Hodgetwins Podcast - Hodgetwins & Jay Dyer Discuss "Go'd Chosen People" & What It ACTUALLY Says In The Bible...

Episode Date: November 1, 2025

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My brother, we just recently, I would say over the last month, we just started written the King James version of the Bible. And I text you something, Joe. It's a couple of images. And it's about Israel. And I always thought it was kind of, I don't know if sacrilegious is the word for it, for like a government to name an area that Israel, because that's something God named in the Bible to a family, Jacobs, I mean, descendants. Would you say that sacrilegious or am I saying this all wrong?

For a government to give a land. So like the modern nation state of Israel compared to like what's going on in the Old Testament and all that. Yeah. I think that it's like the modern nation state was set up to be essentially an atheistic, quasi-socialist, almost kind of a new world order project. It was established under the British Empire and the British Empire's mandate. But the British Empire was run by the Rothschilds more or less at that time.

So this is pretty much a Rothschild project in tandem with the rest of what's called the Atlantis' power block, which is just Western civilization basically at that time. So I think they wanted a geostrategic location to be in the Middle East, to be kind of a landing base for the West. And eventually I think what happened is that it became very much a power block of its own. You know, we obviously, we had a lot of subversion of our government through operatives. So, you know, a big part of the Epstein-Maxwell stuff was that kind of compromise. So I don't think that the modern nation state of Israel is necessarily identical to what the Old Testament theological significance of Israel is.

I think it's the same loose people group. There are still Jews. Like, there's some people that think that there's no more Jews in regard to the Old Testament Jews. I do think of the same people group. When you read the church fathers, you know, they still continue after, you know, rabbinic Judaism comes about in the fourth and fifth century. They still speak of Jews as Jews. But the idea that the secular atheist nation state is the fulfillment of some promise is an evangelical mistake. So I'm sorry, that was a long-ass answer to say.

That's a dumb evangelical mistake. No offense to evangelicals. But this comes out of dispensationalism and like the Schofield study Bible. which was funded by Oxford and promoted in America to get people on board with, I believe, the new nation state of Israel. Oh, okay. Exactly. So go ahead and bring that up. So I was reading this in the King James Version, and it said, well, I don't want to read all of that. It's towards the bottom of that

that's highlighted. It said, you know, that was fine, Joe. Keep it right there. The land which the Lord your God giveth thee, then ye shall return unto the land of your possession and enjoy it, which Moses the Lord's servant gave you on this side of Jordan toward the sun rising. That's like given a location of Israel. Yeah. The land, right? So bring up the little map I think you go.

So the sun comes up in the east, right? So based on that, there's Jordan. There's Jordan. Now, Israel's in the west. So I would think if what was mentioned in the King James Version of the Bible, the area that God promised his chosen people, looked like it would probably be in Iraq or Saudi Arabia, or am I reading this and seeing this wrong? Well, by the time of when David takes Zion, right, eventually when you get to the books of the kings, you'll notice that David eventually takes Israel or excuse me, takes Jerusalem, right?

So Jerusalem, and this is something you might have not noticed. When you're reading Genesis, it mentions the story of Malkisadec, right? Malkisadec was a Gentile priest in the land of Salem, right? Okay. This is way back in Abraham's Day, right? So this is before they try to conquer the land. And if you fast forward to the time when David's beginning to conquer the city, the main city of Jerusalem, right, to take it back, people think that this is some sort of like

land theft, but it was originally a Gentile, righteous people group that worship the true God that the Canaanites and the Amalekites and these other nations came in and took. So God is telling David and Josh from these people to take that land back, right? But was originally a righteous Gentile nation because Mokizade was a Gentile. Paul will describe this in Hebrew 7. So, I mean, that might sound like I'm getting off topic. but when you get to later on, no, I think that the cities in where we think of Israel today, they are the same locations, right?

Like Jerusalem is Jerusalem. And that's the land that by the time of King David, he takes. It makes it the city of David. But in his Psalms, he refers to the city of Zion as identical to Salem. I think it's Psalm 76. Identical to Salem where Malkisadegh was a priest back in the days of Abraham. The only reason I say all that is that Paul makes an argument out of this to show that in Hebrew 7, he says that the priesthood that Mokizadegh had is superior to the Mosaic, erroneous, Levitical priesthood. So anything that's mosaic law is inferior to this higher priesthood, which Hebrew 7 says was about Jesus.

So Jesus is the priesthood of Malkisadegh. We are an order of priest according to the order of Malkisadeghis. Psalm 110. That's about the Messiah. And when the Messiah comes, he's after the order of Malkisodic. So it's a superior and a fulfillment of both the Mekazidician priesthood and the Levitical priesthood. Does that make sense? Yeah, somewhat. A little bit. Well, I'm just trying to give you the history to show that like it is the city of Jerusalem and it is that area that eventually they take. And you'll notice too, if you're reading Joshua, there's a text in Joshua, I forget which chapter it is, but it specifically says that they

eventually have taken the land. So because modern day people in the Lakud or Nathu's party, they'll try to say that there's still Amalekites around. So they spiritualize and say that anyone that disagrees with Israel is Amalek. But the Amalekites are gone. Like there's no Amalekites today. See what I'm saying? So they use that to say, we're still fighting this battle.

Yeah, exactly. But there's no Amalekites. Amalekites are gone. They're just using these texts to say. that we're still fighting the same battle from you know Joshua's time so naming it at Israel that's all a ruse do you think yes and no so on one level there are Jewish people that I think are genuinely Jewish people but the religion is kind of mixed in with rabbinic philosophy Kabulism it's kind of all over the place and I would say ultimately

at the end of the day many Jews just kind of do whatever the rabbi says and So it's kind of amorphous and subjective because they don't believe in like going to another rabbi to get a higher opinion. It's just sort of like if this rabbi right here that I have tells me to do this, then that's what I do. Even if he's wrong, you just do it. I'm serious. They have a position that you don't go to check it and like find out. It's relativized. Oh, really?

It is. Yeah. So I would say that's kind of a disqualifier that it's like identical. to the Old Testament Hebrew religion. We believe as Orthodox Christians that the authentic Hebrew religion is Orthodox Christianity. They worship the Trinity in the Old Testament.

They're looking forward to the Messiah even in the Old Testament. Jesus says, to read John 5 to 9, when he's debating with the Pharisees who are the proto-Romenical rabbinic philosophers, right? The proto-Talmudic philosophers.

Jesus says, Abraham believed in me. Abraham rejoiced to see my day. So Abraham had faith in Jesus, the Messiah. That's his argument, right? And they're saying, how are you, you're not even 50 years old? How are you around when Abraham was alive? That was thousands of years ago.

And Jesus is saying that, no, I am God. I'm the one that created Abraham. I'm the one that gave Israel this name, right? So Israel is also personified in the person of Christ. There's a prophecy at the beginning of Luke. It says, out of Israel, I called my son, right? In Isaiah 53, 54, those famous suffering servant chapters predicting Jesus, he's called Israel

the suffering servant. So Israel, yes, it's the name of, right, it's after Jacob wrestles with the angel. But when he says, I've called you Israel when he's wrestling with him, Jesus and John 1 at the end of John 1 says that he was the one wrestling with Jacob. So he's the latter of God.

So he's the one that named Jacob, Israel. So Jacob becomes a symbol for the whole nation state. But if you fast forward to now, after the coming of the Messiah, Israel isn't a nation state because in Matthew 21, Jesus gives a parable where he says they were divorced as a collective nation state.

So what we have today does involve Jewish people, but it's a nation state created for a socialist geopolitical ideology that was formulated by people like Moses Hess, have you heard of him? No. So he was a forefather of socialism and Marxism.

He's right. He's right around the time of Marx. Okay. And he wrote a book about the, in the 1860s. And he said that we've got Rothschilds on our side. Mm-hmm. And we're going to create this nation state in Palestine. We're going to call it Israel, right?

So Palestine did exist. It did exist, yeah. So why republics don't believe it? I mean, and prior to that, if you go back to the Middle Ages, it was a Byzantine Christian place. So it was actually a Christian place. to this day, the Orthodox Church is the third largest landowner in that nation state of Israel. So you have even Orthodox some of the rabbinic Jews today who take their text seriously.

They think Zionism is wrong, and that they're not supposed to be in the land until their Messiah comes. So even the Jews don't have really a consistent position on this. Does that make sense? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, so that whole mutual thing, they have a hidden agenda, ulterior motives. A lot of people think it's true. When they named it, Israel. Yeah. A lot of people think it's pro-religious, really, but it's not.

It was a secular, atheistic. I mean, some of the early people involved in Zionism had some belief in God, but not anything to do with the way that the Old Testament describes Hebrew religion. And when you get to the third, fourth, fifth centuries of the history of the church, that's when you really get this split between Judaism at that time, second. temple Judaism from the days of Christ up into the second third century and the formulation of what's called rabbinic or talmudic Judaism. So that's when it really crystallizes. They collate in the fourth and fifth century the rabbinic traditions and they say this is now what Judaism is

because they have to figure out a way to have their religion without the temple because the temple's destroyed in 70 AD. I believe Jesus is predicting that in Luke 21 and Matthew 24. So the temple's gone. Jews are in the diaspora again. And so they come up with a philosophy and ideology that allows them to kind of make up for not having the temple. So, well, you go to your synagogue, right? How do you do good works and sacrifice? Well, you give money, right? So it's like you make up for not having a temple and all that with this new rabbinic Judaism. And that's where we are today. That rabbinic Judaism is not identical to Old Testament Judaism, even in the days of Jeremiah. If you read the prophet Jeremiah, you're going to notice that he talks about the lying pen

of the scribe and Jesus mirrors that when he preaches against the Pharisees in Matthew 22, 23, 24. And he talks about the scribes and the Pharisees sit in the seat of Moses, they're hypocrites, all of the, you know, prophecies of the prophets will come upon this generation in vengeance. This is the vengeance of the prophets is coming upon this generation because they crucified Messiah. So you get the divorce of Israel as a nation state in Matthew 21, I think 43. So we're living in the Christian era, but they don't accept that. So they had to kind of come up with a rabbinic means of having the religion without the temple in the land. Now, a lot of people labeled Israel, I don't, you know, people blame me as anti-Semitic.

I was like, man, I love Jews. I love everybody. But a lot of people label the current state of Israel as the synagogue of Satan. Is that any truth of that? I think in the New Testament when Paul is talking about, because I mean, Jesus says that in early on Revelation, right? It's Revelation 2 and 3 where Jesus is rebuking the churches. And he says, I will make those who claim to be Jews that are not Jews. Bow down before you tell me in the resurrection.

And then Paul says in Thessalonians that the Jews are contrary to all people because they rejected the Messiah. So I believe that rabbinic Judaism is against Christianity. Yes. And it's, it is a synagogue of Satan in that its philosophy and its theology are essentially collated against Jesus being the Messiah. It's not a genetic thing, right? So sin isn't genetic. Sin is a choice that we make in everybody's sins. Right. Yeah. I'm like, is it anywhere in the Bible where God's chosen people, a family of visual? Do they got immunity from the Ten Commandants? no of course that's why rabbinic philosophy comes about is to come up with excuses

and kazoo street i mean you've probably seen like the way that hasitic communities come up with creative shall we say ways to get around the sabbath you know what i'm talking about go into it okay so like if you can look it up it's not me making it up there's a couple examples is like because you can't do any work on the sabbath right right so you can't work you'll be stoned to death i just read that yeah yeah so the way that they get around that is you can't flip a light switch, right? Right. So you move a switch that doesn't cause the electrical current to actually be cut off. You just remove a switch and then randomly you let the current be turned off and so you're not working. Okay, another example is you can't

that's crazy. You can't walk outside on the Sabbath, okay, in rabbinic Judaism, in strict Hasidic rabbinic Judaism. Well, what if we took a string and we looped it all around this parking lot to make it an enclosure? And then we're not outside anymore because it's enclosed. I'm serious. It sounds like the COVID thing. You put up the tent to go outside. It's COVID mentality. So that's what Jesus was rebuking. And that's what the religion became a means of getting around the actual spirit of the laws versus the letter of the law. And that's what Paul will talk about. When you get to Galatians, particularly Galatians 3 and 4, Paul will make the very point you just made. I kind of want to go back to Palestine. So before Israel was founded, established, Palestine was there,

and who lived there? It was everyone, everybody, Christians, Muslims, Jews, right. Muslims? Yeah, yeah. They were all there in Palestine together. Yes. In fact, I just recently read a book by a bunch of, it's a French historian and intelligence analyst doing a retro analysis of all the British spies that the British Empire sent out to spy out and to do reconnaissance on all the Middle East. Because at the time of the British Empire, like late 1900, 1890s, 1910, a lot of the Middle East hadn't been charted yet. right so they sent out very famous spies even some of them were even women which is weird like gertrude bell um t-e lawrence uh st john philby they sent them out to spy because oil had just been discovered British Empire wanted oil and so they're called black gold spies um and so they went and basically just charter the whole land all of it got an assessment of things that people didn't even have existed like there were churches old remnants of churches in jordan that had been destroyed because it became Muslim but they were just got the old

cathedrals that people didn't even know existed. So there's even evidence of communities of Christians in Jordan that people didn't know about until these spies got there as what I'm trying to get at. So it's a very complicated, nuanced history of the Middle East. I'm not a Middle East historian, but I read a lot on it. So I would say, yes, you have a lot of people living there. You have a government that's very amenable to all the people groups prior to the founding of the nation of Israel, because what happens is the British Empire decides that in order to I believe create a powder keg. I think they wanted this dialectical tension powder keg set up there for a purpose for reason.

Originally to find oil, but there wasn't really oil in Israel, but there's oil around. So they had this nation state established Balfour Declaration that was all bragged about by the Rothschildza. They got that through. It was all partly their work. Moses Hess book confirms that as well from decades earlier. So then it became more and more, I would argue, anti-Christian. and anti-Muslim, because I think they want, I mean, there's, what, some people say 30% of people in Israel now want the temple rebuilt. It's called the Temple Institute.

Yeah, yeah. So you've got a sizable portion, a lot of the reliquid party, a lot of the sort of the far right of what Israel calls far right. They want to rebuild the temple. That means they're going to have to get rid of the mosque. They're going to have to do a lot of. And they got bringing two red heifers perfect, right? All of that would be involved in the new temple, exactly. So there's a sizable portion that wants to do that.

And then, you know, in America, you've got people like John Hage. John Hagee in the blood moons of Israel. You know who John Hagee is? Yeah, like the biggest dispensationalist, right? Like Cofi, right? He's part of this group called Cofi, which tries to collect money from millions of dollars from Americans, like the Adelson's and all these people. And then they send it to try to rebuild the temple to the Temple Institute. So you've got a sizable portion of dispensationalists and American evangelicals.

who support this idea. And I think to your point, yes, it probably was a lot safer and more amenable to pilgrims and Christians, right? Before the British Empire put actual Jewish terrorists there. So the Irgon, the Stern Gang, this is where the modern nation state of Israel's actual military militia comes from these organized crime gangs that are the, they bombed the King David Hotel to try to get rid of the British. colonial oversight.

Does that make sense? Yeah. Did you all heard that? A little bit. Okay. Yeah, yeah. I came across on a YouTube where it was, supposedly they found that Messiah.

They need two red heifers and they got a like bomb that, that, that moss there and remove it. I didn't know how I was like, it sounds crazy to me. I mean, I think that. They're going to clone the two red efforts or something. There's always been this push. I mean, even, I started reading the Bible in the 90s when I was, like a young evangelical guy and I've been hearing since the 90s like they're going to sacrifice the heifers

and they're just going to be i'm not saying i'm not saying that there's not people that want to do it i'm just saying i've been hearing it since i was a kid right and um i don't know how legit those articles were back then but i mean they want that yeah yeah like there's a sizable group that wants that but to you know if you're a historic christian like there's no zionism in the history of christianity right it's a modern atheist political movement There's nothing really to do with what's in the Bible, but to your point, they use the terms of the Bible to kind of make it seem like to dupe people. To dupe American evangelicals. And that's John Hagee's job is to get people on board with it.

I think Fox News is complicit. Well, I mean, I just don't understand. I brought Victor Ostrowski's book with me, which I've been reading. Have you heard of him? He's like the famous Mossad guy that first came out. with a book talking about what they're up to came out in 80s, like the early 80s, mid to early 85 or so.

And they interviewed him on C-SPAN, I think, around the time, like around 1990, because you put out a second book called strategy by deception. And he says in the clip, like, we just use it as a trick and everyone knows it to call people anti-Semites. He says, anytime somebody starts telling the truth, he says this.

He's a problem. you like he says we just use the label to discredit them right so it's a known trick i mean yeah like yeah he he wrote by way of deception which talks about a lot of this stuff and he was with massad former massad who quit because he said he just couldn't go along with anymore it's hard of it and uh well uh warfare by deception right but he wrote this in 1990 i should say And then in his second book, he admits that Israel, for strategic purposes, helped fund, arm, and create Hamas. Yeah. Yeah.

Multiple times. And so I was supposed to debate a guy on this, and he backed out of it. But, like, I mean, it's like. Yeah, it's on record, right? Would you have a debate, Ben Shapiro? Yeah, I asked him to debate multiple times. I think he just wants to talk fast and go on to debate. Facts and logic.

Babylon in town, I'm out to packson and lodger. I mean, that's how it would go down, right? Wait a minute. And he would just like, it's like the same as that chick I was debating on whatever, like, two nights ago. He's a very intelligent man. He knows all these things. He is intelligent, yeah. He knows all his things.

Yeah. I don't think he would do it, though. I mean, he tried to debate or Candace tried to debate him. Yeah. He backed out of that. Yeah. If he's not going to debate a black woman, he definitely debating a white man. What if I identify as a black man?

now it's blown up enough now in his second book Ostrowski's second book he says that the reason they did that was because a strategy of destabilization through an Islamic radical group was more effective than Arafat and the PLO

because that was a stabilizing force and they'd rather have something not stable than something stable in terms of their enemies right right I've heard stories that Netanyahu and Israel is behind 9-11 to create the animosity between

evangelicals here in America and Muslims. There's definitely a key role, I think that that far, what's called far-right party played, I guess the Lakoud and those people, because most of the people that wrote the PNAC document that talks about America needing a Pearl Harbor style event

prior to the 9-11 event happening. Okay. Many of them were neocons, many of them were like big Israeli operative type people. So there's definitely an Israeli role. I don't know if Israel did it. Like it's not like one nation state did it. I think you had to have high level cooperation between moles and people within the agencies to get that done.

But I do think that it definitely played a very advantageous role to Israel. But I also think that British intelligence benefited. I think the CIA benefited. And I think Western intelligence in general will co-operate on these types of things. Like a... Convierter your passion in a business with Shopify

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