High Performance Mindset | Learn from World-Class Leaders, Consultants, Athletes & Coaches about Mindset - 343: Thriving in Uncertainty with Dr. Kirsten Peterson, Elite Performance Psychologist

Episode Date: June 5, 2020

Kirsten Peterson is a registered psychologist, endorsed sport and exercise psychologist and principal sole trader for Kirsten Peterson Consulting. Prior to her current role, Kirsten worked as a senior sport psychologist with the US Olympic Committee, and more recently headed up the performance psychology team for the Australian Institute of Sport. Kirsten’s current practice consists of performance psychology and executive coaching services for individuals and consulting to organizations in the areas of “happy, healthy, high performance,” culture, and team building, and education to groups in the areas of performance enhancement, mindfulness, neuroscience, and mental health. In this podcast, Cindra and Kirsten talk: Why embracing failure is key to high performance What is at the heart of mastering the mental game The separations of the world’s best from a mental perspective Why we need to become friends with our mind A free summit on thriving in uncertainty she is organizing   HIGH PERFORMANCE MINDSET SHOWNOTES FOR THIS EPISODE: www.cindrakamphoff.com/Kirsten   HOW TO ENTER THE PODCAST GIVEAWAY TO WIN $500 CASH: www.drcindra.com/giveaway   INFORMATION ON THE “THRIVING IN UNCERTAINTY SUMMIT”: https://www.kirstenpetersonconsulting.com/   FB COMMUNITY FOR LIVE PODCAST INTERVIEWS: https://www.facebook.com/drcindrakamphoff/   FOLLOW CINDRA ON INSTAGRAM: https://www.instagram.com/cindrakamphoff/   FOLLOW CINDRA ON TWITTER: https://twitter.com/mentally_strong   Love the show? Rate and review the show for Cindra to mention you on the next episode: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/high-performance-mindset-learn-from-world-class-leaders/id1034819901

Hey, my name is Cindra Campoff and I'm a small-town Minnesota gal, Minnesota nice as we like to say it, who followed her big dreams. I spent the last four years working as a mental coach for the Minnesota Vikings, working one-on-one with the players. I wrote a best-selling book about the mindset of the world's best and I'm a keynote speaker and national leader in the field of sport and performance psychology. And I am obsessed with showing you exactly how to develop the mindset of the world's best so you can accomplish all your goals and dreams. So I'm over here following my big dreams and I'm here to inspire you and practically show you how to do the same. And you know, when I'm not working, you'll find me playing Ms. Pac-Man.

Yes, the 1980s game Ms. Pac-Man. So take your notepad out, buckle up, and let's go. This is the high performance mindset. The present moment is where we want to be. If we're going to, if we have, if we're going to increase our chances of thriving. Welcome to episode 343 with Kirsten Peterson. This is your host, Dr. Cinder Kampoff, and I am grateful that you're here. If you know that mindset is essential to your success, then you are in the right place. And I am pumped today to announce a podcast giveaway that we are organizing here at the High Performance Mindset Podcast. It is unbelievable and you're going to love it. The full details are over at drcindra.com slash giveaway. And I'm giving away $500 in cash, a free coaching session with me personally,

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So Kirsten today is talking about thriving in uncertainty and drawing on 22 years of international experience as a sport and performance psychologist for Olympic athletes, coaches, and teams in the U.S. and Australia. Kirsten understands how high performance works. She was a team psychologist at seven Olympic Games and has worked with numerous sports, most recently with the Australian National Women's Water Polo and Rowing Programs. Kirsten has also worked for high performance organizations, including the United States Olympic Committee. That's where I first began to follow her work and the Australian Institute of Sport. As the head of the Australian Institute of Sport Performance Psychology team,

she managed a team of sports psychologists across four states, crafted national sports psychology strategy and programs for sports psychologists across the Australian national network, and provided advice to national sport organizations. So in this podcast, Kirsten and I talk about why embracing failure is key to high performance. What is at the heart of mastering the mental game? The separations of the world's best from a mental perspective? Why we need to become friends with our mind? And we also talk about why over 50% of people report not being in the present moment. Finally, she describes her summit on thriving in uncertainty and change, which she is organizing,

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this episode with a friend. Anytime something catches your interest or you think about a friend, you can just copy and paste the link on Apple Podcasts, iHeartRadio, Spotify, wherever you are listening. You could text a friend and tell them you're thinking about them and share the episode. You could also share the episode on your Instagram stories and tag me at cindracampoff. That's C-I-N-D-R-A-K-A-M-P-H-O-F-F. Without further ado, let's bring on Kirsten. So Kirsten Pearson, I'm so excited that you are here today, KP. I'm really excited that you are joining us. So, why don't you just start and give us a little bit of background and describe a little bit about your passion and what you do.

Cydra, it's a pleasure to be here. And I, for those of you listening, Cinder and I came together as a result of me really being inspired by your work and your Mindset Summit, which gave me an idea in the middle of the pandemic I was casting about for things to do. And seeing what you had done has sent me on my own journey. And so I am so grateful to have seen,

come across that and started a dialogue between the two of us. I have been classically trained as a sports psychologist and had a long and really, I how athletes actually thrive, that some of the ways in which sport works was going against that. So I was working with coaches who would literally say to me, you know, I break them, you fix them. This is the way it works here. And so I just, in my gut, I'm thinking there has got to be a better way to do this in ways that don't have to break the athlete on the way to a great performance. And so in branching out into my own practice, really my tagline on my business is higher performance and happier life. And the idea being that we can, we can help, I think, sports psychology, performance psychology,

and I certainly myself, it's around performance is sustainable. Awesome. I'm looking forward to talking to you more about that, like this idea of happiness and high performance. So if we back up a little bit, you've just had such incredible experience and you've been able to go and support athletes at the Olympic Games, for example. So just give us a little bit of background on how did you get to where you are today? How did you get to Australia? And then what are some of the highlights along the way?

Sure. Well, I, you know, just as I, the event I'm about to run stands on the shoulders of giants, I, including you, I've been really fortunate in my career to work alongside some of the best, working at the USOC, the US Olympic Committee, US Olympic and Paralympic Committee now, and working alongside sports psychologists like Sean McCann, Peter Haberle, and learned a ton about, and being able to track athletes across their Olympic careers, yeah, to the games. And being at a benchmark event like that is as shocking to a sports psychologist as it is for athletes and coaches, to be honest. And so I think it's funny how we all have our Olympic moments. You know, you go in and it's just such a big event. But after 14 years at the USOC, my daughter was 11 and I was just kind of done. I wanted to be with her. I'd been traveling a lot.

So I quit the USOC with really nothing in place. And but within a month and a half of leaving, the AIS found out I didn't have a job. So the Australian Institute of Sports, so they reached out and it seemed like, oh, wouldn't that be fun to move to Australia? Yeah, and that sounds glamorous. Yeah, you know, like when you're just doing it in theory, but then I mentioned it to my family, and my then 11-year-old daughter was like, oh, that'd be cool, and my husband was like, no way in hell. I love Colorado, we're not doing that, and then,

and of course, the way it goes is with all this ambivalence, I'm going through the steps of the interview process anyway. And it's, I'm kind of just cruising along and they kept, the ANS just wouldn't let it drop. And, and so it came time for me to fly out for an interview. And my husband's like, I'm not going. And then a week before the interview, the airfare has dropped like $500, karma. And he's like, all right. So he goes with me to the interview and falls in love with Canberra. I mean, like I'm seriously dating Canberra.

He would marry Canberra. So it went in the way of marriage dynamics, you know, I was the one pushing, pushing, pushing, we got to do this, got to do this. And then, then all of a sudden, he's like, Oh, my gosh, we got to do this. I'm like, no way in hell, are we doing this? I don't want to do this. And, but I was offered the job. And, and eventually, he wore me down. And we made the jump with our family. It was also good timing for, you know, my daughter wasn't too old. We thought it'd be a really good experience for her. So first year at the AIS and just moving internationally, I don't recommend it for

the faint of heart because it is quite stressful, but it ended up being one of the best things our family could do. And my daughter who, after her initial like, yes, let's go do it, of course, didn't want to do it, but then came to love it again. And so seven years, the AIS job turned into the best job I never wanted and really took my time there. But then they, as all good things come to an end, the AIS did a reorganization where they decided to divest themselves of their sports sciences. This was back in 2018. So I was, as they say in Australian language, made redundant, which would be Australian for sort of being laid off from my role, but they buy out, they give you a package to leave. And so that allowed me to make the jump into this private practice, which was great timing because right around that time, all the philosophical things that were happening for me

in my own growth as a psychologist were coming to bear. And it was time to really do my own thing. Thank you. Thanks for describing your journey there. And so I want to dive into how you see performance psychology and what's what is the observations that you've made over the last many years. So to start, KP, I usually ask everybody to define what failure means to them and tell us about a time that you've gotten and that, you know, you've, you've been able to really live through. So what do you think is failure and tell us about a time that didn't go so great for you? You know, it's a great and loaded question because I find that in sport in particular, failure is such a bad word and it's seen so horribly by people like failure is not an option or and so I do I I do a lot of reframing of failure because I think that's the only way we learn and get better especially if we're trying to be the best at our craft we're always going to be pushing the edge so

failure lets you know where the edge is so So it's important and it's indispensable. And, you know, we look, you know, it's a truism, but it's a truism and cheesy because it's true that we really learn the most from our failures. So a lot of this is sort of turning around and embracing failure rather than running away from it. And I find that's a big part of my work is getting people to, or athletes or coaches to be in that space. How would you, in your personal opinion, help people move forward after failure and really embrace this as you just described?

I think it's, it's in an, you know, theoretically it's the, how quickly they can metabolize the failure into learning. So really, first of all, I do a lot of work with people and their emotional experience. And so, you know, failure is just an event, but it's often our reaction to it that's the hardest thing for us. So helping people to tune in and be wise around that reaction, meaning it's a natural experience that your body is giving off, that you're disappointed, which is fine. So you go through that process, but we don't want to overly react to it and keep shooting ourselves in the foot with the arrow of suffering. So how do we reduce that and start talking about in a sort of a more dispassionate way, really get good at debriefing? What can we take away from it? And how do we move

forward? Because really, that's what resilience is, is how fast you can do that. Right. Yeah, your ability to bounce back. Really good point. So when you think about the world's best and some of the great athletes that you've been able to work with, what do you think separates them from a mental perspective? There's a lot of self-knowledge there. I find that athletes who kind of go through the, who develop through the pipeline of sport to be great, they generally hit a point early in their career, and I think you're going to ask me this, but early in the career, you get athletes who tell me they know what's best for them, but clearly they do not, you know. And so often my advice to good athletes

early in the career is like, let's make sure you have a trusted tribe around you who can give you the best advice possible, and you stay in that tribe. So you kind of go with what brought you, but don't try to do this on your own because there's expertise out there that you need. But then inevitably you get to a point in your development as an athlete where you start to realize you know really what you need. You know, it might be a training load. It might be that I need to focus on this aspect of my experience, but coaches are not letting me do that because it's breaking out of the program.

And I think, you know, when athletes move into that space, I believe they need to be allowed the space to do it their way if they can. And the art is knowing when that is, but I find that the athletes I work with, they inevitably have a clash with the coach because the coach has to grow with them to get to be in that space, if that makes sense.

And so I think it's self-awareness and then an unflinching search for the next thing that's going to make me that much better. So I don't rest on this idea that I'm number one in the world. It doesn't mean anything to me, my relative ranking. It's what am I doing to be the very best I can be. And do you think this idea of being the best that I can be and continually searching for that, do you think that's something that's just like that they're born with, you know, this desire, this hunger, or do you think

it's, they cultivate it? Does it come from failure? When you think about some of the athletes you've worked with, what do you think? That's a great question. I, I would never want to count anybody out for any reason whatsoever because I find that you, you, the world is, is just full of athletes who weren't the most gifted, who just through hard work, figure it out. Yeah. Good point. I don't want to count anyone else out either, or just anybody. So I don't, I don't know that I could say some of the most inspiring athletes I know started so early like they were wise beyond their years and like you know when you get a 20 something telling me that he's decided he's going to take cold showers for the next two years because he wants to understand and live in his out of his comfort zone a 20 year old you know know, like, you don't,

you don't, you don't train that. But nevertheless, I think there are people and I'm sure you'd know this as well as I do, who come to you for help. And they're just past the peak of their maybe their natural talent, but they're gonna they're getting crafty and wily and they're using their mind to its best ability, they can extend their career and become really good simply because they're wise enough to understand how to make that happen. Absolutely. Excellent. Well, I have a couple of statements I'd love for you to finish. So we're going to start with this one. KP, at the heart of mastering the mental game, it is important to blank. The heart of mastering the mental game. I come back to the idea of, it's about the ability to be in the moment and radically accept what's on offer so you can move through that moment the best you can. I was going to say

something about trust, and then I pivoted right in the middle of it. So it really is, I think, our ability to be, to master our own mental destiny is this awareness of what's right happening right here, the ability to focus on it, and the ability to quickly accept and know what you need to do with that moment to the best of your ability. Cool. And I like what you said about mastering our mental destiny. I don't know where that came from. I was like, that's really cool. Tell us what that means. Oh my God. You know, I think it's, it's, you can't be better than you are, but you can be all that you are. And that's kind of what I, you know, that sounded so cheesy.

Hey, I liked it. What about this ability of being in the present? Obviously it's something that you can train. We know that in terms of research in performance psychology, but what do you think is the best way to train your ability to stay in the present moment? Or how do you approach that with an athlete or a team you're working with? Well, it's, it's, it's kind of what it's like physical training in that you, you can do a lot or a little. But if you do more, and you're smart about it, you can get,

I think you can get to where you want to go faster. But so so this idea, there's like a deep end of the pool with regard to how much you practice and a shallower end of the pool where I think we can simply remind ourselves to be aware throughout the day more often, you know, and do activities in a mindful way. So you're practicing it not necessarily while living your life. So brushing your teeth, eating a meal, driving. Wouldn't that be what a lovely idea? Let's be mindful while we your life. So brushing your teeth, eating a meal, driving. Wouldn't that be, what a lovely idea. Let's be mindful while we're driving.

But I think that some dedicated practice each day helps deepen our ability to be aware and just teaches us by sitting, say, and actually engaging in a meditation practice. You just start to become friends with your mind. Because you're not allowing activities to distract you from it, and you're just sitting with it, which sounds so damn simple, but far from easy. And I think that regular daily practice is the way to go and there's a million ways to go about doing that there's all sorts of apps you can do it on your own you can do it with a teacher

but it is the doing in the same way that we would say let's go to physical train every day I will say that I find athletes will say to me well well, I tried meditation and I suck at it. So therefore, I won't do it anymore. But then you using the analogy of physical training, you know, you have bad days in training, but it doesn't ever stop, you know, you don't go, well, that was a sucky day at physical training, I'm just going to not do it anymore. So we need to treat our mental training, the very same way we would treat our physical training. Awesome. To me, that means like not taking a day off of mental training and making sure that we're really using this to our full potential. Yeah. Like it's prep. It's because it's a

practice and the practice isn't to become a better meditator, you know, any more than going to the gym. Athletes don't go to the gym so they get better at lifting weights. It means to an end for performance. I find it's also a wonderful practice in its own right, but I guess I want to be careful not to make it into something to achieve. It's developing my awareness and my sense of being, which underpins any decision that we're going to make or any way that we cope with pressure or uncertainty or whatever it is

we're dealing with. Excellent. What a great answer. So how about this statement? How would you answer this? If you are getting started on your journey to master the mental game, you should blank. I'm going to go back to what I was talking about earlier, that I think it is finding good resources to help you. And, you know, so I think about performance psychologists as being one of those resources, but don't, you know, like stand on the shoulders of giants, go to people who have done it to find out how to do it. And what's based in science, like I find in sport in particular, like we talk a lot about mental toughness and there's ways in which you develop that. And where I think there is

absolutely a place to learn how to be disciplined and have help in your mind can help you do that and where I think there is absolutely a place to learn how to be disciplined and have help in your mind can help you do that. I think we, it's easy to glom on to ideas about how to develop the mind that actually aren't very helpful. And so you want to be like, where do I go? What's the science say? We know so much more about how to work with the mind than we did even 10 years ago, that you want to make sure that whatever approach you take is evidence-based. KP, what I really appreciated what you just said was this idea of like evidence-based and making sure that you're using evidence to make good decisions in terms of as a practitioner, but also as a performer.

Tell us a bit about why you think that's really important. Because I think we can inadvertently go the wrong way. Like you can take a journey to decide how you want to develop your mind. But if you don't know where you're going and why you're doing it, then you might end up in a place you don't want to be in. But I think, and I think there's a lot, unfortunately, we're just not as well regulated a field as we could be in this area of sort of mental improvement. There's all sorts of things out there. You just want to be careful. And I, you know, so I would be looking for experts to guide you in a way that gets you and you want to be efficient. You want to

get, get to where you want to go as quickly as possible and learn good habits as opposed to learning bad habits that take you down a rabbit hole and make your journey to mental mastery that much longer. Excellent. So tell us a little bit about the summit that you have coming up, Thriving in Uncertainty, Insights from Elite Performance Psychologists. I'm so excited to listen to the summit and be a part of the summit. So, and I'm just impressed and grateful that you're doing this just because I think it's going to help so many people. So give us a little insight on what led you to start this summit. Well, you.

Well, it was like you seeing what you were doing came at this moment in time for me where the pandemic had hit and we're all in lockdown. And I was, so I didn't have as much business as, you know, we all kind of lost business as well. So you just kind of think, how can I do good in the world right now? And as it happens, I was eligible for welfare from Australia, which they actually, and so I spent my first two welfare checks on an event management company. That's awesome. Well, it's like, what else am I going to do? You're testing yourself and others by doing that. But it was like, I also realized that I think psychology,

performance psychology is kind of a well-kept secret, you know, because of the confidentiality issue. We're often unable to really speak clearly on what we do. And I know in sport, sometimes there's some misconceptions that, you know, we hypnotize people or it's only for people who are crazy. And I think there's such a group, we have a group of people, a profession that could do good in this time. And if we need some good happening to us as a population as a world this would be the time and I also when I worked at the AIS I did a lot of networking that was

part of my role and I realized that I missed these people too because now on my own I and so a real side benefit to organizing this was I got to catch up with lots of old friends which was awesome in itself and meet new ones like you. So it's for people who might be looking for tools. And it's to help demystify how performance psychologists work with people and what they teach them. And maybe just different little tips. Everybody's going to have a slightly different take on it um and i think that that was kind of where it where it landed that i thought there's a there's a lot of wisdom out there that we could package up in a way that might be accessible for you know athletes and coaches

um performers of other stripes so we have people from music and military coming to talk a little bit on their take on things. And then just professionals across different walks of life. So it's a pretty broad, I'm probably not being very commercially smart in that way, but I think because I think there's commonalities in understanding how our minds, we can work better with our minds through uncertainty and change that really are applicable to the human race, frankly, you know, and that we could get better at being in the moment, you know, and managing ourselves in when the world around us is so chaotic. So I want to ask you a question that I think you're going to ask me on the summit. And I think really fits

along this line of dealing with uncertainty and even thriving in it. And I think just this idea of that you can thrive in uncertainty is, I think, a mental shift for some people. But when you think about your mind, and you just said something about being you know part being human and and part of the mental condition tell us how your mind either helps or hurts your ability to thrive during change yeah so our our our brain is an organ we could argue about what the mind actually is you know it's our consciousness but it's informed very much by how our brain works. And so our brain, we evolved as a species, not necessarily to be happy, but just to survive, right?

So, which is not good news for those of us who want to be happy. But, and so what, instead what has happened is that our brains have evolved to be exceptional threat assessment machines, right? So you think about how we came through the millennia, it was always the paranoid, you know, threat assessing cave person who out-survived the optimistic happy cave person because that other one would get eaten by the saber-toothed tiger. So the paranoid threat assessing caveman was passing his or her genes down through the generations. So now we're in a situation where our brains have evolved to look around for threat to prepare us so we can protect ourselves, which works when the threats were, you know, kind of concrete and saber-toothed tiger coming to get us.

But the threat of a pandemic isn't something you can really be hypervigilantly prepared for. Uncertainty is an amorphous existential concept that our brains have not prepared ourselves to threat assess wisely for. So we get kind of caught in this loop I see and people really worried about an uncertain future in a way that isn't productive or helpful. It's natural and so where I think we we want to be going is it's teaching the skills because what's happened is we as as we have evolved humans differentiate from other species on the planet through this part of our brains, the prefrontal cortex, which is where we can make decisions and where we

can think about our thinking and to employ that as wisely as possible to help override some of our instinctive mind responses or the way in which the brain gets hijacked to keep us in a hypervigilant worry state. So we need to be able to back away from that. And there's physiological ways in which we can do that. But there's also some of the mental training we've been talking about can also help us move into a state. It doesn't change, you know, it's not going to change our reality, but it changes our orientation to it in a way that frees up energy for the things that matter right now, as opposed to spending so much energy, mental energy on worry about things that the future hasn't even been written yet, if that makes sense.

Absolutely. I appreciate the way that you just described that and exceptional threat machines. That's one thing I heard you say is like, we are threat machines. So we're looking for threat detector machines. Yeah. So like, yeah, right. You know what I mean? So we're always out there looking, you know, you think about when we worry, it's always about the worst case scenario. We ever worry about the best case scenario? No, that wouldn't be worrying. Isn't that true? Yeah, that's where we get stuck. And yet there's an array of possibilities in our future. But we tend to go and just sit in a thought loop around what if, what if, what if.

And all I'm trying to do is help us be a little bit more able to sit in this moment. Because while we're worrying, we're also missing out on what's happening right here. And so if I were worried, and I can't even attend to what you and I are talking about, that's a double loss for me. I'm making myself miserable. And I'm missing out on whether it's an interview with you, or it's an interaction with somebody I love. And I think we can do, you know, maybe it's cheeky to call it thriving. And I think we can do, you know, maybe it's cheeky to call it thriving, but I think we can be a lot more settled and dare I say happier. Yeah. Something about the power of present moment that I think is fascinating. There was a study done by the

Mindfulness Institute and they had 3000 subjects around the world, and they had them wear some kind of device that would ping them at random parts in the day, and people had to report what they were doing, okay, what they were doing, what they were thinking about, and how they were feeling at these random moments. And what they found was a people spent almost 50% of their time, not in the present moment. Wow, I know it's crazy. And the other finding was that emotionally they were at their happiest when they were in the present moment. So it's a really great endorsement in my view for this idea that we need to cultivate this ability to be in the present more often because it, it literally makes us happier. Now they,

I think the only caveat to that was when people were fantasizing about sex, that was more fun than the present moment, apparently. Anyway, I really like trying to, I think people kind of get it, but there is real research to back this idea that the present moment is where we want to be if we're going to increase our chances of thriving. Yeah, excellent. So give us a sense of what strategies that you've used during this time of uncertainty and change in the world. What have you been doing to cope and to stay in the present? Well, I think like planning this summit has been like the best medicine ever. I think it's,

I had a mantra that I dreamed up, this idea of being here, being nice and doing good. And I've blogged about this because I just find these ideas to be really compelling in this time in particular. They've really helped me. So really solidifying my own contemplative practice so that I am able to recognize when I'm more in and out. And then I just, there's something for me around the common humanity piece and just making sure that I'm always leading with niceness as much as I can, because I, and you know, we hear the stories about the pandemic bringing the best and the worst out in people.

And I prefer to sort of edge it more toward the best because the worst is not, you know, what there's no, there's nowhere to go there. And we appreciate that when you're under threat, we do tend to go to our worst. So how do we reduce our personal threats so we can be nicer to people? And then doing good. Yeah. Where can you do it? And recognizing that it's not selfish to feel good about that. Like I'm basking in the friendships with colleagues I've rediscovered and getting positive reactions from people. I hope the event is everything that I'm, it won't be from lack of work, but it has been, you know, I can't overstate.

I vacillate between panic and euphoria about it. But had I not engaged in this thought about what can I do to do good, I would not be any of those things right now. Wow. Yeah. Phenomenal. This is going to be a lot of good. So give us a sense of like the logistics of the summit. And one of the things I really like about it is there's some live parts and then some prerecorded parts. You can listen to it and watch it live. So give us a little sense of where can we find

the details and just some of the logistics for us to go check it out. Yeah. There'll be 20 performance psychologists on offer, all talking to different various aspects of thriving through uncertainty. It's the well, and unfortunately for the US market, this is happening in Australia, Sydney time zone. So which means that we're starting at 830 in the morning on Saturday, the 13th of June running through the end of business business on like 6pm Sunday, the 14th of June. So the translation will be something along the lines of Cinder, you're the first interview of the summit. So for anybody listening and wanna hear Cindra talking about thriving through uncertainty,

she'll be on, I believe, 6 p.m. Central Time. Is that, does that sound right? Yes. Because you'll be on at 9 a.m. our time. So what we've tried to do is front load the first half of our day, which will be the time when more people in the U.S. market

can listen will be actual live interviews so we're going to make time for questions if people have questions of our you know of our interviewees I say our it's you know I'll be the interviewer and then it'll go through the night for you guys so it starts at nine o'clock Sydney time or it's 8 30 Sydney time goes through to 6 p.m. so we have 10 interviews a day half our live half are pre-recorded and I'm also to find out about where where to find out about it my website I mean the company's name is Kirsten Peterson consulting longest title ever so K I are ST and PET ER son consulting calm and there you can find a link to register for the event. So over the course of the live event, it's free.

So you can pop in and out anytime and catch a listen. We'll be putting out a schedule with sort of little teasers on what each person's going to talk about. So if you can only tune in a certain time, you'll know when to access the event. Awesome. And then once the event's over, we will be creating a package that you can buy of the event so that if you missed anything or wanted to re-listen, you could have the event for yourself. Well, what an incredible resource that you're going to provide for people an incredible opportunity to learn more about performance psychology from you know just this wide variety

of experts so I'm giving you a virtual high five right here and telling you I'm really grateful that you're doing this and I know everybody who's going to go check it out I'll put it on the show notes as well for this podcast. So wherever you're listening, you can just scroll down right now and you can click on the link to Kirsten's website and go ahead and register there. It's free to register. So thank you so much for being on the podcast. It's an honor for me to have you here. I think about when you were talking about giants in the field, I'm like, Kirsten is a giant, and I'm interviewing her right now, and also a humble giant, so thank you so much for bringing us. A humble giant. Well, when you were talking about all the people

that you worked with at the US, the first word I thought about was, you know, like Sean McCann and Peter Harbaugh. Like they're just such great, humble people that are so giving and just great leaders in the field as well as you are. So here's some things I got from the podcast. So I'd love to just kind of take a few notes. And then for everybody who wasn't able to take notes, here's a few things that you can write down. I really liked our conversation about failure and the importance of reframing the failure and really learning from it. You said that failure is an event, but many times that our reaction to that can be most difficult. But I like this idea that it's an event.

It's not who we are. We talked about being in the present moment to master your mental destiny. I really like that. I'm never going to live that down. Like examples of how to go about doing that. And then this research study from the Mindfulness Institute, that 50% of the people in the study were actually, or 50% of the time, they weren't in the present moment, but their research shows that you're actually the happiest in the present. So I thought that was incredibly powerful. And I'm just looking forward to checking out the interviews in the summit just

to continue to learn as well. You can check out Kirsten Peterson over at kirstenpetersonconsulting.com. And I know you're on Twitter. Give us your Twitter handle and any other places that we can follow you. I think my Twitter handle is kpetersonphd, I think. Awesome. Awesome. Thank you, KT. Thanks for being on the podcast today. You're welcome. Thank you so much, Sindra. And you keep doing your good work. Way to go for finishing another episode

of the High Performance Mindset. I'm giving you a virtual fist pump. Holy cow, did that go by way too fast for anyone else? If you want more, remember to subscribe and you can head over to Dr. Sindra for show notes and to join my exclusive community for high performers anyone else?