High Performance Mindset | Learn from World-Class Leaders, Consultants, Athletes & Coaches about Mindset - 776: The Science of Charisma: How to Build Presence, Power, and Warmth with Olivia Fox Cabane

Episode Date: September 14, 2026

Charisma can seem like something you either have or you don't. But according to Olivia Fox Cabane, charisma is a set of behaviors that can be learned, practiced, and strengthened. Olivia is one of the world's leading authorities on the science of charisma and the bestselling author of The Charisma Myth, which has been translated into 27 languages. She has lectured at Harvard, Yale, MIT, the Marine War College, and the United Nations, and has worked with leaders from organizations including Google, Deloitte, UBS, MGM, and TikTok. In this episode, Olivia joins Dr. Cindra Kamphoff to break down the three core components of charisma: presence, power, and warmth. She explains how each one influences the way others perceive us and shares practical strategies for becoming more confident, influential, and connected. You'll learn why presence may be the most important charisma skill in today's distracted world, how your mindset shapes your body language, and why trying to control every expression can actually make you appear less authentic. Olivia also shares strategies for handling pressure, quieting your inner critic, improving first impressions, and using visualization to shift how you show up before an important conversation, presentation, or performance. In this episode, you'll learn: The three building blocks of charisma: presence, power, and warmth. Why charisma is a skill you can learn and strengthen. Simple strategies to become more present in conversations and high-pressure moments. How visualization and mindset can influence your confidence and body language. Why self-acceptance and warmth are essential for authentic charisma. How to handle mistakes, pressure, and your inner critic with greater composure.   Olivia's website: https://www.oliviafoxcabane.com/ Mentally Strong Institute: https://mentallystronginstitute.com/ Request a Free Mental Breakthrough Call: https://freementalbreakthroughcall.com/ Download the National Confidence Research Study: https://confidencestudy.com/ Order Cindra's new Book: https://www.confidencetools.com/

Today on the high performance mindset, I'm excited to welcome Olivia Fox Cobain. Olivia is one of the world's leading experts on the science of charisma and is the best-selling author of the charisma myth, how anyone can master the art and science of personal magnetism, which is going to be so fun to learn more about. Her work has helped leaders, entrepreneurs, and high performers understand that charisma isn't something you're born with, but it's a skill you can build. Drawing from psychology and neuroscience, she's going to teach us some practice. tools to become more confident, influential, and impactful. And today we'll explore what charisma really is, why it matters for performance and leadership

and how you can develop it. So Olivia, welcome to the high performance mindset. Thank you so much for being here. Thanks, Sandra. It's great to be here. Excellent. Well, I want to get started. And I just want to ask you just an overall question.

Like, what is charisma? So charisma is one of those qualities. which people always assume was magical and innate. And people thought maybe it was a gift from God. When what we've discovered is that charisma is a quality, an attribute that makes people like you, trust you, want to follow you. But in fact, charisma is nothing but a series of learned behaviors. Okay. Awesome.

And tell us what about what are some of those learned behaviors that might be included within charisma. So if you think about when we meet people, what are we evaluating them for instinctively? You've heard of the fight or flight and friend or foe questions. Turns out those are two of the core components of charisma. Now studies have different words for these attributes. Some studies will call power, dominance, assertiveness. Other studies will call warmth-friendliness or attentiveness, But essentially, you can bucket the behaviors as behaviors of power, behaviors of presence, and behaviors of warmth.

Excellent. All right. So, tell us why charisma is really important. It is not only important now, but it's become increasingly important where we see charisma as, in a sense, unfortunately, mattering more than intelligence, integrity, and competence put together. And if you look at the studies of charisma, which have been done in an incredible variety of CEOs, military leaders, stay-at-home moms, high school, just across the board, you can see that charismatic people have generally better employment options, they have more romantic options, they earn more money, but it's even like charismatic doctors get their patients to follow their regimen better. And charismatic teachers, their students learn more and do better on tests.

It is incredible how wide an array of benefits you can get from charisma. Amazing. Well, and I have a new book out September 1, Olivia, on confidence. It's called The Confidence Habit. So my brain is kind of going to like, what does confidence have to do with charisma? A whole lot, since confidence is one of the key drivers in the power. part of the charisma if equation, if you will. And in a sense, if you look at how people determine power, like with everything else, we're not measuring the actual power that someone has because we can rarely evaluate their direct power, whether they can command an army not relevant.

We do look to certain cues, like the clothes they wear, the car they drive, or their title. But in reality, the single biggest driver of perceived power. is confidence in body language. Nice. So you said the three parts were power, warmth, or three types of charisma. Power, warmth. And what was the third? And can you unpack those a little bit more for us?

So the three components of charisma are presence, power, and warmth. Those are the three building blocks of charisma. And the only thing that changes is the kind of charisma you get, depending on which of these elements is highest, if you will, you need a certain amount of each to reach activation energy. But once you get that, depending on the exact cocktail of presence, power, and warmth, you'll get different charisma styles. Excellent.

Okay. So tell us a bit more about how to develop it. So it really depends which kind of charisma you're going after. Because you have to first evaluate where you're starting from. What's your personality? Are you an introvert or an extrovert? What's your neurot? if you're autistic or ADHD, all of these natural predispositions are going to change which

forms of charisma are easiest to obtain. And in the same way that I tell you, absolutely charisma can be learned, I'm not going to tell you anyone can become a Bill Clinton, for example, because there are genetic predispositions and some people are just freaks of nature. Yeah, that's awesome. When I think of somebody who's charismatic, I think of somebody who, like, is like a magnet right like I want to be around them more often can you give us some examples of people who you think are really chrismatic so it really depends you can find them in all walks of life from your

local pta meeting and to politics that's where of course a lot of charismatic people gain power for good and for bad and you can find them in business of course you can find them in show business so you can look at examples ranging from pedro pascal to ryan reynolds to two very different kinds of charisma. You can look at Barack Obama. You can look at Donald Trump. It really is across the spectrum of liberal to conservative, of whether it's public or private life,

you will find charisma everywhere. You will just, in a sense, you know it when you see it, because it's those kind of people that when they walk into a room, you kind of go, wow, who's that for the more visible charisma? Or the people who make you feel, yet you're the smartest people ever like for focus charisma. What do you think are some of the biggest myths people have about charisma? I think the first one really was that charisma was an innate magical quality.

And 1989, the first big study showed that charisma was in fact behaviors. In 2011, the second big study showed that those behaviors could be learned. And in fact, in controlled laboratory experiments, researchers were able to raise and lower people's level of charisma as if they were turning a dial, simply by instructing them to display specific behaviors. So that was the first big myth. I think the second biggest myth is that you have to be good looking for charisma. Not only is that not true, but acquiring charisma makes you better looking, and in the case of men, it makes you appear up to two inches taller. That's awesome. Not women, because I'm kind of short. No, apparently,

the taller effect is on men, but acquiring charisma increases the perception of attractiveness. And I'd say the third big myth was that only extroverts can have charisma. Absolutely not true. Introverts can be incredibly charismatic. Mm-hmm. What do you think this tells us what the science said is about how charisma actually works? So I think the best metaphor I can give you is the same way that we have a tendency to be drawn to sugar, fat, and salt. And we kind of overreact to each of them because they were individually rare in an environment of evolutionary adaptation.

And each of these is attractive individually, but you put all three together, your taste buds go crazy. And that's when you get junk food, right? Which you can't stop eating. In a sense, charisma is the question of, can you move mountain for me? That's power. Do you want to move mountains for me? Because think of it, right? Someone who can move mountains for you but doesn't want to won't impact your life.

someone who really wants to move the mountains, but it doesn't have the power to do so, no power, also won't impact your life. And someone who can and has the power, but is so busy and distracted, that they don't even know which mountains you need moved also not going to impact your life. So in a sense, we overreact to presence, power, and warmth the same way we overreact to sugar, fat, and salt. Put all three of those three together and get charisma. Okay, excellent.

Well, I'm curious as I'm listening to you, I'd love to hear you. I'd love to hear about why you started studying this and maybe a story about how Christmas shows up for you. It's really been an interesting study since I'm autistic, so humans are not my natural comfort zone. And I really got to a kind of a crossroads where I figured either I just give up on humans, go live as a light housekeeper, desert island, still attractive, or I learned how to make the human thing work. And in learning about human behavior, it turns out that there was science around this. It's been quite a trajectory because I'm less, much less charismatic now than I was when I was practicing, deliberately, consciously, all the charisma-enhancing behaviors.

And part of the reason is that the warnings that I had heard of and that I never thought would apply to me actually did. because really charismatic people kept telling me about all the downsides of being charismatic and I didn't believe them and then I start getting the backlash and I'm like oh shoot no this is for real so there have been I got everything they said would happen when for example if you leave the charisma on for too long or if it's too high people can start spilling their guts and an hour or day later their ego comes in and goes, oh, God, what have you done? And then you get a real backlash, for example, and that's just one of the downsides.

What are some of the other downsides? You can convince people even when you're wrong. So I've heard systematically from founders that they started product launches or they raised money for bad ideas because their charisma overrode the problems with the product or the idea. and in a sense they had to learn to get a co-founder or a good team around them who was immune to their charisma because otherwise they'd run into a brick wall time and time again because everyone was just wowed by the charisma. Yeah, so that's really interesting to think about ways that, you know, maybe there are some downsides to charisma. I'm curious about what you said about behaviors that people could implement.

And I think our people who listen to the high performance mindset, they love like strategies and tools. They love like the how to. So if someone wanted to increase their charisma, unpack that for us. Like where would we start? I think you'll get the biggest bang for your charismatic buck, if you will, by focusing on presence because we are in such a distracted world. and the level of people's attention is dropping so rapidly that even a small increase in your level of presence can have an outsized impact. Okay. And the best strategy I can give you on that is presence really is just the ability to stay present moment by moment in a conversation.

And if you've ever been in a conversation where only half your brain was present and the other half was busy doing something else, there's a good chance that your eyes glaze over. or your facial expressions were split second delayed. And even if that delay was as short as 17 milliseconds, people will catch that. So the best strategy I can give you to fix that is in the moment and just for a second, focus on your toes. If you can focus on your toes, it'll force your brain to scan your whole body from head to, of course, toe and get you very physically back in the moment, then get back to the conversation. But that's one micro strategy.

And other than that, if you want the longer term strategy, without a doubt the best training for presence. I'm so sorry, but there's no work around. It's meditation. Yeah, I'm not surprised that you said that. And how does presence show up? When someone is charismatic with you and they're utilizing presents, like, how do we know that? You will have the, if you've ever heard people say of Clinton, that he gave you the impression

that you were the most important person in the room, that's something you do through presence. It's not warmth, it's power. It's pure presence. And so the deep eye contact, fine. But it's really more the ability to keep your mind fully centered on them. So another trick that can work is imagine that they are the main character. You're a film director. You're making a movie and they're your main character.

You are so interested in everything about them because you're making a movie with them as the character. How can you make them the most interesting? That's another trick that can be useful. But essentially, it is really. do whatever you need to do, whether it is the toe trick, whether it's the main character trick, whether it's looking at the colors in their eyes, to keep your attention fully focused on them during the conversation and bloody well turn the notifications off on your phone, because anything that rings, vibrates, or pings your phone will take you away from the present moment.

Yes, or your notifications on your watch. I'm thinking about talking to people and then they're just looking at their watches. like they don't even care about the conversation right now, you know? Yeah, yeah, absolutely. How about power? If someone wanted to utilize that, tell us how people might increase power. So the background training, to be honest, the best background training you can get is martial arts. And I really recommend for people, especially for women, to get some basic training in a full-contact martial art. Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu is my personal favorite, but anything that has really full contact grappling will work. Because you learn to move differently through space.

You learn to own the space around you. And if you tell me, I'm so sorry, I'm not into martial arts, just don't want to do it, fine. The alternative I'll give you is improv theater. Improv is one of the best trainings to learn how to embody all sorts of different personas and to stretch your comfort zone. So that's the deeper training that will actually. build the muscles. But if you're asking for something in the moment, one of the best quick fixes you can do is check your breathing and then, listen, I know there was a real replication crisis with the power posing, but Amy Cuddy came back, right? But she showed that it does impact confidence.

It may not, they weren't able to show that it impacted neurotransmitters, but it does impact the internal feelings of confidence. So power posing worse for your influence. internal feelings. Excellent. Okay. And then I, we have to go to the warmth. What if someone would increase that? That is one of those that you really have to start from the inside. And the reason for that is that because there's way too much body language emanating from us every minute, we can't control it consciously. And so the only way to get authentic charisma is for it to begin in your mind. Because whatever your mind believes, your body will manifest.

And so it is your job to find things you like about the other person. The good news is that it doesn't have to be big things because your brain, if you've ever noticed sometimes when you have a day with all the little things go wrong is as hard to handle as a day where one big thing goes wrong, that's because your brain is really bad at understanding scale. And so if you can find lots of small things, even if it's something as small as I like their shoes or not. ice glasses or they were on time. If you can start adding up in your head things you like about them, it can actually start your brain going down a more approval path. Okay. All right. Thank you for sharing that. So I'm thinking about how charisma shows up in my own life. And I'm curious, you know, why do you think some people just really command attention from the moment they walk in the room?

That's a question of the first impression they make. And what you have there is the phenomenon on called the primacy effect where everything that happens afterwards is filtered through that first impression. So if you get that first impression right, the cards are stacked in your favor. And your job there is to make sure that before you walk in the room, you have the right mindset that will get you the right body language. Okay. Okay.

So what would maybe be some of those examples of maybe what we could say to ourselves or the body language that would be really helpful? Rather than having you say something to yourself, actually I'd rather you go straight to the images and you know that there's a reason why more than 80% of Olympic athletes use visualization, it works. So if you can imagine that the person you're about to meet is a long lost best friend, just someone you really, really like and get as much of the five senses involved. Imagine the swore as you ate together, hear the songs that they sung so badly and they can't dance, just whatever it is that you need to imagine to think of. of this person as a really good friend. And it only has to last for a few seconds after you walk in the room because that's how fast first impressions happen.

But that will give you a real head start. Okay, I love that. And the image versus talking to ourselves because that's more powerful. Yeah. There's the reason they say that images are worth a thousand words for our brain. They really are. Hi, friends, Dr. Cindera here. And I'm so excited to announce that my new book,

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Again, check it out at ConfidenceTools.com, and I can't wait to hear what to think about it. So what happens to our brains when we encounter somebody who's charismatic and they walk in the room? So that's a good question. I don't know if there have been any fMRI studies of the impact of charisma on other people's brains. So I'm not comfortable with making guesses. All we know is the impact on actual life. I don't think it's a great idea for a study. Someone should do that.

I don't think there's been an fMRI, and that might be a bit hard because you would, I don't know how you'd put someone in an fMRI machine while someone walks in the room. But you know what? Someday we might be able to, depending on how the machines advance, might be able to do that. Well, the PhD students who are listening, there's a great idea for a dissertation. It sounds like it. Well, and you said, I appreciated hearing your personal story with, you know, charisma and I'm curious about, you know, this idea of like an extrovert versus

introvert. Can introverts be charismatic? Is it easier for extroverts? Just kind of tell us how that might play a role there. Not only can introverts be charismatic, but there are certain forms of charisma for which extroversion is a handicap. So for focus charisma, for example, which depends almost entirely on your ability to put the spotlight on the other person, as you can imagine, an introvert which will have a much easier time. But there's also the fact that you look at a whole number of performers in the entertainment world

who are deep, deep introverts and really shy, but they develop a stage persona like Tina Turner precisely to overcome that anxiety. Ryan Reynolds has said often that he will do interviews in character as Deadpool because of the anxiety. So introversion is not a barrier to charisma. You can learn to both have a introversion adapted charisma like focus charisma, or you can learn stage personas and then you can go all out and be Tina Turner if you feel like it.

And is the stage persona similar to maybe what athletes and performers might describe as like an alter ego? It might be, yeah. And that's one of the ways that improv theater is really good training. Yeah, yeah. That's excellent. Excellent. Well, what are maybe some common mistakes people make when they're trying to appear more charismatic? I think the biggest one is to try new tools in high stakes environments. Don't do that. If you're trying a new tool, do it in a really low stakes environment. Like when you're ordering coffee, when you're in an airport, you're never going to see these people again. when you're, don't do it in a family gathering where people have known you since birth. Do it in places where you can really practice new behaviors where it won't matter.

You won't see these people again. So that's, I think, one of the key mistakes. And then the second one is trying to control behavior instead of trying to control mindset. Because if you try to control behavior, if you're trying to control the main expression on your face, I swear, sooner or later, what's called a micro-expressionable flash. and you will come across as incongruous and therefore inauthentic. Okay. And when I think about you, I already mentioned body language, but I'm curious about that, you know,

and tell us more about body language and how that impacts charisma. Because I think about people I'm attracted to, right, when they walk in the room, it's this idea of, I mean, there may be, seem like they're flowing on water, you know. The way they walk in the room, at least in my opinion, makes a difference. What do you think about that and how can people practice body language? So if you want the actual science, I think the seminal study was in 2008, when Alex Sandy Pentland's team at the MIT Media Lab was able to model the outcome of sales calls, business plan pitches, and negotiations with over 80% accuracy without listening to a single word of content,

only by analyzing the ratio of speaking to listening and the body language. And in what they analyzed, they found that keyword vocal fluctuation and excitement and confidence. So in terms of the, when I work with startup founders, for example, I have to tell them, listen, I understand you're obsessing about your pitch deck. And I really appreciate your PowerPoint's important to you. You got to realize that's less than 20% of your impact. Yeah. Yeah, and what advice would you give them then? I'd say figure out a library of images, memories, and tools that can get you into the optimal

charismatic mental state. So if you get an attack of the inner critic, you need to learn Insta forgiveness because if you've ever been in a conversation where you said something and your brain goes, oh, that was stupid. And you know your face probably winced. and that was self-directed judgment and self-criticism, but the other person doesn't know that. All they know is that while you were looking at them, listening to them, and presumably, thinking about them, they accurately read, coldness criticism and judgment on your face. So naturally, they're going to assume it's about them.

So being able to get over an imposter syndrome or inner critic attack, and I think one of the best resources I've ever found for that is a tiny book, an old book, called Embracing the Inner Critic by Helen Cedra Stone, super useful. But beyond that, if you have an image that you know works for you. So whether it is, whatever is your favorite person in your life, have an image of them telling you that you are completely forgiven. And just kind of focus on that in the moment? For a second.

Yeah, the other thing is you can try a mental switch. You can remind yourself that there's a lot of talk. stage performers like Frank Sinatra who would make deliberate mistakes he would like mess up his shirt or miss button his his cuffs and Sam Walton the founder of Walmart would deliberately drop his mic trip over the the podium they would do that deliberately to humanize themselves so if you can flip things around in your head and tell yourself you know what mistake is good it's how I handle it that matters but the mistake itself is only going to humanize me as long as I handle it with humor and grace.

Yes, isn't that so true? And I think about these high pressure moments that we're sometimes in. And I'm curious about how people can be charismatic in those moments. I was on TV last Monday. And you know how this kind of happens, Olivia? I know you've been on TV a lot. And it's like they don't ask you the questions that they say they're going to. And then you have to like think on the spot, right?

So I'm thinking about that for people or maybe there's a big presentation. or a difficult conversation that they have, what do you think is the best way in high pressure moments to show up, you know, as charismatic as you'd like to? So the best tool I have there is cognitive reappraisal. So imagine that you're driving on the freeway, you're in a good state, you're super focused, you're ready for your big moment, your pitch, whatever it is.

And all of a sudden, huge black SUV, the swerves right in front of you almost runs you off the freeway, swerves in and out of everyone's lanes, puts everyone in danger, and then finally exits the freeway. Obviously, right, your adrenaline's going to rush through your system, you're going to be so pissed off, and your internal state is ruined. Yes. You're going to be like, what an idiot driver. But imagine what if threw a total fluke, you learned later that that driver was actually a terrified, distraught mother whose baby was choking in the back seat. And she was desperate. trying to perform the high-link maneuver while trying to even just keep the damn car on the highway, right?

So immediately that would negate the anger. And in most situations in life, you'll never find out if it was an idiot driver or a distraught mother. Choose the version of reality that works best for your mental state. That's under your control. That's the best tool I can give you. Yeah, and Olivia, I also know people are always trying to do their best. You know, they're always trying to, you know, I'm just thinking about the TV reporter and maybe ask me the questions that I didn't expect, right? She's doing her best or the person who's driving the car is doing their best with what they have going on in their lives at the moment. When we jumped on, we were talking about online charisma. And I think there's so many things that are online now with online meetings or online presentations.

Tell us about, you know, your thoughts on online charisma and how that's displayed maybe differently. How can we just keep that top of mind as we, you know, move forward in our own careers? So it's relatively new science, but it's been fascinating where I think one of the biggest findings was what's called emotional confusion. And it was found that when bandwidth is too limited, there is a risk of audio compression and emotions like excitement and joy can be misheard on the other end as anger and impatience. So anytime you know your bandwidth is compromised, turn your camera off because you're not going to get the micro expressions anyway. You might as well ensure that your voice, which is the only way you're going to convey emotion really at that level, has the maximum bandwidth.

Okay, so great advice. Turn off your camera, so people can really hear what you're having to say and it's accurate. Have you ever come across any situations or maybe charisma's used unethically or maybe manipulated? And how can we avoid that? Famously, the reason that charisma was taboo for so many years is because the main scholar on charisma Max Vibel grew up under Hitler. So charisma, of course, can be used for all sorts of bad ends, and so many dictators start out as charismatic reformers. But for me, the only two guardrails you can have are intent and impact.

If your intent is good and your impact is good, that's all you need to know from my perspective. Okay, excellent. All right, thank you. Well, I'd love to hear just more about your own personal examples with charisma. lot and I appreciate what you're telling about us, like how you started studying it and for you, you know, how does it still show up in your life? And how do you continue to work on it? So I've mostly been keeping it turned off, honestly. It can get a bit weird. This might be because being autistic, when I get into something, I get deep, deep, deep, deep into it. And so I learned

all the tools and tricks. I just remember one very... A very funny occurrence when I was coming out of the gym, walked into a sandwich shop, said something, and the girl was like, I want to know how you learn to be as incredible as you are. And all I had said was, hello, can I please have this sandwich? And that was the day was like, holy shit, this thing really works. So for me, it's been more of a balance between how much charisma can I use. without it being exhausting. Because since I am exhausting, since I am autistic, it does take energy from me. There are other people usually neurotypical for whom it's going to be second nature and it'll

be a lot easier. Honestly, I also don't care so much these days. In my early 20s, early 30s, I still cared a lot more. It's most useful when I need to really put someone at ease, when I need to help someone, when someone really needs to be able to share something, then kindness charisma, the kind that the dilemma has or Oprah Winfrey have, incredibly useful. And then on rare occasions, authority charisma, when I need to get people to do something now, will be very, you know what's really hilarious actually is that I find that the authority charisma voice works not just on humans, it works

incredibly well on animals. And my poor husband, too, has very little authority. is always jealous because I turn it on and the animals just do whatever I said and ignore him completely. That's excellent. Well, thank you. And what were you doing at that moment where you had the chrisma like turned up and where that person was like, how can I be exactly like you? So I was, I think it was in the revisions. So I had literally been so deeply steeped in the science and the practice because it was in the, I was reviewing the galleys for the book. And so all the exercises had been running through my brain for a year and a half straight,

and I just didn't flip the switch off. And it can, I've never had it to that quite that extent. I think the most I've had aside from that was someone saying I can see you glow from across the room. And I was like, well, I guess it really works. I'm not, to be clear, I am not the Maryland Monroe type of being able to quiet Fifth Avenue, right? this for me was more than enough and I was like, I think I've reached peak charisma for me. This is plenty. I can turn it off now.

Thank you. That's it. I love it. Well, Olivia, what have I not asked you that you'd like to share with the audience today? The last piece I think that's really interesting is generational charisma. So it's been fascinating just anecdotally talking to different generations. And it seems that there's been a real trend from boomers all the way to Gen Z. going from who likes their charisma more polished and perfect,

all the way from boomers to a little bit in millennials. And then Gen Z, who wants their charisma raw and vulnerable and messy and human? So I think that's been one of the most interesting findings of this new edition for me is the Gen Z review team saying, no, we don't want the perfect show facade. We want the messy human underneath. Awesome. So how do we put that into practice if we'd like to? It really depends on who you're interacting with and what kind of charisma you want.

But as far as the messy, authentic Gen Z charisma, without a doubt, the single most important work is self-acceptance. I love that. I think that's a lifelong journey, Olivia, in my perspective, an opinion. Agreed. Yeah, excellent. Okay. Well, I'd love to hear how people can get your new book, The Charismatic Miss. there we go, how anyone can master the art and science of personal magnetism.

Tell us where we can find that and how can we follow along with your work, Olivia. So you'll find the work directly on my website, which is ask olivia.com. And the charisma myth is the newly updated, new edition with the online charisma that has just come out. And I will start working on new book as soon as I have finished the press for this one. Okay, I love it. Thank you, Olivia. Askolivia.com. What a great website there. And again, the charisma myth, how anyone can master the art and science of personal magnetism.

Olivia, thank you so much for joining us here on the high performance mindset. I loved hearing more about charisma and I thought a lot about how I can use the tools and strategies as you shared. Thanks so much for making it also really practical for us. Thank you so much, Cindra. This was great. I appreciate it. Way to go for finishing another.

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