Hodgetwins Podcast - TWINS POD CLIP | Are Muslims and Christians More Alike Than We Think... Or...

Episode Date: May 26, 2025

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Time for Twins' part. Yeah. Like, I look at, like, Muslims and Christians, I think we have more in common than, let's say, Christians with Jews. Judaism. Judaism. Yeah. I'm not trying to be.

I disagree on that. Okay. But only because I would have agreed with you 10 years ago. And then I started debating Muslims and learning Islam. Okay. So I'm ignorant when it comes to Muslims. I mean, I just think that they're both. both in the same level of disagreement.

Oh, I see. And if you look into a lot of academic treatments of the history of Islam, they'll talk about how embedded it is to the Talmud. Really? Yes. So I believe Islam is actually very heavily Talmudic. In fact, there's a lot of things in Islam that don't make sense, really, other than it's just what God tells you to do.

Like, they have a lot of the dietary restrictions that come out of the Judaic tradition and the rabbinical traditions. for no reason. So when you ask Muslims like, you know, why do you have to do the woodoo washings and why do you abstain from pork and all this stuff? It's like, well, because Allah says to. And then when you look into the sections of the Quran that have these dietary restrictions, it's sort of like copied and pasted out of the Old Testament out of Leviticus. But there's no real reason for it. Plagiarism.

It is. It's a copy paste plagiarism religion. And then when you, if you look at Christianity, there's a reason why at that time God gave those dietary laws. He said it was unclean or something like that. It had a pedagogical significance, right? So when you get to the New Testament, you guys are reading the Bible through, when you get to Paul's letters, and Jesus does this too, like they will explain the purpose of the dietary laws and the ceremonial laws, as they're called. They were intended to typify the coming Messiah.

So they're types, signs and symbols like Jesus is the Passover. So when the Jews were reading the Passover, that was a symbolic lesson, teaching them that the coming Messiah will be the Passover land that they feast on. So it's a type do you know what I mean about type? Like a foreshadowing and then a fulfillment. The temple is a foreshadowing

of fulfillment. Jesus says that the temple was a symbol of his own body in John 2. Tear down this temple and I'll raise in three days. The temple is also a symbol of the church, the body of the believers, that are a living temple, Peter says. So likewise with the ceremonial laws, when you have these restrictions about not eating an unclean animal

versus a quote, clean animal. When you get to the New Testament, when you read the book of Acts, Paul will say that now that the covenant is fulfilled in Christ's death, all animals are clean. That pedagogical, a teaching lesson is fulfilled. It's done. It doesn't matter anymore. The foods don't matter.

He says what matters is the spiritual principle behind the unclean and clean foods is evil actions versus good actions. Okay. So it's a symbol that symbolize moral good and evil. Yeah. And it's fulfilled. And so religions like Islam and rabbinic Judaism are trying to keep things that don't have a purpose without that key figure of the Messiah who fulfills the purpose of those things. Because those things, like you said, like you said, is plagiarized.

They're taking things out of context. It doesn't make sense in their Bible. Because that religion is only what, about 600 years old? Well, it's in the 600s that Mohammed's, you know, pops up and starts saying that he's getting, you know, prophetic messages. He also thought he was possessed, too, by the way. There's a hadith which you don't know. Hadiths are like the oral traditions. And Muslims believe that you have to believe Hadiths.

Like the strong hadiths, they're just as necessary as the Quran. So it's not just the Quran. A lot of times Muslims say, oh, you just have to believe the Quran. You also have to believe all the Hadiths, which is this vast books of traditions. And there's one of them that says that Muhammad was worried because he would fall over and he would start foaming at the mouth. Right? And he was like, I feel like I'm. might be possessed and all of his like warlord Arab followers are like, no, you're good, dude.

You're good. It's a prophecy. It's a prophecy. Who is Muhammad? Well, there's a lot of debate about it, but it just seems like he's a crazy Arab warlord. Right. Seriously. Right.

Yeah, what I said, I need to clean up what I said earlier. Chris is and Moses have more in common. What I meant by that is, Dick, against gay. The gay community. I mean, people, yeah, like, if you reduce the, if you reduce the, if you reduce the, if you reduce the religion to just that, then I guess so. Because I see Muslims here, like in Detroit, like there's a big Muslim population up there. And just trying to put all those gay books and stuff in front of kids.

And they were there and they were totally against that. And then I hear like Tel Aviv, it's like one of the biggest gayest populations in the world. It's comparable to San Francisco. So that's what I meant by we have more in common, but it goes a lot deeper than that. Well, but keep in mind, too, like, I mean, in Islam you have child brides, you have, you know, Aisha being nine, you know. So it's like... That's not present in the Bible.

No. There's no child brides. I mean, they try, Muslims try to point to like Deuteronian, but there's nothing about taking children's virginity and Duteron's crazy. Right. Because they said, I came across a lot of people's comments. He said, I mean, y'all worship a guy named Muhammad. He's a pedophile.

A lot of the top Muslim apologists, they'll put out videos and say stuff like, oh, well, in Genesis, Rebecca was nine when, you know, she was wedded and it's not true. That's from a rabbinic, it's from the Talmud. I'm serious. So they actually don't know the difference between what's in the Talmud and what's in Genesis. Is there any mention, like, I see the Ten Command. Is there any mention when a woman is of legal age to have sex with a man? Is that anywhere in any scripture anywhere?

I think in the history of Christianity and in the history of Christian nations, usually they've set the age in past times it was a lot lower. Right. It would be post puberty, right? Right. So conceivably it could be, you know, 11, 12, 13, 14, and most nations operated that way. For a long time. For a long time.

But I don't think there's any instances that I'm aware of of like child brides in Christian history. I've never heard of. That's like a new concept that we, you know, the normal society, you have to be of a certain age. Well, part of the reason I think for that is that the ethos of Islam is one born out of slavery. It's an Arab warlord slave religion, and I'm not being facetious. Like, the way that you're viewed under Allah is you're all a slave. So like in Christianity, one of the key elements is that you're a son of God. And Paul says in Galatians 4, you're not like a slave.

you're a son. So in other words, you have the full rights of inheritance, which a person that's owned as a slave wouldn't have the full rights of inheritance. But in Islam, it's not viewed that way. Allah is not a father. Allah has no sons, which is an easy way, by the way, to prove that Jesus is not a Muslim. Because Jesus says that God's his father, probably 500 times in the book of John alone, right? So, but Muslims will be like, no, you know, Issa was a Muslim. It's like, well, then why did he say that Allah or God's his father? And then they'll say, it text corrupt text corrupt oh so all 500 references like are all corrupt yeah it's all corrupt yeah so they have a double standard right when you point out the contradictions they'll

immediately say well the text is corrupted and it's like but wait a minute what about the text that you like oh those are not corrupted so it's it's a double standard so so the judaism is they take principles out of the bible but they got goar rounds and then you got the Muslim faith where they just took things out of context plagiarism And things doesn't add up and just doesn't make any sense. And I think another key element is like in Judaism, in rabbinic Judaism, a lot of people don't know this. Like the Bible texts, they're inferior to the rabbinic commentary. So they don't really care about what the biblical texts say.

They're only as relevant as they are explained, interpreted, and misinterpreted in the Talmudic literature. So, for example, when some of the texts, pop-up that are a problem text for rabbinic Jews about the Messiah. Oh, there's two messias. There's Messiah been Joseph and Messiah been David. And then they'll make fun of Christians because they think, because there's like, there's no evidence of the Messiah having two comings. But you believe in two messias. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So they have a silly way to get around a lot of the textual problems. Like circular reasoning though, right? It is. And it's admitting like open

contradictions at times. Right. So like you made the comparison that, like Muslims are like they're like a slave. And is that why that women dress the way they dress? They all covered and they're like servants to the men, right? It's a very much, I mean, in the history I think of, I'm not a history of slavery, but I have a friend that made a documentary on this, and he went pretty deep into the history of the Christian versus Islamic views of slavery. The Islamic view is very much openly pro-slavery.

And it's really only Christianity that originally, tried to mitigate slavery in the Roman Empire and then over time eventually tries to get rid of it because if everybody's made the image of God just doesn't really make sense that you own a person right in Africa is there still Muslims their own African slaves still going on today yeah and I think in Arab places too like there's still Arab slaves as well like they own slaves what I'm saying yeah it still goes on I don't know exactly how widespread it is but as far as I'm aware it's in Islam. Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm. Wow. I put my foot in my mouth earlier. Well, I mean, you're right in the sense of like... The gay stuff. Yeah, like that one? I mean... Yeah, you like that last RAM we gave away?

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