Hodgetwins Podcast - Hodgetwins & Sage Steel Have HAD IT With Black Fatigue!

Episode Date: October 19, 2025

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Growing up in a black neighborhood and only seeing that side of it, you have such a narrow sense of the world. Yeah, it puts you in a box. Yeah, it puts you in a box. I mean, luckily, we grew up in a white neighborhood, so we had white friends and we had black friends, and we got to see both. But what's funny about that is a lot of our black friends

seen us as being biracial, even though both our parents are black. And they would... Because we're light. Yeah, because we're light skin. And it was like, no, you're not black. You got the light eyes. Yeah. They would say, no, you're not black.

They would tell us that. I would say, fine by me. They want to be black anyway. No, you didn't. That's terrible. He's always joking. He doesn't. No, you didn't.

I'm just joking things. Fine by me? I'll say a lot of stuff pissed off black people, but I'm joking. I know. Well, that's the thing. But because of your skin color and your eyes, just like me with my hair. Right.

then you're different. And then I'm told, yeah, you're told you're not black or, oh, you think you're better because, I'm like, of course I don't. I didn't say that. I would never say that. Right. You're putting that on me. Yeah. Like what is that?

Why were you not black? Yeah. Right. That's some too good looking. Plus the two of you together, trouble. Yeah. I mean, okay, how was it with the ladies? Oh, we were so shy.

Oh, my God. If I, like, if you was in my class, if you was in my class, I'd be like, she's looking at me. You see what sage were in there? Yes, she's looking at me. Yeah. I was so. We were, like, very, I was trying to put it.

I was very awkward. I wasn't a ladies' man. I was very quiet. We're introverts because we had each other. We had friends, but we was always together. We didn't really need anybody else. So we were very shy. What an advantage that was.

Yeah, it has been. Especially if you weren't black enough, right? At least you had each other. Yeah, but I guess I could call myself biracial, but both my parents are black. Yeah, yeah. So what would you say? Would you, just I am?

We got our DNA. We know exact genetic makeup. Our ancestors are all over the world. So we're at 54% not African. Yeah. Rest is European, Scottish, Ireland. Yeah. Don't you think most people are like that now?

Yeah, yeah. If you're black in its country, you're not all black. There's no way in here. Right, right. And you're also probably not straight from Africa. But when you say African-American. Right. I don't even like that word African-American.

Yeah. It's a big lie. Because then we need to do it for every single person, Croatian-American, you know, Spanish-American, Italian-American, Irish-Rican. They don't do it. They just call themselves American. Just an American. I'm just an American.

Did you see the, I post? posted a t-shirt on my Instagram account on 4th of July yeah I'm getting like you I was during the pot a little bit yeah and it said I identify as American right and I I saw it I thought I thought on Instagram I bought it on some shop on Instagram and I was like my daughter I came downstairs she was like no mom do not do that don't wear that out and do not post it I was like oh that's a great message do that why do that why because she can know she's younger and it's hard when it affects your kids and yeah yeah now I think they gave up on me.

Now they're just like, oh, she's out there now. But I think that's such a great message. We're all Americans. You shouldn't be offended by that. Tell me how you could be. Yeah. You know? But they want, people want and benefit from identity politics.

Right. So, no, I just, I'm American. And I grew up on military bases around the world. Yeah. You've seen all walks of life all over the world. When I lived in Belgium, we did not live on the American base. So we had Norwegians to the right. French to the left, Turkish people across the street, and none of the kids spoke each other's

language. We figured out how to play kickball in the street. We figured out how to ride our bikes down to the candy store, and I got all the Belgian candy and chocolate. That's why I'm a chocolate snob now, because I've lived in Belgium, and I'm like that. So kids figure stuff out. Adults are the ones that screw them up. Right. And we, I just, all I saw, and this is, you know, I've been criticized and just for not, oh, you're not black enough, you don't identify with, with my, I just, I'm just me. Yeah. A mom.

What does that even mean, Sage, you're not black enough? I never, I haven't came in with a great response yet because it doesn't make sense to it. Well, I just, I'm like, you're actually being a racist by saying that. Right. Give me the list. Give me the criteria. Go ahead. Tell me what quantifies black enough.

Right. Because that goalpost keeps moving. but when I grew up and I, it was true diversity. And there were so many interracial marriages, by the way, all the kids looked all different. And all I knew is that I was the new kid and I wanted to find friends. And then when another new kid came in, because that's what military kids do, you're in and out, in and out.

You're just accepting to that kid too. And I had friends that looked like, or from all different, all seven continents, you know. So I will not apologize for, truly believing in that diversity because I've lived it and I know the benefits of it. I think it just makes this all better and I'm so proud to be

an American. I just want to be Keith. I want to be black, I want to be white, I don't be a barren. I just want to be Keith. That's all I really want. Growing up, we got a lot of, I would you call it hate from black people? Yeah. Would you get a lot of hate from black people

because of the way you look? Not much when I was younger. Again, military. So kids were very accepting. It was definitely once I got older. Once I got to college. And then my husband was my very first boyfriend. And he's white.

Oh, wow. I got married my first. I know. So I was with him seven years before we got married and then 20 years married. So from 20 to 47, that's all I knew. And people were like, oh, well, you didn't date a white guy or a black guy. And I was like, before I met him, I actually had this huge crush on this one football. I went to Indiana.

I mean, and I saw him and I would like, I ran the other way. I was nerdy, shy as well. Yeah, I was so sad. But I was super attracted to so many black guys, but guess what? Not one of those black guys at IU that I knew would date a black girl. They only dated white girls. So I'm like, okay. I'm super interested in him and he's like, I don't have time for you.

I want blonde hair, blue eye, white girl over here. Right. And then, okay, so then this guy. you know, gave me a chance and we fell in love. And because he's white, I'm a sellout. I can't. So you have to, and I would say this to younger people who deal with this or even people more our age, you just have to let go of what others think.

And I know it's easier said than done because I had to do that my whole life and being in the spotlight on TV for 28 years. 16 at the worldwide leader where people said stuff every single day. every day, especially when social media came about. I had peers who said I was not black enough and wouldn't work with me. At ESPN, that was a documented story and it happened four years ago and that devastated me. That's harassment. 100% and I reported it and I talked to the bosses and they didn't do anything about it.

So when a reporter found out about it because one in particular, the woman, she was kind of bragging to people about it and talking about it out loud and I got saved. I think I know you're talking about it. Yeah. she looks like you her skin color and she's got black yeah yeah yeah no I don't think she does no no no I don't think it's somebody else um so I'm like what does that mean but so she was kind of bragging about it and guess what well I've been there a long time a lot of people talk and it got out past me where I had a reporter call me and I had a decision to make right and it was do I just not take the call, do I not talk about it,

or do I actually stand up? Because this has been going on for 100 years, right? Right. As in the industry. I talked to my agent at the time, and I was in tears, because I'm like, when is this going to end? Like, when is there accountability for people who are making racist statements?

And it's still racist, even if you have 30 skin color. Racism is racism. It's not reverse racism. It's racism. That term is stupid and shouldn't even exist. Right. So there was a moment in time where my agent and I and he said I think this is your moment and so I responded to the reporter and gave them a statement and so that was 22 that was four years ago so that was kind of the beginning probably of the end because that's when I once you stand up for yourself yeah

they target who was that who was the um L Duncan and Michael Eves now Michael Eves did he have a show with Jamel Hill his and hers no that was Michael Smith oh it's Michael I wonder, you know, I sent you a clip. I used to watch Earspin all the time. And it was his and hers. Yeah. And that was their podcast. Michael and Jamal, yeah, it was good.

Yeah. You thought it was good? I mean, at the time, it was, it was, I mean, there were certain good moments. Yeah, I don't know what you're about to show. I mean, about watching this, this is the first time I, like, watched that show. And I'm just going to go ahead and play the clip. This was. Oh.

Can you make it bigger, Joe? What's up? You do. What's up? Man, I had been up this early in a long time. Turned on the TV this morning, watching SportsCenter AM. And I just realized we're living in a... We're living in a different world.

I mean, they was doing all these highlights, talking to all these analysts. And I just realized, man, either they don't know. I don't know, don't show, I don't care about what's going on his and hers. I mean, they're doing the top 10. They ain't even have no shit on Hardin the Pake. Like in Jamalya, I got those DTMs. You know that doing too much countdown? Man, get the f*** out my face!

And keep them damn babies out the street. This shit crazy. You know, the state getting Michigan? I don't even know how I feel about it, neither, man. These games, it just go on and on. Next thing you know, people gonna try to get us to stop quote movies. Man. So y'all gotta change sometime.

All right, because I gotta go. Hey, Jay, we still got one month left in the hood, man. Oh, okay, I see. Y'all think y'all better than the rest of us. No more OG his and hers podcast because y'all do the 6 o'clock. I got something to say to both of y'all. Y'all ain't, y'all don't do and you ever ain't gonna be. Is that it?

Hell not, ain't it? It's it when I say it said. Don't get smart with me. I knock both y'all little ass in the middle of next week. I must think I'm the maid around here. You're out of coast to coast, top five? I mean, I was watching ESPN and they showed that. I was like, I never watched this show again.

I forgot about that. Yeah, what was he trying? Was he trying to be funny or start a new acting career? I didn't know what that was about. I said I would not to get more gangsters to watch that show drinking a 40 ounce it was so creepy how much she looked like ice cube I couldn't look at her ever gas like this is ice cube

I am gonna leave it alone yeah yeah I just it was and I'm kidding when I say that it's just like what do you what do you say yeah I mean that was back when Michael and Jamel were doing the 6 p.m. sports center they had gone up to that So then, yeah, I mean, there's a lot there. Not one of those people is still there.

Yeah, right. I left by choice later, you know what I mean? I noticed a lot of people they got rid of. What was the major reason behind that? Was it budget cuts or was it not profitable? Layoffs, layoffs. They had, I think the network had overspent in many ways for many, many years. So the first layoffs, I want to say, 2014 and then 2017 and 2021, whatever.

There's been a lot. It's still going on there. Yeah. Yeah. And COVID affected a lot, too. And then they realized, oh, we don't need as much to get as much to get it done. But that falls on the people who then have a much higher workload. Moral is still not great there.

Just like in many places in corporate America, many media networks, morale is terrible. Especially because I remember y'all will be on TV all day. During pandemic? Yeah. No, just in general before the pandemic. I remember you'll be on TV all day and it looked like majority of that was live. So I'm sure y'all worked like long hours. Yeah, but there were a lot of different people doing different shows.

Yeah. A lot of different shows. And I did many of them through the years, you know. The last two and a half years were on the noon Eastern Sports Center, which is my favorite because my co-host and my team. It's two live hours and it's, you know, you got to go. Everything that we said, we wrote ourselves. People weren't writing our stuff for us.

Yeah. There were times when there were writers that would help if there were some breaking news that was happening. And while we're in a commercial break, they're doing this and we're trying to get information. It was a true team effort. Right. And I loved that because that's like sports. At the Sports Network, it was a true team. We had a great team. I was on 6 p.m. before that and asked off of that, not a great situation, not a great team on that in general.

And, you know, people are like, you're crazy. Why would you ask off the prime time? I'm like, I don't care about ratings. If I'm not with the right people who want to be teammates and not be competing with each other or not being supported behind the scenes, too many cooks in the kitchen, I was like, I'm good, I'm good. And I missed all of my kids, not all, but a lot of their track meets and after school activities. Oh, yeah. You sacrifice a lot. I did.

Again, I received a lot. I really did. And I want to be fair about that. But there are things that are more important. And once you realize that you're just a number and dispensable as we all are. Yes, we are. It does not matter who or what you do or how good you were. Like, they will replace you.

And so once you realize that, it's very healthy. Right. Because, you know, it doesn't matter that that was the prime time show I was on, that the ratings were higher. Because my paycheck was the same. And I personally didn't change my work ethic based on the ratings of a show. Right. I was going to bring it no matter what every day. You can ask my producers.

I drove them crazy at times. Right. You know, but no matter what, I'm going to bring it. That's my reputation. That's my credibility. That's my pride. My parents watching. Right.

My dad, who went through a hell of a lot more than I ever did. Right. And my kids. So I'm not going to change my work ethic based on which show I'm on. Right now. I'm building a whole new show on YouTube, you know? Right. And I'm starting from scratch with that.

Yeah. the good team. But I'm doing a lot more than most people do when you just, you know, you set up, you do a podcast, you talk, and you're out. No, no, no, I'm going through every single thing. I'm looking at every clip. I'm picking ins and outs and the font and this is, I'm writing my own captions.

Like, I'm doing all of it. Wow. More than I probably should. But that's the producer in me because I care. And I know what I think makes it good based on being a consumer for so long, but being a producer too. So I just work ethic is everything.

And I think it comes across in the product and hopefully for viewers. You guys know that. You've worked your butt off for a long, long time. But on YouTube, 16 years? No one gave you that following. No one did it. And I think that's kind of cool.

Just like when I started in TV, I was on TV during the day and I was waiting tables at night. And they would recognize me from TV in South Bend, Indiana, and in Indianapolis. Like, decent-sized markets. And so I'd be that girl out on the

street, you know, it's winter, it's snowing, stay inside as I'm outside on the highway, being an idiot, but that's what I had to do. And then I'd go home and I'd change clothes and take a quick nap maybe and then go wait tables till midnight. Because I was making ends meet. I was making $18,000 a year. Like, you know, car insurance, car insurance payment, you know, rent, all of it. So like, I wasn't going to let anyone say she didn't, you know, she's changed or she, you know, I'm doing that work. and I know what I did for all those years. And I just hope my kids...

They see it, yeah. Yeah, I think they do now. But I will never let them be lazy. And if so, good luck. Yeah, good luck. Like, get out there. My daughter now, my oldest is working at a horse show in Vermont. She rode horses for years and needs to make a little money and wants to keep riding.

I'm like, listen, now you're 22. She has one more year of college. I'm like, I'm not paying for that anymore. So good luck. As an insurance agents always say, don't buy anything that floats and anything that eats. No boats, no horses. I bought a horse. It has changed my financial outlook.

But my daughter, anyway, she's out there and she's working at 5.30 a.m. And working all day in the dirt, in the horse shit, and all of it. And my son's working at a factory this summer in West Hartford, Connecticut, producing ball bearings. He gets there at 6 a.m. and he's off at 4 p.m. Like, go figure it out. That's good. Yeah. Go to work.

I did it. And look what happened. And I'm so grateful for it. But I also had a lot of people along the way that supported me. But many times you guys where I wanted to quit and run away and was so sad and so scared up to the end, frankly. Right. But, you know, I know I can always say that I did it honestly and with a lot of hard work, you know. No one did it for me.

Yeah, yeah. That's a beautiful story. You waited tables. Your dad. Everything is just... And even like the horse thing, it sounds random, but when we lived in Belgium, I was so shy like you guys.

And the doctor was like, you need to, like, try horses because animals can be therapeutic. And especially with horses, with little girls, and bring them out of their shell because they feel responsible for the animal. So I was nine and they did it. And they took me out to some,

to the barn. and I never left. And that horse and being around horses and eventually getting my own horse back when we moved to back to the States changed, like saved me. Yeah. And my mother went back to work

in order to afford it. So my dad's an army officer. My mother, you know, we're living in different countries. She couldn't have a career. We're always moving. Right. But this time she knew she wanted to make sure I had that horse

to keep my confidence up and show me hard work. So she went to work so I could have, you know, like there's sacrifices along the way. People see you up on that TV screen, see you guys in your success. Oh, okay, they forgot where they can't. They forgot who they are. Yeah. You're damn right, I forgot who I was.

You're like, I hope so. But don't you love, I love the fact that, like, I don't know, that the humble beginnings are everything. Yeah. I think that's part of what made us. Yeah. We came from nothing. A lot of times when people are born with everything, they don't understand. what it took to get there.

Yeah, I don't appreciate it. They don't. Yeah. Our first house, we didn't have a bathroom. We had an outhouse. Yeah. In the second house. Oh, my God.

The second house. You can put up my second house. Can you, um... Yeah, don't pull that shit. Hold up. I don't want to say that. That house. I remember...

Where was it? Um, Martinsville, Virginia. Wow. Hey, NASCAR country. Yeah. Yeah, NASCAR. Yeah, I got NASCAR. And I remember every day when we get off a basketball practice,

we'll be other kids in the car with the coach taking us home. Yeah. And every time we got dropped out, what? You live in that house? Are you serious? Yeah. So we can start having people drop us off like a block away from our house. Oh, my God.

Right. Yeah, we had a really, we were very poor. Our mom didn't work. It was just our dad. Dad, he died on our 14th birthday. What? Yeah. I didn't know that.

Yeah, but he had a terminal illness, so we've seen it coming. But they was given to him by the place he worked. Yeah. So we started out for a very. Humble beginnings. Do you have other siblings? You have an older brother. He went to the Army, and I have an older sister.

You guys are the babies. Yeah, we're the babies, yeah. But anything worked out for us. And so now what does your house look like? You're going to put that picture up. Oh, you ought to see my house now. Yeah? They were like, you live in this house?

It's the same question, just for the different vibe behind. Different vibe, yeah. So how proud are you guys of that, you know? Very proud. media family, my brothers, my sisters, like my wife, my kids. I mean, just like 15 years ago, we was in a very different place than we are now. Yeah, YouTube is like the best invention because without YouTube I wouldn't be here. And it was therapeutic for us because we're so shy.

Yeah. And when we turned the camera on the first time, like 15, 16 years ago, it felt like people were watching us. Yeah. Right? So it was like our therapy. Yeah. And it brought us out of our shell. Wow.

Yeah. Yeah. even start that. Yeah. You know? You got to have thick skin when you start reading those comments. See, I don't read the comments. Yeah, I don't read them either.

I don't. I did. You lose brain sales reading it. Well, my poor mother did for many years. And I'm like, mom. Yeah. Don't. Because those people with no life.

The sane ones don't comment. Right. But then they come up to you and airports and everything. I bet people stop you, right? It's like. Yeah. Our fans do. I haven't ran into a nut yet.

That's what I mean. The fans do. But there's always more positive than negative. Oh, yeah. The crazies are the only ones that take the time to go, yeah, yeah. You're like, oh my God, get a life, you know. Yeah.

But if you read it, you do take it in. Now, there are sometimes where we should read it. And it is good to have feedback. And you don't, you don't have bosses. I always had bosses to make sure I say. Now you don't have a boss. You don't have a boss. I don't, which is beautiful.

Now you can be like Trump. I mean, just for my, just from my Lord Trump posts, Like I only today posted the first video clip from it. The number of people who are like, I used to love you and I'm out. I'm like, today. That is so sad. I don't get that. What do they have against Laura Trump?

Well, it's just her last name. But the point to me is you can hate her all you want. You haven't. I guarantee you haven't listened to what she says on my show. Probably anywhere else. It's the last name. But right there that proves to me that you don't practice what you preach. Right.

You preach diversity and tolerance. and inclusion and acceptance. But it comes to the most important one, which I've always said this. I've spoken about this publicly for 15 years, diversity of thought. That's when you go quiet. And that's when you're like,

I love you, Sage, I'm out, or I hate you, Sage, when you disappoint me. And one of the comments, this guy that literally has followed me for 15, 20 years, and we communicate once a month with the same birthday. And today he's like, I loved you, I've supported you. But the fact that, and I tried to ignore your politics, I'm like, okay.

He said the fact that you have someone like this on your show, they should never be allowed on your show. I'm like, listen what you just said, Mr. Liberal. Yeah. Like that is the antithesis of acceptance and tolerance and liberal, you know? These people don't even know why they mad at you or Laura Trump. It's just what's been fed to them. And they believe it. But even if they believe it, that's their right.

You should still not ever have in your heart to say they don't belong. on that platform because I don't like them. Yeah, yeah. They're trying to hold you accountable for their ignorance. Correct. Yeah, and when you get that V-Carolidics you get, it's mostly, I'm assuming, is from black people. I'd say about 80 to 85%.

Yeah, yeah. And that, I will admit to you also, I've done a lot today. That's the most painful. Yeah. It's sad to see people that you want to help be successful. Because I was their girl when I kept my mouth shut and I was just on the ESPN doing my thing. You were the face for them or the black community. And they uplifted me.

And it was wonderful. And it was wonderful until I give an opinion on this. And wait a minute. Oh, she's not one of us. Do you know how many times people have said you are uninvited to the cookout, the barbecue? If you think you're original, you guys, that's not even, that's so lame at this point. Yeah, we'll say one thing they said, not all skin folk or kinfolk or something like that. Yeah.

I get, it's, that's dumb, Negro vernacular. That's exactly what that is. Like, when you look at the black community and like 95% of them vote for Democrats, there's no other demographic in this country that votes in a clip like that. No. There are such a monolith. It's like Latinos don't vote. I think they're like 60, 40.

But black people, it's like 95. In some places, it's like 98%. When it comes to election time, they vote Democrat. It's so. it's actually crazy and once again I told someone I was in Atlanta doing this thing with Byron Donald and Wesley Hunt it was incredible this cool thing we did and they had them on my show

and they're just special brilliant men men with capital letters not boys we need more men right and it was I said to I said to somebody I go you know Martin Luther King Jr. was a Republican right He was like, what? Like, just do your homework. Now, Republicans then versus now are very different, sure.

But again, let's just go basic. Tell me how your life is better under Democrat policies over the last, I'll just do three years. You want to keep going back? How about 60 years? How is it better for black people in America? It's not. They're trying to replace more of the Latinos. Yes.

But if you would, so if you would like to continue to vote based on that, well, then do not, do not bitch and moan when everything continues. And it still looks the same in these cities. Sorry. What they're doing, yes, with the Hispanic voters is gross. And that's why we are a mess at the border too. We all know why this is happening. And that's why a good job to Texas governor,

the Texas governor who's like, okay, what, you're fine with all this here, fine, you try it. Look at New York City right now. 65,000. Yeah. Illegal. This is, you know, xenophobic for not one and a half. Emmerg's going.

Now you're trying to feel the pain that we're feeling. We started, hey, you need to take some of this burden from us because this is not the policies we support. This is what you believe in. It's what you believe in. And now, and there's no accountability for it. We need more money. The things that you hear these politicians in New York and everywhere else saying,

it just blows my mind. So we can't convince people to take the time to educate themselves and do homework. I can't. Yeah. But I don't want to hear it. then because all I know is I don't care what color anyone is. I do not just make America great again. Because I believe that we were and are not currently but still can be.

And maybe I'm biased because of my love based on my family background where my father is a retired army colonel. two uncles also went to West Point. One of their sons went to West Point. And my dad's brother, Black brother, was there at the same damn time at West Point in the 1960s. That did not happen. And my grandfather was a Buffalo soldier.

So I come from a long line of great black men who fought for our country. And so I'm not giving up. I refuse to give up, but I'm not going to be in denial either. Just go along with this BS that's happening right now. What do you think about when Biden was at that I think it was a black church. And he said, they're going to put us back in chains.

I mean, when I hear that, it's like so infuriating to me that people fall for that. I don't even get mad anymore because it's comical. Yeah. It's a joke. And it's disgusting. Yeah. It is. That race called Democrats' pool is disgusting.

Why is it so powerful against black people? It's like, y'all don't see how they're actually. pimping the black community. Again, I don't know, but that's why, again, just let's everybody try that. Ask that question to somebody who's yelling at you, a black person who's yelling at you, for being a Republican, a sellout, and Uncle Tom, all the things that we've all been called, right? Yeah. Okay, tell me one thing he's done.

Tell me one thing Barack Obama did for the black community. Yeah. Black unemployment was lowest under Donald Trump. Nobody's given more to HBCUs than Donald Trump. Yeah. I don't think it's nothing you can do to switch them. You've got to have an ounce of integrity to listen to take this information, use it. Well, and just maturity.

Yeah. Like, again, put your emotions away. I do think the most unique part, sadly, is that no other communities treat each other the way the black community treats each other. Yeah. I don't see it happening. We are complicated. Yeah, but you know what?

This is not complicated. This part where you're attacking because you're not all on the same page. Right. Okay, like when we talk about the black vote, I push back on Wesley and Donald and a couple of other people recently with this, the black vote. What does that mean? That means that you think that by discussing this that you're going to be representing all black people's votes, the black vote, don't tell me what you think I need or want because we have the same skin color. They don't do that. What does the white vote mean?

Yeah. Or is the Asian vote mean? Right. Stop. But we accept that. Well, black people. want this and this. How are you speaking for me? What I want might be different from what you want,

even if we're voting for the same person actually. So why do we do? But most importantly, the hate and the tearing down of each other, I don't see that in other communities to the levels that we do in the black community if you don't go along with everything we're supposed to go along with and don't, and if you are doing what you guys are doing. Yeah. You know?

I lost a lot of black friends. I gentrified my own audience. But my audience has not really been, hasn't been from the moment. We had a good rounded audience from the start, but when we went political, it got really white. Yeah.

You go to our comedy show. It looks like a Bruce Springsteen concert. Does that upset you? Nope. Nope. They buy all my shit. These white people spend money. They support you.

And they love I get. And when I go into a comedy show, they give us a standard elevation, before we even tell one joke, and they give us another one before we leave. The love we get from white conservatives, I've never experienced that love from black liberals, black people in general. It's nothing but love. They really...

You can feel it like when you go out on stage. You can cut it with a knife. Yeah, you can feel the love for us when we're performed for them. I can't even put in the words. It's like actually giving me kills just thinking about how much they support us. I love to hear that. Yeah. Well, it's interesting, though, because I think it's the same thing.

In my comments, even more today. And I told you I don't usually read them. But at the beginning I'll be like, okay, okay, fine, click off. It's, oh, of course you like this stage, because as long as you're getting love from all the white people, then you're good. And it's like, is that what you think this is? By having certain opinions and saying certain things and speaking up for certain issues that are important to me, then that's me pandering to get white people to like me. Yeah. And you know what they say?

And I'm like, black people, that's what they say. I'm like, no, no, I just think that we're not monolithic. Like, we all think differently and uniquely because we're all actually different human beings. Yeah, right, right. I don't look at like a black and white issue. I just look at it as right from wrong. Yeah. But it's people on the left that make everything about race.

Because that's how they get the vote.