Hodgetwins Podcast - Hodgetwins DEBATE Destiny On The "Trans" Issue...

Episode Date: October 21, 2025

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What do you call it? Being a cuck. Yeah, that's the one. You're a cook advocate. Yeah. It's like what Adam 22 is kind of doing, right? Yeah, for a while. I don't know.

Yeah. Yeah. But so I would ask you this. Mm-hmm. We have a little experience in this, not actually. Well, we'll get to that. I'll get to that. Yeah.

Okay. Jesus. Okay. So, so what is it about, do you like, it's tough question? You know? I'm never, I'm,

yeah, explain to us. No, shut up, my ass to question. So what about, do you, so you like watching other men have sex with your girl or your wife? No, not really, no. No. Explain to us. Explain to us.

So before the red pill shit, these are just called open relationships. But then after, like, the red pill stuff, people became obsessed. I call it cuck hunting where people would, like, look for cuckoldry, like, fucking everywhere. Like, if you're a girlfriend, like, fuck the guy, you know, like, five months before you started dating her,

people would call you, like, a cuck. It's like an insane obsession. Oh. But the, I mean, like, I'm, I'd say I have a decently high sex drive. I like to fuck around. Obviously, I've got a lot of access being a YouTuber guy. And if I date somebody, I want to access. People slamming your deems.

Yeah, of course. You guys, I'm sure, right? But the, yeah, so like if I want to sleep around, I imagine if I'm going to date somebody, they're probably going to be sleeping around too. And, you know, because I don't think I could ever do. I know that in some of the communities people advocate with these, like one, one-sided, open-ended relationships, which just seems, I don't believe any of those actually work.

I don't think they're even real. I think the girls are always fucking around. the guys are just naive. Right. So, yeah. I was looking at from the wrong perspective. I had a wrong impression. I thought you like,

watch your. No, yeah, because that's a meme because if you're like, nowadays there's no such things like an open or probably whatever the fuck. People just all like call it all cuckoldry. Right,

right. Yeah, we had some experience in Illinois. Now it's in Marine Corps. No, this guy like, what's that? Well,

I got here now. What's the experience? I'll tell you. So I was a horny bastard when I was like 20, right? So I lived in Orange County, California. Okay. And it was the,

Orange County Register was the paper and had an adult classified section in the paper. Oh, no. It's no cell phones back in there. But it's no cell phones or anything like that. So keep that in mind. It's like all we had was pages, right? So I created an online account. Well, it's not even online.

The Internet would be big yet. You would call this phone number, set up an account. I forgot how you paid for it. You would pay it over the phone or whatever. And they give you minutes. So you would go on this thing, right? So yeah, my name's Keith Hodge. I'm six foot two.

Black male. I'm in shape. I got green eyes and shit. you give you put your profile and then people hear your profile and then they respond if they're interested three four days went by i wasn't getting no love i was like man this is bullshit yeah racist huh yeah racist racist people they're not negroes but anyway finally i get a mess up blue i got one message so i pushed the pound to hear the message as a guy i'm like oh fuck a homo homosexual right but it wasn't even that yeah it was um it was just a guy he was like in the

watching people have sex with his wife. Yeah. I was like... Looking for that big black bull. Yeah, that's what he's looking for, yeah. It runs along those communities a lot, yeah. Yeah, so I said, do you know what?

This sounds kind of interesting. I said, but I'm not... Man, this didn't turn out to be Jeffrey Dahmer or some shit. So I said, I got a twin brother. Can I bring him along? He said, the more the merrier. So, but he keeps going.

Shut up. I'm telling the story. So I pick up Kevin. We get there. There's a white couple. They're in like the 50s. And Big House. He's a lawyer.

Very fluent, man. Yeah, and she's his secretary. And they work together. And we're talking. And I see a picture of two twin kids. I'm like, oh, you have twins. I was like, where are they? Oh, they're at Grandma's house tonight.

You ain't got to worry about them. But long story short, we had sex with his wife and he watched. Yeah. It was crazy. Because I couldn't even. get hard because he kept looking at me. Was this the first time you guys had fucked in front of each other? Yeah, it was like, it's weird because you're looking at each, you're looking at yourself.

And the guy's freaking out, he's walking around stroking it, right? And this dude, he's about this tall. Yeah, short, fat, bald white guy. And his mushroom tip is as wide as this. No, it wouldn't that be. It was like that bottle right there. Well, it was like this. That's still pretty wide.

Yeah. That's huge. Who's you going to fuck with that? And he had, like, he had Frankenstein stitches on the side of it. Like he had some kind of surgery. It was the weirdest thing. Yeah. And when I went up in.

He was cock gazing, huh? Well, you could help. Because I was doing it. He just busted in the room. His fat pop belly wrong Jeremy looking dude. You know, he's supposed to be watching you, right? Not the other way around. Yeah.

But he wasn't. He was freaking out because he's watching us. Watch. One girl, three. guys in a room the girl's getting the least attention, huh? You guys are all.

Jesus. I was, I was, I'm... She's just along for the right. He was freaking out here. He had a freaking cock. It's the biggest cock ever son of my life. I thought I was old.

This dude had a horse cock. Anyway, I thought, I thought, though, he probably had some enhancements, though. Yeah. But I... The stitches are for, yeah, augmenting. Yeah.

Yeah. But that's what I was thinking, because I had to see, no, many people are saying you're a cut, but you're not a cut. You just, just open relationship. Yeah.

Yeah. So do you think that's what hurts your marriages? Oh, do you think they would really love marriages? You just dated for like... Like, I love the people, but I'm not like a marriage guy. I'll do it if I need to. Like if I date somebody in there from like another country, it's like, well, we have to get married.

Otherwise, we can't live together. I'm not going to do a fucking long-distance relationship. But like if there were two people, I think the only time I'd ever like get married, like if I needed to would probably be like if there was a kid involved just because of the financial stuff and the paperwork and the... Because it's weird otherwise because there's like, you're going to live with a woman and paid child support to her while you're like taking your kid to school and custody it'd be weird yeah but otherwise yeah i'm not like a big yeah you don't like you don't like traditional matters because you think that um that social contract is more in favor of the female though though the fuck no no jesus christ no no absolutely not um i just um sorry i fought against a lot of people who say that no it's not even about that i just um my life is so unconventional i'm sure even for you guys right like just the crazy online shit the putting out content people saying things about you people

I don't know, they go after like family members or whatever if you start finding people. Yeah, they're, yeah, it's wild. So whatever relationships I'm in, they're probably going to look like pretty unconventional because my whole life is like very unconventional. I work like 14 hours a day, travel around the world or the United States. Yeah, everything's just really weird. Okay, so you're straight. You're straight guy?

I'm like bisexualish. Bisexualish. I don't think I'd ever date a guy. I'll hook up with him. What the fuck? I don't want to date a dude. Yeah? Fucking gay.

What's the fuck? What? They're going to fucking cuddle with a homie after sucking his dick? How fucking nasty would that be? Holy shit. Well, what I think of bisexual, I think of gay. Yeah. Okay, well.

Then I'm either lying about the gay side or I'm lying about the straight side. So I guess, I don't know. I'll figure it out one day. So you don't consider itself gay, you're bisexual. Yeah, like gay light. That's gay-splaining. Yeah, because look, look, straight people have sex with straight people. Right.

And then you have, uh, gay people, they'll fuck anything. That's why I say when I look at bisexual. Also, is gay, like, bisexual? Your version of bisexual? Yeah, when I think of a bisexual, I just think of gay because bisexual, I mean, gay people have sex with both. It's just gay. They fuck anything.

Yeah. Like, if I, what does the homo sexual mean? Isn't that just mean one? Like, you just fuck one thing? I don't know. Well, homosexual. Listen, if that's what gay is to you, then I'm gay. Yeah, like, if I came home, like, if my wife came home and I was down sucking a dude's cock,

She would say I'm gay. Yeah. Would you say, would she say you're gay or that's gay? I'm gay. Okay. Yeah. I think I have most people. I came across a couple online.

This dude is straight to a trans woman. And he said he sucks her off. She has a cute little penis. It looks like a clitorious. Okay. So the opposite of the Frankencock. Yeah. But he doesn't consider himself gay.

Okay. That's like, that's gay. Okay. Hey, so. Do you, do you, do you, do you, do you, see it differently or? I mean, I guess you could. I don't know, I don't think about the,

I guess I'm more interested in the underlying content than the label for it. I don't really care as much. Yeah, you don't pay too much of what straight gay, you don't really care. No, I don't really think too much about it, no. Yeah, so you ever think about marrying a guy since the women ain't working out? It's a good idea, actually. Yeah?

It would be easier, I think, because guys are just better in every way. That's why the Red Pill guys say, don't live with your girlfriend, don't live with your wife, just fucking move in with your bros who enable you to be better and stronger and, yeah. So you've, you slept with a guy? before? Hooked up with a guy before, yeah. Hooked up, what you mean?

Like, just sucking cock-or. Basically, yeah. Oh, yeah? Yeah, slobbing on some... Yeah. We didn't have to break out the Vaseline, you guys. Nothing like that, thankfully. No, hey.

Destiny's talking about this. Before the show started, I had this Vaseline right here because I can't find my chapstick. Okay. Okay. Okay. Um, what was I going to go to? Yeah, this whole cock sucking is.

I didn't know you were, um, bisexual. When did you determine, when did you, uh, first realize you was attracted to men? Yeah. I don't know, I think it was like late 20. I was like, oh, why don't try it? Fuck it. Really? Sure, why not?

You only live one life, you know? Dude, you're very open-minded. Whatever, dude. I'll try anything once. Wake up, I'm going to suck a cock today. I've, like, I don't know. Like, I don't know I was corrected to girls like. Yeah.

Like very early age, you know? Yeah, I think that's pretty normal. I feel the same, yeah. You were the same way? Yeah. And then what do you think caused the bisexual stuff to come on? Do you think it's like bad experiences with women or... No, I think it's just trying.

I'm just curious. Do you watch porn? I do indeed watch porn, yeah. You think that may have led to it? Because porn, man, that'll take you down some damn dark rabbit holes. We speak from experience. Yeah? I don't know.

I've heard people talk about that, but I've never had that. Like if you were to go through, like when I go to drug off to porn, I'm looking at like blowjabs or people fucking. I've never gone down like the crazy. Oh yeah. Oh, give it time. Give it time. I mean, I'm 35. I feel like if it was going to happen.

It would have happened by this point. I was going to hit you when you least expect. Okay. Yeah. I went down some. Go see, porn. That shit puts a tumor in your brain and then it metastasizes and goes to your dick. And it fucking, like, man, I mean, I came across the scene of a chick doing a dog.

I was like, oh, this is hot. I was like, wait a minute. What the fuck is going on? Was this before or after you finished? Stop myself. I feel like you could say the same for like any hobby. Like I think that you can jerk off to porn responsibly or you can go crazy with it.

But I think that's true like anything, right? Like you look at a video game. You can play a video game for an hour or whatever or you've got people who lose their entire fucking lives to games like sitting up all day. You can smoke some weed every now and then to relax or hang out with friends or you can be a guy that has to smoke every single fucking day because of anxiety or to sleep or whatever. So hobbies are good servants but bad masters.

And too many people let their hobbies run their lives or whatever they get obsessed with. That's true. You got to take accountability and be responsible for your own actions. Too much porn. Yeah. You know what saved me? What? Christ.

Yeah. He put his hands on me. I looked up and then I saw his blown out, the blue eyes looking at me. He said, thou should not stroke of, thy dick of any more. I was free. Jesus. Blowing blue eyes. Moses left that commandment up on the mountain.

That was the 11th one. God wasn't done inscribing yet. Yeah. Man. Yeah, porn. I have to give that up. Yeah. I think if you could do without it,

it's probably good. But I think that's almost true of any kind of like vice-ish thing. Yeah. Like if you didn't play any games, it'd probably be better for you. If you didn't do any drugs, it'd probably better for you.

If you'd never drank alcohol, it'd be better for you. Yeah. But I mean, like, balance it out. Well, it all depends on in person, really. Some people, alcohol could be done recreational, and some people, it just turns into an addiction. Yeah.

Yeah. It all depends on the person, brother. I think the thing that frustrates me the most about talks about, like, bad vices, like porn or drugs, is people never talk about, like, how to use them responsibly. People take a zero-sum approach. Yeah. So if you walk around, it's like, do you guys remember, Dare? Dare, it was like the anti-drug shit.

How old are you guys? Oh, yeah, Dare. Yeah, I'm old. I remember that. Yeah, yeah, it was a big end. Yeah. I grew up until it was, like, 25. I thought if I smoked marijuana on my fucking dick.

would fall off. I think you see her the dumbest shit. Yeah, I wish people would just, rather than focusing on like, don't ever do this and don't ever do that, be like, this is what you should be aware of. And if this is happening, you probably need to slow down. Right. Or you need to stop. Like, yeah.

Being aware of, like, science of something is unhealthy rather than just like thinking some things are always good and somethings are always bad, I think would be better for people. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, that's true. People act like if you don't masturbate to porn for like two months, you can fucking levitate or something is kind of. Especially the Christian Conservatives. Yeah, sometimes, yeah.

You know, God's watching them when you bust your nuts. And you know they're busted of the crazy. of shit, too, because those guys are always looking at the wildest fucking shit, man. My God. Oh, yeah, they always are. You go to, like, the Mormon fucking states. You look at the that's, like, the highest instance of gay porn and shit. I don't know why, but. Hey, do you remember

the torrent? You know who turning point USA is, right? Yeah, Charlie Kirk. Yeah, Charlie Kirk. They had a porn star, actually, 10-1 of the events. Well, she went there. She wasn't invited, but she decided to pay the money and fly in. They found out who she was, and they kicked her out. I'm like, how did they find out who she was?

Every motherfucker. It's like, and I wait a second. Yeah, and he kicked her out. I didn't like that. That's the one thing. You know, I don't believe in censorship. And us being conservatives, we don't like censorship, right? And then they do the exact same thing.

Same thing that goes for Candace. What's the kind of thing with the donors? They got donors. Yeah. And there's pictures. I mean, money is the root of all evil. Yeah. But they call out the left when you do it, but they don't call it when they do it.

I think that, like, the problem is that I think people's always take hard stances on stuff and the the stance is not they they think they've got like a really hard stance on a thing but in reality there's just some factual thing they disagree with um so like nobody is a free speech absolute it's because as soon as you say like oh well should you be able post child porn like it's like okay well no not that i'm gonna switch gears okay uh trans rights what does that mean yeah trans rights yeah trans right what trans rights means is that if you don't have people investing money into surgeries and everything you're never, ever, ever going to see another frankend dick again in your life.

Because I bet that dick was the beneficiary of a whole bunch of research. That I'm still scar about that. Yeah. So is he, apparently, on two sides. The trans rights, that conversation is also super political. Yeah, yeah. On like a very basic, like, on the very, very, very, very fundamental, like scientific, biological, psychological side of it. It seems like there are some people that, for whatever reason, their brains seem to be sex differently in their bodies.

And in all the theripizing, therapeutic. whatever the fuck, and trying to get people therapy and trying to give people medication. I'm not thinking some truth to that. Yeah. And it seems like this. People are not doing this shit for nothing. Sure. Yeah.

Well, I don't know now, but generally in the past. You're doing it for shits and giggles, huh? Well, like the 85% of trans people that are not like non-binary psychosha, that's a separate thing. But for like trans people, we're actually trans people. It seems like there's an issue there. And it seems like of all the ways to treat them, you can either change the mind or change the body. And change the mind hasn't seemed to work. So then you help them change the body basically.

Don't seem like any of these shit's working. Well, I mean, like the changing the body works for like, like, those types of treatments work, but the issue is that now because it's, again, it's such a political issue. Now there's, like, trans is more like an aesthetic than. And I don't think it needs to be political. This is the thing, if you're 18 and over, I'm totally fine with it. Yeah. But I just disagree with letting little kids, as youngest, 5, 6, 7, they go through these surgeries.

I don't agree that it should be taught to kids. And I think that would be coming sense. Maybe. I'd be really careful with that. So I think that there's a couple things. So one, kids aren't generally getting surgery. That's pretty extreme. They're taking drugs to prevent their error. Yeah, they might be doing like Punity blockers or whatever.

But that's extreme too. Yeah, it can be. The thing that I would say is that whatever the research is pointing at, that's... There's no research on this. There's a lot of research. It's not long term yet. And it's still like, it's very controversial, right? I think that research at this point is tenuous.

Yeah, it probably is, for sure. But like, if there's research on a particular thing, I think that that's a choice that should be left between the parents, the doctors, and the child. But shouldn't the government protect kids from sick parents? It should, when reasonable, but like the problem is, and this is a hard one, because in America, we have to tolerate people here that we really disagree with. Sometimes I think people in America think that, like, tolerating differences in opinion is, like, well, you know, I want Bernie Sanders, but this guy likes Biden, so I guess we get along.

Or like, oh, like, I want Donald Trump for two terms, or this guy wants Donald Trump for a third term. And I think that's weird. And that's, like, the diversity. But really, it might be as different as like, yeah, like, I think that my kid at 14-year-olds should be on puberty blockers and you don't think that should be even allowed. But I think in the U.S., like, in my mind,

I've got a 13-year-old son. I'm just trying to think of, like, if my kid had a medical problem when he was 14 or 15 and there was treatment that might have been available, and I couldn't pursue it because, you know, desantis or somebody had, like, outlawed it. And if my kid ended up, you know, either dying or killing himself when you're 16 or 17,

I think I would lose my fucking mind on that. Now, I understand that there are definitely parents that can be abusive of children, and that's disgusting too. But the idea that you would block off... That's the same argument that people use for firearms. I like guns, okay? Fuck you, just because John fucks around with his gun and kills himself or has his kid killed,

doesn't mean you can take my shit. But that's the argument that people use for trans surgery. It's like, well, some parents are sick. And I was like, okay, well, some parents, like rape their kids. I'm not going to chop my dick off because you think I might... Like, what the fuck? No, that's crazy, yeah. I think that, I've heard that before that argument will,

affirming trans kids sexuality, their gender, saves lives. But I think that's an extreme way to look at it because, you know, mutilating or, I wouldn't say mutilating, removing body parts and blocking their puberty, I think that's,

that doesn't save lives. It's altering your life. For you to go out and say that it's going to save that life, it's just, you speak it metaphorically, and it's a bit extreme. Yeah, I mean. Nothing actually saves the kids. kids' life. Well, you're putting them in a position

where they're less likely to, I guess, kill themselves, right? Really? But does it prevent them from committing suicide? I mean, that's what the research would. You'd have to look to that. There's countless videos of people that regret that went through that process to transition. I've seen plenty of stories where people have transitioned, got to surveys, and they commit suicide. I've seen a guy, transition, became a girl, whatever. Looks just like a girl. Totally banged that if it was actual girl. But she ended up chilling herself.

Sure. But I mean, like there's a lot of stories on the other side as well. kids that weren't able to transition or kids that never fell right in their body and ended up killing themselves. You know what I think the problem is? We're trying to rationalize it. We try to rationalize it. I don't think you should rationalize anything when it comes to a child. I think they should make that ultimate decision when 18. I could care less if a man was where I dress.

I believe in frame. I believe in the Constitution. I believe in pursuit of happiness. But when you push that on a kid, when that kid more often than not has been taught that or indoctrinated. Yeah. Because we came across this trans family. And the guy wants to be a woman and the woman wants to be a man. They have a child, right?

And the male, the biological male who's living in his life as a woman is trying to breastfeed the child. Watch his video. You're going to show a video, huh? You're taking too long. You can make it better. I'm really thankful. or a Hanu for creating our family.

Oh, I have put it on here. The baby has been able to latch, but I've not been able to produce any milk, but it's okay because we're gonna supplement the feeding with formula so that my baby's still getting the nutrients that they need, but I'm still feeling hopeful. I appreciate you so much for all your work. And I appreciate you also, baby.

I'm gonna darn about you. You're gonna give me a warning. You're gonna start putting shit like this last thing. Jesus fucking Christ, all right? I'm not ready for that. My God. That's, uh... See, this is the thing.

But hold on, wait, to be clear, these are fucking weirdos. Okay. These are not like... Yeah. Like, because we can find fucking weirdos from every... My background is pro-gaming. You better believe there's a lot of fucking weirdos in my background, right? Or, like, for religious people, you've got people that let their kids die because they don't believe in, like, surgery or blood transfusion.

That's crazy. Right. But you wouldn't use that. argument is that all religion should be banned from the U.S. Right. Like, I agree there are fucking weirdos. I'm just saying that, like, in my, like, right now we're talking about trans stuff, but before it might have been like medication, right? Like, does

a child need to be on an amphetamine or a stimulator? There's a child need to be on an SSRI or whatever? And it's like, maybe they do, maybe they don't, but I think you need, when you're getting in between like a parent and a doctor about their kid, that's just, in my world, that's like the scary, you better have a dude, like solid, personally, personally,

I think the doctor's, everybody needs to be locked up. I mean, when you become a doctor, I mean, what you do should be based on science. There's not enough research with this. I think this is just Frankenstein doctors trying to make a buck. The only reason why we get to that video we got right there is because the weirdos, they would do anything to affirm their fake reality. That's why they're pushing this on kids. It's to affirm these wackos.

I think the majority of the kids that wants to, you know, go through these procedures because they're being doctored in. and those parents are trying to affirm their own lifestyle. Because you imagine when this kid grows up, what do you think is going to be straight? More likely it's going to be non-binary. Possibly, maybe, yeah. And I mean, like, yeah, these people are definitely weird.

But, like, I mean, like, how many trans people came from ordinary, well-adjusted families? Right. Right. Yeah. And it's like, to think about it, it's like the best thing for, like gay acceptance too now, right? Like your kid comes up to you and he's like, I need to tell you something? You're like, oh, fuck. And your kid's like, I'm gay?

You're like, oh, thank God. You're not known for a new. Oh, he's just gay, okay. This clip I showed you, that was in a documentary on the TOC. Sure. And irrational society was people would be locked up and that kid would be taken away. Maybe. But like, people would say that shit about some religious stuff too.

You've got to be careful for that, right? Oh, but that's, no, no. That is crazy. That's why I say we politicize things. We shouldn't look at things politically. It's either right or it's wrong. Yeah, but again, like, we're loading that, like, making it so obvious. Like, you talk about, like, cutting off genitals and stuff.

Like, we still, like, circumcised kids in the United States. That's good. That's a different from chopping it off. That's real weird, though. Why are you chopping parts of kids' dicks off? Yeah, I mean, I'm not circumcised, so I totally get it. Sure, but I'm just saying that's fucking weird, right? Yeah.

It's because you want the little boy's dick to look like the dad's dick, and that's really it, right? That's kind of fucking weird. Yeah, I've met my mom's. Not as weird as chop it at all. Might not be as weird, but it's still pretty fucking weird. And you can have complications that mean they have to chop it off, right? That was that one, uh, that one, there was a famous case study for a guy that they tried to make him a girl because at birth, they had, I think, a complication of him of circumcision,

so they end up having to take the whole dick. Yeah, I saw that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm not saying it's the same thing. I'm just saying that sometimes we think, like, we should only do what's clearly right or clearly wrong, and it's like, I mean, we've got other weird shit in society. You don't know.

You don't think you're playing Russian roulette with the child's life? You might, but the argument is you're already playing Russian roulette with a child's life because of these kids that do grow up trans and can't find any help of treatment, and then they'd offer themselves whatever. I look at it like this, when we have enough information on it. Like, right now I'll, like, proceed with caution.

I don't think anybody should be doing this until they're 18, but the parents that's proceeding with this type of life-altering medication and affirming the kids' lifestyle, I think when the data comes out, it's going to really hurt the gay community. Maybe, but I mean, if the data comes out and it doesn't work, it's not helping. Then we stop it. You walk it back.

Yeah. But, damn, we sacrifice a lot of kids. I think there's that many. Like, for surgeries and stuff, it's not, I don't think that's incredibly rare. Yeah, I'm a firm believer, sexuality is taught. The majority of us are straight because I had straight parents. If I grew up and I had two gay parents, I would think the majority of society would be gay. Yeah.

I think it's taught. I don't know if that's true or not. Yeah. I think the majority of society is straight because they have straight parents. I think it would be some outliers. Like you grew up a conservative family, right? Yep, super Catholic, yeah. Yeah, you're outlier.

You're bisexual. Gay, you know. You know, that's going to be outliers. Gay people raising a child. There's going to be some outliers. They're going to be straight. But I think it will be a huge increase in the gay population. Yeah, be the majority at that point.

Yeah. If everybody was raised to be gay. Yeah. Because that's how you were raised to be straight. But like you say, you're an outlaw. I think majority of society would be gay. I just don't know if there's like that research yet that shows that like if a kid is raised a certain way, it like correlates more with being gay. I think they've been trying to find that a lot because it's really hard to figure out where it comes from.

But I don't think we have a good understanding of what comes here. Let me paint a picture for you. Okay. You grow up, you got two gay dads. Yeah. Say you're adopted. Say they're two black men. Right.

Two gay black men adopt you, right? Make a white man. Huh? Make a white man. No, I want to make the story crazy. Two black men, right? Buffet's hell, biggest shit. Both from 6'3, just rippling muscle.

And every morning you wake up, you're like, oh, yeah, oh, yeah, take it. Oh, yeah, hey, Dad, I'm fin the gun. You hear that every morning. It's going to normalize it in your brain. Yeah. So the first thing you do when you hear pit, man, I want to get fucked like my dad. Because you being taught that. You know?

Maybe. Yeah, I don't know. I don't think the studies are out there yet for it, but who knows? Well, you say it's not enough studies out there for trans kids. Like me having a father and a mom and just like just my dad kissed my mom. That embed stuff into my brain. It teaches me certain things, I think. Yeah, yeah.

But if I didn't have that and I had two gay dads and I seen them kissing and stuff, and I'd be like, oh, man, you don't want some of that. You know what I mean? I just. I understand what you. You can keep saying the same story. I just, I don't know if there's actually like the, I don't know if there's anything to support that other than it sounds. So you don't think people can be groomed?

What do you mean by groomed? Like a pedophile when they do something to a kid. A lot of times a kid grow up and do that same thing to other kids when they grow up. Yeah. Pedophiles. I think it's possible, but like the majority of people that abuse kids aren't even pedophiles, like 10% I think of them. I'm just talking about pedophilia. It's possible.

I don't know. It's possible. I think that sexuality is really complicated. And I don't think we have any good answers for like there's a psychological side to it. There's an environmental side to it. Yeah, biological. It's hard to know. Like, yeah, I just don't think there's any strong research points to one side or another.

Yeah, the thing about trans kids, hop back on that. And it's like, man, we don't let kids smoke. We don't let a boat, drive a car. And for them to have an ability to even have an influence over their parents to have such a life altering it. Because you can't go back after that. Well, I mean, ideally, if you do puberty bloggers, you can, right? They say you can reverse it, but... Michael Jackson went through something like that.

That's why he has a high-pitched voice. A lot of opera singers do it too. For the men, I forget what they call it. So their voice will be high-pitched. How are like pictures like a woman, you don't, you don't get back. Some things you don't go back. Like females who jump on testosterone, they start growing birds and that voice get real deep. Once you get up at testosterone, you can't change that.

Bodybuilding women, that voice can't. Yeah, it's going to stay raspy. Some of these things that change. I mean, if you do hormones depending on, yeah, the female to male, one, there are things that change. Yeah, because when you have testosterone and the cartilage thickets in your whatever that causes the atoms have to come out, when you get rid of the testosterone that doesn't go away, so your voice is always a little different. So do you think trans women should be able to breastfeed their kids?

Oh, does actual fucking milk come out? They call it. They call it milk, but we all know it's sweat, pus and salt. What to listen, whatever they say it is in the fucking beaker, okay, when Walter White tested it, whatever fucking says, what they want to do it? I think it's fucking weird, but. If she takes those drugs and start. producing that milk or whatever they want to call it.

Do you think they should breastfeed their kid with that? Listen, I don't know. Take a stance, I don't know. Those two guys were weird for a whole bunch of reasons. They had nothing to do with being trans. Those are just weird fucking people. No, those are straight up trans. Yeah.

That is the trans community. The right down to nutshell. Look, this is my position. I'm all about people living in life how they want to live. It's got to be based in reality. But it's got to be based reality. Well, I mean, you say that. But then like every fucking atheist is going to say,

what about all the religious people? do all the weird shit with their kids. Man, let's stick to the crans. I'm just saying, you're based in reality. And you got, like, atheism versus religious people. That's like one of the fundamental disagreements between fucking, yeah. But we didn't tell about trans kids. So do you think they should be allowed to breastfeed?

I think that we should follow the science. If the science is one thing, if people want to do it, I mean, it's their choice, is their families that can do it. If there's not strong supporting evidence, then it should be experimental, so only okayed in, like, extreme circumstances. And if the evidence is pointing strongly against it, then you don't let them do it because it'd be harmful to the children. I guess it's absolutely.

But if you don't have the evidence. Like I said, well, if you've got like exploratory stuff, then it's experimental and you, like, greenlight it for extreme cases. Like if you've got like a parent or if you've got somebody dying of like some cancer and they're like, listen, you know, we can do chemo, we can do, you know, radiology or whatever. You got like two months. But there's this other thing. We could try it. You know, no guarantee. There's like clinical trials or whatever.

You'd like try that way. And then the trials, you see how they work. But yeah, I mean, that's all you do, yeah. Yeah. I think those parents, you need to banish it. I think those parents. You need to banish you, bro. For a very long time, they take the kid, right?

Take the kid. Have someone adopted and put them in a foster care. Those two people that we just saw, they shouldn't be nowhere near kids. Because let me tell you, let me explain to you. This is probably going to make you uncomfortable. Well, it probably won't because you're gay. But for me, my nipple is an erogenous zone. Right.

Okay. Like when your nipple, you're one of them? Both of them. Okay. Right. When my wife touched it, I get a hard erection. Me too. Right.

My nuts. Hard erection. My nuts get tight. My nuts like two tennis balls sitting together. Yeah. That's an of Rogers. Yeah. So.

You don't think women don't feel the same way? Yeah, women feel the same thing. I just want to. This is just anecdotal. Hey, shut up. This is just anecdotal. But that's an erogenous Jones for a lot of people, men and women. And this dude's getting sucked off.

Well, well, he's trying to breastfeed. Women get sucked off when they're breastfeeding their kids. It serves the purpose. It's got milking. Sure. That's why women can do it. My nipple serves no purpose. Yeah, that's weird.

I agree. There's no milk. No, no, that's pretty fucking weird. I agree with that, yeah, 100%. Yeah, my wife told me when she was breastfeeding, she said it hurts. The kid laxies on. It's like a little fucking rabbit just about to bite your fucking nip off. So it's nothing.

That dude, there's no nipple. It's just sick. This shit needs to be banned. This is my mental test. This is what I do when I think about shit like this, okay? If you're in power and you're saying, I want to prevent kids from X, Y, Z, the government needs to have the power to make this illegal. What I try to think of is, okay, let's say that the guys that I don't like are in office and they have the same power.

What would they take from me? And if I feel like I stand to lose more than I'd gain otherwise by having that power, then I'd say, well, fuck that. So the only thing that scares me about saying, like, oh, well, if I'm this transchie, we're going to ban this and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. If I were religious, I'd be worried about all the parents that are like, well, I think taking, you talk about indoctrination earlier, I think confirmation is indoctrination. I think that taking kids to church and making them, you know, listening to people speaking in tons, that's indoctrination. I think that's indoctrination. I think that's indoctrination, that should be illegal. And if you guys want to ban the queer books or whatever the fuck from school, we should ban bibles and shit as well.

So it's like, uh, fuck out. I don't think. Yeah, it's just hard. This is why I say for the trans shit. There's nothing. There's nothing unique about the trans stuff. You just look at a scientific way compared to any. No, you shouldn't be.

You look at the science and you just follow the research. Right now it looks like, yeah, that's it. They're using Frankenstein science. Like society as a whole thing to lose absolutely nothing from trans women breastfeeding. We have nothing to gain. Nothing to gain. hold. Sure.

I mean, that might be a thing that's too far, right? Yeah, that might be, yeah, that's fine.

But, like, to lose all of it. Too far right. Yeah, yeah. But I think it's weird like for the trans stuff.

It's like such a minority problem. But like how many percentages of American men get their dicks like, you know, cleaned up when they were fucking newborns. That's fucking weird. But that's like a totally normal thing.

And that's impacting what half of American men or whatever, or like fucking dick cut? Yeah. I'm all for circumcision. I'm not for that. You can't possibly be preserved. That's wild. because that's absolutely no medical anything.

That's just... Well, circumcindy says to... Because I'm not circumcised. And if you don't roll it back, you're going to get a bunch of dick cheese under there. So that's why they cut all the skin off so you won't have all that dick cheese. Yeah, and if I chop your fucking feet off of the ankles,

you probably want to have smelly shoes. I mean, learn to fucking clean yourself. What the fuck? You don't take a fucking shower? No, it's the... Who's talking about... I'm talking about dicks. I know, what I'm saying.

You fucking clean your dick. Yeah. If you chop anything off... the fucking body. It's not going to get dirty. How many people don't clean behind their ears? We're not lobbing people's fucking ears off so they got fucking clean hole. No, it's not. You're chopping parts of the dicks off. How are you sitting here defending dick chopping? That's wild to me. You're not chopping the dick off. They're chopping up part of the dick. Well, I just try to keep the dick cheese from growing, man. Because I'd get dick cheese if I don't

roll back. If somebody gave you a fucking hoodie with the hood fucking removed, it wouldn't be okay. Dicks come with four skins for a reason, okay? Anyway, I totally agree. Thank you. I'm glad I still got my poor skin. So you should totally get little kids chopping the dicks off, right? Only the top part. Bottom surgery for under 18 is, I don't think that happens in the U.S. And no, I don't think I'd ever be okay. That's a really, really extreme.

Yeah, I don't think bottom surgery for under 18. But I don't think anybody really supports that. That's like the most extreme people. So you're like with the dick skin, the circumcision. So you'll say, hey, hey, shut up. Hey, what, like, since we're on a transgender thing, what is a woman to you? What, fuck, that's a really complicated question. Man, come on, babe.

That's an insanely fucking complicated question. Yeah? Here's, okay, here, without diving too deep in all this dumbass shit, okay? Listen, okay? Jesus Christ, okay? Take it easy. If I, if I tell you a thing, okay? Okay, in philosophy, there's a thing called a qualia, okay?

So, like, what does it like to experience something, okay? Behind you is a red curtain. If you'd never seen the color red before, and I say, you know, there's a red curtain behind you, I can never actually express what that qualia is to. You're not going to know unless you experience it yourself, right? So there are things that we experience, and when we have two brains, okay, I can't actually ever, I can never send you an idea. I can't do it.

It's impossible because our brains are separate. So what I do is I speak a word, and when I say something, I hope that you have an experience that maps onto that. So when I say, like, oh, this blanket is really soft. You might think soft like, oh, like a dog or a kitty cat or a pillow. You've got other experiences that map onto it, right? For all of the language that we use, when we say words, there's a whole bunch of associated concepts that, like, pop up when we say those words. Now, they might not map cleanly onto some universal, you know, platonistic form of a thing.

So, for instance, when I say table, and I tell you to define a table, you can never give me a definition that encompasses all tables and excludes all things that aren't tables, right? Do they always have four legs? Is this one have four legs? Is it something you can sit on or not? Like, it's really complicated. So when you say, like, well, what is like a woman?

Well, when you say woman, depending on the context, it lights up a whole bunch of concepts. So a woman, you know, they tend to dress a certain way. They tend to have certain hair. They tend to exhibit certain, like, characteristics. They tend to have certain body parts. They tend to have certain, right? So a woman, like, it really kind of depends on the circumstance, right? Like if I'm in a, let's say that I'm in school, right?

And I'm like a grade schooler. And somebody says, oh, a woman just walked by. Well, in that case, you're probably speaking more to age than like genitals or whatever, right? Because, like, oh, a woman. Oh, shit. Like, Mrs. whoever is coming into a cousin. When a woman, when somebody says that, I think of tits and a vagina. Sure, maybe.

but like you might meet somebody. No, not maybe. A woman walks by and swimming and says, oh, she's got tits in a vagina. But not, you're associating behaviors anymore. When you see somebody in a store and you identify them as a man or a woman, you're never seeing their genitals. You have no fucking idea. You don't know if there's been a dick or a pussy.

I could totally look at you and I could tell you a guy. Yeah. I might be so. I might have the tightest binding in the fucking world on right now, hiding the 33, 32 double Ds. It's like fucking. 99. You're totally a man.

Sure. But like you're making that evaluation based on probably my voice, probably my fucking beard, but maybe shape of my body. You're not actually seeing my genitals, though. You know, or less than I can tell you are. I can tell you got a cock. Yeah.

I have to wrap it around my leg twice to get the fucking, yeah. Yeah, you can tell. Like, female and male is not complicated, but people overcomplicated to fit their narrative. You say, yeah. You see what I'm saying? I understand what you're saying, but even when you say, like, people overcomplicated,

like, gender and, like, how we express it is, like, it is a pretty complicated phenomenon, right? It's so complicated that you can't even define it. That's the problem. Well, because we don't ever, because we typically don't. We just kind of like, when we use words, we don't have, like, strict definitions of, like, what a word is. And we even playfully joke about it. It's like, is a hot dog a sandwich, right?

How crazy is it that sandwiches are things that everybody's supposed to. But you can't actually give, like, a strict definition of what a sandwiches. Or does cereal count as a soup? Well, yes or not. Or fucking, if you're in fucking Texas, just chili have beans in it, right? People fucking fight you to the death on this shit. A hot dog is not a sandwich. Okay.

Fucking hot dog. Yeah, hamburger is not a sandwich, it's a hamburger. A sandwiches is two slices of bread. A hamburger? A hamburger? Hamburger is not a sandwich? No, it's a hamburger. A sandwich, this is a sandwich.

I'm going to define it with a sandwiching. Okay. All right. Hot dog. Bun. Bun. Uh-huh. Hamburger.

Patty. Hey, Kevin. What about a chicken sandwich? Chicken sandwich? Kevin. Well, it's different. Now, a sandwich, typically when I think of a sandwich. Yeah.

But I typically think of two slices of bread and whatever meat. Ham cheese, lettuce, tomatoes. All the works. But they all fucking sandwiches come. It's bread and a meat. What about a patty melt and like sourdough toast? Is that a sandwich or is that a... Is it wrapped in the lettuce or a bun?

Hey, you see what the fuck he did? He changed the subject. I'm just saying words accommodated. People say, people say like, oh, what is a woman? And it's like, give me a different stuff. But like, what is a table? What is a chair? Like any word to define, you're...

Yeah. This is my definition of the woman. Yeah, go for it. This is my definition of one. Okay. Go for it. A human being with female reproductive parts. Okay. Yeah.

That's what a woman is. If you want to say that, that's fine. But our use case for it is we don't usually identify people that way. We usually identify people the way they dress and the way they appear outwardly. We've always identified women that way. No, no, we identify people. Based on the sex. No, no, based on how they look.

Yeah. Yeah, they're sex. But who chooses how to look that way? Men dress a certain way because that's how men tend to dress that way. Women like things that women like to do. That's why women like to wear makeup. They like to wear dresses. Men don't really like to wear that type of stuff.

I mean, but it depends. I mean, you look at like the genders choose how they want to represent themselves. They do, but we also feedback into each other. Like if you look at how you, you know, take guys out of the fucking 60s and shit that were pop stars and shit, you throw them into today. Yeah, you got some crazy shit. Or even in the 90s and 2000s, you know, rapper is wearing fucking earrings and shit. You know, in white communities, people like, my kids are going to wear a fucking earring or jewelry or whatever. Or like, metrosexual.

Like, yeah. But they still knew there was men and they still knew there as well. Yeah, Michael Jackson, if he was born a day, he'd probably be trans. Prince, he'd probably be trans. Yeah. They all, like that one group. Molly crew. All those rights bands, they were like long hair, very feminine.

Got all the bitches, though. They still knew that they were men. Yeah. I understand what you're saying. It's so complicated. Well, it's not complicated. It's intuitive. But just because something is intuitive doesn't mean.

that there's not like a really sophisticated thing happening underneath, right? Like, for instance, like you guys, oh man, I used to watch your shit so long ago. I was going to say you guys do like deadlifts. Yeah, but you don't, because you call them back snaps. You don't do days. You don't do squats or whatever? Fuck no way. Okay, none of the gay exercise.

Okay, well, fuck all that shit. Walking, okay, is an incredibly complicated action. There's a ton of different things going on. You've got inner ear keeping balance. You've got eyes that are looking to make sure you're not like veering off course. You've got like tons of muscle systems right. But like, you don't think about it. It's intuitive.

You walk and talk at the same time, even though both those things. Like, look at the Boston Dynamics robots. Like, look at how many fucking millions of man hours of programming just to get a machine to fucking walk. Right? It's complicated, but it's intuitive. You don't think much about it. I feel like the best evidence of, like, when you're thinking about, like, man and women or whatever, is it's really funny. Regardless of how you feel, you look at Ben Shapiro or if you look at Stephen Crowder,

sometimes these people will bring up trans people and because they want to call them by their, what they think they're correct, you know, pronouns is like, that's a man or whatever. When they're talking about the person, though, they accidentally keep slipping into like, oh, yeah, she, Dylan Mulvian. was that a popular trans? I don't follow his shit. Yeah. That was a trans woman or whatever, right? Yeah. Whenever they refer to Dylan, he's like, oh, yeah, she's doing this.

I mean, he. Yeah, I don't like Dylan because, you know, she said this. I mean, he said this, right? I was like, okay, well, what's happening there? Is he confusing the sexual organs of the person, or are we just, like, mapping other things onto what we generally are. Well, he's confused. And Dylan's confused.

Okay. It's just a confusing situation for everybody. They're confused, and it confused everybody else. Yeah. I'm not trying to say, by the way, also that, like, men and women don't map on to a very real different, like sexual characteristics. They clearly do, right? There are different reproductive systems,

different reproductive gametes that are almost always mapped on to male to male and female to female. Like, that's almost always true. I'm just saying that in society, in common parlance, when we talk about like a man or a woman, there's a lot of stuff with language is super complicated that we don't realize it's happening

when we say things. I just think women have tits and vaginas, dudes have nuts and balls and cocks. Yeah, and most of the time that'll be true, but... But even if I'm a... Let's say I want to be a woman. I could just like a woman. I get all sick.

I could be the baddest bitch on the block, standing on the corn, making all kinds of money. It still doesn't change the fact that I'm actually a guy. Yeah. Well, I guess the question is, so language exists because there's some utility, right? Like, the reason why we say words is because we get something out of it. I'm invoking some idea. I'm getting some kind of response from you.

Like, that's why we have words, right? So the question, I guess, is like, what does it mean to be a man or woman in, like, a given circumstance? Because that's going to determine, like, if you go to the hospital, regardless of what the fuck, how you identify or whatever, like your actual biological sex is probably going to be really important depending on what you're looking at right you're not going to go to the hospital for a pap smear if you're a guy yeah you will if you transform but if you are but that's what you're that's what I'm saying right you're gonna like the biological sex could be really important there but like if you're you're you know let's say that you're standing on the street corner okay and let's say that you know you lose all your muscle and you're the most live new bile beautiful young looking fucking woman ever sure and let's say somebody sends a drive by down the street and I want you to shoot every fucking woman you see and a guy drives by and he sees you you and your beautiful ornette flowery, you know, sundress and the guy unloads on you. And you're like, oh, no, I'm not a woman. I'm a man.

Well, in that case, it didn't really matter. He identified who as a woman. He clots you as that. Yeah, tricked him. Sure. Yeah, well, you could say. I deceived them. Maybe, yeah.

But my, my position is this, transgender LGBTQ has confused and has overwhelmed people with, with sexual identity or gender identity that nobody can give or present a honest definition of what it And because of that, now you got men going inside a female restrooms. You got men competing against females. You got men trying to breastfeed kids. If you don't have a definition for what a woman is, then the women, these transgender women will affirm their gender by minimizing women. Because the only way transgender woman can affirm and be an actual woman is to minimize another woman. Yeah, maybe, and maybe they shouldn't be competing in sports.

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