Hodgetwins Podcast - Candace Owens & Hodgetwins Comb Over All The Details of Charlie Kirk's Murder & The Aftermath...

Episode Date: August 14, 2026

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Hodge Twins Podcast Yeah Before we get started I wanted to give our condolences to you I know you and Charlie were really close so I can't imagine what this has been like for you

because when we saw what happened it was very traumatic for us and we only met them a couple times Yeah I probably spoke maybe 100 words to Charlie but it felt like I lost a family member that day Yeah I think a lot of people felt that which was really interesting

like the impact of his assassination, I think, was not like anything we've ever seen. I actually met you guys through Charlie. Do you remember that? Right. Yes, I remember that. Charlie and I were doing something, and we had you guys speaking. Exactly. Washington.

Yeah, in Washington, D.C. Yes, yes. Mm-hmm. Man, wow. So it's been a time. Where were you when that tragedy happened at the time? Well, I was here. I was upstairs prepping for my podcast show.

We were just going to do a regular episode and Savannah came downstairs and said, you know, Charlie's been shot. Yeah, it was a, it was just, it's just so crazy. I didn't even, I couldn't even comprehend what she was saying. Right. Obviously, we just immediately canceled the show and sent everybody home. Exactly. We did the exact same thing. So from a moment I found out he had been shot, we went to trying to find out if he's okay.

And then when I saw the, the video, I just, we could, I couldn't function for like three days. just went on yeah the majority of the world except for turning point USA i think felt that way which is remarkable i think everybody shut things down didn't do things the next day the day after and i just there was something almost like spiritual about what happened and i the amount of emails that i've received to the exact same effect of how impacted people were and they some people who had never even heard of him you know people that have never been to the united states and they just something about that video and the way that he died. And we've obviously seen a lot of violence and a lot of crimes over the years, but that was something different.

Right, right. Now, I want to get to talk to you about your show. Like, it's been a lot of people attacking you on your work about Charlie Sassanates. It seems like they really misunderstand what your show is about. Like, from my perspective, you're making, you're not making any declarations about who killed him or what happened. It's like you're putting out things that you're following like leads. and then you putting that out to the public to share with everybody what's going on and what information you have.

Am I right about that? Yeah, it has been very strange to see the immediate reaction that people had, some people, I would not say the majority opinion, obviously, but the people in media were certainly offended at the prospect of people investigating what happened on that day, which to me, signals that there was a foregone conclusion and that foregone conclusion was Tyler Robinson did it and he acted alone and you could just see that there was a lot of money that was backing this idea that to even investigate anything regarding what happened on

September 10th was a sin greater than what happened on September 10th it was unbelievable right and it looks like a lot of these attacks are coming from the right, which is shocking to me. Yeah, it's like they've been trying to, lately they've been trying to label you as a grifter and just trying to discredit you as a grifter. Yeah. To be honest, it has not been the right, but it has been the Zionists on the right. Oh, okay. Yeah, that's a huge distinction. Which is a huge distinction, yeah, because I think the right has been infiltrated by the never-Trumpers. And sure, they call themselves the right, but they're not.

They're just the pro-Israel. They have to be on the left to support Israel. Then though on the left, you know, they were happy to try to assist Hillary Clinton in winning back in 2016, because they were so virulently anti-Trump. But now they love Trump. And even though they wanted to Sanchez, they love Trump. And so we're just dealing with neocons. And there's nothing actually conservative about them.

You know, they have some talking points. I'd like lower taxes, but then they are pro-war all the time, which obviously makes entirely no sense. Yeah. They have, there has definitively been, you could see what the line is. If you support Israel, you do not support the investigation into who killed Charlie Kirk. I wonder why. Right. It's almost like they're scared what you're going to find, whether it's going to be something, you know, nefarious and turning point or it's going to eventually lead to Israel.

That's the, that's the just I get from it. It's like they're scared that you're digging, that you're asking a question. That's like one of Charlie's biggest motto is like, keep asking questions. That's how you know we're still free. And it's like they're going away from what Charlie really wanted turning point to become. Yeah. And to be clear, Charlie died allowing people to ask him questions to prod narratives. And they're trying to convince us that his legacy will only be protected if we all agreed not to ask any questions about how he's

died, which doesn't make sense. And they've, despite having tons of money and financing that sort of psychological operation, it has failed. It has failed because people realize that what is obvious is they are not upholding any of the values that Charlie held dear. And free speech would be primary among them, the values that he held dear. And so it has been an interesting time. And I agree with you, most people were not comforted by the fact that people, people, you, that people, Netanyahu felt it necessary in the immediate aftermath to declare that he didn't kill Charlie Kirk. That was evil. And that he, it was very strange.

I don't know if you felt the need to say that on your podcast. I didn't feel the need to come out and say that on my podcast. It's not a normal thing to feel that you need to declare immediately after somebody is shot and killed that you didn't kill them unless you most certainly did. Right. Yeah. Like I was really upset when it happened because, what, a couple months, a few months before it happened, there was a man on the roof to try to take out President Trump.

It's like, that's the first thing I would look at as the security. If I was security for Charlie, was to always keep an eye on the roof. It's like common sense. How does someone get up on the roof? How do they allow something like that to happen? Because if anybody is going to try to take someone's life, it's always going to be from a distance. Right.

Yeah, that's exactly right. And when we obviously were then subjected to Brian Harpoles, a very unconvincing interview with Sean Ryan. He shows one text message. That's not even his. It's actually Dan Floods. And he says, look, we asked about roof access. And we got one response that said, yeah, I'll look into that for you.

And that's all they did. And as I was investigating, I determined that they absolutely were only referring to that walkway that was behind Charlie. They never came early. They never did a walkthrough. The only thing they were concerned about and they kept insisting to the UVU police. was that they wanted to make sure that Charlie's car had a clean exit. That was their primary concern. The university had advised against Charlie doing an event outside in that location because of the fact that they could not control traffic flow. So that makes sense. If we can't

check your tickets and make sure you're here for this event and know who you are, you're a sitting duck. And despite this, a turning point insisted that that's what Charlie wanted. He wanted to be outdoors. And so they even declined the security recommendations from both the police and UVU. So it's, it's, that's amazing. Definitely is very strange. Yeah. I mean, when you work with Charlie, I mean, he didn't build that organization alone. It's like you had a big part in that. When y'all went to these, these Q&As, how, how, how effective was security? I mean, I would think I would have, like, president level security. that event was nothing like anything i had ever seen they allege on the turning point side that charlie had

done uh some outdoor event i think it was here actually in tennessee and he had then loved that sort of coliseum set up the amphitheater set up so much that he wanted that going forward so that was something recently that they said um that he was demanding obviously no of course basic security protocol if I said, I really want this, the security team would say, well, you really can't have this because it's just not secure. And everyone is telling you not to do this. And clearly, what Charlie wanted, Charlie didn't get at his organization. You could see that even in terms of how they were controlling who could come speak. So the idea that this one thing, they allowed him to push through and say, oh, no, he's got to have that coliseum setup doesn't ring true to me. It seems like

somebody else was pushing for that. Of course, the security could have said to him, no, especially because he's contracting them and their reputations are on the line. There was no pushback at all. There was only push forward on the Turning Point USA side, the security apparatus. Typically, of course, there's traffic control. There are tickets. They know who's buying those tickets and people are reserved. So that was just all completely violent.

Anybody could have walked up and sat down in that event if they wanted to. everything that I saw, even from Terrell being there, was the first time if that's ever happened. He's the guy who notoriously filmed himself after Charlie got shot and said Charlie's dead within two minutes. And then right after that, rather than running toward this person

that he's worked with for over a decade or calling 911, it's amazing. None of them thought to call 911. He runs down to remove the cameras. And so one of my first questions was why was Terrell there? I've done tons of events. Terrell doesn't go to these school events. And they said,

well, we were trying something new that day. Like what? At assassination? Like, I don't, what were you trying to do? You don't try things new in the middle of a Q&A. And even stranger is that Terrell, they were trying something new that day, but don't forget they had scheduled Charlie to have an event just 10 days later at UVU. He also had an event later that week at Colorado.

Terrell wasn't slated to be there. So they were not just trying something new. They were trying something new for just one day that required. there was no communication between Terrell and the events team for the events that were in the immediate future. There was no security planned for the event that Charlie had the very next day at Colorado. There was no communication. So it's almost like the security knew that that event was not going to take place. After his death, everyone noticed the left and the right how Erica was grieving. Like at his funeral, when she came out to those parot techniques and the way

where she was dressed, I was really, I bit my tongue. I thought it was weird, but everybody greased differently. And I fanned into that. Everybody greys differently. I don't think anybody grieves like that. It's one of these things, these like psychological trips, a tricks, pardon, that they always argue in the extremities, right? So it's like everybody, when they're growing up, like, you know, you're, you're, you're,

a girl or a boy when you're born, right? And then they'll be like, but what about this percentage of people that are actually born in their hermaphrodite? That therefore means that, you know, gender dysphoria is real because this could have happened. And you're like, oh, please stop arguing in the extremes. Like you are not an exception. There is this whole realm of rules. And let's stop arguing with the exceptions. Okay. Right. Personally, the only exception that I have seen to the rule of grieving in this manner with the pyrotechnics and the glitter and the laughter is Erica. Now, I've seen other ways of grieving as in people who just, you know, don't want to be seen for a while or people who drink. You know, there's all these other ways that people grieve,

people who get into drugs, whatever it is. But generally, we recognize as humans what is within the realm of normal grieving. And this was the first time I've seen it done in this way. way, especially when you add into the fact that this was a public execution. And the entire world had a normal spiritual response to that, as we discussed earlier, we would therefore expect, since people who did not know Charlie could not get out of bed, that you would perhaps expect that of his wife. And then if you remove that part, if you remove the CEO, maybe, okay, some people want to throw themselves into work, it certainly helps me to get back to some sense of normalcy, not in that regard of wanting to become the CEO of the chairman of a company.

But even if you removed all of that, I think the part that no one can make an excuse for is not instantly worrying about the safety of your kids. If you just watch your husband be assassinated and you realize, my kids only have one parent left, and I don't know how this happened, your natural instinct is to not leave your children's side. Right, great point. And so I think that to me was the loudest part. you know, have your pyrotechnics.

Say you want to be the CEO, but to be present and at the office every day, days later, that doesn't track. Right. Yeah. You released a voicemail of Erica talking to, I forget who she was talking to,

but she was sharing some of the financials over the funeral of Charlie and how much money they made. It's just, it sounds like she was gloating about the money and she didn't really care about, I mean, I don't know. I'm not trying to offend anybody. It's just like you, you was happy about the money and how good it went.

And your husband's passes. It's like you almost forgot about your husband because it was a financial success. So I just tell you how I experienced that call. I was spiritually disturbed by it. That's the truth. And everyone was. I didn't need to contextualize the call. The call was, this is 11 days, not even two weeks after your husband was assassinated.

you are referring to the memorial as the event of the century and discussing how much money you made off of selling t-shirts and hats. And then it almost felt like it was obligatory for her to then realize, oh, I should say something about Charlie. It's like, oh, Charlie's dancing in heaven. He's like, get to work. And then he's just, he's up there and he's like more hats. I feel like if he's up there, he's probably like, please figure out what happened to me.

because they're lying to you, obviously, if we're doing that. So that contrast and sort of what I really felt from it was emotional manipulation. They were manipulating people to think that it was almost like divine that they were part of this turning point family. And we've experienced this together. And the best way that we can cope with this tragedy is to work harder and to work longer days and weekend and 20 hours. because that's what Charlie would want. Like, that's what makes Charlie dance in heaven. It made me feel disgusted to listen to it.

If I'm being frank, as even if you didn't know Charlie, that was the general feeling. Yeah, like, screw the hat, screw the hat, screw the money. I'd rather have my husband. Right. Like, why are you even saying these things? I was even expecting like, okay, if you're going to say, like, if that's me and I'm like, I'm going to get to work. And for me, I then got obsessed because at first I couldn't watch.

the clip. My husband didn't let me watch it. So I saw the clip from afar from getting shot, but I did not see the clip of him up close, and I'm glad he didn't let me watch that because I wasn't, you know, I couldn't have dealt with that. It was a lot. Then I watched it obsessively, and I watched every single angle,

and I organized, you know, this angle from the side left. And so my work was dedicated to trying to figure out what happened that day, who was there? What are the names of the people? Even if she had jumped on that call, the one that was five days later, before the event and said, here's what we're going to do. Like the events team, I want a list of every person that was there.

I want this. I want this. I want that. I want to know every single minutes. Terrell, you bring me the tapes. Then I would say, okay, she's getting to work to solve who killed her husband. But it wasn't that. It was like, I fully accept the narrative on day five. Here's what we're going to do. We got a plan for the memorial. That's missing. You can't skip that process. You can't skip it. And looking at Vanessa Bryant, Kobe Bryant's wife, she went through all of the right emotions. She was suing everybody. She was angry. She was aggrieved. There were no pyro techniques at the memorial event. Even the differences in her speech, like Erica is talking about turning point, what turning point is going to be. You didn't get to learn who Charlie was

in that speech. It was like he was just a company. And Vanessa's speech, she talks, she speaks about her daughter and all the things she's going to miss about her daughter, things that we didn't know about Kobe. Like we were invited into that because we knew him as basketball player, but this was her husband and she spoke about what it was like not knowing that she wasn't going to be there when Gianna got married. And I say to people, you should challenge yourself to go watch Vanessa's speech and then compare it to Erica's Memorial speech and you will see what is missing here.

Right. Right. It doesn't seem real. But the way you explained yourself, and like, I just wanted to show the human side of you because I see the tax people trying to make on you. It's like you genuinely want to find out who killed your best friend. That's the vibe I get. And from what I see from the people on the right, I mean, I'm not going to call them on the right. I would say Zionist, usual first Republicans.

But I think it's, if you were getting 10,000 views and wasn't making any. money while you were doing it. I don't think they would have a problem. I think they're pretty much pissed off at your success. Yeah. Because, but you were having a lot of great success before this Charlie Kirk incident happened. Right, right. In Toronto, every arrival is a statement, and nothing says it better than this. Cadillac Optic was the number one selling luxury EV in Canada for 2025. Find your rhythm across a seamless 33-inch display and an immersive 19 speaker AKG surround audio system. This city demands agility and Optic delivers with precision to make every drive, extraordinary. Let's take the Cadillac. Find out more at Cadillac canada.ca. Luxury sales claim based on

S&P Global Mobility Canadian New Vehicle Total Registrations for calendar year 2025 for the Cadillac definition of luxury. Yeah, I mean, that was, they have nothing to judge me on. And that's what they're really upset with is these are the people that actually tried to grift off of his death. They sold T-shirts. They sold hats. I mean, Turning Point USA made a quarter of a billion dollars in a couple of months. So it isn't, it's just stunning that Erica sits up on Fox News and she says to people that are making, uh, tens and thousands of dollars on YouTube, okay, quarter billion grift. Like, are you kidding me? Like, that's just wild to me because they were referring to YouTubers, even that were speaking about, like the ballistic ones that were going viral. She's like, do you understand how much

money they're making? I'm like, yeah, no, actually do you understand how much money they're making? Because it's a drop in the bucket compared to what turning point you have. USA has made. Like they're trying to make it seem like everybody on YouTube now went from making zero dollars to hundreds of thousands of dollars or something like that, which couldn't be further from the truth. Our podcast was already top 10 globally. Don't forget, this is part of why Brigitte is suing me because she's saying that my podcast was successful only because I found out that she has a penis, right? Like, I can't be everyone to keep saying this when I did the Kamala Chronicles and we were top three globally at the end of last year. They were like, oh, it's only because

of the election. And then when the Blake lively series went viral and Blake lively's people issued a statement, it was like, oh, it's only because of Blake lively. It's like, calm down. Like, calm down, narcissist. It's because I'm dedicated to investigating things and I'm passionate about. And you could not have stumbled upon something that I am going to be more passionate about than finding out what happened to Charlie because, and I explain this to my husband, it felt like there was a part of my political life, like a political innocence that died with Charlie. You know what I mean? And that's why I go back to this, looking back to these texts of, oh, my God, oh, Charlie, Don Jr.

just followed me. Eric Trump just followed me on Instagram. Oh, my gosh, this is amazing. Like, you know, in the future, we might be invited to speak on CPAC stage. Like, oh, we sound like kids. And because we were in a way, we were political kids. And we didn't understand how deep and how evil and I guess how dangerous politics could become. And so I had to mourn that, too.

like this was recognition that this actually happened and the people who should be protecting Charlie and who he gave his life to are silent. So yeah, you stumbled upon. You already knew I liked to investigate evil and then you created, you committed an act of evil that was personal to me. So surprise, I'm here.