History Hyenas with Chris Distefano and Yannis Pappas - Can You Actually Prove God Exists? St. Thomas Aquinas Says Yes | History Hyenas

Episode Date: September 3, 2026

In this episode of History Hyenas, Chris Distefano and Yannis Pappas get absolute WILD taking a dive into the medieval mind of St. Thomas Aquinas—the ultimate "Dumb Ox" who completely changed the ga...me of Christian theology! We’re breaking down how Tommy A took ancient pagan philosophy from Aristotle and remixed it to create his famous Five Proofs of God (the Quinque Viae). Is God real or is it just pure character? We break down the "Unmoved Mover," primary causes, and why taking pagan logic to prove the Catholic Almighty had the medieval church losing its mind. It’s a full-blown situation, cuz! Expect unhinged tangents, medieval hot takes, and two cuzzie-wuzzies trying to understand metaphysics without losing their last brain cells. Make sure to hit SUBSCRIBE, like the video, and drop a comment below—are you an Aristotelian or are you just WILD?! #HistoryHyenas #ThomasAquinas #Aristotle #Philosophy #ChrisDistefano #YannisPappas #Podcast Support our Sponsors: Taking care of your health just got easier – start here with Zocdoc: https://zocdoc.com/hyenas #sponsored Go to https://ButcherBox.com/HYENAS to get $20 off your first box, plus your choice of free ribeye, new york strip, or filet mignon in every box for a year — with free shipping always. Download Cash App Today: https://capl.onelink.me/vFut/scs3ncao #CashAppPod Cash App is a financial services platform, not a bank. Banking services provided by Cash App’s bank partner(s). Prepaid debit cards issued by Sutton Bank, Member FDIC. Cash App Visa® Debit Flex Cards issued by Sutton Bank, Member FDIC, and The Bancorp Bank, N.A., pursuant to a license from Visa U.S.A. Inc. See terms and conditions for the Sutton prepaid card, Sutton debit flex card, and Bancorp debit flex card. Cash App Green features, Savings, Direct deposit, Round ups, Overdraft coverage and Discounts provided by Cash App, a Block, Inc. brand. Visit cash.app/legal/podcast for full disclosures. Join our Patreon at 👇 https://www.patreon.com/historyhyenas/ Subscribe to the poddy woddy Our YouTube!: https://bit.ly/2ARdDOz HH Clips:https://bit.ly/2YaK2Z8 iTunes: https://apple.co/2UQTHCc Spotify: https://spoti.fi/3fxtsc0 Hyenas Merch!!! https://store.historyhyenaspod.com Follow us Cuz! 🙆🏻‍♂️ Yannis Pappas Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/yannispappas/ Twitter - https://twitter.com/yannispappas Website - https://www.yannispappascomedy.com/ 🙆🏼‍♂️ Chris Distefano Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/chrisdcomedy/ Twitter - https://twitter.com/chrisdcomedy Website - https://www.chrisdcomedy.com/ 🐕More Hyenas Website: www.historyhyenasisback.com Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/historyhyenas/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/HistoryHyenas Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/historyhyenaspod Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Guys, today we got a great episode about St. Thomas Aquinas. Come see me, October 23rd, 24th, Governor's Comedy Club, Levitown, Long Island. I'm a New York City Kid. And then November, we got Syracuse, Tampa, Baltimore. And then we've just added Fort Lauderdale, Florida, December 11th to the 12th. So go to Christy Comedy.com for Tikiwikis. See me in Rochester, September 11th and 12th. Washington, D.C., September 25th, 26th, Batae, Illinois, October 8th and 10th. Levitown, New York, Long Island, November 6th and 7th, L.A., November 11th, and more dates up there. Janice Pappas, comedy.com, Patreon.com, slash history hyenas for our weekly bonus episode. And this episode you're about to watch, but you get it ad-free, uncensored, and a day early.
Starting point is 00:01:14 What's up, everybody? How are you? Welcome to another episode of the history hyenas. I am Yanni the Greek. And over there is Chrissy the Freak. That's what it is. That's who we are. Now, we're going to have a great episode. for you today. We're going to talk to you about St. Thomas Aquinas and the Unmovable Mover and how is there really good versus evil or is evil just less and less good and all those things. But I want to start off today's episode with a little bit of a beamcast and a little bit of change in philosophy for us at the show and for us as people. And I want you to take a little something from this. Have you guys heard of the word paranoia, which means that you have a fear
Starting point is 00:01:53 of everything. You think things are not going to go your way. There's evil. Well, I like a little thing now that I'm coining pro-annoyah, where I'm having those same compulsive thoughts, but it's everything that's happening for me is good. So Christian pro-annoya is something that I want to live by, something I want you guys to live by, and to embody. And it's a little philosophy where instead of thinking the worst, you think the best, and that what God is doing for you and providing for you, even though it may not feel good in the moment, maybe I've pain in your body, but that's him saying, I just want to remind you that your body's working. Maybe you didn't get a job, but maybe he's saying to you, well, I just want to let you know that I wanted you
Starting point is 00:02:29 to keep on working and you will find a path. And you just have to search a little bit more. But it's moving from paranoia, which I'm scared of everything, to proannoya, which everything is happening me for good. Potterimone is a potterimone. Pottery moon. That's all I know, because I went with my Irish friend to Catholic Church and ate the way for her just a few times. times and the body of Christ and the blood of Christ according to st. Thomas Aquinas isn't necessary. You need to eat Jesus like you are accountable like you're Jeffrey Dahmer.
Starting point is 00:03:02 Eat the blood and body of Christ even though it's wine and bread. And if you're hung over like I was when I was an altar boy, sometimes that bread came in very handy. And also the wine that I took and I sip from the back, which was blessed and supposed to be the blood of Christ, I would swig it because I had access to the back and it was a nice hair of the dog. Sometimes it's okay to have impure thoughts. Even St. Thomas Aquinas had them, but please don't cheat on your wife because it's not a right thing to do, but he never said anything explicitly about going to massage parlors. He never said that because that is more of a procedure. And it is just like going to the dentist. Instead of getting your teeth clean, you're getting your dick and balls cleaned by a Chinese immigrant. Amen. We also are
Starting point is 00:03:51 would like to say that St. Augustine was different from St. Thomas Aquinas, but they were the two most prevalent Christian thinkers, and one of them had a real, real problem with Hootie. And that was St. Augustine, who we will do another episode about eventually, but make absolutely no mistake. St. Augustine love pussy. He loved pussy so much. And conversely, St. Thomas Aquinas' his family did not want him to join the Dominicans and become a monk. So what they did is they sent a prostitute to his room and he chased her out, which either means the kid really, really loves Jesus or the kid prefers men. Yeah, because I wonder if that prostitute had a penis, what he would do.
Starting point is 00:04:39 He might have been on his knees like Joe de Rosa. Amen. Now another thing as well is St. Thomas Aquinas is one of the most intelligent thinkers of all time, and I don't think a lot of people know about it because he put most of his foundational beliefs into religion, unlike Aristotle who did it mostly into philosophy. But we are here to tell you that St. Thomas Aquinas took most of Aristotle's ideas and just put them to Jesus and through the eyes and lens and scope of Christianity. and for that reason I choose St. Thomas Aquinas.
Starting point is 00:05:19 We definitely undoubtedly grew up in a period where naturalism and industrialization and the popularity of communism has really stamped out the tradition of Judeo-Christianity. And of course, also, St. Thomas Aquinas was a thinker during the medieval period where there was not too much thinking going on. St. Thomas Aquinas was also known by his peers as a very large and portly man, and he was very quiet and kept to himself, and his classmates used to call him the dumb ox, but today we would call him the kid with autism. He also was a kid who could miraculously and famously resist puss, but apparently he could not
Starting point is 00:06:02 resist an Italian hoagie. It's what it is. He dropped out of a heart attack at 49. It's just what happened. Some people say that he actually dropped dead because he hit his head on a tree branch traveling by cart, but we probably know it was because he was eating a loaf of bread. Either way, the kid was what they call a fat fuck, Lord, forgive me. Now, he has some really interesting ideas that are kind of quite amazing and we're going to get into them. The basic argument, he said, is things in the world are going to change. A seed does become a tree, a wood does become ash. A cold object does become hot. But whatever changes is changed by something else, except one thing and one thing only. and that is God who he calls the unmovable mover. The unmovable mover. And some of you, I realize that we're only five and a half minutes in and have turned off this podcast
Starting point is 00:06:51 and we'll tell us on the page that you've turned off the podcast because we're singing. And what I say to you is that that is fine with me because I don't want Muslims in my podcast either. Because if you've turned this off, because if you've turned this off because you're this singing upsets you, it's probably because you're not a Christian person.
Starting point is 00:07:07 and I am at the point in my life where I just don't want to talk to anybody but Christian. I do have to say that this tone that they use is a little bit of a snoozer. It is, but there are a few people out there who are really enjoying this, and some of them it's probably even making them go erect and pewing, and those people are psychotic people, but those people are important people because they are most likely $25 members of the Patreon. I will say if you want to be attacked by the Holy Ghost. you got to go to a black church. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:07:40 They attack you with the whole. I mean, because every time I see a video of a black church, I can't believe that you can go there for free and they don't have tickets on Stubb. I mean, it really, you get attacked by it. When you go to the Catholic church, you get sedated by it. I mean, do you know how many times I've been watching TV and I'm like, it's so awesome that they have black church on TV and it makes it free really good? And then I realized 20 minutes in it was just an episode of Wilden Out. Way Song She ain't. Now, the interesting thing about our boy, St. Tommy, is it okay if I call you Tommy?
Starting point is 00:08:11 Yeah, it's okay if you call St. Thomas Aquinas Tommy. Just like it's okay that I shared with you at the U.S. Open today that sometimes I call God Babe. And I say, hon, I'm just, I need to speak to you right now for a second, babe. And God, because as St. Thomas Aquinas says, God doesn't exist. God is existence. God, it's not particles. He is the particle. There is no.
Starting point is 00:08:29 He doesn't have pieces of him. So you can call him babe and honey. That's okay. He's okay with definitely babe and hon. Yeah. I wouldn't call him dog. Yeah, he doesn't want that. He doesn't want you to come at him with a dog.
Starting point is 00:08:39 Yeah. And he doesn't like bra. Yeah. You think he would respond to bra? No, I don't think he likes that, but he likes babe and hunt. He likes babe and hunt because it's fun. Bras, he's not your bra. He's not your dog.
Starting point is 00:08:50 Right. I'm not your bruh, bruh. The thing about same time as Aquinas that made him unique at that time, especially, was that he believed reason and faith were not mutually exclusive. Right. He believed that reason was a way to learn more about God and God's creation. His big thing, of course, was, as Chrissy said, he was an Aristotelian. He came to the conclusion that God is a kid we'd like to call the unmoved mover.
Starting point is 00:09:21 God, the unmoved mover. Now, he inherited this idea from Yanni's boy Aristotle. We do have to give credit where credits do, but he developed it within Christianity. So that was just a little bit different. but what he's basically saying is that, you know, anything, like we said, the seed becomes the flower, the cold water becomes hot, it's all these things, you know, you learned something you didn't know yesterday. Aquinas caused all this potentiality to actuality. All these things are true for everything you can find in nature in this world except the first thing, which is God, which is the unmoved mover.
Starting point is 00:09:55 So his whole thing is that's something, and his whole thing is we don't even need to explain that. You just accept that that's the unmoved mover and then you go from there. When you go to God's apartment, you go, how did all this furniture get in here? Which moving company did you hire? And he goes, I am the mover. It's what I am. The furniture is always here. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:10:14 So it's just like that. The kid doesn't have to hire an Israeli movie company that's a front for the massage. It's just what it is. It's just what he doesn't have to do. And the unmoved mover, in Thomas's words, it's called pure actuality. So everything else goes from kind of transforms into actuality. but Tommy said God is actuality. Just like God isn't, you know, God isn't a good guy.
Starting point is 00:10:34 God is goodness. Right. You understand? That's difference. God doesn't exist. He is existence, son. Right, right. He is not subject to time, space, and matter.
Starting point is 00:10:47 He is those things and he's also not those things. Right. He's the first cause. He's the guy who kicked the can first. Yeah. Now, here's the thing with St. Thomas Aquinas. and we'll get into it more. A lot of stuff we know about him is he wrote these,
Starting point is 00:11:03 what are they called, the Summa's? The Summa Theologica. The Summa Theological. So he would just write these things and then he would write it. He put it out to the people and then in an open forum in a church or a meeting place or town hall. He would have anybody, anybody from the town could come and talk to him. They could have a response. They called him, I think the response yes, but they would have a response.
Starting point is 00:11:24 And that would be anybody. That would be guys, the most elite thinkers in the world at the time to pest. who could barely read and write could actually have something to say. So it was kind of a little bit like early internet. Everybody was out there in the comments. And St. Thomas would have been in the comments big. He would have come back at you, son. He would have come out at you big.
Starting point is 00:11:41 He, um, the sum of theologica is considered his magnum opus. Right. No. 5.14. It's just what it is. I'm not saying it's a similar thing. I'm just saying it. Everyone's got a magnum opus.
Starting point is 00:11:57 It's an agalus. Everyone's got a magnum opus meaning their, their, you know, major work, right? Right, their major work. Your big thing. This is what you're known for. This is your greatest piece of contribution. Yeah, like yours is Morisa, mine's Tuberware. It's what it is.
Starting point is 00:12:12 That's very similar to St. Thomas' Summa theology. But it's nice because you went from Guy Coat to Tuberware. It's just what it is. It's just what it is. So he was a guy that wrote what became known as the five it was called the five reasons for God. Now, do you know them? We're going to pull them up and we're going to read them right off the screen.
Starting point is 00:12:36 So the five reasons for God is what, because he... I think I've bastardized that too. I think that is the American translation. It is basically called... Five ways to prove the existence of God. So I was in the right ballpark. Right. I showed up, what happened is I showed up expecting Shea and it became city field.
Starting point is 00:12:55 It's just what it is. So the first way is motion because you've got to put a little motion in the ocean That's what it is It's not the size of the boat It's the motion in the ocean As we've heard from a lot of guys
Starting point is 00:13:08 As we've heard from a lot of guys As small penis As what Nick has to say on dating apps That's what he's what he leads with And that's why he's doing well Do you think Nick has a D's piece I think Nick has a great penis I bet you the kids got a stick
Starting point is 00:13:20 I bet no We call him Nick the stick That's why we call him that Because he's got a nice piece Now here's the thing boys is what what Thomas says what Thomas Aquinas says. Can I also say this real quick? Do you think when Nick takes off his hat and looks in the mirror, he does look like a Franciscan friar? He does. Because he's got the long hair and the goate kind of thing. And he's holy. He's a holy kid. So he kind of does have the
Starting point is 00:13:42 look of like a medieval friar. A hundred percent he does. I want to fucking throw a friar hat on him. Yeah, maybe maybe as Halloween. Should we all go as, should we go as like religious figures, St. Thomas Aquinas? Should we go as friars? I like that very much. Or we could just throw a rubber band and his goatee and turn him into Lou Albaano. It's just what it is. Now, so the first way, the five, the five, you know, philosophical arguments for the existence of God,
Starting point is 00:14:06 according to St. Thomas Aquinas, motion. So things in the universe are motion. Change. We all understand that. But he says there's an infinite regress of an infinite regress of movers is impossible. That's what they call. So what does that mean? They call that turtles all the way down.
Starting point is 00:14:20 So what does that mean? Is you talking to turtle cock? What are you talking about? No, so it's, that's Aristotle. Aristotle was like the first great thinker to come to that conclusion going, if you don't have an unmoved mover, in essence, you have turtles all the way down, you have an infinite regress saying this, cause this because of this, because of this, and it just goes on ad infinitum. Right, and there is no beginning or end.
Starting point is 00:14:47 It's just endless. Right. And we're still dealing with this. We still have no concrete proof. No, so they have the infinite, have you heard of the multiverse theory? Like where things are happening in different planes. It's not out there, it's right here, it's just a different, I'm sitting there and you're sitting here.
Starting point is 00:15:07 Yeah, so mathematically it'd be like, oh, there's an infinite amount of multiverse is happening at the same time. So there's an infinite amount of variations and they're all happening in one universe. Jesse did this instead of this. Right. Instead of Jesse put his nose, finger at his nose. He put it left hand, right hand, this, that. It's endless.
Starting point is 00:15:25 And it's endless. But the problem with that is, is sort of this infinite regress. Right. So the multiverse theory is a hypothetical framework proposing that our observable universe is not the entirety of reality, but one of many coexisting distinct universe. It could be or could not be here. Let's go back to the five reasons for God, because then the second one, the second thing that he does, but to finish that point with motion, what St. Thomas Aquinas says,
Starting point is 00:15:50 is therefore, in his opinion, the first unmovingly. mover is God, right? Some people today might say the first unmoved mover is extraterrestrials. The first unmoved mover is whatever, but for him, it's God. And I know your thing is, if you want to say extraterrestrial, it's fine. Then you just move Jesus one planet over. Yeah, that's what they say. There's an expression called, if it's aliens that ceded us, then who created the aliens.
Starting point is 00:16:13 And then you have the infinite regress problem. You just, yeah. So the second way, the second thing he says, so the first way is motion. The second way is efficient cause. Everything in the world is caused to exist by something else preceding it. Nothing can be the efficient cause of itself. This chain of causes cannot stretch back infinitely. Therefore, there must be a first uncaused cause of all things, again, pointing back to what
Starting point is 00:16:35 he would believe is God. Exactly. The third way, possibility and necessity, natural things are contingent, meaning they can come into being and pass away. They can exist or not exist. You exist now, but before when you were born, do you exist? when you die, do you exist? I don't know. Nobody knows. If everything were merely contingent, then at one point, nothing would have existed, and thus nothing could exist now. Therefore,
Starting point is 00:17:00 there must exist at least one necessary being that owes its existence to no other, which is God. Now, this is one of the strong, they're all strong, to be honest with you, but this is a strong one because it's basically saying there's no such thing as nothing. Like, what does that mean? If things exist like if it's basically why does anything exist at all like it can't come from nothing right there's no such thing of this can't all pop from nothing right like if there was nothing the big bang whatever it is basically saying if there was nothing before the big bang that we know now we like you know but if there was nothing then how did nothing produce something is basically what he's saying and his answer is god yeah he's basically well in this one particularly he's yeah he's going god there has to be
Starting point is 00:17:49 something right right because basically it comes down to this even now it basically comes down to either there is a quote unquote god right who is beyond space time and matter who created that and this is creation and it it shows intelligence or this just always is and it's random like another there's no intelligence behind either there's intelligence behind there's not right so if there's no intelligence then shit just randomly pops into each other and luckily comes together for whatever fucking reason and those things always wore and that essentially is God
Starting point is 00:18:26 right just this random shit that just never goes away, just changes forms endlessly that's hard to reconcile with the Big Bang right there was a start right so that's hard to reconcile with the bank it's also hard to reconcile the fact when you see all the intelligence in the universe and how math accurately
Starting point is 00:18:43 specifically describes that intelligence so it's tough so then we got the fourth way is The gradation of perfection. We observe varying degrees of qualities in things such as goodness, truth, and nobility. Right? Things are better, things are worse. Degrees are judged by how closely they approximate a maximum standard.
Starting point is 00:19:01 Therefore, there must be a maximum being. Some cultures call that the Ubermensch. Now, that is the ultimate source of all perfection, truth, and goodness, whom St. Thomas Aquinas calls God. That's what he calls God. Now, this is another really good one. I mean, again, they're all good. But this is another really good one.
Starting point is 00:19:23 You're going like, if you can call a guy good, you're measuring that against a standard in your head of ultimate goodness. Right. Right. There's a range that you're measuring that on. So where does that come from? At some point, there's got to be a top good. A top good. And there's got to be a top bad.
Starting point is 00:19:44 There's got to be a middle. Well, because he doesn't believe in evil. He just believes in less and less. good. The privation of good equals evil. We'll get to that. Yeah, and we're going to get to that because that's very interesting. And that's the part of things where I'm starting to look at life a little differently. But the fifth way. Also Augustin, the puss hound, can we call him that? Yeah. He also believed that. Yeah. So the fifth way is design governance. Natural bodies lacking consciousness act toward specific goals or ends operating according to regular laws. An unthinking object
Starting point is 00:20:13 cannot move toward a goal unless directed by an intelligent being like an arrow shot by an archer, right? The arrow can't just, you got to shoot it. This is good stuff too. Therefore, there exists an intelligent designer or director who guides all natural things
Starting point is 00:20:27 to their purpose. And again, this is God. These are really good. The thing is, this is what made the, this is what, this was his, you know, this was his stand. Right. This was his stand song. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:20:41 Like Eminem had Stan. Yeah. This is his. thing where you just put him on the map these five yeah these five proofs put put him on the map yeah and stick around to the end of the pod because we're going to tell you a mind-blowing fact about him that's something that we just learned about him which is kind of interesting and throws all his ideas on its head but we'll get to that because the only doctor i use is zock doc doc it's the best it's an app it's amazing yeah i use zok doc doc this is an easy sponsorship because we actually use it it's
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Starting point is 00:23:38 So what Yanni brought up is a little thing we like to call here, Pravatiobani. Provati obani. Now, what is that? That's the privation of good. Provattio boni. So what it is, is Aquinas says that evil isn't a thing competing against goodness. He said to think about darkness.
Starting point is 00:23:56 Darkness isn't really a substance you pour into a room. It's the absence of light where light could be. blindness is his other big example. Blindness is bad because sight ought to be present in a healthy human eye. A rock can't see, but we don't call a rock blind because rocks aren't supposed to see. Aquinas here thinks moral evil works similarly. Cruelty isn't some independent metaphysical substance called evil entering someone. It's a failure or corruption of something that is fundamentally good.
Starting point is 00:24:25 Reason, love, justice, properly ordered desire. So, evil. Aquinas would say evil is the absence or probation of good that ought to be there. Right. So he's basically saying this isn't a binary. They're not equal powers. There's not good. No.
Starting point is 00:24:42 And evil. Evil is just the absence of good in the Christian tradition starting with the founder of Christianity. Jesus. J.C. He would say, you know, that would be you're farther away from God. God, your distance from God, and hell is not like a burning, fiery place. It's just the absence of God's life. Yeah, what his whole thing is like, we put a lot of effort on the, and a lot of anxiety and worry on the wrong things. Like, money is not inherently bad. It's one of the goods, but it's a lesser
Starting point is 00:25:18 good. It shouldn't be the most important thing, because if the ultimate goal of being a human being on this planet, most people would agree is just to be happy. Pure happiness is what the achievable goal is. We know that money doesn't buy happiness. We've seen it time and time again, or power or fame or any of these things. But happiness, and he said the only way that you can achieve pure happiness is to be fully connected to God. That is the thing to worry about. Yeah. Because I asked, I asked, you know, about St. Thomas Aquinas.
Starting point is 00:25:47 I said, so, you know, what about his, does he have a theory about anxiety? And he didn't really talk about anxiety back then. I don't know if it was a thing. But your arm has a theory of anxiety. Right. I have a tattooed on my arm. Yeah. And it says.
Starting point is 00:25:59 And it says, in your mercy, keep us free from sin and protect us from all anxiety. And that's what it is. And I had him do it upside down so I can read it in the mirror before, while I'm brushing my teeth. So Aquinas would kind of say that we just worry a lot about the wrong shit. Like, it's okay to worry, but like money is good. Your reputation is a good, he would say. Your reputation is a good. Physical comfort is a good.
Starting point is 00:26:25 Health is a good. Success is a good. But they're limited goods. This is the big thing. they're limited they're not the highest good the money can fade the body can fade the reputation can fade so they're good but they have limits his whole thing is you got to look for the unlimited good and there's only one unlimited good baby and that's the unmovable mover that's love that's the love of god right that's what he would say and he would say all those things are not bad in and of
Starting point is 00:26:51 themselves but if they are pursued without the love of god right then by definition you're existing in that privitation. Right. So he's saying thing you're making a philosophical mistake. If you're treating a lesser good as a priority, that's all he's saying. He's not saying you're wrong. He's just saying you're having worry because, you know, money problems is a lesser good. But I think he's actually saying you are wrong, though. Well, he's, but he tries to be philosophical about it all. But ultimately, he's saying that that's wrong. He's saying like, you, you know, it's part of a larger tradition, too. So this one is not so unique to St. Thomas Aquinas. It's like, you know, because Jesus started the tradition by, you know, one of the disciples was like, give it to me straight.
Starting point is 00:27:34 Right. He was like, give it to me straight. What's the, what is the big thing? Right. And Jesus said, love God with all your heart and love thy neighbor as thyself. Right. So basically the first, the biggest priority is to filter everything through a love of love of love. Because he also said too a lot of things that I, you know, he was basically saying, you know, you can have a, you know, you know, you can have a, you know, you know, know you can have a moral evil and a physical evil. And the moral evils are way worse. So he said, like a physical evil is you stole money. You robbed somebody. The reason why you did that inherently started good. Maybe you needed money to feed your family and you had to do it for a certain reason. Okay. But then what happens is you get addicted to the rush of that or you saw that that worked. And now you become a, now you become a robber or now you become a murderer. That's the moral evil. It's one of those things where, you know, you hear people say this all the time. It's like, you know what?
Starting point is 00:28:28 I don't know. It's just who I am now. Once you hear somebody say that's just who I am now and they're doing something bad, they've been morally eviled. And that's, he said, the worst possible thing because now you've changed as a person. And that's no bueno. Right. So he said, pay much more attention to, am I becoming a bad person because I'm afraid
Starting point is 00:28:47 something bad will happen to me? You know, he said, maybe you lose money. That's unfortunate. But if the fear of losing money, makes you greedy, dishonest or cruel, that's worse. That's the problem. It's so he said, you know, if someone humiliates you, but the humiliation makes you be consumed by hatred, that's the problem. That's, it's not, you know, somebody doesn't like you. That's a pretty small, you know, whatever, external problem. But if you become obsessed with controlling everyone's opinion of you,
Starting point is 00:29:14 now you're allowing a lesser good, your reputation to dominate you. Now you're of a moral problem. These are the issues. And it kind of checks out just common sense, right? Right? Like if you're trying to be liked by everyone, then you are control. It's an impossible task. It's a quixiotic goal because you're basically trying to control the uncontrollable. Well, there's a very- You have no control over how people perceive you. So if you're trying to always do that, you're trying to do something that's just not possible. Well, who said this? And it's one of the greatest comedians of all time. And I think first ballot hall of famer, who said this? I don't know. the secret to success, but I know the secret to failure is trying to please everybody. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:29:58 Who said that? One of the greatest to ever do it, on and off the stage. On and off the stage? Bill Cosby. It's just what it is. Yeah, he didn't really, he wasn't really checking to see if the girls were having a good time. That's just what it was. He's flawed, but he was really good.
Starting point is 00:30:15 I mean, he could make people laugh at 2 o'clock in the afternoon in a stool. He was, you know, anyone, look. And when I said off the stage, I meant his. He's putting commercials. Yeah. That's what I meant. The thing that I, this is an axiom I go by. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:30:29 If you want to be clean and not cursing all that. Because I want to spray you down with some axiom body spray. Spray me down. I think that's absolutely fine. Yeah. If you want to not cursing your hymn, you don't like cuss words. Sure. You don't like cursing.
Starting point is 00:30:41 You want to work clean. All that is fine. Right. But don't try to tell me that that makes you clean. Yeah. That makes you, that that in and of itself is evidence of you being a good. guy. Because you know what words are used for? They're used for expression and they're also used for deception. Yeah. Everyone who's bad always hides under morality. Nobody comes at you and says,
Starting point is 00:31:07 hey, how you doing? My name is Satan Damien. I got triple sixes on my forehead. No. They say, hey, can you give me a lift? I got a broken arm and then they bite your tit off. It's just what it is. It's always a deception. So the easiest way to hide evil is to pretend that you're good. Right. So don't forget that words are also used for deception. Now here's the things, honey. What Aquinas would say is just make sure you're like, just make sure the priorities are in order. He said that's one of the keys is God and ultimate goodness, because remember God is goodness. They have to be at the top. Then virtue, that's big, love of others, and then the good of your soul. And beneath those are all the genuine but temporary
Starting point is 00:31:46 goods of ordinary life, money, status, comfort, possessions, recognition. He's not saying don't go after them. He's never said that. He's just saying they're lesser good, so treat them as such. Don't get bummed out if you don't have a lot of money or don't get bummed out if your reputation. Are you connected with God? Are you practicing good virtue? Because what does he say? He said life is all about habits. Habits, good habits are virtue. Bad habits are vices. But make no mistake, your brain. He knew this in 1235, that the brain is just going to follow whatever its habits that make a man. So that's what it is. Yeah. And so far, heart. to argue a lot of this stuff as far as just a practical guide if you want to alleviate a lot of
Starting point is 00:32:25 unnecessary pain and stress in your life. Right. It's just, you know, it's just what it is because we're, especially with the algorithm in today's world, it's just we have a lot of lesser goods that are, that are, you think there's at the top, lesser goods. It's no, no, no bueno. Now, let's look at some of the critiques. Yeah. Let's look at some of the objections of, um, St. Thomas Aquinas. Let's see what the gallery had to say. Let's see. Let's see what the critics had to say about his five proofs for God. First, we got the quantifier shift fallacy. This was Bertrand Russell, a very famous philosopher, argued that Aquinas. Well, Bertrand Russell sounds like a guy who wants to go to the U.S. Open. He sounds like a guy who would be putting an arm bar if he criticizes your guy, Thomas Aquinas.
Starting point is 00:33:15 Yes, but he's a guy who likes to sit with his legs crossed talking about mini break points. At the U.S. Open with Yonis Pappas. One thousand percent, that's a bingo. It's just what it is. So he says that Aquinas commits a logical fallacy, and that logical fallacy being that every individual thing in the universe has a cause. It does not mean the entire universe itself has a single cause. As Russell famously said, every man has a mother, but the human race does not have a mother. Now, the problem with this was Bertrand Russell said this.
Starting point is 00:33:50 before we discovered or uncovered, however you want to say it, the Big Bang. Right. So that's what I would say as a retort, as what we call rejoined to this, is that we actually do know that the universe has a cause. We don't know what made that happen, but we do know for certain, I mean, as close to certain as you can be, that the universe burst out, we can measure back into the past, and we can see it expanding. And so we are pretty certain that there was a start from an,
Starting point is 00:34:20 infinitely fucking tiny dense bang right pow pow it was a pow it might have been god busting a night it might have been might have been god in his own west garden it's just what it is getting a procedure done yeah we don't know so we got that okay then the next one is the brute fact universe right critics argue that the universe might simply be a brute fact now this one is the best critique in my opinion that it just exists it does not require an external explanation or purpose now that's the only other. To be honest with you, at this point, with all we know, right, with science and everything, those are the two options. And it's real. Or what? Break them down again. Break them down is that the universe has intelligence. So if it has intelligence, that
Starting point is 00:35:06 implies an intelligent designer, because intelligence doesn't form itself. Or it just is. The universe just is and intelligence emerges somehow. I mean, in my mind, it's almost even kind it's hard for me to fucking comprehend but that is the argument my question to you is just to bring it up to you know modern day times i understand what you're saying but my question to you is whether the intelligent designer or just is does that open up the straight of hormusse it could it depends how do we get the straight of hormuz up because people are saying i understand money's a lesser good but guy i'm going to do you to open up the strait we just made a little deal with venezuela where we're going to be taken a little
Starting point is 00:35:50 what they call a VIG off the top. It's just what it is. We went and went, we saw one well was a little backed up, but we went over to another well and we said, hey Venezuela, we heard you guys need some freedom? Yeah. Give us a little oil. Yeah, because I heard that, because I know that Trump is going to, you know, Republicans, they just want to try to hit the gas a little bit here, it caused the finish line.
Starting point is 00:36:11 So I just feel like he's going to hit that nitric oxide button, take off. Because he knows that they're going to have to make a move. So it might just be taking Venezuela to the cleaners. Yeah. Yeah. You know, now with science and quantum physics and astronomy and physics, we know just a lot more. So we do know that there's like, there's governing laws of the universe that we can't see. We also know there's mathematically we know a lot of stuff is there that we can't see, but we know it's there because of math. So there's a, there are a lot of unseen forces governing the universe that we know are there, but we can't see. We can't detect. And there's also some paradox. some sort of paradoxical mechanisms occurring at the most foundational levels of reality. One of those being, you know, the wave particle problem. Right, explain that one.
Starting point is 00:37:05 Yeah, the wave particle problem is a very interesting thing that baffles scientists, quantum entanglement, tanglement baffle scientists, quantum entanglement, which Einstein called the spooky something, I can't remember. He called it spooky because the reason why it was spooky is because I'll just give you the best way to describe it for retarded people like us. Right. You got a particle over here and you got a particle
Starting point is 00:37:28 way, way far away from it. Yeah, they can't see each other. I'm fucking light ears away, right? Right. But they were acting together. Like they were correlating with each other. Right. So Einstein was like, is it, is the information,
Starting point is 00:37:43 what they're connected? Is the information traveling the speed of light? Like, what the hell is going on? So as it turns out, it seems like these two particles are the same but different is the best way to put it is they're they're separated but together okay so in other words they share some underlying essence but they're separate so there's a oneness to them but not as well is the only way to explain it for retards like us right so so but but with that being said st thomas aquinas was probably right
Starting point is 00:38:14 because if they're both moving right like like if one can affect the movement of the other he his it kind of reproves his theory, like there's got to be something. Well, what it suggests or implies. By the way, also, I just want to say this. Through my research, I've been kind of blown away by the fact that I always thought God was made in man's image meant that he looked like a dude. Right. Because I think we all thought that.
Starting point is 00:38:37 Like, oh, he must look like a dude. It means intelligence. It means we're a reflection. Our image means intelligence. Did you fucking know that? No. What do you mean by that? Nobody knows that.
Starting point is 00:38:48 Meaning we're made in his image. meaning he's intelligence, he's love, he has all these, we're a reflection of that. Right. So he made us as a mirror, a reflection, and he gave us an element of it. Right. So we... Because he has that, but why didn't he give it to the animals? We share that.
Starting point is 00:39:05 We share spiritual, moral, intelligence, that, so we share, he made us in our image, meaning he created us out of his outpouring love because that's what love does is create. When you start thinking about some of this stuff logically, it starts getting a little mind-blowing, right? Well, everybody who goes down this road from Isaac Newton to St. Thomas Aquinas to most people, it just reconfirms their belief in God when they start to look for why he's not real. It just confirms it he's real. Well, that's another thing. There are some scientists who don't believe. They're just naturalists. They do their job, right? And they examine. Like, for example, like, oh, you say evolution hurts it. But then you go, evolution is describing a process. But it doesn't mean, it's not implying meaning. Right. So it's just describing a process. So they're not necessarily, it's not necessarily a contradiction. Yeah. Right. It's like it may be a contradiction to the Adam and Eve story perhaps. Right. But it's not a contradiction for God. It's just all you're doing is describing a process. That's what it is. Yeah, that's all you're doing. So, yeah, I mean, if you think about it. So the thinking is, the Christian thinking, I think that St. Thomas Aquinas was working through the filter of is that God is love and goodness. Right. The ultimate. That was one of his...
Starting point is 00:40:21 Yeah, and he also said, you can't get happiness by any finite good. Right. That you just can't. Money goes away, wealth goes away, your body goes away, your reputation goes away.
Starting point is 00:40:29 It's all finite. Only God who's infinite can make you happy. And that's also common sense. Also, the Buddhists say something like just detach from all-worldly shit because it's temporary. It doesn't mean as much as you think it means. Right.
Starting point is 00:40:40 So you see these things start to be common themes. But the Christian is, it's interesting when you think about it philosophically. You think about it logically, actually. You go, all right, if God is ultimate, goodness, right? And he, what does ultimate goodness do? What does goodness do? Right. What does love do? It creates. It's the only thing that creates. What is, what is evil do? It destroys. Right.
Starting point is 00:40:59 So God creates just by virtue of overflowing goodness. Right. Think of what goodness creates. Kids, artworks. Why do you create an artwork? You have a passion for artwork. You have a love for it. Right. That's just the nature of love. Right. to overflow and create. So if you think God is the creator, if you start from there, then you go, what is he? He's ultimate good. Okay, what is ultimate good? Lack of probation.
Starting point is 00:41:24 What is probation? Prevasion means insecurity, fear. Right. Those are all things associated with vulnerability and scarcity that we have to deal with, right? Like me and you, I may start getting insecure you because you get something I don't get or you may have a talent I don't get. Right. So that creates the evil. Because you're coming from a place of scarcity.
Starting point is 00:41:45 I'm coming from a place of scarcity and a place of vulnerability. I can die. I can be hurt. You know, my reality is dictated by vulnerability and scarcity. But if you're ubiquitous, if you're omnipotent, and if you're the highest good, you do not have that scarcity and that vulnerability. So there's only really one emotion left. If all other emotions are created out of scarcity and vulnerability, there's only one thing left.
Starting point is 00:42:11 L-O-V-E. L-O-V-E. And what does love do? It creates. You fall in love with a woman, you create a baby, you fall in love with a basketball, you create art on the court. By its nature, love creates. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:42:25 Even if you fall in love with a guy, you create a musical. You create a musical. Exactly. If you think about it, everything comes from a passion. What is a passion? A passion is a love for something. Yeah. So love does create.
Starting point is 00:42:37 It just does. So as an explanation, logically, if it's true, Right. If these assumptions are true that God is the creator, there is an unmoon mover, it is a God, that God is the ultimate good, that would make sense that he would create. It would also make sense that a goodness would create because that's what goodness and love does. Yeah, and, and, you know, what people say, oh, but then why does evil exist, but blah, blah, because what St. Thomas Aquinas would say is that God, it's a distortion.
Starting point is 00:43:06 It's just a distortion of because he created it and it's just less and less good. So when you get less and less good, there's evil. just like cold is just a word that we have for less and less heat. There is no cold. Its heat is the thing from the universe. And then if there's less of it, we call that cold. That's just what it is. Well, I think in the universe it might actually be the opposite.
Starting point is 00:43:26 No, heat, but it's saying like everything comes from heat. Comes from heat. Well, heat comes from the sun. Right. Right. So what they're saying most of space is cold. It's cold, but they all have some type of star heating it up. But the further and further away, we just call.
Starting point is 00:43:41 that cold. Yeah, you don't got to get too far, unfortunately. That's just what it is. Yeah, you got to, in fact, all you got to do is go up to Northern Canada and it gets cold. It's cold. You don't even have to leave the planet for it to be called. So perceived, so what his whole thing about was perceived good. Every human being has a perceived good. That doesn't mean they're not committing evil acts or things that we would say that's not good. It's just their perception of it was good. So, for example, someone stealing money isn't choosing evil because I love evil. They're choosing something they perceive as good, having the money through a disordered means. Someone committing adultery seeks pleasure, affection, excitement. Those things contain genuine
Starting point is 00:44:17 goods, but they're being pursued contrary to the higher good. So people don't desire evil as evil. They desire a good in the wrong way, at the wrong time, in the wrong proportion, or the expense of a or at the expense of a greater good. So that's why when he talks about, you know, fear has a purpose, anger has a purpose, desire, pleasure, they all have purposes. The problem. The problem. comes when the passion stops being appropriately governed by reason and rightly ordered by desire. So suppose your reason says this possibility exists, but it's unlikely, and there's nothing useful I can do about it right now. But your fear says, solve it right now.
Starting point is 00:44:53 Aquinas wouldn't necessarily tell you to eliminate the fear. The goal is for the reason to remain in command while allowing the emotion to exist. So that's very compatible with some moderate approaches to anxiety, like you don't need the feeling to disappear before choosing how to act. because I want to talk to you about cash app. Okay, here's the thing with cash app. What I like about them is they do more. They do more than you think.
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Starting point is 00:47:27 It's a part of it. just like you're alive in, you know, in this human existence, you're going to feel these, you're going to feel these emotions. But just because you have fear and anxiety, it doesn't mean you're wrong. It doesn't, they're there for some type of good. You just have to figure out what order you're putting them in. You just have to. Right.
Starting point is 00:47:45 The way I interpret what he's saying is, like you said, you're distorting, you're making that the priority. You're kind of making that your God. Your intentions may be good out of ignorance. or whatever it is, self-interest, whatever it is. And the more you do that, the farther and farther away you're getting from the truth. Yeah. And the farther, far you're getting from God.
Starting point is 00:48:08 From God. Because, right. You become it, and you start worshipping it. You become it. And then you're by definition living outside of the truth, which is God. And so you're fucked. It's just what it is. It's where you fuck.
Starting point is 00:48:20 You get further away. But that's why this whole thing is nobody's a villain in their own story. They're all thinking what they're doing is a perceived good. And it's, you know, anybody who's, done any atrocity, typically, if you asked them, they don't really think they were committing evil. It was evil, but they were doing it, you know, because it was a perceived good. It just got distorted, huh? Except for they, they said, except for who Jesus called the prince of this world. Satan. Satan. He says he's the prince of this world. Yeah. He runs this world. Yeah. Now, who he is,
Starting point is 00:48:46 is a fallen angel, supposedly. Lucifer. And so he has, he's got the divinity in him. Right. But he just got, he got, he kind of went the same path. He kind of got, he got, he got, he got, he got, he got it got, you know, he got intoxicated by the power and the amenities. He really liked the amenities of modernity. It's just what it is. And he said, I want to be, I want to beat a big guy. Yeah. And God, so you never can beat a big guy.
Starting point is 00:49:10 Yeah. And he knows he can never beat a big guy. Yeah. So he's just raging against that. And God's letting him rage because for some reason it gives us choice and that make love needs choice. Otherwise, it's coercion. Right.
Starting point is 00:49:24 So you need. So Satan can't hurt you unless you're. you're bargaining with him. Right. Unless you're playing his... And typically we're bargaining with him with our dick. All the time.
Starting point is 00:49:34 That's our bargaining. That should just be a microphone for Satan. Yeah. So he offers you things. He offers you safety. He offers you comfort. He offers you money. Whatever the thing you're kind of like...
Starting point is 00:49:49 If you're putting too much attachment into the world, you're vulnerable to something. That's what it is. So if you're like, I just want comfort. I want safety. I want, then he will offer that to you. Right. Because what he wants you, his ultimate goal is to destroy you.
Starting point is 00:50:04 Just because he's raging. So ultimately, he'll offer the comforts of the world, whatever they may be. I think everyone always thinks it's just money or power or fame. Right. It's not. It's more than that. It's what gives you the tingle. And some people get like the tingle from comfort.
Starting point is 00:50:21 Some people like the tingle from safety. So my question is then, if everybody... As long as you're not loving God, the kid's happy. But if everybody's doing a perceived good, how can you blame anyone for being evil then? If everybody's trying to do good, then it's just like it's just circumstances. You know what I'm saying? I don't really know what you're saying. I think you're trying to wiggle your way out of bad shit.
Starting point is 00:50:41 Like if everybody, my point is, it's like if everybody is St. Thomas Aquinas should say everybody has a perceived good, right? But yet they do evil things. So are they really responsible for the evilness or because they don't know that they're doing. Well, that's where grace comes in. If you know, once you know, I think you're kind of. kind of fucked. Right. I think once you know, I mean, that's actually what greed is, right? So self-interest is not a sin, but if you're pursuing your self-interest to, you know,
Starting point is 00:51:09 aggrandize at the expense of other people, and you know it. That's what you're. Like, oh, this is hurting other people, but we're making so much money from cigarettes. We're going to hide that. Yeah. Then you're knowingly doing it. Right. So it's like, you can only be doing good if you if you can claim ignorance, and then there's grace for you. Once you learn and you have the metanoia and you go, oh my God, like, I didn't know these things before. Right. Then God goes, I get it, dude.
Starting point is 00:51:36 I'm love, baby. Right. I'm here to fucking love you. Right. But if you start playing a devil's game, which is knowingly doing the things, like you know it's bad, but you just can't help it and you want, then you're challenging what the whole system is. But like, who's the better person than say a final wallet?
Starting point is 00:51:53 It's got a thousand dollars in it. Right? I got a G in it. Now I have good moral value say. I'm a guy just know, I immediately know, okay, that's got $1,000 in it. That's not mine. Let me try to get this back to its rightful owner, right? Immediately.
Starting point is 00:52:07 But then the other guy takes the wallet and they say, Jesus, I could really use that $1,000. I need to put some money on the game. My wife threw me out of the house. I got to get, Chrissy, I got to get on the ferry. I could use that $1,000. But you know what? I'm going to do the right thing. And then I'm going to put it.
Starting point is 00:52:21 I'm going to also not touch the money and get it back to the rightful owner. one guy had to kind of overcome some morality clause within them to get the money back, but the other guy just kind of already knows like he's already connected to God. So it's like they're both giving the money back, but one of them had to overcome some. Who's the better guy? Ultimately, and I'm certain of this answer, I don't know. I'll never know. You'll never know, but that guy will know.
Starting point is 00:52:49 Right. That guy will know one way or the other. And if he doesn't, then I think, I think what he's doing is he's attaching a little bit too much to this world. Right. So, I mean, or either he won't or like he won't have open his awareness up, like transcend to greater awareness. Right.
Starting point is 00:53:10 And he'll be stuck as like a, I don't know. Yeah. And I think you have to have reason. I don't think there's a way to know that. I think that's the main thing. But I think God knows. Is you got to know, you basically have to be choosing a lesser good despite having a reason for not doing it.
Starting point is 00:53:24 So you, you know, that's why I think kids are immune to this because they don't really have reason yet. So they don't know if they're doing a bad thing. Like if a kid went over and did something horrible, they really honestly don't know. So for them, it's like, but once you, I don't know when you become a, that's the problem is I don't know when reason comes in to everybody's probably different. So it's a tough, tough thing. But I do think if you know better and you choose the lesser good, that's where the problem is.
Starting point is 00:53:51 I think it may come the problem. And also what I think is, We often do these examples like outwardly, like outward, how they'd appear what it is outside of it. We rarely do as much filter checking. Well, that's where the, we never go, what am I, what's the perspective I'm bringing to this and why? We never kind of checked because basically what Jesus was saying, I think, I believe, this is what I think. Love God with all your heart means your filters right going through whatever. So I think a lot of this stuff starts to become a little less difficult to discern because your
Starting point is 00:54:31 filters in the right place. Right. So I guess that's why he put it. So if you're making these decisions and you're trying to negotiate like you're doing a worldly negotiation, this guy had this, this guy, that. But if your filters in the right place, then the right decisions start to kind of happen and your peace and things just start to happen because of that. Now that's why I think the most important thing is he says.
Starting point is 00:54:53 said you love a god now and now here's the here's the fun part of st thomas a quinus you've made it close to the end before we hit the patron names is at the end of his life st thomas aquinas stopped writing and refused to believe in anything he said because he said he had a vision that he couldn't articulate but that's so you could throw solmas out the fucking window that's not true though that's nothing to do it truth he just no but he did he did not true but he did at the end of his life have some type of revelation where he's like i'm not writing anymore So what happened, yeah, he stopped writing and then he died, which is wild. But he stopped writing it, what he became is magnumopus.
Starting point is 00:55:28 It's not finished. He never finished it, the suma theologica. He never finished it. But what happened was he had this, in his experience, he had this, like, unbelievable spiritual experience. He had an unbelievable spiritual experience. He had an unbelievable spiritual experience that made him so humbled that he called it his works or whatever. He said, as important as straw. He said, I can write no more.
Starting point is 00:56:01 All that I have written seems to me like straw like stubble compared to what I have seen and what has been revealed to me. Yeah, and then the guy was like, what is it? And he's like, he swore the guy to secrecy or something. And he goes, he goes, it was like, it was, he was humbled so much by it that I guess he felt like kid needed a break from whatever. Now, unfortunately... We'll never know what it is because he died. Yeah, but unfortunately, I think I do know what it is because, again, I have been in this situation
Starting point is 00:56:25 and I have said words like... So this is exactly what it is. But I'm just saying, I know what it was. I know for a fact of 1,000% what it was, because, again, I've been there. I've been on the other side of this. A gay thought? I know what I can write no more.
Starting point is 00:56:40 All that I've written seems to me like Straw Bubble compared. There's a pre-imposed. And that's what was presented to them is a little thing I like to call Puss. It happened. So he looked into the, he looked, what happened is the prostitute came back and showed him that puss on a bad day. And he said, I'm choosing the lesser good and I'm putting it in that pussy.
Starting point is 00:56:58 And I can't tell you why, but I'm going to go die now. Yeah. Because what he says, rather than doubting his faith in the truth of Christianity, Thomas experienced a realization of the limits of human concept. His brilliant rational theology was eclipsed by a direct experiential encounter with God's love that humbled him so much that he just wanted to stop. and then he fucking died. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:57:19 So we'll never know what it was, what he saw. But didn't he say something to somebody? Yeah, it was a humble profession of faith. Before dying at Fasanova Abbey, he made a profound and humble profession of faith stating that he had never taught anything against a Catholic church and submitted all his work to its correction.
Starting point is 00:57:38 Right. But what did he say to the guy? Can you look up? Did he swear a guy to secrecy when asked what he saw? I can write no more to the Reginald of Pisa. That's what he said. But then he also said something about like, I got to swear your secrecy or something like that. Yeah, but I don't think anybody really knows.
Starting point is 00:57:53 I don't think anybody really knows or people in the Vatican do know and there's reasons why they can't say it. And I think it always goes back to that this is a prison planet for extraterrestrials. Very possible. They've been imprisoned our souls. I just will never really be able to put our finger on it. But he did swear his secrecy. Yes. St. Thomas Aquinas did swear his secrecy.
Starting point is 00:58:12 Reginald of Pisa to strict secrecy. guarding the intimate details of his final days of mystical experience. Thomas was deeply private about the personal encounters with God, only shared them with Reginald under a solemn vow, which Reginald kept until after Thomas's... What the fuck? It's just what it is. You know, it's like, it's the same thing I have with the apostles.
Starting point is 00:58:32 Could you have asked more questions? Show us a map. Yeah, I mean, if I would have been around in Jesus' time, I would have asked the kids a lot, a lot, a lot of questions, and he probably wouldn't have, there would have been no need to get crucified because the kid would have off themselves. Because you would have chased him to that industry and kept asking questions.
Starting point is 00:58:46 Because I'm a curious kid, I got to know. Yeah, he would have got annoyed with you. Yeah, it's just what it is. He would have smacked me up a little bit. He had revealed he had seen things that made his monumental intellectual work feel like mere straw. So maybe you are right. Maybe he saw it and he goes, oh, that's all bullshit. Who knows?
Starting point is 00:59:02 Maybe he said, you know what? We got to wait for the profit that's coming a couple hundred years later. He's going to get it all right and he's wearing a turban. It's just what it is. So, of course, always at the end of every episode, we go to patreon. dot com slash history hyenas that's where all the fun happens all the the episodes you just heard it is ad free we have bonus content there we have a full another hour episode about a completely different topic our time at the us open and it's real fun we got to do that but we also do have to we can't end
Starting point is 00:59:27 without saying this so reginald did testify later that thomas shared other mystical events under this vow of silence this included an instance where the apostle peter and king david allegedly appeared to Thomas in his room to help him understand a difficult passage in the Isaiah. Book of Isaiah. Yeah, so, but true to word. Yeah, it's going to, yeah. Reginald kept the secret strictly guarded. Yeah, he, until he revealed them during canonization in Korea after Thomas died in 1274.
Starting point is 00:59:58 You know, who the hell knows? He kept his mouth shut, but that's the thing with Italians, they keep their mouth shut. It kept them up, but then he spilled the beans. But he didn't, though. He waited until he died. He waited to die, but even, no, but it says Reginald kept these secrets strictly guarded. He only revealed him during the canonization inquiry after Thomas died. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:00:13 But what did he say? Can you ask what? So what were the secrets that Reginal kept guarded? Yeah. What were the secrets that Reginald kept guarded? And Reginald's a good name. And every time I hear the word Reginald, it makes me think of an overweight black man. That would be-been-happ.
Starting point is 01:00:29 It would be funny if you just said, guy, come here. Yeah. We're in deep with this shit, but I had a true revelation. It's all bullshit. Okay. Yeah. So it says kept closely guarded, primarily concerned supernatural interventions, heavenly visitations, and the exact reason why Thomas abruptly stopped writing the Summa Theologe. So yeah, there's nothing. So what does he really say? He doesn't say anything. Keep scrolling down. Nothing. Late night, heaven. Testify Thomas talking to people. Holy shit. Original testified to hearing Thomas talking to people in his room late at night. Oh, no, a kid might have been having a hallucination. Yeah, when he, because somebody, or maybe he was on the same.
Starting point is 01:01:09 blood pressure medicine my father was on. That's very possible. When you start seeing, when my father would see a black family sitting at the edge of his bed every night. Yeah, when no one else was there, when press under the vow of secrecy, Thomas admitted to Reginald that he received direct assistance from heavenly figures to solve complex theological problems, the Isaiah miracle. While struggling to understand a highly difficult passage in the book of Isaiah, Thomas fasted and prayed intensely. Reginal testified that St. Peter and King David appeared in room to explain the text to him. Reginald heard the voices through the wall but had to swear not, he could have been talking to the to the toot. Well, it says Reginald was a primary witness to the famous
Starting point is 01:01:48 event in Naples where a crucifix spoke to St. Thomas Aquinas. Wow. While Thomas was praying deeply before an image of Christ to figure on the cross, miraculous he spoke saying, you have written well of me, Thomas, what reward will you have? To which Thomas replied, nothing but you, Lord. While others in the convent eventually suspected something miraculous had happened, reginald held the intimate firsthand details of Thomas's profound emotional and spiritual reaction to that affirmation. Shortly before his death, Reginald revealed that the Virgin Mary appeared to Thomas, according to Reginal's later testimony, the Blessed Mother gave Thomas complete comfort and absolute certainty regarding the soundness of his theological doctrines, his life's work,
Starting point is 01:02:22 and his final perseverance in faith before his soul left his body. Wow. That's just what it is. So who knows? Maybe if you're really good, you get the, you get the, you get the appearances, they come and they say, what's up. It's what it is. That'd be nice. I mean, listen, who kind of get called, yeah. The fuck knows. But, you know, in conclusion, it's a, I think it, you know, it's good. I want to speak it in line, in conclusion. In conclusion.
Starting point is 01:02:45 I think it's very interesting now this. I think a lot of people are, I think a lot of people are like looking at a lot of this stuff, you know, and rethinking it. Right. I think a lot of it. So much has changed with the industrialization and science. As science emerged and became dominant and became. dominant and became a lot of people started worshiping science right but science can never really ultimately tell us if there's a meaning behind all this or not right you know it's just all it can
Starting point is 01:03:19 do is explain to us the natural world yeah because at the end of the day you know it goes back to you know what for christianity specifically maybe you're jewish or muslim and and there's different words here but i think it's all you got to have faith you just got to have faith and that's what it is and and and just be connected to god and you know it's not going to take the pain pain away or the anxiety way, but at least, you know, there's a light at the end of the tunnel, hon. Or maybe it will take the pain of the anxiety away. I don't know. I don't know. Yeah. But what I do know is, is we have new members of the matriarchy, and I'm really excited that you guys are a part of this show, and we're having a lot of fun and make absolutely no mistake. Some of these names are funny, and some of these names are snoozers. And that's just the way the cookie crumbles. And St. Thomas Aquinas would just say, choose the one that is the least amount. Choose the one that's the better good.
Starting point is 01:04:06 Right. A water department kid here for no cackles, mostly Matt, sick rich, it burns when I fart. So I'm on the list. Yeah? Kids guys when I fart. Yeah, that's what I'm implying. Yeah. Drew Finorelli, who's a real nice sauce monkey.
Starting point is 01:04:22 Sauce monkey award. Then we got Turbo Herbo. Okay. Then we got Left My Asian newborn. Wait, Jesse really like Turbo Herbo. You like Turbo Herbo? Give it a chicken finger. Then we got Left My Asian newborn at the orphanage, aka Ding Dong Ditch.
Starting point is 01:04:33 There's too many ding dong ditch. That one's already done. DW. Then we got, fuck you, Sarah. You Leroy lover, it's me, Tim. Stop it. Sorry about that. She needs Christ.
Starting point is 01:04:43 Then we got Yamaka with hair. Razzle, dazzle 1337, Anthony Kapoorilo, Cristobal Grasiano, my Fauci-Aouchi made my peepee weepy. Andy, Jessica Carrey-on, D.N. Christian Powers. Then we got, you can put your tits away. I'm just not going to come, guy. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:05:07 Put him on. list. Yeah, it's just one it is. Put him on the list. It just didn't work. He gave it a whirl. I like the ones where you have either you visualize or there's a backstory. Right.
Starting point is 01:05:18 So what's basically happening there is a kid tried trance. Yeah. And it just, he was seeing if you liked it. Yeah. And it didn't work for him. So he said, you can put your tits away. It's just not working. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:05:28 It's not all it's fucking. It's not all it's cracked up to be. It was not a gold's crack. Mary T. Josh Janus. Mojo Go. Javier Bueno. Nick Thompson.
Starting point is 01:05:37 Ulcergardo 9, Eric Garcia, Franks and Beans gave me trouser chili. Trouser chili is good. That's a good one. That's a chicken finger. Yeah. Using Adderall to mansplain to women faster. List it.
Starting point is 01:05:51 Yeah. List it. There's a lot of reasons to take drugs, and that's another one. Tom and Christina split like the hyenas. That's more of a fact. That's more of a fact. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:06:01 And I was the war. I'm Christina. Yeah. Patch. Megan Gallagher, Peter DeConzo, Sweet Bloods, Jerry. Janice's Grecian secretion completion, a.k.a. Szeke sauce.
Starting point is 01:06:14 Almost. Yeah. With the Grecian, Sizek. He was on to something. Yeah. I'm going to directsler it. All right. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:06:21 Call me the Special Olympics because I'm running tardy. Kids late. Lada 14. That's have to be somewhere, no? We have to honor it, unfortunately. Yeah, we have to honor it. You know, we're going to honor it. Yep.
Starting point is 01:06:36 Can't put on this where we're on it. Yeah. We're going to honor you. The phillotates shrank Yanni's eye taint. Okay. Mr. Newhouse, Nick Rivinelli. Chrissy's foot looks like the frisbee that does my taxes. Biking.
Starting point is 01:06:50 I guess he's not a beautiful man. It's just what it is. Michael Perez, Nick Cochran, Big Red, Nikki Chaos, Lance, a lot of dings in the hood. The Merry Man Druid, Crouching Tiger Hidden Penas, Dylan Larkin. My mental health is as strong as McGregor's ACL.
Starting point is 01:07:07 This means it's broken right now Yeah Yeah Remember the tight ones Instead of the Titans Yep Squeak who loves You do always remember the tight ones
Starting point is 01:07:16 Yeah My father did in Korea Yeah Squeak who loves baseball I call my asshole a bunt Okay Butt chugging peptides On the neutrals
Starting point is 01:07:27 Yeah Sometimes that's what you got to do Join me Uh Learoy's Trust Me Fund Okay Brock Shnovner Ignacio Talavera
Starting point is 01:07:37 Annalisa Orozario, sit while I pee to line up to the glory hole. Sit while I pee to line up to the glory hole. Okay. She left me for Leroy, call her Jane Goodall. Oh my God. Oh, my. Way song she ain't. Sorry.
Starting point is 01:07:56 What happened to Jane Goodall? Chrissy. Chrissy. It's probably one of the worst ones we've ever had. Yeah? Yeah. What did Jane Goodall do? You know, it's funny.
Starting point is 01:08:06 I just said I like the ones that make you make connections and visualizations, and then I get rewarded by devil himself. Yeah. You don't get it. What's Jane Goodall? Think about who Jane Goodall was. Do you remember who Jane Goodall was? She's the one of the most...
Starting point is 01:08:19 She's the one that works with like lions and stuff and the... Keep going. Keep going. Monkeys? Corrillas? That's right. Chimpanzees. And one of them killed her?
Starting point is 01:08:28 No. She went to the jungle to study chimpanzees. That's bad. It's really bad. That's not okay. It's not okay. There's no way that's going up in lights. What I want to give him is the most racist one we've ever had a ward.
Starting point is 01:08:43 That's what I want to give him. Yeah. Okay, let's just move on. So we got Justin D. I hate when they use talent for bad. Yeah. Justin D's nuts. Then we got my piece is small, but you wouldn't like it as a nose.
Starting point is 01:08:58 Connor Duncan, Mason McGruder. I'm cuckoo to Cocoa Puss. Flatch Comber. I got a rash from a guy named Rashid. what it is it's unexplained it's not 12 inches but it smells like a foot
Starting point is 01:09:13 those were back-to-back Drexlers yeah Herman the jizzler Giovanni Duranchio box sniffa Rubin Portugal Dave Reiki
Starting point is 01:09:29 Sam Tryin Topoulos just here for the jokes the three Muska Queens A.K. Rinaldo's glue gun crew adult store DVD booth too many frisbees at the bowling alley turns me into Adolf Pinler He went for something
Starting point is 01:09:44 Buddy Longacre Six months of yoga Now my tongue can touch the tip Put him on the list That's what it is Yeah put him on the list Okay He went in with a purpose and achieved
Starting point is 01:09:53 I'd call that black belt in yoga Yeah Anthony Filon Christopher Cuck Lumbus Okay that's a chicken finger Leroy Korean Called Kim Jung Jamal Casey Anthony's trunk stains
Starting point is 01:10:07 Oh my God Yeah it's bad Lad of 14 All right So here's the list We had an okay list Let it off It burns when I fart
Starting point is 01:10:18 Okay Then we have you can put your tits away I'm just not gonna come guy That's my guy Using Adderall to mansplain To women faster That's another good one Or six months of yoga
Starting point is 01:10:28 Now my tongue can touch the tip Another good one So okay So what we have to What was the first one again It burns when I fart These I like them all That's got to go.
Starting point is 01:10:37 You think that we got Drexor that? Yeah, because I think... We have stronger ones. Yep. You can put your tits away. I'm just not going to come, guy. Using Adderall to mansplain to women faster or six months of yoga. Now my tongue can touch the tip.
Starting point is 01:10:49 I mean, to me, it's just one clear winner on this one. Okay, well, we're going to Drexler the yoga. Right. I mean, respect for you. I do really respect you. I respect what you did. I respect the service you put into your craft. Right.
Starting point is 01:11:01 So now we got two. You could put your tits away. I'm just not going to come guy. or using Adderall to mansplained to women faster. One real simple chicken finger. It's a chicken finger versus, you know, one that has a little more meat on the bone. Yeah, I personally like you can put your tits away.
Starting point is 01:11:16 I'm just not going to come, Guy, because it tells a story. It tells a story. Yeah, it's like a haiku, yeah. Sometimes you just got to go with the haiku. Yeah, I agree. That one. Go to History Aeaniz is back.com to see your name up in lights. Today's winner, you can put your tits away.
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