Hodgetwins Podcast - Tucker Carlson x Hodgetwins: The MASSIVE Interview! | Hodgetwins Podcast | Tucker Carlson

Episode Date: July 10, 2026

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PAHDWT twins, PARTAST. It's gonna be a damn good show. Oh, I hear you great. I got my stupid glasses on because you can't see anything. Gentlemen, thanks for having me. Thank you for being with us. We appreciate it.

Oh, are you kidding? I'm honored. Really? Wow. I'm blown away. This is amazing. My brother, I was just talking to my brother this morning, who's like your biggest fan.

and your brother I can't believe you're doing my brother his name is Buckley Carlson he's known in my family as Uncle Buck and that's amazing

my only brother and my best friend and he yeah he's like your biggest fan I'm blessing yeah making a black man turn for you where are you guys

we're based in Vegas but originally from Virginia where martinsville for jenia martinsville small town rural era they got a they got a racetrack and everything oh yeah i've been there i'm going i'm going to i'm going to vaga tomorrow morning at three a m oh wow what brings out to vegas yeah uh the connor mcgregor fight oh okay that's right he's a he's a friend of mine and a good dude so i'm going out to see him all right i guess we'll get started um yeah you know what I wouldn't say I regret my vote for Trump. I would say I'm very disappointed.

Yeah. Yes. But what's the alternative going forward? Yeah, I understand you want to start our third party? Yeah, I mean, I want an option. Right. You know, I don't really understand politics very well, despite having covered it for 35 years. So, I mean, it's enormously complex in its details, like how do you start a

party how do you get on the ballot you know i don't know there are people who do of course who specialize in it but my my main point is there ought to be an option there ought to be you ought to be you ought to be you're able to vote for a candidate who represents you in some way and so i learned yeah in some way like if you wake up one morning and both parties agree on the big issues on how we ought to structure the economy give preference to banks over like you and how we ought to run our foreign policy, take orders from Israel, both parties agree on those issues, which are the biggest issues of government, then it's not a real system. There's not actually a choice. And I've always resisted using the phrase Uniparty because it seems kind of nutty. And of course,

there are differences. And by the way, there are actual differences between the parties. They disagree on trans or abortion. And those are real issues. Abortion is definitely a real issue in my opinion. However, on the economy and foreign policy, which I think everyone would agree are the main things that a government does, they don't disagree. They're in total agreement. And I happen to disagree with those views. I'm not. I don't think the banks, I don't think you ought to be taxed at twice the rate for having a job that you are if you invest money. I think that's sick. I don't understand how that happens. So I disagree with them on that. And I disagree on the foreign policy question. I don't think maintaining this empire for the benefit of other countries

is like in our interest. So I would like to have candidates who dissent, you know, who disagree with both Trump and Chuck Schumer, who were on the same side on these issues. Right. You know, what's weird to me is you mention this word, Uniparty, and you look at this war in Iran, and the Democrats are vocally, totally against this war. But there, you know, you're, you're, yet they're not doing anything about it. Is that just performative politics on that end? We've had anti-war protests in this country since before I was born. Okay.

I mean, we had an entire decade of American politics. It was dominated by anti-war protests. Then you have the war in Iraq. We have anti-war protests. I covered them. Where are the anti-war protests now? Well, they're none. This is less popular than Vietnam.

This is less popular than the Iraq war. But there are no protests. And of course, the answer is, is that protests are not spontaneous. Big demonstrations are organized by nonprofits. And those nonprofits are funded almost exclusively by Democratic donors. And those donors are in favor of this war

because they're in favor of regimes change in Iran, because they see Iran as the biggest threat to Israel. And so they, those donors, who donate to both parties, but mostly the Democratic Party, they may disagree with, they don't like Trump, and they disagree with this or that detail about how we prosecuted the war, but fundamentally they're for this. Chuck Schumer is for regime change in Iran. He said so.

So that's how you know that there really is a unip party. This is the biggest thing the U.S. government has done in my lifetime. And everybody in charges for it. Like that's not a working system. That's a broken system. Do you think the Jewish lobby is the main corporate behind this? Because when Trump came out and said there was a nuclear weapon, I was like, nobody can be this stupid to fall for that excuse to to start a war with Iran. I mean, was there honestly a huge threat of a nuclear war with Iran attacking Israel or the United States? Of course not. That's absurd. Well, first of all, we had a 12-day war last June that the

administration told us ended the Iranian nuclear program. So the Iranian nuclear program was not the primary threat to the United States. If you're worried about nuclear war, we're on the cusp of a nuclear exchange in Eastern Europe between Russia and Europe, because the United States and the big European countries are fighting a war with Russia. And we don't get to read about it in the American media because they kind of ignore that it's happening. And the Russians are now saying, if you keep this up, we're going to lob a nuke into Western Europe. This is closest we've ever been to nuclear war since the last time those weapons were used in 1945. This is the closest right now.

And we're ignoring it. So it's not like our leaders are afraid of nuclear weapons. Trump threatened to use nuclear weapons against Iran in public. on truth social. So that whole story they told us was not just a lie, but like an absurd preposterous lie that none of them believed. No, Trump did this because he was pushed to do it by his donors and people whose advice he listens to. And their primary interest was not what's best for the United States. Trust me. Yeah, like I heard Trump use the words, we're going to liberate the people of Iran. I hear this. By bombing a girl's school. Yeah. Right.

Right. I hear this and I'm like, how are these people falling for this? This is a Muslim theocracy. This is their culture. This is the way of life. Israel and America and the United States are going to liberate the people of Iran. But MAGA falls for it. It's all over social media. We're going to help these people. And then it's like, do these, do MAGA really care about Muslims in Iran? It's like all the farce, a lie. It's absurd. It's absurd. And by the way, if you do care about the people of Iran, why has no one asked the administration to apologize for murdering a bunch of schoolgirls next to an IRGC base in the opening days of the war? Everyone accepts that, you know, accidents happen in war. They call it collateral damage.

Right. It's awful. But why not just say, I'm sorry for that. Sorry, we double-tapped a girls' school. I think most people, including Iranians, would accept, oh, my gosh, what a tragic mistake. But no one ever apologized for it. So clearly nobody cares. And that's a moral crime. It's a stain on our country. We're the ones who did it or the Israelis did it, but same difference because we were in this war together.

And so you can't claim I care so much about the people of Iran that I have to liberate the country, whatever that means, liberate the country from its own system. I mean, the whole thing is so deranged, actually. And by the way, is Iran, look, I don't live in Iran. I've never been to Iran, and I don't seek to live there. On the other hand, you know, Canada, the country with which we share the largest border, it's our biggest trading partner, just killed 100,000 Canadians the government did through its

made program, through euthanasia. Over the last 10 years, 100,000. Did the Iranians kill 100,000 of their own people with lethal injection? I don't think they did. So, like, let's get some perspective here. You know, I'm not defending Iran. I'm just saying, like, compared to what? Iran is an authoritarian government. It's a theocracy famously. Are there more religious nuts in Iran

than there are in Israel or the United States? I'm not sure, actually, because I watched Americans, who I know personally like Mike Huckabee, say, you know, Jesus is commanding us to kill Iranians. That's insane. I see people in Israel saying it's literally insane, but it's also religious extremism. I mean, it's the definition of it. I see people in Israel all the time. Cabinet ministers say, no, no, no, we have to kill every person in Iran or Gaza or the West Bank or southern Lebanon because they're Amalek, which is an Old Testament concept where God orders you to kill not just the person you're fighting, but his wife and his children and his babies and his livestock, his entire bloodline. That's religious extremism. That's insanity. So I'm sure they have a lot of that in Iran.

They also have a lot of that here, and they have a lot of that in Israel. So like, slow down before you start calling other people religious extremists. Do you know what I mean? Right. Right. They like to use the term terrorists, but it's like, how can we actually criticize around calling them terrorists when we do the same things they're doing? Well, I hate to agree with you. I mean, this is my country.

I love this country. I'm not leaving. However, there's some truth in what you're saying. And it's, again, it's an offense against us, Americans, decent people. the majority of the country is like very sensible and kind and nice to their neighbors and gives directions to strangers, nice to dogs. Like these are good people in America. And yet our leaders are behaving in the, I mean, you've got cabinet secretaries who I know personally standing up and like, we killed people. It's so great. Bragging about killing people, shame on you. That's disgusting.

I mean, you can say, well, okay, we have to kill these people to defend ourselves. Okay, I get it. We've got a home invasion. We're shooting the invader. Got it. But to crow about the the death of other people, that's not Christian. That's like pagan. That's like Aztec. That's totally un-American. It's totally unchristian. It's disgusting. And anyone who does it is going to be punished for it in this life or the next. And it grieves me to see people I know personally, who I like personally, actually, who I voted for. You know what I mean? Talk like that. It degrades our country. Right. I think you have a lot of good insight with Trump because he used to talk to him a lot.

Israel has been lobbying our presidents for decades to attack around. Why do you think Trump fell for that and caved? Oh, man, that, I, you know, I wish I knew. That's the question. Trump is weak, obviously. I mean, I've always known that. He seeks the approval of others. He attacks the New York Times, but then reads every mention of himself in the New York Times.

You know, that's a sign of insecurity and weakness. And clearly he is insecure and weak. And he's lots of other things, too, that are good. I mean, Trump is a complicated person. And there's a lot about Trump that I really like. Still, but I knew that he was weak. Everyone who knows him and watches him carefully knew that. Was it just that?

I don't know. I mean, Trump went into this knowing, and I know that he knew it because I talked to him about it, that if this went wrong, it would destroy his administration, his legacy, this country. Like, he knew the stakes really, really well. And he did it anyway. And I don't think there were many advisors around him in the white. House who were pushing hard for this, Markerubio wanted it, I think, but he wasn't standing on a desk screaming at Trump to do it. The people who are pushing him were the Israelis and their agents in

this country, Mark Tiesin and Mark Levin and Rupert Murdoch and all the people who carry water for the Israeli government. And Trump listened to them, not his own vice president. I don't, or his own family, I don't understand it. And I felt from the first days that there was something else going on that I that I couldn't prove but there was some weird behavior that Joe Kent the former counterterrorism head has talked about in public about the Butler shooting and the lack of an investigation and the lack of transparency into what the investigation found that makes you wonder is there a connection between that and Trump's very strange decision to to wreck his country on behalf of Israel like why would you do why would you ever do something that?

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Wayfair, every style, every home. Yeah. So far, with the war with Iran, How do you think it's going? Trump has said repeatedly that we've won the war we've annihilated their military. I think he's full of shit. I think we lose it as war,

and he's just saying these things trying to say he faced. Of course we've lost the war. I mean, we've lost the war by any measurement, including his own. Like, just go back to February 28th. What were the goals that he said this war was intended to achieve? We haven't achieved them. In fact, the United States is in a much, much weaker position in many ways than it was four months ago. So no, we lost. The question is

how badly are we going to be damaged by that loss? And that, to some extent, is up to us, not entirely up to us, but to some extent, I mean, the key fact is the United States, despite the decades of propaganda about how we're energy independent, we have enough oil, we're still dependent on oil from other countries because the price of oil is set internationally. And there are kinds of oil, grades of oil, oil with certain levels of sulfur content that we need that doesn't come from the United States. So anyway, the point is the U.S. is going to face terrible consequences economically starting in a couple weeks, like August, if the Strait of Hormuz isn't restored to what it was. And even if it is, tomorrow, there's still, for a bunch of different reasons, going to be. massive and negative economic effects on the United States, damage to the United States.

So, like, that's the main fact that Trump's facing. So he kind of has to open the straight of Hormuz somehow. The problem is it's not up to him. And we've shown that the world's best funded military, which may or may not be the best military, I mean, judge for yourself, but, like, it gets more money than any military in history, $1.5 trillion. That military can't open this waterway, which the world needs, not just for oil and gas, but for sulfur and fertilizer.

and all these different commodities that make life in the modern world possible. If that's closed, people starve to death. It's just a fact. And by the way, Trump knew this going in. I talked to him about it before the war. And I think everyone else who talked to him, talk to him about it, because it's like the central fact of what's the most important fact of Iran? That there are a theocracy with a missile program and nuclear ambitions?

No. The most important fact about Iran is its geography. It's on the northern edge of the Strait of Formuz, which is the only waterway out. of the Persian Gulf, which is where a fifth of the world's energy comes from. So like, where it sits on the map is the most important thing about Iran. And for almost 50 years, we've had this hostile relationship. We impose sanctions, but Iran allows international shipping through the straight. Well, now they don't. So everything, the world has changed completely. Iran went from being this like outlaw state that everyone

made fun of it, everybody hated, to being one of the most powerful countries in the world. But just a fact. That's what Trump and BB's war did to Iran. So your options now are what? What are they? New Iran? Which is allied with China and Russia? I mean, I don't think so. Yeah. So there's a lot of proof that we could be run out of oil in a couple weeks, a month. Well, yeah, we've got something called a Strategic Petroleum Reserve, which has been around a long time, was greatly expanded under George W. Bush. Basically, it's a bunch of old salt caverns that are filled with oil. And the point of this, reserve is to provide a cushion to global energy markets. So American consumers of gasoline and diesel and jet fuel and heating oil and asphalt and everything that we use that comes from oil don't see sharp

price fluctuations, right? It's a it's a cushion. It's a reserve. It's a strategic reserve. Well, so Biden drained it. Trump did not refill it. And now we've drained it almost to the point where we can't take any more out for a bunch of geological reasons. If you take too much oil out of the strategic petroleum reserve, the caverns will collapse. And it also gets salty or the farther down you go, whatever. It's not that interesting. But the point is, we're basically at the end. We are weeks away from not being able to draw down. And at that point, American consumers are just at the mercy completely of the international oil price, you know, the price of Brent crude. So it's like, this could be super bad, and not just with energy, which is the basis of everything.

I mean, everything you buy is made with energy, and it's fossil fuels. It's not made with solar, sorry, despite the lies they've told you, it's fossil fuels. But not just that, fertilizer. So most fertilizer used around the world comes from oil and natural gas, actually mostly gas. But the point is, if you raise the price of fertilizer, people get less food. Now, when countries like America, you know, we can survive it in places like Africa, a lot of sub-Saharan Africa, people are going to starve for real. And so the implications of this are like world historic. And I think Trump understands that, which is why he agreed to the MOU,

the memorandum of understanding, which was a humiliating defeat for the United States, but it was better than what would have happened if we kept going. But the Israelis hated it because it constrained their behavior. The first paragraph in the MOU is, you got to stop the war in Lebanon. That's the first paragraph. And the Israelis didn't want to do that. So this country of nine million people has prevented a peace settlement

that's to the advantage of the United States. And now it's been blown up. And now two days ago, Trump's like, yeah, we're out. Okay, so what's the plan now? What is the plan now? I mean, it's actually one of the most upsetting things I've ever seen. I don't know how much coverage is getting in the American media, but like what is the plan? There's no military solution to this.

If there was, I guess we would have exercised it, right? I think if there isn't. Yeah, I think the only military solution, it would require a lot of American soldiers dying. But even at that case, I don't think you can bomb your way or fight your way out of this. It seems like to me, Iran is trying to fight an economic war while United States and the neocons and the Zionists and the people just all full of this, war, they think they can actually bomb their way into more power, but I don't think this war, this particular war is going to work out that way. I think it's more of an economic war. That's such a short observation. I totally agree with that. We're fighting past each other.

So Iran has what the 26th or 36th biggest economy in the world. It's not a huge economy relative to us or China or Russia. But what they do have, again, is geography. And so they understand, like we're probably not going to beat the United States in a head-to-head pitched battle, like a tank, you know, standoff. So we're not going to do that. What we can do is strangle them economically. And they've understood that since the first day. And we haven't because we've talked ourselves. And Trump has been a part of this. Like his, his mesmerizing boasting, which is meant to kind of make you feel good and, you know, kind of cast a spell over you. You know, we've got the greatest military of all time, the greatest military of all time.

It's like, okay, that may or may not be true. I don't know. But I do know that it doesn't matter how great your military is. It can't answer every question. It can't solve every problem. It's not, do you know what I mean? It's like the old line about when you're a hammer, everything's a nail, but everything is not a nail, actually.

And the Israelis have fallen for this more than anybody. Israel is a tiny country with a tiny population. It's, you know, impressive in its way for a country of nine. million people, but they don't really make anything. Just implements of war and espionage. That's it. There's no real economy. And there's no throw weight. It's a tiny, tiny country. So, but they've talked themselves into this idea that because we have this incredibly powerful military, which is really our military, we can do whatever we want. And I'm not even criticizing that on moral grounds. It's obviously disgusting as a worldview, but it's just not true. It's just not, that's not reality.

You can't, it doesn't matter. As J.D. Vance said the other day, you can't kill your way out of every problem. That's just true. Sorry. What, what, um, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what you up to the, uh, is the problem that Israel imposes on the United States? Because I, I just became hip to this maybe, probably within the last year. I was really oblivious to it. Well, I mean, it's, it's a matter of degrees.

I mean, Israel is always for my, I was born in 1969, so for my entire, life, Israel has exercised undue influence over the U.S. government. It became very clear to me talking to people in the U.S. government maybe about 10 years ago that Israel did have some role they believed, and these were very knowledgeable people in the assassination of President Kennedy in 1963. I can't prove that. All the documents haven't been released, which does suggest maybe there's some truth to it, but whatever. So I've known things like that. I was never hostile to Israel, especially if they were involved in Kennedy's assassination. It's a total outrage. And I think there's evidence that they were. But, you know, that was before I was born.

I was able to kind of ignore it. Again, I never hated Israel. I don't hate Israel now. I feel sorry for them. But it was really the Iran war that because at that point, I mean, I even ignored the Gaza genocide, probably to my shame for a long time. It's like, I don't want to even think about that. But when they hijacked the Trump administration days after the inauguration, I was there. I was in Washington. BB shows up. You know, we got this new president. Everyone's excited.

He's assembled this coalition that included you and Bobby Kennedy and all these kind of non-traditional Republican voters are voting for Trump because they want him to make the country better. And all of a sudden, this foreign head of state shows up. And it's like, no, take all of your time, all of your energy, a lot of your money, and shift it towards solving my problems. And it's like really up yours, pal. get out of here. Who are you, you creepy little weirdo? Get out of here. Like, this is our country.

This is the United States of America. We're not going to take orders from you. Leave. And I would say to Trump and people around Trump, get this guy out of here. Who is this guy? Oh, and BB Nutt and Yahu. It's like, shut up. Go back to your stupid country. Right. But he didn't go back to a stupid country. He kept coming back to Washington. And I watched over the course of a year as we got closer and closer and closer to this regime changed war. And I, like, I couldn't believe it was happening. I couldn't believe it. In fact, up until the moment we launched, which was overnight Eastern time on the 28th of February, I couldn't believe this was actually going to happen.

But it did. And at that point, it's like you've damaged, this relationship has damaged the United States so much, in so many ways, obvious and non-obvious, that we just can't have this anymore. And I don't care what names they call me or an anti-Semite. Well, actually, no, I'm not. And I'm never going to be an anti-Semite. I'm an American. and by the way, for whatever it's worth,

know a lot of Jews who agree with me, but I don't care who agrees to me. It's just like it's obvious that this relationship is poisoning and damaging our country. It's also humiliating. These people are disgusting. They're literally committing genocide,

as the Nazis did. Why are we in league with them? Like, what is this? Get out of here, please. And you should all be on trial for what you're doing in Lebanon, the West Bank, and in Gaza. Like, you should be on trial.

We're taking a moral exercise. from you. Like, it's so crazy. Yeah. Trump called, yeah. I'm sorry, go ahead. Yeah. No, that's it. Yeah. Trump called BB a war hero. That is, well, you have to ask, like, what is this about of all the people in the world, all the heads of state, you know, most of them are flawed people. All heads of state are

flawed people. All people are flawed people, right? Right. Right. If you're to pick a head of state to lavish with praise, the guy, the guy, you know, committing genocide would probably not be on your list i mean this is literally and it's not just netting yahoo it's his entire cabinet a lot of the population of israel according to public opinion polling agrees with the genocide like it's a it's a country in a state of derangement of mania just like germany was during the nazi period just like rwanda was during the genocide like this happens to countries it's not just israelis like this is every person is capable of this kind of behavior but they

happen to be doing it right now and why would you be aligned with them like it's it's unbelievable it stains you so so much it's so bad for you to be involved in this in the united states is making it all possible our government is paying for the murder of tens of thousands of children in the middle east like why would we ever as our country rots our airports are embarrassing our roads are falling apart we don't even know who lives here we can't seem to get people to leave the country who are here illegally they're all on benefits like the whole thing's like kind of kind of decaying at a very quick pace and we're spending our money and our time killing kids on israel's behalf like it's too much it's just too much yeah um let me ask this question um trump um i was from the outside looking in

of course you had a close relationship you talked to this man but from the outside looking in when I see Trump, I'm thinking his leadership style is that he surrounds himself with a bunch of a bunch of cowards and sycophants. Is that a fair estimation on my part or am I like totally way off? Because nobody stopped him from doing this. I think there's a I think that's, you know, roughly speaking true. You know, there's some people I like enormously. There's some smart people. There's some patriotic people. There's some more. meaning people, you know, they're just people, but there's some good people who I really, really like,

but there aren't clearly many people or any people willing to walk in there and say, what are you doing? What is it? You know, with respect, what is this? And I'm not quite sure why. And, you know, there are people, in some case, I know very, very well,

and I don't really understand why they have allowed this to happen. I mean, I get, you know, the counter would be, well, like, what do you do? Well, I don't know. know what you do, but the first thing you do is march in there and say, this is a crazy, this is crazy, you know, and in their defense, he doesn't react well. I mean, I said to him last June in a phone conversation, you're being led around, I think I said verbatim, you're being led around by the nose by Netanyahu and everyone can see it. And it's humiliating because it was

being led around by the nose. And he really hated that. But like, okay, you know, I've gone off on some pretty crazy jags in my life. I was like a slobbering alcoholic. So, and people corrected me. Like, no, you can't pass out in a restaurant or getting a fist fight at a dinner party or whatever you do when you're drinking too much, which I did. And you don't want to hear it. You don't want to hear it when people correct you.

On the other hand, they have an obligation to correct you. And you have an obligation to take it like a man. Right. So, like, that's just what life is. Occasionally good people go way, way off course. But you don't ignore. it you say no you know don't sleep with the opair or no you can't do cocaine in the morning or whatever the person's doing that's like totally over the top right you say no and for some reason that

dynamic does not exist around trump and i don't really understand why i i never found it hard to disagree with him but you know i don't work for him so maybe that's the difference i guess i think perfect example what's going on is mtj and thomas massey i think they yeah yeah That sends a message to every Republican. I will ruin your career if you cross me. But who cares about your career? I mean, the whole career, your career, your career. I'm 57, I've never had a career.

Keep being fired from my job. Like, who cares? Just do the right thing. Like, I don't know. Who cares? Whatever career, I mean, I worked in television most of my life and everybody there is like obsessed with their career. My career, you have an agent managing your career

and a manager to manage the agent who manages your career. It's like the whole thing is about your career. And in the end, like, you just, at best, you retire with some stupid little party and no one remembers your name the next day. Like, your career doesn't mean anything. It's all vanity. It's so stupid. And so, like, let's just start there. Whatever you think you're doing that is so important is not important at all in the scheme of things.

No one will visit your grave in 100 years. And in 200, not one person will remember your name. So just like wake up every morning with that in mind. What matters is doing the right. thing and it begins with telling the truth. Maybe not the whole truth all the time, but not lying, not participating in lies. That's the most important thing because that's what God demands. Yeah. So I don't know, I don't think that's a complex perspective. I don't think you have to be a genius to get that. I know dumb people who live that way, live virtuously, but I know very few

successful people who live that way. A lot of them have made this deal with Satan, either figuratively or probably in some cases literally with Satan, but it's all the same. They've made this deal where I'm going to make these profound moral compromises in exchange for success in this life. Success. And it's never a good trade.

It is not a good trade. You don't win in the end when you do that. It's better to be poor and mocked than it is to participate in these kinds of lies. You know what? I saw your interviews with Marjorie and Thomas Massey. And it's so disheartening to see them go because there was such exceptional representatives of the America first movement. Yeah.

And for Trump to turn that back on them and say, oh, the vicious lives about Thomas Massey and calling Marjorie a traitor. I was like, it just blew me away. It's like, how dare he call Marjorie or Thomas Massey a traitor? Oh, I agree. I agree. And it was because of Israel. I mean, and they're both traitors to Israel. That's true. They're not loyal Israelis, either one of them. And that's what this was about. The second Massey criticized APEC on my show, Trump, you know, and he'd clash with Trump on, you know, because Massey is a sincere ideological person. He's got beliefs, fixed beliefs that aren't subject to, you can't bribe your way into controlling Thomas Massey. So that makes them a little bit harder to deal with. You can't like, it's hard to make deals with a guy who really believes something. So there's that, which is real. But the second he criticized.

Apak, it became, we must destroy Thomas Massey. The second Marjorie, Taylor Green, MTG, criticized the genocide in Gaza. That was it. They were done. So that what, just to be, I just want to be clear on this because I know them both very well. Talk to them yesterday. Like, I watched this really carefully. It was Israel. You are not allowed to criticize Israel. And if you say that out loud, you realize how totally deranged that is. Why would it, why would your opinion about a foreign country have anything to do with your standing in an American political party? Like the Republican Party, I'm perfectly happy to have a Republican party that has people who love Israel and people who despise Israel. That's okay with me.

I don't, in the same way that I'm happy to have dinner with people who like love watercolor and some love oil painting and, you know, some like Burundi and some like Madagascar. It's like, who cares? That has nothing to do with the core mission, which is improving America. Right. But it turns out the Republican Party has become, and the Democratic Party, too, you just saw this with Graham Platner yesterday, criticized Israel, you're done. It's like both parties have, you know, a lot of priorities, but the number one priority is supporting Israel. It's like that is not a system that can continue because it's crazy. Yeah, you bring up. That's crazy.

Yeah, you bring up Platner. Is that why he's being attacked? Because he's not pro-Israel. Of course. I grew up in Washington. And Ted Kennedy, who killed a girl, was the most revered Democrat. The lion of the same. He literally killed a girl. He drove off a bridge in 1968 in Martha's Vineyard onto a Chapic Island and left her to die. She drowned in the car.

And everyone knew that for his entire political career. And he also was sexually assaulting women left and right, including one I know on the floor of a restaurant called La Brasserie on Capitol Hill. I'm from there. I watched this. And that was fine because he, I don't know, opened the borders, made a lot of passionate noises about abortion. So like it was totally fine. His long documented history of sexual assault and murder of a woman was all fine. So, you know, excuse me if I'm a little bit cynical about the Me Too stuff.

Now, the problem of the Democratic Party is that it's run by, well, it's staffed by its most energetic members are unmarried women. many of whom have had abortions and so that's kind of the core constituency and they'll always tell you no it's black people we love the black people that's obviously not true it's white women who are unmarried or have weak husbands and are who are unhappy and see the democratic party as dad that's the core of the party right there and so in a party like that what do you do with high testosterone men well you can't have them period and grand platner's two sins were doubting israel And whatever you think of Graham Platner, like, I'm not on board with a lot of his program. But like he fought in Iraq multiple times for real, too.

He didn't work in the motor pool. He was in a unit that sustained some of the highest casualties in the entire war. Like, he's a man, okay? Right, right. They hate that. And so you want to take that guy out, the kryptonite and the Democratic Party is sexual assault. Well, if you look at the details, and I'm not defending Graham Platner because he sounds like a very flawed guy and maybe a really bad boyfriend or whatever. But like if you look at the actual details of those allegations, they're insane.

They're insane. And by the way, if you were raped, you have a moral obligation to call the police because the guy could rape other women. In fact, rapists, I think, I keep reading, rapists never raped just one woman. They rape a lot of women. So if you care about stopping rape, you probably want to arrest rapists. So if you were raped, I know it's hard, but you have an obligation to turn the guy into law enforcement.

So let's just say that out loud because it's true. Right. It's not an attack on women. It's a defensive woman. As someone who hates rape and thinks it's not punished harshly enough, which is my view, I would like see rape is punished.

But they don't seem to be, except in the closing hours of a primary fight in a Senate race. So like, okay, call me skeptical. But anyway, they took Graham Platner out because of Israel, obviously. And what's so interesting and sad and corrupting is a lot of the people who cheered it were Republicans.

Neocon Republicans. And they were like, Oh, no, really? I believe all women. What? You do? You're for me too now? Are you really now?

Yeah. They have ulterior motives. They don't want to let people know. Of course. It had nothing to do with that. And by the way, principles are what matter. Truth is what matters. Of course you don't believe all women or all men.

You evaluate the evidence and you make people prove their claims because slander is also a crime. So if you, we also just spent 10 years complaining about that standard on the right. The two things we complained about. We complained about identity politics. And then the second Trump got elected, all of a sudden, everyone disagrees an anti-Semite. It's just another form. We just exchanged black people for Jewish people. It could be any people, but that's just identity politics.

And the other thing we complained about was this Me Too insanity where you take people out on the basis of unproven claim, slander. And everyone goes along with it because we believe. all women. It's and all of a sudden Republicans are totally for this. And can I just say is someone who actually does love women and is surrounded by them? You know who doesn't believe all women? Women. They don't. Most men I know, I include myself in this, are much more likely to believe what women say than other women are. Did you ever talk to women? Do you know any women? Ask women how they assess the claims of other women. They're like, she's lying. It's not men who don't believe women.

It's women who don't believe women. So stop it with your dumb posturing. I'm not falling for this. Right, right. Great point, Tucker. Hey, is it possible to vote our way out of this? I mean, everybody said, don't vote for candidates supported by APAC. It's like, if that's the case, who do you vote for?

I mean, that's really the question that I've been, I mean, I'm so worried that there's not a way to vote your way out of it. because voting is preferable to shooting. And I'm totally opposed to violence. I'm opposed to violence in Gaza, opposed to blowing up girls' schools. I was shocked when the Capitol Hill police murdered Ashley Babbitt. I hate that.

I hate violence. I just hate it. I've seen it and I don't like it at all. So I don't want to get my nightmare is civil unrest in the United States or a civil war, any of that stuff. I hate that stuff. Political violence is a nightmare.

But you get political violence when people feel that they can't vote their way out of it. So offering people a safety, a pressure relief valve out of their problems. Like, calm down, don't do anything crazy. You can vote for this candidate. He may not fix all your problems, but at least get us a little closer to fixing those problems. At least listen to you. That's essential.

And if you wake up and you have a system where Donald Trump and Chuck Schumer, these supposed enemies, have the same views on every meaningful question, and they're both telling you to shut up anti-Semite, I think, and a candidate like Graham Platner, who again, I'm not a Democrat, I'm not voting for Graham Platner. However, Graham Platner was offering something slightly different, maybe, slightly different, like maybe we don't worship banks and Israel. And that guy gets taken out in a sexual assault scandal

that is just transparently an op. Like, people look at that and they're like, I can't even vote for Graham Platner. Really? I can't even vote for Bernie. They did the same thing to Bernie Sanders. And by the way, both Bernie and Graham Platner fell for it. Because inside they're weak, like a man would not fall for that.

They called Bernie Sanders a sexist. That's how they got them out of the Democratic primary, if you don't remember. And a man would have said, I'm not a, you know, shut a bitch. I'm not anti-women. And by the way, you know the one thing that women in my extensive experience with women really don't like is weak men. Right. And if Bernie Sanders had said, you know, I love women, I'm not a sexist, how dare you say that, buzz off, I'm not getting out, he would have gotten substantial female support. If Graham Platner had said, you know, I'm sure I've been a pig, and I'm so sorry that I hurt this woman's feelings, but I'm not a rapist.

And this is actually about Israel, and I'm not getting out, up yours. He would have had substantial female support. Women do not like weak men. I can say that conclusively, having lived 57 years around women, they don't like weak men. And the Democratic Party is staffed to the extent that there are still heterosexual men in the in the Democratic Party, almost exclusively by beta males, by weak men. Right. And that's the main reason all the women in the party are so unhappy. Weak men create unhappy women.

And unhappy women, if they have children, raise weak sons. So this is a self-perpetuating cycle, and it's a disastrous cycle that makes everybody miserable. Strong men make everyone not overbearing or cruel or dictatorial men, but actually strong men. Legitimately strong men, decisive, calm men make everyone happy. Okay. And that's the one thing they don't have in the Democratic Party. And I thought Plattner might be one of them, but he's clearly not. I can't believe he got out.

Oh, that's the first I heard of it. He stepped up. Yeah. Yeah, he said the system is against him. None of the donors are going to send him money. He can't get the voter list. Okay, I get it. you're up against a lot.

What did you think was going to happen when you took on the system? The people are going to go along with it? No, you take on the system. You've got an uphill fight, son. But you've done that before. You served in war. I mean, you can do this.

That's what I would say if I were advising him, which I'm not. JD Vance. If J.D. Vance was president, are we bombing Iran? Do we invade Iran? Of course not. Of course not. Not for itself. Obviously not.

I mean, that's the tragedy. And that's why they hated J.D. Vance from the beginning. I mean, J.D. Vance, whatever you think of how he's behaved since February 28th, it's very obvious. It was very obvious when he was chosen in July of 2024, that he is not the guy who's going to start a regime-change war against Iran. And starting a regime-change war against Iran was the number one priority of Trump's donors and of the NEOCON class, which has been discredited for 40 years. It's hard to believe they still have any power in this country at all, like zero.

They should have zero power. I mean, there's no group that has been responsible for more disasters in the history of this country than the neocon foreign policy establishment. So those people had as their goal from the second Trump was elected to push Trump to do what he did on February 28th. And they knew that J.D. Vance was not for it. And that's why they pushed Trump to pick Marco Rubio, who, of course, is completely controlled by his donors, his neocon donors, like truly a puppet of his donors. They pushed him to be Secretary of State and a National Security Advisor, both at the same time. And they've hated J.D. Vance because he's not fully on board. But by the way, I don't think J.D. Vance is some, like, crazed enemy of the neocons.

I wish you were a little bit more a crazed enemy of the neocons. He's a pretty moderate guy by his temperament. And he's like, no, I don't think it helps America. We're not going to do it. That is too much for them. Any disobedience drives them completely insane. It drove them insane with Charlie Kirk. who was like very pro-Israel, kind of moderate on the question,

but he said things like, I don't want any more forever worse. Boy, they hated Charlie Kirk. People like Ben Shapiro hated Charlie Kirk for that. Now they pretend you were such close friends. You lie. You lie. They hated Charlie Kirk because he expressed skepticism of their program.

Same with JD events. Skepticism. Like, they can't even tolerate that. That's what true extremists they are. Any dissent is unacceptable. Whereas I think a normal person, like you may have a wife or a friend, is not with you on every issue. Like, we disagree. We agree to disagree. Normal people agree to disagree.

They are not normal people. They will not agree to disagree. They will crush you if you don't bend the knee to them. And there's kind of no coexisting with people like that. They demand total obedience. Like, who demands total obedience? Only God gets my total obedience, son. Right.

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How did Jameson to your match day lineup? Jameson, it's what you bring. Please enjoy our products responsibly. Well, the goal is destruction and dominance, of course, and it's dominance by destruction. So the goal is to destroy Russia and to break it up into a bunch of different republics. The goal is to destroy Iran and do the same thing. The goal is to keep the rest of the Levant, you know, the area surrounding, Israel in chaos and bloodshed, disorganizations, they can dominate it, and the goal is to do that

to Europe and to the United States, as far as I can tell, certainly to Europe, they hate Europe. And they've always hated Europe. They say they hate Europe. Everyone in Europe seems unaware of this. It's like, no, they hate you, actually, which is one of the reasons that they convinced the Biden administration to blow up Europe's main energy source, Nord Stream 2. And it's a massive upside from the Iran War from their perspective, the neocom perspective, is that that it starves Europe of energy. And it's destroying. I mean, Europe is collapsing right now.

Germany lost 10% of its industrial capacity last month. So this is like moving toward Great Depression stuff going on in Europe, in addition to the migrant stuff, which has transformed Europe into something less than it was. That of course was also pushed by the neocons. So like, people are not seeing this clearly. Destruction and then domination are clearly the goals. This is not a group,

that's ever built anything, like, at all, like zero, zero. I mean, true, I mean, and ask some, I mean, take a look at the people who push this stuff. John Bolton, who's the former national security advisor for Trump in the first term, does John Bolton have a vision of building? No. Does Mark Tieson have a vision of building?

No, these people are wholly about destruction, blowing stuff up, taking out the tyrant. Okay. then what? What do you build in its place? Something beautiful? No, they're incapable of building something beautiful. They're incapable of wanting to build something beautiful because they're the enemies of beauty and of truth. This is like evil in a way that these are not foreign policy disagreements. This is a clash of worldviews. Is your job on earth to tell the truth and create beauty and to love other people, including your enemies? That's the Christian view. This is a

non-Christian view. It's a pagan view, and it's an evil view. It's Zionism, right? I don't know that it's Zionism. I mean, I think it's way deeper than that, and I don't think it's just about Israel. I mean, I intentionally gave an example of two famous neocons who were not Jewish, because I want to be clear that this is not about all Jewish people, right? I mean, I have a number of Jewish friends who I think are 100% on board with my view of this, they agree with me. I talked to Glenn Greenwald this morning from Brazil, who I think I doubt he disagrees with the word I'm saying. So it's not, it's not about whether they're Jewish or not or Zionist or not. I think it's way deeper. I actually think that's, I mean, yeah, of course, I'm totally opposed to Zionism. It's insane.

What some Eastern Europeans have a right to some plot of land thousands of miles away, because why? It doesn't make any sense. So yeah, I'm opposed. But I don't really think that's Zionism is just one manifestation of something deeper. This is evil. Whenever you see a movement dedicated to destroying, we can say that's Satan's team. Okay. So you want to be on the side that does what God did when he made the world, which is creating, building, unifying, loving. Like, it's, it really is a binary. Are you in the side of killing and hurting? Are you in the side of uniting and healing? That's it. Building, destroying. Killing. Killing. healing and i would i see it in those terms and you know people pretend that they have motives that

they don't actually have but if you look at the fruits i they've never had a new conservative foreign policy adventure that did anything creative positive all of them were dedicated to killing people and then not rebuilding so that tells you a lot we're in afghanistan for 20 years what we leave behind shipping containers and concertino wire we never built anything so you know just just on the base of that fact alone, it's evil. That's evil, because evil destroys. Right. Like, I don't like to mix religion with a pen, because it gets all, you know, it gets confusing, but there is, one is in our Bible that you're referring to, and it referred to it as the synagogue of Satan. And it rings true. That's, that's a term that's in the book of Revelation,

written by John and the Alapatmos. And, you know, I'm not really sure, what that means. I mean, I think you could, I'm hardly a theologian, never going to be one. Right. But I think you could, you could understand it even in like human terms, which is you will often see people come to you in the guise of liberators.

I'm here to make your life better. And in fact, they're actually doing just the opposite. So I think maybe the way to think about it is you have a synagogue, a religious institution, designed to worship God and do good that is actually doing bad. And I see that all around me. Whatever it is they're trying to get you to do that will kill you, they tell you it's liberating you.

I don't know, hate your husband and you'll be liberated by feminism. Kill your baby and you'll be liberated by abortion. Bomberon and you'll be liberated from the threat of the Iranian nuclear program. Blow up southern Lebanon and we'll be safe. Everyone is exactly the same lie. It's evil disguised as good. Right. And so that's kind of how I understand it. Again, I mean, I understand the stuff as a child understands it, not in a very sophisticated way, but I see that all around me. Is JD Vance America First? Is he the answer for the Republican Party?

I mean, I have, oh, I mean, I, you know, this is, I think, publicly known, but I advocated very aggressively for J.D. Vance, both to get Trump's endorsement when he ran for Senate. for VP in the summer of 2024. And so, I mean, my views on J.D. Vance as a man, I think, couldn't be clearer. I think he's a very decent person who loves the country, who is the right values, and has pretty much the right ideas. I mean, I disagree with him on some things, but... Do you think he can put America first? Can anybody?

And at this point in a political party that is dominated by Trump, I can't believe I'm saying this because i've always liked trump and i still like trump but the truth is after this war it's impossible to say the republican party trump's republican party maga is acting on behalf of the united states it's acting on behalf of israel and that's just a fact it's a fact i mean it's not that's not a conspiracy theory they said that marco rubio said that on camera so we went into this war following israel so it's like that is the opposite of america first that's america in the support the subordinate position the female position sorry the bottom in this relationship and that's the opposite of what we thought we were getting and what they told us we were getting it's like it's so it's such

a betrayal that anyone attached to that is going to have a hard time reestablishing trust even if he's a good man and jd vans is a good man but i think it's hard it's like you know you're you're part of that i mean how could you betrayed us and it's the betrayal that makes it so bitter for people like me and maybe you who voted for Trump and I campaigned for and with him. You know, it's like, really? We really believe that you were going to at least try. And in the end, it's all about cryptocurrency scams and wars for Israel. I mean, I can't believe you did that. Hiding the Epstein stuff, yelling at anyone who asked questions about the butler shooting. Are you kidding? I'm an adult. I'm from this country. Like, I own this government. I own

exactly as much of the government as you do because we're both citizens. How dare you speak to me the way you work for me? Like that's how I personally feel about it. Like I'm outraged. That someone I supported would do something like this, would betray the country and his own voters. And then to whip around and say, I'm not loyal. I'm not loyal. I am loyal. My whole life is marked by loyalty. I'm married to my high school girlfriend. I believe in loyalty. Okay. You're disloyal. You sold out the country to a foreign nation. It's just too much. And I don't think I'm alone in feeling this way.

And so anybody attached to that is going to have a pretty tough time. And by the way, I think it's really clear that Trump is for Rubio because Trump's donors are for Rubio. They're not for Vance. They know J.D. Vance would never have regime changed. Kill the Ayatollah. You killed the Ayatollah? Are you joking? You're a nutcase.

You killed someone else's religious leader, the head of a world's religion? do you get to like, I don't know, do they get to kill the chief rabbi of Jerusalem now or the Pope? Right. Like, what are you doing? Right. Nutcase. Yeah. The Ayatollah.

And I'm not Muslim. I mean, obviously, I'm a Christian. Right. But we don't kill Ayatollahs. We're not at war with religions. What the hell are you doing? Who's the religious extremist here? Right.

If you find yourself waking up and assassinating Ayatollahs, you may be the religious extremist, actually. You're absolutely right. There's this viral clip of this rabbi going around, talk about killing Christians. I don't know if you've seen it, so we want to show that clip with you and get your response.

You got that, Joe? Six and idol worshippers who makes God angry every second of their life, Indian, Chinese, Japanese, Tibet, Nepal, Thailand, so many, India alone is 500 million,

China is 2 billion, so many, 2 billion Christians, which are idol-worshipper, between Chinese, India, Hindus, Buddhist, and Christian, at least 6, and a half billion people are idol-worshippers that according to the Torah

do not have the right to live. Idol-worshipper, Goy, it's that penalty, not only Jews, even a guy who bow down to an idol who believe in JC deserve that penalty. Six billion. I mean, that's the perspective we're dealing with with this genocide we have going on in Gaza, right? I mean, this is how they feel. I don't know who that guy is or who he represents, but that's obviously true religious extremism.

Right. That's ISIS level or worse, actually. You know, again, I have no idea who he speaks for. Nobody, I hope. The Christian view is a universal view, and it is that all people are created by God and are capable of redemption by God. All people, no matter what they look like, no matter what religion, their parents worshipped, they're all eligible for redemption through Jesus. So it's a universal religion, and because it is, it is universal standards. So murdering the innocent is always wrong, no matter what they look like, whether they're in Gaza or,

Kansas City, it is always wrong. It's a universal principle. God does not have a favorite people who are exempt from the rules. That is an anti-Christian idea. And so as a westerner, a Christian, but just as someone who is an inheritor of Western civilization, I look at universal principles as the only thing that preserve my way of life. And I think Israel's view of Israel, I don't know what the Israeli people think, but the Israeli government has a view that only the lives of Jewish Israelis matter. And, you know, they're not the only government to come to that conclusion. We've had, again, we had the Nazis felt the same way. But like, no, we have to reject that. We cannot accept that because that is, that worldview is the enemy, not just of Christians,

but of like the West. So yeah. And I would just say again, that there are for reasons that I don't fully understand there are a lot of people in Israel and a lot of neocons in the United States, not all Jewish, by the way, but who really hate Europe. And I would argue hate the United States. I mean, there were people on the right, neocons on the right, who were saying when the Gaza genocide started, we need to get the Arabs out of Gaza, okay, because they're animals, they can't live here.

They're too dangerous. Israel cannot live next to these people. Let's move them to the United States. People said that out loud, out loud. So what are you saying? You're saying that, I mean, that's an expression of hate toward the United States. These people are so evil that they can't be within physical proximity of Israel, but we should move them here? That's an act of hostility, an expression of hostility

toward us. I feel like all of this, and we can't see it because we're way too nice, but if you're encouraging the U.S. military to regime change Iran for the benefit of Israel, you hate the United States. It's not just that you're loyal to Israel. You hate the United States. We are bankrupt. We can't afford any wars. We can't afford. forward to take care of our own people. And yet, you're pushing that. You hate us. Like, I, I'm pretty good at feeling what these things really are. And I don't care what they tell you they are. This is an act of hostility toward the United States. I got a question I want to ask you about Trump and his family and MAGA supporters. Like, when I think of MAGA, I think of blue collar, white, hardworking

Americans, guard-faring, rural areas they served in the military, their kids are serving in the military. How do you explain them embracing someone like Trump who dodged a war and Trump's family who's never enlisted in the military? Like, Byrne's not enlisted in the military. Why do you think there's such a strong allegiance from this base of voters for people like Trump, Trump and his family? I think there are a couple of reasons. I mean, I'm one of them. I'm not from a working class background, hardly, but I like a lot of, I mean,

Trump's voters are like still my favorite people by far in this country. They're great people. I live right in the middle of them. Most honest, decent, patriotic, loving toward their families. There's great people. Why did they fall for Trump? Why did I fall for Trump?

Well, a couple of reasons. One, there was a masculine energy there. Nations need a masculine energy. They need the feminine, too. balance, of course, but they need masculine energy. Masculine energy is the energy of creation of rules, of standards, of principles, universal standards. It's not arbitrary.

It's abstract in some sense. That's a masculine energy. Dad's home, you violated the rules. You're getting punished. That is the statement that restores order to the household. And increasingly, our leadership class is emasculated. It's unhappy women and castrated men. everyone feels this, by the way.

I don't think women like it any more than men like it. In fact, I think women really hate it. But whatever, that's where we are. So Trump shows up and in his kind of defiance and craziness and grabbing by the pussy vulgarity, which is disgusting, of course. But it was also read by a lot of people. It's like, oh, finally there's a man here. And he's a pig.

A lot of men are. But like at least there's a man, finally. You can't look at Joe Biden. No, I'm serious. Right, right. Countries need men. Families need men. And they need women, too.

but it's a balance. We're totally out of balance. And just like you wake up and everybody's gay or like gay adjacent or something. And even if you're like, I don't, I'm not mad at the gays or whatever, which is how I've always felt always been pretty liberal with the gay stuff. It's like you really want to live in a country where everybody's gay or sort of gay? No, it's crazy. And all of a sudden, like it becomes treacherous and catty and it becomes exactly what you think it would be in a country where everyone's gay. Right.

So I think Trump was a relief from that, okay? Second, I think people suspected for long before I even knew, like I was very late to a lot of this stuff, but they suspected that it was a rig game and that both sides were colluding against everybody else. And they're absolutely right. Trump has proved that, paradoxically. But Trump seemed like an alternative.

Like, and the way you knew that Trump was sincere in his desire to drain the swamp, is that the swamp tried to put him in prison. And they created this whole fake J6 thing to make sure he could never run again. And J6 was fake. Sorry, totally fake. And the document charges that they charged him under

and the Mara Lago raid and all this stuff was all fake. And everyone could see it was fake. It was totally fake. And they, you know, whatever. And so if he's being attacked in a real way by the swamp, he's clearly not of the swamp. He's clearly an alternative to the swamp. People voted for Trump not because they love the Republicans,

but because they were dissatisfied with the Republicans. Trump wasn't a Republican. Trump took over the Republican Party and made it into his own image. And that was why people liked him. They're like the party of Mitt Romney versus the party of Chuck Schumer. That's the same party, dude. And Trump seemed like an option. So I think that's why.

Plus he's hilarious. He's hilarious. Like he's the funniest person ever. So that helps, I think. Yeah, all the money's made in his second term and like the crypto scams and his son's on all these boards getting government contracts and they got, you know, men's and shares in these companies. Why do you think Maca still supports that when they were so adamantly against Joe Biden and his family and his son for doing pretty much the same thing? But what Trump and his family is doing, it makes them, it makes 100 bionably like a choir boy. Every arrival is a statement, and nothing says it better than this.

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Maga is whatever Trump says it is, I guess. I think a better way to think about it is, of the people who voted for Donald Trump in 2024, how many are dissatisfied with what they're seeing. And that would be 100% of the people I know who voted for Trump. You know, they may not hate Trump. I mean, I think there's a lot of residual affection for Trump. I mean, I couldn't be more disgusted by Trump's betrayal. I couldn't be sadder about the grave damage he's done to the country.

And I still kind of like the guy because I can't help it. So there is a deep well of affection for him personally, his lunacy, his stream of consciousness, comedy rants. Like everyone likes that stuff. Let's be honest. Or at least I do. I always did. So they're disappointed.

They don't hate him. And by the way, they think the left, you know, the whatever, the angry girl. party in the Democratic side, they know they don't want that. So it's like they're kind of betwixt in between. But what percentage of people who voted for Trump in 2024 feel let down or betrayed a lot? So that's the real MAGA. You could say I'm MAGA. No one even can define it. Did you vote for Trump in 24 or didn't? Yeah. And if you did, you're in MAGA, at least as it was originally defined. And I think a huge percentage of those people feel really sad about what's. happened. What do you think's going to go down in the midterms? I mean, I think the Republican Party

is going to get spanked like the bad little girl it is, you know? I mean, of course. I mean, of course. The President's Party always, almost always loses some seats. But the Republican Party is pathetic. It's craven. It has no dignity. It doesn't even speak for itself. The Speaker of the House is like the weirdest, creepiest, most dishonest person ever. And he's not even a man enough to be dishonest or creepy openly. I mean, whatever you think about Lindsay Graham, at least he's like out there defending his insane homoerotic positions, right?

But someone like Mike Johnson, who's literally the number three guy from the presidency, he's the head of the Republican Party in some ways in the Congress, that guy, it's like, would you want your kid to grow up to be that? No, of course not. The whole thing is just contemptible. It's contemptible. The question is, what's the alternative?

And I don't see much of an alternative. I mean, I really don't. I mean, there's some really pathetic people on the Republican side. There's some truly freaky people on the Democratic side. I think the whole trans thing was mostly an op, really. On the other hand, there are a lot of people in Democratic Party who sincerely believe or feel compelled to pretend they believe that a man can become a woman just by wishing it.

You're mentally ill if you think that. That's actual crazy stuff. So I don't know. We're about to find out just how, crazy the Democratic Party is because they're about to take over. And it's Trump's fault 100%. It's 100%. Just like do it you say or make a good faith effort to do what you said you were going to do. And people will be grateful for it. I mean, people gave Trump so much latitude anyway. Right. You know, he ran on build the wall. He didn't even try to build the wall. They're very defensive.

If you say that, no, you didn't. You didn't do anything to build the wall. And there's no wall. So shut up. So those voters who voted for Trump in in the first race and then voted for for him again eight years later, like they forgave him that. And they're always happy to forgive Trump. So he didn't even have to do that much to retain the loyalty of his voters because they wanted so desperately to like him. And he did it. You know, he did the one thing that you couldn't do, which is just like waste the lives and the money of Americans fighting someone else's war. It's too much. Are you familiar? I follow a guy's name is James Carville. He's a Democratic Strategist.

He's been going on these rants about Trump and when they take over into midterms. Do you see any, the Trump family or Trump facing any thing that will be considered against the emoluments clause in the Constitution? I don't know. I mean, I know James Carville very well. I worked for them for years, traveled the world with him. I know him really well. And he's a, there's a lot of good about James Carville. But he's just a partisan.

He's not, he's not a serious person. It's just like my team is better than your team. Oh, shut up. Nobody cares about your dumb team. Your team sucks. What matters is America. You know what I mean? And like, there's no vision for making anything better.

I mean, Carver would defend it doesn't matter. Right. You know, Jeffrey Dahmer became the Democratic nominee. It'd be like, no, we're for cannibalism now. It's good. FDR would have approved. It's like, it's so stupid. That whole way of thinking is so stupid.

It's like, here are the obvious problems that the country faces. Drugs are right up there at the top. employment right up there at the top prices of everything especially housing right up there at the top what's your plan for that no plan then shut up you know it's just like it's just a power struggle between rotten shallow small-minded people and i think a lot of americans get that as for what happens to the people in trump's orbit once he loses power you know i i don't know i can i've got a terrible track record of guessing i will say that as long as he keeps i mean the number one most important thing in D.C. is staying aligned with Israel. And if you're not aligned with Israel, then they do

to you what they did to Massey and MTG and Graham Platner. If you stay aligned with Israel, they make a bunch of noises, but ultimately you're fine. And that really is kind of what it's about. I didn't used to think that, but I've just watched for so long and watched pretty carefully and known a lot of the people. It's that. You know, one of the most famous people in the Democratic Party for generations was the chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, a guy called J. William Fulbright, Senator from Arkansas. He wasn't quite supportive enough. And the Fulbright scholarship was named after him.

He was like this famous guy in the Senate for generations. He gets sideways with Israel. They just funded, you know, a primary opponent, and he's gone. 1974, he's gone. So that is it. You know, stay in the right set of Israel. You can do whatever you want. Carvel told me that as a young man.

I said, what are we, what are we doing with Israel? And he goes, you want your kids to get into college? Shut up. We were sitting on an airplane flying back from San Francisco. I'll never forget it. I was like, really? He's like, yeah, really. So, and Carville knows exactly how the system works.

He's really smart, actually. I can confirm that. He's really smart. Right. Even at 83 or whatever he is, he's really a smart guy. And he's been around forever. And Carville knows that you can't criticize Israel. which is why he doesn't criticize Israel.

I think he secretly thinks Israel's disgusting. Most people do. But that's the game right there in one sentence. And so I think as long as, and Trump knows that, of course, also. You know, you just stay close to BB and, like, in the end, you'll be fine. What does that say about our country? You don't even have to hate Israel. And you certainly don't have to hate Jews, which I don't at all.

And I never will. Right. To say that that is disgusting. It's humiliating. We have no sovereignty. Why don't have to suck up to your stupid little genocidal country in order to live peacefully in mind? I shouldn't have to do that. It's not hate, by the way, to say that.

It's the opposite of hate. I just want dignity in my country that my ancestors built. Right. Pretty much Fourth of July is just a lie that we celebrate every year. I don't want it to be. I mean, I think it could be true. I think we've had, you know, life is complicated and decisions are complicated. leadership is complicated i mean everything's complicated right but we've had higher degrees of sovereignty

than we have now and i will say i want to thank trump for making the underlying dynamics obvious to the rest of us i mean some of the stuff's been going on a long long time a lot if it is true that israel was involved in some way with the assassination of an american president and i think there's a lot of evidence that that is true that's crazy think about well it's crazy think about it that means for 63 years nobody said anything they still haven't released all of the jfk files it's obviously been an attempt to redact any mention of israel from those files tom cotton who's the head of the senate intelligence committee the senator from arkansas has been directly involved in that directly involved in hiding jfk file files like i'm not guessing about

this i've said this before he's like that's not true it is true i know it's true because i know the person that he yelled out about it. So it's like for 63 years, we have had American officials hiding the potential involvement of a foreign power in the assassination of our president. What does that say about us? Get some self-respect. You're not anti-Semitic if you don't want your president assassinated by a foreign country. That's not anti-Semitism. That's just normal. You know what I mean? Like this is crazy. We've been living in this crazy world for a long time. And a lot of us had no idea. And Trump, unintentionally, I think, made it all very obvious. The underlying dynamics are now clear.

We went into war with Iran because BB pushed him to. Who knows how exactly he pushed into, but he did. And I think for most people, it's like, holy smokes, that's how it works. Yeah, that's how it works. That's how it's been working for decades. Yeah. Hey, so do you have to-

It doesn't have to be this way. By the way, can I say what they? It doesn't have to be this way. Yeah. We don't have to have- We don't have to have control over our country by a client state. We don't have to have hatred between people. Again, you're not an anti-Semite for wanting to make your own decisions.

This is bonkers. But it doesn't have to be this way. The way we're living is totally out of whack, out of balance. It's wrong. It's not working. We can actually live in a more balanced, sensible way, a more honest way where everyone's not required to lie all the time. We have to lie and pretend that's not happening. APEC is really working for the American people.

No, it's not. Don't make me lie. We don't have to. Not every person at every time in history has had to tell lies that's stupid, and we don't have to. I think a majority of the problems that the United States have right now is affiliation with Israel and their hatred. And you pointed this out at Amfest that,

especially with the Republican Conservative, I found that they have a real hatred for Muslim people. Yeah. Well, I'm not participating in that, and I'm not a Muslim. Right. And there's just been this effort. Yeah, I mean, as a political matter, it's super obvious. If you convince conservatives the main threat to their lives is Muslims,

then it puts you automatically in the side of Israel. I guess that's their thinking. Yep. But I don't want any foreign power engendering hate in my country. Get out of here, okay? If I was having a dinner party and someone spent the entire meal trying to make everyone at the table hate each other, I'd say, get the hell out of my house. I don't want that here.

Right. Right. So I just object on that level. And moreover, there are a lot of bad Muslims. There are a lot of really nice Muslims and decent humane Muslims. And in general, I like people who prostrate themselves before God, who show reverence before God. I'm not God. I'm not God. I'm not God. I'm not my God. I'm bowing before God, even if it's not my God, I don't hate you for that. You know, I don't believe in your religion. I'm not a Muslim. I believe in Jesus. But you are not my natural enemy. Anyone who has reverence before higher power is likely to be on my side because that person doesn't think he's God. And he's not like some crazy, hubris, addled nutcase like Beebe or Trump who thinks that he can like open the straights before moves on true social. Like, no, you can't. Stop. Right. I really, when I saw you in Amfest, when you brought that up, I was a man, it took a lot of courage for you to say those things because I've started noticing over the last, what, I was like, man, Republicans really hate Muslims and he hate them because of what's being fed to them from Fox News and other, you know, right-leaning media sources. And it's all a lot.

If Muslims are so bad, then why can't we declassify all the 9-11 files, Ben Shapiro? If Muslims are the problem, then why don't you declassify all the files, which we own? The U.S. government is no right to keep those files classified. Zero right. Moral right. They belong to us. And let's declassify everything related to 9-11, and we can see just how about it. the Muslims are why don't we do that and if the story you've told us for 25 years is accurate then

the more detail we have about 9-11 the more we're going to hate the Muslims right those 19 Arabs with box cutters so why don't you declassified why are there more than a million files to classified what's the answer to that I've said that like a hundred times people to sort of look at me like shut up but I'm not going to shut up this I you know this I was in Washington when it happened I had a friend on the plane I don't have to shut up I'm American know what I mean? But of course, releasing the 9-11 files in their entirety, making everything transparent, which it should be, we have an obligation to release that to the public, which owns this country. That's like the last thing they want to do. In fact, almost everything they say

is the result of the secrecy under which our government operates. In other words, they make all these claims, but if you ask, like, can you back it up? You know, Trump was shot by this Thomas crooks guy who just had no social media profile and he just hated Trump because he was pro trans or something okay well why don't you release all the files then i'll all aside for myself shut up conspiracy theorist not was 9-11 really what they told us it was how did building seven fall shut up that's an insult to the people who died is it i think hiding the facts as an insult to the people who died right so don't lecture me if you're not going to tell me the whole truth right the same tactics over and over for I'm not playing. I'm too old. I'm not doing this anymore. I've done it too much.

Tucker, do you have any political aspirations? Like a lot of people see a leader. He said zero. You don't want to destroy your life, right? No, I'm not running for president. It's like the last thing I would ever do. I don't want to do it. I don't think it'd be good at it. It's not, I mean, I'm a journalist or whatever, whatever I do now. I don't even know what I do for a living. But I've been a journalist my whole life. It's the only job I've ever had. I didn't graduate from college. It was the only job I could get.

I wound up in this kind of accidentally. I've enjoyed it. If you do the same job for decades, you get better at it. I feel comfortable. I don't think I have any real effect on anything, obviously. I couldn't stop the war with Iran. But I know what the job is and I enjoy doing it. Politics.

I've never been involved in politics. By the way, the lesson for me, having watched really carefully and been in the White House with Trump many times, is that the U.S. president in our current system doesn't really control the country, obviously. Like how much power does the president have? You can't even tell Beebe to go away. Some guy runs a tiny little weird ethno state in the Middle East. You can't get out of here. No, you can't come in the White House. This isn't yours. Leave. You can't even do that. So if you can't tell Netanyahu, who everybody dislikes, including his wife, to leave, how much power do you have?

not too much. Like, I wouldn't let BB in my house. So I think I may have more power than the president of the United States. If Netanyahu called me and said, I want to come over for dinner with your kids, I'd be like, no, you're absolutely not allowed in my house. I don't want you in here. You give me the creeps. Trump can't do that.

If Netanyahu calls and says, I want to come have dinner, Trump has to say yes. So who's, again, who's got more sovereignty? Me or the President of the United States? Wow. You hit the nail right on the head. So who'd want that job? Right, right, right. A politician.

Yeah, right. Someone who's desperate for the approval of strangers, which I'm not at all. Well, we do appreciate you taking the time to let us interview. Because I've not really seen many interviews of you. I've seen a lot of people sit down with you and like throw gotcha questions at you the whole time. But nobody just sat down and listened to your perspective on things. Yeah, it's a great pleasure. you. That was really fun and you guys are insightful and I just want to say on camera that I told my

brother I was doing this this morning and he's like he loves you guys. He's your biggest fan. Buckley Carlson. So now you have two fans in our family. So thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you, Tucker. You have a great rest of your day. Thanks, you too. See you guys.