Hodgetwins Podcast - Hodgetwins Ask Candace Owens About Her Relationship With Charlie Kirk And The Impact Of His Death

Episode Date: February 14, 2026

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Hodge Twins. Hortense. Yeah. Before we get started, I wanted to give our condolences to you. I know you and Charlie were really close, so I can't imagine what this has been like for you because when we saw what happened, it was very traumatic for us,

and we only met him a couple times. Yeah, I probably spoke maybe 100 words to Charlie, but it felt like I lost a family member that day. Yeah. I think a lot of people felt that, which was really interesting, like the impact of his assassination, I think was not like anything we've ever seen.

I actually met you guys through Charlie. Do you remember that? Right. Yeah. Yes, I remember that. Charlie and I were doing something and we had you guys speaking. Exactly. Washington.

Yeah. Yeah, in Washington, D.C. Yes. Mm-hmm. Man, wow. So it's been a time. Where were you when that tragedy happened at the time? Well, I was here.

I was upstairs prepping for my podcast show. We were just going to do a regular episode. And Savannah came downstairs and said, you know, Charlie's been shot. Yeah, it was a, it was just, it's just so crazy. And I didn't even, I couldn't even comprehend what she was saying. Right. Obviously, we just immediately canceled the show and sent everybody home. Exactly.

We did this. We did the exact same thing. So from a moment I found out he had been shot, we went to trying to find out if he's okay. And then when I saw the, the video, I just, we could, I couldn't function for like three days. Just went on. Yeah. The majority of the world, except for Turning Point USA, I think felt that way, which is remarkable. I think everybody shut things down, didn't do things the next day, the day after. And I just, there was something almost like spiritual about what happened.

And the amount of emails that I've received to the exact same effect of how impacted people were. And some people who had never even heard of him, you know, people that have never been to the United States, It's just something about that video and the way that he died. And we've obviously seen a lot of violence and a lot of crimes over the years, but that was something different. Right, right. Now, I want to get to talk to you about your show. Like, it's been a lot of people attacking you on your work about Charlie Sassanage. It seems like they really misunderstand what your show is about.

Like, from my perspective, you're making, you're not making any declarations about who killed him or what happened. It's like you're putting out things that you're following like leads and just. then you putting that out to the public to share with everybody what's going on and what information you have. Am I right about that? Yeah, it has been very strange to see the immediate reaction that people had, some people, I would not say the majority opinion, obviously, but the people in media were certainly offended at the prospect of people investigating what happened on that day, which to me

signals that there was a foregone conclusion. And that foregone conclusion was Tyler Robinson did it and he acted alone. And you could just see that there was a lot of money that was backing this idea that to even investigate anything regarding what happened on September 10th was a sin greater than what happened on September 10th. It was unbelievable. Right. And it looks like a lot of these attacks are coming from the right, which is shocking to me. Yeah, it's like they've been trying to, lately they've been trying to label you as a grifter and just trying to discredit you as a grifter. Yeah. To be honest, it has not been the right, but it has been the Zionists on the right. Oh, okay. Yeah, that's a huge distinction. Which is a huge distinction, yeah, because I think the right

has been infiltrated by the never-Trumpers. And sure, they call themselves the right, but they're not. They're just the pro-Israel. They have to be on the left to support Israel. Then though on the left, you know, they were happy to try to assist Hillary Clinton in winning back in 2016 because they were so virulently anti-Trump. But now they love Trump. And even though they wanted to Sanchez, they love Trump.

And so we're just dealing with neocons. And there's nothing actually conservative about them. You know, they have some talking points. I'd like lower taxes, but then they are pro-war all the time, which obviously makes entirely no sense. Yeah. They have, there has definitively been, you could see what the line is. If you support Israel, you do not support the investigation into who killed Charlie Kirk. I wonder why.

Right. It's almost like they're scared what you're going to find, whether it's going to be something, you know, nefarious and turning point or it's going to eventually lead to Israel. That's the gist I get from it. It's like they're scared that you're digging, that you're asking a question. That's like one of Charlie's biggest motto is like, keep asking questions. That's how you know we're still free. And it's like they're going away from what Charlie really wanted turning point to become. Yeah. And to be clear, Charlie died allowing people to ask him questions to prod narratives. And they're trying to convince us that his legacy will only be protected if we all agree not to ask any questions about how he. died, which doesn't make sense. And they've, despite having tons of money and financing that

sort of psychological operation, it has failed. It has failed because people realize that what is obvious is they are not upholding any of the values that Charlie held dear. And free speech would be primary among them, the values that he held dear. And so it has been an interesting time. And I agree with you. Most people were not comforted by the fact that people, people, you, people were not comforted by the fact that BB Netanyahu felt it necessary in the immediate aftermath to declare that he didn't kill Charlie Kirk. That was evil. And that he, it was very strange.

I don't know if you felt the need to say that on your podcast. I didn't feel the need to come out and say that on my podcast. It's not a normal thing to feel that you need to declare immediately after somebody is shot and killed that you didn't kill them unless you most certainly did. Right. Yeah. Like I was really upset when it happened because, what, a couple months, a few months before happened, there was a man on the roof to try to take out President Trump.

And it's like, that's the first thing I would look at as to security. If I was security for Charlie, was to always keep an eye on the roof. It's like common sense. How does someone get up on the roof? How do they allow something like that to happen? Because if anybody is going to try to take someone's life, it's always going to be from a distance. Right.

Yeah, that's exactly right. And when we obviously were then subjected to Brian Harpoles, a very unconvincing interview with Sean Ryan, he shows one text message. That's not even his. It's actually Dan Floods. And he says, look, we asked about roof access. And we got one response that said, yeah, I'll look into that for you.

And that's all they did. And as I was investigating, I determined that they absolutely were only referring to that walkway that was behind Charlie. They never came early. They never did a walkthrough. The only thing they were concerned about, and they kept insisting to the UVU. police was that they wanted to make sure that Charlie's car had a clean exit. That was their primary concern. The university had advised against Charlie doing an event outside in that location because of the fact that they could not control traffic flow. So that makes sense. If we can't check

your tickets and make sure you're here for this event and know who you are, you're a sitting duck. And despite this, a turning point insisted that that that. That's what Charlie wanted. He wanted to be outdoors. And so they even declined the security recommendations from both the police and UVU. So it's, it's, that's amazing. Definitely is very strange. Yeah. I mean, when you work with Charlie, I mean, he didn't build that organization along. I was like, you had a big part in that. When y'all went to these, um, these, uh, Q&As, how, how, how, how effective was security? I mean, I would think I would have like president level security.

that event was nothing like anything I had ever seen. They allege on a turning point side that Charlie had done some outdoor event. I think it was here actually in Tennessee. And he had then loved that sort of colosseum setup, the amphitheater set up so much that he wanted that going forward. So that was something recently that they said that he was demanding. Obviously, no, of course, basic security protocol, even if I said, I really want this, the security team would say, well, you really can't have this because it's just not secure. And everyone is telling you not to do this. And clearly, what Charlie

wanted, Charlie didn't get at his organization. You could see that even in terms of how they were controlling who could come speak. So the idea that this one thing, they allowed him to push through and say, oh, no, he's got to have that coliseum set up doesn't ring true to me. It seems like somebody else was pushing for that. Of course, the security could have said to him, no, especially. because he's contracting them and their reputations are on the line. There was no pushback at all. There was only push forward on the Turning Point USA side, the security apparatus. Typically, of course, there's traffic control. There are tickets. They know who's buying those tickets and people are reserved. So that was just all completely violent. Anybody could have

walked up and sat down in that event if they wanted to. everything that I saw, even from Terrell being there, was the first time that's ever happened. He's the guy who notoriously filmed himself after Charlie got shot and said Charlie's dead within two minutes. And then right after that, rather than running toward this person that he's worked with for over a decade or calling 911, it's amazing. None of them thought to call 911. He runs down to remove the cameras. And so one of my first questions was why was Terrell there? I've done tons of events. Terrell doesn't go to these school events. And they said, well, we were trying something new that day.

Like what? An assassination? Like I don't, what were you trying to? You don't try things new in the, in the middle of a Q&A. And even stranger

is that Terrell, they were trying something new that day, but don't forget they had scheduled Charlie to have an event just 10 days later at UVU. He also had an event later that week at Colorado.

Terrell wasn't slated to be there. So they were not just trying something new. They were trying something new for just one day that required Terrell. There was no communication between Terrell and the events team for the events that were in the immediate future. There was no security planned for the event that Charlie had the very next day at Colorado. There was no communication note.

So it's almost like the security knew that that event was not going to take place.