Hodgetwins Podcast - Megyn Kelly DOES NOT Buy The Official Story of Charlie Kirk's Murder...

Episode Date: May 24, 2026

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has happened to me in my own life this year has in some way resulted from Charlie's murder. I think I changed dramatically on that day and I don't totally know how yet. I just know it's true. It definitely had a profound impact on me and I don't know about the story around his murder. I do believe Tyler Robinson killed him. I don't know who, if at all, was also involved. I definitely am unsatisfied with the investigation into trans-Tifa, you know, around him. Why were people tweeting that he was gonna get shot and he was gonna die that day and you just wait for it?

And then there've been no additional arrests. And we've had no explanation on it. Like what happened to those people? Have they been ruled out? Why were they tweeting those things? It was multiple of them. And reportedly from that community. out there. So it's like that I'm unsatisfied with. And you know, Candace Owens reported on her show

something that I and I and many others I know had been told prior to her saying it openly. I did not report it on my show because I did not have it on the record and I will not report something for which I don't have two sources. But it's out there now. But she did report that there were, she had a different number than I had heard, but let's just say over 10, Israel only self- on campus that day that Charlie was killed at UVU, meaning a cell phone that doesn't, it's not like from, it has both service in Israel and the United States where it's like registered in Israel, but then you moved to the United States for college. It's like, this is an Israeli phone and Israeli number that has served, originally had service over there.

So, and I heard that from a very, very reliable source. So I don't know what that's about. I it's led some people to have questions and it could be complete bullshit you know like that could be I don't know what that means is maybe it's some is really exchanged didn't change you know maybe there's a bunch of them I have I truly don't know but that's worth investigating I think like I'm fine with questions being asked about this and I am not satisfied that the government was open-minded to those questions and and did ask them so I'm bothered by it I'm bothered by except well I do think Tyler Robbins didn't kill Charlie I don't know whether there's more to the story and now I don't know whether we'll ever know.

Yeah. I don't see how the guy that almost got Trump, how you don't spot somebody on the roof. I don't know how his security doesn't see a guy on the roof. It's like what you should be looking at at all times. Yeah. I don't know how that happens and nobody didn't notice that. Yeah, I used to speak out about it all the time.

I was like these events that Turning Point has, I see you guys are sitting ducks out there in the open. And for his security details to be so relaxed and allow that to happen. Trumps or Charlies? Charlies. I mean, excuse me, Charlies for that to happen. And the assassination tip on Trump in Butler, Pennsylvania. How does something like that happen is like incompetence?

Yeah. Well, I will say this about the Trump situation. Number one, we don't have enough information about his shooter at all. It's very weird. Right. But number two, when it comes to the, the government always bet on incompetence, always. Like, I don't generally believe in any mass conspiracy at the government level because they're so

incompetent. They're just a bunch of boobs. I just, like, the CIA can do a lot, so I have more confidence in them. So I never rule it out entirely, but it's just the ability of the government to pull off some mass, like conspiracy is very, very limited. So is it impossible for me to believe that they saw, the Trump shooter, that they failed to see the Trump shooter? No, that's not hard for me to believe at all. It's like it is, it does, it's hard for me to wrap my arms around how a year after that

Charlie was killed the same way. Like how, it's one thing at Butler to not imagine that there might be a rooftop killer. I do think people got relaxed. They let their guards down. They started to believe like, it's fine, whatever. You know, and I think there was some reporting that somebody wanted a crane. Susan Crabtree of real clear politics was reporting that somebody within the Secret Service had wanted a crane to block the view of that rooftop to Trump and that I think the Trump campaign didn't want it because it was unsightly. That doesn't excuse the Secret Service.

Okay, so he doesn't want the crane. You got to get rid of the crane. Then you just got to protect the rooftop, you know, still. Yeah, even more so now. So I don't know what went down there. But I don't understand how, you know, that. it was July of 24 that that happened and Charlie was killed in September of 25. So you're, you know, 14 months later, you can't say it was a failure of imagination there. And what I was told

by people who know is that Charlie's security team was told that the local officials had it, like the local officials there were going to patrol the roofs and they accepted that. And obviously that wasn't the case. I don't really know to this day whether it was done just inadequately or it wasn't done at all. But if it was done, it was done so poorly. And there's no excuse, you know, there's just going to be no excuse. And there has to be full, full investigation of exactly what went wrong on the security front. And that too, I don't think, I don't think has been done.

Yeah. It's not going to happen. Yeah. And Charlie Kirk was very vocal about not going to war. with Iran, him being gone now and his wife, his CEO of Turning Point, why do you think she hasn't been more vocal about the situation in Iran? And standing behind her husband, who was vocal against it. It's almost like she didn't know what her husband's feelings were on this situation in Iran. I think, I mean, Erica, she hasn't done that much political talk since Charlie died. She's done a lot of public

appearances, but she hasn't done that much specific policy, you know, talk some, but not a ton. And that's a tricky one because, you know, and it's dividing feelings are about Turning Point as we speak. Right. You know, the same thing that was affecting Turning Point when Charlie was killed is affecting it today,

which is the Republican Party is cleaved in two, right? There's like the very, very neocan pro-Israel faction. And there is the Israel skeptical, non-interventionalist faction, you know, that's more America first. Or as MTG put it, America only, you know, at this point, I'm kind of more where she is,

but whatever. And there was a battle underway when Charlie was killed to see which way turning point would go. Charlie had been, my own evolution with Charlie was like, we were in lockstep and I knew Charlie very well. And we talked about this a lot, so I know what I'm talking about. But he and I were in exactly the same place.

We had both been very, very pro-Israel in a way that was totally unquestioning and deeply loyal. And then after Gaza, and it just went on and on, we both sort of got to the point where it was like, okay, like enough, enough. You know, your most ardent fans

looked the other way for a long time, but it's gone on too long, it's gotten too brutal. You don't get an unending pass on brutality. wiping out kids, okay? Like, we're paying attention. And he was there too.

And he, even more than yours truly, had his finger on the pulse of what young Republicans wanted, what young conservatives were feeling. And they were already against the war. You know, the Democrats went long ago against Israel. All of the independents had turned by the summer before when Charlie was killed. And the young Republicans were turning in huge numbers.

And he knew it. He had done a forum with young Republicans talking about exactly that. And it's out there when you can see it and Google it. And so Charlie was starting to turn. He was starting to turn on Israel. And he did not appreciate the pressure he was under from his Jewish donors to not turn and to not platform people like Tucker who had already turned. He didn't appreciate it.

He resented it. He was thinking about giving back their donations. And there was a question about which way Turning Point was going to go. because, you know, the Republican Party was divided into, was turning point going to choose the side? And was it going to be, quote, the wrong side, you know, in the minds of his, like, deeply devoutly pro-Israel donors? And he died before that was resolved.

And so I feel for Erica because I don't think Charlie was having an easy time of that. And Erica certainly is not going to be having an easy time. with that, you know, like she, she's left with Charlie's messaging, which was no war with Iran, but that anti-Semitism is brain rot and probably in no condition to discern what exactly is anti-Semitism and what's not. Because like, people are conflating that right now. They're expanding that term as we speak to include any criticism of Israel. And Erica, for most of the first of, Most of her adult life has not been a political figure. She's been a wife, she was a reality TV, she was a realtor.

Like she hasn't been in the business. This is complex stuff, even for me. And I've been in law and politics for a long time, decades. So I just think she's probably, and I haven't talked to her about this, but I think she's probably, I don't know, feeling the ground under her feet moving and not wanting to do anything that's going to undermine her husband's organization and doing her best to just hold whatever factions she can together

so that they don't turn on turning point. You know, like I think based on what we saw it, like their event in December, Amfest, she would like to keep both factions under the turning point roof. I don't know whether it's possible. Yeah. And I think she'd like to keep those pro-Israel donors on board and not lose the non-interventionalist section of the party.

And I don't know whether that's, that's possible either. So that's, you know, you asked me why she hasn't said anything about it. Those are, that's my guess, without having spoken to her directly. So do you think Charlie Kirk's death was a coincidence at that point in time where he was starting to turn against Israel? You think it was just a coincidence? I don't know. Yeah. That's the biggest thing I'm, I'm having a tough time grasping is how does this happen now? And to probably, I would say, one of the most important men in Republican Party's history. I mean, when he died, I feel that America first died with Charlie that day.

I know what you mean. I think actually, like in retrospect, it was MAGA that died. Yeah. You know, because I think America First is still there. I think we're living it. Like, there are many of us who still feel it and are living it. It's not a principle that's being shared by everybody, but you know, Trump has now defined MAGA

to be you support Mark Levin or you don't. Like you actually have to be pro-Israel, pro this war, and he literally said pro-Marc-Lavin or you're out. Great, it's good to have it to find, I'm out. Yeah, got it. Still America first, but if that's MAGA, I'm definitely not. I mean, I never was MAGA.

I used to describe myself as MAGA adjacent, like fluent in MAGA, but not MAGA. because I always understood that connoted some sort of loyalty to Trump. And I'm not loyal to any political figure. My job requires me to be loyal to the truth, which is not consistent with loyalty to an individual politician. But I understand MAGA. And I think that day, yeah, that was probably the beginning

of the death of MAGA, because the fissures in the party became so deep and they were starting already. I don't know though. You know, I guess I, I, I have a dear friend who knows a lot about Israel and its leaders and is like very connected. And this person swears to me that Israel does not kill Americans, like does not do individual assassins. This is not a naive person. And Tyler Robinson is exactly the kind of person who could have pulled the trigger on his own. The loner, the trans furry lover.

You know, I mean, we're seeing so many of these bizarre leftists, you guys. Yeah. Is it so hard to believe that it was just this lone wolf loser? Right. Who thought Charlie was too hateful? It's not for me. I've covered so many of these school shootings. And this guy fits the profile of so many of these school shooters.

Right. White kid, young 20s, psychotic break, manipulated by radical messaging on the left, buys it, snaps, and, you know, does a school shooting, which really Charlie was killed in a school shooting, if you think about it. So it's not hard for me to believe that. But the truth is I can't rule out the Israel connection

because we refuse to investigate it. You're not allowed to talk about it. Charlie was breaking from Israel and it was causing an open issue, not just with his Jewish donors, but with Netanyahu to whom he wrote that long letter. Like Israel was aware of it. Charlie had a huge amount of power on this issue.

And his silencing has made a profound difference. I mean, the silencing of his voice that was Iran or Israel critical and also didn't want any sort of a war with Iran, which they all clearly knew was coming. Like, I'm not making the case against them. I don't want people to say, hey, you know, like, what are anti-Israel? It's not that. It's just unlike people who have a horse in the race, like, who are like, we defend Israel, you know, or we hate Israel. I am, I am a lawyer. I am evidence-based. And there, there is, smoke around Israel. I just have yet to see actual fire. And right. So I don't know. That's why I say, I don't know.