Hodgetwins Podcast - "She Is A SNAKE!" | Hodgetwins Go OFF On Laura Loomer And Israel First Grifters...

Episode Date: December 11, 2025

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Hodge Twins Hordeast Yeah On Facebook Who attacks you People to follow me You try to call out Trump on his bullshit

Oh, they attack you But what do they say? What's the common theme? Like I said They said we're getting paid by guitar And we're traitors Yeah Are you?

Are you? I wish Is it Qatar Or guitar? Qatar Qatar How do you say it? No, Qatar

I speak a little Arabic. That's one of my five. Yeah. So, yeah, speaking of the Qataris, so you see that those that are pro-Beevi and Miriam and Susie Wiles are the ones attacking. Yeah. The Laura Loomers.

Say it again? The Laura Loomers. Why is that? What's she doing? Oh, she's a sycophant for Israel. I don't know why these people don't pack this shit up and get out of here. Well, she just went. She was just there.

I'm pretty sure she did. She probably got a condo there. A lot of them do. So I got to be like honest about stuff here. Yeah. Laura Lumer, I've known, how long you known her for? I've known her for like 9, 10 years. Yeah, I haven't known her as long as you.

Yeah. Four years. I used to share her stuff on my Facebook and retweeter. So I would say up until about the time that she went on Air Force One last year. Yeah. Fantastic. Yeah. Doing great work.

Pretty much congruent with her vision of America First and the path forward for America and her rhetoric, et cetera. And I think something changed. I can't put a finger on it. But something changed. Maybe I can. You can't put your finger on it. Okay. That's a challenge accepted.

I got to stay undefeated, right? Yeah, you got to stay undefeated. No, I don't want to make battles where they don't need to be, but it's pretty clear her messaging changed. And when you look back at it, it's right around the time when she boarded Air Force One on the campaign is about the, I'll have to look at the details, but right around that time,

you started to see a shift in messaging, especially after the inauguration. And what? Especially after the bombing of Iran. So. That's what I noticed. She's quick to name names. It's so obnoxious being called America Last and being told that I'm not really American or that I'm America Last.

It really honestly just makes me want to go live a quiet, peaceful life. Not give up, but, you know, it's just so toxic. And I used to think to myself, wow, if somebody were to shoot and kill me someday or somebody were to attack me or, you know, cause severe bodily harm. I used to think that it would be a Muslim. But now with the level of like death threats and hate mail that I get from people online who are like these wannabe Hitler youth posters. What? Posting actual neo-Nazi content.

She's making all that. Maybe I'll be killed or shot or killed or stabbed to death by a neo-Nazi. Who knows? I used to think that it would be a Muslim. But now, Artemis is wondering if it's going to be this new generation of radicalized people on the internet who have just been totally consumed by. this like jube session from podcasters that all they want to talk about is Jews. Like it's,

it's rainy outside. It's the Jews. My dog had diarrhea today. It's the Jews. That's what you guys start starting to sound like. No. It's the Jews. No.

No, I actually have some context substance. I've known her for 10 years. I mean, I consider her, well, it's kind of my idea and perception of her has changed a little bit in the last year, and I'll get to that.

but for say the first nine years absolute she has more courage than most men right just face it whether you agree with or disagree with her policy just fuck she has balls okay and she has exhibited and she and she is

I don't believe that stuff I'm just joking she's a woman it's a woman okay she got a huge she's got a lot a lot of courage right she's that. She's very smart.

I mean, she can articulate her thoughts better than almost anybody out there. She follows the issues. She knows the issues. She's in the room. She's constantly engaging. She sees, and she knows what's going on because she's constantly on Twitter. I mean, you're knowing the discussions, conversation, where people

are going and back and forth. And then she ran for Congress twice. She knows the political game. She ran for Congress twice in Florida. So that means she's got, she was interacting and has access to the Susie Wiles of the world. Every time you ask her, or she's asked about

Susie Wiles in any interview, she's a sycophant, basically, right? She defends her. Now, that could be based on a good relationship that she has with her, and Susie's been good to her and vice versa. And I don't have a problem with that. But her brand,

I'm not telling her what to do and what to not to do. She's always been good to me, okay? She's never been bad to me. And I've always been respectful to her. What's that? And so when she ran for Congress, I went to her, when was that, 20? 20? The first time she ran for Congress, or 2022 maybe, no, it's 2020.

And she won the primary. I was there at her victory party because, I mean, it's very rare for somebody like her to actually pull it off. And so I was celebrating. I was proud of her, right? And then she ran again the next time. and I was there also at the she was supposed to beat the Republican incumbent and had she done that she would have won the general because it was a Republican district because she changed district and I was there as well I literally on my own just to support her because I remember on the first one I actually gave a speech at the event and because she's such a warrior I think I actually gave her a green like a green beret as a sign of thanks of she's basically moving the needle as an America first candidate and I respected her for that And, I mean, for that action, I still respect her for that. And she ran again.

And she got hosed. The establishment totally stole her election from her from literally a carcass Republican that is just garbage. You know why she's got passion. She's got work ethic, right? She's a workaholic. So you've got to respect all that. But she's very quick to with receipts, name people, and then provide the receipts to go after and expose people.

I love her for that because I like doing that as well. well. You shine light where the darkness is and you expose them and then you create some accountability. But recently when she talks about there's a vetting problem, right? Veting problem in the White House. Does she ever name names though? That's my knowledge.

So that to me is like something's off here. Why are you not naming the exact names of those people that are supposed to be vetting in the White House and just calling them out instead of the nebulous, there's a vetting problem in the White House? Right. Well, last I checked, it's pretty easy to go ahead and search every year the White House is supposed to publish to Congress, every single person that works in the White House staff. And you look, there's 404 as of the July 1st of 2025 disclosure. You can pull that up.

In that disclosure, you can exactly see the name of the person, what they get paid, their title, and then you can basically assume that if you got to hire. salary and you have a position called like chief of staff deputy chief of staff head of presidential personnel office white house council the senior lawyer the staff you start to see the position you're like oh this person that has this higher salary is probably the one behind the vetting it's pretty simple to do why is she not calling them out i don't know the answer that she knows the answer to that. She's another Republican cook. I wouldn't say that. No. Well, she called us grifters.

It questions the why. Like why? Why does she call you grifters? Why does she? I've tried to communicate her, communicate with her. And I've communicated with her in the past. And she's picked up my calls and texted. And recently, since that pivot, she really does not. I get it. She got a lot of inbound so I can attribute it to that. and she's busy and she prioritizes her life.

That's her decision. I mean, I don't provide any, probably anything of value. I've asked her a few times. Last time I saw her was at the Turning Point USA event at the James O'Keefe party in Phoenix last year in December. And we talked and I asked her like, what happened? Like, why are you not communicating with me at all? And it wasn't a really good answer. And I said, I could come on your show and we can talk about a lot of things, right?

And while she said in person, yes, Every time I follow up, there's a non-response. So I'm open to talking to her, but I think maybe, I think I know what the answer is, but I don't want to accuse her of it. Because I do feel like it's disingenuous to go after somebody that I've had a, I consider a friend. Right. Yeah, right. And so I don't want to jump the gun. But I think you're leaning towards probably what reality is, and I'm probably leaning in that direction.

but I don't want to do it in the way that. Because if people see that, and I'm shitting on someone that I consider a friend, like, what are my other friends going to think about, like, how I'm going to treat them? So I have to be more reserved in that relationship of calling it out before I have full evidence to call it out. And that's not because someone's paying me or whatever.

That's just because of my personal relationship. It's just being strategic in being a good person, really, being genuine. Because that was, like, I would expect that first. From her side, your side, right? Right, of course. I think for the most part. Like, if you got to beef with me, just pick up the phone and say, hey, you're fucking dumbass.

What the fuck are you doing? I'm like, wait, what? What did I do? I just think she's a huge supporter for Israel. Yeah, I mean, that's pretty evident. She is a Zionist. So if you're critical of anybody. But I wouldn't call her America last.

No, she's America second. That's what I'm saying. Yeah. She's not American last. Worst case scenario, you would say she's America second. Yeah. But you can't say she's America last. Of course not.

No, no, no. Not saying that. Yeah. But America's last behind Israel. Yeah. Definitely. Yeah. I would say that.

And so that's the conflict. I think that's the conflict within our movement is those that are in some way, shape, or form due to affinity to another country. Another country based on financial interests. Some people call it religious. Right. I'm not sure if I buy that. I think it's more of a financial. It's an influence thing.

But I'm open to be wrong. Yeah. Like, I'm open to having a conversation for her to call me out in a substantive way where we go through the list of individuals. And I'm not sure that she would want to discuss that because she has to make her decisions, right?

Yeah. Cost-benefit analysis. Yeah, it's easier said than done, but a lot of people can't have an honest conversation like we're having. When people ask me, who pays me? Yeah. Nobody. I don't know.

They're like, Ivan, you're everywhere. Yeah. Well, buddy mine got me miles to get here, to fly here, right? Yeah. So I try to do it so that when somebody audits me, a regime audits me, I need to stay undefeated. Right. So I have to do every financial move that I do in such a clean, crisp way that even if it's exposed, it's like, oh, damn, he was fucking living on the cheap. How the fuck did he do that?

Right. Right. Yeah, it's got to stand up against scrutiny. Yeah, because I'm retired, right, from the military. So I got enough to, you know, take care of things at home, the family. And all this other extra stuff is based on other people's charity of, like, friends. And they're all American. And it's all American money.

Right, right, right, right. Which is a much. And it's like when I'm in D.C., what does it cost me? 15 bucks to park my car to go fucking maraud some scumbag that's testifying before Congress. That's all it costs, $15. I think I got $15. Right, yeah. Right, right.

Yeah, I mean, I'm sure she has, I'm sure. So I think, to sit down with her, I just, we agree on a lot of things, but it's that, it's that 10% that I don't trust her. I mean, I don't trust anybody's integrity after they try to throw me on the bus and call me a traitor and a grifter. She called you a traitor? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Right when Trump bombed Iran, she started. attack me. And then all these, uh, then she puts out in the ether that,

now I'm not against neutralizing Iran. Yeah. Yeah. But I don't want to do it on behalf of Israel. That's why I want to do it based on our interests. Right. Sorry. Yeah. Yeah. It's just that they put out in the ether that there's this woke right. And it's like people like us. It's people like Tucker. It's people like Nick Fuentes. And they call us grifters. And we're just doing this all for money. When we've supported this man for what? Yeah. 10, 11, 12 years. You know what I mean? And it's just so disingenuous. And I don't trust anybody once they do that. Yeah, you have no integrity.

They call me a trade, called us traitors. They're called Marjorie Green, a traitor. Yeah, I don't trust you. Yeah. And Trump has been going hard at. Well, I think Laura's got, Laura had a previous beef with Marjorie based on, like, personal dynamics. Because, I mean, those are both very vocal opinionated women, right? I got a picture for her with Marjor Green when she won her seat.

They celebrated. Came across it on Twitter. Yeah. Now she's attacking and wants to say, should I move to Georgia? I don't trust people like that. I think she's a snake. Personally. Yeah.

Never matter, but. Yeah. I invited to come on. Once you use those tactics, I don't trust you. Yeah. Those are like snake tactics. I don't like, it's hard to have allegiance to America when you have a so-called ally. It's just America will always come second.

And I found him. father spoke very little of that and they warned us about that. But look where we're at now. Everybody that's in Congress, everybody that gets voted in the office here. You've got to be backed by APAC. The court of Congress, get it captured. I mean, there's only a few that aren't. The court of public opinion, though, what you say is, it's coming over to our side. Yes. And that's why you're having these harsh words. It's literally a verbal civil war of people call each other what you just said. And I just think we're on the winning side.

I think so, too. Because if you're honest and you're a good faith, essentially trying to articulate your thoughts based on good judgment. Right. You know, you can make mistakes, but... Yeah. It's a red flag for me if I see a person agreeing with

everything Trump has done. If you're agreeing on everything someone's doing, it's like, you don't have no constructive criticism at all? No, it's like... Duh. Yeah. Yeah, I hate that. Like, I don't like that.

Name some names. all the freaking... Lauren Lumer. No, we already talked about Laurelumer. Like all the influences on the right. Every last one of them.

They don't criticize Trump for nothing. Yeah. Because actually for them, I think it's just a grift. They don't want to like... I think it's healthy to criticize when it's constructive criticism.

Yeah. It's healthy. Yeah. Okay? I mean, what? Charlie Kirk was trying to stop. Like I told you,

I know from a extremely credible sort of Of course. You don't have to trust me, but I'm telling you from my perspective, I vouch for this information with full stop credibility and knowledge. Not from me, but from indirectly somebody that Charlie spoke with pleading that they stopped the president from bombing Iran. Is he a traitor? Is Charlie Kirk a traitor for doing that? Of course not.