High Performance Mindset | Learn from World-Class Leaders, Consultants, Athletes & Coaches about Mindset - 632: Unleash the Power of the Nervous System for Faster Healing and Optimal Performance with Garrett Salpeter, Founder of NeuFit and The Neubie

Episode Date: July 26, 2024

Are you dealing with any physical pain in your body? Pain from an injury, an accident, an operation, or some type of physical trauma? If so, you're likely wondering if there's a better, faster way to heal. Today, we're going to talk about that better faster way with our guest, Garrett Salpeter. Garrett is a nervous system expert. Using his formal training as an engineer and neuroscientist, Garrett has created a patented device called THE NEUBIE. This amazing invention is used by doctors, therapists, and professional sports teams around the world, including by over 3,100 professionals certified by Garrett and his team at NeuFit. He's the best-selling author of the book The NeuFit Method and host of The Undercurrent Podcast. In this episode, Garrett and Cindra talk about: How the brain’s main purpose is survival and what to do about it, Why it is important to treat the hardware of the body with a method addressing the body’s software, The applications of the nervous system for fitness and long-term health, And, what THE NEUBIE is all about.   LEARN MORE ABOUT DR. CINDRA LEARN MORE ABOUT NEUFIT BUY GARRETT’S BOOK ON AMAZON FOLLOW SIGN UP FOR THE FREE MENTAL BREAKTHROUGH CALL WITH CINDRA’S TEAM TO LEARN MORE ABOUT THE MENTALLY STRONG INSTITUTE Love the show? Rate and review the show to help us reach more and more people. We appreciate you!  

Welcome to episode 632. This is your host, Dr. Cinder Kampoff, and thank you so much for joining me here today where I interview Garrett Salpeter. Thank you so much for joining me. I'm grateful that you're here. And I'm wondering, are you dealing with any physical pain in your body?

Maybe a pain from an injury, an accident, an operation, or maybe some type of physical trauma. If so, you're likely wondering if there's a better, faster way to heal. And today we're going to talk about a better and faster way with our guest Garrett Salpeter. Garrett is a nervous system expert and using his formal training as an engineer and neuroscientist, Garrett has created a patented device called the Nubi. This amazing invention is used by doctors, therapists, and professional sports teams around the world, including by over 3,100

professionals certified by Garrett and his team at NuFit. He is the best-selling author of the book The NuFit Method and the host of the Undercurrent podcast. And in this episode, Garrett and I talk about how the brain's main function and purpose is survival and what to do about it. Why it's important to treat the hardware of the body with a method addressing the software. We talk about applications of the nervous system for fitness and long-term health. And we talk about what the newbie is all about. To see the full show notes and description, you can head over to cindracampoff.com slash 632 for episode 632. And as always, thank you for the ratings and reviews that you provide each and

every week. I love reading those. And if you haven't already done that, please consider leaving us a rating and review. We would be so grateful. All right, without further ado, let's bring on Garrett. Welcome to the High Performance Mindset. Garrett, I'm so excited that you're here today on the podcast. Thank you so much for joining us on the High Performance Mindset. How's your day going? Awesome. Thank you so much for having me, Sindra. I'm really excited to be here. I'm excited to talk to you as well. And for a few reasons, I love your hearing about your story as a hockey player. And I want us to learn more about that and have the audience hear more about it. So to get us started, tell us about your story about you being a college hockey player and how you developed the NuBe. It is a case of, as John Wooden said,

adversity is your asset, which at first seems sort of counterintuitive. And for me, it started really with an injury I had playing hockey. I grew up playing hockey. I played in college, Division III. I wasn't at risk of making the NHL, but I loved it. I identified as a hockey player. I put my heart and soul into it. I learned a lot of wonderful lessons along the way.

But then I had an injury where I was supposed to get surgery to repair some torn ligaments. And I was pretty down about it. And I didn't really think there was a better way because I had previous injuries and my prior experiences with traditional physical therapy, traditional orthopedic rehab were very disenfranchising, were very disappointing. And so I didn't really think that there was a better way. I was very into training and the human body and everything, but I didn't really think that there was a better way. I was very into training and the human body and everything, but I didn't necessarily know. And then through these wonderful set of circumstances, I met a doctor who was doing functional neurology and using older

versions of direct current. And so functional neurology means looking at the, not just the hardware of the body, the ligaments that were torn or the bones or the muscles, but looking at the software, looking at the nervous system, looking at the brain, the spinal cord, the nerves, the signals they're sending to control the muscles and also the autonomic nervous system, whether we're more sympathetic or parasympathetic, which we can talk about, but that influences how effectively the body can heal. And so, you know, we worked on the nervous system. That was my first real exposure to the nervous

system and what it is and why it's important. And then he also used, at the time it was an older analog device with a bunch of dials on and stuff like that, but more like a microcurrent, a type of direct current. And I saw firsthand what this approach could do. I was able to literally heal my ligaments without surgery. I was back on the ice in three weeks instead of three months. And really, it was wonderful as an athlete. I was bummed about the prospect of having a surgery and missing that much science. It was really cool. But as a physics major, as a pre-engineering student, to find something that actually made sense scientifically from first principles.

That's what really got me excited. And that's what really sort of launched me on this. So this was now 18, 19 years ago from the time we're having this conversation. And that really launched me on this journey where I ended up, I came to graduate school for engineering in Austin, Texas. And while I was here, I met a guy who was the chiropractor for the UT Longhorns football team, started working out of his practice using older versions of electrical stimulation. I just wanted to grow that and sort of share that work. And I went back to graduate school in neuroscience and eventually decided that I was waiting for someone else to come out with something better and bring the technology into the present or into the future. And finally, through all set of circumstances, just said, you know what, I'm going to do it myself. Yeah, that's so amazing. I think what's

really cool about that is just hearing your story of finding your calling and your purpose, and that it came from a struggle that you had and an aha moment that you had while experiencing an injury. And sometimes when we're going through something really tough, it's hard to see that maybe there can be something good that comes from it, right? But now it's, wow, your whole career and your business is around this idea of helping others because of you and your injury. Yeah, absolutely. And that is, I mean, so many entrepreneurial origin stories are like that, where people experience some sort of problem, want to solve something that really, you know, them personally. And I think that's a great way to frame it up.

And I'm glad you called that out because that's definitely a part of it. And it's that the experiences I had in traditional physical therapy, I think it's worth even emphasizing just how disappointed they were. I felt almost, I said, disenfranchised, disempowered. I didn't necessarily know what the words were at the time, but I felt like as humans, we have this much greater ability to heal, to adapt, to overcome adversity, to restore and heal ourselves after trauma and all of these things that, again, I didn't know how to describe at the time, but I felt like we have this power inside of us and that it was almost completely ignored by the traditional PT, orthopedic people that

I interacted with in the past. And so when I had this sort of breakthrough experience, that's another part of why it was so cool is that it sort of connected the dots where for me, I at one point thought about going pre-med, but I was just so disappointed with the traditional paradigm that it was just in that context, too. This was even more kind of profound and even more significant. Yeah, I love that. And I would say, you know, for people who are listening, I'm hopeful they're thinking about themselves.

Like, what do they see as disappointing or frustrating? What obstacles are they experiencing? And how could you move towards that? Because perhaps just by using that and experiencing that, that means, you know, you could develop the next X product or new method, right? So I love hearing that story. And so the philosophy is the new fit method. And you have your book here, which I've been reading, which is incredible. And then what you've developed to address this is the newbie and the newbie stands for neuro bio electric. And so I really liked hearing the stories, your origin story of developing the newbie

and then the impact it can make. So maybe just to start us off, tell us what you think, like, what is the new fit method? And just tell us a little bit about that, just so we can understand what you've developed here. Yeah, absolutely. So in order to understand, you know, what we're doing, it's just going to, we're going to carry forward some of the themes I talked about with my experience and looking at the software and the neurological response to injury, you know, instead of just the hardware. So many people, when they're trying to help, you know, others help their patients recover from pain and injury, are so focused on the hardware, on the tissue that's torn or broken or sprained or damaged, you know, the bones, the muscles,

the tendons, the ligaments, et cetera. And while that's important, we've seen that the biggest breakthroughs often come from shifting our focus to the software, to the nervous system. Now, why would that be? Well, there's one reason is that a lot of times, just generally speaking in life, it's not as much about what happens to us as it is about how we respond to it. And so this neurological response to injury is one example of that profound principle. And so if you response to injury is one example of that profound principle. And so if you have an injury to your shoulder, for example, and this is something we've seen many times, if you have an AC joint ligament injury and you can't lift your arm up very far,

why is that? Well, most people think, oh, it's the ligament. The ligament needs to heal. Well, we've seen many times where we can actually take the newbie device, scan around on the body and find that neurological response, find where the nervous system as a response to the injury and trauma is actually causing some muscles to shut down. So they turn off as a signal to stop the body from moving, right? Because it's thinking, oh my gosh, we're damaged, we're injured, we don't want to move and hurt anything worse. And there's some good in that, but it actually in many cases is an overreaction. And in many cases, slows down, stands in the way of the healing process. So part of that nervous system response is they're going to be shutting down some muscles to create weakness. Some of it's going to be

chronically tightening and bracing other muscles to create tightness. And then some of it's going to be pain. It's this triad, pain and weakness and tightness, this protective response. And there's many times where you literally worked with people who for five or six days haven't made much progress in moving their shoulder. And then in one session, we scan around, map their body, find where these nervous system patterns are being imposed. And then in a few minutes, all of a sudden they have full range of motion. And that sort of thing happens. I was like, what the heck did we just do here? And the answer is that the issue, the limitation wasn't actually the damaged tissue. Although there might be some tissue damage and it needs to heal, we need to respect that.

The real reason that the person was stuck in that state of pain and the real reason it was taking so long to recover is because of that neurological response. And we were able to help that software essentially recalibrate. It's almost like running debugging on a software program. And so there are cases, just to sort of, if someone's listening to this and thinking, well, do you want to override these protective mechanisms? Aren't they there for a reason? And the answer is yes. And we're not just overriding them. What we're doing is providing an opportunity for the nervous system, for the brain to recalibrate, to protect at the appropriate level. So the protective mechanisms don't just go away. But what happens here is that they're oftentimes set at these

over-conservative levels, and we can help reset that to lead to these breakthroughs. So powerful. And again, I'm just looking at your journey and thinking about why you developed this, right? Because you needed it when you were growing up. And I really enjoyed in the book when you were talking about kind of the brain's main purpose is survival, right? And you showed an example of a baseball game where I think if I remember correctly, the ball was hit out into the yes to the outfield and everyone was protecting their face. Right. And you could see the you know, everyone's just innate nature to protect themselves when the ball was hit into the stands.

And so, you know, how does our brains, you know, being wired for survival, how do you think that impacts healing and injury? And then how does the newbie support that? This is a fascinating topic. And it's really counterintuitive, at least for me, it was initially for many others, it likely will be too. But if you're listening to this, you may think that your, you know, your brain wants you to do all the things that're listening to this, you may think that your brain wants you to do all the things that you want to do. If you want to be able to work out more or have more energy, work for longer or have more time to play and do activities, whatever it is you want to do, you might think that your brain's interests are aligned with yours. And in reality,

from the perspective of neurobiology, it's the opposite you know your brain its number one job is to make sure that you live to see tomorrow and so one way that it will do that is to make sure that you don't expend too much energy because there could be a famine tomorrow right our brains evolved during times of food scarcity you know they're not yet adapted to this food environment in which we live now so So our brains want us to actually spend less energy. And then also they don't want us to stretch too far or lift too much weight or move too fast in case we could hurt ourselves. And so a lot of what our brains and nervous systems do is actually limit us.

And that's part of, you know, tapping into this line of thinking here, you know, is how we talk about rehab and how those protective tendencies, those protective patterns get imposed at too great of a level. And that's part of what slows down the process and stuff like that. There's also another part of this that is very interesting. You just mentioned that stereotypical, imagine you were sitting in the stands at a baseball game and a foul ball comes flying towards you. And you might do, I don't know if people are just listening, you won't see me, but I'm just pulling my arms in front of my face. I'm using the hard

bones of my arms to protect the more vulnerable parts of my face, my chest, my abdomen, kind of curling up, bringing the harder parts in front of the more vulnerable parts. And that is a hardwired in stereotypical protective reflex. And there's another interesting aside there, if I may take us on a slight detour, but sometimes we might even have a similar response. If we feel like the world is overwhelming us psychologically, even if something isn't physically coming at us, we'll actually adopt a little bit of that same withdrawal or flexion reflexive protective pattern and actually get more tension in the diaphragm and the abdomen and the flexor muscles of the chest, like we're pulling things inward. And so sometimes we can actually have those same muscular patterns, which is a

whole interesting thing. And then we get into physiological psychology and how that not only does our brain want to put us into that pattern to protect us initially, but then if our body gets into the habit of being in that pattern, our brain might not actually be the initiator. Our brain then might say, oh, hey, we're fine today. And then it starts paying attention to the inputs from the body and say, oh, wait, the body's protecting. Maybe we do need to protect. And so it can actually be this two-way street that reinforces these sort of stress patterns. So there's all these fascinating ways that we can have issues around stress and how these protective patterns can hold us back performance wise, but also in terms of life and create senses of fear and anxiety that actually affect our

psychology and emotions too. So it's a two-way street. Sorry, I took a little bit of a detour there, but this whole topic is fascinating. Yeah, it is fascinating how our mind is so connected to our body, right? And I love the book, The Body Keeps the Score. And it's all about what you hold into your body and the stress that you hold into your body. And many times like the trauma we hold into our bodies, right? So one of the stories that you talked about in the book, I think it's on page 43. You talked about, this is an example, the Whitney Jones, who we both know, who is Miss Fitness Olympia and how she tore her rotator cuff and how like this torn rotator cuff, how the newbie helped her. Tell us a bit about just her example and maybe

another example that you can think of so people can understand this different way of healing than maybe they have thought of before and how it might relate to them. Yeah, for sure. So Whitney Jones is the two or three times champion in the Miss Fitness Olympia. So that's an event that combines bodybuilding with athleticism. So she does these gymnastics-like routines and also bodybuilding posing. It's a very cool event, a lot of athleticism. She's a very wonderful high-level athlete and an amazing person also. In preparation for this Fitness Olympia up more than, say, 30 degrees because of the pain. And she worked with a practitioner who was using the newbie in her clinic in the Phoenix area. And she talked about how, you know, she could do it. And in one session, she got back a lot of range of motion.

And doing that actually allowed her. She did have some tissue damage, but using the newbie there to just help activate all the other muscles, get as much supporting, you know, the supporting cast, get as much of the muscles working around her shoulder as she could, allowed her to get through all of her routine, practicing her routine, all those sessions, and be able to go out and compete and win Miss Fitness Olympia. So it was very cool. And she, you know, she talks about how she literally, even without the newbie, couldn't even move her arm, let alone go out and compete and all these things there. So it's a great story. There's another one in there that I think kicks off probably chapter one, actually, is a guy, this is a true story, one guy, but it's also a story we've seen dozens, perhaps hundreds of times personally, and then throughout our network, perhaps thousands. But if you've ever had, if you're listening to this, you ever had the experience of throwing your back at it. You bend down, maybe pick up something seemingly harmless, pick up an N or something, and you have that jolt of, oh, my God. And then you're stuck,

can't really move. And there, the mechanism is really fascinating to think about it because oftentimes there's a little bit of like a grazing or a little bit of an irritation to either the spinal cord or one of the nerve roots, the nerve as it exits the spinal cord to go out to the legs. And that actually isn't so bad. But what happens is in response to that, the brain and the nervous system say, oh my God, alarm, alarm, alarm. It's a five degree fire or whatever the term is, right? It's this terrible, terrible thing. And so it actually reacts and creates these massive spasms to lock you down, to make sure you don't move an inch and you don't irritate any further those very important tissues of your spinal cord or nerves, right? Because those are vitally important. So we want to protect those.

So there, when you have that quote unquote throw your back out episode, it's not really not really throwing it out, but it's this spasm without the issue, the searing pain, the inability to move, that actually is the body's response. It's an extreme, extreme, extreme version of spasm and locking down to protect

and the hypersensitivity that leads to pain. And so we've had many examples now where we've seen, you know, in cases like that, you know, if there is a herniated disc and there's active impingement on the spinal cord, you know, those are going to take longer. But we see this so often where people are in this state, we go through that process, we scan around, find where the nervous system is imposing those patterns. And literally, you know, in a session, they'll go from a 10 out of 10 pain to a two, and they're able to walk, you know, they might take them a minute to walk across the room, another minute to get on a treatment table. Then they're walking or jogging around comfortably, you know, with a pain of zero

to two out of 10. And those are just, those are amazing because those episodes can really suck and take a long time to recover from normally. And so being able to help people in that acute, desperate state, those are really wonderful experiences. Yeah. And I think about the psychological impact of injury, you know, and that's what I work on is helping athletes or people like we can, you know, there's some research to show that we go through the death and dying process, like the Kubler-Ross model, where there's some denial and depression before we get to acceptance when we experience an injury. And it can be so devastating for elite athletes, or even just, you know, you and me, where we throw our back out and we're active people. So I appreciate everything that you're sharing with us.

Garrett, I'm wondering about the different types of people who might be interested in this. And, you know, we've talked a little bit about, you know, avoiding surgery or athletic injuries. I know it also helps with chronic pain or MS, things like that. Just tell us a little bit about for people who are listening, you know, who would this be really for? There's definitely all the people that, you know, types of people that you mentioned. So, you know, if you're listening to this and you

either, you know, have experienced an injury, you know, a sports injury or surgery, or you're in chronic pain, you know, the nervous system is so relevant to that. And even if you have tissue damage, it's very important that you address the software and this can be very helpful. If you happen to fall into that other category, you know, have a neurodegenerative condition like MS, neuropathy, something like that, this can be helpful as well. So, you know, it's essentially anytime the nervous system is relevant, which yes, sounds overly broad, but it is relevant in these different conditions and circumstances there. Also, traumatic neurological injuries, spinal cord injury, brain injury, using this technology can help accelerate the process of what's called neuromuscular re-education, re-educating the

nervous system to start work more effectively again. So that sort of thing. And then there's also applications. We have a lot of people. So we have one clinic here in Austin and then several hundreds around the United States that are using this technology now. And so we often see people go through a plan of care, physical therapy, rehab with us, and they are feeling good, but they've experienced the newbie and they want to continue on. And they'll actually stay and use it for training, sometimes for months or years. And we can use it then also for training because remember, the nervous system is relevant. If you think about why we lift weights in the first place,

we want to build muscle for the metabolic benefits, for the aesthetic benefits, for how it helps us age gracefully and counteract a lot of the negative effects associated with aging, right? So there's all these things. But if you think about what's happening, if you just curl your arm normally, that's X amount of muscle activation in the bicep muscle, for example. Then if you add a weight in your hand, all of a sudden, that 30-pound your, your bicep is having to work at X plus in order to, in order to lift that. So what you're really doing is you're using the weight as a, as a intermediary, as a mechanism to get you to recruit more muscle, to activate more of the muscle that you already have there,

activate more, send more nervous system signal, literally. And so what we can do is we can actually put the, the signal of the newbie on those same muscles and use that to basically create like digital weight or create the effect, the same effect. So you can be getting as much nervous system activation of your muscles as if you're lifting weights, but you can do it in a way where you're not having to lift weights that are as heavy and risk injury or re-injury, especially if you're trying to come back from a recent injury or things like that. Or there's different circumstances where that can be safer. It can be more time efficient, perhaps more effective because you can get precision in terms of activating certain muscles. So there's all sorts of different applications here, but the underlying mechanism

has to do with the nervous system and the software and how it interacts with all those different circumstances. Hi, this is Cyndra Campoff, and thanks for listening to the High Performance Mindset. Did you know that the ideas we share in the show are things we actually specialize in implementing? If you want to become mentally stronger, lead your team more effectively and get to your goals quicker. Visit freementalbreakthroughcall.com to sign up for your free mental breakthrough call with one of our certified coaches. Again, that's freementalbreakthroughcall.com to sign up for your free call. Talk to you soon. I'm curious, you know, when did you actually decide to start the NuoFit method? And then what is the process been to developing the product and then getting it patented? Uh, so I had this, you know, I mentioned I had come to Austin for graduate school in engineering, but this calling to do this type of work was just so strong. I ended up doing this. And initially I thought it was sort of on the side. It just fell in love with it. And so I had this seven or eight year time that I call my laboratory period where I put in my 10,000 hours. I was working, I was actually working with clients. I'm not a clinician, but I was working under the supervision of them and it was functioning as if I was a clinician for that period of time. And I just kept seeing ways that I thought the technology could be improved because I do have

that engineering background. And then I also really loved what we're able to do by applying these principles of neuroscience and functional neurology and working on the software and leading to these breakthroughs that we've been talking about here. And so actually during that period of time, I went back to school for a neuroscience graduate program. And during the seven or eight year period, just kept thinking like, you know what, I want someone else to come out with something better technology wise that I could use that to open up some more clinics around Austin, and that would be amazing. And then I had actually an interesting story. I'll just

share with you a little interesting story where I was in the clinic working with people, and I had a guy come in who is a patent attorney. And he came in on a Monday because he said, my knee hurts. I'm going to withdraw from this marathon I was going to run next weekend. And I worked with him on Monday. I worked with him on Wednesday. He felt so good. He did run that marathon that we ended up talking, started talking that next week. And I shared with him my, you know, it was limited understanding, but what I knew about, you know, the state of the art and what are some of the ideas I had for how to improve things. And he said, you know, you probably could get a patent on that. And that was one of the ideas I had for how to improve things? And he said, you know, you probably could get a patent on that. And that was one of the first light bulbs of like, hey, maybe I would

consider doing something like this for myself. That was sort of a cool story. And then I had another client actually who owns some commercial buildings around Austin. And he said, if you ever wanted to create something like this, I have a tenant in one of my office buildings. That's this amazing prototype engineering firm. And I was like, Oh, there's another light bulb. It's fun. Very cool. And so, you know, finally decided to do it. And then, you know, it was, it was a bootstrapping effort for sure to get it across, you know, ended up taking some convert-clienting, you know, friends and family convertible no-clienting. People don't know what that means. You know, people give us some money to help launch it.

And then it can either, you know, we can either pay it back over time or it could be converted into, you know, ownership of the business at some point, stuff like that. But, you know, tried to bootstrap it, not take on, you know, take on as little money as we could and run it as lean as we could. And there's pros and cons to doing that. Some people raise a bunch of money and perhaps you grow faster. This is the way we've chosen pros and cons both ways. But to see it grow in the last... So we've had the device out now between six and seven years. And it's been so cool. I mean, just to see people duplicating those same types of results that we were getting in our one clinic in Austin, to see them doing this as far as Minnesota and New York and Washington State and Florida. I mean, that's so cool. And the people that we've been able to connect with and everything, to see the impact that it's making is so wonderful. And I think we're really motivated now to lead this movement and to help create a change in the rehab world, to get more people thinking nervous system first, to emphasize the software more, to really change the paradigm. And it's interesting, there's a lot of people who actually agree with that messaging and they think

that's great, but then they don't necessarily have the tool to be able to implement. They have the concept. They think it's cool, but then to be able to have the tool to actually use it is really powerful and wonderful too. So we've gotten at this point a little over 3,100 clinicians trained up, whether it's people in private practice, physical therapy, or, you know, the athletic trainers who work with pro sports teams, a lot of NFL teams, major league baseball teams, you know, other leagues are to are using them. So, you know, it's a, it's a range of different types of people using it, but it's so cool to see that. And then,

you know, I know you're, you're very into the, the mindset and coaching. And so I, you know, I sort of like this metaphor that based on, I think you'll probably, like, I probably even got this from you, actually, but the metaphor of, I liken our process here to sort of like we're climbing up Mount Everest, you know, and it's a long way up. And so we've made it partway up. And it's at this, you know, at one moment in time, we can literally, we can look down and appreciate the view and say, wow, we've come a long way. And in the same moment, we can look up and say, and we have a long way to go.

You know, it's sort of in that place. Yeah, you're right. And it makes me think of the books, The Gap and the Gain by Dan Sullivan that, you know, you have to celebrate the gain, like, look how far this has come. And just from this one idea to six, six one idea to six, seven years later, you mentioned impacting thousands of people and leading a movement. How amazing is that? Yeah. And it came from two of your clients and just listening to the messages of the people around you and taking advantage of people's, what they said to you,

because you could have just ignored that. That's right. That's right. And it's one of those, there's this saying of, it takes 10 years to become an overnight success or something like that. For me, at the time we're sitting here today has been, I mentioned the initial, you know, my initial experience with this type of approach as an athlete was 18, 19 years ago. I've been doing this work in one form or fashion, you know, for about 16 years. So, you know, whether you call me a success yet or not is irrelevant, but, you know, to, to achieve a certain level, you know, it's, it does take a long time, but it's, you know, it also, you know,, but it doesn't necessarily feel hard either because it's a true calling and passion. There's days, there's parts of it where it does feel like it requires some stamina and stuff like that. But if you asked me if I'd sign up to do it all over again, I'd say, heck yes, in a heartbeat.

Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, that's passion and purpose. And I mentioned to you, Garrett, when I heard you speak, I immediately went to the phone and because there's a locator on your website, so you could find, you know, places that have the newbie because my son is a quarterback and has been having some, well, we think it's little league shoulder where we just got an x-ray yesterday, but just having some tension and inflammation in his shoulder because, you know, quarterbacks, they throw a lot and he's growing. And so it's inflammation in his growth plate there. And I thought, oh gosh, this has to be something that can help him because it has been

a little frustrating as we've been just getting advice on it that it's, you know, I'd like progress quicker for him. Yes, I would like that for you, too. I know, you know, I know we got to talk a little bit. But with that, there's sort of two parts to it. One is there is a little bit of, you know, if it is that little league shoulder, there's some swelling in the humerus bone, you know, in the upper arm bone, that's the ball of the ball and socket joint that makes up the shoulder. So if there's some swelling there, that has to clear out. And there's, you know, there's things we'd want to do

and the direct current, you know, we haven't talked really about the technology, but the direct current of the newbie, you know, can possibly help with that, certainly increasing blood flow, supporting the healing process. So there's two parts. You want to make sure that we want to first recognize that's the downstream consequence of what's happening. So we want to make sure that heals, yes. We also, at the same time, we want to look upstream and figure out why was he vulnerable? I mean, some people might say it's just how he threw a lot of pitches or he threw a lot of passes with the football, but there's other athletes that throw the same amount and don't have that injury. So it's not just that it's okay. What was off? Even

if it was just slightly off mechanically, what's off in how he's moving, how his muscles are coordinated and working and supporting his shoulder or not supporting his shoulder. What's off that's allowing him. And even if it's slight, it could be something that compounds over hundreds and hundreds and thousands and thousands of throws, but figuring out, you know, where is the, you know, these, like we talked about these neurological responses that happen with response to injury or trauma, you know, they could be same things. He could have these micro traumas, you know, He gets hit on the football field, he has little minor irritations and creates these subtle micro movements around those limitations and those could become ingrained, become habits, and they can linger even after

that original injury is healed. They become those habit patterns. And so even if it's something that is not a fresh injury, even if it's something that's months or years old, that same process of mapping the body and identify where those nervous system patterns are at all, dysfunctional, the guarding, the weakness, the pain, et cetera, finding those, I think, could be helpful for him. So I know we'll chat offline here about figuring out a way to work together. But as you mentioned, yes, there is a locator on our website where people can find clinics near them. There was one, I guess it was an hour and a half away, but they weren't on there. So I'll have to check with our team for why they weren't done. I guess there's some that aren't always on there for whatever reason. I

don't know why. Well, we'll figure it out. And as people are listening to us, I want also to provide some resources for them. So obviously if you're an athletic trainer, you're a physical therapist, if you're a clinician, tell us a bit about how people can reach out to you. But let's say you're a parent like I am, or maybe you're experiencing some kind of chronic pain or an injury or MS like we've talked about, how could people learn more about how they can find a new bee next near them? And I know people can purchase one. Tell us a little bit about that. What are the options? Absolutely happy to do that. So if you are a clinician listening to this and you're working with patients, I would certainly encourage you if this is at all interesting to reach out to our team. Our website is www.new.fit, N-E-U, like neurological,

dot F-I-T. And you can also email us at hello at new.fit and connect with our team. We have several clinicians on our team that can talk with you about how they've applied it, how others are applying it, talk about some of the details. Of course, we'd want to learn more about your business and talk about how it can, if you're working with more of a sports medicine population versus more of a neurological population, whatever it might be. Or if you're trying to use it yourself or have more junior staff trained up. We have a full continuing education certified program for physical therapy, for chiropractic, for athletic training. So there's a lot, there's, you know, it's both the technology and also the methodology. So there's a lot of education around it as well. And that's

something that we hear very positive responses from, from a variety of clinicians. So that's definitely an option. If you are then different category, if you are a patient, listen, you know, prospective patient, you're interested in using it yourself or with a loved one, on the website, that same website, www.new.fit, there's a link there. You can click on for patients, and then there's a locator map where you can look at the map on a computer or on your phone. You can do a pull down menu and select the state that you're in and look at what locations there are that are using this technology. If there isn't anyone near you, or if you're in a situation where it actually makes more sense to have a device at home, we have options where you could rent or purchase one. You would need a prescription in order to do it. But then we have a team of our own physical therapists or occupational

therapists that could work with you to create a custom program, implement it, guide you step by step through how to do it. So that's an option. But seeing someone in person, of course, is great if there is someone nearby. And if not, you can always mention it to your physical therapist. They can listen to Sindra's podcast here. Exactly. Send them the link, tell them to listen and pick up the NuFit method, Un the power of the nervous system for faster healing and optimal performance. And you can see the newbie right behind Garrett, if you're watching on YouTube, but it's right there. Garrett, what have I not asked you about your journey or about your methodology that might be helpful for listeners?

Well, I know you work with a lot of ambitious executives in coaching, and I am fascinated by your work and excited to have you on my podcast also. But one thing about my journey, which I appreciate the chance to sort of talk about some other aspects of things here. One thing about it, when I reflect back, that really stands out is this notion of I've really had to at least twice change my identity, literally. And that's been hard. It's sort of like a snake shedding its skin so it can grow bigger, stuff like that. But initially, I got so much of my sense of self-worth and self-satisfaction, self-esteem from actually being in the clinic, working with patients and clients hands-on, creating these wild moments for people, establishing those relationships. That gave me so much joy. And eventually, I got to the point where I realized

also with the help of coaches and teammates, colleagues, mentors, I got to the point where I realized also with the help of coaches and teammates, colleagues, mentors, got to the point of understanding like, okay, look, I'm in here working with one person that's hindering my ability to create and lead a team that can in turn touch tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of people. But that was really hard for me to make that transition. And then again, in business, make the transition from after getting out of the clinic and working more on this technology side of our business, then transitioning from doing various things to actually establishing a leadership team, which has been a really cool development in the last year or two where there's a little difficulty for me to let go and let them take on various things. But now they have ownership of whether it's sales or operations or clinical affairs and research. They really own that. And of course, I work directly with them. I support them and we do things together. And there's still a few things that I'm responsible for, but that evolution has been a fascinating one.

I just see business as one of the top avenues really for personal growth or perhaps even spiritual growth because a lot of these things really I find that sometimes the biggest limiting factor is me as a person and it's opportunities and requirements for me to grow in order for the business to grow. Yeah. And thank you for so much for saying that and sharing that because I know people can relate to it. And I think about that you're having to step into more of this visionary role instead of the person that's working in the business. You know, you're working on it and you're building it that way. But people have a hard time letting go, letting go of control, right? Or letting go of things that really, like what you said, that gave you a lot of energy

working with somebody one-on-one. How have you shed that identity? And then, you know, what advice could you give people who are in a similar transition? Because it can be really difficult to say no to some things that you said yes to before. It is tough. I mean, I'm trying to reflect back and see if there's any advice that necessarily would have been helpful for me or what actually did sort of help me get over that hump of indecision and really make that transition. And I don't know that there were any specific words. I did finally come to the understanding and the belief that, okay, look,

if I want to grow this business, this is where I have to spend the majority of my time and I can't do this anymore. And it's just time to have the courage to do what I know deep inside of my soul is the right thing to do. And I think it's just having the courage. And there's times where I know I've made decisions that I doubted or I didn't necessarily have that level of conviction of because it was expedient, because it was easy, and I didn't have the courage to do the more difficult thing in the moment that would have made it better long term. So I think that's sort of, you know, trying to really listen. I think a lot of times we know

the answer. It's just, you know, having the courage to do it is sort of the limiting factor. Yeah, I love that. What advice would you give people who have a big idea or a big goal like you did? And what advice would you give them in terms of how to do that, how to move forward, how to not let fear get in their way and how to not let their own kind of self-talk and self-doubt get in their way of not doing what they know they want to do or are called to do? That's a great question. It's sort of interesting. I'm not trying to dodge the question, but I do reframe it a little bit in my mind because I think a lot of people look at invention or entrepreneurial journeys, creating a product or a new business as sort of like, wow, they're taking so much risk.

Yeah. And that's objectively true. But my experience, my subjective experience is, I know this is so good. I know it's going to work. And it doesn't feel risky, which maybe there's something psychologically wrong with me, right? I don't think so. But it's so fascinating how, to me, why the thing that's objectively risky didn't actually feel as risky as it was. And so for me, it wasn't necessarily as much about, I don't know, maybe I'm looking back with rose-colored glasses too, but I don't know that it was necessarily so much about overcoming fear of failure or fear that it wouldn't work. Maybe some of it was identity of fear of, am I actually worthy of leading a business? For me, that was one of the biggest things.

Will people actually work with me or work for this business? You know, that was sort of some of it. And then that's just something that I've, you know, as I've seen enough examples now where, you know, wonderful people are working with us. And, you know, now, so now I just know that there's got to be more that would, right? If we have all these, you know, all these 25 or 30 people, you know, there's not just that like they're just that weird or something, right?

Yeah. Yeah. I think you just sort of take small steps and you gain confidence. And once you've shown yourself that you can do it, then you can take the next step. And I guess sort of doing it one step at a time, I think is perhaps the best advice. But I don't know if, you know, I hope I'm answering the question. Well, I think is perhaps the best advice. But I don't know if, you know, I hope

I'm answering the question. Well, I think you are answering the question. And a couple of things I can think of is that you had evidence to back up that this was going to work, right? For the patients that you had worked with and the results that you saw. So it's really easy to, you know, believe in something that you saw work. But I also think about it was your interpretation of, you know, energy and anxiety feels the same in our bodies. It's more about how we interpret it. And that's what I just heard you say is that, you know, it doesn't feel like risk because you're so passionate and you believe in the product and you believe that it's going to help people. And I think that's advice that we can share with people. It's like product and you believe that it's going to help people. And I think that's advice

that we can share with people. It's like, if you believe in your idea or your product and you know it's going to work and the results are going to be there, right? Like that's what you should hone in on instead of the fear that can get in your way and the self-doubt that just are lies. Yeah. Very, very well said. Far more eloquently said. And I would agree with that. If the belief in what you're doing is great enough, that will give you the power to overcome a lot of obstacles that might stop other people. Yeah, absolutely. Well, wonderful. This has been just wonderful to hear about your entrepreneurial journey, but also the newbie and the New Fit method.

So how can people reach out to you, get your book, just learn more? Tell us a little bit about that as we end up, Garrett. So definitely our book is available on Amazon. My book is called The New Fit Method. And then we are most active on social media, on Instagram. So if you're on Instagram, please follow our business page is New Fit RFP for Rehab Fitness and Performance. And I was sort of dabbling in there as my personal page, but just at the beginning of

this year, 2024, I started a personal page too. So love to interact with you there. My first and last name at Garrett.SaulPeter on Instagram there. And then you can always reach out to us, hello at new.fit. And we'll make sure that gets routed, whether you're looking to find a practitioner or talk to us about adding in your practice, we can reach out to us there and we'll route it wherever it needs to go. Wonderful. Thank you so much for being on the High Performance Mindset, Garrett. Thank you, Sindra. Thank you, everybody. It's been a true honor. Way to go for finishing another episode of the High Performance Mindset. I'm

giving you a virtual fist pump. Holy cow, did that go by way too fast for anyone else? If you want more, remember to subscribe and you can head over to Dr. Sindra for show notes and to join my exclusive community for high performers where you get access to videos about mindset each week. So again, you can add over to Dr. Sindhra. That's D-R-C-I-N-D-R-A.com. See you next week.