History Daily - Saturday Matinee: History Dispatches

Episode Date: June 28, 2025

On today’s Saturday Matinee, we spotlight Bessie Coleman- a pioneer in aviation who persevered during an era of racial prejudice and violence. Link to History Dispatches: https://historydispatches.c...om/ Support the show! Join Into History for ad-free listening and more. History Daily is a co-production of Airship and Noiser.Go to HistoryDaily.com for more history, daily.

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Starting point is 00:00:01 Salku X, tapamme yet, 5 numeroa, 5 vhietta, Arvauksia, Patheria, Palkintone, G-G-K-Sachco, Towsin-Omack-O,
Starting point is 00:00:16 Towsin-Omack-C, Pover.P.5-X. Don't jay-kidist. On June 1st, 1921, several biplane trainer aircraft took off from Curtis Southwest Field outside Tulsa, Oklahoma. They circled the Greenwood District of town north of the Frisco Railroad tracks. And then, from their high vantage point, they joined in the violence below. A white mob had descended on Greenwood, often called Black Wall Street for the affluence and prosperity
Starting point is 00:01:01 of this predominantly black neighborhood. So while the mob shot, beat, and bludgeoned in the streets, these aircraft terrorized from above, firing rifles and dropping flaming tarballs, setting buildings ablaze that burn from the roofs down. This horrible event became known as the Tulsa Race Massacre and marked a dark day in the history of aircraft, perhaps their first use in American domestic terrorism. But two weeks later, half a world away in Paris, France, a completely different milestone in aviation took place. On June 15, 1921, Texas-born best of course. Bessie Coleman took to the sky in her airplane, and in the process became the first African-American woman and first Native American to earn a pilot's license.
Starting point is 00:01:49 On today's Saturday matinee, we're sharing an episode from the fantastic Daily History Show History Dispatches that details the exploits of Bessie Coleman, and how in an era of racial prejudice and violence she persevered to become a pioneer of aviation. I hope you enjoy. And while you're listening, be sure to search for and follow History Dispatches, We put a link in the show notes to make it easy for you. On June 15th, 1921, Texas-born Bessie Coleman took to the sky in our airplane and in the process became the first black woman and the first Native American to earn a pilot's license in the United States. Today we look at this aviation pioneer.
Starting point is 00:02:36 Hello and welcome to History Dispatches. I am here with my dad, Matt. Hi, this is Matt, and I'm with my son. McKinley. Hi. Today we're learning about Bessie Coleman, a very early aviation pioneer breaking several barriers. We always like a good barrier breaker on this show. Yes, we do, yeah.
Starting point is 00:02:59 Here at History Dispatches, I like to bring you a show every single weekday, a short, fun thing that we find of interest. And today we're learning about Bessie Coleman. I came across Bessie Coleman's name quite a few years ago, and I've just never forgotten about her. And while she obviously has a spot because of her gender and her race and all that kind of thing, I always just liked how she wanted to do something so bad that she did it and she overcame all those extra barriers, you know. She almost reads like a character in a children's book, like just like what she had this goal that she wants to do. And you can find children's books on her. So yeah, yeah, that's exactly it. So let's talk about Bessie Coleman.
Starting point is 00:03:40 Elizabeth Bessie Coleman was born on January 26. 1892 in Atlanta, Texas. She was the 10th of 13 children of George Coleman, an African-American with Cherokee grandparents, and Susan Coleman, an African-American. Bessie grew up in a poor family. They were sharecroppers. She went to a segregated one-room school. She loved to read and was an excellent math student. In 1901, her father left the family heading to Oklahoma to find better work opportunities. Susan Coleman and the children would not follow him. Now, Bessie would go to school and then she would even go on to college, but she only lasted one term because she did not have enough money to continue. So that takes us up to 1915. And at the age of 23, Bessie decided
Starting point is 00:04:25 to move to Chicago. She got work in a barbershop as a manicurist. And it was there that she would hear stories about planes and pilots because this was World War I era. And she was fascinated by the idea. A side note, there were very few blacks who flew planes in combat in World War I. There was no one in American forces because blacks could not fly planes in the American military at the time. There was one guy, only one American, but he was in the French foreign region. So as a side note, I wanted to mention that. So it's not like she had black neighbors who were pilots. No one was, but she knew the stories and she was fascinating. She just wanted to fly. Yeah. And like I said, in the United States, it was essentially impossible for a black person and especially a black woman
Starting point is 00:05:11 to learn how to fly. But she really, really wanted to be a pilot. And she talked about it and she told people this. And that's what I want to introduce to a new character to her story. And that is Robert Abbott. He was an African-American who was the founder and publisher of a paper called the Chicago Defender. He heard about her story and he would encourage her to pursue her dreams.
Starting point is 00:05:30 He said, if you're going to do this, you can't do this in the United States. You have to go to France. France was known to be more open to people of color and stuff like that. artists and musicians were welcome in Paris and places like that. He would even publicize what she wanted to do in the paper and people would promise to support her. And then when she got a big financial sponsorship from a banker by the name of Jesse Binga, as well as the defender newspaper,
Starting point is 00:05:57 she was able to head off to France. But before she left, she actually started taking French lessons to prepare for her journey. So she was a smart lady. She was a smart lady. And that's one of the things you kind of get from her is that she knew what she doing. She was calculated. She left for Paris on November 20th, 1920, and then attended flying school. She first learned to fly a Newport 564 biplane, which was a basic simple plane. It was called a
Starting point is 00:06:23 Newport 564 because it weighed 564 pounds. Very simple. So she would do her training. And then on June 15th, 1921, she would become the first black woman and the first Native American to earn an aviation pilot's license. But you know what? Getting your license was just the start of things. There was a lot more to learn about being a pilot, and Bessie Coleman will meet that challenge. Salku X, we'll meet that challenge.
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Starting point is 00:07:17 month in France learning to be a better pilot. She even took lessons from a French ace from the war. And then she
Starting point is 00:07:25 returned to the United States in September of 1921 and she was kind of a media sensation when she came
Starting point is 00:07:31 back. Here was this black woman who was able to fly a plane come back from across the sea with this new skill. And she wanted to be what was called a barnstormer.
Starting point is 00:07:40 You know, this is basically like a circus. They would fly around from place to place all over the country and put on air shows. You have to remember, though, this was really a highly competitive field. And that's because all these people had come back from World War I, all these pilots. And if they wanted to fly, this was before commercial aviation. Maybe you could be a male pilot, but that's about it. Yeah, there wasn't a lot. And plus, they loved the.
Starting point is 00:08:05 freedom of flying individual planes and, and the thrill of that. So it was a very highly competitive field. And she realized that she needed to get better if she was going to compete in that. So she had to go and learn more. And of course, she had to go to Europe to do that because no one would teach her in the United States. And so it was back to Europe where she would go for more training. Eventually, in 1922, she would return to the United States. And now she would bill her herself as Queen Bess. She made her first appearance at an American air show on September 3rd, 1922 at an event honoring the veterans of the All Black 369th Infantry Regiment of War War I. So for the next five years, Bessie Coleman would be a popular flyer on the airplane circuit.
Starting point is 00:08:53 She would get interviewed by newspapers and so forth. She would go to events. She was known for her daredevil stuff. And that's what you needed to do. Yeah. And like I said, she was calculated. She knew if you wanted to be invited to these things, if you wanted to be paid, you had to be good at this and you had to provide thrills for the crowds. Yeah. So you know, you had to go up there. Witness Queen Bess. Yeah. And you had to be up there doing a quadruple figure eight. Exactly. Doing that, do the loops, do the figure eights, do the whatever. People love dangerous. So, you know, the plane swooping down and almost hitting the ground. The more dangerous the better. And it was dangerous. She had a crash in 1923 and she broke a leg and three ribs. But
Starting point is 00:09:33 she kept flying. And so for five years, she did this. And at the same time, she always was promoting aviation and combating racism because that was a big thing to her. She talked about how pursuing her aviation goals was a way for African Americans to advance themselves in society. She saw herself as being just as good, just as equal as everyone else on the circuit. Also, she refused to participate in events where African Americans weren't allowed to attend. Also, through her media context, she was even offered a role in a feature like film, but she turned it
Starting point is 00:10:12 down when they basically turned her character into like a stereotype of a poor, you know, black woman or whatever. So she wasn't going to be a flyer. Yeah, I don't know what the, what it was exactly supposed to be, but she was supposed to walk around like with a walking stick and tattered clothing and stuff. It was just, it was demeaning. her mind. And so she said no to it. calculated in what she was going to do in her life.
Starting point is 00:11:08 So if she saw an opportunity, she was opportunistic, that's what it was. If she saw an opportunity, she took it to make money, to draw attention to racism, to draw attention to herself, to the industry, she took it. But here she drew the line at certain things, and that was one of them. Now, as I said, she would be a flyer for five years, be a top draw all over the country. And that takes us to April of 1926. She was in Jacksonville, Florida. She had recently purchased a Curtis J.N.4, which was known as a Jenny in Dallas.
Starting point is 00:11:42 Her mechanic and publicity agent, a guy named William D. Wills, he flew the plane from Dallas to Jacksonville for this show. And several times he had had to make emergency landings because it was having some issues. When they got the plane, there was some concern about it. And they ran through the numbers and checked it out and everything like that. And they decided that they were good with it. Coleman and Will's took it up for a flight test. It was April 30th, 1926th, and they were in Jacksonville. So Will's and Coleman flew up and it went well for about 10 minutes,
Starting point is 00:12:15 but at 3,000 feet, the plane suddenly started going down into a dive and then it went into a spin. Now, Bessie Coleman was actually thrown from the plane at about 2,000 feet. So she plummeted 2,000 feet down and was killed. The other guy in the plane, William Wills, he crashed in the plane and blew up and was killed as well. So both these people were killed. I'm not going to lie to you, this was a common thing for these pilots, these barn stores. They lived really, really dangerous lives. The aviation industry was really unregulated and things like that.
Starting point is 00:12:53 So what these people were doing with the planes, what they had to operate with was always a bit sketchy. By the way, they looked through the wreckage. They found that a wrench used to service the plane had actually been left in the engine or someplace. And that's what was causing a mistake. Yeah, it was just a mistake on someone. So it was then that Bessie Coleman died. She was 34 years old. There would be a service in Florida or her.
Starting point is 00:13:20 But then her body was taken to Chicago where there she was buried. And it was said that 10,000 mourners were in attendance because she was just so famous and beloved amongst the African American community. Like I said, when I first read about Bessie Coleman, like I say, I can't remember how long ago. It was just a story I think that struck me most was about a woman who just loved the idea of flying. And once she got up there, she loved it even more. And I love that. And I loved that then she used it to do bigger and better things. She had a dream, I know, they said, to establish a school for black aviators.
Starting point is 00:13:58 But obviously she died too young and that never happened. but it was her pioneering achievements that would serve as an inspiration for an entire generation of African-American men and women. I think the biggest thing you can say right off the bat would be with World War II as the Tuskegee Airmen, African-Americans actually were trusted to fly planes in combat. The last thing I want to mention about Coleman is her grave in Lincoln Cemetery in Chicago. On it is a quote from her, which I like, so I wanted to end this with it. It says, the air is the only place free from prejudices.
Starting point is 00:14:34 I knew we had no aviators, neither men nor women, and I knew the race needed to be represented along this most important line. So I thought my duty to risk my life to learn aviation. So that is her quote and how important she thought it was, not just for her to be a flyer, but to be a flyer as representing women and African American people. So there you go. That is the story of Bessie Coleman, the first black woman and the first Native American. to earn an aviation's pilot license.
Starting point is 00:15:03 She is an inspiration to women and men of all races. Absolutely. She just one of those people that you could not keep down. And I really like that. That she would risk her life. I mean, the planes were only like 20 years old at this point. And she's willing to go up there and do this and do one of the most dangerous jobs in the country at that time. It's just insane.
Starting point is 00:15:23 But she needed to. And I can admire that for sure. Yeah. And I think sometimes when we talk about people, being a forefront of racial matters and stuff. That was important to her, but, you know, it was just more than anything, it was just like she saw something she loved. And she was like, there are no African Americans doing this and I'm going to do it. And no women.
Starting point is 00:15:43 You know, what's more important there? Yeah. So, but it was a great, it's just a great story, a great story about an amazing woman. And it was fun telling it. So thanks. Thank you, Dad. And thank you for listening. Please check us out at history dispatches.com.
Starting point is 00:15:57 If you would like to learn more, have a good day. Thanks, everyone. Bye.

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