Head-ON With Robyn Roxanne Kincaid - Wednesday Weirdness, Head-ON With Roxanne Kincaid, 4 February 2026

Episode Date: February 5, 2026

It's the 22nd anniversary of The H.O.R.N.! And we spend it how? Awash in all the filth and slime of Donald Trump and his bestie, Jeffrey Epstein.  

The password is Angel. It's showtime. Here we go, live from behind the corn phone curtain. It's head-on with Roxanne Kincaid. Three hours of cussin and discussin with America's only liberal transvilly elitist right here, right now, on the head-on radio network. Brought to you in part by Cole River Mountain Watch,

who invites you to be part of the uprising against mountaintop removal. CRMW.net. And now, from high in the hills west by God, Virginia, here she is, Roxanne Kincaid. Well, howdy. And here we go, off and running on this fourth day of February, 2006. This is the horn. Headon. Dot live is where you'll find us on the interweb tubes. That's where you go. If you'd like to be part of the very wacky, zany, real-time madcap multimedia extravaganza. That is the horn chat room in the three hours in which this program is live usually Monday through Friday 5 to 8 p.m. Eastern standard time, 2 to 5 p.m. Pacific Standard Time, all time zones in between and the Great Globe route and whatever time it is when you're listening to the podcast. And if in fact you are a member of the podcasting contingent of the Horn Family Community Congregation, well, thank you for joining us in conversation that way. And if you could take a moment to leave us a review or remark, a comment on whatever podcasting

form you download from it would be awfully helpful and thanks to all of those of you who do so again thank you if you are however listening live well awfully glad to be in your good company this frozen afternoon at least here in the hills and hollers and if you decide to pop to if you've never been in you decide to pop by the aforementioned merry wacky zany well you'll be greeted by the early arrivers, a late arrival. That's Chi Wu and Ralphs and Squeaky, Hey Gang, and all capably moderated by Horn Chief Agronomist, chief mathematician, Bud Tremmer Emeritus,

and Zimmergist extraordinaire. Roger in Oregon, I'm in there too. Hi. I'm Roxanne. And there may be some more pregnant than usual pauses along the way this evening because, well, I played hooky yesterday. No, I didn't play hooky. I would far rather have been on the air than what I was doing,

which was being miserable because of this crappy weather and all the ice and not being able to get out and not being able to get. My pharmacy is 20 miles away, so it's a 40-mile round trip. And I ran out of my particular proton pump inhibitor, my stomach nutham. is the generic name is pentoprasol. It's called Protonics in its brand name form. And it happens to be the one that I can tolerate

because I have God's own Gerd. And I ran out of it a week ago, and it's like, I need to get over to Somersville. I need to get over to Somersville. I need to get over to Somersville. But I was never able to get over to Somersville. And consequently, I learned that, it takes about five days without it before it's like I never took it at all.

And so by yesterday I was absolutely burning. Burning just, oh God, it felt like there was a fist right below my solar plexus. And the burning was bad, but you don't want to know all the details. I'm trying not to ruin dinner in the Eastern Standard Time Zone. that after all is uh well that's davin the blind schick at which he reminded me uh in no uncertain terms on monday um but suffice to say i was miserable as soon as i got out of the pharmacy i took one of the pills and then i took my regularly scheduled one this morning and hopefully in a couple of days time i'll be back to normal okay

whatever normal is. Yes, yes, I know. It's a city in Illinois. Oh, yeah. I noticed these things.

But I should be back to, because, well, I'm fine with it. Without it? No. And I'm still, like I said,

still not all the way back, but getting there and feeling better. And, you know, And the last day or so, I hate roll aides. God, I do. But that's been my snack of choice over the course of about the last 48 hours.

But it is as prayer meeting Wednesday on the horn. Every program here at the horn begins with gratitude. And this program is no different. So thanks go out to our fourth and third of the month. subscribers. Thank you so much. Thank you, Kim and Malin in New Jersey. Thank you, Stephen. Thank you, Paul. And thanks as well to Sylvie and Anne. Thank you, Routts. Again, thank you all for helping to keep the program on the air and getting us down to where we've only got a $600 fundraising goal. That's today and Monday because

your humble ostus does not include days when she is unwell and not behind the microphone. Yeah, well, thanks for all the sympathy, Camel Cardinal, you brother Deacon, you. This is supposed to be a family show. Stop telling us how your loins were burning up, Roxanne. This had nothing to do with my loins.

You can just leave my loins out of all this. no it was way far north of that and something my parents used to describe and I think maybe I inherited it from them I don't know I could have they could have

bequeathed me a legacy of millions of dollars but instead they bequeathed me a legacy of gastroesophageal reflux disorder and gee thanks mom thanks dad love you dearly but they used to

describe it as being green. Oh, those hillbilly turns of speech. And, of course, no sooner than I get the program started, then the propane bottle burns out. Yeah, the noises you're hearing now are the changing of a real live, no kidding, honest to goodness, propane bottle. And it's not as bad as it has been.

in terms of the cold. This is almost manageable. So I'm going to keep on going to the settlement for provisions and purchasing propane. And if we can just... I was looking at the calendar earlier. My goodness gracious. We're just barely a month away from the return of daylight savings time. And after that, Thomas...

he's seen Patrick's Day and after that it comes the first day of spring and well it gives me a little hope it would give me more hope if this damn bottle would go ahead and

thread onto the regulator okay come on you can do it you're there yeah good job good job I am a professional do not try to change propane bottles and broadcast at the same time. All righty then. Let there be heat.

Thank you, Lee. Lee in New York says, sorry you was sick. I always prefer you behind the mic instead of under the weather. As is so often the case, the first Ramulama Ding-Dong goes to Lee. Wow, sneezing too? Oh, this is going to be a great, great program.

Silence is not golden in the case of a radio program, but you don't want to hear the sneezing either. and helping us get knocked down the fundraising deficit. It would guess would get us down to $5.50. Ralph sends along this from NBC News. After Republicans pushed Clintons to testify on Epstein, Democrats warned they'll haul in Trump. And Representative Maxwell Frost of Florida said,

we'll follow it. Donald Trump. All of his kids. Everybody. So, more power to them. Ted Lou of California said, we're absolutely going to have Donald Trump testify under oath. And it's a big deal, Steny Hoyer, Maryland said. And it'll be interesting to see what former President Trump thinks of that premise. Thinks? He can't think, Stenny. He's a drug-addled speed freak, crankhead.

with maybe a little tertiary syphilate, neurocophilus thrown in for good measure. Representative Mark Pocan of Wisconsin said, this will make Donald Trump happy in the short term, but in the long term, a year from now, we have subpoena power. Counting a few eggs before they're hatched, I'm afraid. But nonetheless, devoutly to be wished, White House spokes bitch Abigail Jackson on Tuesday said These Democrats suffering from severe cases of Trump derangement syndrome

should focus on implementing good policies like President Trump is not falling for blue-in-on conspiracy theories. These anics are why congressional Democrats have record-will approval ratings. Oh, shit, bitch go brush your hair. Jared Moskowitz, however, is keeping track of things and has a list of things he wants to talk to nitwit Nero about. Folks here are going to run with it everywhere. It'll be crypto.

It'll be their business. It'll be all the investments in the Middle East. It'll be the cuttery plane. It's going to be the latest thing with the UAE. It's going to be all of it, all of it. They're giving a license to these new chairman in January, and that'll be Comer's legacy. So when Junior and Eric and their children,

not because I want this to happen, because I don't. I don't want it to happen. but when they're all here, they can thank James Colmer for that. Oh, Comer Pyle. Pile! Yeah. And meanwhile, we know that it was... That the further Epstein disclosures are really getting under Canckel's Caligula's skin,

because at one point he said, I think the American people just need to move on and find something else. Oh, shut up and start. snored another rail of Adderall, you goddamn freak. Yeah, but here we are. So thanks for the challenge, Ralphs. Hopefully somebody will jump in on it, and we will be at $5.50. And Stephen New York noting, who soon will not be Stephen, New York.

We're rooting for Stephen Columbus. Really, really, really. Once again, the big difference between us and them. If Bill Clinton did what Trump did, we want Clinton hanged from the highest yardarm. It is yardarm, not gendarme, a gendarme, of course, is a cop in friend. From the highest yardarm, we don't belong to a cult. No, we don't. We are merely citizens in a republic that if the ship is not righted,

will descend into the same sort of imperial muck. that other republics have in the past yeah hey listen I'm sure they're reading your email too Jeremy

watch what you say kind of surprised that you being a SLW in good old West Virginia that you purchasing propane tanks statewide and beyond hasn't got you on a trans terrorist list yet what's going to be fun is when I try to throw away

the one two three four five six Yeah, something like 88 bottles, empty bottles of propane. This has been the most brutally expensive winter I remember in a long time, but we're just trying to get through it. Lee and New York pointing out, groundhogs are not good with calendars. The midpoint of winter 2026 is Tuesday, February 3rd. Midpoint of winter signifies the exact halfway point between winter solstice and spring equinox.

The date aligns with Groundhog Day in some years, but not always. How can they predict the future when they arrive on the wrong day? Well, it's kind of like, well, Granny Clampett requires. She didn't rely on no damn groundhog. She relied on a weather cricket. Mm-hmm. It's twoo. It's twoo. And I want to check it.

Again, I'm sorry about yesterday. I hated missing. And I hate not being here on any. any given broadcast day these days because of, because, well, there are no slow news days anymore. And from Sylvie and the Committee for Surrealism in Everyday Life, sadly, I cannot be here for today's show until possibly later. I'm hoping you've seen the report that the founder of QAnon was friends with Jeffrey Epstein.

Evidently, J.E. May have given this guy the idea for all the drops from Q. about the pedophile ring, torture of children. Oh, Jeffrey Epstein. I thought there was something named J.E. May. No, let's try this again, Roxanne, with greater reading skills. Evidently, Jeffrey Epstein may have given this guy the idea for all the drops from QAnon about the pedophile ring, torture of children, etc. But focusing on Democrats instead of Republicans, hide in plain sight. For years now, we've been laughing at the supposed wild allegations and crazy tales.

We need to take a second look. I haven't been laughing. I like to think I recognized a long time ago that everything happening in terms of the cucumbers, the cue balls, were all, you know, comet ping pong pizza, adrenachrome. For how many years have we said everything is either projection or confession? and from Frank I've apparently heard my conversation with Aurora a couple of nights ago I heard you recently describe your frustration in expressing yourself

concerning our current political upheaval I'm frustrated as well Frank says furthermore it appears that many folks are experiencing difficulties with our fears anger and hopelessness I encounter people every day who are troubled and fearful it's awful However, I believe, there's that word again, that our forefathers and four mothers, if that's a word, is now.

Four parents. How about that? Four parents. Have had fears, doubts, and feelings of hopelessness. These current times are enough to try men's souls and women's two. But our predecessors summoned the strength needed to confront their terrifying fears and resolve with resolve and determination. I like to think we're constantly confronted with a binary response to situations we face, namely, we respond with either discouragement or determination.

So I submit that we don't have a problem or do we have a decision to make. It may not be comforting to confront the mess all of us face, but we have teachers, leaders, and philosophers who have made their decision to take the moment to live their decision to reject discouragement and embody determination. Your thoughts, I agree

wholeheartedly. You can't let the bastards get you down. Illogidomy non-carbundum, something like that. Yeah. you, I don't, you take a minute, you take a deep breath and you move on. And forever, the determination of those who resist fascism in Minnesota stand, well, the first American revolution, it got going full tilt in Massachusetts with people who were fed up and wouldn't take it anymore.

See the Boston Massacre. Crispus Atucks? Anyone? Yeah? Well, here in 2026, it is not a stretch to say that we add the names of René Nicole Good and Alex Pretty alongside him, murdered by an occupying force. And I also had a note, and I hope you're out there, Matt, because I didn't sit down and write a response because I felt like I felt like it needed to be shared on air and this is that

pardon the microphone Matt writes and this was yesterday so hi Roxanne I've been a little work-life unbalanced as of late so the most I've been able to hear the show or snippets here and there as I've

run from there to here. Sorry, I know that sounds a little rattled, but I'm kind of rattled right now. I'm at that age, 61. Youngster. I can see the metaphoric finish line

up ahead in the distance. I saw a shimmering light. Sorry, my brain skipped. My head grew hazy and my eyes grew deep. Nope, nope, nope, wrong, wrong. I can see retirement up ahead. Can I make it? The mind says yes, but the hip says, not without a new one of me, you aren't you're not.

Do I have enough saved? I think so. What's enough? Anyway, will money still be a thing in five years, or are they going to figure out a way to take all that and convert us all to crypto dollars? Oh, great. Now you're talking crazy.

But am I? I mean, the government is killing people in the streets, and I go to work, run a grab-and-go meal place literally steps across the campus of UC Berkeley. I'm surrounded all day by young people with hope, optimism. I mean, for fuck's sake, they go to UC Berkeley. I mean, talk about a leg up. But, I mean, growing up in a household with alcoholism, drug addiction,

and mental illness does require its own sort of survival skills that they... Well, they just don't teach it, Berkeley. Anyway, Matt continues. Is it me? or does it seem like no one really knows what to do, you know, about the fascist takeover of our government? I mean, fuck. Why plan anything at all? Why not just say fuck it? Let's cash in the chips and get the fuck out while the getting's good. I have worked my ass off since I was 16.

Managed to get a high school diploma and then destroyed my life with drugs. Got help, turned it around, lived through the AIDS pandemic, was successful in corporate America until I switched my priority from climbing the fucking ladder to getting off the ladder and taking the goddamn escalator. Anybody else tired? And that's not a rhetorical question. Feel free to answer Matt. Just fucking tired of America. I mean, don't get me wrong. I love this country.

God knows I'm tied to the San Francisco barrier like I was birthed from the United States. the land itself. God, I love this place and the life I built here. But what the fuck is going on? Do I want to spend the next 20 years if I'm lucky living in a society where you could be shot anywhere at any time for any reason or no reason? And that was before the government got in the business of wholesale slaughter? I mean, fuck! I don't know what I mean. I'm just tired. And my Instagram feed is full of houses in Tuscany.

rolling hills beautiful villas i need a nap signed matt and i think that just about everybody who just heard your words from my mouth matt is to one degree or another going yep yep that's exactly what it feels like i mean what you said about feeling like you were practically birthed from the land in the bay area yeah um that's kind of how it feels in appalachian too. There's a strong tie. And it's hard to watch my state, which has never been the best at self-government, but has gotten decidedly worse

at it. It's hard to watch us descend into fascism, having been the Mother Church in many ways of the resistance of the oppressed. Mother Jones and Maitwan and Blair Mountain The New River Wars, the Southern Coldfield Wars, all occasioned by people who simply wanted to be treated as human beings, and their great-grandchildren now and great-great-grandchildren now

have decided that they like the taste of boot and just can't get enough of licking them. Our brain-drained West Virginia legislature has decided to offer up a bill that will make it a crime to be within 30 feet of a cop doing something. I know it may sound that my life is quite prosaic here. I do need a vacation rather desperately. but it just so happened that before airtime, and part of the reason I was late to air, got a last-minute call.

My exceptional young granddaughter, a grown woman now needed help getting to work. And so I jumped in the car and went across the river and down to the settlements, not for provisions, but to go and get my granddaughter and take her to work. And it was delightful. I loved getting to see her, and we chatted pleasantly. She's a sparkling young woman.

But here's the thing. As I left the house and I turned right down what we call the short cut through the dip, there were two county rollers, lights had blinking, and they were across the street from a house, and I don't know what in the hell was going on, but the cop waved me on. Well, I was, I very slowly and carefully drove past. You never know, the roads are slick. These are narrow roads anyway. Anything that has pavement in this area in this state is called Good Road or Hard Road. Yeah, you take the hard road until you get to the gravel road and go,

and you follow it as long until you get to the bad road. And you see, that's how it is. But I wondered. I wondered what would happen. Because under this goddamn dumbass bill that the brain-drained maggot legislature has offered up here in West Virginia, that's a crime. Go figure. And, of course, laws like this can always be applied selectively.

It's intensely worrisome. Worryome indeed. But there is a little bit of good news today. Our most puissant dread sovereign Supreme Catholic Majesties agreed today that California gets to go ahead and get rid of all of its maggots in the Congress because they had already let Texas go ahead and get rid of all of its Democrats in the Congress. Even though the Trump administration said,

Well, yeah, we wanted to do the Texas pipe. And so apparently democracy is just going to devolve into sheer chaos. if in fact you think that we're going to be able to vote in the primary or in the general. Nitwit Niro now telling the nation and particularly his maggots that he wants the federal government to take over elections in 15 or 25 states, states that will not vote for him because they are states that still love freedom, democracy, a functioning republic. People are now expecting that ice will show up at the polls in blue states.

And when Frank talks about deciding to be determined, well, it's going to require a lot of that come primary and then come November. Because for people who are within the zone of... deportation and that zone is determined not by legal status or citizenship status but by skin color well historically when you see gun-toting goons outside the polling places it really it really takes a lot of the starch out of wanting to be a participant in democracy so this is going to be one of those well starch in your spine kind of moments people are going to have to be determined to cast their votes. And all we can do is say we shall see what we shall see. And then of course from the gang

whose motto is democracy dies in darkness, a great big whopping dose of darkness. The Washington Post today under Jeff Bezos, that creep, shuddering bureaus around the world and literally laying off a reporter in the middle of the freezing cold of Kiev as she wrote her reports out in a freezing car

with no electricity using a battery-powered headlamp and a pencil because it's so goddamn cold that the ice in her pen freezes. Yeah, Jeff Bezos said, fuck that. I mean, this was not surgical

precision. This was a meatax job. So the Washington Post is no longer a paper of any repute. You can just forget about it, paywall or no paywall. There's no there there. Oh, and one other thing, I mentioned this a couple of nights ago. I think I mentioned as far back as Friday. Kind of snuck up on me, but yeah, 22 years ago at exactly this very time, The horn went live for the first time there ever in America's fifth smallest radio market.

And we turned radio on its ear there in Beckley. The very first broadcast of the horn, February the 4th, 2004. Blasting out on a flickering candle flame signal of some maybe. 50 watts because it was a daytime, a daytime nighttime, you know, we had to lower power at night because otherwise the

signal would override some station in Florida or Michigan, whatever. There were a lot of good people there, people I remember very fondly. And some that I remember not fondly

at all. Don't even know if they're still among the quick. But, yeah, 22 years ago at this very moment. I don't think there's a recording of that available anymore. But back then, let's see, I think Brian Reznor did the intro, and just for the fun of it, we won't play the whole song, but just to, this was the original intro music. I think we cut this part out Here's where it kicked in No, not yet

It's been a while Here it is No, still not there No Yeah I haven't heard that in a long time But How cool

It was beyond my wildest imaginings On that evening Oh I was thrilled to be back in radio I'd been covering for Dr. Bill O'Brien In the previous year And it was Bossman White and his beloved wife Gina.

Gina heard me the first time and called Wayne and said, You gotta hear! And Wayne tuned in and went, holy shit! We got a fighter. We got a fire breather. And made arrangements for this program to have its first home. For about a year and a half. Until I really bared my fangs and went after Massey.

energy. Then they bought me off the air. But Wayne wasn't done. And the reason he and Gina get a credit at the end of every program is because Gina meanwhile had fallen ill

and by October of 2005 had passed away. And Wayne provided all the necessary equipment including the very microphone into which I'm speaking now. You've got to give the folks

at Electra Voice some credit because this RE20 has been in service since October of 2005 with never a problem. But, yeah, he funded the beginning of the horn

as a living memorial to Gina, who was an absolute wonderful, wonderful, progressive, dedicated human being, and I loved her dearly, and when she passed it was awful. And it broke Wayne's heart, and when he finally passed away a couple of years ago, he told me before it happened. I don't know if she's out there, but I'm going to go find her if I can. It's a hell of a history this little program has, and while Wayne and Gina got it started,

y'all are the ones who keep it going and that just well like I said 22 years ago right now I had no idea that this all of this was in the future

Ralph's an answer to your question that is a song by Al Stewart and Shot in the Dark called Running Man and I just love that I love that piano opening but let's let's run over to the

Discord line where David in Oregon is waiting thank you for being so patient David oh no problem I'm so glad you told that story

about Wayne and Gina that was so heartwarming that's like relationship I don't think I don't think the Hannity job has a story like that David or fat dead rush Limbaugh

or nutmeg Kelly or or uh frau ingram or any of that right-wing scum this program was born out of passion and determination thanks for thanks for that thanks for receiving it so kindly it was I was it was it melted my heart um so I uh so I I just got home from work a little bit ago. So you probably already addressed this, but I wanted to ask you about, did you get your medication situation? Yes, I did. I did. Yeah. And it wasn't about not being able to get it or being out of style. It was just simply, I could not go across the frozen icy roads. Oh. Between here and my pharmacy 20 miles away. This is West Virginia, so nothing is close to something else. Okay. Well, I saw your Facebook message yesterday, and I just wanted to

Oh, I was miserable. I'm not going to kid. I had not felt anything. I guess I, maybe David, I thought, and people do this with other medications, too. Oh, I feel so good, maybe I can get along without it now, as is the case with so many people and so many medications. No, you can't. So, among other things, hey, Bobby Kennedy Jr., you fuck wit. No, people need their meds, and we can't just get better, but. going to a wellness camp upstate where we can frolic and play in the fields all day long whenever we want.

So he literally wants to put people to pasture. Yes. That's what I just heard. Yes. Goodness, me. He wants to have camps where people can, because he has a particular hard on, maybe, you know, all that testosterone juicing is not good for you in the long run. But he has a, he has a maybe hard on.

for anybody who takes any kind of psychiatric medication. And it's like, Hugh, motherfucker, hmm. Wow. You know, this stuff wouldn't be on the market if it didn't work. Right. And where things like, you know, psychiatric meds are concerned, it's not an exact science, and sometimes you have to work to figure out what works best.

Right. One SSRI does not work as well for one person as another SSRI might. or maybe it takes an SSRI and an antipsychotic or something like that but people's lives become markedly better more fulfilling more livable but you know whalehead dead bear brainworm lamprey thinks that it all be better if everybody just ate nothing but fermented food and never washed their iron skillet stupid bastard

my concern my concern with um with those medications is the profit motive behind it i'm concerned that they're being i'm concerned that they're being prescribed for people that don't need them just purely for profit in the same way that um oxytocin was oxycontin you mean yeah okay yeah oxytocin is something different oxy cotton yes you give me you give me oxytocin strange things are going to begin to happen sorry about that i'm i'm not a drug expert but i i have been studying the political economy a little bit and like the predatory nature of capitalism and so that's my concern well and it's a legitimate concern david because we know that the medication industry the pharmaceutical industry is not above doing that sort of thing.

But the funny thing is, I don't, I'm not familiar with it happening so much where psych meds are concerned, where it is, well, let's put it this way. I think it was, was it Dave number 11 there in Humboldt, who once described blowing out and destroying his knee because he was on gabapentin for, for another matter, and it's a pain medication. It works on nerve pain and whatnot. But it also will make you stumble around like a drunk, and if it was Dave number, if it wasn't Dave Number 11,

Dave Number 11, I apologize. But I think it was Dave number 11 who said that, yes, that drug he began to refer to as morontin, not neurontin, which was its trade name, or it's, you know, brand name, but Morontan, M-O-R-O-N-T-I-N. Well, I feel like a Morontin for getting oxytocin and oxytocin. No, no, you're fine, but... I'm chuckling at myself.

I'm very proud of you, yes. But the thing is, we know that, I mean, there was a huge scandal in the late 90s, early aughts where the drug manufacturer for Neurontin got caught. telling doctors to, you know, what, they stubbed their toe, give them some, give them some nirotin. And they would put on these seminars for doctors, and they would call the doctors esteemed 32nd degree noble guest speakers, and the seminars were always in the Cayman Islands or Bermuda or the Virgin Islands. It was always somewhere really nice, and the doctors never had to get anywhere near a meeting room, and instead they just sat out and played golf and drank drinks from hollowed-out coconut shells with umbrellas in them.

And so it was deliberately over-prescribed, and of course the Sackler family is very much the same. But I've never seen, I've never seen, I'm not familiar with SSRI as being over-prescribed because there's no, there's not a lot of upside to it. I'm not either familiar with stories about that, that particular family of drugs being overprescribed. My concern is just generally with the profit motive built into the American healthcare system in general and in drug. Oh, I think that's entirely fair. So I don't question the science behind him.

But I... You question the capitalism. I question the capitalism. So, you know. And, yeah, that's... But that's just me. And, you know... Sure, sure.

And it's fair. Ralph's just pointed out, I think they use gabapentin to calm down pets, and yes, they do. I have twice in my life been offered gabapentin post-surgically for nerve pain, because nerve pain is hell. And the first instance, I've told this story before, I will be forever in waves' debt. He was scary Jerry back then. but it was

December 2021 and I was experiencing rather significant nerve pain after surgery and I mentioned on air that the doctor had said well let's give you some gabapentin and I'd already seen Gabapentin turn my father into a shuffling idiot and so I said no but scary Jerry called up and this was this was back when

I was broadcasting live from Cleopatra's Shays Long on the barge down the Nile. I remember that. And Scary Jerry called in one evening and said, hey, just get yourself some Delta 8 CBD gummies and you'll be fine. And the short part of the story is he was absolutely correct. It worked like gangbusters. The longer part of the story was that I had to figure out how to dose myself because I don't smoke a bunch of weed. And whatever I used to be able to consume, I am an entire, total, complete, absolute lightweight now. And so I ran off, and behold, it was Birmingham, Alabama, who knew?

And there was a CBD store in five points, five points south, which is this cool, hip, little neighborhood. in Birmingham. And I went in and got a box of them, and the first, and I didn't have to be on air that evening. And so, I mean, I still chuckle about this, and so does it that. And I don't know if waves hearing this, but I bet you he remembers how it all went about. But at that point in time, we were regaling ourselves with the Great, the Hulu, comedy drama about Catherine the Great, El Fanning, absolutely breathtakingly beautiful and just wacky as shit retelling of the rise of Catherine the Great of Russia. And I still wasn't able to go out and do a whole bunch of driving around or sit down at restaurants.

So we found this one Chinese restaurant that was, God, it was so good. I'd give anything to have their Sichuan beef hot pot again. and it was just fork tender and perfect and flavorful, and it numbed your lips with the little seschuan peppercorns. I'm sorry, I'm getting ahead of myself. But I just took the lid off, grabbed one of the little gummies, popped it in my mouth, and just kind of let it sit there and dissolve, and it was a whole gummy. And then the DoorDash arrived, and Annette had her Chinese dish, and I had mine,

and I think we had some appetizers, and had a tub, of Bluebell homemade vanilla ice cream in the freezer. I ate my dinner. And that ate as much as she wanted of hers. Then I ate hers. And then we proceeded to begin watching The Great. And I walked into the kitchen, pulled that tub of Bluebell Homemade Vanilla out. And just every now and then I'd go toddling back into the kitchen and scrape out another spoonful of that shit.

And he was like, God, damn. Damn, this tastes good. Until finally I said, and I was literally standing in the middle of the living room, sitting on the couch and I said, I think I'm fucked up. And at that point, said, you know, we'd watch the grate and everything. I'm going to go to bed now. Anna did. And she was like, night night, sleep tight.

and I got under the covers and gotten a little iPad out so I could read my Kindle and put on some relaxing music and for that sort of thing I like Brian Eno's ambient ambient music albums and I turned the light out and all of a sudden I could hear the little

hamster on the treadmill at the center of the universe and these intrusive thoughts these intrusive thoughts came wandering by like what if I forget how to breathe it was like getting high for the first time all over again and so back on come the lights

and I don't think I need to eat a whole gummy anymore and the thing is I've heard that story before but it's still but it was just CB it was just Delta 8 CBD. There was no delta 9 in it. It was did, but oh my God.

Oh. And thereafter, I learned to quarter those gummies and still got really high. And eventually I was down to popping one little tiny scrap of an eighth of a gummy in my mouth. And it did work as as Wave said it would. There was no

more nerve pain. There was no more lightning bolts running through. Oh, what were you talking about earlier? Ace up. loins, yeah, there were no more lightning bolts. But, whew! Oh, that was hot. I mean, if you have to focus all of your attention on remembering to breathe, I'm assuming that you're not feeling any bait in that moment. None whatsoever, and I just did not trust my autonomic nervous system, David.

I did not. Okay. Sorry, that is from the greatest hits album, but, you know, it's an anniversary night. No, I, that's hilarious. I had forgotten about that, so I'm glad you told it again. Oh, that's funny. And so, no, no, no. So, again, last year, a few weeks after surgery, had a moment, and my surgeon there,

I said, oh, that's nerve pain. I said, oh, that's great. Because I thought, like, literally, I thought I had a screw loose or something. And she said, no, that's just, nerve pain. Let me give you some gabapentin and I said, no, I'll just get some Delta 8 CBD gummies and I'll be fine. Trust me. I've been down this road before, Doc. That's fantastic. Oh, you know, well, if anybody's getting a giggle out of this, I'm very, very glad because Lord knows we need it. Yeah. So like I said, I just got home from work, so I just

tuned in. I didn't, I didn't hear what you were, what you were discussing the first 45 minutes or so. I came in right about the time you were talking about the Supreme Court and their decision to let the new maps in California stand. And I was thinking to myself, how long it's going to it's going to take to unravel what the Supreme Court has done since at least 2010 with Citizens United. And maybe probably before that, once we get power again. And we will get power again. And I was thinking to myself that even if the regime cancels the elections or find some way to do that. Tyrannies have

tyrannies have historically not been able to function very well and they start attacking each other within the upper echelons of the regime. And so they're going to topple eventually. You could say that they're self-correcting. Okay, yeah, we can put it like that. Absolutely.

But the thing is, you say you don't know how long it's going to take to cure the evils of this Supreme Court. Right. I think I've got an answer. You're not going to like it. It's going to take generations. I don't know. What's the time interval between Plessy and Brown? It was about 50 years.

It was about five decades, if I recall correctly. Yeah, there you go. Yeah. Um, you know, between Lochner and, um, well, any kind of meaningful support for workers' rights, that's at least 30. Mm, mm-hmm. Um, I don't know when Lochner fell, but, I mean, I, it's hard to caution patients in these times. but I think we need to keep, I think we need to keep reminding ourselves when we're in the moment,

when we're in our anger, when we're in our fear, when we're in our passion for change, that it does not go well for tyrannies historically, and eventually they topple. It's not going to be, it's going to be painful for us in the short term, but in the long term, I think...

Well, and in the long term... I think it'll be okay. we can correct it, there has to be an aspect of never again that really means never again just not never again to one group of people. Exactly. And it's interesting. I'm so glad that you called in and mentioned the Supreme Court because I saw something and you know, my brain works funny, David, and I think we've already proven that for

about the last 22 years. but I read about how there's mention of pubes on the Coke can Fappy Thomas in the Epstein files that does not surprise me and while they poo-poo it and say well of course this is ridiculous the fact of the matter is there may be enough taint there and

thank God thank God Thank God. Thank God we're not using taint in the same sense that we were at the end of the program on Monday. Jesus, I'm still not a ladybugs. But there's enough taint there. Look, nitwit Nero wants another Supreme Court justice. And there may be enough taint with the Epstein exposure. You're just going to keep saying it, aren't you? Yes, I am.

I'm a shameless little broadcast bitch. But there may be enough there for Niro's people to lean on FAPI and say, Well, you know, it's time for you to go. I'm trying to find exactly, yeah, it was an email to the U.S. Attorney's Office for the Southern District of New York, addressed to two federal judges, and it came from someone who claimed to be. one of Epstein's victims. It gets a little complicated, but please bear with me. The victim in the message said that a well-known mobster and hitman who had confessed to at least 20 murders,

a guy named John Martorano had raped her, and he'd already entered a plea deal in 1999 that gave him a cushy little 12-year prison sentence. Everybody expected him to get a lot more time. Twelve years for 20 murders? Really? Well, where FAPI comes in

is that this anonymous victim says that Mardarano told her that he was in close contact with FAPI. And at one point, she said he took, Marderano did,

nude photographs of her and said, hey, let's take a picture for Clarence Thomas. And then the accuser went on and said that Clarence Thomas himself sexually assaulted her when she was a child. That's, that, that, that is, that, that, that is gross and not surprising to me. Again, we, we have to deal with our own confirmation biases, David. Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm. But can you see, you know, if you go back to the tawdry, repulsive days of the lynching of Anita Hill, not Clarence Thomas. It was not a high-tech lynching of Clarence Thomas. It was a lynching of Anita Hill. And you recall the testimony of just how filthy, disgusting, disgusting, sliddle. easy and misogynistic he is. I mean, remember, Long Dong Silver was a part of this too, right? Not just the pubs on the Coke can.

I personally was not politically aware at the time of the Anita Hill. I'd be surprised if you'd even been born yet, but... I was born. I was, I think, like eight, eight years old. He was confirmed in 91, right? So I was like eight. Yeah, thereabouts, yeah. Yeah. Well, it becomes believable. And the thing is, in August of last year,

Federal prosecutor, a guy named Robert Sobelman, actually took the allegation and forwarded it to Kristen Warden, who previously was in the DOJ's office of the Inspector General. And in the message, he said, I'm passing this along as part of standard procedure in the Epstein case. And Warden wrote back and said, is this the same person connected to earlier complaints involving guardianship issues that she, Warden, had been working on? Sobleman said, yeah, that's the same one. And then Bucket us.

Can I ask some clarifying questions? Do please. the original emails that were the email from the the victim was sent to you said two judges yeah two federal yeah apparently two federal judges and when did that happen um like what year it is not clear okay and then i wanted to ask two if you had any information about the guy that got sentenced to the 12-year stint. Yeah. Was that in federal prison?

They do not make it clear, but the fact that, I mean, I'm probably making a mistake doing it, but I'm assuming since there are so many references to DOJ offices, that, you know, maybe. But you've kind of, you've kind of made me want to look up John Martyrano. The reason I ask is because I'm wondering when he got sentenced, and I'm wondering, wasn't Rudy Giuliani, didn't Rudy Giuliani at one point work in? Yes. Southern District of New York.

He was the U.S. attorney. So I'm wondering, he was the U.S. attorney. Okay. I'm wondering, did Rudy Giuliani have anything to do with that original plea deal? And I have nothing but speculation at this point, which is kind of why I was asking the clarifying questions, to see if there is a link between Rudy Giuliani, this plea deal and the victim. And, of course, if we can establish that, then we can establish a link to Donald Trump. Okay, Martyrano was arrested in Boca Raton, Florida in January 1995,

charged along with another guy and two Boston Mathiosi in a vast racketeering indictment. But he pled out in 1999 and became a witness against the notorious Whitey Bulger. interesting to note that that prosecution still lives in the lore of the greater Boston area because the FBI became entirely corrupted by Whitey Bulger. Okay, and we know, too, that Rudy Giuliani said he had some sort of FBI sources during the 2016 election. Yes, he did. And I don't know when Rudy Giuliani said.

I don't know when Rudy Giuliani was the prosecutor there, but if he maintained his connections in the FBI. Well, he was the U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York from 1983 to 1989. Okay, so that was 10 years prior. Okay. But he also led 1980s-era federal prosecutions of mafia bosses, and that was his claim to fame. So I'm wondering if I, again, this is wild speculation on my part because I have nothing to back this up. But I'm wondering, I'm wondering if Rudy Giuliani had some dirty dealings back then when he was a federal prosecutor.

I think Giuliani's been dirty from jump. So that would lend credibility. If we can establish some sort, if we can establish that fact, that would lend credibility to the victim statement. Yes. And just to finish my little thesis here, David, whether there's any fire at all, there may be enough smoke in this for Canckel's Caligula's people to say, hey, you know, you haven't been feeling great, Fappy. Why don't you just retire? like yesterday so daddy can appoint your replacement

who can secure your legacy on the court for a generation to come and then well you know who they've been who they were said to be grooming for the next Supreme Court spot right it was when I when you were talking about this

just a bit ago my mind went to Casmeric and it went to what's her face in Florida I can't remember her name Oh, Emil Beauvais accent grog of the E. Oh, he did not come to mind. Well, yeah, he was back when he was hastily confirmed onto the Third Circuit bench, all the scuttlebutt was that he's got the inside track for the next Supreme Court seat. Okay, I hadn't heard that.

Well, maybe you talked about it and I just forgot. That's possible. So it's, but when you can. consider the people he's run with, you know, Harlan Crow and his lodge in upstate New York, or Lee Lee, oh, God, what's his name, who runs basically the Federalist Society? I was just about to bring that up. And, I mean, that's some pretty thin, perverted oxygen he's running around with, And what we're finding out from the Epstein files is that, you know, this goes everywhere.

It touches Russia. It touches Poland. It touches Israel. Mm-hmm. The Scepred Isle, the United Kingdom, is absolutely enraged right now. Right. And in fact, there's more outrage in the U.K. right now over all of this than I think there is in the United States. Of course, there's an actual photograph of Prince Andrew leaning over the prone body of a little girl. Oh, my God. That's disgusting.

I mean, that's drawn and quartered territory. At least it used to be in Mary Oldie Anglond. I don't know anything about that. But I did want to comment on the point you just made about it being more out, people in Britain being more outraged than people here. In listening to hard-hitting journalist Jake Tapper, the clip you played, I think, on Monday, it's no surprise to me that the American people are not as informed as the people in Britain about this.

No, not at all. Again, because of the profit motive built and baked into the cake of for-profit media. So I just wanted to put that out there. And back to the back to the federalist society, if I could for a moment. We know that Harlem Crow and, oh, I'm blanking on his name, Leonard Leo. There we are. Yeah, there's Lee Lee. Yeah, that they are connected through the Federalist Society, through all of Leonard Leo's

dark money funds and we still and we still don't know who paid off Kavanaugh's mortgages I mean it's pretty much an open secret to test Leonard Leo right but if and so

okay okay then I let me let me rephrase I didn't know that I did not know that um so So this scandal then could reach multiple, and this is, again, wild speculation. We're just in theory land here, but could possibly reach multiple members of the Supreme Court as well.

Yes. If we're considering the connections between the Federalist Society and Leonard Leo and Kavanaugh and Kavanaugh, and Alito and Thomas and the late Scalia. And we also know that the Federalist Society and Leonard Leo had ties to the Catholic Information Center run by that, oh, the priest there, McCluskey, I think was his name.

I think. Something like that. Yeah. And he, he was, he was a sexual, he was a sexual like predator as well. And then of course, we're all familiar with the pedophilia scandal raging, or that has been raging like wildfire through the Catholic Church for, for years.

Yes. Yes. So. And the thing is, and if I could just take it a step, further. So much, what we're finding out is that this was truly a, it's everything, it's everything that the Q-balls said it was. Short of Comet, ping-pong pizza and adrenochrome, there really was a global cabal of elite

billionaires who were raping children and trafficking them. Yep. And as Sylvie pointed out in her email early on, some documents in the Epstein files indicate that the originator of the idea was Epstein himself, hiding in plain sight. Oh, yeah, the Democrats are out there raping all the youngans. Oh, okay, it took me a minute to catch up. I'm sorry, I'm with you now. And weaponizing that in order to hide what they were doing. And so, for instance, just to extend the inquiry, frat boy Neil Gorsuch has taken hand-teaching positions

that were basically sinecures. Remember me talking about the doctors and the Gabapentin and the islands? Yes. Well, Neil Gorsuch, we know for a fact through ProPublica's work, that he took a sinecure professorship in, I think, sorry Matt in San Francisco, Tuscany, or maybe Rome. These, you know, these most puissant, dread, sovereign, supreme Catholic majesties do love to go to Italy. The home office of, you know, pedophilia, if you want to get right down to it.

Sammy Bad Breath is corrupted by by Leonard Leo and Har Har-Harkro. He went on a salmon fishing expedition, according to ProPublicas reporting a couple of years ago. They're all dirty. Remember, the handmade was part of a Christian cult, and that's where she got the name. That was her official title inside the cult,

a handmade. where women had to do everything that they were told by their husbands. Drop them and bleat like a sheep, honey. Gross. Sorry. That's who, you know, that's who these people are. And, you know, initially, Stephen New York said, I'm thinking back to the Supreme Court damage,

I'm thinking back to at least Bush vigor. It's deeper than that. remember the Rehnquist court was for a time run by a junkie, William Rehnquist. Oh, there's no evidence that any of the, that his addiction ever caused any kind of a problem with his administration of the court. My ass, look at the decisions. Tyrannies and the long term, Steve New York, says, I confess to coming down on what Keynes said about the long term. Well, you want to flesh that out, John Maynard Keynes? uh but and and frankly while i was out today i just happened to tune into uh npr and they had a i

think his name was robert kagan was being interviewed by terry gross on fresh air and the guys are a former republican you know all that comes with that and you know he said i'm prepared to say that we are, you know, it's time to stop saying that we, that he wants to be a dictator. Trump is a dictator. And, you know, that went out over you know, that went out from

from Fresh Air Studios in Philly across the country. And it feels like it's about damn time and said that you know, the institutions of democracy are gravely at risk. I seldom recommend things like this,

but if you can catch fresh air and Terry Gross's interview with Robert Kagan, it's worth your time. He sounds like an intelligent man, even if he is a former Republican. Yeah, he's at the Brookings Institute, and he's written for the New York Times, etc, et cetera, et cetera.

But he's got one of the more, he had, from what I heard, one of the more clear-eyed understandings of where we are. And I don't know, oh, in the long term we're all dead. Okay, thank you. Thank you, Steve. Yeah, that's John Maynard Keynes.

In the long term, we're all dead. And we may be, you know? But that's the whole point of the Democratic project, isn't it? Like to work towards something that greater than oneself, right? We're building stones. Well, it's what? It's what Dr. King said. We're building the building of democracy.

Yeah, it's what Dr. King said, you know, quoting Moses, I may not be able to cross into the promised land with you, but we will get there. Yeah. And just because you may not live to see it doesn't mean that you do not work to make it happen. Yeah. But by the way, gracious sakes, we were talking about Clarence Thomas, Matt in San Francisco. said, Clarence Thomas ruined how we said farewell to managers who got promoted at the company I was with at the time. We used to hire a stripper and have them perform a lap dance for the manager who was leaving before a store opening, of course,

so the entire store team could watch and enjoy the show. After Anita Hill's testimony, it was fairly obvious we were way out of line. Yeah. And this is extremely vapid and vacuous of me, but Victoria and I have been, because I'd never watched it back when it was airing in real time, have begun watching Mad Men. And I understand now why it was as popular as it was. The people who were children, who would have been children during the Mad Men era,

were the people who were actually creating the show, and they were looking back at a world that they remembered. Because this is such a mindblower for me to walk up. to look back at the mid-60s and, you know, moving toward the 70s and go, yeah, I remember that shit. And the way that women were treated. You know, we're horrified now, but a lot of the stuff that we talk about with, well, with people like Clarence Thomas,

hell, that was just any day that ended in why. Yeah, unfortunately, yeah. And so it is, it's a kind of. constant, it's a constant process of trying to get better and do better. I mean, it's wild. This is just an aside. There's an episode, I think, in season three where you see that it's, and, you know, just past my birthday and everything. But it's like, ooh, I'm two months old there.

Oh, I'm six months old there. And Betty Draper is pregnant in that season three. And it's like, yeah, I'm. five months older than the littlest baby in season three of madman and it's just so cringe i've never seen madman so i don't i'm not familiar i recommend it it's i mean it's it's very good and it's shockingly accurate and my god we are super we're it's a miracle um given the amount of booze consumed and the amount of cigarettes consumed that any men of that generation lived past 60. Every time you turn around, somebody's taking the lid off of a bottle of hooch, and they're drinking on the job, they're drinking at work, and I don't know.

I wonder how they got a new work done, you know, carousing with, you know, sexually harassing women and drinking booze and smoking cigarettes all day. When did all the advertising get done? But, I mean, it really is kind of wild. I mean, you know, that all fuels your creative juices, of course. But the scene where the little baby's being born, Don Draper's character is literally sitting in the waiting room with a hospital, hot box and cigarettes. And I remember that, and I think we're a better America now that we don't.

I mean, I'm old enough that I can remember walking into the grocery store smoking a cigarette and you know there are ashtrays placed around or ashtrays outside of elevators in department stores everybody smoked everywhere ashtrays in cars oh sure and my dad was obsessive compulsive about the ashtray in the car and passed it on to me um you might put the cigarette out in the ashtray but you don't leave the butt in it ashtrays are for ashes but in just thinking about this conversation too i mean that kind of i mean that just demonstrates how culture changes over time so i mean eventually this i don't know this lust for lack of a better word for authoritarianism and racism and misogyny is going to fade as culture changes i mean it would

it was unimaginable several years before the Supreme Court legalized. I don't know. I don't want to use that phraseology, but legalized same-sex marriage or acknowledged the right. Here's how I want to put it. Acknowledge the right for gay people to have equal protection of the marriage laws in this country. It was unimaginable that the Supreme Court would do that until it happened. And so even in the darkest days of this, of this tyranny, of this, of this dictatorship, I mean, it will break. The fever will break.

I just, I don't know how long it will, but I'm confident, I don't know how long it will take, but I'm confident. Well, I think you're right, and we have to understand, I think, that this is, well, you know, when Barack Obama was elected president, someone coined a term, I think it was Van Jones, white lash, that all of the, you know, all the tea baggers and all of the, you know, he's a commie, Psalm 109, may his children be oral. orphans, yada, yada, yada. But that was white lash. That was the grievance of white people, mainly white men, at a perceived threat to their power. Move forward a little bit in time, and you can see the war on women as a further extension of that grievance. because, for instance, there are more women in college now than men.

You can't go a couple of weeks without seeing some breathy think piece about the crisis of masculinity. And these are all just cheap ways of saying men are pissed off that they don't get to be, openly get to be shitheads anymore. I don't think that there is a crisis in masculinity. I think masculinity is involving. to move past this repression of this socially constructed repression of men to be confined to one thing. I mean, it's, again, it's a dominant culture box that people, that we were conditioned us men to believe that we had to behave in a certain way to be considered manly.

And I don't think, I don't think that it's a crisis of masculinity. I think it's, it's an evolution of what masculinity is. It's, it's breaking out of that generation, that generations old, I mean, going back to feudalism, really, definition, definition of the gender roles. and as our culture as our culture evolves yes they're going to be people that are pushing back against that but they're reactionaries and don't have they can't really bring themselves to understand that there's a different way of being it's like a fish out of water almost um i don't know but i think I think the people that are that are framing it as a crisis in masculinity, I think they're failing,

I think they're failing to realize that masculinity, okay, I don't, I don't want to, that sounds too judgy. I'll just say it. I think they're, and people can disagree with me, I think they're failing to realize that masculinity is evolving. And that men too have been harmed by patriots. Men too have been placed in a box that constricts and confines how we can express ourselves as men. And typically that manifests itself as anger and rage.

And, you know, because that's the only emotion men are allowed to culturally for generations have been allowed to express without being called womanly or without being called queer or without being called gay. You left out effeminate. Effeminate, you know, as if there's something wrong with any of that. Because one can still be a man and speak effeminately or act effeminently. And like things that typically are not culturally approved to be liked by men. Yeah. So I think masculinity is evolving.

Maybe, I mean, maybe I'm wrong. But it has a long toehold in a number of different cultures, a foothold, not just a toe. you know stoicism was a Roman philosophy of the way of life philosophy of dealing with it

and it comes down to us in a sort of diluted and poorly understood form as just being emotionally dead I mean not to not to drag not to drag the topic off but one of the things that I found out with transition

was that when I got my hormones right, it was like being let out of a prison. One of the first things that just absolutely gobsmacked me, I knew what I expected, the ordinary things, to the extent that it's ordinary, but to suddenly have access to the full range of human emotions and not feel like I was in some test, testosterone-induced prison was absolutely surprising, shocking even.

I could feel all kinds of emotions, and it was okay to feel them, and I didn't have to suppress them. And the way I expressed it back then was, you know, in my before time, I had access to two emotions, anger and fury, and the rest of it was stoicism. A friend of mine wrote to me somewhat after I came out and said, I'm so happy you did. She said, it was always clear that you were so angry about something, and now we know what it was. And it's like, yeah, I guess. But it has so many moving parts.

The only time I ever saw my father cry was when my mother was dying. and he was not prepared to deal with it. Once he started, he couldn't stop. And there was no mechanism there for him. There was no support system. You know, he came out of the coal camps. You want to cry, I'll give you something to cry about. I can't tell you how many times I heard that.

And, of course, every, you know, every, every criticism of men being emotional comes freighted with, of course, some misogynistic insult, you sissy. You queer? F-word. As if somehow heterosexuality itself was bound up with being just devoid

of human emotion. Yeah. Yeah. That makes a lot. That makes so much sense. That makes so much sense. And I think it, you know how cops,

even the good ones, will stay silent and cover for the bad ones? Yeah. Well, that's you know, that's, that's, that's in large part, and I've got a reason for saying

this, that's, that's so-called traditional American straight masculinity too. Because how many men have to stay silent. How many men had to remain silent in order for Jeffrey Epstein to do what he did? Ooh, that is a, ooh, that's a great observation. I never considered that. How many men allowed themselves to be co-opted into his disgusting activities, which were then weaponized, against them. You know,

Jesus Christ, I saw this statistic earlier today. Donald Trump is mentioned more times in the Epstein files than Harry Potter is in the entire Harry Potter series. Wow. Wow. And, of course, pooties in there a bunch of the times, too. And one suspects he was the one really pulling the strings on all of them. this, which supports the ongoing thesis we have had for a decade or more now, that somewhere in the Kremlin is a little videophile, probably not so little, of Donald Trump's sexually assaulting not just little girls, but little girls and little boys. I mean, this is some,

this is some just gobsmacking stuff. It's heavy, isn't it? It's heavy. I got a note from Joy in Ann Arbor a couple of nights ago, and thank you for the kind wishes and hoping I feel better. But she said that, I'm scrolling back, she said, I'm in shock at the things that have gone on behind my back for my entire fucking life. I think I'm concluding that our government itself runs a Pito Ramos. And then she triggered a memory.

She said, remember the shit rearing its head during the reign of George H.W. Bush but was quickly tamped down? And it was, yes, and I went digging around on it. And it's the same kind of allegations, David. And it was quietly swept away. It was called the Franklin Child Prostitution Ring. and it reared its head in Omaha, Nebraska in 1988, and political and business figures were said to have been involved in a child sex trafficking ring, and eventually state and federal grand juries got hold of it and said,

no, this is a carefully crafted hoax. I think we get to maybe re-examine that, because everybody who was anybody in Republicans, and again, it was Republicans, David, We're up to their eyeballs in this. Hindsight does lead to fresh perspective, doesn't it? Oh, it so does. Yeah.

And let me see if I can find Joy's post and share it with you. Because I went and read them and it just, she posted this earlier and, oh my goodness. this is a bit of a joke but it's a great thought experiment and it goes back to something I've said way in the past this being Pyramid Wednesday and all I've pointed out in the past that the only reason that a society or a culture passes rules or laws against

fucking sheep is because they have a sheep fucker problem Yeah, because there's stuff in the Old Testament, thou shalt not fuck the flock. So this piece says, hypothetically, if someone was accused of having sex with goats by over 30 different people and regularly denied it, but also dropped very public hints about how much he liked to have sex with goats for decades, and ran a goat pageant to find the best-looking goats, and was best friends with someone who got convicted of fucking goats and trafficking goats to friends all over the world who also liked to fuck goats. And his name was in the classified goat fucker chronicles 5,000 times.

And he wished other goat fuckers well in prison. What do you think the odds are that that that person is also a goat fucker? Yep. Yep. That is, that's an apt analogy, I think. And then there's the Mexico stuff. Good Lord. We've had another serious incident since an American shot the trial judge in our child sex trafficking case here.

That here being Mexico. An American was in Mexico and shot a trial judge overseeing a child sex trafficking case. This is verifiable shit. And one of the disclosures goes on and says, he and I both think this latest incident is tied to fact that we have reached out to your team who on your team knows we're talking to you anyone assigned from NSA CIA or US State Department please understand people's lives here are in jeopardy and the guy writing the emails accusing the DOJ of having someone from the NSA CIA or state on his team and suggesting their knowledge of prosecuting a sex trafficker would generate a hit on the judge assigned to the case four armed attacks against us my partner has shot and killed two and wounded five American eight agents to date, numerous white American agents following us in vans assigned to U.S. Embassy. Jorge was attacked and lost his arm. That's 2019, David.

Okay. I'm thinking, I'm just thinking about how, with a scandal this large, with multiple, multiple Republican Party poobaws implicated. It does not surprise me. Let me rephrase. I wonder if, I wonder how easy it is for them to slip into the phraseology of national security.

This is, we need to protect national security. And like I was, and the reason I bring that up is, because I was thinking about your comment about how many good people had to stand by and watch, or not good people, but how many other people, I should say, how many other people had to stand by, men particularly, had to stand by and, like, remain silent for this to occur.

and I'm just wondering if it's just, if it just became easier to rationalize by saying that this is, it's a national, it's a matter of national security. This can't go any further. I obviously don't agree with that idea, but I'm, I'm wondering if that's something that occurs. Well, if you go after it root and branch,

how far do the roots run? I mean, I was, I've always been a little news junkie, and so by the time the Watergate hearings were taking place, I was a kid, but my parents were locked into it, and I sat there right on the living room floor locked into it with them. And it was mind-numbing the detail involved, and just how much malevolence, how much mens rea was involved, and then you get, oh, my God, and I was a full-grown adult and a journalist during Iran-Contra,

and that would make your eyeballs roll back in your head. Because you had all these different tentacles. You had the deals going on between the Reagan administration and Iran, and then you had some billionaire named Manusher Gorbanifar, and then there were the flights, the cocaine flights out of Costa Rica. Yeah. And, I mean, it was all over the place, but I want to share this with you. Again, this came from Joy.

It may smell a little Alex, Alex Jonesy, but at this point in time, that may be where we are. Right. Right. And this piece that Joy shared simply said, and this piece is attached to a screen grab from August the 10th, 2019 on 4chan. You might remember Monday evening I mentioned that the P-O-L subgroup on 4chan.

was reactivated after a conversation between the guy who runs 4chan and Jeffrey Epstein. I remember that now, yes. And 4chan became a clearinghouse for basically right-wing meaming, and it had no credibility whatsoever. So it was a good place to dump. Remember David, and I'm sorry, because I don't mean to just ramble, but do you remember when the business about the white power symbol came out the hand gesture it was a few years ago but you know with the index finger touching

you have to do it with your right hand palm outward you've got your and then the three fingers up and the index finger and the thumb touching and it means white power yeah i do recall that i'm just trying to remember the specific context and then and then And then all kinds of Republicans started doing it. And the next thing out was from 4chan itself in which they said, ha, ha, we got you with the lulls. It doesn't mean that. But you dumb-ass liberals will believe anything we say, thereby sucking the life out of it.

And even, like, maybe the Southern Poverty Law Center kind of gave it some gravitas by saying, no, it's not really white power. and that's what it was all along right it's like it's like being a it's like being a double or triple agent in spycraft it's real but you say it's not but it is actually real yeah yeah and so other shit like that has promulgated out of four chan but this one absolutely made my blood run cold. Is Jeffrey Epstein still alive? Check out this post on 4chan in 2019 by a prison guard that nailed intricate details of the night that we, the public, just learned about in 2025 and 26 Epstein file drops.

About an hour before Epstein's death was publicly announced, a series of posts appeared on 4chan, from someone claiming to be a Metropolitan Correction Center prison guard. Curiously, subsequently shut down. They described a suspected body swap. Epstein allegedly being removed in a medical wheelchair the night before while an unauthorized van pulled up without proper check-in or protocol adherence. Recent document drops from the Epstein case confirmed the FBI took those posts very seriously.

They launched a serious investigation, subpoenaing forcham. phone carriers and banks. And I remember, and this is within the last year or so, we found out that Epstein, the night he died, was allowed to go and make a phone call from an unsecured area of MCC. On a cell phone, he said he was calling his mother. Remember this? I do.

He was calling his mother, and the prison official who had the phone and dialed the number said a male voice answered. Well, for starters, Epstein's mother had been dead for over a decade. So who was willing to let him call his mother when it wasn't exactly a secret that, you know, she was singing with the bleeding choir eternal. Right. And whatever happened to the phone? Don't know.

Whose phone was it? Don't know. Where is it? Don't know. Where are the records of it? Don't know. So, to get back to this piece of prose, bank records tied to the subpoenas have now identified the poster as Roberto Grhalva,

a real lieutenant officer at the Metropolitan Correctional Center at the time. But as a reminder, we have proof the FBI has to be. just done nothing with a vast majority of the information leads and victims. Yep. That lends real credibility to an insider account that something suspicious happened before the suicide news broke. Especially

if the FBI is going hard in the paint to investigate it. Right. There are other red flags too. The cell wasn't secured or preserved as a proper crime scene. Per Bureau of Prisons rules, Epstein's body was removed before FBI agents even arrived. No NC2 photos

were taken of the body in the cell. and items like medications and the supposed news were moved or disturbed early on. Forensic experts have called the handling shoddy at best, which could have ruined evidence and opened the door to a swap scenario. On top of that, there's no public record of DNA or fingerprint confirmation on the body identification came solely from Epstein's brother Mark. Would Mark have any motive to confirm it was really Jeffrey or even play up a murder-versus suicide debate to throw people off the He's Alive angle?

It's worth asking. If Grahalva's claims hold up and the documents make them harder to dismiss outright, it raises the possibility that Eckstein was extracted alive. Obviously, this is just a conspiracy, but given how much our DOJ and FBI has lied about this case, looked the other way and gone out of their way to protect co-conspirators and those that run cover, anything is possible at this point. and then there's the actual 4chan post. Again, this is August 10th,

2019, at 244.56 p.m. Not saying anything after this, please do not try to docks me, but last night after 0.4.15 count, they took him medical in a wheelchair, front-cuffed, but not one triage nurse. I'm having a hard time reading this. Hold on.

Yeah, it's probably not. It's probably very poorly written. Well, no, it's just, it's very tiny is what it is. Oh, oh, okay. I just assumed it was poorly written. Maybe that's just me. No, but it's important enough. I want to get it right.

Here we go. Took him medical in a wheelchair, front cuff, but not one triage nurse, says they spoke to him. next thing we know a trip van shows up we do not do releases on the weekends unless a judge orders it next thing we know he's put in a single man's cell and hangs himself

here's the thing the trip van did not sign in and we did not record the plate number and a guy in a green dress military outfit was in the back of the van according to the tower guy who let him through the gate you guys I'm shaking right now but I think they switched him out is is is um i'm sorry i i i i'm blanking on his name is he's still contactable is he still around

um the grahalba guy yes i don't know i don't know that's the problem with all of this but i got one because if he's i got one more if he's still around then if he's still around then he can then he can he can provide the name of the tower guard that saw the guy the green and then we would have two witnesses yeah if anybody wants to even chase that down yeah uh give me a second here because there's one more thing i want to share and it's audio uh this is just one one guy analyzing some of the epstein information okay where's the mute okay the most important okay the title is the most important name in the Epstein file is not Donald Trump.

I'm so angry right now that no media outlets are reporting the appearance of Bill Barr in the Epstein file. Remember, a murder requires motivation, opportunity, and ability. So who possessed all of them when Epstein killed himself? Not Trump, by the way. He had the motivation but not the capability. he couldn't have called the prison guards personally, right? He wouldn't know where to start. The prison guards themselves may have the capability and opportunity, but they didn't have the motivation,

so they would need someone to give them the order. So if Epstein was murdered, there must have been a middleman who had connections with both the posh Epstein Circle and the rank and file in the federal prison. system. And who could that possibly be? Well, I'm not making any accusations, but this is an angle any responsible media outlet should investigate. Even before the file down yesterday, we already knew that Bill Barr's father was Epstein's first employer who hired Epstein to teach teenagers, even though he didn't have a college degree. And on top of that, just a reminder,

Bill Barr's father wrote creepy, rapey science fiction. Just throwing that in there because it doesn't make it into this video. This guy, by the way, is an account called Huey Lee, L.I. Huey Lee and the News. Then let's see what dropped yesterday. So this is an email whose sender and the recipient were both redacted, and even the subject was redacted. What the heck?

Obviously, it's not an email between two victims, so why the redaction? No idea. The content sounds like a conversation between two investigators, which listed a bunch of celebrity names that may be involved. And this is the last item. William Barr. Redacted name, stated, was at Epstein's for a model event, ran into Barr, who was stated he wanted to see her next time he came. At another point, Epstein asked if she had ever met Barr, NTOC, which stands for National Threat Operation Center. So redacted name claimed she was a

victim of Epstein and that Barr was present during some of this abuse. You could say, well, this is just one random email. But then there's another file, which is some present. slides made by two FBI task forces. Near the end, we see Bill Barr again. Look at this second redaction bar. For some reason, that black bar is extra wide, so it not only redacted the victim's name, but also the line above. Pretty suspicious, right?

But fortunately, the edge of the letters are enough for me to make out what they said. William Barr slash Leon Black. NOTC filed by Redact name stated Barr and Black were present during abuses. Redacted name stated that she was at Epstein's for a model event, ran into Barr who stated he wanted to see her next time he came. So we have two documents mentioning the same thing. Of course, they don't prove guilt, but they clearly suggest that someone accused Bill Barr for watching the abuse. and the FBI was treating it seriously. That's enough justification for journalists to keep digging, right?

Because Barr was the only person who had both motives and capabilities to take out Epstein. Not only the capability to order the hit, but also the capability to stop the investigation after the hit. He was the only human on Earth who oversaw both the incarceration of Epstein and the investigation of his death. And now you're telling me he may also have a personal motive. Wow. Finally, even if Bill Barr turns out innocent,

Epstein's death was still a huge dereliction of duty, so he totally deserves getting more scrutiny over it. So please remind the reporters you know about this. I mean, it's all through the rabbit hole. No doubt about that. But I want to point something out here, and I think this is important. Who cleaned up the mess after Iran-Contra? Oh, I should know this, but I don't.

Oh, Bill Barr. Oh, that I thought, okay, wow. Who told George H.W. Bush, if you're going to pardon one, you've got to pardon them all. Bill Barr. Bill Barr. Holy shit. So, okay. Who?

I didn't. Oh, my God. Who tanked the Mueller report? Bill Barr. Bill Barr. Who had the power, regardless of which scenario you prefer, who could have put a guy wearing a green uniform in the back of an unmarked white van? Bill Barr.

Oh, my God. Yep, yep, yep. Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. Who was one of W's attorney generals? Bill Barr. Bill Barr. Who finally quit on like January the 8th, 2021, Bill Barr. Wow.

Can I bring something back in, too? Please. This relates back to the conversation we were just having about the Catholic Information Center. This is from Church and State from February 26th of 2021. The name of the article is called Leonard Leo, Opus Day, and the Radical Catholic Takeover of the Supreme Court. The quote is, so let me give some background. Father C. John McCloskey was reported. in 2005. He's a member of Opus Day, and he paid $97,000 to settle a sexual misconduct suit

for sexually assaulting women. This church and state article goes into detailed connections of who had connections with Father John McClewski. And I'm going to quote this directly. from this article that I just previously gave you the reference for. Along with former Attorney General Bill Barr, Leonard Leo served on the Board of the Catholic Information Center, the Opus Day stronghold on K Street in Washington a few blocks from the White House. As such, he must have been influenced by the former head of that same Catholic Information Center, Father C. John McCloskey, an Opus Day priest. McCloskey was single-handedly responsible for recruiting a number of powerful Washington insiders

to, well, if not Opus Day proper, than something decidedly un-American. That's a direct quote from that article. Per Newsweek, this is another quote, per newsweek, those in McClelsky's circle at the time included Antonin Scalia and Clarence Thomas, Thomas, Thomas, his wife, Jenny Thomas, Louis Free, who I'm not entirely sure who that is, the shady former FBI director, the late conservative columnist Robert Novak, Sam Brownback, former governor of Kansas, Lawrence Cudlow, Trump's former economic advisor, Robert Hanson, the former FBI officer who was a KGB double agent, I don't know who that is either, and Bill Barr. That, blows my, that blows my mind.

That blows my mind. Yes. Because Bill Barr being implicated in the pedophile scandal, Jeffrey, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, my mind is blown. Um, Jeffrey Epstein pedophile scandal. Through Bill Barr, that ties him directly to this freaky organization of Opus Day in the Catholic Church. And we also know that it was the Catholic Church who made a deal with the Third Reich

and to turn its eye, to turn a blind eye to what was going on in the concentration camps during World War II. So all of this is it's mind-blowing if we really dig. down deep. And root and branch, if we're going to, if we're going to really, if we're going to really dig, if we're going to dig this corruption out of our government root and branch, we're going to have to have something akin to, I believe, the Truth and Reconciliation Commission in South Africa, but it's probably going to have to be bigger. And also accompanied by a Nuremberg-style criminal prosecution as well. Yeah.

So I think we're going to need both. It goes back to what I said in the immediate aftermath of January 6, 2021. You might recall, I said, the way to handle this is you set up, you appoint a special prosecutor, and you give them all the resources they need and all in the world they do is prosecute every single individual to the fullest extent of the law. You know, working on, you know, you don't keep working on some, you know, some, you know, some other criminal case while you're also doing January 6th stuff. You put together the case with laser beam focus

and hammer everyone involved as hard as you possibly can. Well, just a hillbilly. But we'd be in a far different place had we done that. Reverbo with a note. Oh, first, Micah asks, well where is he then and yeah i said he was up to his eyeballs with Israel and the Mossad

he was cozy with Putin you know a little a little uh a little dasha near the warm water the warmer parts of russia yeah that could what yeah

that could work or maybe he's sunning himself down on the uh um Gulf of Arabia and of southern Israel. But they could

you know, people can disappear on this planet. And who's going to go looking for him? We're not going to send We're not going to send Seal Team 6 into Israel or Mother Russia. Now are we? No. And especially if everybody thinks he's dead. Yeah. And meanwhile, Reverbo says really considering how much trouble he could have caused for numerous important people, wouldn't it make sense to whack him?

Actually, I think you can make the contrary argument, Reverbo, because dead, he left all of this stuff behind him, which, by the way, the FBI ran in and hoovered up once he was dead. and I think it was supposed to be buried forever. And much of it still may be. Among other fuck-ups, if they are indeed fuck-ups, David, as the one guy, Huey Lee pointed out, they're redacting names of people who aren't victims. Why the hell do they deserve that? on the other hand

they outed people who were victims whose names should have at least in theory according to the letter of the law been redacted and I've read numerous articles saying that the victims are absolutely disgusted and feel like they're being re-victimized all over again but where

I don't want to see them I just want to know that they exist right we know that he had video Do they implicate? Right. He had video blackmail evidence of people running away on trafficked little girls. Now, wouldn't some responsible news outlet, if that had been in part of the document dump,

wouldn't some responsible news outlet have, I mean, there's a way to write about these things. You don't have to show the video. But you can say, yep, pick a name, Prince Andrew, can be seen in the video, having sex with someone who has been verified to be under age. You do not have to get graphic about it, but you can at least let the world know that it exists. And we know it exists. Right.

Because when the FBI comes and raids your home with a search warrant, all Fourth Amendment, AOK and everything, they catalog everything. And they did that here. So, I mean, I don't know why then, I don't know why then they wouldn't just release what they've cataloged, even if they could not. And of course, I'm, okay, just, I need to calm down for a second.

Breathe. Okay. I don't know why they wouldn't just release what the, the, the documents that contain the catalog. Does that make sense? Yeah. Even if they need more time to, even if they need more time to do legitimate redactions,

why not release the catalog? Have they done that? Not to my knowledge. And you know who squirled all of this? Jisline Maxwell. What do you mean by that? Well, I mean, sorry.

One of the primary talking points. of the maggots in all of this was, well, if it's so important, why then Joe Biden release them? Well, Biden was... Biden was... Her appeal was pending before the Circuit Court of Appeals

and in the Supreme Court. And they couldn't. They were ethically barred from releasing anything. Oh, I didn't know that. And also, if there is... If we are suspecting that there is... that there is a network of dirty FBI agents that are facilitating all of this,

which is a strong possibility, then it's likely that during the Biden administration, they went into, they went quiet or started running quiet. Yeah. You know? They went to ground, as the saying goes. Thank you. and at this point in time there's no need and point in putting the word dirty

in front of FBI agent there's there's no there are no clean ones left I don't know if you saw but in one of the eye subduction cases a woman who worked for the DOJ went in and the judge said

why haven't you complied with my order and she said I don't know this job sucks She has now been pulled off the case. And forgive me. I'm still trying to wrap my mind around this, right? So it's going to take me some time to, like, not presuppose good intentions. I'm just that naturally, naturally that kind of person. And so it's going to take me a while to, it's going to take me a while to sit with

this. No, you got to digest it. Yeah. Because I'm just naturally inclined to like give people some modicum of a benefit of a doubt. But this is, this is, this is damning. This is damning. The, and this is what, this is just what we can piece together, right? I'm floored. I'm floored.

And we're only at the tip of the iceberg. You know, Melinda Gates has finally chimed in and said that her ex-husband, Bill, needs to be held accountable for things that happened back then. And she said, frankly, it's horrifying for me because it brings up so many of the worst parts of my marriage. That's as far as she went, but, well, what do you mean, man? and over at CNN, they interviewed a technology journalist and a podcast host named Keras Swisher,

who today said that numerous, well, several women have come to her who were tech wives. And by the way, other, let me tell you, during that time, a lot of those tech people went, and the only people who ever said things to me were often the wives of those people, now the ex-wives. But I had someone say to me a wife of a very prominent technologist, they'd gone to the island. She landed, looked around and said, we need to leave here. Something terrible is going on here. Why are we here? And the husband was like, why, what's wrong? Like that kind of thing.

Women know. Oh, my God. And West Virginia doesn't get out of this. There's reference. Jesus. There's reference in the Epstein files to Joe to the mansion born, reaching out to Jeffrey Epstein to help him find a yacht on which he could host a really big party.

Of course there is. Of course there is. That, of course there is. Of course there is. Sorry. But then even weirder, even, and, uh, uh, uh, uh, it. aviation aficionados and aficionados like Micah and Asa might be able to shed some light on this. There's reference in the Epstein files to something that was referred to as the Fantasy Island flight. It was either a Gulfstream or a Learjet, and it would land at a little airport in Randolph County, West Virginia, You know, the county seat is Elkins, for a brief period of time. And the people who saw it land reported that aboard the aircraft were what appeared to be teenage girls in skimpy stewardess uniforms with visible lingerie.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. No. No. No. And that it would refuel or whatever and then go on, but that every now and then one of those jets would land there. And then, I guess for a period of time, the girls would get off the plane and they'd mingle with the people at the airport and then get back on the plane and fly away. That's gross. Yeah. They had it all sorted out. now I'm wondering if there were people at the FAA who knew about this shit I'm also wondering

Oh by the way here's another fun one I mentioned that Joanne Rowling or Robert Galbraith or whatever they're calling themselves lately the Harry Potter person She's in the Epstein files Talking about how fun it'll be when she gets to get together with Jeffrey The next time she's in the in the colonies

And he often to like pay her way or something. But then she did something independently. This isn't out of the Epstein files. This is just fairly recent. She did something really weird. She has a super yacht. Joanne Rowling does.

Okay. And I don't know if Tom and Sunny San Rafael is listening. But these super yachts maintain logs. and apparently they're findable online. You know, there are people who like to see where these things are going and whatnot, and there are people who track planes and what have you. Well, apparently... Ironically, because of the Lifestyles of Rich and Famous TV show,

that's an irony that I just wanted to point out. Yes. And, well, Robin Williams, or Robin Leach, rather, not Robin Williams. He's not in the Epstein files, I don't think. But all of a sudden, all of her data of the comings and goings of her super yacht are, poof, gone. It disappeared. I figured that's where you were going.

Wow. Goodness. You know what else I'm wondering, too, in this moment? That's that? I'm wondering how many board members of, like, say, the New York Times or the Washington Post. or CNN or the Disney Corporation or Warner Brothers Discovery. I wonder how many board members are implicated, the ones that we don't know their names,

the ones that are making the decisions about what we get to see on TV. Yeah, and let's remember something too, please, because I haven't seen a lot of mention of this. He also, Epstein also had a vast spread. You know, we talk about Epstein Isle, we talk about his mansion in Florida, and we talk about his mansion in New York City. Nobody ever talks about his mansion in New Mexico.

This is the first time hearing about it. You know, vast, wide-open spaces where you can't run away. If you run away, if you try to run away, you die. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Yeah. Oh, God.

And he had his hooks in Hollywood. And the thing is, considering all the people that got roped into this, how you look at it as anything but the single, single most successful Russian compromise effort in the entire history of the nation, well, that evades me, because it touches everybody. or everybody who's anybody. Right. You know, I wonder if there's,

I wonder if there's a nexus between all the people getting the axe today at the Washington Post. Maybe. I mean, they shut down, they shut down blogs, they shut down, I think their sports desk. They literally stranded a reporter in Ukraine

in the dead of winter. I heard you talking about that earlier. They shut down the Jerusalem Bureau, the Asia Bureau. I mean, the thing is these actual journalists, these actual print journalists, they're going to do something with their time. And now they don't have Washington Post editors telling them what they can and cannot research and can and cannot write. Do they think strategically about this shit? Because firing a bunch of like journalists and pissing them off,

When they're going to have nothing better to do than investigate their connections to Jeffrey Epstein, that doesn't make much sense if you think about it. But knowing them, they think they probably, if it is true that they fired a bunch of journalists to help cover up their pedophilia ring, then they're probably thinking to themselves, oh, well, we don't want to have a bunch of journalists doing professional journalists. journalism, but in the long run, if you got a bunch of professional journalists sitting around not doing anything pissed off that you just fired them, what do you think those professional journalists are actually going to do? I'm just saying it's not a strategic. The right thing? No, no, there's an old saying you never start a war with a guy who buys ink by a barrel.

Well, maybe the guy who buys the ink by the barrel ought not start the war with the people who use the ink. Right. This is mind-numbing stuff. And by the way, I need to send thanks out to Colin. Thank you so much, Colin. Ralph's challenge has been met. And we are down to $475, so that's not terrible for the 4th of February. David, I could never have imagined in my wildest dreams that this would be what I was talking about on the 22nd anniversary of the existence of this program.

I meant to say happy anniversary, and I also meant to say happy belated birthday because I didn't. Well, thank you for both. I did say happy birthday before, and thank you for reminding me that it was your birthday. I remembered that it was your birthday last week, but I didn't call in because I was working. And so this is the first opportunity I had to call in. And then I forgot that it was your birthday last week. Oh, so many people were so kind to me. And so happy belated birthday.

Thank you. It makes me. it was just made it wonderful and Sylvie the dead Pido sketch going Monty Python I wish to complain about the Pido in your prison you let him die he's dead No he isn't yes he is

Dead is a doornail he's gone shuffled off this mortal coil He isn't then He's alive and living in Argentina Look he's extinct He is no more pushing up daisies Now he's pie and he's pawing pining. Pining for what? Pining for his Pito Island, and he's jet.

No, he isn't. He's dead. And I want to... I want to... I'm going to take it really weird here now, okay? Why the fuck not? Okay. Okay. At the close of Monday's program, because it was kind of a niche little thing,

out of the Epstein files. I brought up the name of a prominent surgeon named Jess Ting. I recall. Who had a practice in general plastic surgery in New York City and was apparently on speed dial for Jeffrey Epstein anytime one of his girls got hurt. In fact, there's one email that says Jess and a woman's name and her two young daughters.

daughters, and their nannies will be coming down to your island so that Jess can play with your toys. No, stop it. Ew. Well, Ting went on and said, well, you know, when he said, when we said that, he was talking about jet skis, because, you know, you can't get it. No, no, no, no, no, no, no he wasn't. And then Jess Ting becomes a rock star plastic surgeon in the realm of sex reassignment surgery. And a lot of trans girls have had their surgery done by him. But the weird thing is that he sent Epstein a note saying, I have changed my practice to transgender surgeries,

and I thought this information might be valuable to you. or something along those lines I just I mean I can't even I can't okay my brain has obviously seized

that information has seized my brain I can't that's disgusting that's disgusting oh but wait this is where it gets weird David oh this is where it gets weird

okay okay by way of by way of set up explanation. I thought we passed weird two exits back,

but that's right. Wait a minute. And we haven't even gotten to the bats. I'm a big fan, and you know, we were talking about Mad Men earlier and how gross and misogynist and sexist

it all is. You kind of have to take literature for where and when it was and you can watch Madman and be like, oh, God, that's gross. But, you know, that's how shit it was. Yeah.

And art imitates life. So I'm a big, big fan. I've read the whole series several times of John D. McDonald's Travis McGee series. What's that about? It's their crime novels. mystery

but Travis McGee is this really, really cool guy he appears the first time in 1964 in the first novel McDonald went on and said that his initial name for him was Dallas McGee

but that what happened in November 1963 in Dallas kind of forced a name change Wow, yeah But Travis McGee goes about And he calls himself a salvage expert

He's not a cop He's not a detective It's just that when everybody When somebody has run out of all their options And they've been screwed over by somebody Travis McGee will take up the case And go and get back And salvage what he can

And split the proceeds with the victim And it's really It really is a cool cultural document. You can see Travis McGee, via the author, changing and moderating and becoming a better guy through the course of the series, which finishes in 1985 with the untimely passing of John D. McDonald.

But there is one, and there is one novel where they're looking for a guy who has, who is apparently last, scene in a grainy photograph in Wadalajara, Mexico. And once upon a time, if you were, say, a former mobster in witness protection who wanted to just disappear, they would literally send these guys to Wadalajara because Wadalajara was a worldwide epicenter of the best facial plastic surgery

on earth and the surgeons there could be trusted to be discreet about it and so mobster goes down gets new identity, goes, gets new face and just disappears into the crowd

at one point in time I looked at going to Guadalajara because it would be a it would have been a little bit cheaper than getting it done here in the U.S., but they need cash and I had insurance and they don't take it. But to this,

day. Tons of people go to Guadalajara for, and not just, you know, not trans people, not just mobsters, but people who want really high-end facial plastic surgery. And so what occurred to me when I saw the Just Ting connection was that, well, you know, we're not talking about a little nip tuck. We're not talking about, you know, a neck lift or getting rid of like the turkey. the turkey neck that Nittwitnero has. Epstein would have had full knowledge of how to go about getting an entirely new face. And so does the DOJ and the FBI, who were the ones who once sent those aforementioned mobsters to Wadalajara.

It is not that far a stretch. I told you this is where it gets weird. It's not that far stretch to think that if that scenario laid out in that 4chan post from August the 10th, 2019 is true. Well, the first thing you don't do is you go get him

a new face. And then once the bandages come off and he's all healed up, you could walk by him in the grocery store and you'd never know it was him. Wow. Yeah, we need we're going to need a reckoning. We're going to need a bigger vote.

We're I'm suggesting the I'm suggesting the form of a Truth and Reconciliation Commission coupled with a massive criminal prosecution a la Nuremberg because like I said earlier I think we need both

I think we need if we are ever going to if we're ever going to dislodge the rot in the center of our republic I think that's what is going to be required. And then the question becomes, how do you go about putting together a tribunal

that you know for a fact has not been compromised? You might ask the Italian government, because they've been dealing with the mob for ages. Well, maybe state-level prosecutors. Well, they have to be crimes committed in that state, George, for instance, in Korskull, just said cadaver dogs. Well, I'm saying you, I'm saying you, you dragoon people, like, not dragoon is probably not the best word, but dragoon people that have state-level prosecution experience and appoint them to special prosecutor. People from outside of D.C.

Maybe. Maybe. But George decides. George just said cadaver dogs. After reading about Trump-Ebstein employee threatening the make fertilizer out of a young pito victim at Trump's golf club in Palis Verdes, California, Stephanie Miller offered to bring cadaver dogs to the back nine to investigate. I mean, that's great. But cadaver dogs, after that long, maybe, maybe not.

But LIDAR, ground penetrating radar, damn Skippy. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And Steve in New York says, I agree, but I wonder if our criminal justice system even has laws that apply to what we have here. Oh, I'm certain we can find some. I'm certain we can find some. But I wonder if anybody's even looking at New Mexico. A lot of room to bury a lot of bodies there.

Wow. Wow. Barry me not on the lone prairie. Wow, okay, I need to digest this, process this a little. It's two after five for me, so I am hungry. I'm going to let, I'm going to... Sounds like a lovely idea. I'm going to try to do something bland and banal just to satisfy my hunger,

because I'm still waiting for the meds to really get back all the way kicked in. and Jessica up in the Greater Rochester Metropolitan Co-Prosperity sphere said give David another Lama Bell for passing the exit that was perfect timing and a perfect response so and because Jessica is a fan of the late doctor Dr. Thompson we can't stop here this is backcountry and another quote because we're talking about icky people Holy Jesus, what are these goddamn animals?

And again, a reminder wrapping up and on the way out the door that back in the 80s, early 90s, there was Dr. Thompson writing Gonzo journalism about a mad night running around horrid and drinking with Fappy Thomas. Wow. I mean, wow. Wow. Maybe he just had the ability to read people. I mean, okay. Hard left.

Can we even do a hard left before we go? Please. Before you and I, okay. I don't think I talked to you last week after my bar hearing. You did not. I was. My bar not hearing. It was my panel interview.

Your Star Chamber. So I'll give you an update on that. Then my Star Chamber. Yeah. So, ironically, given the topic of the evening. One of the, um, one of my panel interviews was a Maltoma County District Attorney who works in the human trafficking division. So I found that ironic. Um, and the other one was some, some, someone in private practice out in Bend. And, um, I think it went well. I, I don't think,

I don't think, okay, I, I, I went, it went better. than I had expected. I had expected to be defending myself the entire hour and 15 minutes. It turned out to be a more, it turned out to be, turned out to be a more, a less accusatory conversation than I had anticipated. Let me put it like that.

Thank you. So I feel like I was given the opportunity to, to clarify some things. And I feel like I was given the opportunity. to demonstrate why I wanted to be an attorney. I felt whether or not they were, whether or not the Board of Bar Examiners is able to hear what I said

and comprehend what I said, I don't know. But I felt like I was able to get the message that I wanted to get across across, that I had been harmed by the criminal justice system, that I wanted to bring some modic... of actual justice to the criminal justice system that i wanted to uphold people's rights um that i wanted to protect um poor and marginalized defendants from abuses from this by the state um and that was my motivation for coming to law school that i was not doing this for money um and i was able to point

out at the very end how long ago in the past all of this had all of the all of the criminals the criminal matters had happened and not only that that they had all that i used the the court process to to have all of them dismissed um and set aside and in the eyes of the law and i use this direct quote in the eyes of the law i haven't been convicted of anything um and i was able to um yeah i was able to point those things out and so they are definitely referring my matter to the full Board of Bard Examiners for a vote on the 13th of

February. So that's next Friday, Friday the 15th. Oh, God. So I'm, so I had my panel interview on the 21st, so I'm just waiting until next Friday to hear something about the final vote.

I think I have more support on the board than I realize. I know, I have mentors and I have people who are working in the background trying to push the board in the right direction. And that's the framing they would be using. That's not what I'm saying. So I feel like I've got some strong support.

I think it'll go well next week, but it'll be next week before I find out. God, we're all rooting for you. Thank you. But I suspect you're probably right. Yeah. So I'm hopeful, but I have no plan in place at the moment if they do not grant me my bar license on the 13th.

I have no idea what I'm going to do. So I'm stuck between a rock and a hard place. I need them to, I need them to grant me my bar license on the 13th so that I can continue my employment. If they don't, I fear that I will no longer be employed and I don't know what to do with that. I don't know how to hold that. So I'm just not really, I'm trying not to really think about that. And I'm just hoping for a positive outcome on the 13th. And I'm hoping that I don't get disappointed.

Well, I hope I'm not seeming flip or vapid. But, you know, there's an old saying out there that I think applies to your situation. It's a baseball metaphor. If it rains, we won't play ball. So it's uncomfortable, but rather than dining daily on your own, liver. Just look at the forecast and wait to see if it rains or not.

Okay. Does that make any sense at all? A little bit. You can't. I think I got lost in the metaphor. In other words, you don't cancel a game a week from Friday because you think it's going to rain.

You have to wait and see if it rains. actually exactly exactly that's okay yes that makes sense yes that makes sense no and ralph just said i'm rooting for david and this whole family community congregation is so um i will um i will definitely send you an email on friday i don't know if i'll be able to to call in um for the for the front porch or the back porch that day i just don't know what my schedule is like it's going to be like all that day. No, understood. So, but I will, I will definitely send you an email if I hear back.

Well, if you get, if you get happy news and you want to be somewhere with a swirly straw and a bottle of champagne, you have, you have both indulgence and absolution. Thank you. More than welcome. I'm going to send you, I'll send you an email either way next Friday. just so So, um,

please do. You're aware. Um, okay. Well, that's that I think I'm going to go eat things. Go eat good things. I'm having crackers or something, so.

I, I think I'm going to do, I got some like, those Hormel like kind of lunchable things. I think I'm going to do that with, like a Caesar salad. That sounds yummy. I've been on a,

I've been on a, cheese steak binge lately. Okay. But I haven't been binging on anything since, you know, since I started jonesing for my proton pump inhibitor. But fingers crossed on multiple fronts. David, this has been a magnificent conversation, my friend. You are a wonder.

I adore you, and we'll talk soon, okay? Okay, you take care. All right, bye. Love you. Wow, that is one heck of a conversation for the 22nd anniversary of this here little program. Thanks, David. And thanks, everybody. Thanks to each and every one of you who share your precious finite time engaging in the program in whatever manner you choose.

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No kidding. An angel. Had to do something, prayer meetingish. In a fresco. It's at the Basilica of San Lorenzo in Lucina, and the church paid

to have the fresco updated. And I swear to God, does he know? Shades of Baby Dog. Remember the story from last year sometime where an artist painting a mural in the capital just happened to insert an image of a little English bulldog in the early 19th century portion of the mural about West Virginia? And it just happened to be, you know,

make West Virginia great big old governor Jim Justice's baby dog well at the Basilica of San Lorenzo in Lucina the artist painted in one of the angels to look like Italian Prime Minister and fascist Georgia Maloney and Pope Leo said nope rub it out Cardinal Vicar Baldassari Reina

who is buddies with the Pope Pope said, images of sacred art in the Christian tradition can be misused or exploited as they are intended exclusively to support liturgical life. And the artist who had painted the fresco back in 2000 said, well, okay. I just found that hilarious. Good on you, Leo. Hey, look, the Pope's antifa. And always, always, always, as I explained at the beginning of the program, Wayne and Gina. It's all for you.

Talk to you a little bit, Victoria. I hope you've had a good day in the bakery. Later.