History Hyenas with Chris Distefano and Yannis Pappas - 116 - Tiki Barber is WILD!

Episode Date: January 30, 2020

Chris' co-host from the Beast Master on Netflix and NFL star Tiki Barber is here and he's setting some records straight! We get the hot deets on Chris getting fired over the 'Duck Sauce' incident and his insight on how Hall of Fame selections work! Want more Hyena content? Check out www.patreon.com/bayridgeboys where things get really WILD!Follow us!: 🙆🏼‍♂️🐕🙆🏻‍♂️🙆🏼‍♂️Chris Distefano on Instagram, Twitter, website🙆🏻‍♂️Yannis Pappas on Instagram, Twitter, website🐕History Hyenas on Instagram, Twitter, website Subscribe to the poddy woddy on YouTube, iTunes, Spotify, and HH Clips

Let's see. What's up, everybody? Welcome to another episode of History Ahina's. Chrissy D., Yanni P. We got a special guest today. Tiki B. Tiki B. Tiki Barber. It flows nice.

Absolutely. We're on an episode of Beastmaster right now. Chris is about to get fired again. I'm about to get fired again. Me and Giannis P will be where Tiki Barber's new lineman. Yeah. Yeah. We're just cute linemen.

And thank you for coming to the show. You're looking good again, Svelte. I'm running. You always look good. But I'm running now. See, I think when we first met. No, you were running. But I had just started. Right. I think I was the met. No, you were running. But I had just started.

Right. I think I was the first one because you said you were on the other side of the Verrazano Bridge when I came over. Yeah. Tiki. Tiki, yeah. I had mozzarella stick in my mouth. I didn't see you.

Yeah. But we worked together right after that. But I was still like 200 pounds. I'm like 180 now. You look freaking shredded, ripped. You know, I got a young life. I got to stay young. Dude, you look good.

You know what kid's been working on? He looks good when it's 20 degrees out and he takes all his clothes off to let everybody know. It's 15 degrees out and the kid's got a tight shirt on. And he's got a nice, thin, medium. He's got a nice, thin, tight shirt on. And by the end of this podcast, I will be in his lap. I will be sitting in Tiki's lap like I did on Beastmaster. I feel like we did that out in

California. We probably did. Ultimate Beastmaster. Tiki Barber and I hosted the second season of it. The most random collection of American hosts ever. And then I got fired. Hold on. You got to explain this to me.

Because I don't get it. Okay, so here's what happened. I'm going to tell you exactly what happened. So, you know, we filmed that show. Yes, it was hilarious, by the way. We had a great time. We filmed it in like whatever, like whatever February or March of 2016, right? But it didn't come out until January of 2017. But in November of 2016, Trump got elected.

So obviously things swayeded so the jokes that were approved like when I said that kid remember that kid Bin Fong yes yes that Chinese guy and then I said when he fell off the obstacle course I go there goes Bin Fong into the duck sauce it was funny I know everybody laughed I got fired and then I was doing other jokes and then remember remember like even like with um with our Indian coian co-host sarah yeah they were having me run into the booth they were telling me go run into the booth and go do netflix and chill they were like people were tweeting that it was fucking harassment right yo even you know what's dope though sarah herself i i reached out to her i was like oh i'm getting flooded with these fucking tweets like did i make you feel uncomfortable she

was like i'm from india she's like there's packs of men that come around and rape women in the town. She's like, because you said Netflix and chill on public television, I don't have a problem with that, Chris. I think also part of the problem is that, I'll tell you a quick story. So I'm in an elevator. My studio for CBS is literally three blocks from here, four blocks from here. So I'm in the elevator at CBS. This kid comes, looks at me and goes, I know here. So I'm in the elevator at CBS. This kid looks at me and goes, I know you. And I'm looking at him like, dude, you're way too young to have watched me when I was playing. He's like 10 or 11.

Maybe he knows you from Kinky Boots. Maybe. But he's like 10 or 11, and I've been retired for a decade. I'm like, dude, you were like a thought when I was playing football, right? And so he goes, ultimate beast master. Yeah. He goes, you're the host of ultimate beast master. So you know what I think happened?

Yeah. I think originally they designed the show for adults. Right. Like for adults to watch it, but kids loved it. Right. Like my kids love watching the show. Yeah. So when it moved down into a younger demographic.

Yeah. Some of those jokes were a little racy. I think he's right. I think it became a family show. Yeah. Some of those jokes were a little racy. I think he's right. I think it became a family show. Yeah, that's right. You also have to remember at that time, because at that time

was exactly when that tiki torch thing was happening. So when Trump got elected, you went from just looking like a football punter to like a tiki. And then it's subconscious.

Maybe they heard the word tiki and looked at your face. Yeah. And it like subconsciously like advertising got in there and you're just right i look like a national but it's like it's so funny just like how things go because i look like yeah some crazy fucking white and then yeah that kid with the hair and same haircut as you what was his name the richard spencer was yeah yeah making the rounds on television but i think timing but i it's so crazy because like i just never responded to anybody right like just. It was like a tweet storm for like two weeks.

I was like, you can't fight it. Like every fucking day. But then I never said anything. Right. And then I came out like, you know, as time went on, I started doing like jokes about it and be like the ducks or shit, whatever. And now almost like weekly people tweeted me how funny they thought I was. It's like the whole thing. You can't find a negative tweet.

But Chris, in real time, it was hilarious. Yeah. Like they loved it. I remember getting the feedback in our ears like i'll do that again just say it a different way yeah yeah i didn't get it i mean i was calling people i remember there was this and then i got in trouble too because like yo like so one team india india had a team and like the united states and china had like ex-olympic athletes and remember there was a dude rishi patel who i was calling rishi's peanut butter cups and then and then one of the guys that wouldn't get off the platform he wouldn't get off the platform but i got in trouble too for this they were like how could you talk bad about india and

then all like these fucking indian activists i was like i'm just fucking kidding they were like um because because the team usa like like i said we had like the stats for team usa would be like ex-olympic athlete or yeah and then what this guy rishi patel's bio that we had to read they said he rides a bike 20 miles to work every day it's like and this guy fucking made team india i was like you guys suck and then so so and then it got and then he didn't even get off the platform and people like you start to you know their his confidence i'm like shut up yeah no they sped it up on the show by the the way. But he was standing up there for 20 minutes. Yeah.

I swear to God, he was like, no, I'm going to go. And it was funny, too, because I was like a fat, fucking just pudgy, just like a girl's body back then. And then we did like this big shoot where like all the hosts were in the competitors' outfits, which is like a full leotard spandex. And then we were posing for the picture, and then one of the... Yeah, Tiki looked ripped. And then one of the producers came over and was like, can we get a jacket on Chris? Because it was just... Because my tits were just like this.

But now I'm not anymore. No, now you're jacked. Not jacked. I gotta get Tiki jacked. No, that's impossible. Start running. Here's my... As a spectator, I'll just be honest with you guys, now that it's kind of over, right? Can I just be honest? Yeah. You guys were kind of the best part of the show because that show was fucking stupid. It was volunteer firefighters jumping off lily pads through a dragon's mouth. I love having – and it's so funny because now I'm like the age of a podcast.

Yeah, yeah. Our fan bases are like – just like there's no executives involved. But it's like to listen – and it's not just the Ultimate Beastmaster, but all these shows. Like in LA, to listen to these executives who really like, they're like, isn't that catchy? It's a dragon's mouth. It's going to be revolutionary. It's like, no, it's not stupid. It's a fucking big, dumb fucking dragon.

It was like American Gladiators. And these firefighters are jumping off Lilypan. Like, what are you talking about? If you watch American Gladiators on acid, it would look like that. Yeah. I appreciated it as an athlete and actually tried the course. Oh, my God. Spectacularly.

Dude, I got video. It's hard, man. Yeah. It was really, really hard. It did look hard. I don't think the complexities of the stunts translated well. Right. That shit was not easy, man.

Right. And these kids were, who was the guy who won? The French kids, right? No. kids right no well no not they lost because it was it was a chinese kid i was checked out he was amazing yeah just kind of toyed i think it was a bin fun one i think i think you're right i think his name was this thing yeah and it was hard like legit hard and i don't think it translated so yes it might have been stupid, but it was hard. Yeah, yeah. No, no.

I appreciated the athleticism. Even to watch Tiki, who's a world-class athlete, like you got through parts of that obstacle course that those kids were making look fucking easy. Yeah. And I'm struggling. I'm like, I got this. I got this. Yeah, but part of it, like if you're a real,

like I'm not going to say real athlete, but like a professional athlete like Tiki, part of you were probably like you got on it and you were like, what's the point of this? Yeah, yeah. You guys getting paid for this? What are we doing here?

The problem is I weighed 200 pounds at the time. You and Chris? Yeah. If you weren't 120, 130, yeah, no shot. It was, yeah. When you were at peak, you could do it though, you think, right? No, it was worse. Yeah.

It was worse because it's all body weight, right? It's mostly hanging, like holding. So how long can you hold your body weight? That's basically what this competition was. And if you're over 150, 60 pounds, you can hold your body weight for maybe 20 seconds. Maybe. And then these guys are doing it for a minute, two minutes.

And then those kids, you know, you had kids from like the French team, like they were like those, they climbed buildings, parkour was like their sports. What was their name? Remember the, I think. They were brothers.

They're brothers. They were excellent. Two black kids. Two black kids from France. They were, yeah. Remember the names. Those kids.

Yeah. They look, they, they were really, really good. Yeah. I still follow them on Instagram. Yeah.

Me, me too. Yeah. They're an ISIS now. Making up these. Stop. I'm kidding. Dude,

parkour, parkour is nuts when you see those videos. Yeah. It is like what they do. It almost looks superhuman. Yeah. They don't even look like human beings. No, the athletes at that Ultimate Beastmaster show, they did look like they – what they were doing was unbelievable.

And then after the competitions, it was a sex fest in the pool with them. I mean I was like, wow. I would look – You're giving away state secrets over there now. Because I had a view of the pool and I was just, wow. You're giving away state secrets over there now. Because I had a view of the pool, and I was just sitting there. That's true. Just being like, wowzies. I mean, these kids are just having sex left and right.

But what can you do? They were like these tiny-ass bikinis. And the ripped bodies. But what do you think happens in the Olympics, man? You don't think that fucking they go and bang each other. It's the same shit. It's beautiful people at top. Especially those athletes that are done after like a day.

You got two weeks and wherever you're done after a day. I'm just in the Olympic Village just trying to get a blowjob. Yeah. There's a picture right there, you guys. You still look in shape there. You're deceptive. Tiki Barber? Tiki's in phenomenal shape there.

But Chris was in good shape. Yeah, that's a good jawline check right there. You got a strong jawline. No, but I was, I was, I wasn't like in shape and shape, you know?

Yeah. I was like disgusting. I kept the clothes, by the way. You kept the clothes? They never mailed them to me. I never got them. You guys think I got that season.

I got the next season's clothes. Wait, go back, but it's here. In their leather jacket, they kind of look like a buddy cop movie, you know? Yeah.

And it was so funny because I didn't know that I got fired. I had no idea. I just, Tiki texted me when he was already out in LA. He's like, yo, where are you? Because I got replaced with CM Punk, whose name is Chris. So Tiki just saw Chris on the trailer. He was like, oh, Chris is here. But it was CM Punk.

And then I spoke to my manager. He was like, they never told us. And then I was just like oh i guess i'm not coming back that goes it serves him right that's why we didn't get a fifth season yeah dude you were a twitter casualty oh my god if twitter wasn't around you would have never been fired yeah i would never been fired it would never happen yeah but you know but you used it as a launching pad as a launching pad i'm telling you i got i get – I talk about it in my act now. I get so many people that message me that they watch the show because they want to see when I said the duck sauce. Things that I say, like, yo, I'm looking through these episodes.

Whitney Cummings. Whitney Cummings is a famous comedian out in L.A. She's like, yo, I saw you on the Ultimate Beast. I was watching it, laughing at the shit that you say on the podcast. So it's like – But that was my first interaction with a comedian, like intimately getting to know a comedian. Because Chris and I, I'm not joking.

We like bonded. Yeah. Right away, dude. And he's telling me like all his problems, my girl, like a baby. I mean, what the heck am I going to do? I know. That was just like.

I'm deep. I'm dark. I'm like, what do you mean? You're funny as hell. Yeah, but it comes from a dark place. I know. But because I was going through it. That was like like, I'm deep. I'm dark. I'm like, what do you mean? You're funny as hell. Yeah, but it comes from a dark place. I know. Because I was going through it. That was like, because now we're like officially like two years co-parents.

It's like the best time. It's totally over. But at that point, that was like. Because you got rid of the nonsense relationship. I know. Yeah, I got rid of the bullshit. And now it's like, you know, we're just focused on the baby. But I remember when that was going on, I was like, yo.

And then it was gone. We were gone because we were gone for like three weeks yeah it was and this guy was a monster this guy he would work all because we would film the show at night because you know the producer you need to look yeah the beast will look cool at night i'm like whatever you say so you know it's just whatever these dumb ideas you know so so so they do so they do the show and then we're filming from whatever 10 p.m to like six o'clock in the morning so and then this guy would like i'd go sleep this guy would go right to his fucking radio show at a studio in la and do the radio show and then and then sleep for like three hours and then go run go jog you know buy property yeah just like he would this

guy would jog and buy random plots of land and make parking garages while I'm trying to just text my baby mama and just force feeding fucking. Don't fly out here and kill me. Yeah, yeah. Oh, my God. When you're a professional athlete, you have to have a work ethic. No, you just figure it out. You know what it started from, to be honest with you? When I was playing at the end of my career, I was doing Fox and Friends.

And so I was waking up some days at like 3 in the morning to go do Fox and Friends. And then I'd go right from Fox and Friends to the stadium in the Meadowlands in New Jersey. And so my sleep schedules were all jacked up. And so I just learned to sleep when I was tired. When you have 45 minutes, you have like three hours, just go lay down and take a nap. You just got to be on the floor. You do it on the floor. Hopefully you find a couch.

You eat when you're hungry. And you just learn to adjust your schedule to whatever you need and so it helped me when i was out there because i couldn't take off from my show for three weeks right i'm doing this national sports radio show i can't be like yeah see you guys peace so i figured it out it worked actually when comedians get shows like we treat them kind of we're we're fish out of water a little bit. When someone's like, don't say that. Stand over there. We're like, I get paid to do the opposite. Yeah. I get paid to like say what I want and stand where I want.

Yeah. It's like that's why when I did that show, I was like – when I was getting all the backlash, I was like, what did you want a comedian to do? I'm not a politician. Yeah. It's like, yeah, of course I'm going to say stupid shit. That's why you hired me to do that. That's why the juxtaposition of you two guys is like he was going to say more than normal. I was the straight guy.

Yeah, you were the straight guy. You were Jerry Lewis, but disturbed. Disturbed. And you know what's the hypocrisy of that shit is, and I say this on stage and to the fans, it's like the Chinese team, when I said Bin Feng goes into the duck sauce, there was a clip of it, and Bin Feng himself retweeted it. The Chinese host host i forgot what their names were they fucking they were like hey that was funny and then and then and then but i

got fired you know by just some white woman you know it was just like okay so like they don't care but you guys are pretending that you do but ultimately um looking back is it's funny it's just funny thing and i got to meet tiki and now tiki's my friend. It's just a funny thing. And I got to meet Tiki. And now Tiki's my friend. Exactly. That's probably the best thing that came out of the show. Tiki Barber. Absolutely.

To become friends with Tiki Barber. Yeah, man, I'm happy you're doing the show because Super Bowl's coming up. So we wanted to know, first of all, who do you think? On its surface, I got to say the San Francisco 49ers. Right. They're just dominant. Offensively. I mean, they threw the ball eight times last week.

I know. It was for 300 yards or whatever it was. And so it's old school yeah right but they have a great defense and yeah john lynch has done a good job building the team this is like my football talk no way but that's why we watch football talk but i have this sentiment for andy reed like andy reed he he's entering that that territory of the greatest coach to never have won a Super Bowl. He's got the sixth most playoff wins at 14. And he's the only one in the top five or six or seven that doesn't have a Super Bowl. Right. And so he's been there once with the Eagles, and now he's back with the Kansas City Chiefs.

I love Patty Mahomes. Yeah. The only way they're winning is if they shoot it out. If it's got to be a shootout, it's the only way they're going to win. Right. If they slow it down and try to play like yeah football like your grandfather and father they're going to lose they're going to lose they got to just open it up and yeah go crazy and i feel like um you know jimmy garoppolo i mean the kid is there a more handsome quarterback

than jimmy garoppolo cute kid i mean the thing is he might have just gotten them there because he didn't he only threw the ball eight times but the kid's just so cute that they were like you know what it's hard to even sack him because the kids because the thing is, he might have just gotten there, because he only threw the ball eight times, but the kid's just so cute that they were like, you know what? It's hard to even sack him, because the kids, because the thing is, if you sack a guy like Garoppolo, you may kiss him on the lips. So, I feel like the guy's like, you know what? I don't want to be on camera kissing a guy on the lips. You know what's funny?

Yesterday, we had, me and Brandon Tierney, my co-host on Tiki and Tierney, we were talking about, because remember, he was with the Pats. Right. So, we were talking about three or four years ago when there was like a little bit of a dust-up with the Patriots. Like, oh, Jimmy G's got to go. Tom Brady's feeling threatened. You know, they have to trade him.

You know, it's an ultimatum being handed down. And at the time, I'm like, but why? I mean, Tom Brady's the best quarterback that we've seen. He's the best of our generation. Why are you threatened by Jimmy Garoppolo? Right? So you fast fast forward three years later here he is with the 100 million dollar contract out in san francisco he's led a team that was a doormat for the last three or four years after the whole right colin kaepernick fiasco out there um to now being back in the super bowl he

looks the part it's like yeah it's like now i look back at that Patriots conversation. I'm like, oh, now I get it. When Tom Brady's done, you want the Hollywood stereotype for superstar quarterback to take over for the Hollywood stereotype for Super Bowl quarterback. So it made sense after seeing where Jimmy Garoppolo has grown. He might have even been threatened to just have him around Gisele. I don't want that jawline anywhere near my wife. Well, now they're saying Brady might play for an L.A. team.

Do you believe that? They're saying Vegas. They're saying Vegas, the Las Vegas now Raiders. If you're the Patriots, you've got to let him do what he wants. If you want to play in the L.A., I think six Super Bowls, come on. But the thing is like this, though. I know six Super Bowls, but really, But the thing is like this, though. It's like, I know six Super Bowls, but really, Belichick, I mean, I'm not saying it's all Belichick, but it's like, let Brady do what he wants.

But I feel like Belichick just finds pieces. Yeah, because even when he was hurt, they still won. There's only one reason why Tom Brady would not go back and sign with the New England Patriots, because he wants to prove that he can do it without that system. Right. That system is unbelievable. Yeah.

The attention to detail. Yeah. The little things. The cheating, yeah. But behind the facade that we all see of the NFL, it's all like situations.

So like, third and two in the fourth quarter with two and a half minutes left, what do you do? Or you got a punt situation right before halftime. You might want to take a penalty, but you could go for it because it's a short field. What do you do?

It's situational football. The New England Patriots are the best team that I've ever seen at situational football. They don't blow people out. Look back at all their Super Bowls. They're not like blowouts. A lot of times they were down and came back. Well, I guess the second half of the Atlanta Super Bowl,

which was three or four years ago, that was a second-half blowout. But they also got blown out in the first half. Right. But they don't win games by, like, 20. They win games by, like, a field goal. Yeah. Or, hey, we got a last-second drive and we score the winning touchdown. It's because they play the situations.

Yeah. So when you play, like, close to the vest, it's easy not to get, you know, lapped. Right. But you also don't lap people. Yeah. You know what I mean? They're kind of like the Utah Jazz of the NFL,

except they win Super Bowls. Right. That's a good point. Yeah. Utah Jazz did. They were very situational. Utah Jazz. I'll just say it.

And they also had a lot of white players. Yeah, yeah. I mean, Hogan, was he a lacrosse player two years ago? I know. Edelman, Julian Edelman. I mean, you got Jews just running around throwing touchdowns. Yeah. Abedola, the kid looks like my dentist. Edelman's not Jewish, is he?

Edelman is a Jewish name. Edelman is. Yeah. But is he Jewish? I think he's one of those maybe part or half or 20%. I didn'tman is. Yeah. But is he Jewish? He's like, I think he's one of those like maybe part or half or 20%. I didn't know that. I think, yeah. Edelman, if he is, he's like now the most famous Jew. Yeah. He used to be Jay, what, Fiedler?

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Or Sandy Koufax was a big one. NFL. Yeah. No, I don't even know. But when you do Jews, you can do all sports because it's just like five total.

Yeah. Yeah. But they're good. Hank Greenberg, Sandy Koufax, and Julian Edelman. Dude, this is a story, and this is like, it was told. Oh, and Amari Stoudemire. Amari Stoudemire is Jewish. He's Jewish, yeah.

Selectively Jewish. So you know what's funny about the Utah Jazz and John Stockton is because he's like a devout religious man, like Mormon guy, whatever. And I was hosting this show for like the the NBA and I was interviewing Gary Payton and I was asking the glove baby. And I was asking Gary Payton, I was like, I was like, who's the hardest guy? Like, cause you know, when we were interviewing him, he was saying part of my defensive strategy was mind games.

I would talk shit and that, and he said, I could get everybody. I said, was there anybody you couldn't get? He said, John Stockton, man. He said, John Stockton by far. He said the hardest dude ever. He was like, you know, white guy He said, John Stockton, man. He said, John Stockton by far. He said, the hardest dude ever. He was like, you know, white guy, pulled up shorts, floppy hair. Why? Because he couldn't dress?

He said, he's the guy. I could not. No, this is what he told me. He said, because I knew how religious John Stockton was. Oh, he felt bad. No. He said, the thing is, with John Stockton, he would take it to the extreme.

And he said, I would do shit. He said, I would say things. He said, I'll never forget it. He said, we're playing Utah. He said, it's it's like you know it's like we're both top teams he's like and john stockton is fucking killing me he said and i'm just like d-ing up on him and he's like and i was saying wild shit to him he was like he was like he was like yeah john guess what i fucked your mother last night and then he said he would like do a crossover like she's a nice lady and you have to call him alone you know he said he said i see why you did that she's really beautiful he would say you know and He said, he said, he would say, he would say, you know,

and then he said, he said something, he said, he said something. He was like, he was like, hey, John, I heard that you stick bananas in your ass at halftime. He goes, a lot of potassium through an alley-oop. He said, so you couldn't, he said, you could say the most vile things to him and he wouldn't care at all. He would just, and then he said, he shook my hand after the game. It was like, you know, pleasure.

Cause he's like, he beat the shit out of us. He couldn't rattle him. He couldn't rattle him. He said, so John Stockton, he said he shook my hand after the game and was like, you know, pleasure. Because he's like, he beat the shit out of us. He couldn't rattle him. He couldn't rattle him. He said, so John Stockton, he said it was so funny because it's like, you could not rattle this guy. He was like, I'm just playing ball. That's all. You know? And I was like, and he never swears.

You know, he'd pick you up. But he was calm, cool, and collected. He's like, that was the hardest guy I ever defended. I was like, wow. Did you have to deal with a lot of shit talking or did you talk shit? No. I mean, you guys remember, I play with a smile, man. yeah yeah i'd have defenders picking me up off the be like oh good hit man yeah yeah yeah there you go yeah some energy i saved myself you know john randall talked

a lot of trash early in my career but i didn't play him very often he was with the vikings um i guess i think the worst one it wasn't even more it wasn't even bad because it was religious similarly yeah it was uh uh peter bulware um with the ravens right in the super bowl because he was not this kind of guy who would just say like well you know jesus loves you yeah and you'd be like what it freaks you out you're like what yeah huh what are you talking about yeah you just you just not you just knocked the shit out of me What are you talking about? You just knocked the shit out of me. What are you talking about? It's like Jesus loves me. Jesus loves me.

It makes it worse. But it does. Because you want to get mad, but you're like, wait, I can't get mad. I was at dinner. I was at a dinner last night at Il Molino right here, and Ray Lewis was in there. And I was like, when I, and it was funny because I was like, I got to ask Tiki. Like, just seeing him now, 10 years removed, I'm like, this guy is so imposing, like the way he is in his leather jacket.

And I know like, was it ever like a guy like a Ray Lewis? Does he truly like put fear in you? Why are you bringing up my worst memory in my career, man? I'm just because I'm trying to get clicks. It's all about clickbait, Tiki. Super Bowl 35 was like traumatizing. Yeah, you should talk to my father. He fucking lost his family because of it.

Yeah, he lost Chris's money. Kid gambled my mother's whole life savings away you ruined my fucking life i have a t-shirt kind of my mouth ray charles saying america the beautiful that game and after that it was downhill man oh yeah that was awesome yeah ray was fantastic yeah like dude that's right and he's like right there next it's. He's like, dude, that's Ray Charles, man. Yeah. And then they just. Thank God he's a destroyer. You can't see what's about to happen.

So he. So the why he. Yeah. Yeah. He didn't get to witness it. He wished he was deaf after that game, too. I don't want to hear it either. Yeah.

So the reason Ray Lewis was so imposing. Yeah. Was because he's. He was fast as well as being. Yes. Enormous. Right. So linebackers these days, because they have to cover tight ends and stuff,

are 225, 230 pounds, and they're run. They're 4'5 guys. Ray Lewis was like 255, but was also a 4'4, 4'5 guy. So the fact that he had two big hunks of meat, Tony Saragusa and Sam Adamsams like legit three plus each so they had like 680 pounds of like fat it wasn't really fat it was really like yeah the goose that he hurts too right yeah of course but 300 680 something pounds of like meat and muscle yeah in the middle of an offensive line a defensive line you can't get to the linebacker.

You literally can't squeeze through to get to the linebacker to block him. So Ray Lewis just runs sideline to sideline. Sideline to sideline at 250 and running a 4-5. This shit hurts. And they had Ed Reed too, right? No, he wasn't there yet. Oh, he wasn't on that team yet? I forget who their secondary was.

But they were good on all levels. Yeah, their defense. That was one of their big— Yeah, they did, and I can't remember his name. But they were good on all levels. Yeah, their defense. That was like one of their big. Yeah, they did. And I can't remember his name. I can't remember his name either. But I remember that was one of like the best defenses. I remember watching the Super Bowl with my father.

And my father was like, I didn't realize how good this defense is. Yeah. Who do you think was better, that defense or 86 Giants? That was another good defense. Oh, man. This 86 Giants had a scheme, though. Yeah. I'd probably say the 86 Giants. That was another good defense. Oh, man. The 86 Giants had a scheme, though. Yeah. I'd probably say the 86 Giants because it had the greatest player of all time.

LT. LT. Yeah. And Harry Carson was on that team as well. Yeah. I mean, they had Carl Banks. Their linebacking core was sick in 86. Do you remember the Super Bowl?

What do you remember about it? So my Super Bowl knowledge starts probably back in 83 because that's when the washington redskins won with um uh joe theismann and um and and i was grew up in virginia oh okay so in southwest virginia i'm like i'm like eight years old and i'm hearing about oh or seven and getting ready to turn eight and i'm hearing about the super bowl oh the washington redskins won this is like a big deal like Hell yeah. Oh, that's kind of cool. Yeah. So I started following the Redskins. So they went back to back. Right. They got destroyed the next year

by the Oakland Raiders, or the Los Angeles Raiders at the time. And Marcus Allen had one of the greatest runs in the history of the Super Bowl, where he started out left, got cut off. He like circled back and around. I remember that. And he just shot up the middle of the field, like to the house. I'm like, what the hell? What the hell is this? And that's kind of when I like started to fall in love with football. And you just shot up the middle of the field to the house. I'm like, what the hell? What the hell is this?

And that's kind of when I started to fall in love with football. And obviously, the next season was the Chicago Bears. Or actually, maybe it was two seasons later. The Chicago Bears, Walter Payton won. And so football became a big deal to me around that time. And then in 1988, lo and behold, there's a black quarterback. Oh, yeah.

Super Bowl. Yeah. When Doug Williams played the Denver Broncos. Yeah. And Timmy Smith just goes off for like 200 yards rushing. And Timmy Smith was like my size. I'm like, dude, look at this little kid. 200 yards in the Super Bowl against the Broncos.

I mean, they set like a ridiculous record. I think they scored like 35 straight points. Yeah. And I think they did it in like 15 plays or like 20 plays or something like that. And all in the second quarter. And Doug Williams is the first black quarterback. At that time, being a black quarterback was like, forget it. Now it's like you're not going to win unless you have a black quarterback.

Like you better not. Don't bring this hockey shit out here. I want a black quarterback. Giants, i'm like get the fucking guy out of here yeah you remember when you remember when like athlete was code for a black quarterback yeah you got an athlete yeah now it's like yeah now if you don't have an athlete quarterback it's like look at the difference between lamar lamar jackson and eli manning yeah it's a lot no the game has changed yeah i want yeah now it's like that i i feel like in 20 years from now, I mean, it's all going to be black quarterbacks.

Well, what you're going to start seeing is you're going to see great athletes start gravitating to that position. Sure. Right? Because back in the 80s, great athletes didn't gravitate to quarterback. They played wide receiver or whatever. Running back. Running back or whatever it may be. Now they're coming to play quarterback.

Yeah. It'll be much more of a mix. Like, you won't see that. Running back. Running back or whatever it may be. Now they're coming to play quarterback. It'll be much more of a mix. You won't see that traditional drop back. I think scouts and coaches and things are susceptible to conditioning just like anything else. Condition thinking you mean. Yeah, even though they're trying to win, they get into that prototypical

copycat league, right? Well, that's what I wanted to ask you. That was going to be my next question because, you know, obviously you have an identical brother, Rondé, who's probably going to be in the Hall of Fame. Who might be here right now. I don't know. No, yeah. Imagine it was like,

hey guys. It could be Rondé. No, but it's like, Tiki couldn't make it. You are pretty skinny. But it's like, yeah. I don't know. No, but it's like,

Rondé Barber, like, quietly, it's like, that guy's like, unbelievable. Like, Super Bowl, won the Super Bowl with the box right, he won.

Right. And it's like, all the, he's got like, records. It's like, that guy's probably going to be. The fact that he's not in the Hall of Fame

is criminal. Yeah, he should be in the Hall of Fame. Well, there's two issues. If he ever gets inducted to the Hall of Fame, would you show up and take the award? Good. That would be hilarious. Yo, Freddy Fettichese. Yeah, you don't call me Freddy Fettichese anymore because you just stuck on Yanni Olmos and One Eye Yanni, which is what you call me in private.

Well, the thing is, Fettichese creeped me out when you first told me that it was sheep's milk. It was from sheep's and goat's milk. I told you it was goat's milk because I figured you were into Haitian girls, so maybe you'd like that. Yeah, so the thing is with this is I found Theo's feta cheese. Do you know about Theo's feta cheese? Guys, I'm a Greek kid. Theo's feta cheese is the only feta I eat because guess what? It's also good for you because it's made out of cows, so it's not the enemy's food.

It's from cow's milk. Yeah. Sometimes you sound legally retarded. I cows, so it's not the enemy's food. It's from cow's milk. Yeah. Sometimes you sound legally retarded. I know. And you're so smart. I know. It's made from cow's milk. Which means it's Jesus Christ approved.

Exactly. That's where I was going to get to. Right. Yeah. And it's got probiotics, which is great because you know me. I need my probiotics because I always have diarrhea from whatever antibiotic I'm on. Yeah. So this feta cheese has probiotics.

You know what's one of the probiotics from cow's milk? And you know what's the best part about it? What is it? Theo, born and raised in Brooklyn, New York. Oh, so when he makes a feta, he talks like this, but he's a Greek kid, so he also says, Mommy, Mommy, I'm making feta in the basement. Yeah, and it's actually naturally lower in fat. Yeah.

So it's nice, because I got fat tits. Fat ass. And guess what? What? Guess where you can purchase Theo's feta cheese? Where? At your local Key Food. Wow.

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Theo's Feta Cheese, it's one of the only cow milk feta cheeses on the market, and I've had it, and make no mistake, it's really good. Yeah, and he gets the milk from cows that seem to be manufactured in Wisconsin, which is that's where the good cheese comes from, Wisconsin. Oh, right, Wisconsin, yeah. And he's a good Greek kid, and it's high also in vitamin Bs and calcium. Yeah. So it's good for all people of all races and all ethnicities and all sexualities, which is important nowadays.

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Get it at Amazon. Get it at all those supermarkets we just told you. And you can get it online at theosfeta.com. Go to theosfeta, T-H-E-O-S-F-E-T-A dot com. All right. Now let's get back to Tiki Barber. Tiki Wiki. So John Lynch, his teammate, is also a finalist.

John Lynch deserves to be in the Hall of Fame as well. Right. But you can't have two Buccaneers from the same team going at the same time. Yeah. Let's not forget that Warren Sapp is already in from that team, as is Derrick Brooks and their coach, even though he wasn't on the Super Bowl team. Tony Dungy, he built the team.

Right. He's in the Hall of Fame. So there's like a lot of players from like a very concentrated moment in Tampa Bay Bucs history that are Hall of Fame worthy. Right. My brother is certainly one of them because he redefined the nickel position in the National Football League. He used to be your nickel was your worst cornerback like right uh the guy who kind of just barely yeah you throw him in the slot yeah no on third down passing

situations but football was evolving then and so you needed actually a really good corner to play your nickel who could tackle and who could rush the pass oh yeah he's got like 28 career sacks which is i think he's the the only DB that has that, and 40 interceptions. Yeah. 40 interceptions? 40 interceptions. Holy shit.

You've got to be in the Hall of Fame with 40 interceptions. Actually, I think he's got 47 interceptions. So he's just short of 50. He's got all these non-offensive touchdowns and pump blocks, and he obviously shut down the vet, and so Philly fans hate him for life. Yeah, yeah, yeah. With that 92-yard interception. I remember yeah, yeah. With that 92-yard intercept. I remember that, yeah.

Donovan McNabb. He is definitely a Hall of Famer. But the other issue, other than the one I just mentioned about all the Tampa Buccaneer players and coaches, is that unless you have a narrative, like a narrative, this is why you're a Hall of Famer, you don't get in. And someone has to advocate for you and preach you. So we're sitting in a room. It's a closed process, by the way.

We don't actually know what goes on in this room. And I'm arguing for Rondé. I got to convince you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, that my guy deserves to be in the Hall of Fame. Sure. And if 70% say, yeah, I don't really, yeah, but this guy deserves to be more, then you lose out. You don't get in.

It's the same thing in Hollywood. Like when people advocate for movies and stuff. It's like the movies that win the Oscars and all that stuff, it's just who's pushed the hardest. It's all PR campaigns. But it's different in that that is all subjective. This is objective. Well, this is like, look at the numbers. I mean, those are Hall of Fame numbers.

But I would argue, to be honest, that the subjectivity often outweighs the objectivity. I think that's wrong. It's not wrong. And I'll give you the perfect example. So three years ago, Terrell Owens was coming up to be in the Hall of Fame, T.O., right? Yeah, sure. It was like Brett Favre, T.O., and a few other ones that ultimately got in, Kevin Green, et cetera. And we had a hall of fame voter

on and we said all right this is easy like we know this is a conversation that goes on brett farve's no discussion to there's no discussion he goes oh hey hold on there's going to be a discussion about to like what's the discussion about to he's the second leading you know yards yards jerry rice is better exactly receiver touchdowns like yeah like what's all what's what's what what are you what are you, what are you arguing? Right? Yeah. Don't forget, it took him three years to get in and he boycotted.

Right? Right. The, what, what this voter said and what I heard subsequently three or four or five, maybe even like 10 other voters say is no team wanted him at the end of, at the end of the, at the day, no team wanted him. At the end of the day, no team wanted him. Therefore, he didn't deserve to be a Hall of Famer, which is purely subjective, right? Because the Philadelphia Eagles certainly wanted him.

They paid him. They kept him. And if he's not there, they don't go to the Super Bowl. And they'd almost win that fucking Super Bowl without him, right? Yeah. So teams wanted him. Maybe they couldn't deal with him, but that's an interpersonal problem. That has nothing to do with – that's a leadership thing.

That has nothing to do with his ability to be one of the great receivers in NFL history. It took them three years because subjectively they decided that that narrative was more important than the objective statistics and the eye test that we watched for a decade and a half. But you agree with that? You think that was – Hell no. He was a first ballot Hall of Famer. That's what I'm saying. That's wrong's objectivity yeah did not win out over subjectivity right like subjectively they decided teams didn't want him therefore he doesn't deserve to be a hall

of famer or first ballot hall of famer objectively there is no way right absolutely no way he's not a first ballot hall of famer yeah right the same thing could be said quite honestly for michael strahan right yeah strahan was not a first ballot hall of famer which Yeah. Right. The same thing could be said, quite honestly, for Michael Strahan. Right. Yeah. Strahan was not a first ballot Hall of Famer, which makes no sense. Right. Right. Jason Taylor was a first ballot Hall of Famer. Michael Strahan wasn't. Yeah.

Like, how do you reconcile that? Yeah. And that's the subjectivity of the NFL Hall of Famer. I think the NFL also has a problem with, like, how many times is a quarterback going to be an MVP? Yeah. Yeah. It's like, you know, and that's another thing.

It's hard to, like, it's's another thing. It's hard to quantify. It's hard to measure how important a guy is. Value. Besides quarterback. Because every, what is it, last nine out of 11 or whatever quarterbacks are MVP? Well, it's like even like the game last week, like Kittle from the Niners only had one or two catches, I think, but he was a huge part of the running game because he was blocking everybody.

I was like, he could be MVP and he only caught the ball once. Such a team sport. I'm trying to think of who the last non-quarterback was. Non-quarterback MVP? It got close with Todd Gurley with the Rams, but

they split it that year. Tom Brady won the, three years ago, two years ago, Tom Brady won the – this was three years ago. Two years ago. Tom Brady won the MVP, and Gurley won the offensive player of the year. Usually it's synonymous. Synonymous, yeah. But I think that was the last time it was close. Because this year it's going to be Lamar Jackson, right? It has to be.

It's not even close. Who else could it be? Technically he's a running back. I know, seriously. I'm just kidding. Do you think they should just have different award for the quarterback and then MVP on offense and defense? No, you can't do that.

Because back in the day, and I remember this when I first came into the league, there was a thing called the quarterback club. And it was like a marketing arm of quarterbacks in the NFL, which was separate, like wholly separate than the marketing arm of all the other players and the players association. It's like the quarterbacks have their own lobby group? Basically. Wow. And it was like, and so all this money, I mean, they were already making more money than everybody else. And all this other additional money was being funneled directly to them.

And it was just, I don't know, it just undercuts the idea of a team sport. So I'm going to say no. Let me ask you this. I'm going to say it so you don't have to. I know you've got a lot of corporate stuff, but I'm going to say that sounds pretty weird. It looks like LaDainian Tomlinson. LaDainian Tomlinson, which is one of my favorite names of all time. Yeah.

I think it was Adrian Peterson. Oh, that's right. AP won because he won. He rushed for 2,000 yards that year. Yeah. Yeah, AP in 2012. Before that, probably LaDainian. Do you, when a guy gets a—

I just want to say this. I just want to say that so you don't have to say it. That sounds racist to me. Why? I think there's racism in that. Like the quarterbacks where they had their own lobby, like they were trying to elevate... Why racist?

Because quarterbacks used to be all white. Yeah, but it wasn't... I mean... But there were black quarterbacks in there too, like Warren Moon. I was going to say Warren Moon. There was a few of them. Probably Randall. Steve McNair, right? Moon. I was going to say Warren Moon. There was a few of them, probably Randall.

Steve McNair, right? McNair. Yeah. He won an MVP. He shared the MVP. So it was more, I mean, if athletes were, like positions were races, then yeah, it would be fully racist for a quarterback. It was really just the position.

Right. Like we championed that position, and that was really it. Do you know, because you had so many players on a football team, like, would you ever, like, seven games in and be like, I don't know everybody's name on my team? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I have an old guy. That happens often.

Like, that's a real thing, right? Where you're like, who the fuck is this guy again? And you're literally, like, halfway through. So that's true. For real, that happened. Dude, there's guys that come up to me now. They're like, oh, yeah, right? Where you're like, who the fuck is this guy again? And you're literally like halfway through. So that's true. For real, that happened. Dude, there's guys that come up to me now. They're like, oh, yeah, I played with you back in, and I'm like, what? What are you, a fucking special teams?

I mean, maybe. You just don't interact with everybody. Like, you interact with your room, like the running back room. If you're on special teams, I guess you see more. Like, you knew the linemen and the quarterback and the running backs. But it's all like a room. You spend like 90% of your time in your your room and it's like a room like this yeah right it'd be the coach sitting up at the front yeah and us you know four or five slappies

in the back that's what it is watching phil and you get a paycheck every two weeks is that just how it works every week man every week you're just getting a sick paycheck every week where you're like holy shit look at this mom early on no not so but once you start making a couple million dollars real money did you see that check is like three hundred thousand dollars a week you're like fuck yeah yeah how much do you give your because i want to talk about this with agents yeah because i you know because richard sherman was just like because we talk about this in entertainment we're like you know do we need in this youtube uh podcast era like we need agents to like go book us at the gigs but like a a manager and give 20% of our money away.

It's like, and then- 20%? Well, because 10% sometimes is 10% to an agent. Damn. Yeah, dude. So like Kevin Hart

making $35 million a year, his agents get 20% or agent and manager. So NFL, it's like one or 2%. 2% of a big country. I think that it's max capped at four or so,

but most are only around 2%. But do you think like what a thing like Richard Sherman did is he set a precedent like it could happen? Yes, but no. Because Richard Sherman is smart. Very smart. Not everybody is smart like that. Yeah. And has the.

You're smart like that. Yeah, but I think I'm lazy like that when it comes to. So if you were. That's going to be my question. Because when I think of Richard Sherman, you guys both are hyper intelligent like that to me being around you and the companies that you have now to help the athletes but do you would you so you think if you were a player right now you would keep your agent i would keep my agent because players tend to bet on themselves right and if you're a quarterback and you're not going to get hurt because you can't

get touched anymore right you can bet on. You don't necessarily need an agent. You need someone to market you and build you up and maybe sell you. But for other position players, you tend to bet on yourself. Right. And so Richard Sherman, it worked out this year. Right. He had a $4 million contract or $5 or $6 million contract, whatever it was.

He ended up making an extra $4 or so million in incentives because he made the Pro Bowl and the team went to the postseason and he played at like 90% of the snaps or whatever it may be. But it's kind of circumstance, right? He's coming off an Achilles. I know. He's coming off an Achilles tear and he's betting on himself to play 90% of the plays.

And he did. And make the Pro Bowl. Yeah. And then get to the postseason. Right? For a team that was 4-12 last year. Yeah. Right?

Yeah. So he bet on himself, and it worked out. Right. Because of circumstance. Right. Most guys are going to make that bet, and it's not going to work. And they're going to fuck themselves. Yeah, exactly.

Yeah. They're going to cost themselves money. And so what an agent does is protect you against yourself. Well, for 1% to 2%— Especially in football, where so much is out of your control. Right. That's right. Yeah, nothing guaranteed.

Yeah. But for 1% to 2%, I would keep the agent, too. But 10% is starting- Dude, we give 20% of our money away. And then if a lawyer negotiates a TV deal, it's 5%. So that you could get 20- Dude, how do you make any money? Dude, I'm sorry. And then we get taxed.

Bro, 65% of our money is fucking gone. Yeah, it's rough. It's crazy. But it's an old system that needs to be revisited. It's conditioned thinking again. It's like, I shouldn't it's rough. It's crazy. But it's an old system that needs to be revisited. It's conditioned thinking again. It's like, I shouldn't be having to give you 10%. You know? How much work are they doing?

I guess that's- They do nothing. Well, look, the thing is this. The thing is this. For an agent, because I would imagine, you know, it sounds like there's an opportunity, like a business opportunity here, because I would think- That's why I'm bringing it up. Yeah.

I think that finding the inbounds are the hard thing, right? Finding the opportunities for you are the hard thing. Yes. How do you know what's out there and available? Right. Hey, man, that role might be perfect for me. Right, right. How it works now is that somebody's got to find it. An agent has to find it

and be like, oh, yeah, Chris would be good for that. Sure. Right? So I'm going to pitch him. Yeah. Right? But if you could do that inbound work yourself or it was automated, be like oh yeah chris chris would be good for that sure right so i'm gonna pitch him yeah right but if you could if you could do that inbound work yourself or it was automated then you don't you don't you don't the 10 is not justified anymore and that's right and that's the point we're getting to in in entertainment now like the agents still need to like you know call up the club or the theater and say hey can i get you know they have deals with them like live nation owns 90 of the theaters you can work so you have to kind of go through them because they have deals with the agents the managers though which is like give 10 it's like now it's like hey like i know

you personally so like 10 15 years ago it's like oh my manager would have gotten us a guest like yes but now it's like we all are interconnected through through social media and youtube like even if i didn't know you i could have just took a shot in the dark and dm'd you yep because i'm the one with the big account yep you know a bigger account and then you you're gonna respond to me not my manager yeah where it used to be in the 90s like i can't even get to you without it so it's becoming like they're trying to justify their jobs but when i saw what richard sherman was doing like i'm not i don't know that i'm gonna do that just yet but i'm just starting to think like hey like we don't need how can i do that yeah like how how much of these outside stuff is needed i understand you're saying the nfl

it is still needed yeah but here it's like there's no incentives for me it's like either you sell the tickets or you don't yeah you know what i mean yeah but most of the ticket sales are gonna come from reputation right exactly people are gonna yeah look It's like, oh, that's the racist guy from Ultra. Ultra Abuse Press. I'm going to buy it. He's like, yeah. Yeah, this is Georgia. I think in our business, the more tickets you sell, the more you can make that decision.

Right. If you're selling out, you really could get rid of your manager. But like, look. How does that work? How do you hit that point? Right? I know Malcolm Gladwell has that book, Tipping Point. And I've only read it in pieces.

But there's a point where it becomes self-fulfilling, right? You just sell out. But how do you get to that point? I'm asking you all. How do you get to that point where you're, I know when I book this, it's selling out. There's two ways, I think, now, especially. One is you're pushed.

So the industry just pushes you, publishes you, you get a movie. But how do you get them to do that? They see you and they see you fulfill sort of a void in the marketplace or with you, publishes you, you get a movie. But how do you get them to do that? They see you and they see you fulfill sort of a void in the marketplace or with your talent, that combination, and they just push.

They see someone, oh, that's an untapped market. Especially recently, they're going like Asian or whatever and they go like, they push. And the talent, of course. The person's really talented.

And the other way is the grind out way which seems to be working for the most people is digitally where you just build it like we're doing it. We sold out our first theater show and little by little it just kind of grassroots kind of a mess i remember when you guys first started this thing yeah yeah now and now it's

like we're doing theaters fucks do it yeah you would have never showed up if it was episode two chris would be like hey tiki would have been on you would have been like um i would have nope yeah i absolutely would yeah chris no but now but now No, but now it's like, I mean, our guests are, you know, we've had you, Jim Gaffigan, Bill Burr, Neil deGrasse Tyson. I love that guy. Like, all these guests, it's like, and that's what I mean. Like, they all came to us, or we have relationships with them where it's like, back in the day, it's like you would need your manager, agent to get these relationships, because that's

really what it's about, is relationships. I mean, this whole thing, I'm sure it's the same in the NFL. It's nepotism, right? It's true. Look at the coaching ranks, man. It's all nepotism. Well, I was going to say, a guy that gets like,

when you got like, you play University of Virginia, right? Yep. So when you went to Virginia, it's like there was maybe a guy not as good as you, but that could have made the team too, but they found you first

through marketing and PR stuff. So that's part of it too. I know I heard LeBron James talking about all these camps, like the ABCD camp that you used to go to and how his son, you know, it's that's, it's marketing. It's like, now they all have Twitter accounts and Instagram accounts where it's like, you got to get recognized. Like there's comedians who are as funny as us, but they don't have marketing. So they're not getting reps. Yeah. My son is that way now. Cause everything is over Twitter. He's 17 years old.

He's up in Greenwich High School. He's a pretty good football player. But I'm like, how are you communicating with coaches? Because I remember when I was, you know, this is 25 years ago, when I was getting recruited, like, they literally had to pick up the phone and hope that I was home. Right, right. Right. I got to pick seven.

I forget what my area code was now because it changed. But whatever it was, 989-4191, let's call Tiki, right? Right, right. Hey, you thinking about schools? it was now because it changed but but whatever it was 989-4191 let's call tiki right right right hey you're thinking about schools this is coach whatever from the university of like dude how'd you get my number right yeah it's weird and now they just okay let's see ha barber tweet this is coach from that hey send us a note and that's how it works it's like so connected like the world is so connected now and it's almost too easy. It's too easy.

And that's why I think like when I look, especially like because I love basketball. I've played it. And, you know, to follow some of these like high school basketball recruits. I mean, they got 300, 400,000 Instagram followers, verified accounts. They post a video of them, some skill thing. And again, some of them get millions of views. And it's like they should be getting paid for that. They should be getting money for that. They should be getting money for that

because it's like a company like a fucking Colgate Toothpaste wants to put an ad for that on that kid's Instagram. Like, give him $20,000 to do that. He's got the fans. Look, he's an influencer. Yeah.

I started a company about six years ago. It was called Thuzio, but it now split. One is called Julius and the other one is Thuzio. Thuzio does events. We're doing a kick-ass party at the Super Bowl, by the way, with Steveve young who won his last super bowl in miami so

it's kind of cool there you go lefty and he's one of the only lefties right um but the other side is is called julius it's an influencer marketing company and so brands you're trying to find the perfect influencer for a local campaign or national campaign but let's just say you're in i don't know dubuque iowa and there's some some shit hole stud but there's let's just say you're in, I don't know, Dubuque, Iowa, and there's some stud. But let's say there's a 6'6 stud basketball player, and this kid is crushing it, high school, whatever, maybe even getting ready to go to college, and some local entity wants to use his celebrity to promote something.

Yeah. Why can't he? That's capitalism. It's capitalism. It's what this country That's capitalism. Absolutely. It's capitalism. It's what this country was built for. It's all about eyeballs. If those eyeballs are on you, you should get paid for it. You should get paid for it.

I can understand the arguments of like NCAA not want to pay players. I get it. But I still think they should be paid too. But I'm saying the social media accounts, I mean, you have to allow them to do that. Yeah. They have to be able to make money off your likeness. They've got to get paid, man.

They're too famous, man. I mean, it's just like the coaches get married. You own your brand. Yeah. Doesn't matter what you do, where you go to college. It's your brand, man.

I mean, why do tennis players get to go professional at 17 and get paid? I mean, like, you know. So you think it's more conditioned thinking? It's a conditioned thinking where the college system,

they're going, hey, you're getting a free education. You're like, why do I need a free education? I'm this good at basketball. Yeah, but it's like, does my English degree

do anything for me? So who was I listening to? Who was I listening to? Dax? Dax Shepard? Oh,'m this good at basketball. Yeah, but it's like, does my English degree do anything for me? So who was I listening to? Who was I listening to? Dax? Dax Shepard? Oh, Dax Shepard. Yeah, he's got a podcast. He's doing a podcast with T.I.

Okay. Right? And one of the things that he was talking about was how, when T.I. was talking about this, when he was in school, like he was a terrible student. But the one thing that he loved was literature. Like the punctuation and like similes and metaphors and all this other stuff which helped him in his craft and so his like but he was failing math i think this is the example he was using so the principal called him

in he's like why don't you know why why don't you work hard we know you're smart he's like because like school is is prepping all the all of us all of us students to go do something, get into the workforce. But I already know what the fuck I want to do. Right. So I'm taking out what I need, which was the English and the literature side of it, and using it. And then my strength, and because I know that's what's going to help me down the line. Yeah. And so back to your point with NCAA, like kids go to college for football because they have to. What are you doing from three years post high school before you get to the National Football League? There's only one place to go learn or at least grow as an NFL player.

That's college. Same thing happens in the NBA. Some of these kids could go at 17 or 18 to the NBA. But currently there is a one-year rule you have to go do something go to college or go overseas and sometimes you get lost when you go overseas so the best bet is to go to college right you're alonzo or whatever what's his name lamello ball yeah oh yeah um so like the ncaa has created this conversation and i'm only talking about these athletes that are destined to be pros not the guys that have illusions that they're going to be you're only talking about one percent of these

college athletes exactly but that's but that's who we're talking about right right right who is this conference like Johnny Manziel is not out of he was the one percent sure you know what I mean yeah Todd Gurley and you know Joe Burrow and all these other great college stars that drive revenue to the NCAA and grab our attention on Saturday afternoons and national championship and college football playoffs, it's that 1%. Those guys can't be paid because the NCAA claims, well, you're getting an education.

Okay, but I need an education to be a pro. And being a pro is also managing your finances and using your brand to grow yourself so I know what the story is of the NCAA it's slightly askew

it's not quite right and they're trying to figure it out what do you think is going to happen? let me just go one farther than that because I feel like if you're not going to pay the players then don't charge admission don't take contracts otherwise what's the difference Let me just go one farther than that because I feel like if you're not going to pay the players, then don't charge admission. Don't take contracts.

Otherwise, what's the difference between the money being made? Like an intramural sport. Yeah. If you're going to make them play intramural, everybody's got to play intramural. That's interesting. My coach is getting $50 million a year. I'm on the team. People come to see me play.

Everyone's making money down to the hot dog vendors. This whole thing is monetized except the whole reason why we're in the stadium. It's not right. It's basically a professional sport. And you've got to remember, in a lot of these places, it is the professional sport. Ohio State? Yeah. I mean, that's a professional.

Alabama? Alabama? Who gives a fuck about Alabama other than their football team? So you're telling me because they're 17? I mean, that's a state I'd give to ISIS tomorrow. You're telling me because they're reading the catcher in the rye? Yeah. They're reading the catcher in the rye, they're not going to get paid? Yeah.

I mean, what the fuck, dude? It's like Alabama, besides football, it's like get on the front lines of these fucking wars and get the fuck out of here. That's all they're good for. We don't give a shit. You're Alabama. Go fuck your cousins. We want to watch football. But that's what they're basically doing.

They're going, hey, hey, you can't get paid because you got to go read fucking Chaucer for an hour. Yeah, sure. Even though everyone else is making millions of dollars off your back, including your jersey number. That's right. I mean, it's ridiculous, man. It's stupid. It's ridiculous. But hopefully it'll change.

It has to because it's just not right. Well, the only way that it will change is if Trump gets four more. That's who'll change it. I got to ask Tiki a question. I'm curious about football-wise. Who'd you vote for? Oh. No. You know it's Trump. to ask TK a question I'm curious about football-wise. Who'd you vote for? Oh. No.

You know it's Trump. He made money. No, I'm kidding. Millionaires, baby. Yeah. I think I abstained. No, I'm kidding. I'm kidding.

I did not. I voted for Harambe. That was my first non-successful presidential vote. Yeah. What can you do? Yeah. So this is my thing. This is a football-related question.

I'm so curious about how a former football player or a football player feels about field goals. Because let me tell you. What's wrong with field goals, bro? I hate them. Why? Because I hate watching a game where these guys are putting it out on the line, bleeding, putting your bodies on the line. The defense gets a stop.

Now these guys are kicking from the other side. 50. The guy's not a player. He's a converted soccer player. He prances onto the field, and now the game is on his foot? Yes. I mean, what kind of shit is that? Yeah, it's a team sport.

You got to execute. I hate that. No matter how small your role is. So Jay Feeley was a good friend of mine. He's a colleague now at CBS. He does games. And we played. I remember this game. We played in Seattle. And it was a tight friend of mine. He's a colleague now at CBS. He does games. And we played – I remember this game.

We played in Seattle. And it was a tight – and Seattle is hard. CenturyLink is loud. It's like they have the – it's outdoor, but it's like curved. Yeah. So all the sound like just funnels right back down into the field. So you can't hear anything. So it's – So they have a true home field advantage.

The 12th man. I think they trademarked it, whatever. But it's amazing to play there, but hard as hell to play there. So we're playing a game there, and it's just back and forth and back and forth and gets into overtime, and we're like, we've got to find a way to win this game. So I break off this long run. I cut through the line of scrimmage and make a guy miss,

and I'm running down the sideline, and I'm actually cognizantly aware of where I am. So I think that's redundant, but it doesn't matter. I'm aware of where I am, and I'm actually cognizantly aware of where i am right so i think that's that's redundant but doesn't matter i'm aware of where i am yeah and like i'm like i see the 30 right and or the 40 and i see the 30 i'm like all right i think i'm good yeah like instead of like trying to you know break attack like go get five more i'm like all right i'm gonna just step out of balance here yeah yeah step out of bounds over time and he'd already missed two kicks in this game, by the way. And so we line up, center the ball, gets up there. He misses the kick.

He misses the kick. So it's exactly your point. I know exactly what you mean. Back then it was so bad because he missed like three kicks in that game that SNL did a skit on him. Holy shit. SNL did a skit on Jay Feeley because of that. Now, we felt terrible because it's like he just cost us the game, dude.

But he's still our boy. And so at the end of the day, he's still your teammate. I think that's why. So nobody's mad at the kicker. You're not. Like, you understand it because, like, I don't know, four weeks earlier, I might have fumbled in a critical situation. Sure, sure, sure, yeah.

Football needs execution on every level from everybody. Right. But my question is, does the sport need it? Yeah, of course it does. Would it be a better game if the defense gets a stop on the one and it's all about the guys in the field? Like, what's the extra point? What are we doing? What is the extra point?

They're trying to get rid of it. Yeah, I mean, what's that? Nobody's paying attention at that point. No, but now because they moved it back a little bit, kickers do miss it at a higher percentage now. What's the point of it? Is it exciting to watch? Nothing about it is good.

A guy misses, you just go. People have started to miss it now. I think the reason that they moved it back was because of exactly what you were saying. It was a foregone conclusion. It's like you scored a touchdown. It was seven. Yeah.

You didn't speak in sixes. You spoke in sevens when you scored a touchdown. Right. Because it was automatic because it was on the two-yard line. Now it's not necessarily automatic, even though they've still been making, I think, like a 92% connection percentage. But still, there is that 0.8% that might not get it. Yeah. Do you ever think, like when you were playing playing or, like, no players, like, I was – because sometimes, like, we just have bad shows because we're, like, mentally, like, I'm just like, I don't want to be here.

I feel lightheaded. Like, you know, like, we've just, like, ugh, I don't want to do this. But the audience would never know. Do you think as players sometimes you're like, you had a bad game. People are like, oh, so-and-so had a bad game. It's like because they were going through some shit personally. Yeah. No, it happens all the time, dude.

It's crazy. Because you don't think about that. Whether you're sick or you got in a fight at home or whatever. Or you just have to take a shit, something. And it's even worse. Yeah, seriously. It's even worse because they got to hear about it on TV. Like he could be going through, he could have injuries.

He could be going through something at home that like would derail us, like we'd cancel the whole weekend. And then he's got to hear these pundits on TV going, he just doesn't have it anymore. Kiki Barber. He doesn't have it anymore. Kiki Barber. He doesn't have it. Dude, you play with a fucking, you do that show with a broken rib, you fuck. Yeah.

Yeah. Am I wrong? You're right. Yeah. No, but I always play through it. Human beings, man. It's tough. Yeah, tough.

It must be rough to have to hear it on TV. Oh, yeah. And they don't know, because if you're going to be, like, players don't complain. It's worse now, because, I mean, forget what you hear on TV. It lives, right? It lives in a meme forever and just compounds itself over and over and over and over again on social media. I'm glad I didn't play on social media. Yeah, it makes it worse.

Oh, my God. You wonder why, and I'm joking when I shouldn't be, but you wonder why these guys have like psychological issues and mental issues. Well, look. They become obsessed with like reading their mentions and like, what are they saying about me? Well, I got to respond.

Well, I got to clap back at this. Like, why? I was just thinking too, like even like OBJ, Odell Beckham, like all the shit that he was doing at LSU, like, you know,

slapping the security guard of being stupid with the money. That's all social media shit. Like in 1990, that would have never, nobody would have been filming him. It's also alcohol. I'm just kidding. It's a that would have never, nobody would have been filming him. It's also alcohol.

I'm just kidding. It's a little bit of that, but you do make a point. Now that's, like, a big deal, whereas in, like, the 80s, Lawrence Taylor was smoking crack. Yeah, nobody knew it but his teammates. Nobody knew. There's that one story where he asked the teammate, where are we, what game are we having next week?

I mean, the kid didn't know what he was, and he was still the best player to ever play. Oh, yeah. LT, baby. Yeah, I mean we having next week? I mean, the kid didn't know what he was, and he was still the best player to ever play. Oh, yeah. LT, baby. Yeah, I mean, Charles Barkley. I mean, imagine Charles Barkley playing in the social media era. Oh, my God. He was out until 7 tomorrow.

Yeah, it's just a new thing. Him and Dan Marley used to crush the nightclub. Remember Dan Marley? Thunder Dan? Majorly? What? Yeah. Dan Majorly.

Look at Danny. Yeah, he was definitely on steroids. Yeah, it probably was. There was an era where you look back and you're going like, everyone looked like a superhero. I just think now, especially with baseball, it's like with all the cheating scandals and the steroids, just have a steroid fucking league. Just have a league where you can cheat. Just have a league where you can have buzzers and juice.

And we'll just go watch that league. Because there's other bullshit. Are you guys a big baseball fan? Love baseball. And yeah, we're pissed off about the Astros. I knew we had a buzzer on them. Which one is worse? The steroids or the buzzer?

The buzzer. That's a great question. The buzzer to me, the buzzer. I think it's the buzzer as well. The buzzer's way worse. You know why? Because we talked about this too on my show. The precision.

Like baseball is supportive. You could take steroids in baseball. You still got to hit a fucking ball yeah you still gotta hit it yeah right maybe you have a better you know you swing velocity or whatever maybe you still can like and maybe it helps you a little bit right but to know what's coming yeah baseball but what something has to happen like i'll like if you have to suspend something like you can't just well they gotta prove it well the thing is you gotta prove it and it's like if you open up that can of worms,

then it's like, how do you know the fucking Yankees didn't do it? Allegedly, they're all doing that. It's just who got caught. Yeah. You know? And it's about...

The same thing happened with the Patriots, though. Everybody was, like, stealing signs. It's just part of the game. You just got caught because the Jets are, you know... What do you think's

going to happen, though? You think, like, Altuve's going to have to get suspended if they could prove that there was... They'd never be able to prove that there was a buzzer on his jersey. It's like the same thing with Pete Rose. Investigated go ahead yeah it's like pete rose like probably he wasn't the only guy

betting on baseball no like that but when you get caught it's like you gotta do something you can't just go like slap on like people like i'm i'm against him being in the hall of fame because you just really why because you can't because then you set a precedent there you go like the guy's betting on betting on himself, betting on games. Yeah, but now, with all the cheating in baseball, it's like, I kind of feel like everybody should put Bonds in, put A-Rod in. That's almost the lesser of the

ills that have ever gotten into Major League Baseball. Well, whatever ills there are. By the way, he always bet on himself. He didn't go to his bookie. He bet at the beginning of the season and said, and this is from his mouth. He may be lying to me, but I don't know. From his mouth.

I bet Reds to win every game. And he figured he'd be, he's betting on himself, and he's going to win more than he's going to lose. But it's a slippery slope. If you let that go, then other guys start betting against, they start shaving points, and you're in the black socks. Well, the black socks things happen because there's interactions with bookies. The same thing with City College, you're in the black socks well it well the black sauce things happen because there's interactions with bookies the same thing with city college right

in the 50s like it's when the bookies get involved and the bookies are leaning on you like hey dude you said you were gonna throw this game what the fuck right you better lose this one by or win this one by 20 or lose it by 15 uh whatever it may be that's when it gets that's when it gets dangerous right but if you're not interacting with the bookie yeah you know what i mean playing in new york did you ever or maybe not you but like here of like guys getting to the giants like mafia guys getting the giants you just can't right never did it's hard to get to the pros yeah it is yeah especially these days because you can go you can go get protected right yeah yeah yeah i was i was i always thought about that with new

york sports teams i was like i wonder, like, the Russian mob or whatever, like these guys, they could just get – Probably an error before me. Yeah. That might have been – Might have been some shit. Some stuff, but not my error. Yeah, because I look back at that, just to switch sports again,

basketball, a Sacramento-Los Angeles game where the foul caught – do you remember that game? The ref who actually got caught was reffing that game. And it was like the sixth. When Divock got fouled? Was that Vlade Divock? It was Bibby. Yeah, Dye was reffing the game.

Sacramento, I thought they got robbed then. And then all this stuff come out. And I'm like, I mean, Mike Bibby got raped. Oh, yes. I remember that. I remember that. Raped. Yeah.

And there was a few calls like that. Sacramento was going to win that series. And then they would have went on to win the championship. Because what did they end up playing? The Nets or something like that? Yeah. I think that was the year Jason Kidd was carrying that team. Yeah.

So it was like they were going to win. They were the better team. They played better the whole time. And it's like you're looking back. And then you found out that he was doing that. And you're going like, that was thrown. That game was fucking thrown, man. Yeah you're going like, that was thrown. That kid was fucking thrown, man.

Yeah. I mean, you watch that replay. Do you know the play I'm talking about? I know. I remember Mike Beebe getting really. He got raped. Yeah. Stop saying raped.

I know. You can't say it. Tiki's too corporate. Stop saying that word. Tiki's got million dollar businesses. Stop saying it. You look like a psycho. You look like a pedophile.

You said it before. If you remember, you said it like four times too. So I'm just. Not with Tiki. No, you did in this episode. No way. I can't remember what it was. Fact check. Yeah, it was somebody said raped. Okay, he got molested. No, that's not good either. That's bad. He got fucked. No, that sucks.

He got assaulted. Tiki's got to go anyway. Dude, I appreciate it. You're great. I like hanging out with you. You're just a great guy. We've got to hang out more. Can we do another Beastmaster? You want to do another Beastmaster? Let's shoot it ourselves. You know what's beautiful?

I was going to say, that's the beauty of 2020. We could just shoot it ourselves. We literally could just go shoot it ourselves and do it, and you would probably get more views. Yeah, we won't get any money, but we'd probably get more views. Yeah, I would love to go back to that Beastmaster. I mean, we are having a wild wild time i mean that was i just remember you guys going and he makes it through the dragon's mouth and

he's into the beast blood yeah down into the bowels of the beast well it was so great because tiki is like so good at the x's and o's like he studied that course and would know like this point to that point i just had no idea what's going on i was just waiting to make fun of somebody from another country i was just waiting to just kind of have some borderline racist joke and just throw it out. Just give us 10 years. It'll find cult status. Remember how fucking cold it was? It was freezing.

Tiki's head was steaming. You're right. Yeah. I was trying to be cool. Like, hey, here we are. Yeah. It's not cold. Oh, my God.

That was crazy. We had long underwear on. Yeah. It was a cool opportunity. But we looked cool. We was crazy. We had long underwear on. Yeah. It was a cool opportunity. But we looked cool. We did look cool. Those jackets were cool. Yeah.

Yeah, I never got mine, but I didn't get that one. I got the next year's. Next year's one. But the next year, you know, nobody talks about the next year's one. They only talk about our season, baby. That's right. That's it. That's it.

It's almost like you wish that it was a bigger story. You got fired. So at least you could have been like had some confidence. It was like you got fired and it was like – It wasn't even announced. It wasn't. Nobody cared. Nobody knew.

Yeah, no, no. I didn't know. I was like, what? No, people only know – people message me and they're like, I only even know about the show because you mentioned getting fired. I didn't even know it existed. Yeah. I remember Chris pulled up this one tweet from a guy and he goes, what am I going to tell my daughter? Yeah.

He was like, how can I even – and we're like, what are you talking about? Yeah, yeah. It was like – no, he said his son. He was like, how am I – he's like, I'm sitting here as a father watching this with my son. And how am I supposed to tell him that the host of Ultimate Beastmaster speaks this way? It was like, you should just tell your son your dad's a homo. You don't mean that. Oh, I mean that, but I mean that in a positive way.

Whatever you want, whatever your sexuality is, I support it. I love it. Yeah, absolutely. You meant, yeah, you meant like more of a... He's got a homogeneous personality. Yeah, homogeneous personality. Homogeneous personality is all the same. Absolutely.

It was short for homogeneous. Dude, the gayest thing that straight guys do is wear, like, I've had a Tiki Barber jersey. I'm just wearing another guy's name on my back. Guy. That's gay. I interviewed him on my old show, Two Point Lead, and I don't know if you remember, I had a signed photo framed in my living room. From Tiki? Yes. Yeah, you have special

needs. I know. We call him Special Needs Stamos. I grew up in New York. I love Tiki Barber. Who doesn't love Tiki Barber? I'm an adult. You gotta play it off, but when he leaves, I'm like, yes! Yeah, Tiki! Tiki was here. Yes! Because adult. You got to play it off. But when he leaves, I'm like, yes! Yes! Tiki! Tiki was here. Yes! Because, I mean, you guys are superheroes for us when we're little. I saw him in his underwear. Oh, yeah. Absolutely.

I've seen Tiki at his worst. Yeah. Well, thank you so much. Thank you, Tiki. We appreciate it, brother. Do you have anything to promote or your show, Tiki and Tierney? Tiki and Tierney. CBS Sports Radio. Boom, boom, boom. Oh, yeah. You can find all my dates, christycomedy.com,

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