Hodgetwins Podcast - Diddy & Cassie's MALE ESCORT Gives ALL The Details... | Twins Pod - Episode 74 - Sharay Hayes

Episode Date: July 18, 2025

The entire Diddy Saga has taken the world by storm, and there are a lot of crazy stories and memes that have come from it. Sharay Hayes aka The Punisher is one of Diddy and Cassie's personal escorts and he tells us all about their kinks, the way he got connected with them and of course, the baby oil... this a damn good show...Become a Member and Give Us Some DAMN GOOD Support :https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCX8lCshQmMN0dUc0JmQYDdg/joinGet your Twins merch and have a chance to win our Ford F-250 King Ranch, Ember Camper & 10K in cash! - https://officialhodgetwins.com/Get Optimal Human, your all in one daily nutritional supplement - https://optimalhuman.com/Want to be a guest on the Twins Pod? Contact us at [e-mail] Free Twins Pod Content - https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1_iNb2RYwHUisypEjkrbZ3nFoBK8k60COFollow Twins Pod Everywhere -X - https://twitter.com/TheTwinsPodInstagram - https://www.instagram.com/thetwinspod/Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/twinspodTikTok - https://www.tiktok.com/@twinspodYouTube - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCX8lCshQmMN0dUc0JmQYDdgRumble - https://rumble.com/c/TwinsPodSpotify - https://open.spotify.com/show/79BWPxHPWnijyl4lf8vWVu?si=03960b3a8b6b4f74Apple - https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/twins-pod/id173123281002:55 - How Did He Get Involved With Diddy & Cassie?11:09 - How would This All Go Down?18:24 - What Was Diddy Into?21:18 - Trafking? 23:41 - What Was Cassie Into?28:24 - The Punisher’s Book About ED31:09 - Penis Implant43:51 - Performance Anxiety47:09 - Diddy In Court57:23 - Punisher Freak Off Stories1:02:58 - More Details...1:06:58 - C*** Stories...1:14:47 - Twins P*** Audition1:22:22 - Raw Dog And Golden Showers1:29:50 - The Diddy Beating Cassie Video1:34:29 - Gay Stuff?1:38:16 - People Are Disgusting1:46:15 - Baby Oil1:50:20 - Why Did They Go After Diddy and Not Others?

We got Shiree Hayes, aka A.K. A.K. A. The Punisher in the house. You became famous with this whole Diddy trial. How did you get in touch with them? So in New York City, I was doing a male stripper thing. And if you wanted to hire me, I had a website that came up, getpunished.com. Right?

I just lucked up. He looked up? I swear, bro. Cassie. You lucked up? I just lucked up, man. Did that shock you when the door opened it was Cassie? I didn't even recognize her.

When she introduced herself, She said they were a married couple. But I couldn't figure it out, man. And I never figured it out until like a year into it. You know, this went on two and a half years. Oh, so you didn't even recognize it was Puffy. My instructions when we first started this was me and her were going to get on the couch and do the baby all thing or whatever.

And her husband, yeah, the baby all thing, right? Then her husband's going to come in and watch, but I'm not supposed to look at him, talk to him, even acknowledge he's there. And so he walks in and he's. He's butt naked, right? He's butt naked, but he has on a Muslim hijab. So all I can see is all that's out of his eyes. That's going to piss off the muscle.

Quickly you realize, whoever this is, they're hiding their identity. So she would climax. Yeah. What would she say when she's climax? What would she say? The way you were asking questions, you're going to be pacing the moon. What would she say next? What was that?

Yeah, welcome to episode 73. We got Shiree Hayes, aka A.K. A.K. A. The Punisher in the house. What's going on? What's going on, man? Hey, thanks for coming there, man. Appreciate it. Nah, I appreciate it, man.

How did you get that name, The Punisher? Man, look. Because first thing popping our eyes, like, man, he did it. He did some dough. You're just not him punishing people. Yeah, you like that? Did you hear the people down?

I just got my nuts hanging out. So, yeah, we're all. I wish I had one of them stories, man, but it's a nickname I got before all of this stuff playing basketball. Basketball? You got a mean crossover one. Yeah, yeah, bro, you know, I had a nice game on the hoops. And then it was an end one. Like, you could file me, you can hack me, I'm still going to score.

So I got the Punisher. But I took the character over and I tried to live up to it. You know what I'm saying? You can't meet a woman like, hey, I'm Punisher. you come in on some slow music love making like that. You know what I'm saying? So you gotta live up to it, you know? You give just Sharray Hayes.

That's a good name. Sharray Hayes in the house. You know? Yeah, I got it. The punisher is what gave me to clout, so I'm gonna get holding with it, you know? Hey, so you became famous with this whole Diddy trial. How did you get in touch with them? So, listen, man, I just lucked up.

So in New York City, I swear, bro. I just lucked up, man. I just lucked up, man. So in New York City, I was doing a male stripper thing, and if you wanted to hire me, you could just do a Google search, like mail strippers, NYC, whatever. And I had a website that came up, getpunished.com. Right?

And the phone just wrong on a Saturday night. I didn't know who it was. She said her name was Janet. It's my birthday. I'm having a little gathering. Can you come do a little strip tease? I'm like, yeah, sure. And I almost gave it away, but they, but you always asked the location.

So they said, Trump International. I'm like, oh, man, a big gig. I might make some money. Yeah. Come up, be some, give me some pussy. So, so I took the, I took the gig and I showed up thinking it was going to be like a little birthday party. And she opened up the door in a row basically negative, man.

So it's like, how much they charge? How much you charge them? Dude, the deal of strip teas is $200. Oh, man. You just got a little bit. Hey, you show up a two. Look, man, when you start doing this at 22 years old, right? Go back to 22 years old.

Right. Oh, 22, I didn't know nothing about this. Dude, for me to walk into a room full of women and basically get paid to dry hump them. Yeah. At 22, I did that for free. So, 200 was a come up, you know what I'm saying? And because it's a younger man's game, right? If I, you can price yourself out.

So you try to stay within the range. Okay. And then I just do less. They just get a lazy show. You know what I'm saying? Did that shock you when the door opened it was Cassie? So the thing is, I didn't even recognize her. All I saw was just, uh,

you see people on TV all the time. You walk right past it. You don't even recognize it. Dude. I've had that happen to a couple. That dude looks familiar. Then like three days later, I said, damn that was old dude to play pork guard from San Antonio. Yeah, man.

That was damn Shrey Hayes to walk past you, man. Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Dude, I did not recognize that. trying to put it together. But I was Google searching. But when she introduced herself, she said they were a married couple. So all my Google searches is married couple, married couple, married couple. Oh, okay. That's your drawing blank. Yeah, yeah. I'm like, who the fuck is this? You know what I'm saying? But I couldn't figure it out, man. And I never figured it out.

Until like a year into it. You know, this went on two and a half years. Like a year into it, I'm at like a hotel. They put me in a room. It was like, yo, just relaxing here. And it was one of of them rooms where if you cut on the TV, there was a welcome message. So the TV was like, Essex House would like to welcome Mr. Sean Combs. And I'm like, what the fuck? You know what I'm saying?

Like, oh, so you didn't even recognize it was puffy. Because, so my instructions when we first started this was me and her were going to get on the couch and do the baby all thing or whatever. And her husband, yeah, the baby all thing, right?

Then her husband's going to come in and watch, but I'm not supposed to look at them, talk to him, even acknowledge he's there. So like your damn king or some shit. Yeah, yeah. And so mind you, he's literally about 10 feet away, like behind a table, like sitting in a chair. You hear this?

Like that. Like that's. Yeah. Yeah. Like the sound effects was crazy. You know what I'm saying? Oh, you can hear him squeeze one on. Yeah, yeah.

The piece to piece action was crazy. Right. So, but so the thing is, I'm not supposed to look at him, right? I can only look with peripherals, right? Because it's so, and so he walks in and he's butt-negat, right? He's butt-negut, but he has on a Muslim hijab. So all I can see is his...

Dude, this is all that's out of his eyes. That's going to piss off the Muslims. I'm thinking he's a circus. I'm feeling dying about. Yo, man, it was, it was a weird optic, bro. Would you think he was about to be a damn terrorist attacking him? I'd take it black man with a hijab. Yeah, not, dude, at first I thought it was some type of crazy kink, right?

Like, this is weird, right? But then you quickly realize whoever this is, they're hiding your identity to the next level. They got to be big time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, when you saw Cassie and she was naked, did you, like, what was the thoughts going through your head? Like, because that's a pretty woman. Bro, what it is, is almost like a dream come true. Like, that's the male strip of fantasy, right?

Yeah. You know, you used to showing up to, you know, the windmill, some fatties, right? You know what I'm saying? Some big fat will. Some homes. Yeah. Something we got a never home today. That's what you, look, I appreciate the support from the women or whatever, but, you know,

you don't run into a lot of cats. Yeah, but they know they fat as hair. So that's your fantasy, right? So when you see a woman this beautiful, right? And your fantasy is just the dance, right? And when it's like, hey, I want to go there, it's like, oh, man, this is, this, this is, this is, this is, this is like sexual lotto. You know what I'm saying? Because they're paying you to have sex with it.

They're paying you. It's like, you don't get no better than that. Two grand a pop. Two grand. Two grand. And I, and I find out after all of the other guys testified and spoke up, I was getting paid the cheapest. Like, yeah, I was the below five guy, you know what I'm saying? I was a Walmart edition, bro.

That is crazy. So after the deep was done, he didn't tip you anything? So remember, I wasn't supposed to look at him, talk to acknowledge him. So when it was done, he'll just pop up, leave the room. She'll follow him out and then come back with a stack of hundreds, man. Oh, okay. These were some nice places, though, right? Oh, bro, listen, top, top tier.

One of the hotels, suites, it was called a London hotel. Yo, my man, when I walked in there, the only thing I can describe it to is like, you know that you ever seen a movie Titanic and it's that big ballroom with the staircase? They literally had that in the middle of the suite. So I come out and I look it up, and this suite was 30K a night.

Wow. They paying you to be there and have sex with Cassie. That is crazy. It's crazy, bro. It helped your ego a lot, right? Oh, bro. What? I had theme music walking around.

I heard theme music as I walked around, bro. Like, forget about it. And then I was in Denow, right? So the case tells you, you know, with all these different guys or whatever, but I really believed I was the only one. Right. I'm like, yeah, I'm a, I'm Cassie's guy. You know, Ditty got all his girls. So Cassie get a hall pass.

She called me. You know what I'm saying? And then my theme music come on and I'm just walking around, feeling like I'm a man. And then the case come out and it's like, want, womp, now you was just Walmart guy. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. How old were you at the time you were doing this?

This was 2012, so I was in my late 30s, maybe 38, 39. That's like the perfect age, man. Late 30s? Yeah, perfect age. Because you still have the physical flow of, like, you still feel athletic, like, you do what you've got to do. Yeah, right, right. But, like, nothing started to hurt yet. Man, I'm in all kinds of pain.

For nothing, bro. I wake up, like, how I hurt my knee? Like, we had R.O.K. He told me, he said, the next 20 years of your life is going to be miserable. He said, make sure you hit the gym every day or you're going to fall apart. No, dude, that is serious, man. I was never a cardio guy, but I got into like 30 minutes a day on the stepper. And the first six weeks, it was hell.

But once my body got used to it, I feel easy 15 years younger, yo, 15 or 20 years younger. Like, you can't stop the flow, man. You got to do it. Hey, I want to dig into these encounters. Right. What are you calling? Like, so, well, give me the breakdown. How would all, how would this all go down?

So it was literally the same routine every time. So, you know, we'll start out just on some, she's on some sort of sofa, and I'm on, like, a chair just kind of like angled towards her. She can fine as hell, huh? Bro. Bro, dude, it messed up my sex life, right? It did because I hook up with this beautiful woman and then I come back out to my chick's like, man. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm saying?

It's like, man, yeah, like, you know, don't get me wrong. I was dating some nice girls, but it's still levels, right? Right, yeah, levels to this. Yeah, yeah. So we would just start out and everything had to start like a scene. Like, so it was just never straight into it. It's like she's putting baby on herself. I got to put it on me.

Then we're doing like some memorand. making some type of masturbation, you know, but you got to do it's sexy, like, oh, you know what I'm saying? Oh, so. You're like, oh, yeah. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm like? Right?

So you gotta do it sexy, right? You play on a performance. Yeah, dude, do, straight, straight, cheesy cable poaching, right? Right? So you do that, right? And then eventually it leads to us putting it on each other, right?

And then it escalate to some sort of oral, and then intercourse. And then intercourse. And we'll always, start and then at some point out the peripherio. I can see when they're walking, right? So he'll come in he'll sit behind the table

and then he'll direct right. So he was directing all this. He's given direction. Direct but but he would never talk to me. He would always talk to her. Even if he even if he wanted me to do something he would tell her to tell me. Oh really? Yeah. Because you'll wonder, oh, man, stick the dick in my ass. You want to hear him. You want to hear the girl say.

That was a good point, right? It's like you right there doing somebody's wife, and he say, man, do this. Yeah, I get it now. Yeah, I get it. I get it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, so he would always tell her, and then because he's across the room, and the room was always dimly lit, like candle lit or whatever.

Right. So he'll kind of like pace back and forth, like, you know, like places. Yeah. Yeah, he'll tell us, like, tell her anyway, you know, move the light, move your body to the left, move him to the right, whatever, and every single time, then it would escalate to penetrate the sex, whatever, whatever, and then when it was over, I had to finish the same way every time. So if I was...

How was that? I was instructed to isolate all around the outside of a vina, like on a... Yeah, every single single. time. Okay. And so obviously it was revealed in the trial that after, I didn't notice that she would kind of, once I did it, he would jump up and leave the room and then she would follow him out. Right. And I noticed she would follow him in a way where like she's kind of stopping it from running off her. Yeah. So then she said on the stand that when she got in the back, she would take it off of her and then rub it on his nipples. Oh my God. Oh, he won't dead fucking fresh.

That is crazy Hot fresh That's why So as soon as you were Finish You would see him hop up And she would hop up Go red

He said Oh go Get it on me fresh Oh God Yeah why is nipples Yeah I have no idea I have no idea

She testified to that She said it On the stand Yeah They questioned her About that Yeah So while he's directing

He's stroking At the same time Oh yeah man Mick. Oh, yeah. Vigorously, bro. Did you ever, like, finish and then he got took off brother, got a dick in his hand? Bro, I'm trying not to make...

Yeah, bro, there's already enough pressure for me. I don't need that. I don't need to see the active piece. Right, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, because when it's a threesome two guys, man, that's uncomfortable. Yeah, dude, I never even did that. First of all, they don't even call out a threesome. They call out a train, right?

Right. Oh, yeah, right. Yeah. That's the wrong classification, bro. That's the wrong classification, right? That's a trade. That's a trade. Two girls and the guys are three.

Two guys is a trade, right? Yeah. Yeah. We're talking to a professional, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Crazy, man. So what was his favorite thing?

Every session he would call for it to happen. You could see his eyes light up every time you did. I mean, bro, the only thing that I would say, was consistently, consistently routine was what I just said. I had to, like, that was mandatory, bro. Like, like, because, you know, with me being uncomfortable to perform,

I would over-medicate. Like, everything was just, they say take 20 milligrams of Seattleis, I took 80. That's just what black people would do. One ass, no, I'm taking two to them. Yeah. That's what we do.

Yeah, so if you ever took these, these pills, you know, if you over-medicate, you go numb. You can't feel anything. Like, you can perform, but yeah, you desensitized. So sometimes we would, like, there wasn't one time where I was able to finish from just sex, from penetration.

Right, yeah. She would have to be done. And then they'll be like, well, we need you to. And then I got to rub it out. But like with the concentration. Which is a good concentration. You know, concentrated in one eye, got the vein in the forehead. Yeah.

Right. Do that not finish? You know, ah, right? Then that's when Yeah They squit out Going like you know what I'm saying Yeah

There's your coming Was it always vaginal Did you ever have like anal sex with her No No no no Kevin's in the butt He always Yeah I'm the second time

He mentioned this So he just He just he's giving all the cues up I just I just wondering Yeah So she would climax Yeah

Yeah Yeah What would she say When she's climax Mac Comax What would she say? Yeah, like, I'm coming, boy I need some details, man

Oh, bro, I was going to do the way You're going to be pacing the moon What would she say next? What was that? Oh, man, I got a little ditty. Hey, I got the same DNA. You fucking butt. You want the, you want the, you want the, you want the, you want the, you want the, you want the, you want the, fucking soundtrack and shit.

Yeah. This is crazy. I can't, I can't recall exactly what her. Yeah. But you could tell by how, like, a body movement, so the noises she would make. Yeah. Yeah, I got a cue. I got a cue.

with uh did he talk to us like oh you like that take that take that you like that huh so here's a thing man i think whatever the timing of it was he was extremely diligent without me trying i guess me to figure out who he was yeah so it was real systematic even if he had to talk to her he would get up leave the room she'll follow him out oh and then come back and give me instructions because you're after wife's, man, I think that's Dedy in the corner. Yeah, yeah, I think I probably would have made the voice out. If he spoke extensively, you probably would have figured it out. But, yeah, it was a real kind of systematic thing where he wouldn't even talk to her in front of me.

And then you got to wonder, right? You got to wonder, was he hiding his identity? Was it, and then you got to think about the legal aspect of it, right? The funny thing, in two and a half years, I never had a direct request to have sex. everything was implied right it was implied even the very first time they kind of set it up where all right we just want you to do this scene with the baby all and then at some point we was just i was just massaging her and then she got up left the room came back said that was perfect paid me and then asked me do you want to finish oh wow so it was like consider it so it was like it was

like my choice. Wow. Yeah, it was my choice. So, you know, when I look back at it, it's like, okay, we're the legal aspects of this being considered, right? I mean, I'm not even thinking about it. I'm just, I'm bringing the law. I'm performing prostitution. And I'm like, I think you have a lot of me coming back. You know what I'm saying? Like, I have this furthest thing from my mind. But when I look at how the lack of non-communication, the fact that it was always my choice. Right. If I wanted to, and it was never said, it kind of set it up where there's no actual prostitution going on because there's not a verbal contract for sex.

That's crazy. Two adults can't come to an agreement over sex and money. I think it's, I don't know. I'm Christian and everything, but I just, it's none of my business. It's none of my business. I don't think it should be a law against that. Yeah, yeah. You're going to put somebody in jail because they, you know, you can hire, you can hire,

somebody for every other aspect yeah you know i'm saying but if you hired them for pleasure yeah you're breaking them yeah clean my house yeah clung my toilet get that get that log out of there man i overwhite get that log out of there you know but you make me come you're going to jay it is strange right when you think about it that way it's crazy i've traveled to germany australia it's all legal that. They have houses. Like, even here in Las Vegas, you have brothels here. It's legal.

Yeah. Yeah. For someone to actually go to jail for that, I think that is crazy. Yeah, yeah. And I mean, the charges he's facing now is not even the sex is because he bought the plane tickets. That's crazy. That means I'm guilty of trafficking my wife. Yeah.

You know? Listen. Too much energy. Listen, and that's what's crazy, right? Because both of the kids. these women were his actual girlfriends. Right. And, you know, me looking at it, he was in a relationship with for 10 years. Right. Right. And when the prosecution said, you only need one, for instance. So this woman could

have been his companion for 10 years. There was hundreds of text messages where she consented, wanted to do it, was excited to do it. You know what I'm saying? But at one time, she said, I don't want to today. And he's like, come. on like let's do it that's whatever you know now that's coercion and now that's crazy sex trafficked her right i don't know how many times i fell asleep but i'm tired honey i'm tired wake up my mushroom tips in her mouth that's coercion bro that's crazy things don't work out you got a case yeah yeah yeah you're gonna make me some funny yeah that is wow man yeah now this is our new giveaway Yeah, King Rats, 250, 6.7 liter power strong.

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This guy. He's going on Amazon. He's going to order him a hijab. He's going to recreate some things. Ah, man, look, bro, I can't say there was, it was just a similar routine every single time, man. I can't say. And this is what I will say. Whether her level of pleasure or enjoyment or not, whatever.

But it was clear this was a scene being created for him. You know what I'm saying? It was that it was for him. You know, now, so that's undeniable. Now, if she was forced to do it, if she was under distress, you know what I'm saying? That's what the crux of the issue is. And apparently the jury didn't see it that way. Yeah.

So the major charges for racketeering, which is a legal operation, you know, built to, you know, make money. For profit. For profit that he was found not guilty. Obviously, I didn't see any racketeering. And then there was, there's a RICO too, aren't it? Yeah, that's what RICO is, racketeering. Yeah, yeah. Then other major charge was...

Sex trafficking. Sex trafficking. Yeah. I was like, man, those charges seemed like too trumped up for me. Yeah. Well, I mean, so how I looked at it is if you wasn't going to get them on the sex trafficking, then you're going to have a hard time getting the racketeering. Right.

Because a lot of the stuff that they were trying to prove the racketeering with was things that were done for the sex situation. So, but I mean, it's unfair, right? When you get somebody that big of a celebrity, he ain't going to Walmart to get his own baby haul. Right, right. You're saying? He ain't going to the corner to buy his own ecstasy pills, right? You're going to have an assistant of somebody doing that stuff. So if that's the case, every super high-level celebrity that has their insistence doing personal stuff.

Yeah, trying to protect their identity. Yeah, trying to protect their identity and stuff wherever they're buying drugs. or whatever the case may be there everybody's at risk the same thing like we said about the girlfriend like the your wife like you you know you've been sex traffic at night right you know what i'm saying when you when you woke up she was sucking me off i was like and she made me do it no means no hey uh so they got them basically just on prostitution yeah now prostitution transportation oh transportation so the all the actual prostitution things were passed at your limitations Oh, I see.

So you couldn't charge that. So they used that. It was called the Man Act, which really came about years, years ago where it was slave trade, right? Where they would take the slaves and travel to state to state and make them do prostitution. So that's what the law originated from, but it still exists. So you can kind of take it and curtail it to different charges, you know? Yeah. It was never meant to convict a music mogul from transport his white people.

They use that. Yeah. That's kind of diabolical in my book. Yeah, I mean, it's an interpretation of the law. How you want to use it? You know, those statues, the way the laws are written, are so kind of like they're broad. You know what I'm saying?

So if you can fit it under the broadness of it, you can use it. Yeah, I think Diddy pissed off somebody. Yeah. And they're getting back at them. That's what I think. But something Andrew Tate would have turned into Andrew Tate, too. Yeah, Andrew Tate, yeah. Hey, I would imagine, like,

Like, I don't know. I've been in that situation before me and Kevin did something with his younger. It was like a husband and wife. And me and my brother went to go do his wife while he walked. I had a difficult time before. Yeah. Like, because that dude is short, fat white dude. This right there stroking.

He had that ditty stroke going. Can you get up my periphery on something? Right? So you both know my pain, bro. Yeah. We're here, brother. He's right there doing all that stroking and cocked and stuff.

I can you just, I can feel you breathe on me, man. Back the hell up. Yeah, it was uncomfortable. I had to tell him to leave the room. I said, go wake in the bathroom. I'd say what I'm done. I didn't even want him looking at me.

Yeah, it's not a game, man. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I thought, man, so was that hard for you? Yeah, man. Yeah, dude, that's why I was completely over-medicated. Right. And, you know, a few times, especially the last time,

I couldn't even pull it off, man. It's like, wow, yeah. It's definitely... Shit got old, huh? Yeah, bro. It was definitely difficult, man. Definitely difficult, bro.

Dude, so, so... That situation actually scarred me. Like, obviously, you know, I wrote a book about erectile dysfunction. Yeah, what's the name of your book? In Search of Freezer Meat. Freezer meat. Think, bro.

What's harder than freezing meat? Book. piece of meat out the freezer. See how hard that train is. That beat hard as hell. That'd be hard as hell. So, yeah, that's how I want to be. You get to kill somebody with that meat.

That's a great title, man. So, yeah, yeah, man. So part of, like, around that time, I had already started the decline. And you accelerate the decline because, you know, I started taking pills early when I didn't need them. Trying to hit 73 home runs, right? Yeah.

You try to be like, Sammy sauce. I mean Barry Barnes with the juice back. How about that juice? Like him out? So I started taking pills early. And the pills were working fine, but that specific situation, because I didn't realize that anxiety. Anxiety is the main cause, right?

But nobody's talking about that, right? Everybody's just trying to treat a mental thing with physical fix. Take more pills, right? So at that time, I was taking. so many pills, bro. What were you taking? Dude, I started with one Seattle's the first time it didn't work, so then I took a Sealis and a Viagra.

Then my boy told me about some pills down, downtown in the East Village, so I drove down there for the dick density gold. Then my friend told me about some powder from India that smelled like athlete's foot.

Smell like stink feet, and I'm like ingesting this, like cocaine. Like I was taking everything. And so long story short, coming out of the situation because I still struggled because of anxiety, I lost confidence in the pills. Yeah. Once you lose your confidence, you're done.

Once you lose your confidence, you're done, bro. It ain't nothing to destroy your confidence. Like, if you have that problem and a woman looking at you, like, what's wrong with you? Bro. No, like a white girl or Latina, they're polite with her. A black woman, what's wrong with you? Yeah, dude.

Look, right back at you in the spoke. What's wrong with you? Yeah, man, I've been, dude, I've been, I experienced all of that, man. And then think about it, bro, I'm a male stripper slash escort, right? So me without my piece is like a singer without their voice. Like, I don't have done. So the pressure, the pressure and anxiety on me, but it's no way I can't take, I can't take that happening. So 10 years of trying to fix it in every way that I can or whatever I, I do.

I did the Holy Grail, I went and got a penis implant. Pneousinplant. That's several types of penis implants, right? Yeah, but, bro, listen, top three best decision I've made in my life, bro. Really? Yeah, yeah, bro. I forget about it. Was it for size or?

No, so the ones that help your erections, they don't give you any more size, but it will, well, I don't care. If you think of the best erection you had in your life, you could think back to 14 years old. Yeah. You get that erection every single time with unlimited stamina. Every time. Unlimited stamina.

Penis pump. Yeah, dude, I got, I got, so the way it. Not penis pump, because penis pumps are a different thing. Okay, okay. I've seen those penis pumps. Yeah, penis pumps. Great. Yeah, but dude, listen, as a male stripper, I use penis pumps a lot, right?

Because a penis pump will give you instant size, 20 minutes. You can double the size of your penis. Yeah. Yeah, it's temporary, right? It's temporary. It's temporary, yeah, because you're just kind of swelling it up. No, no, no. It's going to go back to normal every single time.

Man, you got my hopes up. Yeah, but I got good size, man, but I'm trying to get, I'm trying to get off. I'm trying to get, like, some of these dudes I've been moving. These dudes as long as a damn. I said, man, that shit crazy's hair. You're about to stick that in that woman? Yeah, so dude, the penis pump. So a penis pump, you take that, you put it on 20, 25 minutes to swell you up.

You'll instantly go like hot dog and hot sausage, right? The problem is, next morning you're back to a hot dog. So I haven't met girls at the club, got them home, gave him the hot sausages. They tapped me in the morning. It's like, oh, this guy's pieces of a chameleon. Like, where did it go? And I was scratching my head like, well, so I just, you know, I'm still tired. You got to have a good excuse.

He's not fully awake, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah. With the penis implant. That's what you got the implant. Yeah, yeah. So the implant, so on either side of your pheho, right, you have these straws that run from your testicles to under the tip. And these straws is what fill up with blood. So I had never noticed this, but on your testicles, everybody has like a little crease right down the center.

So they put a little incision in that crease. Oh, man, they cut on your nuts? Do, do. Listen, if you got problems getting an erection, cut my nuts. You know what I'm saying? Cut them. You could take them all. You get me right, right?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So then they go on these straws and they put cylinders, right? So these cylinders are then attached to like a little pump that goes in your testicles where to feel like you have like three nuts, right? Go to it. You won't look like you got three nuts. You don't look like it. It just feel like you got three nuts. And then they attach it to like a little vesicle with saline that goes in your body near your bladder.

Apparently we got a little space. So now every time I want to have sex, I just kind of casually put my hand on my balls. Give it a couple of rebuck pumps. Oh, really? And then all of a sudden, bro, freeze the meat, man. Really? Freezing meat. Freezing, bro.

And seriously, it's undeniable. And forget the physical part about it, right? never understand how much, especially if you're a guy struggling, how much you think about your erection, a lack thereof, or what time should I take the pill? You know, my whole life got consumed with trying to fix my erection. Now, the way that I eat has nothing to do with being healthy is I can't eat that. I can mess with my erection. The way that I work out, I got to do heavy legs all the time because I get my erection

right. Every vitamin became, went from like vitamin A, vitamin B to ginseng, horny goat weed. You know what I'm saying? Macapalowder. You go into this state of mind where everything is about dealing with this. So when you get this type of operation and now no more anxiety,

no more worry, no more whatever, I didn't realize how much I was obsessing over it. Like, it just calmed everything down. And if you think about it as men, there's really never a time in our life where we don't overthink our sexuality, right? If you're young, you work, you work fine, but you worry about other things.

Am I good enough? Will I be too quick? You know what I'm saying? Right, yeah. That quick thing was a big problem for me. Yeah, yeah. That was a huge problem. And then when you finally get older and you figure it out, right?

Now it's like, Dad, can I really put this condom on? Will it still? You know what I'm saying? Yeah, I'll put a condom on. My dick dies, right? That's what I'm trying to say, bro. Dude, me trying to put a condom on before this thing

was like a vampire in sunlight, bro. It was going to desiderate. So, you know, so I didn't realize, like, tag, man, once you moved all of that stress and anxiety, it was good. And listen, this is not a, hey, everybody go out and just get a penis implant. That's not what I'm trying to pitch. It's an option for you.

But what I'm trying to say is, yeah, it's an option. And, dude, look, this is an embarrassing conversation. Guys don't want to have it, right? No guy want to talk about him struggling. But you see the signs. When you see a dude that lives with his wife or his woman and they stay in separate rooms and they ain't have sex and a million times,

that's not just we had an argument. Right. You know what I'm saying? What we do as men because we're embarrassed by this. When we start to decline, we just accept it. And we normalize it and then you just become avoided of sex. Right, right. You kind of tell yourself, oh, you know, I have my time.

I'm older. This is supposed to happen. Nah, man. But sail off in the sunset. Yeah, yeah. This is not supposed to happen. bro. You, like, as long as you can like and appreciate sex, you should want to, right?

So, like, again, me being in a profession that I'm in, I can't accept that, right? So my book is basically everything you can go because I tried everything. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Everything you can try what works, what doesn't work, why it's not working for you. You know what I'm saying? Why you should try it, the pros and the cons. And if all else fails, don't check out, man.

You still have an option. You still have an option. And so when I was doing this research, all this information was scattered and it was given to you like a medical jargon. So it was boring. You didn't want to read it. Or you had to go on forums and hear 20 guys, unnecessary information to get one thing that was useful. Right. So I just combined it with my life, my life stories, it's funny stories, it's this kind of thing.

But it also gives you the cause effect solutions. So it was the book I would have needed when I was struggling. Yeah. So I'm just trying to help dudes out. And dude, it's because of the trial, I got a nice pub. So I hit, like, number one on Amazon in the category. I stay in the top 10. So a lot of dudes need this, man.

Yeah, bro, do it. And dude, the emails and the DMs. And I tell guys, look, man, if you're going to go through it or if you just need information, hit me up. Like, so dudes are calling thanking me. Like, I feel alone. I feel we motivated because we are told to just accept it. Yeah. We are, dude.

I never accept that. Yeah. Dude, after you with the butt thing, you know, I know, you ain't accepted nothing. Except the night. He don't matter. Whenever he gets in a night, he's going to get some audio. What she's saying again? What she's saying again?

Like, I know y'all can keep some stuff happening. You definitely got the same DNA. Yeah, when I had problems when I was younger, it was all mental. All mental, bro. It was all mental. And, dude, that's becoming more and more common because younger guys, this is starting in their late. 20s or early 30s, but the first thing they do is they run and they grab a pill. Yeah.

But the minute you hear anxiety and something goes wrong with that pill, now you feel desperate. Like I'm telling you, you talk to a young dude and he's tried Seattleist and he went to Niagara and he got a honeypack. Then he got probably some stuff from overseas, you know. Something gave him a headache. His face turned red. Like you got guys going through all these different things and they don't even realize

you just got to get your head right. I think for me it was anxiety and I was a porn addict. I had to cut back on that shit. I had to totally cut that out of my life. Because I was oversensitized. Yeah, the oversens. So the normal thing, dude, come on. I know when we were younger, you showed me a hat.

You showed me a nipple. Yeah. And I went crazy. Oh, my God. Like that guy, I saw that devil with pink. Right. It was nuts, too. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. And because you see it so much and so daily, it's like, yeah. It's nothing. It's nothing. It's nothing, bro. So when I gave that up, well, I cut it back. I can totally give it up.

I went to go see Passion of Christ I deleted all my points and God healed me for about three weeks I was ill for about three weeks so I just had to get off that damn head and stop watching pornography man and it helped me a lot

and I just had to relax calm to fuck damn yeah yeah bro you was putting in some work all that point yeah man that shit was crazy yeah bro your phone so he was probably Jack. I had ditty forms.

Oh, man, it's crazy. So your book is doing good. Yeah, man. That's the one silver lining in this. And listen, it's not, people know books are not like a financial windfall, right, for the most part. But there is gratification. I'm sure you guys feel this too with your platform. When you can actually help somebody.

Right. When whatever you share or whatever. information you get you get that positive feedback like yo this helped me that that's validating bro so i'm really i'm really enjoying that because i got guys i know they have nobody else they can talk to about this yeah yeah nobody so the fact that when they start reaching out said bro i read your book i enjoyed it thanks for the information ask a couple of questions whatever and and tell me how hey this I had guys that actually got the surgery. Because the thing we're not talking about the guys with health issues, guys with diabetes,

guys that had prostate issue, this is an option, right? So I've had prostate go out, you've done. You've done, but you gotta get that. Yeah. But some guys don't think about it because it's, you know, we live in the healthcare system, right? So insurance doesn't want to pay for it unless it's your last option. So they're going to tell you to take the pills, take the injections, go to the

therapy, do all this stuff. And after a while, if you don't even know this is out there, you give up. Right. You give up because they don't want to pay for it. Me, I just paid out of pocket. How much was it? So at the time, this was 2021. I used the best doctor in New York City, and it was, like, 32 grand. And the cool thing about it was I paid 12 out of cash, and then I financed the other 20s. So I ended up with a penis note. That's crazy. You got a hard note, got a house note, got a penis note. The best thing is. about it, you can't repo it. That's crazy.

Somebody come knocking a day, man. Oh, I got to take your cock. Got to take your cock. You have missed three-d-no-one. So even, if you hear that type of money, you say, oh, man, that's a lot of money. But listen, let me tell you something, after the surgery, if it was 132 grand.

Yeah, you'd have found a way. What it does for you. Most men would feel that way, because, man, without that, you're like, was the point of living. Bro, seriously. Seriously, man. Like, almost everything we do,

like, I don't have a nice car for me. Yeah. You got it for the women you want. I got a nice place for me. Right. You know what I'm saying? If, man, if you took women out of the equation for me, I live in a room.

Yeah. And I have a car rusted out. Right. Start, I don't care what it looks like. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Like, that's our, That's our motivation, right?

So when you take our sexuality away, you kind of, you're emasculated. Yeah. You don't want to say it, like, dude, there's nothing more emasculating than wanting to have sex with a woman and can't. All right. Yeah.

And can't. Then you start with the excuses, man. My excuses with, you know, I train legs over day. Yeah, yeah, my legs is sore. I can't, yeah, you gotta start making up reasons. You know what I'm saying? That low carb diet is doing it. That's why I used to use that all the time.

Yeah, bro. So, do you know, Dude, putting this tool out here. And the good thing is nothing like it, man. Nobody else is trying to have these conversations and give this information. So I'm just glad it's getting out there and it's helping dudes young, old. And dude is actually helping women, right? Because I get a lot of women that read the book.

And I got women with younger teenage sons. Because I start, my performance anxiety started before I even had sex. I was still a virgin. My buddy had sex before me And the girl he hooked up with Like he was fast And she told the whole school He was whack, it was trash

Right So then so he lasts 30 seconds I get my first time I last 15 I'm scared to come to school You know what I'm saying? So so it kind of Gives you the

The psychology of how Men struggle with this all through our lives Yeah And so those women, like I said earlier, who are dealing with a man who's struggling, they internalize it as he doesn't want me. He's not attractive to me. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, right.

And so instead of helping a man with his confidence and reassure him, it becomes like a tense place. Yeah. And then they both give up. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? So a lot of women have reached out and said, look, I didn't notice. This was good information. So it's even good for women to read it.

And then it didn't encourage it. And then it encourages to have the conversation. Because most women, look, women get it, right? So, but most guys, you don't want to go tell you a woman, like, yo, it just ain't working right, you know? Yeah, yeah. Broke. Yeah, he's not working out, man.

My shit broke. I remember, man, I was having a little problem. I was, like, in my early 20s, it's all anxiety. Yeah, because I still got anxiety to the day. You remember what we was taking? I used to have, I used to lay that. Hey, you remember what we was taking? This is when Sammy Sosa.

Oh, yeah, yeah. And Mark McGuart. was sitting all those home runs mark mcquart and ronestine said he was taking and dronestine ah me and chavin go to the drug store the the supplement store and get some hand to be some home runs because we want to get big and swole right yeah man my dick was like a balloon flat balloon yeah man people don't you don't realize a lot of those supplements yeah that they contain controlled substances that are actual steroids yeah and steroids cut off your natural testosterone yeah and growing me about i think like six months yeah man it takes

So why? And see, you're lucky, right? Because you guys were young. Yeah. When you hit your mid-30s, your testosterone starts to decline. Right. So if you take something and shut it off, you may never get back right. Right. Wow. Yeah. So a lot of guys, and that's why I tell guys all the time, like, they hit a certain age and it's like, oh, man, I want to jump on something and get jacked and I'm like, bro, if you enjoy sex, yeah, be careful. Keep the dad bodied, yo.

Yeah. Because what's the point of taking something, getting jacked to get girls and then can't? Do you know? What's the point? I have countless women at work. They have husbands, boyfriends, with bodybuilders. And they all complained that they came to form in bed. Yeah, I remember this one woman.

Every last one of them. Yeah, yeah. Now, man, when you take that stuff, especially once you get past your late 30s, you're done. Yeah. You're done. You're going to be completely dependent on it. Yeah. Because it crashes your testosterone.

Like, a lot of guys don't realize it's the minute, literally, it could be one. injection of testosterone, you stop your natural production. So as long as they're on, they're good. But the minute they stop, their testosterone goes to zero. You got to stay on CRT the rest of your life. Yeah. Yeah. Hey, so when you was testifying, like you was saying, like, when you was having these encounters

with Did in Cassie, you never make eye contact with him. Never, man. Did you ever make eye contact with him in the courtroom? Dude, the first time I made eye contact with him was leaving the courtroom. Yeah. That was the first time ever. What was that look like?

Dude, I'm going to tell you, I was happy. It was cool, right? Because walking in, first of all, man, walking into like a federal courtroom is the most intimidating thing in the world, man. It ain't nothing like Judge Judy, man. If I could describe it, it's like, because you know you watch those congressional hearings.

You see all the congressmen sitting up. The judge is sitting up. like that then as a witness you sit up that way in the room is huge bro and his jury right there you got a real between ditty and and um the prosecution it was like 15 lawyers 14 lawyers damn so you got roles and roles of lawyers lawyers sisters i couldn't even find out where he was like wow like is is that and the tables are high you know i'm saying it was crazy man and um so going in i had almost like an anxiety attack and like i'm from new york i'm cool i'm like i'm good I walked in there, I was like,

ooh, what is that? Dude, I had straight freaked out, man. I got to understand. I could barely talk. I'm losing my voice. And the only thing that saved me was they called me up like 10 minutes before lunch. So they swore me in,

asked me to say my name or whatever, then it was like, we're going to break for lunch. And I'm in the back room. It took me almost a whole lunch to calm down. And so when I got in there, since I was so overwhelmed, I was like, look, I'm not going to look at nobody. because I ain't want to look over

and I feel like, I didn't want to see that, right? I'm not looking. I know I'm coming in to testify for the prosecution, so he don't know what I'm saying. He's facing life. Yeah. Yeah, bro, it's great.

And then do you remember, I got to walk by his whole family, his whole family. I walk in the room. I can just see everybody. You know what I'm saying, right? So I'm like, what the hell, man? So I avoided.

I con, contact with anybody. I just kind of focused on whatever attorney. But the truth of the matter is, bro, I didn't see anything crazy. I didn't see anything crazy. I was not going to embellish. I wasn't going to be biased and make it seem like I saw something. I, you know, I can't speak for her entire testimony or what happened in any of an encounter,

but none of the stuff that was alleged happened. And I told the truth. That's what I said. I think I appeared to be credible. It didn't seem like I had a horse in the race. I wasn't pro her, pro-Diddy or whatever. So leaving the stand. And I can also tell by my course examination.

Because if you followed that case, everybody got course exam and was on the stand for like two days. And his defense team was ripping them the shreds. And I might have got course examined for 12 minutes, 15 minutes. And his attorney even said to me, Mr. Hayes, I'm going to try to make this as easy as possible. And then after, you know, I wish you the best. So walking off the stand,

And I was like, all right, I know whatever I said up there just was truthful and nobody feels like it's any crap. So I felt comfortable acknowledging him. So I looked at him. I kind of nodded. He gave me like a straight face look back and just nodded. I got out the courtroom like, well, you know, I feel from an integrity standpoint, right? Like I just, I didn't have a choice to testify. But when you're going up there and somebody's life is in your hands, right?

That's no joke, man. I'm saying like and and you know if I got to do it I just want to do it from a place of just telling the truth yeah but yeah and and I felt like I was able to do that so I was comfortable so I did look at him but I wasn't looking at the beginning bro that did that hey some of the drawings he's got like an afro and he's got a bunch of gray how accurate are those drawings are him bro I mean very I mean you know we're used to seeing him in the public eye and he's always sharp whatever but look man when i got called to testify i was 250 pounds by the time i hit the stand i was 220 oh wow so if just me as a witness it stressed me out to the point where i lost 30 pounds man

and i started sleeping two hours a night i was eating once every other day right i can't imagine the stress he's going through so you see it you see it you see the stress in his face you see the weight loss you see his hair is completely gray like It was taking a toll. You 100% saw that. It seems like to me when they brought these charges against him, they was watching him for a very long time. It wasn't like some six-month investigation.

They was watching him for years, I think. Yeah, I mean, so what I think it was stemmed from with her civil suit. And this is typical, right? If you really look, think about all of the celebrities. So let's say like Deshaun Watson, right? you know, he got those allegations for the massages, right? Just all of the civil suits came in, and they did do a criminal investigation. They just deemed it not worth charges, right?

So when any time one of these is filed, they have to do their due diligence. I think because of the graphic nature of what Cassie's lawsuit said, they were able to align it with that man act and the sex trafficking and the Rico stuff. And they decided to go for it, right? So it's pretty normal for them to do it. And so what? Did she probably filed the lawsuit in September or something of, what was that, 23? I think so.

Something like that. Yeah, September or something to 23. And they did their six months investigation or about eight, nine months investigation. Because they investigators contacted me in May of 2024. And I don't think they arrested them to maybe the, following September or something like that. Yeah. So this was them just doing due diligence going around talking to see if they can build a case. So it probably took them about a year. When they initially talked to you, do you think

the charges or you think the whole conversation was, did it like blindside you? Like what? Sex trafficking? So this is a crazy thing. I, I never thought I was going to make it to the stand because I thought my testimony was insignificant. You know, I, so when Homeland Security came, they said sex trafficking. And what I knew was I lived in New York. I only saw them in New York. So you got to go interstate for that man act because interstate. So they're not going to use me.

And then I said I didn't see any violence or whatever. But what I did say, and the only thing that I can kind of think maybe they used me and they wanted to sensationalize it, there were moments where I could see frustration on her face. But that frustration was from the directions. So like we're trying to mess around. And it's like,

have fun. He'd keep interjected. Like move the camera to the left. Oh, a little bit more. Yeah, yeah, yeah. A little bit more. No, no, move it back that way.

That way again. And I'm like, yeah, she was having fun and he would mess it up with a picture. And then she's like, you know what I'm saying? Like I could see the sigh or whatever. And so I did give that detail. And I think they wanted to try to take that sigh

and no frustration and turn it into, that was a sign of distress. Yeah. But I'm just, there, right? I can't go on a stand and say I read it as that because I didn't. I read it as frustration, right?

Frustration at the specifics to the direction. Looking back on it, they probably pissed at they even called you on the stand. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They probably are. And what I think happened was they anticipated it the wrong way. Because me getting on the stand,

you know, I look, I don't smoke, I don't drink. You know what I'm saying? I'm like a clean cut guy. For what I do for a living, right? Right. It's hard to find people that's going to be viewed credible, right? So I think they used me because I would come off as being credible. But they anticipated the defense to attack my credibility. So, and the defense did the opposite.

They actually reinforced my credibility. So all of the mock, all of the mock courses, where they're anticipating what's going to say, they're giving me questions that try to make me look bad. And the guy who cross-examined me, he's like, look, you've been a male entertainer for 25 years. Plus, would you ever go up to a woman to dance on her that you could tell did not want you to touch her? And the question is, absolutely not. And then I said, look, because it's true. If I walk in a room for the women and I got to do a show, I have to be able to read the room.

Right. So then he says, well, let's bring it to this situation. if you walk in and you see Ms. Ventura and she looks like she doesn't anticipate, she looks in distress or whatever, would you have still participated? And the answer is no. Right.

So that was a real smart 180. Yeah. Where everybody else, they ripped apart, right? And with me, it was like, no, this guy's a professional he's been doing it 30 years. He wouldn't engage with a woman that was... And so it kind of boasted the consent.

Right, right. You know, and I think that's what the prosecution didn't anticipate. You know, if, because she, they asked me on direct about her being uncomfortable and stuff like that and, and or her frustration or her sion. And that did happen. But instead of trying to, well, it didn't happen. You know what I'm saying? They crossed with what happened, but you can read it. You can evaluate that.

And I think that that worked. Yeah, you turn out to be a prime witness for the defense. Yeah. Called by the prosecution. Stupimuth. I ain't going to say nothing. They might be pissed at me. There'll be some fine attorneys over there, right?

Hey, like after you have these sessions with dating family, did you ever like sit at? How often were they? So they were probably maybe every three to four months. But if it was every three to four months, it would be like a Friday night, Saturday night, Sunday night. Oh, at least three days. Yeah, but not three days straight. So I could show up two in the morning. leave 7 a.m.

They'll say come back the next day. Two in the morning, five a year. Come back the next day. Well, you got that go, you'd be like, yes. Bro, yes. Yes, I don't care what they were going. Dude, it was one time they called me. I was like two hours away and sick flags.

I had just got there. We drove two hours. We had the music park. I'm with my girlfriend. They're like, yeah, we got on one ride. The phone rung. I was like, something happened back in the city. We got a goat.

What do you mean? I don't remember what the excuse was, but it was an emergency. We got to go. I was like, man, this is $6,000 a weekend. And then the funny thing was I tried to reschedule, right? So this hurt my feelings, right? Oh, you got to be scheduled. Because when she called, she was like, hey, are you free tonight?

And so I told you to come three days in Russ. Ah, man, you know, I'm in great adventures, six flags. You know, can I come tomorrow? this is what this hit me hard she was like oh okay can you send somebody else I was like ah what do you mean I'm special how do you mean what sent somebody else man she said could you send somebody else let me call you back the house on fire we got going to go bro I was back the quietest two-hour ride back ever man yeah but I was not I wasn't sending nobody else else.

Right. I was trying to get that money. I'm hell. Hell no. Kansas is, man. Hell no. You know, it's crazy.

If I was in your shoes, I'd be like, after a month, I'd be like, man, I'd be like, man, they're going to call me back. Yeah, dude. I was. I was clocking my phone. And then especially, once I figured out who they were, because like the first year, I didn't know, right? So once I figured out who they were, I'm following them both with Instagram.

And I'm like, I'm looking. Like, oh, man, in California. Damn. Right. I figured out. I do I look at update checked me into a hotel room and and I cut on the TV and the TV said welcome yeah mr. Sean Combs yeah so now I'm watching the Instagram and it's like if I see there's an event in New York City I'm like yeah I'm like money the weekend I clear my plans clear the plans like you know what I'm saying so and do it

was like clockwork if if it I mean this is what I was thinking because obviously they travel a lot they have residences in New York, but I would look to see if they were in the city, and then I know I could be called, you know what I'm saying? So I was like, I'm checking my reception on my phone

and stuff, put my ring all the way up. For real, I'm saying, I know they call late, I ain't sleeping, I'm just up late. Taking red bulls. On my ring,

can't fall asleep. Can't just call. I ought to turn my ring into a damn bomb or something. Boom, make sure I wake up. Man, that is wild. Yeah. That was good times, man.

Because back when you was sleeping with Cassie, didn't she have a hit or something? No, no, no. Her, so this went on from 2012 to 2015. Okay. A hit record was 2006. Oh. That's why I didn't recognize her.

If a hit record was out, I would have got it. But 2006 to 2012. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. And then she wore wigs, right? Women, what? Yeah, so I don't know if you would call, but Cassie had, like, a signature.

your hair do. Like half her hair was shaved. Right. Yeah, I like that. So, yeah. So if I saw that, I would have it together. Mm-hmm.

So every time she would have on a wig, so I didn't get the cue of the hairstyle. And, dude, and I'm Neanderthor, bro. A woman could walk up to me in a wig, a weave. I don't,

all that looks at. She got a like, so how long her hair is? I don't know the difference, bro. I don't know. Me either. I don't know the difference,

bro. If it's done well, I think it's your hair. I remember Kevin said, because we was kind of, ignorant when it came the wigs. I remember we ran into this black girl. He's like, man, you got some pretty hair.

You said something. I said, you stupid motherfucker fucking wig. Bro, that's me. That's me. I would have said the safe day. But, bro, you know how many ponytails I pulled at the wrong time? See, the reason why I think the reason why I'm so ignorant to it because my mom and my sister didn't wear wigs. Yeah, they had good hair, though.

Yeah, they had long hair. Yeah. So I'm ignorant to it because I'm into it. girls right so my first few girlfriends are latinas and they have long hair right i know she's my wife latina yeah so i get me a sister and i get a handful of that weave like you're gonna pay for that i'm like i with these tracks on my finger what's going on oh you've got too many bobby pins in there you know what they say don't touch my hair i'm like what are you talking about yeah bro i i don't pull the wrong weave too many times I don't, I just point I don't pull hair ever again.

I just don't know. I don't know. I can't tell. I used to hate that. My first wife, she said she'd get a hair done. We haven't sick. Don't touch my hair. I'm like a turnoff. It was a hook.

I ain't going to get into that. They can start calling me Uncle Tom's again. Yeah, so is there anything about these freakoffs you would like people to know about? Oh, boy, she's like, it's just like a question? I should I ask? Bro, what's going on, man? Y'all my man, I'm sorry, man. I don't have the, you know, the other guys were urinating and marathons and all this crazy stuff.

I was the vanilla guy, remember? I was the Walmart dude, right? Yeah. I got the, I get the deluxe special, you know what I'm saying? I'm sorry, man. I'll try to make a connection. So you get the details from one of the debauchery dudes, right? I didn't have the debauchery.

I'm sorry, bro. I know about your male friends. I knew he was asking questions. Dude, so I'm going to tell you what another good part of this was. Yeah. Dude, so I didn't tell a lot of people because I was really respecting the privacy. But the few homies I did told. You got to trust him.

Yeah, I'm like, but, dude, I didn't have to trust him because this is how I went. Yeah, blows you know, every now. Then, you know, Cassie calls me or whatever, and it's like, Cassie calls you. Really? Yeah. Yeah, all right, bro. Yeah, okay.

Yeah, this guy, this guy's Cassie's boy toy, yeah. We believe you, bro. So that's the only thing that happened, man. With the trial came out, I just pulled up on the homies like, Tootalo. Remember me? Remember that story? Dude, are you serious?

Bro, the street credit went all the way up, bro. Now, now I can say anything. I'd be like, yo, this is Martian, right? She comes down in the spaceship. They're trying to procreate with a human, bro. I knock it down. Every leap year, they're like, for real, how's the Martians? The Martians good?

They don't believe anything. Yeah, yeah. Say, hey, um, How was Cassie? She had some good insides? So, bro, everybody tries to trick me into answer that question. Good try. He retains his voice. So those insights.

Bro, it's impossible to answer that question, man. What I say is, and this is the truth. What I say is I was so overly medicated. Yeah, right. I couldn't feel anything in it. You know what I'm saying? Like, I'm there. It got to a point where it didn't, it wasn't an intimate, pleasurable environment for me.

You know what? The first time I took Viagra, it was like, I got this crazy erection, but I couldn't feel a damn thing. Dude, it's real stuff, right? So, so mind you, I'm, and then I'm over, you just took it the normal dose you're supposed to take. I'm over, over-medicating. I couldn't feel anything. And it was hard as hell even finished, even organ. I couldn't.

I couldn't. Yeah. So. I went through two condoms. Yeah. So, so if I'm being honest, I can't even give you an accurate thing. Obviously, the, the factor of it because she's beautiful, right? Whatever, like, you're going to get that mental.

This is great, right? This is amazing. But in terms of really speaking to her from a physical standpoint, I couldn't feel anything. Yeah, I don't even think you could even really, like, get a connection with her because she's right there directing everything. Exactly. Exactly. And then at some point, as much as I want to feel like, oh, she's.

She was into me and I was that guy. You can tell, like, she's, it's all, she's still focused on him. You know what I'm saying? All for him. Focus on him. You know, he, because if you really caught up in a moment, you ain't going to hear from across the room, move the candle to the left. So I'm trying to do what I got to do.

She's like, wait a second. I'm like, what the hell are you here? You know what I'm saying? And then, so she was key then. I, I, I can feel, I got, I got a, probably a real good understanding what you was going through because we did it with that. one guy and his wife and many keep was there. And the same stories you're telling us about did it,

the same, I could still reflect that white dude was doing the same thing. Yeah, and listen, back in 2012, this was new to me, but over the last five to seven years, there's like an influx of this fetish, cuck. Yeah, dude, it's... Dude, after her comedy shows, dude said, hey, you want to go home and do their wife. constantly, man.

I could just be, I could be, I was walking down Burman Street in New Orleans. Some guy ran out of the place. Hey, buddy, can I talk to you? I'm like, what do? White dude, right? Yeah, my wife thinks she's so hot. You think he's so hot, bro.

You want to see him? He pulls his phone out. He's showing her, like, from the waist down, bent over. It's like, yo, it's nice, right? I'm like, yeah. Dude, for real, it's like, it's common. It's whatever. And I feel like it's going to,

I feel like it's going to be worse because it's just been put internationally, like, across the media that this is going on. And that's one thing I will say, bro, my DMs and emails is just all dudes. Like, hey, can I hire you for my wife? You know, it's crazy. Oh, really? Yeah, man. That's what happened with me because I used to live in Oryx County, right? And this is years ago.

We were like early 20s, and it was the Orange County Register. And there was an adult section within the newspaper. So it was his phone to me you called. pay them like $20 they'd give you credit so you could like leave your profile and everything and people if they were interested they would leave you a message right so i was checking for a week i was like man anybody interested didn't feel like i get a call from a guy he left a message and i was like man so listen to the message he's like well i'm not gay or anything i'm just into watching dudes uh have sex with my wife right so i call him i was like okay

This is kind of crazy. I said, but I'm thinking he's a serial killer. So I'm like, can I bring my twin brother? So again, we're in our early twins. We go there and just trying to give us some drinks. Turns out he was an attorney and his wife was his secretary. Right? And they lived in, what was it, Orange Hills?

Yeah, big ass house. They had a Christmas tree. I've never seen a damn Christmas tree that big. It's about 20 feet tall. He had presents on that. about as tall as I was. Wow. I was like, this is crazy.

Right. So we having this conversation with them, and it's like, yeah, we actually got twins, but they're at grandmaws right now. I was like, man, this is nuts. So we feel in them out. The woman goes up station, so I'm going to go take a shower and freshen up. So we're talking to her husband and says, yeah, yeah, again, guys, I'm not gay or anything. It's just we're spicing up our sex life.

Yeah. Because they've been married for like 30 years. Yeah. Got it. So, man, but what's crazy is when I was doing his wife, right, I couldn't feel nothing. Yeah. He comes in the room and he's stroking it. I swear to God.

It's like this, dude. What? He's like 5 foot 4. Yeah, he's walked around with a light sole. Yeah, he's walked around with a liceol bottle doing this. I said, no wonder, I can't feel nothing. Wow. Dude, it was like doing air.

Yeah. I was like, man, I was like, I was like, I was cockster. There's only two scars on the side of it. Wow. So he, so he got a surgery. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, he got a surgery. I was like, holy shit.

Some thing, so and this was a while ago, so the surgeries were kind of like brutal back. Man, he had a frankin cock. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But after we was done, like, we was leaving, he was kissing his wife. How was it, baby? She thought it was amazing. I love you so much. And I was, me, Ken was just like, look, let's get the hell out of it. Well, well, listen, man, I need to know because y'all got on me for my 200 bucks at first, right? How much does you guys get for that?

They ain't paying shit. Why? You just did it for that. For the spot of it. You got freaking cock traumatized with nothing. Man, you're chilling. You know what the crazy thing is? Tell us all these stories where there was professional athletes

and stuff like that. I was like, no way. Like crazy. Yeah, bro. Listen, it's a lot. I'm in his business 30 years. Like, he ain't the only one. Yeah.

But so I'm a dancer, right? But so, but a male dancer, you're going to always get these propositions. If you're advertised and you're notable, you know, I would even say when I was going through this stuff, I wasn't denial. The first thing from my mind was that I was doing prostitution, right? I'm so used to showing up and dancing in exchange for money where it says, well, hey, do this.

I didn't even look at it as like, y'all, I could go to jail for this. Yeah. But that is common, you know. But with women, they never overtly ask you for sex. Women are say, do you do one-on-ones? Do you do massages? massages, so it's implied as sex, right? But now that lately, like you said,

the cut culture is just straight calls. Hey, dude, can you bang my wife? He thinks you're high. It's like, goddamn, bro. You know what I'm saying? And then the way they just start just bombarding you with pictures of their wives, like just with the head cut off. He's hot, right?

Yeah, you'll like it, right? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm in my, I'm in my show. this dude say man i give you 200 bucks for that shirt you wearing yeah i remember that see i said i said i said i got shirts i back him selling you said no i don't want those shirts i want your shirt yeah i want the shirt you're sweating in right now so so bro i couldn't understand it this was years ago probably when i was in my late 20s i had a guy that contacted me

that told me i could wear my underwear all day workout in the gym whatever the case may be and take them off dirty and he would drop him in a Ziploc bag, then dudes would pay for my drawers. That's great. I was like, I gotta get out of here. Like, absolutely not. I'm good. I don't, I didn't even let it go past that. Yeah, but dude, it was like a business meeting.

Like, we sat at the table. Like, so here's a business plan. You're gonna get extra sweaty balls. Right. You know what I'm saying? Then we're gonna preserve the funk in these Ziploc bags. Yeah. Sell them online.

I was like, I'm out of hell. Damn. I couldn't, I couldn't, it just sounded. But it's a real thing. People got some strange fetishes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Some strange fetishes. Just one girl was selling a bath water online.

I forget her name. Remember when we first started YouTube? Just got sent us a message. He was like, it was a gay guy. He's like, man, can you just send me a vid of you, like, just masturbating? You don't have to show your face. Right? And we were broke his hand.

I looked at Kemp, I said, man, we got by the thousands of subscribers. All the man just told on it, it's over. Yeah, I said, no, I can't do it because once I do it, man, they can't open up Pandora's box. That is Pandora's box, though. So I didn't do it. Same thing here, bro. That's why I walked out of the underwear hang or whatever, you know, like it was just too over the top. Yeah, me and Chief actually went to a porn audition.

Yeah, it was broke. hear about that. Yeah, we actually went to a point audition. We went to San Fernando Valley, right? It was an ad and a damn horse kind of ready. I'm like looking for work and shit can't find

no job. I was like, man, entertainment is needed. So we went there fill out application. It's crazy. This real hot Latino woman. Now, she was Asian. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Asian. She came to the door. I tell her better story than Kevin. Kevin will be messing up.

She came to the door, right, with her and what do you call him pink tails? She had on a plaid skirt. Pink tails? Pink tails. Yeah, pig tails. You said pink tails. She had on this plaid little short miniskirt.

White knee-high socks and these black shiny shoes. That's like, damn. So she gave us applications. Right, so we're filling it out. Then another fat white dude comes in, and she takes him to the back. So we're right there filling out the applications. And then I hear him going, oh, yeah. So we fill out the applications

And we hear this We stop, we like Sounds like I do Sounds like I do Busting Nucks in that Right So we like quiet We didn't even fucking out

We're just like listening I think we were 23 24 at the time Yeah But we're so he came out Obviously that dude Busted Nuss He was beat red in the face

I was getting We filled out the application at the end it was like an $85 fee to process you i said so i think it was a front for um prostitution yeah yeah but after that i left my our name and no we had pages at the time it's so long ago we're getting pages from them to go um we're fitting to be the basher twins no reason why i did i was like man mama go see this shit They would have showed it to mama. Yeah, yes, I never did it.

Wow. I don't think I could have performed, man. That's a whole, another beast. Yeah, man. I saw one of my buddies film a porn dude, and it was like, I couldn't believe that the cameraman literally stand shoulder to shoulder. Right. Like filming, I was like, how could you perform like that?

They're doing makeup? Those dudes are just talented on another level, bro. Yeah. Yeah, like I don't. No anxiety. Yeah. How do you, how to camp over your shoulder just, Like looking like yeah you know what they got they got implants going yeah yeah though right now bro I can have sex on fire

Yeah, yeah, it's don't matter it's going down. Yeah oh get the a d o you're almost done yeah yeah that must have a huge relief yeah my man I'm telling you man is it dude i my dad even got one bro How is your dad 70 70? 70 yeah he got one went at 68 man and it's funny when I called my dad and told him I was gonna get the implant he was like what are you doing are you crazy you go should do that and so he's a he's a vet right so he gets all the drugs from the VA he was like here take mine and I was like take yours he was like now I don't eat that shit and I started feeling like damn my dad's stuck in the dick all I did his drug I felt away right right and so after I got so I tried his his his stuff he was giving me everything

man injections or whatever I tried that for like yeah I was like man I'm gonna still go do this thing. So then I go and get the surgery. After his dad, I call him up. Like, man, this is crazy. He was like, who's that goddamn Dr. Miller? Do a year to the day, my dad got the surgery, man. And dude, now he sends me Amazon links a gray sweatpants. Like, yeah, going to the mall. And day, I can't put my piece on proper display. The girls love the bodes. You know what I'm saying? Like, it did. So, like I told you, you can fill it up. So he keeps it on certain clicks. He was like, yeah, I gave him. about a seven a day.

So it hangs nice, you know. They see it in a nylon pans like a snake. Yeah, he loves it, bro. I bet you pick up a lot of women doing this shit. Bro, listen, man, my dad's 70. Every woman he dates is younger than me. Really? Younger to me. He's making it happen, bro.

He's living a good life, man. And dude, and so, like, life does men messed up, right? Because it usually takes us until we get older to figure it out. Now you got your money right. in the house and you understand sex or whatever.

And then that's when you check out sexually. So I got all this money, this house, this is whatever. And I'm saying? Now I can meet women, but I can't enjoy them. Yeah, the crazy thing is women peak it like 45. Oh, that's what I'm saying. It's just like obviously, yeah. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

So this is the life hack, right? This is a life hack for those guys. And my dad, dude, and I always notice, you know, my mom had passed away, right? So I noticed, you know, my dad never really, his life never really picked up. You know, he's in good shape. You know what I'm saying? Healthy, you know, still a good looking guy, got everything together. And I never seen him really actively.

Boy, I didn't know he was struggling. And I'm on the phone with him telling him I'm struggling. And he still wasn't comfortable to tell me he was struggling. Wow, really, yeah. That's how deep it is. The old school. Men don't like to talk about that. No, men don't like to talk about it, bro.

But once I told him it was working, he was like, give me that goddamn number. now you can't tell him shit and he's telling everybody he doesn't got three four home boys that's got the surgery now yeah no man once especially those older guys and they got all their ducks in a row

and you telling him you could 30,000 is cheap man money well spent yeah money well spent they jump on that because all them old dudes do is then they handing it

handing it to some younger girl at some sort of sugar daddy and can't even enjoy him I know it yeah yeah I didn't know it was that effective though. Yeah, man. And this is all probably been in like the last seven, eight years before it was really crazy. They used to have a implant used to be almost like a dry cleaners hangar where it was just like a rod in there. When you went to use it, you bent it straight.

Oh, that's crazy. You bent it back down. Yeah, dude. It's called a Malibu. Like a malleable, right? So if you were looking up, there's a malleable option where it's just like a co-hanger. You just bend it which direction. I need to go to. this way i need to go that way but that she's called spit it off and then then the more um advanced ones are called like a three-piece implant and dude listen the cool thing about it there's no way a woman knows you have it she has no idea that's cool yeah like i just think you a stud listen i got this listen girls are going to see this podcast and be like holy shit that's how like bro they they have no idea wow that's great i think she you would have

I haven't. You didn't have this when you was missing around with Cassie. No, bro. If I had this. If you had a time machine, boy. Oh, listen. I would have been the only guy. Fair. Yeah, bro.

Yeah, if I had a time machine, man. She gets you a DeLorean. Get that flux capacity going. You ain't lying, bro. It, man. Forget about it. Yeah. So what's going on now?

You settle down. I mean, you still doing that. Hey, let me ask me one more thing about the sex stuff. Was this, did you wear a condom with her or? So, dude, I wore a condom maybe the first three or four times. And then we had like a conversation or you tested or you good or whatever. Then it was just, that's another reason why I thought I was the only one, right? Because I'm like, if we're going to take this risk.

Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, even me finding out after the fact, like, damn, I was on rotation. and I was living, I was living reckless. You know what I'm saying? I was living reckless reckless. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I'm glad I, you know, it's on speculation, but I'm good.

You know, I'm, I'm, I'm posting some meds. I ain't catch nothing, but, shoot, I was, and then I got cursed out, I got to say. Because remember, I told you I had a girlfriend at the time. Right. And even though we broke up a long time ago, when I had to go out and tell them what I was doing, and I was like, it was unprotected. She called him cuss me out. Man, you were sleeping with men, sleeping with it?

I was like, damn, my bad. You good, though, right? Oh, I got cussed out, man. Hey, what's this thing? Like, R. Kelly, we all know what he did with the... I don't get that urination thing that they do on girls. Dude, I don't get it either. And I've dated girls that enjoy that.

Yeah. That enjoy it. What is that? I think it's something with... Some people really get off, male and female, with being degraded. Degraded. Yeah, some people have that. And so what I notice, the women that I deal with that have been into that, you know, I hate to say this, but there's always somebody else's wife, a girlfriend. And they're usually in a power dynamic relationship where they walk all over the guy. Oh, I get it. So they got a guy that's just smitten about them, just whatever you want, babe, whatever you need, kind of like ass kissing. So then when they look for, sexual experiences they look for the opposite. Just like most of the men that get involved in those BDSM like Dominatrix,

you know, they are usually super powerful CEOs and then they pick sexual fetishes that make them powerless. So it's kind of like the total opposite of what their daily experiences is. So you're telling me Hitler was probably getting pegged. Probably. Those be the ones, bro. Yeah, those be the ones. Those be the ones. They go completely against the dynamic. Yeah, like even me, bro, like I'm a, I'm a kind of like, I have a dominant flow. And every now and then, if I get a girl that's like, let your ass down or whatever, I'm like, okay. Give me this dick, I'm right.

Calm down. Right. I don't like that shit. I ain't like that shit. I like that because it's just all the way left of my dynamic. You know, you're going to pee on me, but, you know, you'll help me up a little bit. You're so well. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's something out of your character. Yeah. Yeah. It's just different.

Yeah. It's a different flow. So I think it's like the extreme of that type of stuff, you know? Are you getting more requests now because you've been put out in the limelight or boat? I am, bro. I am. But here's the truth for the matter, man. I dodge the bullet, right?

I 1,000 percent. participated in prostitution, whether I was consciously aware of it or not. And the only reason why I didn't get charges or anything is because of past statute of limitations. So to be internationally associated with prostitution and then get random calls on the line, hey, can I pay you to whatever? It's just like, bro, I'm asking. You're asking for it now. I'm asking to be back on CNN the wrong way.

You know what I'm saying? Yeah, I'm good. I had a good run, bro. And it's messed up because, you know, I don't even need the DeLorean now. I can really bake. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But, you know, with this bionic piece, man,

I can really, business could be booming, but. Yeah. The man with a $30,000 car. Exactly. Yeah. Well, I got something to look forward to when my shit go out. Yeah, bro, look, you're in the game, man. Don't never, don't.

Because when your prostate went out, you had done. Now it sounds like they got a remedy for it. Dude, because that's what it's really, that's what has really been pitched to. That's why you don't hear about it from younger guys. They really only talk to you about it if you had a prostate issue. They don't even tell diabetic dudes this, which is messed up. Because they have blood flow circulation problems and they can definitely use it. But they don't give it to them as an option.

They just kind of let them check out sexually. Yeah. They could be busting all kinds of nets. Oh, dude, I'm telling you, man. You already know. You already know, by it. Yeah, but you go crazy with this thing, though. And dude, this is one thing I would say.

I thought when I got it, I thought, all right, this might be something I got to hide, right? You got to be embarrassed about it. But it's the opposite. And think about it, right? Why wouldn't a woman be excited about a guy with a never-ending erection? Exactly. Right. Right?

Like, women out here getting these BBLs, what do you call them? Thrift implants and eyelashes, fake hair. Everything's fake. Everything's in. Dude, they're getting vaginal rejuvenation. Yeah, I know. I heard about that. Right?

tightening it back up, sewing it up, putting the roast beef away. You know what I'm saying? From all that damn punishment. Yeah, man. They're doing stem cells down now now? It's crazy. Dude, man. Go straight from a roast beef sandwich.

was still grilled cheese, man. That's what you want. I want that grilled cheese. I'm grilled cheese. I don't want the Arbis Roosinica. Yeah, man. So it's like, shit, man. Yeah.

Yeah, dude, it's good, man. So I can go from a gummy worm to a candy cane. That's what I'm trying to do, too. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Hey, I want to ask you about methylene blue. We was watching Joe Rogan. He was with Mel Gibson.

There's studies on that now where people have proven that they've drinking methanol blue and stuff like. Yeah, methylene blue, which was a fabric dye. Yeah. You know, they find it has profound effects on your mitochondria. Yep. This stuff works, man.

The methylene blue, I was doing some research on it. It actually strengthens the sales. I use it for patients that are really low in energy. I try that. It tends to help. My energy is kind of low. I'm going to be 51 this year, right? So I know it's like my energy is better.

When you take it? Mm-hmm. I've been taking it for actually a couple weeks. It helps the mitochondria. which is your energy source in the cell. And this is kind of gross, I'm going to tell you. Not really gross. Why do you got to go there?

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i saw that bit i was like wow damn i could like that's not in me to do to a woman yeah no matter what she does to me i cannot like do that i could come home my wife is is doing it's with the punish it's with the punisher he could be with joel there my boy chris and my other boy chris i out could not put, it's not in me to even put a hand on her. I agree with that, man. The only, obviously, the visual of it, the opposite of it is just what it is, right? You know, of course, it's just terrible, right? The only thing I look at, and I do, I've had friends, guys that I know well and that are,

have that part of them, that they could be abusive, right? And the similar thing that I noticed with these guys that they all have a power and control dynamic that they need to listen to what I say do what I say whatever and so when words don't work you know what I'm saying when manipulation stops working then your only ever recourse is physical right so when I see these super powerful men right and Did he's not the only one we had the like the Chris Brown incident you know I'm saying it gets to this point where these guys reached this level of success and power and control and somebody not doing what they say like when you when all of your other tools to control somebody doesn't work that's what it slips to you know and and obviously that is just

being able to do that and get away with it over and over again be able to cover it up get paid people off and stuff like that you start becoming I guess you know numb or not considering the actual consequences right yeah You know, a tyrant. Yeah, because like you, you know it's being recorded, right? You're in an elevator of a hotel. Everything's recorded. But then you just go downstairs and 100K, give me the tape.

Yeah. Right? It's a scenario where you just, you have, you feel like you have a solution to every scenario in terms of just keeping it covered. So if you're going to keep getting away with it, it happens and it just escalates. but it seems like it's a power dynamic. Like some people have to control a person. They would explain that why he likes to seeming on his nipples.

I don't know how you put that together. No, you say powerful people in the bedroom. There you go, man. Like, yeah, that was kind of odd one, man. Like, the nipples that, look, dude, I've been in the sex industry in my entire adult life. That was the first. So they would never do anything in front of you together.

It was all big. He wanted to keep all that kinky stuff back there, the stuff he liked. Oh, I think when I found out after the fact that a couple of the sex workers they were hiring, at least one guy snuck a video. Another guy kind of like came out with a video and threatened them to expose it. He was never seen again. That's a phrase. Yeah, so I think it was a scenario where they were like, all right, look, we got to, we're going to do this.

that'll keep it extremely discreet. So they would never do stuff in front of me. Like, like I said, he wouldn't even have full conversations with it. They'll leave the room, then she'll come back. That was at certain times where they wore, like, something over their face or something, too? That wasn't me. Like, at some point, I know a couple of the guys spoke in other videos that sometimes she even wore a mask. Like, they'll both have a mask on the kind of, like, you know, you don't know who we are.

Like some squid games going on. I'm going on and they got masks. Yeah, I'm going to die after this. For real, y'all. I just do the red like drinking like stroke. Stop! Go! Stop!

Stop! Yeah, man. Get some squid games, you. Yeah, that's me. So they will wear masks like that? No, no, no. It was more like, I think, the eyes wide shut. That's me coming out to perform the male stripper thing.

Oh, okay. So that's my, like, costume, the Punisher. You know what I'm saying? You know? Yeah, most male strippers, they're almost always homosexual, right? So this is what I'm going to say, right? And I don't mind saying that because I don't do, right? So the stereotype for male strippers being gay is because if you're trying to, there's

a few guys that can make a living only dancing for women. Right? You got to be, like, the top, top guy. Fortunately in New York City, it was a heavy populated city. I never had to work in the gay club. You could check that, get your sources. See, I ain't never been in there, right? Never had to do it.

I got nothing against gay club, but I'm a heterosexual man. Right. You ain't squeezing on me for $3. Right, right? You know what I'm there? So, but a lot of guys, unfortunately, if you really want to make money, that's where the money's at. That's where the money's at.

Men pay. Like, that's the dynamic. Women are not used to pay. paying for attention for men. Yeah, it's like a man thing. Yeah, it's a man thing, right? So a lot of guys will go there to capitalize on the money. I'm just fortunate enough, bro.

I never was in a financial situation where I had to trade my... Yeah, they call it what, gate for pay? Gate for pay, yeah, yeah. So that's where the stereotype comes from, because there's always a straight woman that, oh, I just love, you know, just strip a guy, and then there's always a gay guy. Like, he's in the club every week, you know what I'm saying? And then that kills the woman's fantasy too. Like, oh, man.

Like, yeah. We used to get a lot of proposition. We were in heaven and bodybuilding. People just ask us. Yeah, bro. Do stuff like that. Yeah, yeah. Because that's a big part of it.

Like, it's actually called muscle worship. Yeah, muscle worship. Yeah, muscle worship. Yeah. So that's part of it. But I think that's where the majority of the stereotype comes. You know, and then, and then again, like, you know, like you said, like, once you open that Pandora's box.

Yeah. Right? You just... Dude, I don't think... If I'd have did that, every time I spent that money, it would have been a reminder of what I had to do to get that money.

It's not even worth it. Yeah, you're trading your peace of mind. And when you know money comes and go, yeah. Yeah, it's not a good deal. If you're not really like that, I think the guy that's winning, winning is the guy that's like that.

Right. And now he can capitalize... Yeah. Because he's comfortable with it. Dude damn switch hitters. Yeah. They're viable. Exactly.

With the baseball field, yeah. Yeah, if you can switch hit, bro, you're the man, right? Yeah,

but if you really compromising your, your, your, you're comfortable, your manhood, then you shouldn't. Because that money's going to come and go.

Like, it's, you know, because at the end of the day, all of those stupid, you know, what ifs that they exaggerate, a million dollars,

right? What if somebody offered you a million dollars? I'm like, million dollars I had a million dollars you got 10 minutes I'm gonna hire the best therapists I can find right right right but yeah like that ain't happening bro you know what I get it get it you might get it you might get into new pair of sneakers all that buddy going to a therapist yeah all that money go to a therapist there's

there may be a lot of money right you know what I'm saying like but it ain't happening ain't no indecent proposal you know that was that movie right um these It was a movie. It was kind of old now. Kirk Douglas and, Kirk Douglas. He dead damn old. Michael Douglas.

Michael Douglas? I think it was Michael Douglas and, uh, no, you're talking about an decent proposal where he offered a million dollars to sleep with a dude's wife. Yeah,

that's what I mean. Yeah, yeah, like, it ain't that scenario, man, you know, like, is, you know. I heard a lot of celebrities,

female celebrities, go overseas. I don't know if it's true or not, but he gets on boats, rich, all, um, Islamic people.

and they do sexual acts and stuff like that. Yeah, there was a fetish thing going on a few years ago in Dubai. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Where they would hire these gorgeous, gorgeous Instagram model, the model girls and fly them out there. And the goal was to just get this beautiful woman there and shit on her chest. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It was called a cleavage steamer.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And that was like a big fetish thing, right? And I think it was just a thing where you had a bunch of bored, super rich guys just saying, Hey, man, them dudes that they never get a woman. Yeah. Well, they'd be doing goats out there, so that ain't nothing to them.

Yeah. Yeah. So that was a big thing. Like, I don't know who came up with. Let's see who could degrade a chick the best. You know what I'm saying? Like, like, but I didn't get it, man. It's crazy.

Yeah. I just can't see in a sexual scenario of me getting any satisfaction. Yeah. I could even, you're talking about not being able to perform. I could never piss or do that on the check. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Even, I mean, I have pissed on the chick before. Oh, you have?

But, dude, to get started, it's like, it's like, bludududud, do. Look at a da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da. Yeah, like, you can't get it to come out. I know, but I'm in the bathroom, man. I can't, I can't really go with someone standing beside me sometimes. Yeah, man. Man, it's like a whole, you gotta do like a whole readjustment.

Like, yeah, yeah, it starts slow, drip, drip, jump in there we go. You got you in there, look at you. Yeah, man. I even, too, when I, you know, you jump off the plane, I always try to find a stall in the corner. Right, you know what, with the high wall. Right, right. Right, right.

Right, man, that shit is, wow. Yeah, man, people got some crazy-ass fetishes, bro. People just built different. Build different, man. It's crazy. Yeah, but Cass, that's a bad bitch one. Yeah, bro. Yeah, and so, dude, this is what I will say.

Obviously, we social media time, there's filters. She was real. Pictures get touched up and stuff like that. My man, in person, flawless. Most flawless woman I've ever seen. She looked airbrushed. Bro, airbrushed, bro. It looked like she'd walk around with a filter on.

It was like, wow. I'm talking head to toe, bro. That's crazy. Yeah, I'm staring at the pinky toe. Pinky toe, lit. yeah you got out i'm some pretty women you look at that feet like man what the hell up in your feet yo but she was she was tanned from top flawless bro flawless yeah you never had like uh opportunity just like talk with her or anything i wouldn't bro i wouldn't like i i have to say coming

into that situation um it it first of all it's overwhelming right like you know you would it's just it's just different bro like there was a different aura you know what i'm saying like and I was grateful, right? And so I wasn't doing nothing to fuck this up. Like, there was no way that I was going to think in my mind, you know, let me hit up on the side. I'll tell her, yo, I'll split my tips with you. Lead a billionaire.

Yeah. We're going to count up these sweaty ball money and live a good life. Come on, man. I'm realistic, right? I'm just happy to be. there. Like, dude, there's some of the other guys that's actually like, I think we had a connection. Like, whatever.

Whatever. Yeah, yeah. As soon as she says, she need her hand done, you out the game. Yeah, I knew better, bro. I just like I said, I was just happy to be there. Happy, you know, shit, dude, like I said, two, two grand a pop, Friday, Saturday, Sunday. That's a fucking hell of a weekend for me. You know how many fatties I got a windmill for six games?

Yeah, you know, the helicopter with the fatty bro? Dude, my vertebrains is fucked up. Yeah, a lot of people think you have sex with all these beautiful women, but man, somebody's one of you looking crazy. Man, most of them probably be looking crazy. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, it's, it's.

real man like like you know there's there's a there's a small percentage of very beautiful women period period yeah yeah period right so then the think you're gonna find them that's interested and first of all if she is beautiful she can get sex like that right so she can get all the money she wants so finding one that's looking to pay you and pay you top dollar with you that's like it hit by lightning yeah dude this is what be killing me. Sometimes I look at the comments and it's guys in the comments. Like, you sold his soul.

Like, how could he do that? Oh, this man has no scruples. And I'm like, bro. People are so judgment. First of all, bro, when the last time anybody paid you? Any woman paid you and said, you're going to tell me if you changed places with me.

Yeah. And that woman opened the door and the vogue, you're going to take that. the high road. Oh, I don't do things like that. Come on, man. Like, I'm not trying to glorify it or whatever, but you mean, you're going say no. Oh, they're just hating. You're going to say no. Yeah. Oh, that guy has no scruples. He'll do anything for money. No, I would not do anything for money. But have sex with her for money? Right. No problem. Yes.

Have sex with her for free. Yes. No, actually give her money. Possibly. Like, come on, man. What we're talking about, man? It's crazy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. People like to judge people. Yeah, I'm not, we're not those dudes. Yeah, from the side. We're trying to get the details. Hey, look, bro, obviously, man, we could have very closely been coworkers. You guys are you guys, if you guys got the couple of the first couple of calls with the right way, we couldn't be all right.

You know? Yeah, we're definitely going down that road for a minute. Yeah. The only thing that kept me from doing it was, think about mama. My mama was really religious and I couldn't. Yeah. I don't know. I mean, I've done some shit, though.

I think we've both done stuff. Oh, everybody. Everybody. Everybody. Come on, bro. Nobody's perfect. Everybody. Look, dude, if you was a young dude with a decent look and a decent physique,

you don't consider some shit, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just like every young pretty girl that went through a tough time has considered jumping on a pole. Yeah. Or considered, maybe I should give this guy something to see if I can come up. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's stuff we all consider, right?

It's the whole Kim Kardashian effect. Man, she blew up after a little. Bro, just off of a low-budget sex hate. She's a billionaire now. I know. And this is the crazy thing about Kim Kardashian. She didn't have to do it, bro. Like, her father was just rich lawyer.

She just did it for the clout. It wasn't even the struggle. You know what I'm saying? Like that's the thing you look at like, wow, man. Like there's women in difficult places financially that this is their only way. Like this is what I got to do. She did it because I can get some views. I'll be famous.

Right. There's a reason why it's the world's oldest profession. Yeah. And it's always going to be biased. Always. That's big business. Yeah. Hey, do you think there's any proof that some of the baby oil was laced with drugs?

And I think it was all both. If the baby all was laced in drugs, that would have been all over the trial. Yeah, yeah. It had to back it up. That's the real reason why. Like, we joked about it. We laughed at the amount of baby oil in the amount of labs. Like, why are you confiscating it?

He, like, court in that shit. Yeah, but it was some dude in the lab just, like, testing it. Like, God, damn it. this more like he just get bored dropped this one's good some dude went through all um bottles for nothing right for nothing bro right yeah yeah that's what it was about they were looking for yeah to make it rico make it yeah i mean other than that that video that came out with him

beating cassie i mean he settled for that and and i think i mean when i looked at the trial i was Like, this has been a big nothing burger. I was like, this is not RICO, Raccoterian. But I think a Raccoterian RICO, I'm thinking of the mob, like an illegal business, you profiting from this. This was never a business. I'm not sure why they brought up the Rectorian or the RICO. Well, so they had to, right?

Because the thing he is guilty of is the domestic balance. Right. And that stuff, but the statute of limitations. Right. So it's like, we got to charge him with something. Like, we want to get them for something. And so they had to go sex trafficking, go racketeering. Now, the thing about the racketeering that a lot of people didn't even realize,

racketeering allows them to confiscate his assets. So that was always crazy to me because it is clear this man made his fortune off of music, clothing, and alcohol. Yeah. So now you're going to take all of that money because he sent assistance to buy ecstasy. That's crazy. That's right. That's wild. Yeah.

And had this dysfunctional abusive relationship with his girlfriend. We're going to take your $500 million that you made in a whole other way because now we're going to say this is organized crime. Yeah. And then they take his money. That's what bug me out. Like that. Yeah. That's like textbook definition of government overreach.

That's crazy. Yeah, dude. They had them in financial foreclosure. They had froze all this access and stuff for the outcome of the trial. Damn. Yeah. That's too, that's too, that's way too much. Yeah, like.

I'm telling him he pissed the wrong person off. Yeah, they're going after him basically, because of that video. And he tried to make a case from that video. But they keep cross somebody too. But I think that that backfired also because between the misinformation of the child trafficking, the laced baby all, the blackmail videos of all the celebrities, going into this case, I think we all thought we was just going to hear. some holy

details. And so when the actual details came out, I think that helped his image. Some embarrassing stuff, you know what I'm saying? But we, it was so much of a thought process that was going to be so much worse. Yeah, that we all felt

like that. You wasted all our time. You know what I'm saying? Like, like... I was expecting some stuff like that movie taken with Liam Nielsen in it. You know, something like that. This was nothing. Yeah, and dude, they, we were really hyped up for this big, dude, come on, man. You turn on the TV and you see like SWAT,

like running into his house and all his stuff. Yeah, like, and they did that at all his homes. Not just one, they ran in in Miami and Los Angeles. Everybody's running in his home, taking stuff like his family's out on the curb, looking to stress, sitting on the curb. You just thought it was going to be some dead bodies in the backyard type of thing, you know? And so when you just say all of this was just him, his girlfriend,

another male and baby all. That's crazy. Yeah, it was... It really made the prosecution look bad, I think, in my opinion. They never even did that to Epstein. I wonder if they took his assets. They didn't do that to Hugh Heffner. They didn't do none of these people.

A lot of people who are just actually traffic in one of them, but I don't say it's trafficking. I think it's just more like prostitution. I think that when you throw in Rico and Rackettan, I think that's too much. Yeah, maybe, what's that guy's name? Playboy Maxim, Heffner. Maybe he didn't actually fly nobody in his mansions.

I'm sure he did. I'm sure he did. I'm sure he did. He had a mansion. Yeah. He almost had, like, the universal pimp story. Mm-hmm. Like, you get all these young girls.

He comes from all over the world. I want to go to California and make it. You know what I'm saying? And it's damn near a step above that runaway you meet at the bus station. Right. station come live at this mansion and just walk around in a thong with bunny a thong with bunny ears on yeah and this is a career but if you yeah if you take that glitz of the pay playboy mansion that's like some pips you know yeah exactly what a pimp does yeah so yeah it's just

it's just how they want to spend the narrative spend the visual of it and be cromby and fitch they actually got convicted of some serious charges and be crombie and fitch yeah the owner than that yeah Yeah, but what did they get? Because the crazy thing is all this stuff was going on simultaneously with the ditty trial and it's just like swept under the rug. You'd barely hear anything about it. Right. All we know about it's the ditty trial.

We don't know nothing about that trial. Yeah. Yeah. You know what that is? Racism. Well, was nobody in that trial named the Punisher. Right. That's what.

I said everything off. Yeah. The punishment was covered. You still get a lot of like a lot of interviews all over the place, huh? Yeah. Yeah, man. And actually, man, I'm grateful for them, right?

Because the trial's not televised, right? So when you just show up on a news report, yeah, and this guy to punish you, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, like, first of all, look, I get it. When you're a stripper and now prostitute, right? You're gonna get the lowest level of stereotype. Everybody's just going to think you're just the biggest douche. Whatever.

So I'm grateful I was going to go on every interview, every podcast, every news station. Because look, if it's going to be a narrative out there about me, at least let people see me and hear me talk. And at least judge it on that. Yeah. When I was watching your inner-ups, man, this dude is educated. The dude, stupid curve, intellectual conversation. I was expecting the worst. Yeah, it's like, oh, we want me to stick it.

We want me to stick it. You first? You first? Who going first? Right. Right. Yeah. Yeah.

So I was like, dude, I got to get on as many platforms as possible, bro. Because I already going to deal with the stereo. Dude, for the rest of my life, you Google me. Right. And this is what you're going to see. Right. Right. So let me put some stuff you can see with it, some interviews, some stuff where it says,

all right, he made some crazy. some crazy decisions, but he, he, I'm like, yeah, I was like, I got to try to control this narrative to some degree, man. So, right. I've seen an interview you did. I forget the woman's name, old up white lady. I think it was on News Nation. Yeah, News Nation.

She was like, low-key wanted to get with you. Yeah, people would say that in the comments. Yeah. She's like, I'm hitting them up since. Like, yeah. Because she showed a picture. She was like trying to act like she was disgusting, but she totally, she was totally, she was totally dick.

I want that same outfit, that same mask. He's laughing too hard. He's been calling him up there. Yeah, man. You can totally tell you this. Oh, man, that's crazy. Yeah, dude, I would say

to be involved in such a negative light, I can't complain, like, the way I landed on my feet. I still get some some negativity, and a lot of it is misinformation, right? Because some people know small parts.

Like, I'll get a message like, like, how could you pee on Cassie? I'm like, I didn't pee on her. You know what I'm saying? That's the other guy. Yeah. Or one of the guys actually said he heard her getting beat up in a room. Yeah. And then she came out and then he tried to have sex with her.

Like, how could you? And I was like, yo, that wasn't me. Yeah, that's like, when you hear this stuff from these people? Yeah. And then, like, people was upset over the verdict. I was like, man, did you even follow the trial? I know. I know.

people will be upset over this burden. People will eat us up in these comments on this video. Probably will. Yeah, yeah. So yeah. So that, that's the negativity I am getting is misinformation. But the cool thing about it is somebody will put up a nasty misinformation comment. Right.

But because I've come off kind of cool and likable, people jump on them. Right. Like, you don't even know what you're talking about. You know what he wasn't even there. I was like, wow, man. People's defending me. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, they go defend Camelo, Anthony.

I'm sure this people's going to defeat you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, man. But I defended Trump. I defended, I mean, I didn't jump on anybody's side, but I can tell that did he try? I think majority of it was BS. I mean, bro, look, from what the charges were and what we were expecting when you actually saw what the facts was, it's kind of like. Like Trump, perfect example. You got, what, 34 felonies? I know that's all BS. He might be convicted of it, but I was like, I know it was it was a BS trial. Well, look, like we said earlier about that man act, right? They make these laws with so much flexibility.

Right. That you can take almost something anybody does and apply it. Like, dude, like we joked about it. But seriously, you telling your wife no. And she doing it anyway at the middle of the night. Yeah, I can bring her case against that. She's sexually insulted. Yeah.

It's crazy. Your wife or not. Yeah. Based on how you can choose to interpret the law that way. You know, if you, yeah. Yeah. So that's what makes it scary, right? Yeah.

You can do it. Almost every guy, single guy, right, has a scenario where you met a girl online somewhere and whatever. Hey, I'll fly you in. You just sex traffic. Yeah. Right. If you fly in and pay for a hotel, you got some money, maybe you take a shopping.

Yeah. Give her a couple of dollars. I'm coming with. Dude, me coming here, a girl that I date that I used to date in California, right? If I would have made arrangements for her to come here and she said, well, I'm going take two days off work and I say, well, okay, here's a couple of hundred dollars. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I just, I just sex draft with it. I just broke the law. All she got to do is make a complaint. All you got to do is make a complaint. And then, so when you look at how loosely the law can be interpreted, you can arrest anybody at any time. Yeah.

And make a case that they broke the law. So it's no joke. Yeah. Yeah. Man, this has been a damn good show. Yeah, nah, I appreciate it, man. I drunk my Red Bull, man. I said, I got to come correct, bro.

I said, I was watching y'all. How y'all bounce off each other? I was like, nah, they ain't leaving me in the gut dust. I got to get involved. You know what I? Well, you, like, you come across us on social media anytime before? I did, but dude, you know, I'm old school, right? So I'm, I pay attention to, but it got to be like a topic personally.

So I watch some, it's how you'll narrate some stuff. Like, I think I watched the one. Even before I heard of you, I saw it one way. It was like the big white guy. that had road rage. He was like a vet or something. Yeah, so I come across your stuff, but I didn't watch it to the point to be like,

when I started watching it coming on, I was like, oh, these guys is nuts. I got to be ready, man. They come correct, bro. So, no, this was good stuff, man. And then for you all listening, in case of freezing me, they got to plug my book. In case of freezing me, it's a good read.

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Instagram is at get punished. My website is frees meed.com. And yeah, that's about it, bro. I need to get to Twitter and YouTube. I got to get something going on, bro. Right. Oh, you need Twitter. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Hey, man, it's been a pleasure. Bro, listen, this was great, man. I enjoy you guys. This was awesome, man. You got some strong-ass hands. Hey, look, bro, I got to stay in shape, bro. A damn punish over here. Dude, you should have to have the strong hands.

the way he knows he put you out where he's talking about the what was that audio so what exactly did she say when she was coming yeah he wrote it's a detail i want to hear what she sounded like that was a damn good show yeah oh man cool bro this was awesome man thanks for having