I wonder how, I wonder if professors actually. dare to teach this in like psych class as a classic example of unchecked insanity, of delusional paranoid behavior. As God is my witness, I do. I wonder that. Is anybody sitting around in this God-forsaken maladministration even wondering if maybe sort of kind of somebody should maybe try to sort of do something? No, they're not. I'm about to say something that almost breaks my brain. At other periods of time, when leaders have gone insane, people have tried to do something about it.

But we're just going to toddle along and think that the machinery of the Constitution will protect us when the machinery of the Constitution has already collapsed. The fact of this man's ongoing dementia is proof that the constitution of this country has collapsed. And the only people who can really tell the truth to numbers of people who might get it are comedians and satirists. South Park from a post over on what used to be Twitter. South Park posted a meme congratulating Trey Parker, Matt Stone, and the folks who create South Park after they won an Emmy yesterday for

Outstanding Animated Program. It's for last season's constant, near-constant, roasting of nitwit Nero. And the meme that they posted showed the classic image from that that season. That is to say, Canckels Caligula with no pants on, holding the golden Emmy in the air,

and captioned, you finally got your Emmy, which is a gouge at him. He's standing there with his pants around his ankles and his tidy whiteies down. You finally, finally got your Emmy, because he lost with the apprentice twice when he was doing. I never even saw a single episode.

The South Park Boys are there. Cartman, Stan, Kyle, Kenny. Jesus is there. And of course, so too is Satan, upon whom Newtlet, Nero, fathered a baby in that season. And by the way, the new season starts just nine days from now. And I'm there for it. The maggots, of course, are having a connoissem. They're deeply butt hurt.

And over on X, some maggot excremented. They couldn't win an Emmy when they were apolitical and made fun of every race, religion, and political viewpoint. But magically, the left indoctrinated Emmy Awards. raised South Park, it's hilarious, and gave them an Emmy after years of Trump bashing seasons. Some, some, some, some dude bro calling himself Maga Elvis excremented. Trump won them an Emmy. He wins at everything. Maybe the maggots will blow up their televisions now. Take that John Prine advice. Blow up your TV. eat a lot of peaches

try to find Jesus on your own we're so screwed I don't know maybe maybe David and Oregon can help help me David you're our only hope

well I don't wield force powers at least not to my knowledge well see that's how it is with Padawans you don't necessarily know you have them until you do because if I could move shit with my mind I think I would you know how are you

I'm doing all right happy Labor Day happy happy and contemplative Labor Day to you as well and you don't need you don't need to be told about the history of Labor Day no no

but it's a good it's a good day to reflect to remind each other about the importance of collective organization and it's the only it's the only thing that has worked historically in my mind, unless someone can point to something else, to topple regimes that are authoritarian and have usurped the power from the people.

I was just sitting here thinking about what you were talking about with the collapse of our democratic institutions. And I was thinking about it, and I was like, it took. It wasn't so much a collapse. It's not like they were atrophied. I mean, I guess there might have been some of that. But they were intentionally toppled. Yeah, well, I think it's a combination.

Yes, atrophy. They were, the maggots pushed and everything fell down. But I think I honestly, because if we go back to the 1970s, that's when corporate power really started to erode our democratic institutions right after the civil rights movement. I think upon the realization that the franchise was going to keep expanding and that the power was going to keep being wielded by the people. And corporate America decided that that was not a good thing for the people.

their bottom line. And that's when they started this decades-long assault on our democratic institutions. I really do think it was more of an intentional kind of, I think it had, I think it was more, it wasn't so much that they just pushed and it fell over. They had to erode the foundations of it first through, through holdings like Buckley-Ville A-Hove in the 70th. Yeah. And the whittling away of union power.

And you mentioned the 70s, and of course the early 70s is when the Powell memo came out. And that was the real roadmap for how to suppress democracy and bring corporate power to the ascendant. Written by Lewis Powell before he was a member of the Supreme Court. In fact, it got him rewarded with the Supreme Court. nomination. And he told American corporate American business, American banks, finance, corporations, he told them, take some of your money and fund think tanks that will then do the work of breaking all of this, uh, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this,

conscious communist, leftist, whatever, behavior. And they did. I mean, those are the origins of things like the Heritage Foundation.

That's what I was thinking about. And they were well funded from jump, you know, while the leftists and the liberals were over here, you know, still licking stamps and spending money on on, on ballpoint pens and pencils and giving them out away as campaign chotchkes.

Right. Breakfasts for children, stuff like that, Black Panther. Yeah. Yeah. Because. Something that. Because they were focused on systems and we were focused on helping the people on the ground. Well, and the thing is,

breaking those systems that were dealing with issues like hunger, consumed what little resources there were. You know, there used to be, Labor Day, there used to be in major newspapers a labor section and a labor editor. We talked about this, and I don't recall those days, like literally not in my lifetime. No. And I'm 42 years old. We used to teach it in schools.

And there were, you know, there were, there were newspapers that were published by labor organizations. And, you know, the socialists, you know, the daily, you know, the daily worker, the socialist world, the socialist world news service. I'm I'm old enough that I can remember there at Harvard on the Mon up in Morgantown. There'd be there'd be somebody outside the mountain layer, the student union, passing out the socialist newspaper. And of course, your humble-osus always happily took one and read it. Because it made sense. It does. I mean, yes. It makes a lot more sense than letting a tiny handful of incredibly wealthy individuals run roughshod over the rest of us.

Right. That doesn't make much sense. No, and, you know, here we are, Tara and I will be talking about this later. but, you know, Labor Day is in September because the origins of Labor Day are on May 1st, the International Workers Day, and we can't be doing any of that. We couldn't be honoring labor on that day because, well, that's commie. And it would also have served as an annual reminder of the brutality of the Haymarket Massacre and all the other massacres, too. Yeah. I mean, the Battle of Blair Mountain took place in 1921, so it's 105 years ago this year.

And that's the thing growing up in, for me, growing up in a time that all of that history has been literally suppressed. Exactly. It hasn't been neglected. It has been suppressed. It's been suppressed. And so I have to actively go through. I have to actively find. stuff to learn about that because this is not something that I was ever taught in school.

Well, I know you're not rolling in dough, but if you can find somewhere this evening, this would be, this would be the perfect day for it. Watch mate one. I watched mate one. Did you? I watched it. I did. Yeah.

Did it give you chills? I cried. Yeah. Like the part, the part that got me, honestly, was when, the little kid like used the Bible story to like change like because it was a code that all of them

that would be familiar with. Yeah. And if I recall correctly, he changed the story a little bit. Yeah, he turned it on a tear. Yeah, to communicate to the people in the congregation what was happening just down the road of ways. And the people that were there from the company

didn't recognize it. Right. But yeah, because Hickey and Grigsie were, you know, heathens and they didn't know their Bible. And so they didn't know that he had

turned a parrot, little Danny had turned a parable of the Bible into, he turned it on his ear and made it an endorsement of labor organizing. Yeah.

And I thought that that's the scene that's out. Yeah, I'm looking now to see if I can find the, if I can find the preaching scene. I always thought that, you know, because John Sales made it and he did a brilliant job with it. But I always thought it should have been like a trilogy. because what happens in Mate 1 leads to what happens to Sid Hatfield. And those two, and it would have been a massive undertaking.

And of course, these are the John Sales worked independently. You know, people with union cards got waivers from the union just to work with John Sales. because he was making he was making history let's see another scene just came back to me the one with James Earl Jones and he

where he was talking about I've been called I've been called a bunch of names but I never been called a scab yeah and see I mean and again these were real people. And there was a, you know, there was a real evil bastard named C.E. Lively, who was an insider for the coal company and the Baldwin Thugs. And everything that went, and the miners met in his

store, and every word that got said went right back to, uh, to the company and to the thugs. and he went on it was years and years and years ago i think i was still in law school but i actually read an interview in the atlanta journal constitution with his son or grandson talking about how he was a patriotic american who really hated communism and that he only did what he did at mate one because of how much he loved america but while we've been talking i have dug up the uh preaching scene with the parable okay it's it's short but well you've seen mate one so Yeah. Also, in Potipar's employ at this time were a couple of spies from one of his enemies.

Fellas that wanted to bring him down in the world, get their hands on his fields and houses. They seem to want and lust of Miss Potipar, and Sina would be good for their purposes to get shed of young Joseph. So they come to Potipar's wife. She calls Joseph in and she asks him one more time, Joseph, will you lie with me? And he says, no, ma'am, I won't. And she sets up a raucous and grabs hold of his garment he's wearing and rins it in two before he can get cleared. Potiphar runs in then with his guards, and she's abhorling her eyes out and shaking like a leaf. Your servant Joseph, she says.

He come in here and tried to make me lie with him. Only when I called out he fled, leaving this here garment as evidence. And not only that, she says, he's been spied and plotting against you with your enemies. He needs to take over here and have you killed. Poutapar had no reason to misbelieve his wife. Joseph was a slave and a foreigner. So he gathered up his servants and household workers, and they went to slew Joseph dead. Cut him from gut to gizzard and left him bleeding in a stream.

And lo, they never learned to Miss Potipar's lives and went to their maker unrepentantant with innocent blood on their hands. Draw your own conclusions. Yeah. And if I recall the scene, if I recall the movie correctly, this was about the time where they were, where they were taking a woman down to the, to the riverbank. And he was communicating through that to the people in the, in the, in the congregation there, what was going on outside. Yeah, it was said. They had set up the union organizer, you know, because this is a story about Joseph from the Old Testament. And the union organizer's name is Joe. And so the light, you know, the light begins to go on. I mean, well, it's Labor Day. Let's have a little fun, David.

Here's another scene. This is before the preaching goes down. This is at the Rumen House. And by the way, if you heard in the previous, if you heard the previous clip, you heard some snickering and giggling. going on. Well, the Baldwin thugs are drunk in church. And they're the ones who are snickering because they'd previously been making fun of young Danny, the preacher there. This is before the church service.

SMPs, boy. Pass MPs, Danny. Boy, deaf or dumb or what? Daniel ain't dumb. Daniel's a preacher. That right, boy, you a preacher. What do you preach to, boy? Squirrels? Daniel preached at the meeting last night. It was a good number of souls there.

You a soul-saber boy? You won't have a go to me and Grigsie here. We ought to be a real challenge. He's a squirrel preacher as what. He stands up on a stump out in the woods and testifies to the holy rodent. Daddy? You in a hurry to meet your maker, boy?

Ain't no guns allowed at table. Sit down, Danny. You do what your pretty mama says, a preacher. Put that away now, Mr. It's a gun. Pack it away, Gracie. Look, we're going to be here a while, little lady. You can have it the easy way or the hard way.

Now, how about them peas? Boys getting on my nerves. And, of course, they were Baldwin thugs from the Baldwin-Felds detective agency. Evil. Incarnate. Yeah. So remind me, so Joe was the one out there about to get murdered, not the not the lady. Right. In the scene. Okay. Okay. I've only seen it once. You've probably seen it multiple times.

Yeah. And probably, it's hard to find anymore. I think I had to rent it off of Amazon, if I recall correctly. But it was before I graduated from law school. so it's been it's been over a year-h-h-h-h-and you know there was a there was an informant inside the union but another thing that sales worked into the film and and this is okay these are coal miners but this was this was ubiquitous inside the labor movement because among other things there was always money to hire preachers to preach against organized labor as being unchristian. In fact, I don't know if you know this, David, but Billy Graham got his start as an anti-union preacher in the pay of big business. I did not know that.

Yeah. The man who preached not only, well, he preached LBJ's funeral and he preached Richard Nixon's funeral. And of course, we all know that in Nixon's White House tapes, Nixon can be heard because Billy Graham just could walk through the doors of the White House willy-nilly. and he's there on tape with Richard Nixon, with Richard Nixon saying, well, Billy, it was the Jews, those Hollywood Jews and the hippies. And there's Billy Graham saying, yes, Mr. President, it was, praise Jesus. Those were the Jews, Billy. We could have had a great, we could, we could have made America great by now, but the Jews.

And here's this Christian paragon. Yes, yes, it was the Jews. And so, inmate one, John Sales himself plays a pro-company preacher. And they, you know, the coal companies used, I mean, nothing changes, does it, David? No. every pulpit from sea to shining sea have preachers in them who scream and and and politic from the pulpit and say that well you can't vote for your own damned well-being because those democrats kill

babies and the faithful eat it up so here's john sails preaching against the evils of unions. Listen to me now, listen to me. The prince of darkness is upon the land. Name the bible, his name is Bielzabal. To the fly. Today, his name is Bolshevist, socialist, comedy of ox among us.

What are we going to do about it? And, of course, again, trying to rouse the crowd to go and murder the union organizer. As union organizers had been murdered across the country. In fact, there's references in Mayleon to Big Bill Hayward and Joe Hill because those names were common. They were common knowledge in the union movement. Let's see. I think I've got the clip here that you were talking about. This is the, and trigger warning, there's some ugly language going to come at you here.

Because what they always do, what corporate power does, what capital does, it separates the working class from itself. It is Napoleonic warfare. Divide and conquer. And conquer. Yeah. and so and this happened all over the country again not just Appalachia not just West Virginia not just the Coalfields but if you could bring in strike breakers especially if those strike breakers were in some manner some wise different from the striking from the striking workers you immediately had a better

opportunity of breaking the union. And so at one point in time, in CE Lively's store, who was a real person, they were having a meeting about what to do with the new strike breakers, because in this case, the company brought in by rail, African-American families from the south, and they also brought in immigrants. In fact, you know, out where you are, the term is where the term Shanghai became known. And it was basically a matter of drunken men being impressed into shipping service, merchant marine, on Pacific crossings. they might wind up in Shanghai. The same thing happened in Appalachia.

There's a ghost town in the new river now, David. It's called Brooklyn, spelled just like the borough in New York. And coal company assholes would meet immigrants coming off the boat from Italy, central Europe, Europe who had no idea about anything relative to the United States, locations, whatever. Maybe they had a note from family that was already here. And so they would say, hey, we're going to Brooklyn. You want to go to Brooklyn? Wow.

And these immigrants, who weren't coal miners, who were tradesmen of other sorts? who were, you know, tradesmen of other sorts would say, yeah, and the next thing you know, you're on a 20-hour train ride to the New River Gorge of West Virginia and a little coal company town called Brooklyn where you were impressed into mining and died in their thousands, because they had no idea what they were doing. So this is a union meeting about what to do about the foreigners and, you know, the black folk. That works better when I'm not muted, so. Someday I'll have a producer. That's a joke.

First thing we've got to have is all of these niggers and all these dagos that come in here to take our jobs thrown out of mine. Mine tell they got them in our houses. They're sitting in our tables right now. and they're sleeping in our beds while we're out living under a piece of canvas at the back of the holler. I've been a union man my whole life. I know the story with these coal operators and their gun thugs. I'm going to interrupt for a second to say that this this monologue is being delivered by the union spy, C.E. Lively. Okay, right, right, right.

Union man my whole life. I know the story with these coal operators and their gun thugs. the only thing they understand is the bad end of a bullet and if we show them we just as soon blow up their damn minds and seen them work by a bunch of scads and then they're going to listen someone's come

to tell it's got someone tell me you don't get chills yeah where'd you find him you come right up on the steps they told me to see E live is where the union men's meet so

I got business with the union that's so What's your name, son? They calls me few clothes. I didn't come here looking for no trouble. The men's got to eat. Man's got to eat. They told me that they was jobs here.

Go home nigger. God damn scab. You bought your mouth, Peckerwood. I've been called nigger. And I can't help that the way white folks is, but I ain't never been called no scab. And I ain't fixing the start up now. I go ton for ton loading COVID, any man here.

When I do, I expect the same dollar for the same work. You'd have this holler alive, son. You'd be doing good for yourself. Union men my ass. You won't be treated like men? You want to be treated fair? But you ain't men to that coal company. Your equipment.

Like a shovel, a gondola car. a hunk of wood brace. They'll use you until you wear out or you break down or you buried under a slate fall, and then they'll get a new one. And they don't care what color it is or where it comes from. It doesn't matter how much coal you can load

or how long your family has lived on this land. If you stand alone, you're just so much shit to those people. Do you think this man is your enemy? Huh? This is a worker. Any union keeps it. this man out, ain't a union. It's a goddamn club. Now, they got you fighting white against colored, native against foreign, holla against holla. When you know there ain't but two sides of this world, them that work and them that don't. You work, they don't. That's all you got to know about the

enemy. You say you got guns. I know that you all the brave men. And I know you could shoot it out with the company if you had to. But the coal company don't want this union. The state government don't want it. The federal government don't want it. And now all of them just waiting for an excuse to come down and crush us to nothing. Fellas, we're in a hole full of coal gas here. The tiniest spark at the wrong time is going to be the end of it.

So we got to pick away at this situation, slow and careful. We got to organize and build support We got to work together Together So they can't get their coal out of the ground without us Because we're a union Because we're the workers, damn it And we take care of each other

How can we shut the mind down If we're on dynamite them The men walk out All of them That's chance Spy Right And every man that walks in

out on his own steam. We're taken to the union. All the day goes and all the colors. That's what a union is, fellas. You better get used to it. Yeah, that scene is so powerful. I get tears.

Yeah, I was cheering up. I was getting chills and stuff. My goodness. Yeah. And I mean, in my case, you know, I've never been a member of a union. Never, ever. but I believe in it with my entire soul.

And I think I've mentioned previously, you know, the same old fights going on again. The teamsters that drive for a massive brewing, a massive beer distribution company out of Charleston. Been on strike for 180 days now. Last I checked, because the beer distributor wants to pay less money to poorer workers for shittier service.

Make more money for themselves. Right. And you'll notice that the union organizer in that scene doesn't call it the company. Did you notice what he calls him, David? The enemy. The enemy. The enemy. Because the oppression, the oppression of the corporate.

class is the enemy of people who work. That's right. That's right. Do you remember that scene from Wall Street where Bud's dad, Bud is the financial advisor guy that gets caught up with Gordon Gecko? And Bud's dad is a union man. He works for the Blue Star Airlines. that Gecko's trying to buy so we can gut it.

What he really wants to get at is the union pension plan, all that money in the pension plan. Right. So he needs Bud to convince his dad to let Gordon take over the company so we can get all that money in the pension plan. He doesn't tell that to Gordon. He doesn't tell that to Bud. Gordon Gecko doesn't. This is the same movie where we get the, the, the, uh, greed is good scene. Right. But there's, uh, there's a scene of that movie where Bud's dad played by, uh, Martin Sheen,

he gives a speech about the pyramids. Do you remember that? Uh, no, but, hmm. Let me see if I can find. Because that, that is like, it, since we're talking about unions and stuff, It's going to take me a minute I'm looking here Yeah

Because Because I bring that up because we started with the 70s Right And then we have this full-on assault This propaganda campaign Oh here I found the quote I found the quote Okay good because I can't find the actual scene

Yeah So Oh, man. But again, this comes from a Bible quote. Carl Fox is Bud Fox's dad's dad, played by Martin Sheen. And he is talking to Gordon Gecko. In this scene, he says, there came into Egypt of Pharaoh who did not know is what Carl Fox said. And then Gordon Gecko says, I beg your pardon, is that a proverb?

Carl Fox goes, no, a prophecy. The rich have been doing it to the poor since the beginning of time. The only difference between the pyramids and the Empire State Building is that the Egyptians didn't allow unions. I know what the sky is all about. Greed. He don't give a damn about Blue Star or the unions. He's in, he's in and out for a buck and he don't take no prisoner. Yeah.

That's, yeah. And it's the enemy. Yeah, the mention of the pyramids, you know, there, because, you know, archaeology nerd, ancient history nerd, I've been babbling a lot for a better part of a year now about the collapse of the Bronze Age, because I think there are really significant lessons for us in it. but in a matter of almost no time at all, what we know is the Hittite Empire completely collapsed. Their capital city was depopulated. And if you look at what that city was, it was called Hattusa, it was vast. But the main part of the city was occupied only by the well to do.

the people who worked and kept the city going were more or less outside the walls. So they were at the mercy of anybody who came along. And at some point in time, somewhere around probably 1170 BCE, something happened, and there were a bunch of somethings. There were earthquakes. There was famine. There was drought. but at some point in time the workers decided that they didn't want to spend their time supporting a useless overclass and they walked away and the Hittite empire poof and the same thing happens in ancient Greece

archaic Greece in fact the what we know is the mycenaeans and it happens at roughly the same time people just go away. Because the thing is, they knew how to live. The pampered little princelings and whatnot were fucked. And if you study this, you begin to see this happen in other places. You know, lost cities, forgotten cities, among the Maya. They built these massive, massive. massive, ginormous cities in Central America.

And along the way, they fuck their ecosystem because it's a jungle ecosystem, it's a tropical ecosystem, and they wound up deforesting themselves for lumber to burn to create lime, which they then used to plastic. these massive pyramids that we find so fascinating today, and they are, they're amazing. And what, you know, they were, they were very like the Greek city states. And so these Stilai were put up extolling the great, the great accomplishments of the leader. And again, the scribes, the priests, the royalty, all lived within the city compound, while the people who kept them alive lived outside the walls

and were subject to any and all these city-states were constantly at war with each other and so if one city-state would fall upon another the first people who got slaughtered were the workers and they got tired of it and they walked away I can't remember her name a famous anthropologist working in Guatemala or

southern Mexico among Maya people telling them about these ancient cities and one of these indigenous people looked at her and said whatever happened to these Maya and she realized the profundity with which

you know we lose connection to our past she said you're their descendants you're them and even something as modern as Maitwan or Haymarket or the triangle shirt waste factory fire the Pullman strike the the the

massacre in Flint I mean as recent as 50 years ago hard for me to believe that that's within my living memory this was a wall-to-wall union state and it was a bastion of democracy and Democrats. And it's all gone now. Because the people whose great-great-grandparents marched at Blair now think they're Republicans. And they think they're MAGA. And they're going to make America great again, even though people all over this state whose names end in vowels were the ones that were

sought to be excluded, but they settled into the life of the community. And the next thing you know, well, we've talked about the sliding scale of whiteness. And so people whose great-great-grandfathers toiled in the minds, well, they're, they're, somebody now, kind of. they work probably for wages that are of less value than what they themselves are worth but by God they worship that Trump I mean it's all over the state again David I don't know if you were listening when I mentioned this is one of the last three states in the union and I'd guess the other two are probably what Idaho or Alabama maybe South Carolina Mississippi there are only

three states left in the union where Trump is above water. This is one of them. And it breaks my heart. And maybe that's because I actually have a living memory. Because down it, what, it closed. Because the business model was so shitty. Nobody would come in at 4 o'clock in the morning to make biscuits at Tudor's Biscuit World. But there was a panoramic photo that hung on the wall down there of the day shift of the Gawley Mountain Coal Company.

And there's one man with a bemused, wide-eyed look on his face. And it's the spring of 1921. Blair Mountain is about to happen about, you know, 100 miles south. And he's just standing there. You have to be very still for a panoramic camera or else you'll wind up on both sides of the photo or you'll just be a blur. And he's just standing there very still and his eyes are wide open. There's no expression on his face. It's almost like he looks like he's in a state of shock.

And, you know, who knows who had died in the mind the day before? My great-grandfather's in that photo. uncles, great uncles. But the man with the wide-eyed thousand-yard stare was my grandfather. And he was about to become a father for the first time. I think he's 1920. I said 21, but I think it's 20. So he was 26 years old.

And he'd already seen the carnage of the First World War. And my father, who was... was his son, told me that his daddy never, ever talked about what he had seen in France. Gas, boys, gas. I had a great uncle he came back from over there who was never able to hold down a job after he got back because he'd been gassed. And I met him. But my grandfather, my great-grandfather, my father were all union coal miners. And they passed that information. And they passed that information. generationally. And somewhere it just dropped.

I don't necessarily know where or when, but in the late 40s and early 50s, when it came time for the Vituminous Coal operators of America, the companies, to renegotiate their contract with the United Mine Workers of America, the United Mine Workers were concerned about losing jobs because of mechanization.

John L. Lewis was the president of the UMWA, and this is, you know, we talk about soft voter, suppression, David? Or you don't have to intimidate anybody. You just tell them, well, there's no difference between the Republicans and the Democrats. And people, well, if there ain't no difference, why the hell am I going to vote? Well, there was another kind of soft oppression. And when the United Mine Workers went to renegotiate their contract there at the

middle of the 20th century, he said, we're worried all these continuous miners and whatnot are going to put our rank and final out of work. And the Batumines Coal Operators of America said, well, don't you worry about that? We got a solution. I remember the United Mind Workers of America, that scene that we saw there where he said, I see a worker. And, you know, skin color doesn't matter. Ethnicity doesn't matter in a union.

We're all workers. We work. They don't. The United Mine is. workers of America at its founding in Indiana from jump was an integrated union. There was no segregation. There was no refusal to enroll African American or any other coal miner. But at mid-century, the bituminous coal operators of America looked at John L. Lewis and said,

we got a solution to this little problem. And John L. Lewis said, yeah. He said, you just get rid of all your black union members, and we'll guarantee the white union members keep working. John L. Lewis said, done. Biden conquered. And in a trice, the UMWA became literally disintegrated and would never have the African-American membership. that it had had in its heyday, in its glory days. And it does. It drives me crazy, David, because,

I mean, it's a, it's, it's, it is a divide and conquer strategy. It's, it's dividing the people who have a common, who have common economic interests, from organizing to defeat the people who have the, who also have a common economic interest and all of the money and political and economic power. The only thing that's going to beat them is solidarity amongst the people that work for a living

because there's more of us and always will be than there are of them. And we have to... That's why. And we have to have people. That's why if we stop working, everything stops. And we have to have people who can explain that appealing to your baser instincts, your baser emotions, racism, xenophobia, homophobia, doesn't win you anything.

It just makes your lizard brain feel good. And so, you know, here we are in West Virginia. Yeah. Hundreds of thousands of people don't have clean drinking water. We buy bottled water here at the Midwestern Command because long ago, DuPont and Union Carbide dumped so much poison into the ground that there's no way to get the poison out of the water. You bathe in it. You wash your dishes in it. But when it comes to making your children, you're, coffee or quenching your thirst, you don't drink it. You do not drink it. And children are literally starting school this year without sufficient clothing because we spent a million dollars on an America 250 celebration down by the Cana River and all the money, all the money dried up.

for the clothing voucher program so that poor kids wouldn't have to go to school looking like poor kids. We believed in that kind of thing once, but apparently no more. Education is disruptive to poverty. They know that too, which is why they've gutted education funding, which is why they're trying to private,

which is why they're trying to privatize education funding so that only their kids get education. so that they can perpetuate this hierarchy of rich versus poor. Exactly. And the thing about it is they have flooded our political institutions with money. That the Supreme Court, like I said, starting back in Buckley v. V. Vallejo started saying that this, it was okay to create a pact, to create a, an ability where

money could be funneled through the corporate form as Thurgan Marshall called it. Money of being funneled through the corporate form to distort and erode our democracy. And then, like you said, they used religion. They used moles and spies and purchased the mechanisms by which people get their information.

We have corporate media behemoths now, just so that they can control what people here and see. It's the entire idea of a hegemony. They use the, they use the cultural institutions, not just the economic ones to reinforce their ideology. And then it becomes as if people are choosing what appears to be the make the Maritigan thing when they never had a choice in the first place.

From the moment they were born, they were bombarded by every aspect of our society that they have co-opted so that they can push their ideology onto unsuspecting people. And so we all grew up, at least my generation and younger, we all grew up having this ideology pushed upon us. And so that's what's making us so angry because we bought it, hook, line, and sinker. we were like, well, if we go to school and take on all this debt and we would have some sort of stability as we entered into adulthood. And none of it was true to begin with because in the background, in the background, they were gutting everything.

They were gutting all of the institutions. And so a lot of us, my generation and younger, are like, this is bullshit. Some of us can't find our asses from our elbows. But for some of us, we've, me specifically, I've done a lot of, I've taken a lot of time to figure out how these systems work. I mean, it's like one of the reasons why I came to law school in the first place was it was because I wanted to see how these systems operate. in reality, not the not the propagandistic bullshit that I had been taught in school,

but how they worked in reality. And I'm still learning new stuff every day, you know? Absolutely. And I don't, I don't know what, I don't know what's going to break the, I don't know what's going to break the curse. What's going to break the hold that the enemy

because I like that, the enemy has placed over everybody. They're scared of the Epstein files. Possibly because they know, I mean, the reason why the, the reason why the prosperity gospel shit was so successful is because they have, they're praying upon people propensity to believe in something higher than themselves, And people whose world is hell on earth, if you promise some pie in the sky when they die, well, if that's what they got, that's what they got. It also explains the stranglehold of the Roman Catholic Church on medieval Europe. Yeah.

All of it was to keep the powerful in their money. in power. Always. It was a designed apparatus to do that. In fact, at the time, you know Occam's razor. William of Occam

was a real Franciscan scholar. Mathematician, logician, and he was caught up in the great debate over whether or not Jesus Christ owned property and not real not realty like we think but any property did Jesus Christ

own the clothing that the Romans took off of him and gambled over and it was so heated and so fierce it led to great conflict within the Roman Catholic Church because well the Pope and all of his cardinals and all of his bishops were filthy fucking rich and if you if you made an argument that that the church had no business being in the holding of property vine right then the whole thing comes apart right but you mentioned something and i want to i want to loop back to it first of all, there's your mention of the Epstein files. I trust you saw the story yesterday of the attempt on the life of Dr. Amy Acton, the Democratic nominee for governor in Ohio. I saw a headline.

I didn't look into it, though. Well, it had no sooner happened than Laura Looney with no evidence. whatsoever went screaming onto X and just flung excrements left and right, braying that this was all a false flag set up by the Democrats to make we wake, Ramalama, ding, dong, look bad. So my first instinct right there, Roxanne, is like, what false flag are they planning? Yeah, but there's more. It's always a Gensu commercial with me.

you know. It was not a false flag. The Ohio Highway Patrol, other law enforcement, rapidly took into custody and subdued a man who was carrying not one but two freedom protectors. His name Patrick Havis, 38 years old. He had two pistols and a taser. and it was at some fair and Amy Acton was speaking at the Democratic Party tent and he tried to force his way through the crowd in order to murder her. He was stopped. He didn't even get off a shot.

But it leads to the question, who is Patrick Havis? Well, he's the brother of Andrew Havis. Andrew Havis in turn was a part of Senator John Hustod's senatorial campaign. Ohio, right? Ohio. Okay. Hustid is the one being challenged. He got the gig after the J.D. Egg became vice president.

And so he's running for a term of his own against Sherrod Brown, who would like to be a senator again. Please and thank you. Yes. Well, along the way, this Andrew Havis, who was working on the Hustid campaign, gave $10,10,10,10,10,10,10,10,000, to We Wake Ramalama Ding Dong. But that's not where the story ends. Andrew Havis was in fact

Hustad's campaign manager and I guess they didn't do their background work, David, because in 2009 Andrew Havis entered a guilty plea in a case involving a 15-year-old. Okay, can we stop for a second? Absolutely. Because I need to make sure.

make sure that there are two hobbeses. Yes. Which was the hobbes, because I'm really bad with names, and I apologize for that. Which was the hobbits that tried to shoot up the... That wanted to murder Amy Acton. That's Patrick. Yeah. His brother is Andrew.

And Andrew's the one that is the kitty fucker. Yes, apparently. Okay. I mean, guilty. Thank you. It says, it says guilty, We plea in a case involving a 15-year-old. This is from Tiffinohio.net.

But this is who they are. And yeah, they want to keep this shit hidden. And more and more, and they're finding it more and more difficult to do so. And along the way, well, let's see. You're from San Diego, aren't you? I am originally, yes. Okay. Well, let's check in with Action Team Eyewitness News for you, NBC Channel 7, San Diego.

Oh, NBC 739, because it was 39 on the UHF. Okay. Back when I was a child. Well, they reported a story in which... a San Diego sheriff's deputy assaulted 16 women. He was convicted of it in 2019. He assaulted 16 women while on duty as a San Diego sheriff's deputy and in uniform. What would happen is the women would call to report a crime.

He would show up and rape them. Wow. Again, convicted. Well, as of now, the San Diego Christian Law Enforcement Fellowship, also known as Clef, yet another 501C3 tax-exempt grift, their mission is to provide support to members of the law enforcement community through spiritual outreach. Yeah, they hired, they hired Richard Fisher, convicted of raping 16 women, or charged with raping 16 women, and convicted of something in 2019. Yeah, they hired him as chaplain with San Diego Christian Law Enforcement Fellowship. Jerry Hara, President of Cliff, said, he's going to seminary school as well. he's given his life and he's a changed man 16 women he pulled them over or they called the

san diego county sheriff's apartment between 2015 and 2017 originally charged with 20 counts then entered a guilty plea to seven on the day he was set to go to trial prosecutors said fisher would return to victim's homes late at night after the call had been cleared from dispatch records and no other deputies were present. The crimes occurred in several communities including Vista, Lakeside, El Cajon, and San Marcos. The former deputy admitted to hugging, kissing, and groping them without their consent, and forcing some to perform oral sex. For all of this, he got three years and eight months in the stir.

He didn't have to register as a sex offender because the circuit judge said that if psych evaluate, and said he didn't have a sexual pathology, but an emotional motive structured around power. Well, for once, the news media did their damn job, because the update to this story says that now that the cat's out of the bag, Clef released a statement to NBC San Diego stating the organization was cutting ties with Richard Fisher. Well, what happened to not perfect just forgiven? They laid a dollar short, in it? Yeah.

You know, the guy from Clef said, my heart goes out to all the victims. So that's not surprising to me. There's something really not good, I don't say, Diego. There is, when I was there, before I moved up here, there is a church there called the Rock Church, whose pastor used to be a San Diego Charger.

He's one of these prosperity gospel people. And he's got ties to a lot of people in power in San Diego there. And it does not surprise me that. there are, that there is a ring of people involved in some sort of sex stuff there, because the Rock Church itself in San Diego has been linked to kitty porn, kitty, kiddie sex stuff. I'm looking for it now. I was looking to see if I could find a connection between the Rock Church and this Christian

law enforcement fellowship, but I couldn't. But I'm sure there is one that has not been reported on, just because of the nature of the two organizations. Yeah, this is just, I'm trying to find this. Six women who claim they were victims of sexual battery and harassment at a drug and alcohol recovery program affiliated with the rock churches from Fox by San Diego from, like, 2014. So there's something weird going on in San Diego. And of course, I was sexually assaulted in the care custody of control of the San Diego Sheriff's Department when I was in jail in San Diego. I'm sorry. I hope I wasn't triggering.

No, no, not at all. I think there's something really unholy going on in San Diego. But I just, I don't, I can't. I can't prove it, and I wish I could. Yeah, meanwhile, the acting secretary of the Navy is worried about witches in Monterey. Right. Yeah. But we have actual stuff going on all over the place.

Does anybody have any guesses, any uncertainty whatsoever of how this creep votes or voted? Of course, being California, he's probably got his right to vote back. and I'm sure he used it to vote for Donald Trump. Probably. And this guy that I'm talking about, Miles McPherson, Miles McPherson at the Rock Church in San Diego. I mean, it's like one of the biggest churches in San Diego. It's one of those, you know, non-denominational megachurch things.

When I was spiritually aloft, spiritually afloat, I actually attended church there. and I almost got caught up in it, but I didn't because I was really searching for something. But I realized how awful this guy was. And so he was like advocating for Prop 8 from back in the day, like when California was trying to legalize gay marriage. He was like railing against that and like preaching from the pulpit about how bad that was. and the devil walks among us yes exactly exactly and he's been on Fox News a bunch and he I distinctly remember he brought in when I was going to that church he brought in one of the because I was looking for like I don't know I was really lonely and I was looking for like community whatever

Anyway, that's why I went. He brought in that that that that a historical historian. I can't remember his name that taught that like he was teaching. Oh, you come about wall builders. What is he? David. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that guy. Yeah, who makes up quotes from

Abraham Lincoln, George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Ben Franklin. Yeah. Yeah, he had he had him come speak at the church one time and he had what's his name the guy from Texas with the big with the big teeth oh Joel with the big teeth

yeah yeah you mean Joel Osteen Joel Osteen he's got a whole damn mouth full of ginormous teeth I mean that's I mean you know if he smiles why you can see his teeth

it's just like teeth it was like wow that's a lot of teeth Anyway. Yeah, he's the Cheshire Gospel Sharp. So there's a lot of that stuff going on in San Diego. And of course, San Diego is the big military town too, right?

Sure. I don't know. Well, I've got to. Go ahead. There's like a white supremacist thing going on in San Diego. Hand in hand. Yeah.

Like, you know who is from San Diego, too? Yeah. Tucker Carl He went to La Jolla country day. Oh, yeah, and his shitty father? Yeah. I mean, talk about the apple not falling far from the tree.

Tucker Carlson's father made his bones shitting on a trans woman. Wow, I didn't know that. And then Mitt Romney had a house in La Jolla. Something really unholy is going on there. Oh, and you know what? I think you're right because if you, if you go back to the novels of say Raymond Chandler. Okay, I don't know who that is, but okay.

The Big Sleep, farewell, my lovely, the long goodbye. The only reason I know the long goodbye is because it was the title of a Star Trek Next Generation episode. Yeah, okay, yeah. But he talks about filth and sleaze down in that area but he changes the name.

There's one part of the area that he calls Bay City. I forget which exact community it is. But, you know, he talks about that and, you know, to read to read how I just mentioned it.

Long goodbye. Long goodbye. Lady in the Lake. The first one I mentioned is a Humphrey-Belgart movie. Lauren Bacall. Man, it comes and goes. The big sleep. The big sleep.

The big sleep. Yeah. It's just for its time filthy. Graft corruption. The mob. you know and in the middle of it all a a knight-errant by the name of Philip Marlowe a detective but you know these things are all even in fiction we find truth uh Chandler has a quote about uh behind every great behind every great fortune is a great

crime and that he had he was a genius writer basically um oh god i remember mr stress and i would talk about this um in the pantheon after dashel hammett comes raymond chandler and raman chandler more or less perfected the noir style of detective mystery fiction yeah it's just but yeah i just wanted to mention that because it's coming out of that same seedbed if you will yeah and uh darrell in Houston with a note subject line, David and Roxanne. I'm glad I can say this while David's online. The conversations between David and Roxanne are to me equivalent to graduate level courses. I know most of what's been said tonight, but I do not have the grasp of the details from history supporting the arguments. My memory doesn't work that way. I remember generalities, not details,

for the most part. The difference between the maggots and all other conservative types and people on the so-called left is we can hear evidence that goes against our indoctrination, understand it, absorb it, and merge it into our perspective on the world. The fascist side of the spectrum cannot do that. That is why they are ruled by beliefs, typically religious, that are easily argued against. Yeah, absolutely. And thank you for the kind words, Daryl. Thank you so very much. That's just, I appreciate it. And I'm sure David does. too um i do and by the way we got a shame on you from the camel cardinal brother deacon asa says re the guy with the big teeth from texas shame on both of you for highlighting ostein's teeth when he also sports such

fabulous head of hair he is so smarmy you know who okay people are gonna people are gonna well do you remember Do you remember when Houston was flooded and people were homeless? And he said, oh, no. He would not open the doors of his church to let people sleep. You might, yeah, you might get mud on my carpet. No, that's not Jesus's carpet. That's my fucking carpet. Right, right.

What an asshole. He, um, he's so smart. You know who he reminds me of? Gavin Newsome. He reminds me of Gavin Newsom. Oh, you're not wrong. Like, they both have that, like, Cheshire cat, like you were talking about earlier, kind of like, you know, smile. But, like...

I had a fraternity brother, eons ago, and we had a running gag. The reference was to putting on one's most winning smile. And that involves turning and just bearing your teeth. in as big a grin as you could possibly create. Because that's not creepy at all. No, no, no. Not at all. Oh, another tie.

San Diego's ties to white supremacy, just real quick. Okay. One American News Network, headquartered, corporate headquarters in San Diego. Oh, well, brush my teeth. No surprise. And a note from Tamara, also in San Diego, Under the Perfect Sun. Wasn't going to chime in about San Diego, but yeah, corrupt.

I got pulled over by a killer cop on my 18th birthday, name of Craig Pire. Some friends wrote about the corruption in a book with the late Mike Davis that was just re-released upon its 20th anniversary, Under the Perfect Sun, and Hey to David. So, hey, Tamara. Thanks, Cameron. that sounds interesting

under the perfect sun a killer cop I just I can't those moments I can deal with those moments are sincerely chilling I had one of my own

this past Friday evening after I got off air I went down to the settlements for dinner and on the way back I took the little shortcut that I always take to get home and the intersection with U.S. Highway 60, it's a T, and looking eastbound, it goes up into a curve, and you can't see around the curve.

But you can see far enough that, generally speaking, you can make a decision as to whether to turn or not. And then, of course, you look westbound up the hill, and that's a long view, and you know whether you're safe or not. Um, last Friday night was the first night of the football season for the local high school. And I'm still not okay, David. What happened? This little community very nearly, uh, no longer had an umble hostess. Because I'm, I'm super, super, uh, mindful and conscientious about the, those intersections because they're just, you know, because you're coming, you're up slope and you

kind of got to gun it, you know, to get to make your turn. I was turning left. I was turning westbound. And I looked left. I looked right. I looked left and even looked right again. There was no light coming toward me from eastbound. Okay. So I began my left turn. I never even heard a horn. there was no one there and in a split second I was being passed by some little probably two-door coop that had to be doing at least 100 miles an hour. Wow. On a two-lane U.S. highway. And I was rattled to my core.

Oh, I'm so sorry. I mean, I got home and I said, you know, the margin of life and death is so. tiny, so minuscule. Because all I got was like, it was like watching, you know, if a military jet goes over, you don't hear it, and then you see a flick,

and then you hear the roar of the engines, and it's already over the horizon. Right. This was like that. Any inkling about how close it came to, like, clipping you? Yeah. I mean, I could see. see the side of the vehicle right next to mine.

Oh, God. There was no horn, there were no brakes, nothing. I can only assume it was probably some drunk kid or drunk, I guess drunk and underage with a hot shit little car that I don't know, mommy or daddy gave to him. It had to be a him. I don't know, there's not a woman alive that drives like that I know. And the thing is, after I continued my turn and just tried to collect my wits, he was westbound. And he was already up the, you know, I told you, that's a long view, up the hill.

And he was already over the hill and gone. Crested. Wow. In like a second. So he was driving really fast. and that's headed toward town that's that's probably too personal on my part but and did anybody stop in?

No. Well, no. I'm so, I'm sorry that happened. I'm still, I'm still kind of messed up, honestly. Something messed me up last week too. So Friday at 1.30, I was on the, I was doing the out-of-custody docket at the annex, which is the court annex, which is connected to the jail in Marion County. And I had a client there who was appearing for his first appearance after the arraignment.

So it was out of custody, so I've had the case for about 30 days. I had met with this guy yesterday, Thursday before the Friday, like I'd called him and we had chatted. the next day we do the hearing and I get a set over for another 30 days because I hadn't got all every I hadn't gotten an offer from the state. I hadn't, you know, really had time to work up anything for the case. Sure. After, after, I had four people on the docket. So after my last, my last case, after I call my last case and I'm walking out and I'm talking to, my other client,

someone goes, hey, your client's being arrested. And I said, for what? And I turn around, they hand me a judicial warrant signed by a magistrate sought for by ice.

Oh, shit. So they took my client into custody. And I did not know what to do in that moment. I had the presence of mind to ask the deputy because there weren't, these weren't ICE, these weren't ICE agents, thank God. This was the deputy executing a search warrant on behalf of ICE at the courthouse,

which I didn't know they did. Searching for what? For him. They had issued and the magistrate had issued a warrant on August 18th for his arrest. Okay, you said search warrant. So here we... Oh, I'm at arrest warrant. Yeah.

My fault. My fault. Jesus. And so I had no idea what to do. I had the presence of mine to ask the deputy to give me a moment with my client, right? Yeah. And he didn't speak anything with Spanish, so I had to call the office to get someone to interpret for us. Because he was sitting there.

He didn't know what was happening. He had no idea what was happening. So I was able to call someone at the office and get one of the legal assistance who spoke Spanish who speak Spanish to help me talk to him. I let him know they had a warrant for the rest and that they were taking him into custody for that. And I had the presence of mind of asking if I could call anybody for him. and so I got his wife's number and the deputy was actually kind enough to write it down on a piece of paper

so they could have it with him and take it with him as he went into custody so we would have his wife's number because I didn't know what to do and then I went back to the office and I just told my boss I was like I just had someone taken into custody you know, on an immigration warrant. I think I said by ice, but that's not what happened, right?

Because I was shaken up, you know, because I knew. I knew what he was going into, you know? And it just, it broke me that day. How could it not? And I just, I had no idea. And, like, no one had ever, I have not been through any training about what to do about, like, If ICE wants to pick up my client, you know what I mean? And I'm not an immigration lawyer.

I don't have any idea what to do, right? Luckily, though, I get back to the office and I tell my boss and she has me sit with a more experienced attorney and one of our investigators. We call his wife. We give him a bunch of, we give her a bunch of numbers to immigration attorneys. she said that she had just talked to him, so she was able to talk to him. Because I was thinking we would have to inform her of like, oh, yeah, by the way, your husband just got picked up by eyes, right?

Like, and I didn't know how to deal with that, how to process that emotionally. But it wasn't about me in that moment, right? So, um, so we got her resources to like immigration attorneys. the other attorney was really good. He was like, we caught this early. We should be able to get him legal representation so he doesn't disappear, right? Like that's my entire time.

I was like, oh, my God, this guy's going to disappear. So that happened on Friday. And I mean, the warrant was like two weeks old. They knew they were going to do this. They knew they were going to pick him up at the courthouse when he showed up for his hearing. And of course, again, and of course, you know, you would think you would think there would be some sort of a, because law enforcement, of course, these guys are not law enforcement, no matter what they say. But it was a judicial warrant signed by a magistrate judge, so there was really nothing I could do. No, there wasn't, but they also, but they have a duty of due due diligence.

And to just sit and ambush some, you know, there used to be, once upon a time, David, in many jurisdictions, a going to and coming from rule about court. Hmm. That you couldn't ambush a subject who was otherwise trying to comply with the law. Right. I guess gone are the days. Yeah. Jesus. And I mean, it's, and this guy, it's, it was, it was a minor misdemeanor charge.

It wasn't anything serious. No, it was, it was, it was tickey, tacky bullshit. And the only, and the only, and the only purpose behind it is to apprehend him. Right. And he has a wife in this country. can they have a two-year-old U.S. citizen son? And of course, nitwit Nero, don't give a shit. No.

And this is one of those moments where I feel compelled to say, yeah, this is evidence of constitutional collapse. Yeah. Which brings us full circle because... I mean, the question is, why should an ice goon who is not law-eastern... enforcement be allowed to swear out an arrest warrant? I don't know. I don't know. They're not real law enforcement.

They're cosplay cops. Right. And I am so sorry you had to, I mean, but. Well, it's not about me. No, no, no. I'm sorry. My heart breaks for him, for his wife and for his child. Yeah.

But it's a hell, it's also a hell of a thing for a young lawyer to be confronted with in the first six months of one's law license. And I give you kudos for not losing your shit right on the spot. Right. That's what we mean by professionalism. I mean, I broke down later. Well, yeah, and that's professionalism too. You wait and break down later.

Yeah. By the way, we got another note from Daryl, based on something that I mentioned a while back, I think perhaps in conversation with you. The Ursula Kela Gwynne short story, the ones that walk away from Amalas. Oh, yeah, I remember you mentioned that. Amalas, of course, being Salem O spelled backwards. Darrell says, I read the story. I reread the story after you mentioned it last. I had forgotten how short it was.

Everyone in the horn community should read it. The they're all alike people would not have enough interest to even go and see what was going on. The pro-fascist side would take the word of their indoctrinators, and the fascists themselves would say, so what? That's the way it is, and I like having my privileges. People with a conscience would maybe not walk away, but would certainly be bedeviled by the knowledge of what they had seen. those of a strong moral fortitude would be the walkers away the ones who walk away so take that as a recommendation from darrell in houston it's not hard to find and it's a brief read but having read it you may return to it you may reconsider it was the author again Ursula K. Le Guin, L-A-G-U-I-N, famous science fiction and fantasy author.

Okay. I wrote that down. She's worth reading because she's a counterpoint to, you know, to so much of masculine science fiction and fantasy. Because she, and she's philosophically not a line. with the, you know, the sort of technocracy one often finds. By the way, speaking of science fiction and fantasy, one of the things during his, during Nittwitt Nero's tripe storm yesterday brought to you by Natalie Harpy, was an AI-generated slop of the new Space Force uniform, which is not the new Space Force uniform, which is not the

new space force uniform. It was just a straight up Nazi-looking uniform. Oh my God. For the space guardians. And it was absolutely disgusting. But the thing is,

it was a direct lift from the uniforms worn in the film version of Robert A. Heinlein's novel, and they played rather fast and loose with it, Starship Troopers. Yeah. And it was directed by a man named Paul Verhoeven, who was a child in Holland when the Nazis

moved in and occupied, you know, the same Holland that would, that was the home of Anne Frank. And so as a child, he remembered seeing these stormed. troopers. And so he envisioned starship troopers as a meditation on fascism. And there was some unfortunate nudity. There was nudity in it. And so a lot of the, a lot of the nerd boys, you know, remember how I said earlier? And I merinoffed you when I said that people like Leon Scum were reading A and Rand when they should. have been masturbating instead.

Yes. Still good for a giggle. I'm so proud. Well, this is one of Paul Verhoven, Neil Patrick Harris of how I met your mother, Dugie Hauser, etc.

Neil Patrick Harris was in it. And Paul Verhoven trying to comment on the fact that he was trying to tell a lesson about fascists said, you know, I thought that having Neil Patrick Harris appearing a scene wearing a full-on Gestapo uniform

might have been a clue. But it wasn't. It wasn't. And geez. And by the way, I was wrong. Santa Monica, thank you, Ralph, serving as the Horn Ad hoc Raymond Trannler Research Department. That was, Bay City was Santa Monica.

but he he's got a couple of novels that are basically set in uh tony communities in you know coastal san diego but yeah thank you ralps thank you uh so you know and the thing is there's so there's so much here uh i had a note from mica by the way about the attempt on amy act and and i don't I do not fault Micah in the least. In regard to Amy Act and Micah said, I'm sure if she'd just thrown a few more queer people under the bus, that man would have wanted to shake her hand and vote for. Oh, darn.

And it's because there's a trend I've been noticing. Amy Act, okay, Ohio has long since passed a law in their maggot legislature saying, well, basically forbidding trans girls from any sort of athletic activity, which of course we all know is a vital part of the educational experience, just ask any coach, any overpaid high school coach. but Ohio had already banned trans girls from sports and they asked Amy acting about it and she said, well, I don't want boys playing in girls sports. Well, the Ohio legislature had already dealt with it. It's sleazy. It's nasty because there are no boys playing in girls sports. Trans girls are girls.

But that having been said, out in Iwoegia, for instance, there's a guy, the Democratic nominee for governor out in Iowa, who has more than a puncher's chance of winning, recently declared, well, I just think boys' sports should be for boys and girls' sports should be for girls. What about the female quarterbacks? Well, exactly. I immediately saw that and went, gee, Rob Sand, how'd divorced a divorce? are you from reality there in Iowa? If you want boys playing boys sports and girls playing girls' sports, then you better do something about all those girls playing high school football. Because remember, just ask any transphobe, the reason for their barking and grudding is because

these poor dainty little girls will get run over by the big strong boys. I mean, that's what Seth Moulton, who had his ass handed to him in Massachusetts a week or so ago by Ed Markey. that's exactly what he said I don't want my daughter's getting run over by some boy or former boy on the playing field well there's there's cis boys you know and I was thinking in terms of Iowa I mean these are big old corn fed Iowa high school boys all Americans

from the heartland and can you imagine can you imagine can you imagine some little maybe 120 pound cis girl trying to run a crossing route with a you know with a with a with a 200 pound mike linebacker barren down on her yeah and the transphobes are worried about a trans girl hurting her you know i want to really do that like i asked rob sand about that so you're okay with the you're okay with the cis girls getting creamed by big old beefy corn-fed 250-pound prospects for the for Iowa and Iowa State and Kansas and Colorado and whatnot.

You're good with that, right? He's just got to juke them, break their knees, metaphorically speaking. Yeah, yeah, sure. It's possible. But this is, you know, this is also tiresome. And it's, and well, you know, this issue, 69% of America agree with this issue. Well, that's 69. That's because 69% of America are absolutely ignorant of the actual issue itself.

And why are we asking that question in the first place? Right. Like, why are pollsters asking that question in the first place? Why is that an issue? It's an issue. because people are, because there is a concerted effort to distract people from the economic hardship that is being foisted upon them by the people in power. Because they know that if people stop focusing on the trans people playing sports,

which is, I mean, really. That's, that's what is, it's only an issue because, because people are actively trying to distract people from the fact that Donald Trump is leading this country into the into the shithole that he called other countries. Yeah, and it's also because bigotry sells, you know, again, it's the preachers in the pulpits, and this entire thing is propelled and the propaganda is catapulted by 501C3 tax-exempt grifts, and here we are. And that's my point, though, right?

Like, the reason it sells is because it, because there is a concerted effort over the span of decades to get people to behave and believe in a manner that they behave, I guess, or believe in or may not. Who knows? Maybe they're just doing it to make a bunch of money. I don't know. I tend to think that there are a bunch of racists up there who want everybody else to be just as racist as they are. Bingo. That's my view of it. But I could be wrong.

I don't think you are. time. Okay. Well, at the same time, they're pushing their propaganda and their bullshit on everybody else because they want people to behave like

them. They want people to start thinking and observing the world and and interacting with the community as exploit as exploiters and takers and oppressors.

And that can only go on for so long before we have people that walk away, right? The people that, you're like, fuck this shit. I'm gone. These people are fucking crazy. They're sociopaths.

They're starting wars with people with the next. Yeah, and I got no time for it. With the next city state over. Yeah. No, fuck it. I'm out of here. Yeah. You don't cut down the damn forest.

Right. I'm going to go go. I'm going to go engage in my corn, bean, squash, and chili's agriculture or somewhere else and do it for me. Right. And in the meantime, the sociopaths are going to, you know, up there sociopathing because they don't know what to do other than sociopath. Sociopaths, going to sociopath. Right.

But I do, as we wrap things up here, and God, I have loved this conversation so much, David. I have. I have. But, you know, we talk about divide and conquer, and the converse of that is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, um, stand together and win. And I continue to be, and I know it must be valid because it's driving like the Republican Party maggot consulting class around the bend, as if they weren't already there,

data centers. Right. that's one of those things that's polling at 70% or more among Democrats and Republicans and independents alike. Nobody wants them. Nobody. And yet Nitwit Nero continues to hammer away on them. And that may, that may, that may be, that may prove damaging.

I mean, we wake Ramalama ding-dong. Just season in Ohio where every fucking cornfield has been turned under, except maybe the Mannonite ones, have been turned under for a goddamn ginormous data center. And it brings me to one last point. And it's something Victoria and I were talking about earlier today. I've got a clip here. I didn't have time to play it. Micah sent it along to me. of Abdul El-Said being very, being entirely unequivocal in declaring, yeah, no data centers, period.

I think it was data centers, but it got me to thinking, and that's what I was talking about, talking to Victoria, about the difference between Democrats and Republicans, and you can say the same thing. No, maybe it was about ice. Yeah, yeah, it was about ice. He said ice must be abolished. And he has been, he has not wavered from that conviction, and he gets my respect for it. Because to be an abolitionist is always to be, to a certain extent, on the outside, looking in. I've been a mountaintop removal abolitionist since the, moment I first heard about it because there's no way to do it right.

And that's the same thing with ICE. But what I remarked to Victoria about was that's the difference between Republicans and Democrats to a certain extent. Republicans simply take the party line, do what the good, do what the dear leader demands. And there's no room for nuance or a challenge to the orthodoxy. But centrist Democrats, on the other hand, they'll say things like, well, I don't know if we need to abolish ICE. But you know what? We can regulate and reform it. Because, you know, we believe in regulations.

We do. Because regulations work in some senses and in some instances. I don't believe that in the case of ICE, CBC, data centers. When a cancer has become malignant, you don't regulate it. No, you don't try to make it. No. Exize it. Yeah, you have to get it out or you die.

Right. But that's the difference, you know. Well, we can reform it. We can make it work. Why would you want to make torture work? right yeah there needs to be some accountability sure there does need to be accountability there needs to be trials too and and and and and and and and and and and prison sentences but we also need to make sure that there aren't any more and if nothing else you know ice was born out of the spasm of post nine

eleven america yeah uh along with the patriot act along with CBP yeah um or rather along with DHS CIA renditions. Yeah, right up there waterboarding and Abu Qaib nothing good came out of that. You can't you can't fix

and let's say they reform it. Well, okay, great. Worse than this now comes along and the ice goons are murdering people in the streets again. It has to be destroyed, root and branch. But this, this precious little sewing circle notion of, you know, we just need to tweak it. We just need to tweak it.

We can think that it can be better. And lo and behold, because most of the time I have National Petroleum Radio on in the car, and it was some talk program where somebody was talking about, well, you know what? People don't like data centers. Maybe we need to put the data centers in space. And I just got, I just mentioned to Victoria this whole idea about, you know, we're going to regulate it. And I went, see?

See? Oh, wow, we can say, yeah, we'll just put it in, we'll just put it in high earth geosynchronous orbit and everything will be groovy. Right. No. AI itself is not the problem. It's the data center or something. I don't know.

And that leads me to probably the final story for our conversation this evening. There were German regional elections this weekend. Can I say one thing about the data center before you go on? Yes, please, please. I read something that I want to share with you on the Facebook. I read something on the Facebook that I want to share with you. And I'm looking for it. Here is I found it.

It says, I still think about the guy who pointed out that the underlying purpose of AI is to allow wealth to access skill while removing the skill, the ability to access wealth. Rarely have I seen AI describe so succinctly. That's perfect. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think I mentioned at one point that, you know, I've got so many episodes of this program out there. And especially in the before time before I sounded like a peacock with laryngitis.

Sound like Kathleen Turner. Oh, thank you. You're welcome. But, you know, back in the day at CNN, they would choke you know you're the only person in the world who can make james earl jones that sound like micky mouse um you know because it was like this um but the the purpose of me saying that is that uh for all i know some godforsaken AI has web crawled every bit of audio i've generated and my voice may be out there and it's just AI

it's not me. And we know this because a lawsuit was filed a while back by, I think it was somebody who worked for NPR or a major broadcast outlet saying, hey, AI stole my goddamn voice. So there's that. But since we're talking about technology and AI and data centers, there should be criminal penalties for that. We should do some sort of criminal penalties for that.

Yeah. Why don't you get a law clerk on that, David? Because I don't have one. Yeah, it's like me and my producer. So after these elections in Germany, you know, you thank the voters and why it, because the Nazis, otherwise known as the alternative to Deutschland, the AFD, they're, you know, hyper right wing and they've got policies that are absolutely fucking Nazi, like, you know, internment camps for refugees.

And the big win was in Saxony-on-Halt where Ulrich Siegmund took the name for you. Yeah. Made a point of thanking none other than Leon Scum

who has worked hammer and tongs to get these Nazis into power in Germany. Do you think he stole the election in Germany, just like you sold the election here? I don't know, anomaly in the matrix. No, probably not, because Saxony-on-Halt is in the former East. And they've still got a generation or two of catching up with what West Germany stayed after the war. But Ulrich Siegman said,

I wish to thank Leon Scam for his clear and highly important. perspective on the political developments of our time, including here in Germany. If we allow, if we lead the state government of Saxony-Anhalt, we would very much welcomes the opportunity for strong and constructive cooperation. Germany would once again be a place worse investing in. So maybe it's because it's late in the day, but your accent there, I was thinking about the Nazis that got melted in Raiders from the Lost Dark? Do you remember that?

Uh-huh. I think it... You ever wonder where you... You ever wonder where that accent comes from? How nice to see you again. How nice to see you again, Had Jones. Ah! Okay.

Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It sounds exactly like that guy from the Raiders of Lost. And of course, I mentioned the other night that I watched 1942s all through the night, a spy thriller that was also, that also involves Humphrey Bogart being comic. But the thing is, the lead Nazi was, of course, Conrad Weight, who was the lead Nazi in Casablanca, too. And he also talks like that.

Oh, yes, Mr. Blaine. I mean, not to take away from the rocket. development of the Nazis reascending into power in eastern Germany. Yeah. Like not to, but my mind went to Raiders the Lost Ark.

Well, and the thing is, Leon Scum wrote back and said, well done. AFD is the only hope for Germany. He's a Nazi. Mm-hmm. Yeah. I mean, not news to us,

but would probably be news to a lot of other people. And, I do have to share another email. Tamara wrote in and said, Amalas. Aw, I just taught that short story recommendation to my students. Got a PDF if anyone needs it. Though she left us some time ago, an illustrated version of one of Le Guin's books just won a Hugo Award on August 30th. Best Graphic Story or Comic, A Wizard of Earth Sea, the Earth Sea series is magnificent.

A graphic novel written by Ursula K. Le Guin adapted and art by Fred Ford. Clarion Books, Walker, UK. And she adds, Tamara does. LeGwen's personal biography is interesting. Her parents knew Ishi, the last of his tribe. And she grew up knowing a number of indigenous Californians. As a 70-something, she befriended a young University of California, San Diego writer by the name of Luis Urea. And they were adorable buddies.

He's a good writer, too. So thank you for that, Tamara. And I'll tell you what, if you don't mind emailing me the PDF, I'll turn it around to David and anybody else who asked for it. Yes, please thank you. That was a game changer, that short story. And, of course, you mentioned Kathleen Turner. Leah in New York wrote obligatory Jessica Rabbit reference, who framed Roger Rabbit. I'm not bad.

I'm just drawn that way. You know, the red, that's it. Oh my God, that's it. That red dress that Jessica Rabbit wears in who framed Roger Rabbit? Yeah. I got to find one. That's one of those movies that as a child

actually scared me with what's his face, his eyes popping out at the end. Well, fucking. Yeah, that's Christopher Lloyd. My God. I saw it as an adult and it scared the shit out of me. I can't do the day.

I cannot watch that movie because as a child, I saw the eyes popping out of his head, and it terrified me. And then the shrieking, high-pitched voice going along with the popping eyes. Yeah. And then another one is the original Willie Walker and the chocolate factory because the fucking Lumpas, I still are not talking about. They're goddamn nightmare fuel. I just as a little child I was like, why am I being traumatized like this?

I'll see, we're running out of time. What are these things? We don't have time for me to run off to bridge to Terribithia or where the red fern grows or God knows old yeller. Old yeller. And then the dog, you're going to kill the dog? Why? And Bambi?

Yes. I mean, I think there was a, and this is more my generation and before than yours, but there is a concerted effort to pre-terrorize us to face the world that was coming at us headlong. But no, that's the same, with the mention, thank you, Lee, with the mention of who framed Roger Rabbit. I know. That red dress, Jessica Rabbit, wears, that's my on the day. You know what, if it was possible for the women of the horn to get together, we should have a, group photo of us all decked out in that red Jessica rabbit dress for the day it finally happens.

I'd do it. Okay, so before you go, Roxanne, I would like to make a suggestion to the community for doing suggestions, reading suggestions. Stephanie Kelton's book, The Deficit Myth is a, a must read for everybody in the community. Okay, you dropped out on her last name. Stephanie. Stephanie Kelton, the deficit myth. She is a PhD economist, and she describes modern monetary theory,

and she describes how money actually works and why deficits aren't a problem that need to be solved. Well, I mean, deficits are only a problem in the United States. I mean, we know this when Democrats are in power. When Democrats are in power, the Republicans, well, they turn into Cato the Elder. It's all, you know, deficits are going to Delinda S. But when Republicans are in power, I mean, are very well remember when Richard B. Dick, big time before he dicks Eugenie said, well, deficits don't really matter.

Her argument is that deficits are actually good for the economy, and that evidence of overspending isn't a budget deficit, it is inflation. And that for most of history, for most of the 20th century, that budget deficits have been too small as evidenced by unemployment. The evidence of budget deficits being too small is unemployment. And she describes how money actually works and we don't actually need taxes or borrowing to fund anything because the United States is a monetary sovereign who prints its own money. Bingo.

And so. I'm so old I can remember when the Republicans were screaming, we're going to be Greece day after tomorrow. And that's it's not. possible because we have we're a monetary sovereign. But there's the rub. Yeah. We are a monetary sovereign.

So what do you do to try to break that? Hello, crypto. Crypto. Yeah. Crypto. Yeah, exactly. And like having it can have crypto convertible. Yeah, no, that's bullshit. That's what they definitely want to do. Um, but yes, it's good. She goes through some simple accounting logic that because all of the dollars come from the currency issuer, which is the United States, and cannot come from anywhere else, unless you're counterfeiting the money, which is illegal, that a budget surplus or a budget deficit is a surplus on the accounting side for the rest of the economy.

That actually makes it. And I'm an economic. novice, but that actually makes a boatload of sense to me. David, I got to get out of here. This has been a magnificent conversation. You, you, as so many do, you always bring your A game, and I do appreciate it. I love talking to you, and I'm glad. I knew I was, I knew I was, slow down, David.

I knew I wanted to call him today because I knew I wasn't going to have the opportunity coming up because today is my day off. and I'm typically working at this time when you are on the air. Well, thank you so much. We all love you. We all love you dearly, and people really do get a lot out of our conversations. So thank you ever so kindly. All right.

I love you, bunches. I love you to pieces, David. You take care. Okay. Bye. And bye. And so that's the program. Ralph's had a challenge on the table.

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