Hodgetwins Podcast - Sports Culture & Black Culture Are All WOKE! | Twins Pod - Episode 23 - Sage Steele

Episode Date: July 26, 2024

Sage Steele is a broadcasting icon. One of the faces of ESPN for over 16 years, in 2020 she stood up for free speech when everyone else in her field bent the knee. She has graced us with presence here on Twins Pod where she talks about the woke infiltration of professional sports, the degradation of black culture, and how she changed her whole career path to maintain her ideals. Yeahhhhh! Get your Twins merch and have a chance to win a truck and a camper - https://officialhodgetwins.com/ Get Optimal Human, your all in one daily nutritional supplement - https://optimalhuman.com/ Secure your financial future today - https://prepperbar.com/ American-made, top of the line knives - https://dmoknives.com/ Want to be a guest on the Twins Pod? Contact us at [e-mail] Download Free Twins Pod Content - https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1_iNb2RYwHUisypEjkrbZ3nFoBK8k60CO Follow Twins Pod Everywhere - X - https://twitter.com/TheTwinsPod Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/thetwinspod/ Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/twinspod TikTok - https://www.tiktok.com/@twinspod YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCX8lCshQmMN0dUc0JmQYDdg Rumble - https://rumble.com/c/TwinsPod Spotify - https://open.spotify.com/show/79BWPxHPWnijyl4lf8vWVu?si=03960b3a8b6b4f74 Apple - https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/twins-pod/id1731232810 03:20 - Sage Was At ESPN For 16 Years 07:37 - Female Reporters Dressing A Certain Way... 15:00 - Complied and Still Got Fired 20:09 - Why Sage Sued ESPN 25:32 - Female Reporters In Locker Room 30:10 - Sage's Interview With Joe Biden 34:26 - RFK & Abortion 40:00 - Tribalistic Politics & Stephen A Smith 43:03 - Woke Sports and Breaking Away From The Woke 47:18 - Trump 50:40 - Has Joe Biden Done Anything Good? 54:49 - Sage's Early Life 59:00 - Growing Up In The Ghetto VS Growing Up Anywhere Else 1:06:23 - Racism At ESPN 1:11:52 - Mass Firings at ESPN And Overworking 1:23:33 - Fake "Diverse & Inclusive" 1:29:23  - The Democrat Party Is Pimping Black People 1:34:19 - Joe Biden Is A Victim Of Elder Abuse 1:36:43 - 2024 Election 1:45:00 - Working With Bill Maher 1:50:12 - Black Culture

Yeah, welcome to episode 23. We have Sage Still on the show. That's your very white voice. Yeah. I can't believe we're finally meeting in person. When I used to see you on ESPN, I wasn't in YouTube. I wasn't even in politics. I was just in pretty much sports.

And for me to be sitting here, both of us would be sitting here talking to you? It's like, I never envisioned it. Yeah. Well, I'm honored that you kept trying because I knew who you were a long time. And I was like, look at these two out there. Okay. You was at ESPN for 16 years? Yes.

What was that like working there? The best? Yeah. I mean, at first, the reason I sued was based on freedom of speech, honestly. And I was like, I am not apologizing for my opinions. Right. Because I stand by them and I always will. You preach diversity and tolerance and inclusion and acceptance.

But it comes to the most important one, which I've always said this. I've spoken about this publicly for 15 years. Diversity of thought. Yeah. That's when you go quiet. you're like, I love you, Sage, I'm out, or I hate you, Sage, and you disappoint me. The standards have changed. A very high standard on SportsCenter.

I wonder why they set such a low bar for Joe Biden. That is so crazy. Did you plan that segue? No, it just came right off the cuff. As soon as you said, I was like, they hold you guys to a high standard. We don't hold these same standards for our president. Inflation is legit. It's crazy to eat at McDonald's now as a family.

So expensive. Well, you don't eat it. There's no way you eat it in McDonald's. My kids eat that garbage. Oh, I eat that garbage. I eat their garbage. You do? Yeah.

Ew. And you stay in shape. Yeah. See, once again, we can't do that. Women can't do that. Right. Well, you look very fit. Well, I have to work out.

I can't go to McDonald's. Yeah. We said, take that way you say she looks fertile. Fertile. Young. You look so vibrant and fertile. Fertile. Yeah, welcome to episode 23.

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Go to Optimalhuman.com for slash hearts twins. Yeah, yeah. Welcome to episode 23. We have Sage Still on the show. That's your very white voice. Yeah. How are you doing? I'm great.

I can't believe we're finally meeting in person. Thank you for having me. I would never in my widest imagination. Because when I used to see you on ESPN, I wasn't in YouTube. I wasn't even in politics. I was just in pretty much sports. And for me to be sitting here, both of us would be sitting here talking to you? It's like I never envisioned it.

Yeah. Well, I'm honored that you kept trying because my schedule and my brain has been a little bit dead for the last. I've been gone for almost, yeah, 10 months, 11 months from ESPN. And it's just been kind of a whirlwind. But I knew who you were a long time before you knew who I was, I think. Or at least before we communicated. And I was like, look at these two out there, okay. But then I had to be super quiet and act like, I don't like them.

Deep down. Yeah. And you would say it's been for 16 years? Yes. Wow. What was that like working there? The best. Yeah.

I mean, at first. It's like a dream job. Well, yeah. I mean, I was 11 years old when I told my parents I wanted to be a sportscaster. Oh, really? And then ESPN was, and we're about the same age. I might be a little older, but we're going to leave it at that. And then I told my, I mean, ESPN was the worldwide leader, right?

So to me, that was the end-all, be-all. And so to work for 11 years in the local TV regional before getting the job of ESPN, and then 16 there, like that was always the goal. So the fact that I achieved it, the real dream, I'm so grateful, honestly, for everything. there. Yeah. I have a news clip so I can give our audience some context about what happened. Of course it's the left wing meter, so

you can clear up whatever they say, but it looks like it was for the most part fair on what happened. So, but we'll let's go to that clip real quick. Another star falls from the ESPN lineup. The latest

Sage Steele. The host is off air after a series of controversial comments she made on a race, sexual harassment, and COVID protocols. News Nation's Felicia Bolton is live. So, Felicia, this is the second ESPN anchorwoman to come under scrutiny in recent months. Yes, Nicole, that's right. And it's a tough time for the network.

Sage Steele's comments came during an interview on the podcast, Uncutt with Jay Cutler. She took a shot at President Obama, female journalists and against ESPN's vaccine mandates. Race, sex, and COVID. Three hot topics that landed one of ESPN. most popular anchors and the hot seat. The network removed Sage Steel from Sports Center lineup for a week after a series of comments during an interview with former NFL quarterback Jay Cutler on his show uncut. From her thoughts on former President Obama's racial identity.

That's his thing. I think that's fascinating considering his black dad was nowhere to be found, but as white mom and grandma raised him, but hey, you do you. I'm going to do me. to suggesting female journalists welcome harassment by the way they dress. When you dress like that, I'm not saying you deserve the gross comments, but you know what you're doing when you're putting that outfit on, too. And speaking out on ESPN's COVID-19 mandate. I respect everyone's decision. I really do.

But to mandate it is sick and it's scary to me in many ways. But I have a job. a job that I love and frankly, a job that I need. I don't know what comes next, but I do know for me personally, I feel, I feel like defeated. Steele is now backpedaling after being reprimanded. At a statement, she said, I know my recent comments created controversy for the company, and I apologize. ESPN released this statement, saying in part, we embrace different points of view.

That said, we expect that those points of view be expressed respectfully. at a manner consistent with our values and in line with our internal policies. You know, I looked at those comments she made. You was respectful the entire time, and you couldn't be more respectful. And it wasn't controversial what you said. Yeah. I would agree that it was respectful and thank you. I've always been respectful.

Even if you don't like what I'm saying, I do it. I was raised right. I try to say it in a respectful way. It was controversial and that the topics were at that time. I think it's funny. Well, the backtracking part, I guess you could call it that because I was forced to release a statement. I was forced to apologize. Right.

If I didn't apologize, I wouldn't have a job. Right. So what do you do? And many people say, well, you caved. I guess I did. I don't think you caved because you apologized that you caused controversy for your network. You didn't apologize for what you said. I thought you would still very genuine.

So I'm glad that that's actually something important that you noticed. It was definitely a negotiation. that night to go back and forth on the wording. And I was like, I am not apologizing for my opinions. Right. Because I stand by them and I always will. It's funny when we talk about, like, each of the three controversial topics, I mean, in chronological order, the woman one,

that was something that I've always said and I will always stand by. As women, we know what we're doing. Yeah. We are very smart. Yeah, you know what you're doing with that curly hair, you guys. This is from God. I did not create this. I'm just having to own it or I don't know how to straighten it.

I don't have it anyway. I wouldn't straighten it. No, but listen back in the day, you know, I mean, this is 20 years ago. I had bosses who were like, hmm, can you like, can you straighten that? And I was high, I was not hired for one job in particular, a dream job at the time because the producer was like, yeah, she's really good at her job, but her hair. So. Yeah. Really? Yes.

I think that's one of your best attributes. Thank you. It's honestly. It took me a long time to own it because if you think about TV on any level, how often, now it's different. I'd like to say that's because of me because I'm kidding. But like back in the day, I mean, no one even, that's why bosses were like, can you, because not one woman on TV, local, regional, national war curly hair. You know they all, you know there were a lot that had it, but chose to straighten it and go along with the traditional. I call it the anchor bob.

Right. Anchor bob. That's not me. And then I had three little kids, and I didn't have time or energy or money to straighten it. So whatever. We know what we're doing. We know what we're doing with what we wear. I have two daughters, okay?

We've had many arguments. I'm like, okay, what is your goal for going outside like that? Right. And you have a beautiful, curvy body. Right. No. Or you can't be surprised when people look at you. Exactly.

I'm not saying it's right. It's like a natural reaction. Of course. And so take that fact. Any woman who disagrees with the fact that we know what we're doing, I'll fight you, and I don't even fight, but I will fight you because that means you're lying. You take that into a locker room. A bunch of young man?

Yes, and again, men, I said it on that podcast. Men be better. Be better. Keep your mouth shut. Act like you've been there before. Like, we don't have to drool. I don't want to, no. But, like, at the same time, I think it's a two-way street.

Yeah. And women don't play dumb and be like, oh, my God, he made me feel. You did that on purpose. Stop. So I'll stand by that. And so when they talk about, you know, women deserving, there were headlines that came out. Sage Steel believes women deserve to be raped because of their clothing. It's just exaggerations. Right. So that stuff hurt. The second one was, and order was about Obama and race. And I didn't question his identity. I relayed a story that took place in 2014 live on The View with Barbara Walters.

when Barbara Walters asked me why I chose to say biracial instead of black and she didn't like it. Right. And I remember sitting next term being intimidated, it's Barbara Walters, you know? And for her to say, well, the president, 2014, the president, he's just like you, he's biracial, but he says black.

And I said it then and I said it in 2021 and I'll say it today. But you know what? Good for him. That is a construct from white supremacy. They told black people, if you have a drop of black blood in your body, you're a black. Yeah. You're just perpetuating a construct by white supremacy at that point.

I guess I wish I had thought of that and realized that at the time. It was live and it was Barbara Walters. And this is 10 years ago now. Right, yeah. And so I'm a different person. Oh, we all are. Now I would have the courage to say more. I thought what I said was actually, it was just a compliment to my family,

nothing against Barack Obama. It is a fact. He's written a book about it about his dad not being there, but his white mother and grandmother raised him. So to me, I don't like it when anybody doesn't, it makes me sad, that's all, for people who don't fully identify with, like, actually what we are, because I would never exclude my mom because she's white. Exactly.

And the joke that I made at the time was, I'm pretty sure she was there the day I was born, that white mom of mine. Yeah, right. So I'm just, I feel like my family is a beautiful example of diversity in America. Right. And especially because my parents chose to get, they got married in 1971. Coming off the civil rights era, my mom's white Irish Catholic parents from small town Massachusetts disowned her for marrying a black man. But what did she do?

She's like, screw you. He's a good man and he loves me. And in October, it's going to be 53 years. So to me, that's diversity. that's courage and that's strength. So if I'm compared to Obama, like Barbara Walters did, which is silly, don't compare me to, I mean, he's the president, I was some sports journalist.

I'm going to be honest. And don't you dare tell me that I'm, you know, well, I've heard it all before then and since then, right? She hates being black, blah, blah, blah. I'm so proud to be me and I'm so proud to come from a family that doesn't lead with race. People get mad when you say, I don't see color.

Obviously, we see it. The point is, I just don't lead with it. I lead with how you treat me and how I see you treat others. People I work with who are all good and nice and sweet and professional on camera, but the second that light goes off, how do they treat the teleprompter kid? How do they treat the producers? Or is it just about them and their egos, right? I don't care if you're green.

I'm not going to like you. So that, I will say, was quite painful with the race stuff. I think it's great what you did. I think Obama's, well, I voted for Obama's first term because I was still a Democrat. But looking back on, I think it wasn't genuine when he come out and said he was black because he was raised by his white mom and his grandfather. And he's biracial. And he's byracial. And for him to go out and I understand you identify as being black, but you for to neglect your mom and your granddad.

And because without them, without them, you wouldn't exist. Yes, it breaks my heart for their sake. And then what is it teaching? As somebody in that position. You can't your white side. Yes. Or just to not own who you are. It's funny because now it's fine.

Oh, you're a girl today and you're a boy tomorrow and you're a cat on Friday. So like we can say we can, oh, accept me as I am. Unless I say I'm proud of my white mom too, as proud of her as I am of my black dad. So don't, don't. Like, you can't pick and choose. Do you see that as an attack on white people? Do I see this an attack on white? Yes.

Directly, indirectly, I guess. but it's also more just an opportunity to call out someone who doesn't go along with your ideals. And that's what it was with me. Because I had alluded to some things through the years, but I always tried to keep my mouth shut so I could keep my job. Right. And keep friends, honestly, and to... I know. Isn't that sad? That's hard just trying to be something you're not.

It is. And then it takes a toll. Yeah. Until you say enough. Right. And I didn't know that that would be the time. I didn't know that what I said would be wrong. And here's the thing.

Because the vaccine stuff, that was a whole other level. At first, that's what Disney-Espan was mad at me for. You can't, you crushed the company. I'm like, no, but I complied. That stupid band-aid on my shoulder, people thought I did it on purpose. I forgot it was there. I literally had just come from the pharmacy to get the shot that I was required to get to keep my job. That was the last day I was allowed to get it.

Otherwise, I wasn't going to be fully vaxed by September 30th, 2021. And that was Disney's mandate. So I was sobbing. I waited until that day to make the decision. I prayed and I just asked that when I woke up that morning for God to give me a sign, and he did. And it was, I got you. And so I went and did it, but I was emotional.

I was mad at myself. I was embarrassed that I gave. I was scared, too. So I waited to the last second, and then I sprinted back. And it was September. It was still nice out of it. So I had the short sleeves on. I sprinted back, and I opened my laptop, and I got on the podcast.

And Jay is like, So what's that? I was like Yeah, can I ask about it? I was like, sure. I mean, it's there. Like, I don't care. But I, that's why they were initially so mad at me.

That's why I got suspended. But then they also brought up, well, you crushed Obama. I'm like, did I? No, you called him out for being fake. Well, that wasn't my intent. Because he was for political gain, really. Well, I agree with that. That's why I bought it for.

And, yeah. So did my, a lot of my family members. Especially my, you know, she's gone now, but my grandmother at the time was like 94. You know, she's born in whatever year. And the teens, 20s, 19. And so she had seen it all and been through it all and never thought America would get to the day to see a black man. So I understood that. And I was happy to see.

I just thought it was the wrong black man for me. That's all. That's all it was. But for him to not identify. with both sides, there's millions of people like me who are biracial and not just black, white, but all different kinds of biracial. And I think it would have been, it's a missed opportunity those eight years he was in office and even today to say to all those kids who are told that they're not enough. They're not black enough. They're certainly not white enough

because when you see me and you don't know me, you think, well, they wouldn't, you wouldn't say, oh, who's that white girl with curly hair? It's not what you're going to say, fine. But like, what an opportunity that was to tell all those kids. You are enough and you are beautiful, just like you are, just how God made you and just based on the decision your parents made. And he, I believe he sold out in that way. And that could have helped a bunch of biracial kids like me who didn't feel like they were enough.

So you're damn right, I'm going to stand by this now. Absolutely. And then my ex-husband is white. So I'm half white, half black. He's all white. My kids. Look Italian. I was asked if I was a nanny.

Oh, my mom got that. The nanny thing. Yeah. Oh, that broke me when I was a young mother. Yeah. And finally I was like, no, I push her out. Yeah. No.

Like, she's mine and I was so proud. So I think. That is crazy because my mom used to tell us stories because my dad is really light. Yeah. And she would like be taking us out. And white people say, how much do you charge? Stop it. But we were babies.

I had red hair. Yeah. And I had the blue his eyes. Right. Yeah. You guys, I need a picture. You must have the most beautiful babies. We don't have many pictures.

We're poor as hell. It's like, we had a couple pictures. Well, you turned out okay and you're still pretty, so it's fine. Yeah, thank you. I think, and I don't, I'm just, I'm so sad that it came to that. Yeah. I loved that company. I sacrificed a lot for that place, and they gave me so much too.

Yeah. So I hate that it had to end that way, but I also know that, like, I wouldn't change a thing. I would still stand up in all three of those ways. I think the Obama thing was so. funny, though, because that was 2021. I said it 2014, live on ABC, which is also owned by Disney, and they were fine with it then.

So I didn't get any pushback when I spoke up to Barbara Walters. But I did years later, so it just speaks to how much the country has changed. Right. There you go. And the timing of things. So there was looking to get rid of you. I think there had been some people behind the scenes who were.

Look what happened to the football coach for the Raiders. They dug up old emails. He says he said something like, and it wasn't even racist. That was John Gruden. Yeah, John Gruden. He's called somebody rubber lips. Yeah, because you can't, that's a figure of speech.

Well, that's a black guy. You call him rubber lips? Don't do that. It's a figure speech that you can't trust what he says. Yeah. And it was like a- It might be racial insensitive, but email to a private party. Yes, and by the way, I've been at a lot of those practices for years in the NFL and the NBA.

And oh, by the way, college basketball, where they're closed, but let me tell you goes on behind the scenes with us with some of the most professional, well-respected coaches that have ever lived. They talk to their players? Are you kidding me? Yeah. So I would never excuse any truly racist comment. Right.

But I also don't agree with trying to go back and dig deep to find ways to cancel people. Right. The reason I sued was based on freedom of speech, honestly. And people say, oh, you're so stupid. that's not what the Constitution covers. I'm like, no, I know. There is actually a statute in the state of Connecticut where ESPN headquarters is and where I live,

where you can criticize your employer as long as you're complying. And if your employer punishes you for any reason, that's actually illegal. So that's what it was based on, is the state law in Connecticut, not First Amendment constitutional that people. So people come at me like that. I'm like, well, if you actually read it, read the lawsuit, or read any part of it, you would know that it was based on what they did in the state of Connecticut.

And you won that lawsuit, right? We settled. We settled last August. But it was based on that slash the double standard at ESPN for letting my peers go on ESPN platforms and airwaves and on their personal social media, but on ESPN airwaves and give their political opinions. And give their stance on the vaccine and all of those things. Mine was on a separate podcast, on a day off, my own personal experiences. Right, right.

Versus them doing it on ESPN platforms, and it was fine? Which one is it? You can't say some are allowed to speak their views and others are not based on what. Like if I had gotten on that podcast with color and said, listen, no offense, Jay, I don't know how you feel about this vaccine, but you anti-vaxxers,

you are, you know, if I ripped them. Yeah. You've been praised. No offense to my white mom, I love you, but I am black. Yeah. I would have been celebrated for that. And women should be able to wear whatever the hell they want. Right.

With everything hanging out. Right. I would have been celebrated. But because I said the opposite of what, you know, woke America thinks, corporate America, Disney, so many corporations, they crushed me. And it was just enough. So all of a sudden, this shy little girl, I've been shy and scared to upset anybody my whole life. Right, right. And I changed me.

And I was like, I'm done. I'm out. Yeah. You took a very moderate report. she was like right down the middle, you wasn't hard right or hard left, he just spoke truth. I spoke my truth. Yeah. And I thought that's what mattered.

Yeah. It's for us to be able to speak our own truth and what matters to us because we all have unique experiences. Our experiences shape our opinion on everything, on politics, you know? So I disagree big time with a lot of people in my family and a lot of good friends of mine, but I love them as humans and it's okay. Yeah. And I think that's the difference.

I find people so troubled when it comes to politics. Like I would never disown somebody because the Joe Biden supporter, but I have people in my family who has disowned me because I support President Trump. It just doesn't mean. Have you had conversations with them about it? I just turned it off. I mean, they even created a whole Facebook page. My family.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. A couple of my cousins went and sent them straight and they deleted it. But it's all about George Floyd. And I never.

Yeah. I didn't even get it. Well, they, didn't want to tell the truth and then hear the truth about George Floyd either. That still has been kind of minimized, especially compared to how it began. Yeah, exactly. We just gave away the cheap Rubicon, the good old E. Good dude. You're making families great again.

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It's like, um, I mean, I think you'll, totally right in what you said because I don't see like unattractive women working at ESPN especially when you were there like everybody was like attractive they knew what they were doing they were very competent at their job and they were all great but they were also

attractive and then when you combine the part where they dress like you know tight form and tight just tight clothing it's like if I was there and I just compliment a woman and she takes it the wrong way that's sexual harassment

It is now, yeah. Yeah. So I can totally understand where you're coming from. I can see me working in the mailroom in the SPN. Man, that's sage, man. She's got the perfect tan. Like, hey, who's the creep in the mail room? Right.

You know? Well, it's funny because I actually had bosses who were like, hey, can you talk to so-and-so about what she's wearing? I'm like, no, that's on you. You guys are allowing it. You guys are the ones that aren't having difficult conversations. And this is years ago. This is 15 years ago.

Listen, I wore tight clothes at times. My key was every outfit is different on different people. Our bodies are different. You have to remember that on ESPN, on SportsCenter in particular, you are standing up. You are walking and talking. So you have to think about every camera angle and how it's going to look, even if it looks one way in person, it's going to look different on camera. You ready.

When I was married, I would always be. be super sensitive about it. Because, listen, clothing matters on TV. It does. It didn't before. We were also behind a desk, and then you'd wear your shorts and flip-flops on the bottom. But head to toe now, it always matters. And I did a two-hour live sports center. And so we'd be up and about and all over. But I would, if there was a dress or something I had a question about, it's like, is this too fit? It is it whatever. I'd put it on. I'd ask my husband. And I thought his opinion,

he would be honest, because he wants me to be comfortable. and own my style, or excuse me, we're not married, he wanted. Now I don't, I'll leave that alone. Now he's like, but back then when he liked me, he was, you know, I just respected his opinion. I wanted his opinion as my husband. And I thought if he approved this dress that was a little fitted, but it was longer. Right. Right.

I think you can find out, you can. It's a fine balance. I would say don't do both. Don't do tight and short. Yeah. Do one. It's a bad combination. You know what I mean?

If you want to maintain professionalism and right or wrong, credibility. Because it does matter. And I want people, I wanted people to listen to what I'm saying. And take the story from the highlight that we created and listen to the questions I'm asking Adam Schaefter, who I just absolutely love, or so many of the other good people that work there. Or an athlete that I might be interviewed. I want you to listen to this. Because my job is to bring you the story.

but if you're distracted by me hanging out that takes away from the credibility is it fair women to men no but like you guys have to wear a suit it is what it is we had to be more creative and it isn't always easy but we always know when you look in the mirror don't play dumb yeah

we know right like most of our audience for ESPN is mostly men right yeah but women oh my gosh just in the last decade, especially with, if you look at the numbers with fantasy football in the NFL, it's half are women. Oh, really? Those numbers have skyrocketed. And I love it. Yeah.

Yeah, yeah. I mean, I think that's the assumption, especially when you look at college football. But women, sports fans are, it's a massive. Yeah, I see, like, a woman's looks is a talent personally. And I think, I think ESPN invited, like, the women, especially the ones, standing up to dress a certain way because men, I'm telling you men are just very narrow. I can't wait to watch Sague still to see what she's wearing. That's just the way men are.

But the end of the day, I might look good. But if I didn't make sense and do a good job and look like a deer in headlights, especially on Sports Center, I wouldn't have lasted very long. Exactly. And I would get, you know, a ton of criticism if I mispronounced a name on an NHL highlight. It was hard. It was the hardest one every time. Russians and Czechoslovakian.

And I was like, oh my gosh. I would pay special attention because it matters. I need to be getting all that right. But, you know, the standards have changed. They hold you to a very high standard on SportsCenter. I wonder why they set such a low bar for Joe Biden. That is so crazy. Did you plan that segue?

No, it just came right off the cuff. As soon as you said that, I was like, they hold you guys to a high standard. We don't hold these same standards for our president. Yeah, they do, but they don't. They're inconsistent with those standards that he is. piano networks as well. I mean, look at the industry as a whole. They are lying to your face on almost every network. You've interviewed him, right? I did. How did that go? It was like a month

or two after he took over office. So this is 2021. They didn't prep questions and like approved questions or anything like that, did he? Because that recently came to like that, Hey, you're going to ask these questions and only these questions. I was given a very specific list of questions. Yeah, of course. That guy's a dead man Walker. But I don't know if the questions that were very, I mean, scripted to the word. I don't know if they were done by ESPN executives or the White House or a combination.

I don't know. When I look at that man, and I hear these stories, I don't think he's running our country. He's definitely not on his Twitter feed. No, but he hasn't been doing that. years, I don't think. So that day, three and a half years ago, I was chitchhating with him before the interview began. It was taped. Oh, okay. And it was going to run on the 6 p.m. Sports Center, which I hosted at the time. Okay. And so we taped it a couple hours early. Yeah. So this wasn't live.

No, this was not live. Definitely not. But it was interesting because before it started, you know, you say, hi, nice to meet you. Welcome. I do that with everybody. Right. Right. Right. Hi, Mr. I'd never done that before. I mean, it was an honor, you know? I might not have voted for him, but I was still going to be honored to speak with him. And I had a job to do, you know, even though I didn't have much say about the job I was doing because I had to ask those specific questions. So, but before it started, chit-chat, there were some technical issues. And so I was having to, like, fill time. And I'm like, oh, my God, I'm trying to fill time with the commander chief. And you could hear him, but they had a black, like, sheet covering the camera, so I couldn't see him.

until that moment. Oh, they don't want no hot mics or anything looking crazy. The mic was hot, but then the camera, yeah, they don't need that. So I just, it was weird to be talking to somebody, but then I couldn't see him, but I could see the sheet, the black sheet kind of moving. Yeah. And then we started to talk about football. He was, before we started, he's like, he's like, yeah, I played football in college.

I was like, yeah, I know, Delaware, right? He's like, yeah. Because I was a wide receiver. I'm like, I know. He's like, I had good hands. And I was like, I don't know. I'm like, that's very helpful as a receiver. I don't know.

I didn't know what to say. Since then, you're like, oh, I'm glad that it was then and not now. You know what I mean? But he was polite. He was fine. The one question that I had to ask that I wasn't, we didn't have, because we lost time with technical issues, I didn't have time to follow up.

I don't know if I would have been allowed to. I don't know. But it was right before the Major League Baseball game was being taken out of Atlanta. If you recall. Oh, yeah, I remember that. Yeah. Because the, you know, racist voter ID laws. Right.

Because black people aren't smart enough to remember to bring an ID to vote, apparently. Or water, because they'll die. Yeah. Right. But he's struck in the line. It's so racist. Yeah. So racist.

So he, I said, would you be okay if Major League Baseball decided to move? And he went on about the racist voter laws. And I, like, it sucked. I had to sit there quietly because I wanted to, as a woman of color, say, tell me. Tell me what's racist about that. Yeah. Like, please tell me because that may, it does.

We are not smart enough to know what you need to bring to vote. Like, that is the most insulting. Is that me? I'm sorry, I thought I turned this off. No, that's you. I don't know. I think that might be Joe. Is that Joe?

Is that the producer's phone? Joe. No, sir. I'm like, I'm sorry. Oh, my mom. Oh, it's next door. You know what, Sage, we had RFK Jr. on here. We asked him about that.

And he said, yeah, it really disenfranchised a lot of black people because they don't have IDs. I was like, should these people really be voting in a country if they can't maintain an ID? Did you ask him that? Did you follow up? What did he say? Yeah, he started laughing. He didn't have an answer. Yeah.

No, because it's so easy to go along with some of these lies to try to bring in certain voters with that low-hanging fruit. Yeah, right. Just stop. I interviewed him too. Yeah, I saw that. And I enjoyed it. I interviewed his... And I like him as a person.

He seems like a genuine good guy. Yeah, I liked him too. You know, a lot of people said he should have been on that debate stage in Atlanta. I never thought he should have been, only because I said, no, America needs to see Joe Biden. Right. And that would have taken away. Yeah. You know, 50-50.

It would have been 33, 33, 33. And there wouldn't have been as much focus on Joe Biden. And because I think most of us who have a brain new... do. There are some issues coming in. And that would have taken away. So I hope he does get on a stage at some point. I know he got a ton of eyeballs that day doing his own debate, which is very creative the way that they did that for him because he does have a lot of good ideas and good points. And the fact that they won't give him secret service or anything.

That's God all right. Yeah. Yeah, it's too bad. But I enjoyed listening to someone with a different viewpoint. We talked about abortion and that got a little hot. Yeah, I saw that. I thought that was, I thought his response was kind of weird. like at nine months, one should be able to have the right to do that. I'm like at that point, why don't she just have the baby or have a C-section and just...

Emergency, see, that's what I said. Yeah, give a full. He just kept pushing. He just said, government should never have a say and I understand that. I understand that. Does that mean up until birth?

He didn't want to answer. And then I said it again. And then finally he said yes. And I was like, oh. That is weird because my daughter, my first born, was premature. She was born at seven and a half months. She could breathe on her own and everything.

She was in the hospital maybe two weeks and we took her home at seven and a half months. That's why it's sick. Yeah. It's absolutely sick and never, ever, ever, ever necessary. If a woman's life is in danger, what do you do? You cut that baby out so fast. Yeah, she's action. Emergency, see, they can have a baby out in three minutes.

Yeah. And a portion. That's crazy. Why don't they recognize that? No, but they do. Yeah. They're choosing to ignore it because most people aren't going to have this, basic conversation and be like, wait a minute, does that make sense?

So they just say things that that's low-hanging fruit that people say, oh, my God, you're right. Just like, oh, my God, you're racist. Yeah, and women, some women, a lot of women, that vote Democratic, they think that empowers them. Yeah, I don't know why. I think there's a lot of, it's deep, it's a lot of history with that, but you go to that abortion topic and it's my body, my choice.

And, of course, then you go to the vaccine. And I'm like, but wait, you're the one that told me, I'm a sellout or I'm, putting your daughter in danger because, so I, listen, there's so much hypocrisy. I will say with that abortion thing that aired on a Wednesday, my show, and then on Friday, he came out with a statement saying I have since learned that late-term abortions do happen and there should be a limit. I'm like, you knew that before.

You know what I mean? We have all these red flag laws for people with guns. We have no red flag laws for women. red flag laws for women. What woman, a right mind, were walking in a hospital and say, I changed my mind at eight, nine months? Yeah. The problem is it happens. Yeah, that's a detriment on that woman, not the baby. Well, it says a lot about that woman. And quite often there's drugs involved. Right. Abuse involved. I mean, the situations that women are in at times are absolutely devastating. I can't, I can't imagine. Right. And at the same time, that's still a life.

This is how I viewed it And as a mother of three I think I probably would have felt this way anyway But something in you changes When you go for your first ultrasound Upon learning you're pregnant And I was like six weeks pregnant When I went for my first one, I think

And on that So this is in 2001 And I'll never forget Looking at the monitor to my right And seeing The four chambers of the heart beating The nerve said the baby was about the size of a piece of rice.

Yeah. But there were four chambers of a heart beating right there. So that is life. I understand there's a lot more that goes into it from there. But once you see that, how can you deny that it is alive? Sometimes we're more concerned about the wildflowers and the median and the trees. And we are about what is obviously a life and your seven and a half month old daughter when she was born. Seven and a half months.

Seven and a half. So what? A month and a half premature. And we were so scared I didn't know if she's going to be able to breathe if she was going to survive and no, she could breathe and everything. Yeah, and it's different for every person

and I understand that. But let's just not deny the facts. Yeah. And people just deny it because it's inconvenient. Yeah. For that narrative. It's like people just, like I know I'm Republican, they might be more often now they're liberal,

but you got to stop rooting for your team and just use common sense. You got to go with what's right and not what's wrong because you're rooting for your team. People are so tribalistic. It's like they forget what's right and wrong. They vote with their emotions and peer pressure for sure. I know a lot of people, people that you know that are on TV every single day,

who say one thing but believe another and even vote different ways, actually, but are afraid to say it. And I get why. I got to ask, is it Stephen A. Smith? No, Steve A pretty much puts his, he's been attacked because the BET Awards try to, they celebrated OJ Simpson. So black people's attacking him, right?

Have you came across there yet? What? Yeah, Stephen A, he's got a podcast, and we don't have to really, yeah, and the BET Awards celebrated OJ Simpson. And he had some words for that. It's like, that's not a bad look. You shouldn't be celebrating a man who got away with,

double murder. Yeah. That's just common. Who celebrates OJ.J. Simpson? VET Awards. Just stop it. And he was only black when he was going through court. That's the only time he walked around and claimed he was black. Oh, I can't. You know what, to paint something?

I didn't know that. I will say. He's been attacked over that. Well, Stephen A.'s been attacked over criticizing BET. That's what you're saying? Pretty much. Yeah. Yes. Well, good on. Stephen A for doing it. Hopefully he doesn't retract. Because he has retracted on other things,

other criticisms. Hopefully doesn't retract this one because it's common. I have a love-hate relationship with him because sometimes I'm like, man, you're right and you're right. And then all of a sudden he just goes total left. I'm like, what happened? It's like, I don't know if he's like... Well, I think

it, listen, I think it's good. If you're looking at each issue and not just going all right or all left, I think that's important. Yeah. Sometimes it's just very inconsistent when some of the issues actually are similar. That's what drives me crazy, the inconsistency. Yeah.

Yeah. No, I get that. I agree. I agree. I think he's, I will say he's brilliant. I think he's very intelligent. He's brilliant.

Such a hard worker. And for him to get where he got from where he's from, you got to be an objective person. Yeah. Sometimes in my heart, I feel like he's not being objective. He has people. He has. Yeah, shit.

You should. You should be interesting. I mean, he goes on Fox News. He goes on with Hannity and he likes a lot of those conservative guys. It's funny, they let him do all that. Yeah. And then I, then, like, stage out. So, but he, oops, sorry.

But he also, you know, listen, he, again, he's such a hard worker. He does so much. Yeah. I miss things like that, you know. Especially at the NBA finals, I would have them on my show every day on SportsCenter because it was always on the road. And, you know, I, sometimes we forget the cameras there and you just are listening and you're talking and I'd be like, what? What did you just say about Draymond Green? What?

Like we'd argue. And it was, it was fun. Right. But I will say it's also been nice. Like I didn't know how much of an escape I needed a break. I needed from sports everything. So for 28 years, that was my career, 28 years. It was like every statistic and just go crazy on it.

Right. And now I'm like, you know, the first full NBA game I wanted. watch this year. Game 7 Pacers, Knicks Eastern Conference semis. Oh really? I gave up in bed a long time. I, I, a lot of people have, but that was my life. I used to come here to Vegas. Summer League. I mean, this was my thing and I loved it all. And now, oh, I just, I don't care. Yeah. And I still loved a lot of the people. Yeah. But the product is not. There's so, I mean, it's just, that term woke. I mean, we thought. around so much. It just, it went so woke during the Black Lives Matter riots. Yeah, that's when I turned

it off. And it's like, I can't watch it because I'm supporting people who are like literally will vote for the left side. I think this eventually going to destroy this country. They're trying. Yeah. They're doing a good job of it. And most of the people that speak up in the NBA, I don't think, are fully aware of the topics. Yeah. that are fully educated on what they're saying. Right. As I say, get all the facts. Put your emotions aside.

That's the hard part. And then the state your opinion. But when you give your opinion, based on some talking point that someone else told you or on Twitter or Instagram, then you're going to go. You lose me. You know what I think would help the black community when it comes to being objective? If everybody went blind and you just heard both sides, you couldn't see a the other person was black or white, you just heard their ideas, there's no way they would be

Democrats. There is no way. I mean, they wouldn't support all these policies like transgenderism and competing against women in sports. And you hear these laws about the, you can't vote unless you voter ID laws or racist. It's like it doesn't make any sense. And these people are not stupid, but they believe it because it comes from a Democrat. It comes from another black person's mouth.

And that's why they believe it. It's that race card, too. It's very powerful with black people. If somebody besides Donald Trump was saying what Donald Trump is saying, they'd love him. Yeah, yeah. Especially if he was black. Honestly, I think so if it was anyone else's a name besides Trump's in there. But he's saying what he's saying?

Not everything, but on the major issues, especially when it comes to the border and national security and Ukraine and China and North Korea. Are you kidding me? But it really hurts Trump, though. He's go overboard. Like, I watched Rihanna in a Super Bowl. Amazing performance. She had a... She was pregnant.

She was pregnant. I couldn't have did that. I'd have passed out on those scouts. I'd have failed to my death. Trump goes to it. That was the worst performance I've seen in my life. I was like, come on. You didn't have to do that.

But they've been beefing for years. Yeah. It's so funny. And he just... I mean, he can't help it. And I know the people around him sometimes are like, oh. Please don't. He will not listen.

Yeah. He does not care. Right. Part of me loves that. Yeah. Because he has not changed. He won't change. Right.

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And I went to Trump Tower in New York to talk to her. Yeah. And. That was a great view. Right? It was amazing view. Is this where you come to work every day? Right.

I try not to be in New York City, but when I'm here, it was beautiful. And she was so kind. But I think it was just really cool. to talk to her and get her perspective because they, listen, he is who he is. And they've obviously all had conversations with him. Right. They gave up. Why? You know, it's like, we did so great on this. Just don't tweet. Yeah. Bam. And he can't, like, he just can't help it. Yeah. And I also believe that's why he got elected in 2016. Right. Because he does, he was the opposite, the antithesis. of, you know, a decent politician.

A lot of people like it. It's just some things we could go without. It would help him. Yeah. Being a man he is. He's just so genuine and sincere. He's actually on his Twitter. He's on all the social media.

Everyone else has someone else posting it. Actually, what was I going to say about that? What did you just say? How he's genuine. Yeah, on Twitter and it's him. It's his words. Yeah, shoot. Some of the things we can go without?

Yeah, shoot. come back because it was something that Laura said. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, I just think it's, I think it, oh, oh, here it is. Here it is. Hey, back. This better be good, right? She said, you know, he doesn't have to do this. Right. Well, how does this benefit him? Exactly. It does not. It hurts him. There's no other president that has left office with less money in their pocket compared to when they went into office. Right. And especially because, and then look at now and look at all the legal stuff, right? It would have been. easier, much easier, and probably smarter for him after 2020 to let that go. Even though I don't believe it was a fair election, he obviously does not either. It would have been easier from to let it go, cheaper. And in the meantime, because he said, hell no, I love this country, I'm going to fight. This is why they came after him.

This is why they're doing what they're doing. And so it's a great point. Why, if you don't have to do something, you're not doing it for the money. Right. He could go to one of his 56 different properties around. country and the world, and he could golf and he could do all the things. But he cares that much. Is he a narcissist? Yes. What politician isn't? Right. They all are. Right. Doesn't mean they're not good people. Right. But yes, he's about himself, whatever, but he's also about others. Especially to be a

billionaire. You have to be, have that sentiment. You're getting that position in your life to be a being now. You've got to be about. Oh my gosh. Yes. Yeah. So I just thought that was a great point. He doesn't have to do this. But when you see how our country is going where it's heading, who else is going to do it? Who else is going to step up and help? And he's got all these grandkids. It's for his family as well as for all of us.

Right. And is it imperfect? Absolutely. Yeah. But who is perfect? I totally give him a pass. I just shake my head and laugh. And it's like, okay, just fix this.

Just do this. Right. And when people question, I ask this quite often, I'm sure you do too. give me one good thing that Joe Biden has done in this country, one good change in the last three and a half years. Yeah. How about the black community? Tell me how the black community in some of your inner cities,

whether it's D.C., New York, Atlanta, any of them. Chicago, Obama's place. How is that better? Since Obama, since 2008. It's not. Right. So when it comes down to the bottom line of Americans being able to afford to feed their families,

at a reasonable rate, but still take a vacation. Right. By the car they want because they're working hard. You know what I mean? And inflation is legit. I didn't use, I was like, oh, okay, I'm doing okay. So, but. It's crazy.

Yes. It's crazy to eat at McDonald's now as a family. So expensive. It's comical how expensive it is for those meals, whatever the meals are. I haven't gone in years. Well, you don't eat it. There's no way you eat at McDonald's. My kids eat that garbage.

Oh, I eat that garbage. You do? Yeah. Ew. And you don't have to, like, run to the restroom 10 minutes later. I feel it later. I get heartburn. I was like, I'm too old to be in this crap.

And you do it anyway. And you stay in shape. Yeah. See, once again, we can't do that. Women can't do that. Right. Well, you look very fit. Well, I have to work at it.

I can't go to McDonald's. Yeah. And thank you. But I have to go. Like, it sucks to have to work so hard. And because you don't have to deal with all the hormones. And I got menopause going on here. Oh, you do.

I mean, it's a whole. I mean, it's a whole to. It's the beginning. Oh, yeah. I think my wife's going through that. Yeah. I ain't going to bring that up. You just did.

Tell her she's not alone. I don't. Well, she's 48. Should we talk about this? It's fine. Yeah, she's 48. Some women start much earlier than that. Yeah.

What's it like? Well, see, I think my wife's going through it. She had a period, right? And it's like a couple drops and it's gone, but she's crap and crazy. Everything changes. Everything changes. Your hair starts to fall out more. The hot flashes are legit.

What is that like? I'm bad. And I love being hot. I love Vegas weather. I love the desert. I'm moving to Florida in like two months. Like I'm from Connecticut to Florida. I'm all about the heat.

I'll never complain. I complain about this. Really? It's like all of a sudden you feel like, well, you're dripping wet. It's like I'm getting out of the shower. Wow. But I'm like sweating. Oh, it's bad.

It's not often for me. Some women have it bad. But when I do, I'm like, oh, my God, someone help me. Like, it almost makes me panic. Yeah, when I think of menopause, I'm ignorant when it comes to women's bodies and hormones. But when I look at you, that's the last thing I'm thinking about is, oh, she might be going through menopause. You look so very young. When I think of menopause, I think like grandma.

No. There are women who are 40 going through it, 45. Yes, but we can't. Well, we're not going to get sympathy from you. It's good. at least at this point, like, listen, I'll be 52 in November. We'll be 50. September?

November. Okay. We September. Take care of what you say she looks fertile? Fertile. Young. Like, you can have kids. He didn't say fertile.

He said, you're not. I mean, that's what he meant by you looked so vibrant and fertile. Fertile? No, no. That ship sailed a lot. My youngest is 18. Wow. They're 18, 20, and 22.

Yeah. No, my youngest. No. Yeah. I am out and I am excited to start over. She's going to college in August. My other two are going to be a junior and senior in college. And it's just me.

I'm single. So empty nest. No, I don't need babies. Yeah. Yeah. I'd be one of those geriatric patients. They put me on bed rest after two weeks. And then, but what?

That means I'd have some young husband who then is going to dump me. Yeah. Because my body's not going to bounce back like it used to. Like, no. Right, right. Hey, I want to talk about your early life. You don't want to talk about being fertile and hot patches anymore? I don't know why.

Why would you want to change the subject? Please, let's go. Can't believe we went there. Man, I don't know what to say. I've never felt like. You keep it all this in, right? I did not prepare. for that. Okay, what about my dad?

Yeah, he's like, man, it's a beautiful story. Thank you. Yeah, very beautiful story. Part of American history. Yes. We didn't know that. He's my person. And my mom, I talk to them every day. Yeah, so you want me to give me a summary of it? My dad, I told you before, they've been married almost 53 years, and they are my everything. They're 78 and almost 75.

and still, you know, punch each other on the ass and are just their goals. Like, well, if I get married again, can I do those 20 years plus whatever else? Yeah. I'll never match them, but maybe combined if I can. It's too late. They, well, my dad broke the color barrier at West Point. He was the first black man ever to play varsity football at Army. Wow.

If you think about that, it's crazy when you look at it. What year was that? 1966. Mm. So you think about any football. team. That's doing Jim Crow, right? When did Jim Crow? All that? 66? Yeah. I mean, that's

in the middle of all of it, right? And if you look at a picture. So there's this story, a video that's posted on my, it's pinned on my Twitter, my ex. It's been there for six or seven years. In NFL films did a beautiful job telling the story of their relationship, but how it began with my dad in West Point. And on it,

there's a picture that they show of my dad's football team that year. And it's a sea of white faces. And there's one black face right in the middle. And it's my dad. And it's your dad. It's my dad, yo. But look at how football teams have changed now. You have like three white guys, right? It's like, who's that white guy? He must be Christian McCaffrey. He must be fast and whoa. But, or he must be the quarterback, right? Right. Otherwise, yeah, like he, my dad, though, my dad again never made it about race. He had a great teammates. Did he know he was different, of course? Did he stand out? Yeah. He also stood out because he was 6'5-220 pounds as a tight end in the mid-60s. That was a big man back then.

Yeah, them white boy was scared. Yes. But the video is so cool because it's that shows some highlights and he was bigger than everybody and taller. And he also ran track. He was an incredible athlete. So I, you know, my dad always talks about how it just isn't about race. for him. And he said with that, yes, it's an honor and you were the first. He's like, but I didn't ask to. I just want to play football. He goes, somebody had to be first. It just happened to be me. And that's true. And that's how he has guided us is, okay, so you look a little bit different. That's where God placed you. That doesn't change the way you speak to people. Hopefully doesn't change the way they treat you. If it does, let's discuss, you know. But that's the beauty

of sports, by the way. Right. It brings us everybody together. That's why when I was 11 I wanted to be in this field because I just couldn't believe that on a Sunday,

an NFL Sunday, right? Everybody for three hours was on the same team. Rooting for each other, cussing out the other team, whatever it was. It's like, we're all in it together and you're high-fiving people

you're sitting next to. Yeah, race doesn't matter. Doesn't matter. It's so, that's why sports is so beautiful to me. And I felt that at a young age. That comes probably from my dad in his athletic career. Yeah, and I think he instilled a lot of that in you because of, like, I've seen some of my friends and family grow up in a black neighborhood.

We actually grew up in a poor white neighborhood, but growing up in a black neighborhood and only seeing that side of it, you have such a narrow sense of the world. Yeah, it puts you in a box. I mean, luckily, we grew up in a white neighborhood, so we had white friends and we had black friends. friends and we got to see both. But what's funny about that is a lot of our black friends seen us as being like biracial even though both our parents were black.

And they would... You're light. Yeah, because we're light skin. And it was like, no, you're not black. You got the light eyes. Yeah, they would say, no, you're not black. They would tell us that. Yeah. I would say, fine by me. They want to be black anyway. No, you didn't. That's terrible. He's always joking.

He doesn't mean. No, you didn't. I was just joking. thing. Why am I mean? I'll say a lot of stuff pissed off black people, but I'm joking. I know.

Well, that's the thing. But they, but because of your skin color and your eyes, just like me with my hair. Right. Then you're different. And then I'm told, yeah, you're told you're not black

or, oh, you think you're better because, I'm like, of course I don't. I didn't say that. I would never say that. Right. You're putting that on me. Yeah, right. Like, what is that?

Why were you not black? Yeah, right. You got some too good looking. Plus, the two of you together, trouble. Yeah. I mean, how, okay, how was it with the ladies? Oh, we were so shy. Oh, my God.

If I, like, if you was in my class, if you was in my class, I'd be like, you see what sage were in there? Yes, she's looking at me. Yeah. I was so. Super shy. We were like very, I was trying to put, I was very awkward. I wasn't a ladies man.

I was very quiet. We're introverts because we had each other. We had friends, but we was always together. We didn't really need anybody else. So we were very shy. What an advantage that was. Yeah, it has been. Especially if you weren't black enough, right?

At least you had each other. Yeah. But I guess I could call myself biracial, but both my parents are black. Yeah. Yeah. So what would you say? Would you? Well, we got a DNA.

We know exact genetic makeup. Our ancestry from all over the world. So we were at 54% not African. Yeah. Rest is European, Scottish, Ireland. Yeah. Don't you think most people are like that now? Yeah.

Yeah. If you're black in its country, you're not all black. There's no way in here. Right. And you're also probably not straight from Africa. Mm-mm. So when you say African-American. Right.

I don't even like that word, African-American. Yeah. It's a big lie. We need to do it for every single person. Croatian American, you know, Spanish American, Italian, American, Irish. They don't do it. They don't. They just call themselves American.

I'm just an American. Did you see the, I posted a T-shirt on my Instagram account on Fourth of July? Yeah. I'm getting like you. I was stirring the pot a little bit. Yeah. And it said, I identify as American. Right.

And I saw it. I saw it on Instagram. I bought it on some shop on Instagram. And I was like, my daughter, I came downstairs. She was like, no, mom. Do not do that. Don't wear that out and do not post it. I was like, oh, I am posted.

That's a great message. Why do you do that? Why? Because she, you know, she's younger. It's hard when it affects your kids. And now I think they gave up on me. Now they're just like, oh, she's out there now. But I think that's such a great message.

We're all Americans. You shouldn't be offended by that. Tell me how you could be. Yeah. You know, but they want, people want and benefit from identity policy. politics. Right. So, no, I just, I'm American. And I grew up on military bases around the world. Yeah. You're seeing all walks of life all over the world. When I lived in Belgium, we did not live on the American base. So we had Norwegians to the right,

French to the left, Turkish people across the street. And none of the kids spoke each other's language. We figured out how to play kickball in the street. We figured out how to ride our bikes down to the candy store and I got all the Belgian candy and chocolate. That's why I'm a chocolate snob now because I lived in Belgium and I'm like, yeah. So kids figure stuff out. Adults are the ones that screw them up. Right. And we, I just, all I saw, and this is, you know, I've been criticized and just for not,

oh, you're not black enough, you don't identify with my, I just, I'm just me. Yeah. A mom. What does that even mean, Sage, you're not black enough? I never, I haven't came up with a great response yet because it doesn't make sense to it. Well, I just, I'm like, you're actually being a racist by saying that. Right. Give me the list.

Give me the criteria. Go ahead. Tell me what quantifies black enough. Right. Because that goalpost keeps moving. But when I grew up and I, it was true diversity. And there were so many interracial marriages, by the way, all the kids looked all different. And all I knew is that I was the new kid and I wanted to find friends.

And then when another new kid. kid came in because that's what military kids do. You're in and out. You're just accepting to that kid too. And I had friends that looked like or from all different, all seven continents, you know. So I will not apologize

for truly believing in that diversity because I've lived it and I know the benefits of it. I think it just makes this all better and I'm so proud to be an American. I just want to be Keith. I want to be black. I want to be white. I want to be white. I don't be about it. I just want to be Keith. That's all I really want.

Growing up, we got a lot of, I would say, would you call it hate from black people? Yeah. Would you get a lot of hate from black people because of the way you luck? Not much when I was younger, again, military. So kids were very accepting. It was definitely once I got older. Once I got to college. And then my husband was my very first boyfriend.

And he's white. Oh, wow. I married my first. I know. So I was with him seven years before we got married and then 20 years married. So from 20 to 47, that's all I knew. And people like, oh, well, you didn't date a white guy or black guy. And I was like, before I met him, I actually had this huge crush on this one football player.

I went to Indiana. I mean, and I saw him and I would like, I ran the other way. I was nerdy, shy as well. Yeah, I was so sad. But I was super attracted to so many black guys. but guess what? Not one of those black guys at IU that I knew would date a black girl. They only dated white girls.

So I'm like, okay. That's crazy, right? I'm super interested in him, and he's like, I don't have time for you. I want the blonde hair, blue-eye white girl over here. Right. And then, okay, so then this guy, you know, gave me a chance, and we fell in love. And because he's white, I'm a sellout. I can't.

So you have to, and I would say this to younger people who deal with this, or even people more our age. You just have to let go of what others think. And I know it's easier said than done because I had to do that my whole life and being in the spotlight on TV for 28 years. 16 at the worldwide leader where people said stuff every single day.

Every day, especially when social media came about. I had peers who said I was not black enough and wouldn't work with me. At ESPN, that was a documented story and it happened four years ago and that devastated me. That's harassing. A hundred percent. And I reported it and I talked to the bosses and they didn't do anything about it.

So when a reporter found out about it because one in particular, the woman, she was kind of bragging to people about it and talking about it out loud. I think I know you're talking about it. Yeah. She looks like you. Her skin color and she's got black. She's got black. Yeah. Yeah. No, I don't think she does. No, no. I'm thinking somebody else. So I'm like, what does that mean? But so she's. was kind of bragging about it and guess what? Well, I've been there a long time. A lot of people talk and it got out past me where I had a reporter call me and I had a decision to make.

Right. And it was, do I just not take the call? Do I not talk about it or do I actually stand up? Because this had been going on for 100 years, right? Right. As in the industry. I talked to my agent at the time and I was in tears because I'm like, when is this going to end? Like when is their accountability for people who are making racist statements. And it's still racist even if you have certain skin color. Racism is racism. It's not reverse racism. It's racism. That term is stupid and shouldn't even exist. Right. So there was a moment in time where my agent and I, and he said, I think this is your moment. And so I responded to the reporter and gave them a statement. And so that was 24 years ago. So that was kind of the beginning probably of the end.

Because that's when I, once you stand up for yourself, Yeah. They target you. Who was that? Who was the... El Duncan. Oh, Duncan. And Michael Eves.

Mm-hmm. Now, Michael Eves, did he have a show with Jamel Hill? His and Hers? No, that was Michael Smith. Oh, it's Michael Smith. I wonder, you know, I sent you a clip. I used to watch Earspin all the time. Yeah.

And it was his and hers. Yeah. And that was their podcast. Michael and Jamal, yeah, it was good. Yeah. You thought it was good? I mean, at the time, it was. I mean, there were a certain good moment.

Yeah, I don't know what you're about to show. I remember about watching this. This is the first time I, like, watched a show. And I'm just going to go ahead and play the clip. This was... Can you make it bigger, Joe? What's up? You do.

So. Man, I had been up this early in a long time. Turned on the TV this morning, watching Sports Center a.m. And I just realized we love. We're living in a different world. I mean, they was doing all these highlights, talking to all these analysts. And I just realized, man, either they don't know, don't show,

I don't care about what's going on on his and hers. I mean, they're doing the top 10. They ain't even have no on Hardin the Pate. Like in Jamalya, I got those DTMs. You know that doing too much countdown? Make the fuck out my face and keep them damn babies out the street. This shit crazy. Yo, the state getting Michigan?

I don't even know how I felt about it, neither, man. These games and just go on and on. Next thing you know, people are going to try to get us to stop quote movies. Man. So y'all got to change sometime. All right, because I got to go. Hey, Jay, we still got one month left in the hood, man. Oh, okay, I see.

Y'all think y'all better than the rest of us. No more OG his and hers podcast because y'all do the 6 o'clock. I got something to say to both of y'all. Y'all ain't, y'all don't do shit, and you ever ain't going to be. Is that it? Hell not, ain't it. It's it when I say it said. Don't get smart with me.

I knock both y'all little asses in the middle of next week. Y'all must think I'm the maid around here. You're on the coast-to-coast, top five. I don't with y'all anymore. I mean, I was watching N'E's been. I was like, I never watched this show again. I forgot about that. Yeah, what was he trying to be funny or start a new acting career?

I didn't know what that was about. Was he trying to get more gangsters to watch that show? Drinking a 40-ounce? It was so creepy how much she looked like ice keats. I can look at her ever guess. Like, this is ice keith. I am going to leave it alone. Yeah.

I just, it was, and I'm kidding when I say that. It's just like, what do you say? Yeah. I mean, that was back when Michael and Jamel were doing the 6 p.m. Sports Center. They had gone up to that. So then, yeah, I mean, there's a lot there. Not one of those people are still there. Yeah, right.

I left by choice later, you know what I mean? I noticed a lot of people they got rid of. What was the major reason behind that? Was it budget cuts or was it? Yeah, layoffs, layoffs, layoffs. They had, I think the network had overspent in many ways for many, many years. So the first layoffs, I want to say, 2014 and then 2017 and 2021, whatever. Like, there's been a lot.

It's still going on there. Yeah. Yeah. And COVID affected a lot, too. And then they realized, oh, we don't need as much to get as much to get it done. But that falls on the people who then have a much higher workload. Moral is still not great there. Just like in many places in corporate America, many media networks, morale is terrible.

Especially because I remember y'all will be on TV all day. During pandemic? Yeah. No, just in general before the pandemic. I remember you would be on TV all day and it looked like the majority of that was live. So I'm sure y'all worked like long hours. Yeah, but there were a lot of different people doing different shows. Yeah.

A lot of different shows. And I did many of them through the years, you know. The last two and a half years were on the noon Eastern Sports Center. which was my favorite because my co-hosts to my team and we it's two live hours and it's you know you gotta go everything that we said we wrote ourselves people weren't writing our stuff for us yeah there are times when there were writers that would help if there were some breaking news that was happening and while we're in a commercial break they're doing this and we're trying to get information it was a true team effort right and I loved that because that's like sports at sports network

it was a true team we had a great team I was on the 6 p.m. before that and asked off of that not a great situation, not a great team on that in general. And, you know, people are like, you're crazy. Why would you ask off the prime time? I'm like, I don't care about ratings. If I'm not with the right people who are wanting to be teammates and not be competing with each other or not being supportive behind the scenes, too many cooks in the kitchen, I was like, I'm good. I'm good.

And I missed all of my kids, not all, but a lot of their track meets and after school activities. Oh, yeah. You sacrifice a lot. I did. Again, I received a lot. I really did. And I want to be fair about that. But there are things that are more important. Once you realize that you're just a number and dispensable as we all are. Yes, we are. It does not matter who or what you do or how good you were. Like, they will replace you. And so once you realize that, it's very healthy. Because, you know, it doesn't matter that that was the primetime show I was on, that the ratings were higher. because my paycheck was the same. And I personally didn't change my work ethic based on the ratings of a show. I was going to bring it no matter what every day.

You can ask my producers. I drove them crazy at times. But no matter what, I'm going to bring it. That's my reputation. That's my credibility. That's my pride. My parents watching. My dad who went through a hell of a lot more than I ever did.

And my kids. So I'm not going to change my work. ethic based on which show I'm on. Right now, I'm building a whole new show on YouTube, you know? Right. And I'm starting from scratch with that, with a good team. But I'm doing a lot more than most people do when you just, you know, you set up, you do a podcast, you talk, and you're out. No, no, no, I'm going through every single thing. I'm looking at every clip. I'm picking ins and outs and the font and this is, I'm writing my own captions. Like, I'm doing all of it. More than I probably should. But that's the producer in me because I care.

And I know what I think makes it good based on being a consumer for so long, but being a producer too. So I just work ethic is everything. And I think it comes across in the product and hopefully for viewers. You guys know that. You've worked your butt off for a long, long time. But on YouTube, 16 years? Yeah.

No one gave you that following. Right. No one did it. And I think that's kind of cool. Just like when I started in TV, I was on TV during the day and I was waiting tables at night. Oh, wow. would recognize me from TV earlier in South Bend, Indiana and in Indianapolis, like, decent-sized markets.

And so I'd be that girl out on the street. You know, it's winter, it's snowing, stay inside as I'm outside on the highway being an idiot, but that's what I had to do. And then I'd go home and I'd change clothes and take a quick nap maybe and then go wait tables till midnight because I was making ends meet. I was making $18,000 a year. Like, you know, car insurance, car insurance payment, you know, rent, all of it. So, like, I wasn't going to let anyone say she didn't, you know, she's changed or she, you know, now I'm doing that work.

And I know what I did for all those years. And I just hope my kids, you know. They see it, yeah. Yeah, I think they do now. Yeah. But I will never let them be lazy. And if so, good luck. Yeah.

Yeah, good luck. Like, get out there. My daughter now, my oldest is working at a horse show in Vermont. Mm-hmm. She rode horses for years. and needs to make a little money and wants to keep riding. I'm like, listen, now you're 22.

She has one more year of college. I'm like, I'm not paying for that anymore. So good luck. As an insurance agents always say, don't buy anything that floats and anything that eats. No boats, no horses. I bought a horse. It has changed my financial outlook.

Exactly. But my daughter, anyway, she's out there and she's working at 5.30 a.m. and working all day in the dirt, in the horse shit. and all of it. And my son's working at a factory this summer in West Hartford, Connecticut, producing ball bearings.

He gets there at 6 a.m., and he's off at 4 p.m. Like, go figure it out. Go to work. I did it, and look what happened. And I'm so grateful for it. But I also had a lot of people along the way that supported me, but many times you guys where I wanted to quit and run away and was so sad and so scared, up to the end, frankly.

Right. But, you know, I know I can always say that I did it honestly and with a lot of hard work, you know. No one did it for me. Yeah, yeah. That's a beautiful story. You weighted tables. Your dad, everything is just. And even like the horse thing, it sounds random, but when we lived in Belgium, I was so shy like you guys.

And the doctor was like, you need to like try horses because animals can be very. and especially with horses, with little girls, and bring them out of their shell because they feel responsible for the animal. So I was nine and they did it and they took me out to some, to the barn. And I never left. And that horse and being around horses and eventually getting my own horse back when we moved to, back to the States changed, like saved me. And my mother went back to work in order to afford it. So my dad's an army officer. My mother, you know, we're living in different countries. She couldn't have a career. We're always moving. But this time she knew she wanted to make sure I had that horse to keep my confidence up and show me hard work. So she went to work

so I could have, you know, like there's sacrifices along the way. People see you up on that TV screen and see you guys in your success. Oh, okay, they forgot where they can't, they forgot who they are. Yeah. You're damn right. I forgot who I was. You're like, I hope so. But don't you love, I love the fact that, like, I don't know, that the humble beginnings are everything. Yeah. I think that's part of what made us. Yeah. We came from nothing.

A lot of times when people are born with everything, they don't understand what it took to get there. Yeah, don't appreciate it. They don't. Yeah. Our first house, we didn't have a bathroom. We had an our house. Yeah. In the second house.

Oh, my gosh. The second house. You can put up my second house. Can you, don't put that shit over. I don't want to say that house. I remember. was it? Martinsville, Virginia.

Wow. Hey, NASCAR country. Yeah. Yeah, NASCAR. Yeah, we got NASCAR. And I remember every day when we get off a basketball practice, we'll be other kids in the car with the coach taking us home. Yeah.

And every time we got dropped out, what? You live in that house? Are you serious? Yeah. So we just start having people drop us off like a block away from ours. Oh, my God. Right. Yeah, we had a really, we were very poor.

Our mom didn't work. It was just our dad. And then our dad, he died on a 14th birthday. What? I didn't know that. Yeah, but he had a terminal illness, so we've seen it coming. But they were given to him by the place he worked. Yeah.

So we started off with a very humble beginnings. Do you have other siblings? Yeah, I have an older brother. He went to the Army. And I have an older sister. You guys are the babies. Yeah, we're the babies, yeah. But anything worked out for us.

And so now what does your house look like? I'm going to put that picture up. Oh, you ought to see my house now. Yeah? They were like, Connie, you live in this house? It's the same question, just for the different vibe behind it. Different vibe, yeah. Yeah.

So how proud are you guys of that, you know? Very proud. Like my immediate family, my brothers, my sisters, like my wife, my kids, I mean, just like 15 years ago, we was in a very different place than we are now. Yeah, YouTube is like the best invention, because without YouTube, I wouldn't be here. It was therapeutic for us because we're so shy. Yeah. And when we turned the camera on the first time, like 15, 16 years ago, it felt like people

were watching us. Yeah. Right? So it was like our therapy. Yeah. And it brought us out of our shell. Wow. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You got to have thick skin when you start reading those comments. You do. See, I don't read the comments. Yeah, I don't read them either. I don't.

I did. You lose brain cells reading it. Well, my poor mother did for many years. And I'm like, Mom. Don't. Don't. Because those people with no life. The sane ones don't comment.

Right. But then they come up to you and airports and everything. I bet people stop you, right? It's like. Yeah. Our fans do. I haven't ran into a nut yet. That's what I mean.

The fans do. But there's always more positive than negative. Oh, yeah. The crazies are the only ones that take the time to go. Yeah. You're like, oh, my God, get a life, you know? Yeah. But if you read it, you do take it in.

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You just got to pay for shipping. Yeah. Try optimal human for free today. Yeah. I mean, just for my, just for my Laura Trump posts. Like I only today posted the first video clip from it. The number of people who were like, I used to love you and I'm out. I'm like today.

That is so sad. I don't get that. What do they have against Laura Trump? Well, it's her just her last name. name, but the point to me is you can hate her all you want. You haven't. I guarantee you haven't listened to what she says on my show, probably anywhere else. It's the last name.

But right there, that proves to me that you don't practice what you preach. Right. You preach diversity and tolerance and inclusion and acceptance. When it comes to the most important one, which I've always said this, I've spoken about this publicly for 15 years, diversity of thought. Yeah. That's when you go quiet. And that's when you're like, I love you, sage, I'm out.

Or I hate you sage. you disappoint me. And one of the comments, this guy that literally has followed me for 15, 20 years, and we communicate once a month with the same birthday. And today he's like, I loved you, I've supported you. But the fact that, and I tried to ignore your politics, I'm like, okay, he said, the fact that you have someone like this on your show, they should never be allowed on your show. I'm like, listen what you just said, Mr. Liberal. Yeah. Like, that is the antithesis of acceptance and tolerance and liberal, you know,

These people don't even know why they're mad at you or Laura Trump. It's just what's been fed to them. And they believe it. But even if they believe it, that's their right. You should still not ever have in your heart to say they don't belong on that platform because I don't like them. Yeah. They're trying to hold you accountable for their ignorance. Correct.

Yeah. And when you get that vicaral that you get, it's mostly I'm assuming is from black people. I'd say about 80 to 85%. Yeah. Yeah. And that I will admit to you also, I've admitted a lot today. That's the most painful. Yeah.

It's sad to see people that you want to help be successful with the... Because I was their girl when I kept my mouth shut and I was just on ESPN doing my thing. You were the face for them or the black community. And they uplifted me. And it was wonderful, excuse me, wonderful, until I, until I, give an opinion on this, then wait a minute. Oh, she's not one of us. Do you know how many times people have said you are uninvited to the cookout, the barbecue? I'm like, you think you're original, you guys. That's not even, that's so lame at this point.

Yeah, we'll say one thing they said, not all skin folk or kinfolk or something like that. Yeah. Yeah. I get, that's, that's dumb Negro vernacular. That's exactly what that is. Like, when you look at the black community and like 95% of them vote for Democrats, there's no other demographic in this country that votes at a clip like, like that. No. They're such a monolith. It's like Latinos don't vote.

I think they're like 60, 40. But black people, it's like 95. In some places, it's like 98%. When it comes to election time, they vote Democrat. It's so. It's actually crazy. And once again, I told someone that I was in Atlanta doing this thing with Byron Donald and Wesley Hunt.

It was incredible, this cool thing we did. And I had them on my show. And they're just special, brilliant. men, men with capital letters, not boys. We need more men, right? Right, right. And it was, I said to, I said to somebody, I go, you know Martin Luther King Jr. was a Republican, right? He was like, what? Like, just do your homework. Now, Republicans then versus now are very different, sure. But again, let's just go basic. Tell me how your life is better under Democrat policies over the last, I'll just do three years. You want to keep going.

on back, how about 60 years? How is it better for black people in America? It's not. You're trying to replace more than Latinos. Yes. But if you would, so if you would like to continue to vote based on that, well then don't do not bitch and moan when everything continues. Is there a very thing you get? In these cities. Sorry. What they're doing, yes, with the, with the Hispanic voters is gross. And that's why we are a mess at the border too. We all know why the same. is happening. That's why a good job to Texas governor,

the Texas governor who's like, okay, what, you're fine with all this here, you're fine, you try it. Look in New York City right now. 65,000. Yeah. They was calling them racist, you know, xenophobic for not one and a half

immigrants. Now you're trying to feel the pain that we're feeling. We started, hey, you need to take some of this burden from us because this is not the policies we support. This is what you believe in. It's what you believe in. And now, and there's no accountability for it. We need more money.

The things that you hear these politicians in New York and everywhere else saying, it just blows my mind. So we can't convince people to take the time to educate themselves and do homework. I can't. But I don't want to hear it then because all I know is I don't care what color anyone is. I do not just make America great again. Because I believe that we were and are not currently but still can be. And maybe I'm biased because of my love based on my family background where my father is a retired army colonel.

Two uncles also went to West Point. One of their sons went to West Point. And my dad's brother, black brother, was there at the same damn time at West Point in the 1960s. That did not happen. And my grandfather was a Buffalo soldier. So I come from a long line of great black men who fought for our country. and so I'm not giving up. I refuse to give up,

but I'm not going to be in denial either and just go along with this BS that's happening right now. What do you think about when Biden was at that? I think it was a black church, and he said, they're going to put us back in chains. I mean, when I hear that, it's like so infuriating to me

that people fall for that. I don't even get mad anymore because it's comical. It's a joke. And it's just, It is. Yeah. It is.

That race called Democrats' pool is disgusting. Why is it so powerful against black people, though? It's like, y'all don't see how they're actually pimping the black community. Again, I don't know, but that's why, again, just let's everybody try that. Ask that question to somebody who's yelling at you, a black person who's yelling at you for being a Republican, a sellout and Uncle Tom, all the things that we've all been called, right? Yeah. Okay, tell me one thing he's done. Tell me one thing Barack Obama did for the black community.

Yeah. Black unemployment was lowest under Donald Trump. Nobody's given more to HBCUs than Donald Trump. I don't think it's nothing you can do to switch them. You've got to have an ounce of integrity to listen to take this information, use it. Well, and just maturity. Yeah. Like, again, put your emotions away.

I do think the most unique part, sadly, is that no other communities treat each other the way that the black community treats each other. That is true. I don't see it happening. We are complicated. Yeah, but you know what? This is not complicated. This part where you're attacking because you're not all on the same page. Right.

So we say, okay, like when we talk about the black vote, I pushed back on Wesleyan Donald and a couple of other people recently with this, the black vote. What does that mean? That means that you think that by discussing this that you're going to be representing all black people's votes, the black vote, don't tell me what you think I need or want because we have the same skin color. They don't do that. What does the white vote mean? Yeah. What does the Asian vote mean? Right.

Stop. But we accept that. Well, black people want this and this and this. How are you speaking for me? Yeah. What I want might be different from what you want, even if we're voting for the same person, actually. So why do we do? But most importantly, the hate and the tearing down of each other.

Yeah. I don't see that in other communities to the levels that we do in the black community if you don't go along with everything we're supposed to go along with and don't and if you are doing what you guys are doing yeah you know I lost a lot of black friends I gentrified my own audience but my audience has not really been um hasn't been from the moment we had a good rounded audience from the start

but when we went political yeah it got really white yeah you got to our comedy show it looks like a Bruce Springsteen concert does that upset you nope nope and they love I get in When I go into a comedy show, they give us a standing ovation before we even tell one joke, and they give us another one before we leave. The love we get from white conservatives, I've never experienced that love from black liberals, black people in general.

It's nothing but love. They really. At our comedy show. You can feel it like when you go out on stage. You can cut it with a knife. Yeah, you can feel the love for us when we perform for them. I can't even put in the words. It's like actually giving me kills just thinking about how much they support us.

Yeah. Well, it's interesting, though, because I think it's the same thing in my comments, even more today. And I told you I don't usually read them. But at the beginning, I'll be like, okay, okay, fine, click off. It's, oh, of course you like this stage, because as long as you're getting love from all the white people, then you're good. And it's like, is that, is that what you think this is by having certain opinions and saying certain things and speaking up for certain issues that are important to me. Yeah. then that's me pandering to get white people to like me. Yeah. And you know the crazy thing? And I'm like, black people, that's what they say. I'm like, no, no, I just think that we're not monolithic. Like, we all think differently and uniquely because we're all actually different human beings.

Yeah, right. Yeah. Right. I don't look at like a black and white issue. I just look at it right from wrong. Yeah. But it's people on the left that make everything about race. Because that's how they get the vote.

And then, and then you have the politician. who like to keep us in our place. And when Joe Biden says that, or where was he speaking at that commencement? Yeah, it was an HBCU, right? Yes, it was an HBCU. And he's like, And he made it about race again.

Yes, threatening and saying, you know, what they want to do to you. Yeah, yeah. And it was cool because they were. He said they're killing us and killing black people in the streets. He brings up trans people how they're dying at alarming rates. And I'm like, where? Show me.

I know. Yeah. Show me. I know. But, um, I think the scariest part is that people just take what someone says and run with it. Yeah. Instead of doing your homework on your own.

And maybe we disagree, but at least you have some facts to back it up. I find it funny during debate. They said Trump was the only one that was exaggerating. That's what politicians do. I know. Well, the worst part, true, but the worst part, and I saw, I think I reposted this young woman who she had friends saying to her, why are you not mad at what Joe Biden said about not one U.S. service member has been killed on my watch. And then she's like, no, I'm not mad. You know,

I was angry when I had to welcome his, my husband's coffin back here. You know, and it was just like, how that's the most, can you imagine if Trump said that? Yeah. Yeah. It's the most egregious thing to, I don't know, forget how many people died on your watch. Yeah. Just don't say it. Just don't say anything. And I remember when he was there at the coffins, he kept looking at his watch like he had to be somewhere else. Yeah. People's calling him out for that. And then he was at a funeral and fell asleep. And listen, at the end of the day, let's separate the fact that we think he's, you know, a terrible president. Yeah.

And I've said this from day one. I've said this from the moment I interviewed him in March of 2021. Like, this is sad. Yeah. And what we're witnessing is very hard to watch. And I have a grandmother who died from Alzheimer's. I'm very sensitive to that. And I've also said from that moment, shame on Jill Biden.

She's got on your wife. Evil woman. to put a husband through that. To allow it. Because there's a lot of ego there. There's a lot of pressure. Great. But that's your wife.

Yeah. If it was supposed to protect you. You take care. And when you see someone suffering to allow him to still go out there. And that's number one. But the 1A is it shows that they never actually were in it for the American people. Because if you're for the American people, you see what's happening. Yeah.

What's best for America right now? Right. That's not it. And when you have all your Democratic buddies saying, you and George Clooney coming out now and saying, you got to go. Like, if Hollywood people are, first of all, screw you, where have you been all this time, ignoring it? So I have no time. I'm not going to praise them, no time for that. AOC still has his back.

Alexandria Ocasio. She would never, she would never, ever, ever, admit. Right. You know, that would be an admission and that would be. No integrity. No integrity, and that would be, yeah, accountability. And none of these people have it. So I will say I'm nervous for November.

Yeah, I was going to ask you what do you think is going to happen? I'm very nervous. I literally want to just get there. I mean, there's still a chance they throw him in prison. There's a, I mean, who knows with the issues with elections the last time. Why should we trust that process? I don't trust that. I fear for his safety.

Yeah. It's a lot of things I'm afraid of. I don't know what the Democrats will pull. What they have proven is that they'll stop at nothing. Right. And that, to me, is the biggest concern. Because they got away with that crazy trial in New York City. Right.

With the liberal judge and the liberal judge and liberal prosecutor, like everybody, it was just you knew what was going to happen beforehand. And if that's the case based on those charges, then are we not ignoring some of the reasons why you should at least be, you know, prosecuting Joe Biden as well? We're going to ignore all of that. So I just want to get there Just hope for the best

But I worry at the same time Unapologetically Proud to be American Proud of so many people Who are doing stuff a lot harder than me every day Yeah Fighting and working and Trying to save us

But if If Trump does not win As a country Yeah Yeah. And again, I just look at the national security and, you know, whether it's China, North Korea, what's happening in Ukraine, the southern border, like we're screwed. Yeah. Yeah. We need, again, don't say his name. Plug your nose when you go to the ballot box, like whatever. But you know who you need to vote for if we want to try to save this country. And for no other reason. My dad said it as when we were kids.

It's all about your track record. You can say what you want here, but what's your track record? What's your resume? Right. Resumay sucks. Hey, tell us about your podcast. Where can people find you? Sage Steel Show, YouTube, and wherever you find your podcast. So I'm just, I'm having a blast talking to a bunch of people.

You have some great guests on your show. Thank you. I know. One of my producers, Chuck LaBella is the man and he's, he knows a ton of people. And then, you know, I know some people. And we're just trying to get people in who aren't afraid to have a conversation. I will say this. That's hard, right?

Oh, it's hard. Very few liberals have said yes. We've gotten a lot of nose. Yeah, yeah. And if you watch one, I am not combative. I am not trying to have a debate with anybody. You're great. That's not my desire.

I want a conversation. We might disagree here or there, but it's more, I mean, you can watch any of them. The proof is in the pudding. It's more about, like, I want to know about you as a person. Yeah. Like, what's your why? Laura and I, Laura Trump and I started talking about that mom balance. And right now is the co-chair of the RNC

jumping on planes and going all over the place. And by the way, that woman, she's not up flying private. She was on Spirit Airlines recently. What? Laura Trump. She's asking for it. But the point is she needed to get somewhere and then get home to her baby. So what did she do?

She got on Spirit Airlines. Like, she is down to Earth. Like, it's legit. So my point is... That is crazy. She's going to get hurt if she's going to get hurt. I know. I told her I was like, Laura.

Laura, there's other ones you can do. That's Laura Trump on Spirit Airlines? Hell no. I'm not saying she wants to make a habit of it. I'm saying that she will do what it takes to go to the speech, you know, help and have this meeting, whatever it is, get back to her kiddos. Like, she is committed. My point is we were talking about as a mom and the mom guilt.

And she wrote horses too and what horses did for her. And on her wedding, where she fell off her horse and broke both wrists right before her wedding. So she had to, like, conceal them with her beautiful wedding gown as she's marrying a Trump, you know? And we talked about her relationship. with her father and a moment when she didn't make the cheerleading team and how it changed her life.

Like getting to know people. That's how it was with Dana White, who I absolutely love Dana White. Like who is Dana as a person? Maya Bialik, the actress, she's an incredible podcaster now, Blossom, Big Bang Theory. She hosts a Jeopardy well-known Miami-Biolic.

Like she and I could not be more different. And we had a beautiful conversation. and about mental health and she's a son who's on the spectrum and how that has affected her and her divorce and co-parenting and I'm divorced. I'm just so grateful to be able to have conversations with all kinds of people.

I'm hopeful that more people on the left will come because I don't even hardly talk politics with most of these people. If Laura Trump, it's different, right? You're going to find when you talk to a liberal they have a firewall around them and they don't want you inside. I know.

I've had Kennedy, he was great. He seemed like a genuine good person, but I had another guy. He knows he's trying to reach out to all sides. He's been smart. Yeah, and I have one guy. It's like the more I pride is just Trump's bad, bad, bad, Biden's good, good, good, and then there's no in between.

Yeah. Yeah. It's just not using your brain. Yeah. But, I mean, frankly, like I hate to say that. but the only way we get better is with conversations with different people. Yeah, yeah. And so I'm going to keep trying.

But then I even have people who are kind of conservative but are quiet about it. And they're like, I love you, Sage. I can't come on. Yeah, they still worry about their career. You know what I'm going to say this. I'm sorry, people need to grow a pair. Right, yeah. Like grow a pair of balls and just come have a conversation.

These are grown men who are afraid to sit down with me. I'm like, I have nothing for you. Like, I love you. It'll still have. But stop. And these are black men. Oh, for sure. Yeah.

For sure. There's white men too. Yeah. Absolutely. But I'm saying for people who, you know, look at me. Yeah. Grow a pair. Look at me.

I'm still here. Yeah. But you live in a lot, though. But we know the risk. Right. I know the risk. What happens when you stand up? Mm-hmm.

I've lost so much money. Friends. I will not say I lost the career. I have a new chapter. Right. You get started the next one. Yes. And just a little earlier than I thought.

My deal with ESPN was going to be up June of 24. So I left about a year early. And I'm so grateful because there's no guarantees for tomorrow, you know. Right. I'll say this. And then I'll shut up because I just pray that like whether it's with my kids or anyone else. And I pray the same thing for you that we just have to be true to ourselves. And there is real freedom in stepping out.

and pushing through that fear because I was afraid for so long, like legitimate fear, especially, you know, as a single mom, again, their dad's there, but he was a stay-at-home dad. He didn't work. Still doesn't. So I'm responsible for everything for my three babies who aren't babies, three in college at the same time this year, and my ex-husband and a lot of things. So I should have probably stayed silent and just kept getting that big check. Right. but at some point, I couldn't look myself in the mirror.

And then I'm like, I suck because I'm not being a good example to my kids. I'm preaching and telling them to stay true to themselves, and it's okay to be different, stand tall, and have the conversation, what was I doing, hiding? Right. So then I'm a hypocrite too. So there's real freedom and stepping out, even if you don't have a backup plan.

And I didn't. But I also have a faith, and I think God's shown me so many times that he's got me even when I didn't think I deserved it, you know? But that's going to make me drink if I talk about that whole thing. You don't have wine for me. It's true. We just got to be true to ourselves.

And you guys have been very inspirational to me and a lot of people because you've done it despite the backlash. So we got you fired. I hope you're proud of yourselves. Excuse me. I did not get fired. Fix that. I did not get fired. Right.

I filed that lawsuit and I stood up. Yeah. And we settled. and I wouldn't change a thing. There's a lot of good people there. There's a lot of bad people there. Yeah. Your podcast is what, Bill Maher's media company?

So Bill Maher started a podcast network, and I was his first tire. Oh, wow. How about that? Yeah. Bill Maher, of all people. Yeah, he's for freedom of speech. He's like a true liberal. He's not progressive.

He's a classic liberal. Exactly. When I went on his show last September, he offered me, we're chit-chat, and of course he's high as a kite all the time. And during the old time. Oh, really? He smokes a lot of weed. He comes in high and he keeps smoking during the show. Absolutely.

Really? Oh, yeah. You don't watch, apparently. I didn't know the step part. Yeah. No, it's very, it's hysterical. And halfway through, he said something. He's like, you need your own show.

You should work with me. And I was like, he's high. He won't remember. And he said it again. I was like, you know you were saying this on air, right? So I have receipts. And he's like, absolutely. So we got done.

and we started talking right away. And that is the kind of person I want to be around. We have very different views on 99% of things. Not the border. He thinks that's crazy. He thinks the vaccine mandate is crazy. Right. And what's the other thing?

Why would you mandate something just temporary? Stupid. Transgender sports, yes. That's the third thing. That's the three issues right there. Those are three issues. And he is, we all agree. Bill Meyer agrees with us on that.

Many other things. He does have Trump derangement syndrome. completely. And even though those issues are the biggest, most important issues, he's still not going to vote for him. He'll still vote for Joe Biden. He's made that very clear, and that is nonsensical to me. But whatever, right? Again, you can't change certain people, and I wouldn't try to change him. But the fact that he saw me as a broadcaster, as a journalist, as a know what I'm doing, as a woman, as someone who's going to be a good teammate to his team. That's something that's done in this country. Yes. So I'm grateful for Crazy Bill Maher.

And I say that jokingly, right? I'm grateful because that's diversity of thought. That is when he chose to, he could have brought in a whole bunch of other people. That's what made this country. Yeah, yeah. So, yes, I'll take all the YouTube and podcast advice from you experts. Oh, definitely. You can fill me in, but I'm enjoying it.

I'm learning a lot, and it's nice to not have to be afraid anymore. If Americans continue to choose to live in fear, then we're going to. faster than I thought. Yeah. So thank you for leading the way. Oh, thank you. Thank you. It's been a pleasure.

Thank you for bringing me to Vegas. A good excuse for me to come to Vegas. Of course, I'm going to go back to my hotel room tonight and be like, I'm afraid to go out. I'm afraid to go outside. Right. Yeah. It's only 150 degrees this week. Yeah.

It's been so hot. Like, it's one thing of Vegas people say it's hot. Oh, it's been brutal. This is another level. The thing about Vegas, the summer is brutal, but after that, it's beautiful. Oh, I know. No, I used to live in Scottsdale. I was doing NBA just in Los Angeles.

Didn't want to bring my kids to L.A. So I just stayed in Arizona and I would go like Thursday to Sunday to L.A. real quick. And I was like, fine, complain about the summer leave. Right, right. Because the pools are all open and no one's there because it's so hot. But the other eight, nine months a year. It's like California. It is.

We laugh at the East Coast where I live. That's why I'm going to Florida. And people, oh, it's too hot. It is hot there. But you know what? Again, the other eight months. Yeah. I mean, go ahead and shovel that snow.

Yeah. I'm out. I got sick of snow. I'm out. My back hurts. My checking account was lighter because there was so much snow that I was like hundreds of dollars. Yeah. So, yeah, I'm with you and I will never complain about the heat.

Yeah. So come to Florida sometime, you guys. Oh, well. My new home. Yeah, I like Florida, but I don't like the gators. Well, don't go jump in a lake. What distracts me one day? He's going to come up.

Yeah. He's going to come up when you're at Whole Foods. and come bite you, you're right. Come on. I mean, you sound, you sound really soft right now. I don't want to go out like that. I just saw a video of a grandma who was walking her little dog. I saw that and he ate her.

She's gone. Yeah. There was a lady just, I was like. But you can't be. I'm not going out like at sage. We'll stay away from the little lakes at the apartment complex. Is that that big of a problem, though, really? The alligator.

How often do you hear? about it. People getting eaten not that often. Stop. What is too much? I agree. Do you have one of those little shit zoo puppies that you're going to walk down near a lake in Florida? No. No, I just

like, what is it? What's up with the gators? And now I find out y'all got anacondas? Are you afraid of dogs too? Like you're sounding very stereotypical right now? No, no. I used to be. I'm not. I used to be. I mean I'm cultured and I have like white friends

They got dogs in and they bring them around. But you still carry your 40 around with you, though? Mm-mm. You've moved on from the 40s? I don't drink. Oh. I never grunt. My dad had a drinking.

Listen, don't get all serious on me. Yeah. I was just trying to go down all the stereotypical things. You're like alligators and, yeah. I don't wear a wave cap. I don't sack my pants. No, don't do none of that. Yeah, no, if you sack your pants, we can't be friends.

Yeah, that's the thing is these kids, do they not know the history behind that? It's still culture. is from prisons. Yes, because that signified that you are... It was available. Welcome. You know, I want to bring this up before I let you go. Since we get on this topic, I think there's, I don't believe this country is systemically racist, hurting black people, but I think there's a system in this country that's making sure we stay at the bottom. Well, we're doing that to ourselves. Right. But it's like, when I bring that up, it's like our television, our music, everything. is to like, to put this nerd up in black people's mind on how to think, how to live, everything.

I guess we need to go deeper on that, but my thing is, who's writing the rap lyrics? Yeah. And who's, and then who's rapping? And then who's buying them white kids just as much as black kids. But I'm just saying, I go back to our time in the 90s when we're in high school and college, and we thought some of those lyrics were rough. I would take those now. over any of this stuff now, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Where it's next level disgusting and what they say about women. And the N-word is just, I mean, it's just like a normal word. But the sexualization of all of it and the violence, white people aren't writing those lyrics. Right. And we think, oh, they're just lyrics. Well, they call it music. They're more than lyrics. Right.

People do internalize it, especially if they don't have the right guidance at home. Yeah, but it's like a culture within a black community. And I feel like it's targeting black women. women to act and dress a certain way. Like sexy red. Look at sexy red. First they target at black men and you see what that's done to the black community. I think it's been detrimental to the black community. Black, uh, gangster rap. But now they're going after black women. You have sex or red being 10 times more racks than the guys have been. Yeah. And now they're going after black women. But see you say they, but is someone holding a gun to their head? No, but my point is this,

who's green light in these projects? Who's green light in this music? Mm-hmm. All those music executives, yeah. Yeah. And those are not black people. Like, like, okay. I would say this. They're Jewish, like a lot of them are, right? But my point is, will they ever green like this same music for like Jew rappers?

Would they ever green like that music rapper? Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Will these executives, these music executives, would they ever green like a Jewish rapper? I mean, black people not the only people can rap. And you can have a hypothetical, I guess, but right now, black people, I hope begin to recognize that this is only hurting the community. But, I mean, that's a decision that that person has to make. Yeah.

And that parent has to make. Yeah. I guess don't think the Jewish executives or the white executives, they're going to green like this music in the Jewish community or the white community because they see what it does to the black community. Yeah. Maybe, but it's just not an issue. They're not touching it.

Right. Like, they'll listen to a black. The key is why is it, why is it accepted? And, and again, look at who goes to these concerts. Look at who. White kids, yeah. It's white kids just as much as white kids, yeah. It's more white kids.

Yeah. And my kids go to some of those concerts, you know? And I'm nervous for some of them because. Right. But then I forgot which one it was. You know, they showed up two hours of late. Yeah. There wasn't even like an act before them.

He just showed up whenever. Yeah. High as a kite sing half the song. they're supposed to and leave and there's no accountability. So I don't know. All I know is that the lyrics matter. Yeah. And the toll that it's taking.

I think when you criticize them, like especially black concerns, we criticize them and we try to help them acknowledge that this is a detriment to our communities, no one else. And then they come back and they call you names and say you're not black. It's like it's a no-win situation. Yeah, on top of that, though, it's like when the white kids go see the black rappers, it's an act for them

for the white kids. Yeah. But if you remove that black guy and let's say make it a Jewish rapper, they'll never let that happen because that will destroy over time the Jewish community. Yeah. That's the way I see it. But the Jewish community will call it out. We'll call

it out and it's super strict. And, you know, people rip on many Jews because oh, and you're this and you're that and you always have to, you know, every CEO and everything and you're cheap and all those things. It's like you say what you want, the proof is in the pudding.

Right. As business executives, as leaders. And of course, it's not all of anything. Right. Right. Right. Right.

Right. I don't know. Once again, there's a tough question. There's a tough thing that are unique to our community. This shouldn't be unique. No, but at the end of the day, like my dad,

I'm sorry, my dad wouldn't let me speak a certain way. Yeah. Right. Yeah. It's grammatically correct. Right. Period.

Right. And if not, we dropped and gave him 10 pushups. Yeah. That military dad of mine was like, absolutely not. And you're not hanging out with bad kids. It didn't matter the color because it was all colors and races. Right. Because your track record matters.

Yeah, we had black fathers like your dad, people like that, calling this stuff out. And he called it out with you. He didn't let you listen to certain things or behave a certain way. And it's just like our community, our black men, this is nonexistent. And then there's some great ones that I'm not. until she got overshadowed. I did a really cool, I saw this father-daughter on the beach in Fort Lauderdale where I live.

And I was just doing my walk. I look, and she's six years old. And I was the most beautiful little girl. And I just watched, and he's having to do like a workout. And she ends up, I went and stopped. And just,

I was like, I'm sorry to be staring. Can I take a video? Like, I love this father-daughter thing. And ends up, she's like an AAU track star. She's six years old. And she's like a national champion,

whatever, and he has her working at. So I did a whole interview on my eye. phone and put it on my Instagram. And the response was beautiful because it is beautiful. Yeah. He just happened to be a black father. And I know a lot of black fathers who do that. Yeah. Who are, who is highlighting them, you know? It's just to promise a whole lot of them is not doing it. True, true. And then there's a lot of white fathers too, but it was for talking about the black community absolutely. But I really, my dad also made us like, we practiced our handshake. Oh, really? Oh yeah.

There's a way to shake hands and there's eye contact and there's things to say. And again, I was really shy and uncomfortable. But get over it. Like this is what you have to do to be productive in society. How about that they're bringing up in the black community. They've got to sit down with their kids and talk about how to act around cops. We never had that conversation. It was all common sense.

I think that's all made up to fit a narrative. Well, to fit the narrative of the George Floyd stuff. all that happened. Has it been racial profiling? Sure. Of course. Like, I believe it just happened to me last week in Connecticut. I'm literally 98% sure. And long story, I won't get into it now. But yes, it's going to happen. And it happens with Hispanics. It happens, depends on where you are, too. Yeah. And it happens with white people from other blacks. They profile white police officers. Immediately. And then they profile black police officers for being police officers.

And calling them a cell out for being in their community. Yeah, right. And then it's like, well, okay, then you wonder why these cops are saying them out. Right. I'm good. It's too dangerous. I don't need to take the abuse. And they've lowered the standards with a lot of the police forces.

Just like in the military now, they've lowered the standards because people don't want to do it or what they're going to do. That's very, very, very scary. So I don't know, but it's called accountability with all of this stuff. Right. and looking ourselves in the mirror and having tough conversations with ourselves and our spouses and our family members and our kids. And if you aren't speeding or driving erratically,

you probably won't get pulled over. And the domino effect from there. Like, just do it the right way. And if you do get caught speeding, which I tend to have, I get pulled over a lot because I drive fast. But she got out a lot of tickets too. With that smiling at her of yours.

Shut up. See, that's what you did. That's what? Was I speed? No, the last time, I did it in May, I was like, I was like, sir, you are right? And I said, this car, she wants to go fast. I can't stop her. Right.

He was like, I go, look at her. He's like, it's a hot car. I was like, you're going to stop her? I made a joke at the whole thing and he's going to get out of here. Yeah. But again, common sense. Every time those lights go on behind. me it happens a lot.

I'm like, I get nervous. Yeah. Yeah, it's just a natural reaction. Yeah, and so you'd be respectful and kind and it's like, I'm sorry. Like, I screwed up. I am sorry. And if there's an, and for the, tell me, I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but I don't know. I'm 51, almost 52.

I've lived in a lot of different places with a lot of different kinds of friends who've been pulled over. And when you just comply and do the right thing, right? 99% of the time, you're probably going to be okay. Yeah. You should be okay. By the way, are there bad cops? Of course.

Yeah. Are there bad teachers? It's bad doctors. There's bad journalists out there. It's a whole lot of bad journalists. But that's what happens because, oh, we're human. Humans are imperfect, right? Like, it's always going to happen.

There's always, but if you allow that 2% of the police force, the bad guys and women, to define all of the police, that's on you. And then what happens, though? The shooting began, what do you do? 911. What's taking so long? Right, yeah, right. That's the first people they call.

You said you don't want us. Like which you can't have it both ways. Common sense. Stop using the race card. Hold people accountable when they do. I think there's ways to do that professionally and, you know. And I don't know. We just put our emotions aside.

We cannot vote with our emotions. Common sense. And if you think it's better somewhere else, all you hollywood people, goodbye. Go. Yeah. See you later. Good luck. Yeah, good luck.

Sorry, I'm staying. Yeah. And me too. But thank you, Sage. This has been a great conversation. Thank you for taking the fame out for us. Thank you. Thank you.

But I mean it. You guys have inspired me and a lot of people for a lot of years. Well, I'm a geese and tips. Okay. I'll write you a check. Click on because I'm learning. Yeah. What do you say?

What would you say? Sage Steel Show. YouTube. Yeah. Spotify and wherever you get your podcast is on line. Yeah. I can say we're on YouTube. Hogs wins.

Just type it in. That's easy. The Sage Steel Show. Type it in. Yeah. I didn't say it with as much authority. Right. I'll work on my delivery, okay?

Right, right. Thank you guys. Thank you. God bless. Thank you.