History Daily - The Election of Pope Pius XII

Episode Date: March 2, 2026

March 2, 1939. Shortly before World War II, a new pope is elected in Rome and must find a way to protect the Church during the most violent conflict in history. Support the show! Join Into History for... ad-free listening and more. History Daily is a co-production of Airship and Noiser.Go to HistoryDaily.com for more history, daily.

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Starting point is 00:00:39 1939, in the Vatican City. 63-year-old Iogenio Pachelli stands in the narrow antechamber leading to the balcony of St. Peter's Basilica. He straightens the cuffs of his new white cassock, smoothing the unfamiliar fabric at his wrists. Beyond the thick stone walls, a vast crowd outside is growing restless. For two days, thousands of people have been watching a single chimney on top of the Sistine Chapel. They are waiting for the white smoke that will tell them that they have a new pope, But so far, only black plumes have followed two inconclusive rounds of voting.
Starting point is 00:01:17 But now a third ballot has been counted. A majority has been reached and the Cardinals have chosen. The new pope will be Eugenio Pachelli. And in the minutes since, he has donned his new frocks and chosen his new name. But as of yet, the world is still unaware of his election. From the antechamber, Pachelli hears a crowd outside stir. But it's not a chorus of cheers. it's tentative, a low swell of confusion spreading around the square.
Starting point is 00:01:45 But Pichelli remains calm. This has happened before. Sometimes the materials they use to produce the smoke don't mix properly at first, and it comes out darker than it should. But he knows all will become clear soon enough. The sound changes and the uncertainty dissolves. The roar changes pitch, and Pachelli smiles. The smoke is white.
Starting point is 00:02:08 Footsteps pass behind him in the antechamber. The Proto Deacon steps out onto the balcony and the noise outside surges again. Pachele listens as the Proto Deacon delivers the two anticipated words to the crowd, Abemus Papum, we have a pope. Pachelli then smooths down the front of his cassock one last time. In a few moments, he will become one of the most famous men in the world. After the Proto deacon finishes speaking, it will be Eugenio Pichelli's turn to greet the crowd. He has chosen the name Pope Pius XVI.
Starting point is 00:02:43 But the decisions that will truly define his papacy lie ahead. As Europe moves closer to war, the Vatican will have to confront regimes determined to reshape the world. The choice pious makes and the policies the church pursue will affect the lives of millions and be debated for years to come as one of the most significant papacies in the modern era begins on March 2, 1939. Before we get on with the show, another update on my live tour. First, the Dallas show is filling up fast. Right now, the three best sections are all sold out, plus one half of the balcony, which is fantastic, but if you haven't bought your tickets yet, you might want to soon. Also, more cities are being added, though we haven't finalized anything,
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Starting point is 00:05:32 and this is History Daily. History is made every day. On this podcast, every day, we tell the true stories of the people and events that shaped our world. Today is March 2nd, 1939, the election of Pope Pius the 12th. It's June 1939 in Vatican City, three months after the election of Pope Pius the 12th. Pius sits at a broad desk inside the Apostolic Palace, reading through diplomatic cables. They arrive every day from Berlin, Rome, Paris, and Warsaw, and he reads them all carefully,
Starting point is 00:06:21 but each carries the same dark undertone. Europe is bracing itself for war. Pius has inherited a church encircled by hostile powers. Italy is ruled by the fascist government of Benito Mussolini. In Nazi Germany, thousands of priests and nuns have been arrested on trumped-up charges, and the vast Soviet Union is openly anti-religious. Vatican City is a tiny enclave of less than half a square mile in the heart of Rome with no army and no defenses.
Starting point is 00:06:51 So Pius believes that if there is going to be one, war in Europe, then the only way to protect the church will be through neutrality and diplomacy. It's a conviction that has been shaped by years of experience. Heugenio Pachelli was born into a Roman family with deep ties to the papacy. For generations, his family has worked as trusted lawyers and administrators for the Vatican. This upbringing shaped Pachelli's understanding of the church, and he came to think of it, both as a spiritual authority and a legal institution. So as a young man, he studied the and law at the Pontifical University.
Starting point is 00:07:27 His professors marked him as disciplined, reserved, and intellectually formidable. He worked alone. He was careful and precise, and these were strengths that would take him far. Pachelli was ordained in 1890 at the age of 23. He rose quickly through the ranks at the Vatican,
Starting point is 00:07:43 proving politically adept during periods of instability in the early 20th century. He learned how the Vatican could best wield power in the modern world, not through force, but through negotiations. During World War I, Puccelli worked behind the scenes on the Vatican's diplomatic efforts. The church refused to pick sides in the conflict. It declared itself officially neutral and presented itself as a potential mediator between the warring nations.
Starting point is 00:08:09 But it still sometimes spoke out against indiscriminate violence. And from within the church, Pachelli saw how even mild public condemnations could backfire. Statements meant to restrain violence sometimes hardened governments against the church or even provoked retaliation. Catholic institutions were sometimes searched. Clergy were harassed or detained. Efforts at moral clarity often seemed only to close down opportunities for dialogue and make a bad situation even worse.
Starting point is 00:08:37 It was a lesson Pachele would never forget. In 1917, he was appointed as an ecclesiastical envoy in Germany, and during the 1920s, he witnessed firsthand the country's recovery from the First World War and then the beginning of its descent into radicalism. As political authority fractured around him, he tried to negotiate agreements to protect the interests of the church, but he saw how quickly political instability could turn violent and how easily old institutions could become targets if they spoke out unwisely.
Starting point is 00:09:08 So by the time Pichelli returned to Rome as cardinal secretary of state, his philosophy was well established. Neutrality was not a retreat, it was a shield. And now that he leads the entire Catholic country, church, this conviction continues to guide him. Only weeks after he became Pope, Nazi Germany annexed much of Czechoslovakia, and each day seems to bring Europe closer and closer to war. Catholics across the continent are looking to the Vatican for moral leadership, with many wanting the Pope to call out the perpetrators
Starting point is 00:09:40 in forceful terms. Pius remembers the past, and he hesitates. So instead of publicly pointing the finger at aggressors, or singling out leaders like Adolf Hitler, he calls for peace, restraint, and dialogue. He appeals for all nations to respect treaties and human dignity. Even behind closed doors, he advises his bishops and officials to manage relationships with secular authorities carefully. Concilatory letters are sent to the fascist governments in Berlin and Rome. Appeals are made to Catholic officials within Nazi territory. Polite requests are made to protect church institutions, prevent reprisals, and preserve channels of communication whenever possible. But if Pius hopes this will help avert war, he is mistaken.
Starting point is 00:10:24 On September 1, 1939, Germany will invade Poland. Two days later, Britain and France will declare war on Germany. And just six months into his papacy, Pope Pius X-12th will have to navigate a world increasingly consumed by violence. Many Catholics will implore him to speak out and take action against the evil taking place in the world. But Pius will hold fast to his philosophy. He will put his faith in God, and neutrality. We're back. Weiss number,
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Starting point is 00:13:37 Rome has been under German occupation for weeks after Italy tried to negotiate a separate peace with the Allies. Nazi forces seized control of the country, but the authority of Adolf Hitler's troops stops at the border of the Vatican city. Within those walls, the Pope still rules. Within minutes, the Vatican official is back at the Apostolic Palace. He delivers his report directly to Pope Pius himself. The mass roundups have begun on their doorstep. By this stage of the war, whispers of Nazi atrocities have been reaching the Vatican for a long time. Bishops have written from occupied territories.
Starting point is 00:14:13 Priests have described deportations and mass shootings. Reports from Eastern Europe have even spoken of camps designed for mass extermination. But Pope Pius has done literally. In his Christmas message last year, he did decry the violence and spoke of hundreds of thousands being killed because of their nationality or race. To some listeners, the meaning was unmistakable, but to many others, it was still too evasive. What has changed now, though, is the proximity of the violence. It's now unfolding in the streets surrounding the Vatican walls, and Pius can no longer look away.
Starting point is 00:14:46 He issues immediate instructions. Religious houses across Rome are to welcome anyone who arise asking for protection. No questions will be asked and no records will be kept. The order is quietly spread across the city to churches, convents, monasteries, and seminaries. And before nightfall, Italian Jews and refugees from elsewhere in Europe are quietly being welcomed through side doors and ushered along hidden hallways. Every building owned by the church has become a place of refuge, including the apostolic palace itself.
Starting point is 00:15:18 Some advisors press pious to do even more, though. They argue that a public condemnation of the raid on the Jewish quarter might halt the deportations. It might force restraint. It might save lives. But others in the Vatican warn Pius that any public protest will only endanger the very institutions that are now sheltering Jewish families. In retaliation, German forces might storm the convents and monasteries. Clergy could be arrested. The network of hiding places Italy's Jews now rely upon might collapse.
Starting point is 00:15:47 And that's not the only threat. Pius believes his foremost duty as Pope, is to safeguard the long-term survival of the Catholic Church. A direct confrontation with the Nazi authorities could lead to the persecution of the church cross-occupied Europe, and that's not a risk he's willing to take. So ultimately, Pius sticks to his old philosophy. Publicly, he continues to speak only in general terms.
Starting point is 00:16:11 He condemns the violence, mourns civilian suffering, and repeats his appeals for peace, but yet again, he does not name Hitler directly. And he does not acknowledge that it is Jews, who are being especially targeted. targeted by the Nazi regime. There is disappointment among Jewish leaders and allied governments that Pius will not speak up more forcibly.
Starting point is 00:16:31 But Pius doesn't change his strategy. It's the only way he believes he can defend the church. But as the war goes on, and Germany's grip on Europe falters, attitudes toward Pius begin to harden. To a growing number of detractors, he is a moral authority who has withheld his voice at the very moment it was needed the most. And when the war finally ends in 1945, those feelings. feelings will not fade away. As the world begins to reckon not only with what was done during the war, but what was not, the criticism will intensify. All the Vatican's wartime decisions will be examined,
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Starting point is 00:18:14 Muntit O.P. Kodin'clock It's Easter in 1947. It's Easter Sunday, 1946 in Vatican City, almost a year after the end of World War II. Pope Pius I stands at the high altar of St. Peter's Basilica, his hands raised in blessing. He prays for peace, he prays for the dead, and for the rebuilding of a shattered continent. Then he delivers his final blessing, Urbi at Orbi, to the city and to the world.
Starting point is 00:19:23 With this, the mass draws to a close. In the months since Germany's surrender, the world has learned the horrifying truth about the scale of the Nazi's crimes, and Pope Pius's wartime decisions are now judged in a different light. Only he will ever know how much he understood about the Holocaust while it was happening. But without a doubt, he knew that millions of European Jews were being targeted by the Nazis, that mass violence against them was underway. Supporters argued that the Pope did as much as he could to help. They point to the thousands of lives saved through Vatican diplomacy
Starting point is 00:19:57 by the Catholic institutions that sheltered those in danger. They argue that silence was not indifference, but a necessary strategy in desperate circumstances. Critics remain unconvinced. They argue that moral authority carries its own obligation and that allowing the Holocaust to proceed without challenge or criticism was a form of complicity. The papacy of Pius X.12 will continue until his death in 1958.
Starting point is 00:20:23 But in the eyes of many, it will always be defined by his actions during the war. They will become one of the most contested moral questions of the 20th century, with his public silence and secret diplomacy remaining controversial in a way Pius could not possibly have imagined when he became Pope on March 2nd, 1939. Next on History Daily, March 3rd, 1934, the American bank robber John Dillinger makes a daring escape from prison. From Noisor and Airship, this is History Daily. hosted, edited and executive produced by me, Lindsay Graham.
Starting point is 00:21:04 Audio editing by Mohamed Shanzi, sound design by Molly Bach, music by Throne. This episode is written in research by Olivia Jordan, edited by William Simpson, managing producer Emily Burr. Executive producers are William Simpson for airship and Pascal Hughes for Noiser.
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