Hodgetwins Podcast - Hodgetwins & Nick Fuentes Think The MAGA Movement Is NOT The Same...

Episode Date: September 25, 2025

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And I understand why you didn't vote because we're doing a lot of evil thing across the world in the name of our biggest ally, Israel. Yeah. Well, and it's going to backfire because Trump ran the first time on America first, which is we're going to get out of the Middle East. And it's very obvious that after October 7th, they supported Trump because they knew he would support them in the Middle East. That's why I said I'm out. You know, he's going to – because after October 7th, they said even a lot of the liberal Jews said we got to support them. Republicans because Biden was trying to stop Israel from doing what they're doing in Gaza. It wasn't successful, but they knew a Republican Congress, a Republican president. Trump already gave him

$12 billion. He's been in office three months, gave him $12 billion. They're going to sign another memorandum of understanding that'll give them four and eight every year for 25 years. Previous one was 10 years. This one's going to be 25 years. They'd give him more money every year. So they knew that electing him, he's going to be the more pro-Israel, the two. That's why they put him in. So I said, I'm just not going to vote for that. These are two bad options. It's going to backfire on America first. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, when I see, you know, every time I try to say his name, Kanye pops in my mind with that damn net. I see him, Net and Yahoo sits in his chair and he tucks him in. I was like, what the hell was that?

I've never seen Trump tuck somebody in and like, sure. A male. He did it a few times. He did it with Modi with the Indian president. Oh, did he? I'll be objective with that. He did it. He did it with Modi, the Indian president?

Okay, no, I don't feel so bad. Well, he caught my eye when he did it with Net and Yavi. Yeah, it's just gross when he does a Riyahou. Yeah. Yeah, hopefully, I don't know how this ends, but man. What do you think that? How does this all go to end? Israel is going to nuke everybody.

Well, I mean, not far off. I think so. That's how it ends. Because they've got nuclear weapons, right? That's right. Well, and, you know, right now the big question is Iran. What are we going to do with them? Because basically from October 7th, this has been the master plan, is to bring the United States into,

a war with Iran. It's what they've wanted to do for 20 years. And, you know, for reasons we could get into Iran is the only challenger to Israel to be a regional power. It's Israel versus Iran, and that's it. And the reason being is because Iran has proxies in basically every country. The leader of Iran, the Ayatollah, is not just a political leader. He's a religious leader. Iran is a center of Shiite Islam, which is the second biggest sect of Islam. The king of Saudi Arabia, He's the custodian of the two mosques. He's the head of Sunni Islam. The Ayatollah in Iran is ahead of Shiite Islam.

And the clerics that were on the country are the head of that branch. So they influence all the Shiite Muslims in the whole region. There are Shiite Muslims in Iraq, alloys in Syria, in Bahrain, in Saudi Arabia. They're everywhere. So Iran influences all these Muslims in every other country religiously. And since the 80s, Iran's Revolutionary Guard has been training up. all of these militias in the Shiite parts of the Middle East. So they raised up Hezbollah in Lebanon,

the Houthis in Yemen, these militias in Iraq, they infiltrated Syria. And so Israel has the United States. We pay off Egypt, Jordan, we have bases in Saudi Arabia, Qatar. We pay off the Emirates, Kuwait. We have half the region because of we and Israel has half the region because of our money, because of our military. Iran, they're the only other regional power because they influence these populations in all the other countries. They have this religious influence, military influence, and they are one of the more powerful countries just because of their characteristics. 90 million people, big middle class, diversified economy, they're educated. They have nuclear program, missile program, drone program. They have a Navy.

So Israel and Iran, these are the last players. standing. Forty years ago, you had Libya, you had Iraq, you had Egypt, you had Syria. These are all powerful countries. You had Sudan, one by one. They've all been destroyed. Iraq was destroyed by the United States. Syria destroyed by the United States. Sudan, civil war, backed by Israel in the United States. Somalia is falling apart at the seams right now. Libya, overthrown by the United States. Iran and Israel, these are the last one standing. After October 7th, Israel said, we're going to by peace, dismantle Iran's empire, starting with Hamas, then Hezbollah, then the Houthis, and then we take out all of them, we're going to deliver the killing blow against Iran. Problem is they can't

take out Iran on their own, because if Israel attacks Iran, Iran's going to get a nuclear bomb. Iran has a capability to make one, but they haven't determined to make one yet, because they know if they do that, it will invite an attack from Israel and the United States. So they're They're on the fence. If they don't have any nuclear program, they're vulnerable. But if they get a bomb, they'll get attacked. Israel cannot attack Iran. They're not powerful enough.

They need us to do it. But we, for obvious reasons, don't want to do it. We've spent 20 years in Iraq and Afghanistan. We don't want to fight Iran. We have no beef with them. So Israel's trying to create a – they're trying to manufacture a situation where we're both forced to fight each other. So last year in April, Israel bombed Iran's embassy. in Syria, which is like totally against international law.

Embassies are off limits. You just can't do that. It's like the foundation of all international law. Iran had to respond. If they don't, they look weak. This was their first provocation. Israel bombed their embassy to force Iran to attack Israel because they knew that if Iran counterattacked,

the United States would be forced to intervene to defend Israel. So there was this intense diplomacy where the United States, we put aircraft carriers, there. We put all these assets there to send a message to Iran. If you attack Israel, we will destroy you. So Iran, they launched like, I don't know, 50 missiles at Israel, didn't hit anything. They had to do something, but they couldn't do anything meaningful. If they did nothing, they would look like a bitch. But if they hit them too hard, the United States would retaliate. So Iran averted the confrontation. Then again in July, end of July, Israel assassinated the leader of

Hamas inside Iran on their inauguration day. Iran was inaugurating a new president and the Palestinian leader was visiting the capital. Israel blew him up. Mossad exploded his hotel where he was staying and killed them. Once again, another major provocation. Could you imagine if a foreign head of state was killed in D.C.? When Trump was being inaugurated, we would nuke them. We would blow them to pieces. Once again, Iran had to attack Israel. The United States pulled up again with two aircraft carriers said, not so fast. If you intervene, we're going to hit you back. Iran waited two months.

They did a much bigger attack on Israel. This time some of the missiles hit. It was a little bit more severe. But again, the United States and Israel did not respond. Now that Trump is in office, Israel recognizes this is a perfect opportunity because Trump is a Zionist. Trump got $100 million from Miriam Adelson. He got money from the Israel lobby to become president. He appointed neocons.

Mike Walts, his national security advisor, wants war with Iran. Rubio, Secretary of State wants war with Iran. They set this situation up. Lindsey Graham, who's a big, he's a neocon, big ally of Trump. They set it up where now they're going to restart the war in Gaza. They've restarted the war with the Houthis in Yemen. That's the on-ramp to get the United States to bomb Iran. So this weekend, this is very topical, the Trump administration had a meeting with Iran.

They sent Steve Whitkoff. He met with the foreign minister of Iran. Trump said, you have 60 days to make a nuclear deal or else we're going to war. And everyone, including myself, said, this is impossible. There's never going to be a nuclear deal. For complex reasons, it's just not going to happen. And if it happens, it's not going to happen in 60 days. So it's a guaranteed war. But it looks like things that's looking up, like the meetings went well.

Both sides said it was positive, said it was constructive. But if diplomacy becomes viable, if we get close to a deal, Israel's going to come back in and sabotage it. Israel's going to come in. They're going to do some provocation. Like, let's say, for example, what if, God forbid, some American base is attacked and it's blamed on Iran? There goes your deal. What happens if Israel attacks Iran? There goes your deal.

Iran can't make a deal. with the United States, if they're going to attack by Israel. So if we get too close to a deal, they're going to sabotage it, and they're going to put us on a path to war. And so I think it's basically unavoidable at this point that we're going to war with Iran. And then when Iran is destroyed, then Israel gets to do whatever they want. There'll be nobody left to oppose them. Whole Middle East will be under their influence. And they're in the center. Think about where Israel's located. They're in the middle of Asia, Europe, and Africa. They're in the center of all global trade. The

Belt and Road that China's building, the rail, the shipping routes, all of it goes through the Middle East. And so when you control the Middle East, it's not like controlling, you know, like Mexico or whatever. You control the Middle East. It's like the most important region in the world. It's all the oil. It's all these other energy resources. It's all the supply chains, all the shipping routes.

Is that why Trump won't Greenman? That's part of it, yeah. Because of, you know, The Arctic is melting, and so that's going to be viable for shipping. It wasn't viable before because it was all ice, but now that it's melting, now there's going to be a lot of trade. It's also important for missile defense. You know, if a missile comes from China, it's going to come over the Arctic. So we want to deploy radar so we could see that.

So it's really for power projection. But, yeah, I mean, you start to understand it all comes down to strategy, all comes down to military strategy. and Israel wants, if they take out Iran, they control everything, and it's a very important region to control. People don't even realize they're going to become a global power. People think of Israel as like our satellite. They're like our puppet or like a junior partner. At 50 years, Israel's going to be a big player. They're going to be a great power.

Like the UK was, like France, they're going to be a serious player. So people have no idea. And then they won't need us. Right. You know, then they'll be on their own. So that's a very scary situation where the United States doesn't have power over them or leverage. Right, right. Fuck.

What about Putin and president of China? How do you feel about, you think, about Israel? Well, Putin is close with Israel. People don't realize this. Yeah. But that's because Russia has a huge Jewish population, always has. And so Putin has a rabbi, and he has good relations with Israel. And so does China, for that matter.

But insofar as Israel and the United States are joined at the hip, China and Russia are less pro-Israel than the United States. But they're never against Israel. You know, Israel's part of the Belt and Road, which is China's infrastructure project. And Israel's allied with Russia. So, you know, a lot of people think like, oh, Russia's fighting against this. They have their hands in everything, unfortunately. The only countries that are against Israel, it's Iran. that's about it.

And that's whoever wants to destroy. Wow. That's crazy. Makes sense why Fox News and everybody's all, the Muslims are a bunch of terrorists. They want to make like, we're just going there clean the house because these people are evil

and they hate Christians. Right. Well, yeah, because if they're terrorists, they got to go. So they just say, anybody that sympathizes you're supporting terrorism. It's like the oldest trick in the book.

Yeah. How do you feel about all your your talking points becoming mainstream news now. All your talking points you've been talking about for years. Now it's like it's more prevalent in like on Instagram, like everybody's sharing your same views. Podcasts. Implemenial people saying the exact same things you've been saying.

Yeah. It's shocking. I never thought it would happen this fast or that it would happen at all. Because years ago, I was radioactive, you know, in 2017, when I was saying the stuff back then, nobody would touch me with a 10-foot pole for saying this. and you would get banned and now as part of it. So it's kind of unbelievable, and I'm actually a little bit skeptical of it to tell you the truth,

because I think that what you tend to find is that the system is very good at controlling the opposition. You know, controlled opposition is always, in my opinion, the biggest threat, which is to say that if you are running the country and you have like, you know, just because of human nature, not everybody's going to agree with what you're doing. And he might be unpopular at times. So people are going to protest, rebel, resist, vote for the opposite party. So the most resilient way to run a country is to not only control your own side, but to also control the opposition. And this is how a lot of people look at the country, that the right and the left are really two sides of the same coin.

You know, when people get tired of the left, they give you the right. People get tired of the right, they give you the left. But really, they're giving you a lot of the same stuff. And you get this illusion of change. oh, well, you know, we got Trump in. Now things are going to improve. Oh, we got the left and now things are going to get better. And you kind of play both sides off of each other. And I think that in some ways, whereas I represent an organic opponent of the system, I'm someone that's actually criticizing some of the most important issues. They recognize it's becoming popular. They recognize people are resonating with that message. But they don't want someone that's independent to be saying it because they don't control They don't pay me. I kind of hate them because they ruined my life. So I'm, you know, if I ever had power, I would wield it against them.

So they say, well, why don't we get someone that sounds like him, but they're really with us? And that person will be promoted. That person won't have barriers or obstacles. That person will become more popular. And that person, you know, they sound close enough, but they're not quite saying the same thing. And they can sound very close, but they'll. that person is never independent. That person will always be dependent on the system.

And I think that's a huge. It's called infiltration, skin-suting. Like perfect example has happened with the Tea Party. Tea Party was organic. People said, all right, we've had enough of big government and taxes and the bailouts. We want to have another Tea Party. And Republicans figured it out. And Republicans just learned how to sound like tea partiers.

And they infiltrated. People like Mark Rubio, he was one of the first. Pretended to be a tea partier. He was one of the big, he beat Charlie Christian the primary in 2012 to win the nomination for the Senate seat in Florida. Then he gets in and betrays the Tea Party, joins a gang of aid on immigration, betrays all the fiscal conservatives. This is what they're very good at doing. And it's happened for many generations. It's like there's a rebellion on the conservative side.

The base of the GOP says the GOP isn't good. They're not conservative enough. We need to throw the bastards out and get good people. And there's a lot of energy behind it. But then the GOP, they just pick it up. They learn how to talk to talk. They learn how to make themselves seem like they're part of that, that rebellious part of the movement.

That happened with the Buchananites, with the paleocons. It happened with the America Firsters, anti-communists, and it happened with the Tea Partiers, and now it's happening with the Trumpists. I think J.D. Vance is your, that's a perfect example. J.D. Vance in 16 was saying Trump is Hitler. he's a rapist. Everything that the liberals were saying. People said he had an epiphany.

No, he decided to run for Senate. And he knew he could only win if he had Trump's endorsement. So he's bitching about Trump for all these years. I, Trump's a Nazi. He's an idiot. He's a racist. I love Obama. Then Trump wins.

And he goes, oh, shit. I got to run for Senate. And I'm against a sitting president. So Peter Thiel, J.D. Vance's mentor and a major donor to Trump sets up a meeting. And Vance and Teal and Trump sit down at Mar-a-Lago and they broker a truce. J.D. Vance becomes Maga. Oh, now he's a big Trump supporter. That's your epiphany.

And Trump endorses him. And then he becomes a senator. And it's like, and now people think he's the greatest thing since sliced bread. But that's just textbook infiltration. So I'm very skeptical of anybody that sounds like me, you know. Say it when it was difficult. Now it's easy to say it. And now you got people saying it to make money.

Now I got people saying it because they just if they learn the truth. Some people are saying it because they're trying to steal the credibility that people like me have earned for telling the truth when it was difficult. And they're redirecting it back into the same politics. It's crazy. Just when you think you know something. You invite Nick Fuentes on your show. Makes you feel like a dumb fuck. Hey, man.

So that's why people don't want to interview you. Yeah. Yeah, because, I mean, what do people have to gain from interviewing me? I mean, you get canceled. I'm about ready to just give up now. Yeah. Why don't we try to solve making sense now? You know, it's fucking.

Yeah. It's crazy. Yeah. How corrupt our government is. Mm-hmm. Yeah. We actually are the United States of Israel. We funded everything for them.

They fund everything. But Hillary was right. There you go. It's demoralizing. But the good news is people are, this is not the scenario they prefer. People are waking up. And it is a big threat to them. And they're always going to have a counter.

You know, we were telling the truth. They were censoring us. We prevailed. The censorship stopped. People are being persuaded. Now they have to deploy a countermeasure. The countermeasure is to muddy the waters, you know, infiltrate. Have you seen people, they're actually calling you a Fed now?

Yeah, that's the new thing. Yeah. Didn't take law. I was a Nazi for four years, and now I'm a fat. Can't win. Well, that's an approved, right? Yeah, I don't know. Is it?

Yeah, right. At least the Nazi thing was closer to being true, you know? Yeah. The left Harris-Botton, are they, are they supportive of Israel? Yeah, they are. Yeah, they all are. But, I mean, Biden was Apex man, you know?

Biden was the Israel lobby's man. He was the number one recipient of Israel money in the Senate for decades. But there's factionalism even among the Jewish people. You know, Biden had allies in Israel's government that are against Netanyahu. And so they just have a different, you know, there's factionalism among the Jews, among Israelis. So it's not as people like to just, oh, it's just, it's the Jews. It is a little more nuanced than that.

But at the end of the day, they're all on the same side. Same side. You know, the ADL and Ben Shapiro were on the same side on October 7th. That's all you need to know. You know, they pretend like they're not, but they are. Hey, Tim Poole, I think he just, he met it with NetN Yahoo, didn't he? Yeah. It's kind of weird, right?

Dave Rooping, too. Yeah. Yeah. You know what else is weird? They both got money from Russia. Remember that? Right, yeah, yeah. Dave Rubin and Tim Poole, they were both Tenet guys.

Tenet was that media company with Lauren Chen. They got busted because they got all this money from Russia. It was funded by Russia, undisclosed. Yeah. And then they're the ones at the Netanyahu meeting. So it's like, hmm. Was it Russia money? Yeah, well, yeah, right?

It's interesting, isn't it? Yeah. But there's a huge, that's a huge nexus. Russia and Israel. But it just goes to show, it's like, is there anybody in the conservative media landscape that isn't taking foreign money? Yeah. I mean, because Tim Poole is a pretty popular guy.

Yeah. He's left on YouTube. And you wonder, how does a radical pro-Trump guy like that? How does he stay on YouTube? Well, I think he just found your answer. I mean, with Netanyahu and Russia. Yeah. They're getting foreign money.

So, and he calls me a Fed. It's like, I'm not meeting with BB Netanyahu. So I think I'm good, actually. you know, I didn't get money from Russia. Right. But the point is, like, things are way more complicated than they seem. People think, at the end of the day, that's what Red Pill means. Red Pill, people think Red Pill means being, like, conservative.

It doesn't mean being conservative. In the movie, The Matrix, where it comes from, they realized they were living in a simulation. It was a created world. Everything they saw was manufactured. It was generated. It was all alive. And the red pill was to realize this world is not what it seems. It's an illusion.

Right. And the blue pill is to say, I don't care. I'm going to live in the illusion. The illusion's more comfortable than the reality. I prefer, you know, there's a famous line. The guy that takes a blue pill says, well, steak still tastes like steak. Even though it's not real, still feels good. And so what the red pill means in politics is to put a very, at the most fundamental level,

If you take the idea in its simplest form, it means things are not as they seem. The world is not what it seems to be. What it seems to be is, oh, Tim Poole, oh, I like that guy. I like what he says. You know, people watch the show, oh, I agree with that guy. That guy's making a lot of sense, you know? Because you got some boomer out there, Gen Xer, and they watch that guy, and they're like, that guy's, there's like this implicit identity where they say, that guy's like me.

And who am I? I'm some guy who works some job. I'm out there in the world. I have my opinions. Tim Poole's like me. He's some guy in the world with opinions. He's on YouTube. He's saying him.

We think a lot alike. That's not really what's going on. Because you aren't meeting with Beavin'Nanyahu and getting money from Russia. He is. Right. It's sort of like watching a football game and saying, I like watching football. You know, I like going to the games and eating pop. I like watching it on TV and wearing the jersey.

The people that play the game are like me. It's like, no, they're not. They're playing the game. They're playing the game. And similarly, Tim Poole and Shapiro, they're playing the game. You're watching the game. It's different dynamic. But that's part of that it's built on that fundamental deception, which is, you know,

these people that are in conservative media, they're just guys with opinions just like us, but they're not. You know, they're in this political world. They have to get paid. How are they getting paid? They're getting, in many cases, by foreign governments. How are they staying on YouTube? How are they running in these circles?

Tradeoffs, deals being made behind the scenes. That's all of them, you know? And I know enough of them to know that. Covert influence. So that's the dirty secret. And when the red pill starts to come through, it's sort of like the simulation starts to crumble. It's like the Truman Show boat hits the painting.

Right. That's a yay set. It's like my favorite expression. He says, My Truman Show boat hit the painting. It's like, wait, Tim Poole was meeting with Netanyahu. He got money from Russia.

Maybe we can't leave this town, you know? I heard of Daily Watt just struggling. Yeah. Is that true? It is. Yeah. That's what they say. And it's because, you know,

no one's buying in anymore, you know? People were buying in when they were the only game in town. But now that censorship is going away and you have Andrew Tate, he got Canna Sowns, you got Elijah Schaefer, you got Myron, you guys, now that censorship is going away and people are getting the truth, they're like, why do I need this propaganda? You don't need to listen to Shapiro say, here's my Israel's right. He's just lying. Everyone knows that. People don't, that was, that was a competitive, viable option when anyone that disagreed was banned on the internet. You know, people, people love Shapiro when, if you were to the right,

to Shapiro, you weren't able to have a YouTube channel. But now that you can, people are like, I want to hear about conspiracy theories. I want to hear the whole truth. So I think that's a huge reason why they're going out of business. They still have Matt Walsh and Michael Knowles. Do you think it's going to dissolve? I don't know. I don't know enough about the dynamics there. I hope Matt Walsh quits. He's a Catholic. Right. Yeah. You know, you think that he would have some. Makes sense for him to quit. Yeah. I mean, I what's keeping them there? I guess the money. Well, Brett Cooper, She left. They kept the channel. He would start all over again.

You have to start all over again. Right. Yeah. I mean, it wouldn't be hard for him to do that. But all those years, all those videos, all that work went into it, and they can just keep it and say, you're gone. It's like, what a Jewish thing to do. It's insane.

Yeah. They literally got him by the fucking nuts. Yeah. It's no different than the entertainment industry. Yeah. And that's what happened to yay. Right, right. Yay went against them, and then they literally froze his money at Apple,

froze his money at Adidas, all the stuff that he thought was his. It's actually theirs. That's what the contract says. So it's like that's how they centralized control. It's crazy. People, you know, once again, it's like people just don't know how it works behind the scenes. Yeah. And that's how we have this.

Everyone that's put in front of us is controlled. They're on strings, except for us. I'm glad you said that. Oh, man. Could it be positive? Hey, do you have any political aspirations, run for office, said it? I don't know. I don't think I'm cut out.

I have no impulse control. Like you guys. No. You try to say you're black? Yeah, exactly. I'm too black to run around from swinging on people and just saying the wrong thing. Yeah. No, probably not.

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