Hodgetwins Podcast - Megyn Kelly Tells US What Mark Levin Is Like In Real Life...

Episode Date: May 27, 2026

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That beef you have with Mark Levin, it's so funny to us. What was he like when you worked at Fox? Angry. It's pretty much been his thing. I mean, we used to joke like, oh, Mark Levin, he's angry again. Shocked. We always thought he was very, very smart and very, very angry. And that worked for radio at that time.

it was like, the only reason Mark Levin has a radio career is because Rush Limbaugh made it possible. And basically what happened was Rush, Hannity, and then they folded in Levin, got a monopoly on conservative radio and kept everybody else out. They colluded the three of them, Hannity told me this personally,

that they colluded to keep out people who they didn't want. And they built up Levin into something and Roger Ailes once told me, he was like, you know, that angry shtick works in some corners. And that's really what he leaned into, just like his natural unhappiness and depression and his spitting mad nature over everything.

So there was a market for it. Not on television doesn't work as well on television. Right. You know, like sometimes O'Reilly would do the angry man thing, but overall O'Reilly was kind of more of a happy warrior. Like O'Reilly would smile. O'Reilly would make jokes. O'Reilly could laugh at himself.

You know, I know, because I knew Bill well when I was there. So he didn't do that. Levin never understood that, that like on television, you do need to smile every once in a while. Not everything can be in 11. You're gonna exhaust the audience. And that's why he always failed. Like he never had ratings.

He had Sean Hannity mostly building him up. And that's kind of how it was. He was kind of like an ogre, you know, around the halls with the shoulders up like this. And kind of down the hallway. And you'd kind of be like, oh God, don't. Bruce Banner, don't make him angry. You won't like him when he's angry.

It was all the time about every single thing. And with me, it was actually crazy because I liked him. He came on to promote his book on my current show. And I puffed him up. I said very nice things about him, which is what he needs, by the way, in order to be in any way talk to.

You can't have a conversation with a guy unless you give him a little puffery first. Oh, wow. He's kind of like Trump. Yeah, actually. So we did fine, but like, Even with me liking him and being nice to him and being ardently pro-Israel at the time,

he was still like a fucking powder keg. You had to be like, oh, you know, you had to be handled. Really? Just because he's such an angry dude. And you see it now, you know, for yourself every Sunday he goes on the air. How tall is he? Not very.

And plus he's got the hunched over things. Seriously, he's got like the, he's got the thing that like really tall people will do that they don't want to be that tall, like girls, girls in particular, right? Only he's not very tall, but he does kind of walk around like this. Like, well, there's no neck. Oh, geez.

My Mark Levin invitation. So in other words, he's hideous. Nazis. Neo-Nazis. Yeah, well, don't feel bad. It worked on me. I bought like five of his books. Yes, because that's the same thing.

You were being fed Mark Levin by Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh, like the gods of conservative radio and legitimized, you know, by him. And he didn't make Israel his thing every other night. You know, like that's, I think a more recent thing. We think we kind of knew where he stood on Israel. And by the way, in my entire time at Fox, and my entire time, you know, closer to the Republican Party, that there was no downside to that.

There was zero down. Like the Republican Party in Israel were like this. And that's why you have so many statements by so many politicians, Ted Cruz and others. Like, there's zero daylight between me and Israel. You know, like I have 100% voting record with APEC. There used to be zero downside to that. I don't hold that against politicians.

I do hold it against them if they're not reassessing. Because Ted Cruz isn't there for Ted Cruz. He's there, and this isn't about Ted Cruz. I'm actually friendly with Ted Cruz. But I'm just saying like politicians in general, you're not there for you. You're there for your constituents. And if you got like every Republican under the age of 65

now begging you to reconsider this close relationship because they don't want their son drafted, you owe it to them to do that. that and like keep your finger on the pulse of what your party wants. Yeah, Megan, I think this, this current administration, I think that everything that's being shoved down the throats, I think it's just a test to how far they can actually go next presidency. Do you, are you worried about if Jetti Vance or Marco Rubio is elected president? Do you feel that there's a strong possibility that we're going to be in a full-fledged war with Iran? I'm more worried about that under Trump.

Yeah. You know, he's like, The things he's saying, and I know he wants to bring it to an end now, so I'm happy about that. I think he genuinely wants to bring it to an end. He can't possibly want anything other than that looking at the polls. Even Trump, do you have noticed? Even Trump is not ripping on these polls because they're everywhere. It's every single outlet and every single poll. He knows he can't delegitimize the polls right now.

So I do worry that he's going to be pushed by Netanyahu into like one big, one big last hurrah, and that'll turn it around. And it won't. it'll only be part of the escalation trap and he shouldn't do it. But so that's, I'm more worried about him. I think JD, he can't say it publicly because he's gotta be a loyal guy to Trump

and it would be career suicide not to be in his role. But I don't think he's in favor of this. I think he's like, oh my God, like, and he doesn't wanna be saddled with it and it's already hampering his numbers. So like I don't think there's, I guarantee you, I haven't talked to him about it, but I guarantee you there's not a bone in his body

that is in favor of this or wanted this. Marco's more neo-coni, though I think, you know, according to the New York Times, was skeptical about this and told Trump that what he was being told by Netanyahu was bullshit and not to believe him. I mean, I think Marco's big issue has more been Cuba all along and not so much Iran, although he's very, very pro-Israel. He's still in that place where all the Republicans were, you know, no daylight. You're always on Israel's side.

But Marco's savvy, I really hope he is able to see. what's happening to the party and can like extend an elbow in the way that Charlie Kirk was trying to do before he died for young Republicans who are Israel skeptic, Israel skeptical. So I don't know. I don't believe, I think, I think J.D. Vance is a non-interventionalist and his instincts will be absolutely to avoid war. Marco, I'm less convinced of that, though I think he's a good man. So there's hope for the Republican Party. Yeah, yeah, it's like, look, no matter who it is. And I mean, I would vote for JD Vance in an instant.

I really hope he runs, I will 100% support him, but you know, you have to make a lot of promises in order to get that office. You've got to kiss a lot of ass and look at like Miriam Adelson, $100 million is tough to turn down. That actually can make the difference between winning and losing. And you can't do anything for your worldview or the worldview of the people who think,

like you if you lose. So they all get caught in this trap where they wind up doing the bidding of those with the deepest pockets. You know, look what just happened with Trump and the vapes. You know, it's like R.J. Reynolds, they're making vapes now. And they wanted his approval of these vapes. And this is reportedly the reason he got rid of McCarrie, who was great. I loved McCarrie. He was great. He was a brilliant doctor. He was doing the Maha thing at FDA. And reportedly, didn't want a fast-track approval of these vapes because they're like Hawaiian punch flavored. It's very clearly for children.

And it's not great to get kids hooked on vaping. And so he didn't want to do the fast track approval. And reportedly that's why he got pushed out of FDA. Well, what happened? Then they came in and reportedly made a $5 million donation and guess what happened. There was a call made reportedly to RFKJ, who's now kind of in charge and McCarrie's gone,

and they got approved. Like that's how Washington works. So the most principled person can go in there swearing they're not going to be bought and paid for. But it takes a lot. It takes like a Thomas Massey type who really means it. I mean, honestly, like I think Tucker, who's extremely committed to his ideologies and so on, like his POV, I don't think he could be bought and paid for it. But like, it's very tough.

I think nine out of ten of them go along to get along because they want to preserve their political hide more than they want to stay. ideologically pure.