Hodgetwins Podcast - Candace Owens & Hodgetwins Wonder Why Are Matt Walsh & Micheal Knowles Still With Daily Wire...

Episode Date: February 17, 2026

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Hodge Twins Podcast Yeah How does it feel, Kenness, Ben, you was at one point number one and you fluctuating

between one and ten top ten globally in podcasts. How does it feel to, you know, after what happened at Daily Wire when they gave you a show and said it was uncountable

and then you started to make criticisms that they didn't like and then they canceled you essentially. I mean, how does that feel? Yeah. Because that had to be

It feels amazing. Yeah. It gets into this, I mean, it's almost biblical, right? It's like Satan will always tempt you with money. And it is instantly gratifying to say, I can give you millions of dollars, but you have to be immoral or you have to shut up on immorality. And the majority of people are willing to make that deal because it's in your face and the money is being offered to you and it's guaranteed versus the unknown.

The unknown is scary. Like not knowing something is scary. And like I said, goes back to biblical, the idea of the forbidden fruit of knowledge, right? You know this. And so you're tempted by it and you're going to bite into it versus like I'm going to be ignorant here, but trust, trust God. And I felt that came to me on the topic of Gaza. And it wasn't just like they fired me. They tried to ruin my life.

I mean, they were behind pressuring, turning point not to have me speak. So Charlie and I were discussing that. What was going on behind the scenes? That was very much them. the Zionist lobby getting canceled from touring. They didn't even want me to be able to make an income outside of podcasting. They got my YouTube demonetized. They organized a campaign to mass report my YouTube right when I was starting it.

And we dealt with every bloat. It's just one day at a time. And so when we were, which was pretty instantly at the end of Q4 of last of 20204, like instantly in the top three podcasts, in the U.S. and then top 10 globally by, I think, July of last year, it felt amazing. And I said, you know, we should really just take time to reflect and that we survived this and we survived it by doing the right thing. And I want people to know that. That, yeah, there's insecurity and not knowing what's on the other side of things.

I've been there. I felt it. It is scary. It kind of feels like a rug is being pulled from under your feet. But you can choose to do deals with Satan or you can trust God. And I would strongly recommend the latter. Yeah. You think that's why Ben Shapiro was like infatuated with you? Bro, he has every Standis Cup. I know he does. He watches my show like this.

Yeah, it seems like they're making a show dedicated to attack you. Yeah, that's nuts. It's crazy. It's insane. It's like gang stalking. Right. But, you know, I go back to what I said at my show the other day, Like, you have to understand, like, when you do deals with Satan, like, he's not the creator.

He is constantly trying to rebel against the creator, so he can't create. And so when these people get rid of people that are good and godly, Charlie, got rid of me because I said, yeah, I know you can't just mass murder kids. Genocide is always wrong, I think, was notoriously what I said. That started the whole thing, got the whole snowball rolling down the hill. But, yeah, so what are they stuck with? bringing back my old channels, like, still trying to like, please, I don't, I can't create anything of value. Let me try to make fun of her. And they don't even do that well.

Like, they're not, their memes aren't funny. Yeah. Because you just don't have the creative flow. That's what happens. Matt Walsh, Michael knows. I'm not sure how close you got to them while you were at the Daily Wire. Why do you think they're still with the Daily Wire and they're not on their own? I've asked myself that question.

What I can say is yes. I had great relationships still do. Matt, Michael, Brett Cooper, who did get out of there, gratefully. And you never know what someone else's burden is. I mean, I know what I went through. And like I said, it wasn't easy. If I'm putting myself in Matt Walsh's shoes, like I said, it's a known known. He's able to work from home.

He has six kids. I think men carry different burdens than women do. And so I try not to read into it too much. much. But I do know that they are good people. And I've had a good experience with them. They never did anything wrong to me ever. They did never waded into the territory of doing anything wrong to me when I was going through all that stuff. So, you know, I have enough enemies. I don't need to make any more. And I'm always praying for them. You know, they're also my brothers and sister in Christ as well. So I pray for them all the time. Right. It seemed like very good Christians,

but Ben, he seems very vindictive. Like, you don't want to cross that man's path. Hey, I want to switch up a little bit. What do you think about that Alex Preti shooting when they shot him nine times in the back, an unarmed man? It's funny. I was just doing this interview, speaking about that over on a Russian show.

And I would like more time to process that because first and foremost, if you had asked me this question back in 2016 when I actually thought that our government, you know, Trump's going to take over. This is going to be about law and order. And it's going to be so great because we're going to have troops go after all these criminals. I probably would have been like, yeah, you can't do this to, like, I don't know who's controlling our military. I'm still stuck at who killed Charlie Kirk. And there's a lot of military implications. So you can't expect me to root on a government body. When he's like, oh, I'm going to, in D.C., he deployed, I'm saying NATO in my brain, the National Guard in D.C.

And I was going, I don't like this because Israel's controlling Trump. So that means they're at the helm of our military. And so that's kind of the exercise that I'm constantly going through in my head when these things happen. Like, of course, I have always had respect for law enforcement. And And of course, you can see how enraged this woman is. And like these people are, I'm talking about the one that drove further to Minnesota. And that became a scandal. And then you had this guy Alex Pretty and it seemed like he was definitely engaging. But I just need more time to process what's actually happening in this country because I'm now considering greater costs than what's in front of our face.

And yeah. So I don't know where I'm at and all that. I haven't spent much time looking at what's happening in Minnesota. because I think a lot of it is being blown up in the media because they don't want us focused on Charlie Kirk's assassination. Right. Like Jimmy Doer had an episode the other day, and I'm not sure how I can process this. I don't know how true this is, but it seems like it's crew. He said there's a bunch of IDF soldiers working as ICE.

Yeah, former IDF soldiers. Yeah, former. That's true. And they're being trained in Israel. So I think the goal is to make us root for ice, and what we're going to get is the IDF, and I'm not going to do that. So that is true. It is 100% true that we have IDF, and there are some current IDF soldiers, like Israeli

citizens that are working for ice. And why? Because we're talking about the border. We're talking about the number one traffickers in the world are in Tel Aviv, okay? And I sense that that's what's happening down at the border and that they are tried, to create an issue that makes us root on ice because they're planning on taking over ice. So trying to figure out how to thread that needle while making it clear that I do support law enforcement.

Right. And there are tons of brave men and women. Right. That's not for our military. But I do not support the corruption of our military, which has been going on for decades. Right.