Hodgetwins Podcast - Islam and Judaism Have ONE Thing In Common... They HATE Christ? | Twins Pod | Episode 66 | Jay Dyer

Episode Date: May 23, 2025

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We've got Jake Dyerna House. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I don't think that the modern nation state of Israel is necessarily identical to what the Old Testament theological significance of Israel is. The idea that the secular atheist nation state is the fulfillment of some promise is an evangelical mistake. So I'm sorry, that was a long-ass answer to say. That's a dumb evangelical mistake.

Before Israel was founded, established, Palestine was there, and who lived there? So it was actually a Christian place. So I believe that rabbinic Judaism is against Christianity. Yes, it is a synagogue of Satan in that its philosophy and its theology are essentially collated against Jesus being the Messiah. Supposedly, they found their Messiah. They need two red heifers. I started reading the Bible in 90s, and I've been hearing since the 90s. They're going to sacrifice the heifers.

I'm not saying that there's not people that want to do it. I'm just saying I've been hearing it since I was a kid. I mean, they want that, yeah. Muslims and Christians, I think we have more in common than, let's say, Christians with Jews. I disagree on that. Okay. But only because I would have agreed with you 10 years ago. And then I started debating Muslims and learning Islam.

A lot of academic treatments of the history of Islam, they'll talk about how indebted it is to the Talmud. Really? Yes. So I believe Islam is actually very heavily Talmudic. Hey, Kim, what's going on with you today? What's going on with you today? Look, you can put it up there. just yeah welcome to episode 66 we got j day darn house yeah yeah thanks for making it out

appreciate it thank you for having me man honored to be here with you guys been watching you guys's clips very funny stuff very funny stuff all right good you being a religious man it's like a sin yeah yeah watching us yeah oh liking you yeah my family's uh did they didn't want to tell what i I did on YouTube. Well, back in those days, I used to curse a lot. Yeah, we don't curse. I don't curse it. Okay.

Yeah. You'll be used codes? Sometimes I'll slip up. Okay. I just bleep it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But anyway, so me and my brother, we just recently, I would say over the last month, we just started reading the King James version.

Yeah. Of the Bible. And I text you something, Joe. It's a couple of images. And it's about Israel. And I always thought it was kind of, I don't know if sacrilegious is the word for it for like a government to name an area that Israel because that's something God named in the Bible to a family Jacob's family and his descendants

would you say that sacrilegious or am I saying this all wrong for a government to give a land so like the modern nation state of Israel right yeah yeah to like what's going on in the Old Testament all that yeah I think that it's like the modern nation state was set up to be essentially an atheistic, quasi-socialist, almost kind of a New World Order project. It was established under the British Empire and the British Empire's mandate. The British Empire was run by the Rothschild more or less at that time. So this is pretty much a Rothschild project in tandem with the rest of what's called the Atlantis' power blog,

which is just Western civilization basically at that time. So I think they wanted a geostrategic location to be in the Middle East, to be kind of a landing base for the West. And eventually, I think what happened is that it became very much a power block of its own. Obviously, we had a lot of subversion

of our government through operatives. So, you know, a big part of the Epstein-Maxwell stuff was that kind of compromise. So I don't think that the modern nation state of Israel is necessarily identical to what the Old Testament theological significance of Israel is.

I think it's the same loose people group. There are still Jews. There's some people that think that there's no more Jews in regard to the Old Testament Jews. I do think they're the same people group. When you read the church fathers, you know, they still continue after, you know, rabbinic Judaism comes about in the 4th and 5th century. They still speak of Jews as Jews.

But the idea that the secular atheist nation state is the fulfillment of some promise is an evangelical mistake. So I'm sorry, that was a long-ass answer to say. That's a dumb evangelical. No offense to evangelicals. But this comes out of dispensationalism and like the Schofield study Bible, which was funded by Oxford and promoted in America to get people on board with, I believe, the new nation state of Israel.

Oh, okay. Exactly. So go ahead and bring that up. So I was reading this in the King James Version, and it said, well, I don't want to read all of that. It's towards the bottom of that that's highlighted. It said, you know, that was, find Joe. Keep it right there. The land

which the Lord your God giveth thee, then ye shall return unto the land of your possession and enjoy it, which Moses the Lord's servant gave you on this side of Jordan toward the sun rising. That's like giving a location of Israel. Yeah. The land, right? So bring up the little map I think you, Joe. So the sun comes up in the east, right? So

based on that, there's Jordan. There's Jordan. Now, Israel is in the West. So I would think if what was mentioning the King James version of the Bible, the area that God promised his chosen people, looked like it would probably be in Iraq or Saudi Arabia, or am I reading this and seeing this wrong? Well, by the time of when David takes Zion, right, eventually when you get to the books of the kings, you'll notice that David eventually takes Israel or, excuse me, takes, Jerusalem, right? So

Jerusalem, and this is something you might have not noticed, when you're reading Genesis, it mentions the story of Malkisadegh, right? Malkisadec was a Gentile priest in the land of Salem, right? This is way back in Abraham's day, right? So this is before they

try to conquer the land. And if you fast forward to the time when David's beginning to conquer the city, the main city of Jerusalem, right? To take it back, people think that, this is some sort of like land theft, but it was originally a gentile, righteous people group that worship the true God that the Canaanites and the Amalekites and these other nations came in and took. So God is telling David and Josh from these people to take that land back, right? But was originally a righteous Gentile nation because Mokizade was a Gentile. Paul,

will describe this in Hebrew 7. So, I mean, that might sound like I'm getting off topic, but When you get to later on, no, I think that the cities in where we think of Israel today, they are the same locations, right? Like Jerusalem is Jerusalem. And that's the land that by the time of King David he takes. It makes it the city of David. But in his Psalms, he refers to the city of Zion as identical to Salem. I think it's Psalm 76.

Identical to Salem where Malkisadegh was a priest back in the days of Abraham. The only reason I say all that is that Paul makes an argument out of this to show that in Hebrew 7, he says that the priesthood that Mokizadec had is superior to the Mosaic-Ironic Levitical priesthood. So anything that's mosaic law is inferior to this higher priesthood, which Hebrew 7 says was about Jesus. So Jesus is the priesthood of Malkisadegh. We are an order of priest according to the order of Malkisadegh. Psalm 110. That's about the Messiah. And when the Messiah comes, he's after the order of Mokisidic.

So it's a superior and a fulfillment of both the Mekazidician priesthood and the Levittal priesthood. Does that make sense? Yeah, somewhat. A little bit. Well, I'm just trying to give you the history to show that, like, it is the city of Jerusalem. It is that area that eventually they take. And you'll notice, too, if you're reading Joshua, there's a text in Joshua. I forget which chapter it is, but it specifically says that they eventually have taken the land.

So because modern day people in the Lakud or Nathia'u's party, they'll try to say that there's still Amalekites around. So they spiritualize and say that anyone that disagrees with Israel is Amalek. But the Amalekites are gone. Like there's no Amalekites today. See what I'm saying? So they use that to say, we're still fighting this battle. Yeah, exactly. But there's no Amalekites.

Amalekites are gone. They're just using these texts to say that we're still fighting this. same battle from, you know, Joshua's time. Yeah, so naming it at Israel, that's all a ruse. Do you think? Yes and no. So on one level, there are Jewish people that I think are genuinely Jewish people. But the religion is kind of mixed in with rabbinic philosophy, Kabulism.

It's kind of all over the place. And I would say ultimately, at the end of the day, many Jews just kind of do whatever the rabbi says. and so it's kind of amorphous and subjective because they don't believe in like going to another rabbi to get a higher opinion it's just sort of like if this rabbi right here that I have tells me to do this then that's what I do even if he's wrong

you just do it I'm serious they have a position that you don't go to check it and like find out like it's relativized oh really it is yeah so I would say that's kind of a disqualifier that it's like I identical to the Old Testament Hebrew religion.

We believe as Orthodox Christians that the authentic Hebrew religion is Orthodox Christianity. They worship the Trinity in the Old Testament. They're looking forward to the Messiah even in the Old Testament. Jesus says, you read John 5 to 9, when he's debating with the Pharisees, who are the proto-Romenical, rabbinic philosophers, right? The proto-Talmudic philosophers. Jesus says, Abraham believed in me. Abraham rejoiced to see my day.

So Abraham had faith in Jesus, the Messiah. That's his argument, right? And they're saying, how are you, you're not even 50 years old? How are you around when Abraham was alive? That was thousands of years ago. And Jesus is saying that, no, I am God. I'm the one that created Abraham. I'm the one that gave Israel this name, right?

So Israel is also personified in the person of Christ. There's a prophecy at the beginning of Luke. It says, out of Israel, I called my son, right? In Isaiah 53, 54, those famous suffering servant chapters predicting Jesus, he's called Israel the suffering servant. So Israel, yes, it's the name of right, it's after Jacob wrestles with

the angel. But when he says, I've called you Israel, when he's wrestling with him, Jesus and John 1 at the end of John 1 says that he was the one wrestling with Jacob. So he's the latter of God. So he's the one that named Jacob Israel. So Jacob becomes

a symbol for the whole nation state. But if you fast forward to now, after the coming of the Messiah, Israel isn't a nation state because in Matthew 21, Jesus gives a parable where he says they were divorced as a collective nation state. So what we have today

does involve Jewish people, but it's a nation state created for a socialist geopolitical ideology that was formulated by people like Moses Hess, have you heard of him? No. So he's like a, he was a forefather of socialism and Marxism.

He's writing around the time of Marx. Okay. And he wrote a book about the, in the 1860s. And he said that we've got Rothschild's on our side. And we're going to create this nation state in Palestine. We're going to call it Israel, right? So Palestine did exist. It did exist, yeah.

So why republics don't believe? I mean, and prior to that, if you go back to the Middle Ages, it was a Byzantine Christian place. So it was actually a Christian place. To this day, the Orthodox Church is the third largest landowner in that nation state of Israel. So you have even Orthodox some of the rabbinic Jews today who take their text seriously. They think Zionism is wrong, and that they're not supposed to be in the land until their Messiah comes. So even the Jews don't have really consistent position on this. Does that make sense?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, so that whole mutual thing, they have a hidden agenda, ulterior motives. A lot of people think it's true. When they named it, Israel. Yeah. A lot of people think it's for religious, really, but it's not. It was a secular, atheistic. I mean, some of the early people involved in Zionism had some belief in God, but not anything to do with the way that the Old Testament describes Hebrew religion.

And when you get to the third, fourth, fifth centuries of the history of the church, that's when you really get this split between Judaism at that time. second temple Judaism from the days of Christ up into the second third century and the formulation of what's called rabbinic or Talmudic Judaism. So that's when it really crystallizes. They collate in the fourth and fifth century the rabbinic traditions and they say this is now what Judaism is because they have to figure out a way to have their religion without the temple because the temple's destroyed in 70 AD. Okay. I believe Jesus is predicting that in Luke 21 and Matthew 24. So the temple's gone. Jews are in the diaspora again. And so they come up with a,

philosophy and ideology that allows them to kind of make up for not having the temple so well you go to your synagogue right how do you do good works and sacrifice well you give money right so it's like you make up for not having a temple and all that with this new rabbinic Judaism and that's where we are today that rabbinic Judaism is not identical to old testament Judaism even the days of jeremiah if you read the prophet jeremiah you're going to notice that he talks about the lying pen of the scribe and jesus mirrors that when he preaches against the pharisees in matthew 22 23 24 and he talks about the scribes and the pharisees sit in the seat of moses they're hypocrites all of the you know prophecies of the prophets will come upon this generation in vengeance

this is the vengeance of the prophets is coming upon this generation because they crucified messana so you get the divorce of israel as a nation state in matthew 21 i think 43 so so we're we're living in the christian Christian era, but they don't accept that. So they had to kind of come up with a rabbinic means of having the religion without the temple in the land. Now, a lot of people labeled Israel. I don't, you know, people who laid me as anti-Semitic. I was like, man, I love Jews. I love everybody. But, but a lot of people label the current state of Israel is the synagogue of Satan. Is that any truth of that? I think in the New Testament when Paul is talking about, because, I mean, do you? Jesus says that in early on a revelation, right? It's Revelation 2 and 3 where Jesus is rebuking the churches.

And he says, I will make those who claim to be Jews that are not Jews. Bow down before you, someone in the resurrection. And then Paul says in Thessalonians that the Jews are contrary to all people because they had rejected the Messiah. So I believe that rabbinic Judaism is against Christianity. Yes. And it is a synagogue of Satan in that its philosophy and its theology. are essentially collated against Jesus being the Messiah. Like, it's not a genetic thing, right?

Right, right. Sin isn't genetic. Sin is a choice that we make and everybody sins. Right. Yeah. I'm like, is it anywhere in the Bible where God's chosen people, a family of Israel? Do they got immunity from the Ten Commandants? No.

Of course. That's why rabbinic philosophy comes about is to come up with excuses in Kuzzi. I mean, you've probably seen like the way that Hasidic communities come up with creative, shall we say, ways to get around the Sabbath. Do you know what I'm talking about? Go into it. Okay. So like if you can look it up, but this is not me making it up. There's a couple examples is like, because you can't do any work on the Sabbath, right?

Right. So you can't work. You'll be stoned to death. I just read that. So the way that they get around that is you can't flip a light switch, right? Right. So you move a switch that doesn't cause. the electrical current to actually be cut off, you just remove a switch and then randomly you let

the current be turned off and so you're not working. Okay, another example is you can't, that's crazy. You can't walk outside on the Sabbath, okay, in rabbinic Judaism, in strict Hasidic rabbinic Judaism. Well, what if we took a string and we looped it all around this parking lot to make it an enclosure? Right. And then we're not outside anymore because it's enclosed. And I'm serious.

It sounds like a joke, but. It's kind of like the COVID thing. They put up the tent, go outside. It's COVID mentality. Yeah. So that's what Jesus was rebuking. And that's what the religion became a means of getting around the actual spirit of the laws versus the letter of the law. And that's what Paul will talk about when you get to Galatians, particularly Galatians 3 and 4.

Paul will make the very point you just made. I kind of want to go back to Palestine. So before Israel was founded, established, Palestine was there, and who lived there? It was everyone, everybody, Christians live there, Jews, right. Muslims? Yeah, yeah. They were all there in Palestine together. Yes.

In fact, I just recently read a book by a bunch of, it's a French historian and intelligence analyst doing a retro analysis of all the British spies that the British Empire sent out to spy out and to do reconsance on all the Middle East because at the time of the British Empire like late late 1900 1890s 1910 a lot of the Middle East hadn't been charted yet right so they sent out very famous spies even some of them were even women which is weird like Gertrude bell um T.E Lawrence St. John Philby they sent them out to spy because oil had just been discovered British Empire wanted oil and so they're called black gold spies um and so they went and basically just charter the whole land all of it um got an assessment of things that people didn't even know existed like there were churches old remnants of churches

in jordan that had been destroyed because it became muslim but they were just because the old cathedrals that people didn't even know the communities of christians in jordan that people didn't know about until these spies got there is what i'm trying to get at so it's a very complicated nuanced history of the middle east i'm not a middle east historian but i read a lot on it So I would say, yes, you have a lot of people living there. You have a government that's very amenable to all the people groups prior to the founding of the nation state of Israel. Because what happens is the British Empire decides that in order to, I believe, create a powder keg. I think they wanted this dialectical tension powder keg set up there for a purpose for reason.

Originally to find oil, but there wasn't really oil in Israel, but there's oil around. So they had this nation state established Balfour Declaration that was all bragged about by the Rothschildza. They got that through. It was all partly their work. Moses Hess book confirms that as well from decades earlier. So then it became more and more, I would argue, anti-Christian and anti-Muslim, because I think they want, I mean, there's, what, some people say 30% of people in Israel now want the temple rebuilt. It's called the Temple Institute. Yeah, yeah.

So you got a sizable portion, a lot of the relucud party, a lot of the sort of the far right of what Israel calls far right. They want to rebuild the temple. That means they're going to have to get rid of the mosque. They're going to have to do a lot of... And they got bringing two red heifras, perfect, right? All of that would be involved in the new temple, exactly. So there's a sizable portion that wants to do that. And then, you know, in America, you've got people like John Hage, John Hage and the blood moons of Israel.

You know who John Hage is? Yeah, like the biggest dispensation list, right? like Cofy, right? He's part of this group called Cofi, which tries to collect money from millions of dollars from Americans, like the Adelson's and all these people. And then they send it to try to rebuild the temple

to the Temple Institute. So you've got a sizable portion of dispensationalists and American evangelicals who support this idea. And I think to your point, yes, it probably was a lot safer and more amenable to pilgrims and Christians, right, before the British Empire put actual Jewish terrorists there.

So the Irgon, the Stern Gang, this is where the modern nation state of Israel's actual military militia comes from these organized crime gangs that are the, they bombed the King David Hotel to try to get rid of the British colonial oversight. Does that make sense?

Yeah, man. Did you all hear that? A little bit. Okay. Yeah, yeah. I came across on YouTube where it was supposedly they found their Messiah. They need two red heifers and they got to like bomb that that mosque there and remove it. I didn't know how I was like it sounds crazy to me.

I mean, I think that they're going to clone the two red efforts or something. There's always been this push. I mean, I started reading the Bible in 90s when I was like a young evangelical guy. And I've been hearing since the 90s like they're going to sacrifice the heifers. And there's going to be. I'm not saying that there's not people that want to do it. I'm just saying I've been hearing it since I was a kid. Right.

And I don't know how legit those articles were back then, but I mean, they want that. Yeah. Like there's a sizable group that wants that. But to, you know, if you're a historic Christian, like, there's no Zionism in the history of Christianity. Right. It's a modern atheist political movement. There's nothing really to do with what's in the Bible. But to your point, they use the terms of the Bible.

to kind of make it seem like to do people to dupe american evangelicals and that's john haigy's job is to get people on on board with it i think uh fox news is complicit well i mean i just don't understand like uh i brought victor ostrok's book with me which i've been reading have you heard of him he's like the famous masad guy that first came out with a book talking about what they're up to no no came out in uh 80s like the early 80s mid mid to early 85 or something and they interviewed him on C-SPAN, I think, around the time, like around 1990, because he put out a second book called Strategy by Deception. And he says in the clip, like, we just use it as a trick,

and everyone knows it to call people anti-Semites. He says, anytime somebody starts telling the truth, he says this. He's a proud Jew. Like, he says, we just use the label to discredit them. Right. So it's a known trick. I mean, yeah, like, he wrote by way of deception, which talks about a lot of this stuff. And he was with Mossad.

Former Mossad who quit because he said he just couldn't go along with it anymore. He's tired of it. Is that their slogan, victory through deception? Well, warfare by deception, right? But he wrote this in 1990, I should say. And then in his second book, he admits that Israel, for strategic purposes, helped fund armed, and create Hamas. Yeah.

Yeah. Multiple times. And so I was supposed to debate a guy on this and he backed out of it. But like, I mean, it's like. Yeah, it's on record, right? Would you have a debate, Ben Shapiro? Yeah, I asked him to debate multiple times. I think he just wants to talk fast and ignore it to debate.

Fax and Logic. Babylonian, town, I'm not the Pax and Logic. I mean, that's how it would go down, right? Wait a minute. And he would just like, it's like the same as that chick I was debating on whatever, like, two nights ago. He's a very intelligent man. He knows all these things. He is intelligent, yeah.

He knows all his things. Yeah. I don't think he would do it, though. I mean, he tried to debate, or Candace tried to debate him. Yeah. He backed out of that. Yeah. If he's not going to debate a black woman, he definitely debating a white man.

What if I identify as a black man? Now it's blown up enough. Now, in his second book, Ostrowski's second book, he says that, The reason they did that was because a strategy of destabilization through an Islamic radical group was more effective than Arafat and the PLO because that was a stabilizing force. And they'd rather have something not stable than something stable in terms of their enemies. Right, right. I've heard stories that Nihahu and Israel is behind 9-11 to create the animosity between evangelicals here in America and Muslims.

There's definitely a key role. I think that that far, what's called far right, party played, I guess, the Likud and those people. Because most of the people that wrote the PNAC document that talks about America needing a Pearl Harbor style event prior to the 9-11 event happening. Okay. Many of them were neocons. Many of them were like big Israeli operative type people. So there's definitely an Israeli role. I don't know if Israel did it.

Like it's not like one nation state did it. I think you had to have high-level cooperation between moles and people within the agencies to get that done. But I do think that it definitely played a very advantageous role to Israel. But I also think that British intelligence benefited. I think the CIA benefited. And I think Western intelligence in general will co-op cooperate on these types of things at a high level. Y'all like that last ram we gave away? Yeah.

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I'm not trying to be. I disagree on that. Okay. But only because I would have agreed with you 10 years ago. And then I started debating Muslims and learning Islam. Okay. So I'm ignorant when it comes to Muslims. I mean, I just think that they're both in the same level of disagreement.

Oh, I see. And if you look into a lot of academic treatments of the history of Islam, they'll talk about how embedded it is to the Talmud. Really? Yes. So I believe Islam is actually very heavily Talmudic. In fact, there's a lot of things in Islam that don't make sense, really, other than it's just what God tells you to do. Like, they have a lot of the dietary restrictions that come out of the Judaic tradition and the rabbinical traditions for no reason. So when you ask Muslims like, you know, why do you have to do the woodoo washings and why do you abstain from pork and all this stuff?

It's like, well, because Allah says to. And then when you look into the sections of the Quran that have these dietary restrictions, it's sort of like copied and paste out of the Old Testament out of Leviticus. But there's no real reason for it. Plagiarism. It is. It's a copy paste plagiarism religion. And then if you look at Christianity, there's a reason why at that time God gave those dietary laws. He said it was unclean or something like that.

It had a pedagogical significance, right? So when you get to the New Testament, you guys are reading the Bible through, when you get to Paul's letters, and Jesus does this too, like they will explain the purpose of the dietary laws and the ceremonial laws, as they're called. They were intended to typify the coming Messiah. So they're types, signs, and symbols like Jesus is the Passover. So when the Jews were reading the Passover, that was a symbolic lesson, teaching them that the coming Messiah

will be the Passover land that they feast on. So it's a type. Do you know what I mean about type? Like a foreshadowing and then a fulfillment. The temple is a foreshadowing of fulfillment. Jesus says that the temple was a symbol of his own body in John 2. Tear down this temple and I'll raise in three days. The temple is also a symbol of the church,

the body of the believers that are a living temple, Peter says. So likewise with the ceremonial laws, when you have these restrictions about not eating an unclean animal, versus a, quote, clean animal. When you get to the New Testament, when you read the book of Acts, Paul will say that now that the covenant is fulfilled in Christ's death, all animals are clean.

That pedagogical, a teaching lesson is fulfilled. It's done. It doesn't matter anymore. The foods don't matter. He says what matters is the spiritual principle behind the unclean and clean foods is evil actions versus good actions. Okay. So it's a symbol that symbolize moral good and evil.

Okay, yeah. And it's fulfilled. And so religions like Islam and rabbinic Judaism are trying to keep things that don't have a purpose without that key figure of the Messiah who fulfills the purpose of those things. Because those things, like you said, like you said, is plagiarized. They're taking things out of context. It doesn't make sense in their Bible. Because that religion is only what, about 600 years old? Well, it's in the 600s.

Muhammad pops up and starts saying that he's getting prophetic messages. He also thought he was possessed, too, by the way. There's a hadith which you don't know. Hadiths are like the oral traditions. And Muslims believe that you have to believe Hadiths. Like the strong hadiths, they're just as necessary as the Quran. So it's not just the Quran. A lot of times of Muslims say, oh, you just have to believe the Quran.

You also have to believe all the Hadiths, which is this vast books of traditions. And there's one of them that says that Mohammed was worried because he would fall over and he would start foaming at the mouth. Right? And he was like, I feel like I might. might be possessed and all of his like warlord Arab followers are like, no, you're good, dude. You're good. It's a prophecy. It's a prophecy.

Who is Muhammad? Well, there's a lot of debate about it, but it just seems like he's a crazy Arab warlord. Right. Seriously. Right. Yeah, what I said, I need to clean up what I said earlier. Christ is and Moses have more in common. What I meant by that is, Dick, against gay.

The gay community. I mean, people, yeah, like, if you reduce the, if you reduce the, if you reduce the, if you reduce the religion to just that, then I guess so. Yeah. Because I see like Muslims here, like in Detroit, like there's a big Muslim population up there and just trying to put all those gay books and stuff in front of kids. And they were there and they were totally against that. And then I hear like Tel Aviv, it's like one of the biggest gayest populations in the world.

It's comparable to San Francisco. So that's what I meant by we have more in common, but it goes a lot deeper than that. Well, but keep in mind, too, like, I mean, in Islam you have child brides, you have. have, you know, Aisha being nine, you know? So it's like... That's not present in the Bible. No. There's no child brides. I mean, they try, Muslims try to point to like Deuteronian, but there's nothing about taking children's virginity and Duteron's crazy. Right. Because they said, I came across a lot of people's comments.

He said, me, y'all worship a guy named Muhammad is a pedophile. If you, a lot of the top Muslim apologists, they'll put out videos and say stuff like, oh, well in in in in in Genesis Rebecca was nine when you know she was wedded and it's not true that's from a rabbinic it's from the Talmud I'm serious yeah so they actually don't know the difference between what's in the Talman and what's in Genesis so is there any mention like I see the 10 comments are any mention when a woman is a of legal age to have sex with a man is that anywhere in any scripture anywhere? I think in the history of Christianity and in the history of Christian nations,

usually they've set the age in past times it was a lot lower. Right. It would be post-puberty, right? Right. So conceivably it could be, you know, 11, 12, 13, 14, and most nations operated that way. For a long time. For a long time.

But I don't think there's any instances that I'm aware of of like child brides in Christian history. I've never heard. It's like a new concept that we, 18, normal society, you have to be of a certain age. Well, part of the reason I think for that is that the ethos of Islam

is one born out of slavery. It's an Arab warlord slave religion, and I'm not being facetious. Like, the way that you're viewed under Allah is you're all a slave. So like in Christianity, one of the key elements is that you're a son of God. And Paul says in Galatians 4,

you're not like a slave you're a son so in other words you have the full rights of inheritance which a person that's owned as a slave wouldn't have the full rights of inheritance but in Islam it's not viewed that way Allah is not a father Allah has no sons which is an easy way by the way to prove that

Jesus is not a Muslim because Jesus says that God's his father probably 500 times in the book of John alone right so I bet Muslims would be like you know Isa was a Muslim it's like well then why did he say that Allah or God's his father.

And then they'll say it, text corrupt, text corrupt. Oh, so all 500 references are all corrupt. Yeah, it's all corrupt. Yeah. So they have a double standard, right? When you point out the contradictions, they'll immediately say, well, the text is corrupted. And it's like, but wait a minute, what about the text that you like? Oh, those are not corrupted.

So it's a double standard. So Judaism is they take principles out of the Bible, but they got goar rounds. And then you got the Muslim faith where they just took. things out of context, plagiarism, and things doesn't add up and just doesn't make any sense. And I think another key element is like in Judaism, in rabbinic Judaism, a lot of people don't know this. Like the Bible texts, they're inferior to the rabbinic commentary. So they don't really care about what the biblical texts say. They're only as relevant as they are explained, interpreted and

misinterpreted in the Talmudic literature. So for example, when some of the texts pop up that are a problem text for rabbinic Jews about the Messiah, oh, there's two messias. There's Messiah been Joseph and Messiah and David. And then they'll make fun of

Christians because there's no evidence of the Messiah having two comings. But you believe in two messias? Oh, yeah. So they have a silly way to get around a lot of the textual problems. Like circular reasoning, though, right? It is. And it's admitting, like, open contradictions at times.

Yeah. Like, you made the comparison that, like, Muslims are like, they're like a slave. And is that why that women dress the way they dress? They all covered. And they're like servants to the men, right? It's very much, I mean, in the history, I think of, I'm not a history of slavery, but I have a friend that made a documentary on this. And he went pretty deep into the history of the Christian versus Islamic views of slavery.

the Islamic view is very much openly pro-slavery and it's really only Christianity that originally tried to mitigate slavery in the Roman Empire and then over time eventually tries to get rid of it because if everybody's made the image of God, this doesn't really make sense that you own a person, right? In Africa, is there still Muslims that own African slaves? Oh, yeah, absolutely. Still going on today. Yeah. And I think in Arab places too, like there's still Arab slaves as well. like they own slaves, what I'm saying. Yeah, it still goes on.

I don't know exactly how widespread it is, but as far as I'm aware, it's allowed in Islam. Wow. I put my foot in my mouth earlier. Well, I mean, you're right in the sense of like... The gay stuff. Yeah, like that one, I mean...

But like in the Talmud, they believe in all this gender ideology stuff, right? there are there's weird stuff in the Talmud there's also weird stuff in Kabbalah I don't know if you know about Kabala you look like big Madonna fans you know it's funny

we went back and watched some old Madonna videos from like 2003 and because we we dissect a lot of symbolism in movies in pop culture okay right and we were watching her song for the James Bond movie die another day and it's really weird

like in the video she's sitting in this chair and she's like strapped down and she's being put through mind control like prosto that's really weird like that's in the video right well she starts wrapping the like jewish prayer you know strap around her arm and she gets up and there's like hebrew script like cabalistic hebrew script really so yeah so even like in 2003 she was already like experimented with cobblistic stuff but i don't think she came out as a cabalist until mid-2000s late 2000. She admits that? Yeah?

Yeah, she was the one in the 2000s pushing the L.A. Kabbalah Center with Demi Moore got into it, and then Ashton Kutcher got into it, and probably some other celebrities. I don't remember. But they were intentionally pushing Kabbalah, which is Jewish mysticism. Long story short, Jewish mysticism, particularly, which I would assume there's places in the Talmud as well. The Kabbalistic texts say that, yeah, like the original. creation, Adam. He had both things going on.

What? Yeah. Adam Cadmon was both genders. Transgender, huh? Trans and hermaphrodite and I had it all going on. Yeah. So Adam was a trans. The first.

Or hermaphrodite. Hermaphrodite. Hermaphrodite. Why doesn't it mention that in Christianity? Because the, well, the, the, the, the, Genesis, Tor, say that but you have these Kabbalistic legends and mystical speculations

that take precedence over what's in the text exactly and these are Jewish people that believe this right the medieval Kabbalistic texts argue that the highest

state is to be either non-binary or Adam and both because I mean if you don't have a vagina you're lacking you only know one half of the picture. It's funny, Ben Shapiro, he does reactions to these dumb woke TikToks and it's all these trained, transgenders and non-gender conforming people and he mocks them.

It'd be funny to ask him about the Talmud, right? Yeah, it's like, yeah. This is what you believe in. You know what he's going to say? What? We don't have to believe that. It's an option. It's optional.

It says optional because in that system, it's a dual ethical system, also. Everything's relative. It's relative and also, like, if they're arguing to somebody outside of the system, Muslims believe this too, by the way. They can be deceptive. They don't have to give you the true position. Like a cop interrogate me. A good way to put it, yeah.

What? It says in the town where you can deceive a non-Jew. There's, yeah, there's situations where you can do that. The Quran also says, there's a text early on in the Quran where it says something to the effect of smile on the outside when you're in the minority and then go to war when you're in the majority exactly so no they're not bound to tell you the truth that's crazy yeah in Christianity though you have this assumption that like if we were to go into a debate right like the like I'm going to tell you

my position you're going to be honest but there's an in-group preference and an out group like not preference, right? So, yeah. So like in the Bible says, you shouldn't be a false witness, a bear a false witness. Jews and Muslims don't believe in any of that. Well, they can lie. They'll say that, and then they'll do the Talmudic move. Yeah, well, I don't, yeah, but, you know, Jesus says like your ABA and your Navy nay be nay, right? But, yeah, those are, they're just completely different. they're ethical systems based on a form of tribalism.

And even though Islam claims to be for everybody, just like Judaism, it's actually very ethnic and very tribal because there's a specific section in the Quran early on where it's pretty funny too. I'm not a huge fan of David Wood, but he actually hit me to this. He made a good point in one of his videos about this. He pointed out that if you look early on in the Quran,

Allah actually says at one point the Jews have the Torah and their Talmud or whatever Christians have their gospels The Quran is that For the Arabs That's early on in the Quran

Right okay When he tried to push this And it wasn't very successful Then it becomes All right let's just go to war That's for everybody And they don't have a problem with Allah Like Allah can just change stuff

Because in their view Allah also is the greatest of deceivers in the Quran. If you're the best of everything, you've got to be the best deceiving, right? Because if he wasn't, he wouldn't be the best. I'm not kidding. Like, that's how Islami theology argues. It's all relative to that situation.

That's, that's crazy. Yeah, yeah. Like, they always say Israel is one of our biggest allies. I mean, is there any truth of that? Nope. I mean, I think if a nation was an ally, it would not like hold us hostage with like massive levels of compromise. You know what I mean? Right.

So like Whitney Webb's book, which is great. It's the same publisher as my book, Try and Day, right? She did, volume two was on Epstein and Maxwell. And I mentioned like some of this stuff early on in my first book with like Hollywood cults and sex cults and how that ties into. like compromising people getting them into you know get them to the party you know or kelly's after party that kind of stuff right um let's get into that but i mean i don't i don't think that if they were an ally they would act right that way and they wouldn't be so um intent on so many operatives and so many people you know trying to ensure that there's not even criticism

right i mean let's say epstein was a massad agent well that's what i hear well the first and second chapter of her book go into the significant evidence that she was that he was working for that entity as well as FBI and CIA so he was actually probably working for a lot of people all I once including the United States yep yeah I want to ask a question real quick about Muslims why do they worship that big cube they have an idea that this is somewhat in some way connected to Abraham um Abraham didn't go to mecca he didn't go to Saudi Arabia it's a weird tradition that I think is part of their hadiths and so their tradition um and what I really think is going on is it it's it's like a it's an ancient so mecca used to be like a giant idol place is where

all the Arabs would come to worship all the Arab gods when they were pagans right I believe it's it's a holdover um because they reverence it of the paganism I'm saying So they reverence it, which doesn't really make sense with Islam's iconoclaslam, that you can't have images, you can't reverence created things. That looks like out of Transformers. What's that cube? It's the magic. Yeah, it's...

Grab the cube, boy. Transformers, mount up. Yeah, the cube is here. Muslims mount up. So the faith of Islam and Judaism is like, I mean, maybe I'm jumping to conclusions is diametrically opposed to Christianity. Yes. In my view, again, like, haven't looked at both of them fairly extensively,

they're both antithetical to Christianity because they're both, number one, against the idea that Jesus is the Son of God. That's just fundamentally what Christianity is. If you read 1st John, 2nd, John, 3rd John, he emphasizes that anyone that denies that the Son of God came in the flesh is Antichrist. and all three of those two religions are premised on denying that. Nathaniel Woodwicky. Abu Whitwiki. Mount up.

Yeah. Hey, what do you think about the Vatican and the new pope? Yeah, I'm a huge critic of Roman Catholicism and the papacy. Orthodox Christianity believes that there should be bishops, not Bishop T.D. Jakes and not Bishop, not Bishop Tilda Swinton or whatever his name was.

By the way, I don't think he got the joke that I was calling him Tilda Swinton, just to be silly. And I kept calling him that. And then I don't think he ever got the joke, but the producers got it. Women priests and preachers across the board throughout Christianity. I think even in my denomination, where we do not ordain women, we are behind the times when it comes to recognizing the full humanity, the talents and the gifts of women and what their contributions can be toward men. industry woke. Jay, you don't look very convinced. No, I think Bishop Tilda Swinton is way off there because women were never ordained in the history of the church to the priest or to the bishop.

It's always been forbidden. And again, it's just liberation theology that he's pushing. And then he says he's not personally pushing liberation theology, but actually it is liberation theology. He's already contradicted himself. That is what you said. Literally everything you laid out was liberation theology. What you described as liberation theology was not liberation theology. But I said your definition, your opening statement, your opening statement, he literally said he's the believer in liberation theory. Right. Your opening statement and it's not historical Christian.

I never said, I didn't ascribe to liberation theology. I said your definition, you outlined inclusivity, inclusivity was not what liberation. Okay, but Jay, but Jay, time out, time out, time out of interest, Jay, out of interest, why should there not be women priests? Well, it's not what, Christ laid down.

First Timothy, too, says women should not teach them. Right. And to only have women being in a certain role. It's not that women can't be involved in the church. And you notice his fallacy there. He said that it means that when he said women are not fully human. And if you don't believe in them being in the priesthood, it has nothing to do with their humanity.

It has to do with roles. And women are not made for every role. They're not made to be in men's sports, for example, right? It's the same logic that this guy has in terms of his liberation theology. My name is Talbert Swan. My name is not this guy. You've been dealing with me in a very disrespectful... Mr. Mr. Stilda Swinton.

If I go back... Who's that guy shaking his head with the other guy to your... That gay Anglican dude? Yeah. Yeah, who is? He kept shaking his head whenever you talked. Just some gay Anglican. He wants women to be in his church, too, running everything.

Yeah. But it's... That is specifically, it's explicitly said in the Bible. They don't. The roles of women. They don't care. For them, I think religion is subservient to political agendas. You know what I mean?

Like, it's just a tool of like, right. That's what liberation theology, social gospel. That just makes Christianity in the church like a version of soft power. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. It's relative to your situation. Just liberalism.

You can bend in foot or however you want. Right. Doesn't make sense. Like most of people, people that they're priesthood and people to follow the Lord. It's like most of the stuff they put out to everybody. It's just it's not even in the Bible. Look at the contradicted to the Bible.

Look at the Secret Service. Trump had there was a woman leading Secret Service. Look at women secret service agents. Who wants that as a man? Well, the only reason they failed is because men oppressed them, you see. They would have been successful had the men not been oppressing them the whole time. I'm serving in church leadership. We're girls and we're priests.

Of course we're going to talk about the deeply mystical yet profoundly human power of Christ coming into this world through the body of a consenting woman. Our lady, Mother Mary. Of course we're going to keep doing our job, even though there are trolls in our comments. We're girls and we're priests. Of course we're going to match our earrings and our shoes. It's like all about them. She looks like she just sent it for the potluck after. Yeah.

And I'm proud to be serving in an Episcopal parish. We're girls and we're priests. we're no stranger to holding a baby while preaching, celebrating the Eucharist. It ain't her baby because we know they don't have babies. Yeah, right. Of course, we're going to remind you that there are women in scripture serving in church leadership. No, there's not. No, sister.

Yeah, exactly. LGBT from the book of Syrac, chapter 43. When it comes to marriage, I always thought that was between a man and woman, it was a religious sacrament. When the government passed that law when Obama was in office, I totally get why you say the government should be able to do it, but why are they forcing churches to do it? Social engineering, social control. I mean, you mentioned the papacy earlier.

One reason I'm not a huge fan of the Catholic churches in the 1960s and 70s when they were really pushing during the time of the Cold War to make the Catholic Church a version of American soft power. What they did was they sent. in certain CIA operatives, one of whom was named C.D. Jackson, and he created this idea of the doctrinal warfare program. This is a real thing. You can look at it. It was declassified in 2013. The idea was to make, just with Roman Catholic Church as examples, make it into a form of American neoliberal soft power throughout the world. So they wanted to put politics first. And so in the

documents of Vatican II, you'll find these statements like, oh, Muslims and Christians and Jews, we all worship the same God. And even Hindus worship this. Rotate is the document that was pushed about the CIA because the Rockefellers wanted eventually the Catholic Church to adopt birth control abortion and they thought the best way to do that would be to push these kinds of agendas through operatives like CD Jackson get them on board with fighting the Soviets but now you're under the influence of the CIA during the Cold War that crazy so I think the the papacy even into Francis and with this new guy it's still just a tool of the deep state.

Yeah, when, like, our founding fathers, like, our voting rights, only men with property could vote. And I never, they, I don't think they ever foresaw women being in Congress. It's probably rolling around in a grave. Yeah, because women and men, I mean, I'm not saying women aren't intelligent. It's just we think so different. And women are so emotional when it comes to things.

It's like, empathetic. Yeah, it's the only reason why we have men and women sports. Now we have women pushing like unalabing their children up until the up until birth. It's all because of women. You can't have a society organized around feelings and equality. It's not possible because any organization if it's going to run has to have some kind of authority and hierarchy in it. You can have a tyranny, which is the excess of that, right? But in terms of like airsofts philosophy, like just the golden mean you got to have a balanced authority and leadership in place and some notion of boundaries and standards and virtue in place for anything to function whether it's a family

a business a government a school um a corporation and i don't think that in terms of biology and nature just go watch the debate that i did with a goofess girl for the last two days and see if you think she's a rational person who could lead something and organize something and run a business. It's not going to work. And that's who's pushing feminism is people like that who have no control of their emotions, no self-control. And then when you let those people in authority, comparing the nation state of Israel to the history of feminism is a false analogy.

What was I comparing? You asked for a definition that was not connected to history. And then, by the way, you said that history is bound up with a definition. So I asked you to define Israel. if you could define Israel without going without going to the history. And you said, yeah, I could. No, I didn't. Yes. I said that you could define Israel. No, I didn't. I said, before you just stop giving me all of the history and just get me a definition.

So we can move the fuck on. That there is a definition of divorce from history and you just admitted that you So there's you don't have the brain capacity to define something without a five minute monologue about the history. You just admitted you said define Israel. Are you going to go back to three thousand years to define it? Yes, because it's a ancient historical nation. So you can't define. Israel without giving me a 10 minutes. I know what a false analogy is.

So she's like define something without the history. You're like, being a desperate. And I'm like, feminism is a historical movement. How am I going to do that? And then she goes, can you define Israel without history? And I'm like, no, it's a historical country. What do you mean? Yeah.

It's just crazy. Yeah. God. How do I get this win? I asked for you just, you're so desperate. You're so desperate. She starts making like dong. You're like, God.

How do you mean? What are you? What the hell? is it she's like she's like you don't have self-control i'm like you're making are you like don't control what are you're talking about what's going so desperate you're like god how do i get this win it would actually be pretty good at it though that's all the that's like only person we could find that would defend feminism in a debate so it was actually hard to find

somebody right right yeah so here's the pushers of feminism right i mean um but to your to the main point like with that uh tilda wouldn't dude if just because people have different roles doesn't mean you're a lesser human right that's something the left that's the argument they try to make that's the left that's try to convince people that just because you have a different role you're somehow you know dehumanized and degraded but to have a child to be a mom there's nothing degrading about that right it is human it's not dehumanizing it's crazy right yeah they do a lot more dehumanizing them of themselves especially when it comes to the unborn child and the things

push yeah well all the feminists also want like total sexual freedom right which is degrading because they say it's liberating exactly yeah which is crazy being a whore is liberating if you want it to be that's what's what they were saying like so we we were on there for seven hours yesterday so right or two days ago oh that's got to be exhausted oh it was hell dude it was torture right right right it was felt like some kind of ritual hazing like I was being I'm inducted into some kind of like a secret society or like a frat or something. Right. Like the liberals, the left, they want equality.

But inequality is found naturally in everything. Yes. I mean, in the NBA, you got LeBron James. Then you got the guy nobody's ever heard of. You find inequality everywhere. And they just want to have this utopia where everybody's equal and that's not possible. Just like a Dr. Seuss book. Yeah.

Imagine we just got faux noodles. It's like a four-foot Vietnamese woman. Right. Does she have a right to be in there with LeBron or with Kobe? You know what I mean? Right. Imagine her trying to play like NBA, you know what I mean? Yeah.

Yeah. But it's just, it's just insane. I think that what that evidence is is divorce, like being divorced from reality. You know what I mean? And so it creates a double, like a dissociation. They're like dissociated, yeah, cut off from reality. And that's why they start going crazy. Yeah.

And they'll say, like, if you read Orwell in 1984, when he talked about double, think it was the ability to hold within like a few sentences a contradiction at the same time in your head so the last two debates i did with women i did them on purpose just for fun both of them said yeah you can believe contradictory things at the same time and i was like the last one i was like did you read orwell yes of course i read it and she actually thought it was a good thing she thought that like being able to hold a contradiction in your head was like girl power and no you're missing that's not what it means

it's not a good thing it's a bad thing right right right hypocrite yeah right so you wrote the books esoteric Hollywood

one and two let's see I dig into those books sure if you had to pick one saying that makes you cringe in Hollywood is in a movie what would be uh

the way that they're remaking old movies like 80s movies hit movies from the 70s 80s um and then like putting all the trans and the you know like changing up the characters and changing like deleting scenes we were watching some episodes of it's always sunny Philadelphia which is really funny comedy show

and I didn't realize this like so we were watching on Netflix right back in the time back when it was on I watched I watched up to maybe season four and that was as late as like 2010 you could still make any kind of joke in a network show up to 20 10 now when you go through the Netflix like there's like episodes that are deleted because they contain jokes that are no longer yeah like trans jokes race jokes yeah so you can't watch the episodes I had to go find like you know illegal illegal Russian you know like streaming sites where you can watch the exact I want to watch the episode it's not on here yeah they haven't got to the sopranos yet that's true because yeah did you see season one with the Jewish guy when he's yeah yeah yeah he's like he's like

You know, he's like, you're the gollum. You're the gollum. Yeah, yeah. What are the Romans? What are the Romans doing? You're the gallum. You're looking at them, asshole. Right, right.

So in, they just haven't got to it yet, though. They will. Sorry. Yeah, they'll get to it. Oh, man, that's going to be horrible. Yeah, they're going to screw it. So Allah in the Muslim text, that just means God. It's just a term.

for God. So like if you go to Orthodox Christian church in the Middle East, yeah, like in Florida we have Antiochian Orthodox churches, which they do the liturgy in Arabic, and they'll call God Allah. So it's not the same reference. It's the same word, but a different referent. But I think you could make a good argument that the Allah that they worship, well, he steals land. He tells you. to kill yeah he's the best of deceivers lying stealing thief so it's jesus said something about like the devil was a liar a thief like murderer from the beginning so i think that's who i lie is yeah yeah i heard a couple people said we pray to the same god i was like i don't think so it's called a word

concept fallacy where it's like just because it's the same word like an easy example let's say i'm talking to a satanist like a hardcore he believes the devil is the true god right and he says i believe in one God and I say well I believe in one God oh well that's the same God that's actually in logic it's a fallacy and the fallacy is that it's it's the same word but two different reference so what he means by one God is Satan

a Scientologist could say well I believe there's one God but they think it's just like their mind right so it's the same word but different references so no it's not the same kind of like what Democrats do with gender and stuff exactly play word games to play on words Yep.

Yeah. Did Jesus have sex? No, we believe he was always a virgin. Right. He never had kids or anything like that. No. The Mormons think you did. The who?

Mormons, yeah. Why do you think? They think he got married and had like a bloodline. Da Vinci Code and Mormons share that. It's an older Gnostic tradition from the early, in the early period of the church, there was this heretical group called the Gnostics. More mysticism, right? And they believe that Jesus had children and offspring.

and because Joseph Smith, I don't mean to get off into Mormonism, but he was influenced by Gnostic stuff. And so he came up with this mythology of Jesus heaven children. Hey, I would ask you, God, what does God look like? I mean, Jesus, Jesus.

Well, in the Orthodox church, we think that he looks like Orthodox icons. Like, we think he actually has, like, that look. And so pretty much across most Orthodox iconography, which is, you know what icons are? like the 2D images that Orthodox churches have. You see a pretty unanimous presentation of what Jesus looks like throughout Orthodox icons. So we think it looks like that.

We think our tradition has accurately captured his look. Right. As a Hebrew dude. Yeah, it's like that whole area of the world, like Jordan, Lebanon, Israel today. Exactly. Yeah. So those are Orthodox icons. They're usually pretty synonymous with the way Jesus is presented.

because we have pretty strict rules in Orthodox Church about how you can do icons. You can't just like, like Roman Catholics are like they'll do like Chinese Jesus, black Jesus. Right. Right. We think that Jesus has to be presented as Hebrew in terms of the lineage that he had. So he's not a white dude. He's not an Asian dude.

He's not a black dude. He's Hebrew dude. He's definitely a black dude. So he's like Arabic. Look. He's Hebrew. Yeah. I mean and you know there's there's different types of skin colors of Hebrew but right for us that he has to be that to fulfill the prophecies of his lineage so he's got to be a descendant of Adam and Abraham

the Senate of David right so he he can't be a black dude can be an Asian dude I mean I just know about his character he's not like in the Mormon like the Morpents um now I remember as a little kid me and kev was playing outside and these woman kids came to our house on bikes had that white shirts and black ties if i remember correctly and they went in my mama's house because whenever you want to talk about god jesus my mom would let you in the house right she's very religious so me my brother's outside playing and then i heard my mama cuss get the fuck out of my house you motherfucker you're racist son of bitches my mom's what you damn racist. And I said, what happened, Mama? You said, they said, I'm a descendant of cane. Yeah.

And that's why my skin is brown. I'm cursed. So Mormons believe in, Mormons believe in the preexistence of souls that you weren't created at your conception. You existed before. Okay. And so the reason that you have black skin is because you send in your previous life. It's crazy.

Oh, really? They believe that black people are the ones that followed Lucifer in rebellion and so the curse was to be born as black. That's crazy. That's crazy. Yeah, no, that's a there's a great documentary that's pretty, it's pretty well, and it's called the Godmakers.

It's on YouTube. It's been around forever. If you watch it, it's like a cartoon presentation of Mormon theology. It's like He-Man, dude. I grew up watching He-Man. It's just like that. The theology, yes, the theology of Mormonism is Shira and He-Man. I'm not joking. if it was like racist yeah right

yeah it sounds kind of believable though you can I scroll through my feet I'm gonna accidentally convert the Hodgwick to Mormonism I'm not even Mormon I was like I'd be looking at my people I was a man we'd be wilder

especially the woman I was like man what is wrong with us yeah I mean maybe it's how I'll grow up because we like like the video I mean but your Instagram you have Instagram Facebook yeah do do videos pop up of black women just being loud and fighting in public

in your feet? They do a little bit. What if you do? Do not like it? Don't watch it. No. Or you could get bombarded. That's all you get. Yeah, I remember looking up something. I was trying to find a video of a, shall we say, a retorted person. Now all my feet is nothing but Down syndrome, crazy. So anything you put in, like you get infinite. By the

way, that's it. That's it. It's funny. You guys got to watch this. Like us. They say that long ago on one of these planets. to an unadadamidebide God and one of his goddess wives, a spirit child. They believe God was a man who became God and then had a bunch of wives and a bunch of kids. Really?

That's Mormon. That's Mormon. Through obedience to Mormon teaching and death and resurrection, he proved himself worse. That's he meant Jesus. Blonde hair, blue, uh, he meant, he meant, Jesus. Wait for skeletal to pop out of. Evil in, right? Who's evil in?

Yeah. Near a mysterious star called Kola. Oh, yeah, they believe in a sci-fi theory. God the father is, God the fathers from the planet Klob. Produced billions of spirit children. Everybody's got blown her. No, that's because, yeah, they were Aryan, they had this Aryan idea. And there's a council of the gods.

Oh, I see. By the way, did you notice that they had spirit babies and she, was changing diapers. If you have a spirit baby, how are you changing a diaper? Spirit shit, exactly. Wow. So that's...

This is like an Aryan. It is. That's why he came on with the... He blended all kinds of weird ideas into his... It's great, yeah. Mysticism. It's science fiction, too, like, you know,

like... Scientology. Exactly before any of that. From evil. Mm, so I'm talking about Lucifer stood and made his bid For becoming savior of this new world This is where the black people come from

When they rebel and go with Satan Oh wow Yes Opposing the idea The Mormon Jesus suggested In this mythology Freedom of choice As on other planets

The vote that followed Approved the proposal of the Mormon Jesus Who would become savior They just raise her hand He's crazy. Lucifer cunningly convinced one third of the spirits destined for Earth to fight with him and revolt. Thus, Lucifer became the devil and his followers, the demons. Sent to this world, they would forever be denied bodies of flesh and bone.

Those who remain neutral in the battle were cursed to be born with black skin. Wow. I'm sorry, y'all was neutral. I thought, I thought, I thought, I thought, man, he made him in a n-uhus. Dude, I think I'm a Mormon. I'm blacking this one, like you. I'm misunderstood.

I thought you were on the bad thing. You were just neutral, which is a pretty stiff possible. As the book of Mormon describes them. You're neutral as I want to curse you. Wow, just crazy. And one of his goddess wives came to Earth as Adam and Eve to start the human race. Thousands of years later,

Elohim in human form once again, journeyed to planet Earth from star base Kolov. That's crazy. They came from another planet, but they ain't got no cell phones or nothing. You got all this technology. They just floated here. One of the Mormon apostles taught that after Jesus Christ rude a manhood, he took at least three wives.

That's what I'm talking about. Martha and Mary Magdalene. They all fine, too. How long is this? It's an actual full document. documentary but this is like the six-minute clip of yeah according to the book of Mormon after his resurrection Jesus came to the Americas to preach to the Indians yeah yeah they think the Indians are the lost tribes of Israel Jesus of Mormonism yeah established his church in the

Americas as he had in Palestine oh Palestine so that if you know how the Hebrew Israelites like the black people think that the Hebrew is yeah yeah the right the the the Native Americans, if they became Mormon, they'd be like, no, we're the real Hebrew's, right? They think there were Roman soldiers in America, too, by the way. It just gets crazy. It just gets, yeah, it gets crazy and crazy. By the year 421 AD, the dark-skinned Indian Israelites, known as Lamanites,

had destroyed all of the white Nephites in a number of great battles. The Nephites' records were supposedly written on golden plates and buried by Moronai, the last living Nephite and the hill, Amora. Fourteen hundred years later, a young treasure seeker named Joseph Smith, who was known for his tall tales, claimed to have uncovered these same gold plates near his home in upstate New York. He is now honored by Mormons as a prophet because he claimed to have had visions from the

What do you think about that? That's crazy. Y'all going to be Mormons now, right? Yeah. I'm liking this moment stuff. You know what's funny is that they won't tell you. They won't tell you any of this stuff until after a little while. Really?

And they'll admit it eventually, right? And I've had a bunch of Mormons come on and debate me on my channel. And they'll be like, well, okay, yeah, we believe that. But they don't want to tell you that at first. The guys that come to your mom's door, like, they're not going to talk about COLAB. I'm here from COLAB. Yeah. Which millions today believe to be true.

By maintaining a rig. Yep, that's how he came. Yep. Moral requirements and through performing. secret temple rituals with themselves and the dead. The Latter-day Saints hope to prove their worthiness.

Latter-day Saints is Mormon. The Mormons teach that everyone must stand at the final judgment before Joseph Smith. Well, again, they think God the Father was once a dude who became a God and then had a bunch of spirit babies.

Those Mormons who were sealed in the eternal marriage ceremony expect to become polygamous gods in the celestial kingdom, rule over other planets, and spawn new families throughout eternity. To blondes. The Mormons

Yeah, it's like Eminem, like you got a dye your hair. He'd have done more for us than any other man, including Jesus Christ. The Mormons believe that he died as a martyr. Shed his blood for us so that we too

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Who do you think the endocris is going to be? In the Orthodox Church, we have a lot of saints, elders, church fathers who have opined that he would have to be of some kind of Jewish descent or lineage. or else the Jews wouldn't believe him to be their Messiah. So, you know, in John, I think it's John 5, Jesus says, I come in my father's name and you don't accept me, but if another comes in his own name, him you will accept. And a lot of people have thought that that's a reference to the Antichrist. So I would say that if you look at that and what Paul says in Thessalonians,

that Antichrist will stand up in the temple and claim to be God and so forth. There's got to be another temple. There have to be... Yeah, my son sent me a video. I didn't watch it. And it was his, I don't, it looked like, he was definitely Jewish, but he said this guy, I think he's the Antichrist. I never watched a video. And I don't know how to choose it was, but it's a, I wish I to watch it, but they said that the Antichrist is already here.

Yeah, the same is already a modern Antichrist. What's his name? Oh, you're talking about that Madi guy? I think, yeah, I think that's him. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I haven't watched any of it, though. Yeah. I don't know what's going on.

So I was just on Ruzlan's channel a few days ago, and we did a whole hour on this dude. Yeah. He's some kind of weird sect of Islam. He was a Shia, Iranian Shia Muslim. And then he decided that he's his own branch, kind of created his own new religion, called it like the religion of peace and happiness for some gay title like that or something really lame. But then he says, no, I'm the Mahdi, which is the, uh, sort of like a pre-end times prophetic figure for Muslims. So he's the Mahdi, who they believe will fight Antichrist.

Muslims believe that, right? I don't think he's the Antichrist. But like John says in First John, I mean, anybody who denies that the son of God is the son of God is of the spirit of Antichrist. Some guy who's been leading a cult for many years at this point, who calls himself Abdullah Hashem Abba al-Sadik, has people asking all over social media if this man is the Antichrist. I am Abdullah, the successor of Imam al-Mahdi-Alai, the successor of the comforter Ahmed,

the successor of Simon Peter, the successor of Muhammad, the successor of Jesus Christ. I am the true and legitimate pope. I am the proof upon the Christians. I am the son of the Muslims through my father and the son of the Christians and the Jews through my mother. I am the son of the east through my father and the son of the west through my mother.

I am like Sul Karnain, who with one horn in the east and one in the west, and I am the inheritor of all that lies between. I am more knowledgeable than any false pope, and I am appointed by name and the will of the prophets. My name is also on the tongue of Isaiah, who prophesied of the righteous servant, and he said, he will see his offspring and prolong his days, and the will of the Lord will prosper in his hands. So is he the Antichrist? No. I'm pretty sure he's not. I think he's just a kind of an odd, syncretic Muslim.

Elon Musk has a greater likelihood of being the Antichrist. I'm not saying Elon is the Antichrist. I also don't think that. But I'm just saying it would be much more a person like Elon Musk than like this random, eccentric Muslim guy. Yeah, a lot of people. he said Elon Musk is the antichrist. Him and Trump. Well, he's got a chip that he can...

What do you put in? He was paralyzed and he could actually type with it and everything. That was like, that's super crazy. I mean, I think there will be a final antichrist. I don't know who that'll be or when that'll be. But, again, in the Orthodox tradition, like, we believe that Paul's talking about, you know, a future rebuilt temple, whenever that is.

And that that would be one of the signs. and then when some figure arises that people start to think really is God, that would be him. I don't think either Trump or Elon could fit that bill for like showing up in a temple and, you know, it just doesn't. Hey, what did you think about Trump when you are? It's going to be the best temple, probably the third temple, but it's going to be the best temple. I don't know. What do you guys think?

Probably come out, come out like and come to the temple. He does a good, we were doing, we were trading Trump impressions for you all got here. Right, right. Probably the best Might be Antigraish, but it's still great. Hey, what do you think about Trump's AI image of him as the Pope? I thought it was funny.

Yeah. You think he'd get some serious trouble if he was a rabbi? If he did that. Oh, that's a good question. Yeah. I think Christians would like, oh, that's funny. But I think of a rabbi, I think you just put a mark on yourself. Yeah, I mean, Trump is just such a wild card, dude.

Like you think, oh, we got him pegged as this. And then he's like, I don't know about this, Netanyahu. He's getting on my nerve. It's like he'll flip the script, right? Right. I mean, I have criticism with Trump, but I think that overall, I appreciate most of what he does. I appreciate the flip in the script. You know, I have problems with the whole warp speed.

I criticize that. Yeah. I mean, there have been some big mistakes, but also if anything, he kind of cleared the way, you know, with like years of talking about fake news. from 2016 on. Now people believe them. To allow people to talk about things that you couldn't talk about back then. Yeah. And so at least for that, I appreciate it.

But yeah, I just figure it. I love what he's doing in terms of economics, Bitcoin, all that stuff. I like what he's been saying more recently in regard to Israel, not Nathieu, but definitely there's been, there's some kind of internal struggle going on. I don't know exactly what's going on. Do you, would you label that what's going on in, the Gaza strip and the Palestinians. Would you call that a genocide or ethnic cleansing?

Well, I think early on Netanyahu himself referenced Amalek, which is what I was getting at earlier, where he was saying that we have a duty, and he cited, I think Isaiah or Ezekiel, I forget what the text he cited, but early on he said, we have a duty to get rid of Amalek. And then again, if you look at what that is,

it's basically anyone that criticizes nation state of Israel. So that could beat me in my brother. Anybody, all of us. Right. And I think in strict rabbinic Judaism, they believe that they have a duty to enforce the noahide laws eventually. Most of them think that when the Messiah comes, the Messiah will enforce

the Noahide laws and the Gentiles. And then the Jews get to basically be, you know, the pimps of the world. Well, a lot of people... Yeah, that's it. That's it. Right there. Yeah, a lot of people joke about it. When I see Jews talking about this, it's like, no, we don't run everything. And I was like, I've made this determination.

If you can become president of the United States without being backed by Israel or A-PAC, then you don't run anything. Right. But to be a president in the United States of America, you have to have that backing. Without it, you can't become president. Most of the time, you can't become an elected official in this country. In terms of the money, yeah. Like it seems like the money control, the compromise, you know, these operations of what we've seen with Epstein. all that like to get to a certain level of at least government power that seems to be the case.

Yeah, 95% of all elected officials in this country were backed by Israel. Yeah, ABAP. Without that money, you don't get elected. But that's 90% of Congress. Yeah. That's nuts. Yeah. So I think in terms of like the last, say, 30, 40 years for government positions, that's got to be the case.

Yeah. Right. It's like Iran paying for 95% of our politicians. That wouldn't make any sense. But Israel wouldn't make sense. Well, and you'll notice that you can oftentimes talk about Chinese compromise of people in government. Right, right, right. And we're supposed to believe.

Qatar is the new one. We're supposed to believe that like, you know, Russia, who's this failed state, right, that's collapsing and they can't do anything. But they also secretly got Trump in and they run and everything. And it doesn't make any sense. But, yeah, it's like, first of all, you. Every nation state, I'm not trying to cover up for espionage, but every nation state does espionage and tries to interject agents and get these operations going. It's just what happens. Not saying it's good, it's just what happens. But when it's certain nation states in America through influence in the media and all that, like it's, you can't talk about it. I mean, Stravsky says that in his book. He said in 1990 that when he published his book, any publisher that would talk about his book would get shut down and called anti-Semitic in 1990. when he himself wrote the book. Yeah.

If anyone reviewed the book, they were called anti-Semitic. Isn't that crazy? Yeah. In 1990, yeah. They do have a lot of power and influence of our government and our people. I mean, a lot of people that have been banned to be on internet, have a bank account, just because they criticize Israel. Well, let me ask you guys.

I'm curious, because you guys come out of a background of you guys are big Trump supporters, right? Yeah, yeah. I'm not saying you're not, but. What got you on that topic specifically? Oh, being conservative? Republic? No, like criticizing Israel. Yeah, but just saying what's going on in Palestine.

I was looking at Alex Jones, and he had Kanye on. And Kanye, he was saying some crazy stuff, you know? I thought it was crazy at the time. But, and then, and, you know, it was trending in my algorithm, and I kept seeing these people come up, free Palestine, free Palestine, free Palestine, why do these people keep saying it in the Palestine flag? And I started doing research and I found a Jewish lady who lived in Palestine. She said, that's an old video of 1950.

Yeah, 1940. She said, all our passports said Palestine. So I started digging deeper and deeper and deeper and I had other people come on and I listen to other people. I was like, and I see the drone footage of Gaza and the West Bank. And I was like, man, this is nuts. And then just lately, Katna shared some tweets of a politician who's running for office. I think he's backed by front where he showed. was a dead baby and he's mocking the dead

Palestinian baby. So, yeah. So I just... Oh, I remember that. Yeah. So I started just going down to Rabidot because I was curious. I was like, because I was the biggest fan of Israel. I still am a fan of, you know, the Jewish people have in their own country,

but the way they're going about it is just, I think it's wrong. It's weird. It's weird to do those, like, the way they went about this in terms of living in the internet era, it's just odd optics that they thought that the world would be like, yeah, sure. Right. You've seen that drone footage?

It's just like every building where the Palestinians live is like been bombed. I'm like, and they keep saying they're using their children and their families as human shields. I was like, I still to this day haven't seen not one Hamas soldier. I haven't seen any of these things that they speak of. And I just started, you know, digging, dig and digging on. It's just everything that comes out of that is just, especially when I even criticize them, they label me as anti-Samanicals. I don't hate Jewish people.

I don't like what that government's in the way. That is crazy. So they're bombing those areas because Hamas is there. Supposedly. We could just say Hamas is anywhere. Yeah. Yeah, it's like a cop saying, oh, I thought he had a gun. Yeah.

How is he's going to? We have terrorists in our country. We don't bomb civilians and kill civilians. If Trump started bombing gang members, they started killing innocent civilians, he would be impeached. Why is he getting away with stuff like this in his own country? Yeah. Yeah.

And those supposedly are your citizens. Well, I suppose have a debate with a guy who was defending this position and this stuff. And he was like, you have a moral duty to do this when Israel's in trouble. And the people are like, well, do we have a moral duty to do that to then everybody in trouble? Right. So we should be literally just bombing everyone anywhere when someone's in trouble. It's like this weird mental gymnastics to make all this stuff work. Yeah.

I mean, you have the right to go seek out terrorists in your country. Yeah, but you just don't bomb people's houses because you think there's a terrorist. And you go in and you arrest them like normal sane societies do. Get a sex warrant. Yeah, get a damn six warrant. Have a war for your arrest. We don't bomb illegal aliens in our country. You just don't make sense.

And it was weird, too, that was happening under the Obama administration too. Remember back when Obama, like 2012-ish? and Obama's getting a lot of flag because they were just drone bombing weddings because, oh, there might be a terrorist. We got to bomb them. We got to take them out. My wife, Michael, says I got to bomb him, take him out.

You know what I mean? Yeah. There might be a terrorist there. Yeah. We came out and was like, when we started finding all this information, we shared it with our fans. They blew up.

They were pissed. They were mad. Yeah, it's like, you guys are like, oh, so anti-Semitic. They would say this. Hold on. I thought you were Christian. Yeah.

Okay, so every time I hear this, it just, maybe it's the spur in me, it bugs me because like to be a Semite, to be a Shem, the Senate of Shem, doesn't that also include Arab peoples? Right, yes. It's just so stupid. Semitic people are Muslims. It's like they hijack that term to only fit their agenda. Like the word Israel, right? So I feel like I'm not crazy anymore.

Somebody agrees with me. Yeah. But Republicans don't. Well, I think a lot of them. of Republicans to start to open eyes up to it though yeah and a lot of Republicans were also indoctrinated through a lot of this evangelical deception church Schofield stuff where they were they were taught I was raised Baptist so like I was raised thinking all that end times John Hagey stuff is what the Bible's talking about and then I read Galation 6 Paul says the church is the Israel God not the flesh

in the state of Israel and then you read Galatians 3 and 4 and he says that the only way to be a son of Abraham is to be in Christ. That's the only seed. Right. There's no other seed. There's no being a seed of Abraham that counts, right? Genetically for salvation. So all the Jews and Muslims, they go into hell. Well, to be a seed, right? The promise, Paul's arguing in Galatians 3 and 4 that the promises to Abraham, because remember Abraham's a Gentile. A lot of people forget that, right? He's the first of the Jews, but he's a Gentile convert, even in Judaism. And Paul's arguing that in Genesis 12, 15, 17, and 22, all those key chapters when God's, you know, interacting in this covenant relationship with Abraham,

that the covenant has always been in Jesus Christ, even back then, because the seed that's promised in those chapters is Jesus. Jesus is the seed. That's Paul's argument in Galatians 3 and 4. And if that's true, we're all Jews. spiritual Jews are Christians Yeah You are all in Christ and you are the seed in that chapter Glacius 3 yeah So do you think Trump is starting to distance them

Himself from Netanyahu? I mean yeah whether it's political Or whether they really just don't get along Or you know because there's been these stories that He kind of stabbed Trump in the back a few times In the last several years and he's you know They won't pick up the phone So I don't know what's

There was some drama about that like a year or two ago So I think that eventually Look when a people group is so Bullidgerent and acts like a cult And I think rabbinic Judaism is a cult It's kind of like any other cult I mean if you're like putting string up So you can walk outside to get around the Sabbath

Right That's like a cult they is weird Yeah so They make up their own rules Yeah I think eventually it's gonna sour It's self You know what I mean? So I think that probably it was a matter of time before these relationships, these friendly relationships, sour because, I mean, they just, they do blackmail on everybody.

Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Do you ever see how Jews like try to kosherize their kitchen and they use a flame thrower to like burn all those? Right. So we begin by cautioning the floor.

That was just a joke. But why are we running a flame throughout a kitchen that is our already kosher because for the holiday of Passover, Pasach we refrain from eating chammats any food that is leavened. And for that matter, any surfaces that came in contact with such foods must be koshered by flame,

especially if it was hot food. The light switch. There's one for a toilet too because you can't work on the Sabbath which flush in the toilet. So there's a thing that you push a button and it doesn't actually flush itself. It just lets the flush happen. Right. So there's a market that's that like the orthodox

acidic community has a product. that allow you to not violate the Sabbath. I'm serious. It's like its own little market. Isn't that funny? Yeah, that's the, okay, this is two and that's one. Yeah, and part three is about to come out. And in these books, you speak of symbolism.

It's in a lot of movies that we don't even catch on to. Yeah, that's exactly. That's kind of what, so when I was doing grad work, I was focusing on how movies use symbolism for propaganda, and particularly. during the Cold War, Western intelligence used figures like James Bond to project Western ideas through film and through TV and symbolism. So like in that first book,

I covered not just Bond, but like how Kubrick was telling us stuff with like Epstein-style stuff in terms of eyes-wise shut. Because if you remember, they're trying to kind of rope Tom Cruise in that movie into like a sex cult. And they're trying to control him.

And I've argued that like, whether or not you think Kubrick was a hero or not, like I think he was kind of explaining the way the world really works in movies like Eyes Wide Shot because it's exactly what you see in like, you know, Epstein's style stuff.

So there's a lot of these kind of hidden gems even in old movies that people forgotten that I think are worth decoding in terms of symbolism. Right. So Hollywood movies are filled with a bunch of propaganda. So who runs Hollywood? The Qataris.

Chinese Qataris. Right. Well, you know I think You know You know there was a time when I think back in early Hollywood There was one studio

That wasn't Jewish control to run I think it was RKO And then that kind of went away In the 40s or 50s So I think all of the studios The studio system was totally run Controlled absolutely

In fact there's a book That Jews wrote about it called Empire of Their Own about Hollywood being Jewish Empire. So they run all the Hollywood. Well, I mean, the studios. So, like, you could still have people like independent filmmakers that make popular movies that get out. But I think for a lot of the studio system, and that doesn't mean every movie is controlled or every position is, because there's been a lot of good movies and even wholesome movies over the years. But as an entity in toto, the last hundred years of the studio.

system like Edward Bernays in his book propaganda he said Hollywood is the greatest propaganda engine the world's ever seen and when I read that in Bernays's book I was like I should write a book on like movies as propaganda you know what I mean so I took a lot of my grad work and just kind of put it into that but that one and then that one's organized a little more thematically so this one is directors like Kubrick and Spielberg and Hitchcock and that one is organized more like themes of like what's Hollywood's connection organized crime. How do movies portray

organized crime and how is it real? What about CIA? What about intelligence agencies and their relationship to Hollywood? And then the third one's coming out and that was a lot of movies that I didn't get to in those two. So like Marvel stuff.

Because Marvel has a lot of feminist propaganda, a lot of like gender propaganda. Yeah, right, right. So I dissect all that. How about these musicians like Lady Gaga and forget the other's name? They always throwing up symbols and live it looks satanic.

Yeah. Why do you think they practice that on stage? I think they're doing rituals, right? They think that they're invoking, you know, maybe not everybody. But some of them actually believe. Like, I think Jay-Z, he got into Alistair-Crowly and Satanism by his own admission. And I think he's fairly serious about it. He might be, he might even be Beyonce's handler.

You know what I mean? I don't know. But Beyonce said a lot of really weird stuff about, you know, her relationship to Jay-Z. their views of like of the occult and witchcraft so i think that some of these pop stars and these and these people the moguls are also into real state real satanic stuff for sure my wife by the way she wrote a book on um the pop star side of it like she's got two books at my website too you can get her books um i i focus on the movies and then she wrote on the pop stars so i think the pop stars are there as like ways to degrade the culture and to you know be an archetype that young girls look up to

I want to be like Katie Perry and that means I've got to go be a whore basically. Right. I'm serious. Like it's a way to degrade the culture through these archetypal symbols. Yeah. Yeah.

But it's actually a bunch of gay dudes. Right. Right. I mean, and then it's similar with like the pop stars or it's like they're basically just products that are created. I'm not saying they don't have any talent. But I saw a video of him before he was real famous. He was very feminine.

And that's like, this is. guy comes off like a homosexual. Yeah, sassy. He got a little sass. Yeah. And then he became this big time Thug. Thug.

Rapper. Tough guy. Yeah. There was even a, somebody did an album. I want to say it was like Biggie or somebody. Yeah, yeah. Biggie Small.

They had an album with him, with Tupac on the back wearing a dress because really? Yeah. People were arguing that they were saying a long time ago, like, he's not really what he pretends, you know, portraying himself. Biggie was banging Tupac?

Well, no, no. on. No, he just had a man in a dress. Well, why are you going to put a man in a dress unless you're going to bang him? Well, he put it on the album like a disc, I think. Yeah. Oh, I see.

I said it's small nigo brain of yours. Well, in one of Biggie Small's rap videos, he actually had a transgender. Yeah. Remember that? I didn't know that. Can you pull it up, Joe?

Yeah, Big Papa. He actually had a transgender in a men's bathroom with a bunch of guys and they were freaking out. Yeah. This was back in the 90s. Mm-hmm. Just like taking a piss of the journal.

Yeah. Well, speaking of the 90s, like that trend stuff, Mm-hmm. I think a lot of that stuff is cultural engineering. Like, they plan to roll that stuff out, and they'll have certain pop figures do it early to roll it out. So you had, like, RuPaul, you know, 20, 30 years ago. Right, right.

And then we were watching a stupid Van Dam movie that I'd never seen. Remember Double Team? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, in Double Team, Dennis Rodman is all right. Right, right. He's got a trainee club. Mm-hmm. Really? Yeah, in the movie.

Isn't that crazy? Well, he used to dress in drag. He would wear wedding dresses. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. When he married Madonna, he wore a wedding dress. So you think that's social engineering? Yeah. Yeah.

Like way ahead of time. Like getting people used to it, prepared for it, right? So they're not immediately. So you have like these cultural... Yeah, that's like that guy. I didn't even know that. Mm-hmm. You have these figures that kind of...

go over the edge early to get a to make a scene. Right. And then that just allows the window to be open to move the Overton window over time. Yeah. It's a technique. What Trump's doing with his executive boys about men and women's sports, do you think that's going to be a temporary thing? Because let's say, Democrat, you know, gang power game.

They could just reverse everything he's done. Yeah. Yeah, it's possible. But I also think that. like a lot of the public's perception and attitude on a lot of this stuff is shifting because people are like they went really far with that stuff yeah right right and so I think there's a reaction against it's gonna be hard if they do that right right but they may it's gonna be difficult yeah they've never underestimate the stupid of a woman

or a Democrat they keep doubling down it's like they're still saying the same things that got that caused them lose this last election and they're they're sticking with it so yeah they don't move at all yeah with the cultural talk which is going to make it more and more difficult. Yeah. What do you think about this diddy trial? I've been arguing for that. We've done a bunch of podcasts on this the last year.

I think he gets pissed off the wrong Jew or something. I mean, it looks like he was possibly, when he got investigated by the feds, I mean, if you remember this, like in the early 2000s. Right. He might have gotten brought in as some kind of informant back then. And so now maybe he's getting burned. I think I agree with you. like he made somebody mad so he's going to be the patsy i don't think he was running everything but i don't

think epstein was running yeah i think jeslaine and her dad were the real like mogul figures he trained his daughter to do all that stuff and then he was just working for him yeah having fun i guess yeah and so i think probably did he was working for people um he pissed off the wrong person um but i think he was still complicit yeah yeah he was running like a smaller version of epstein probably Yeah, yeah, yeah. What about Bill Cosby? That's a tough one because, I mean, I've heard people argue that he might not have been as bad as people say. I'm not trying to excuse if you did drug women. Right, right.

I wonder, too, if, like, I mean, they were people are, so the side that's pro Bill Cosby argues that he was helping black culture by being this figure. who i'm so i'm well not by drug and it doesn't surprise me not by drury let people worship murderers now okay but but like their their side is because he was going around and being a positive influence because he was giving these lectures on like how young black guys need to be dad your pants uh that exactly yeah that he was targeted by me too because of that makes sense but then i watched that cosby episode where he's like talking about special sauce I really don't know, but I wouldn't be surprised. What do y'all think?

Well, I've seen some interviews by some of his accusers. They said they would come there. He would give them the pills and they would take it. I was like, he didn't sleep it in your drink without you knowing. He was taking these pills. You knew what you involved in before you got. And they would go back. Yeah.

And they went back. It's like you're complicit in the crime too. You should get some jail time. Okay. Yeah. And I think a lot of those women was because, you know, Bill I think he pissed off the wrong person, too. Yeah.

Problem. I think so. Spanish Fly was the thing that all boys from age 11 on up to death, we will still be searching for Spanish Fly. And what was the old story was, if you took a little drop, it was on the head of a pin. And you put it in a drink. It doesn't make it.

And the girl would drink it. Hello America. That's crazy. Spanish fly was the thing that all This is on HLN. From age 11 on up to death. We will still be

searching for Spanish fly. And what was the old story was if you took a little drop, it was on the head of a pin. I put it in a drink. Yeah. It doesn't make a doctor. the ball right there. I've never seen that glit. That's funny.

Hello American. That's crazy, man. That was on TV. They're laughing about that shit too. Yeah. Drugs and women. Times have changed, man. You can't just broke a bitch no more. Can you do that no more? Yeah.

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And then any of the social media is under my name. Okay. Thank you for coming. Absolutely. Thank you, yes. It's a pleasure. Damn, good show.