Hodgetwins Podcast - TWINS POD CLIP | He Was On The Run For YEARS Until The FBI Finally Got Him...

Episode Date: May 13, 2025

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Time for Twinspot. And I'm getting sucked off. Yeah. I asked for like four grand or something and I'm waiting, waiting. It always took long because I just opened the account. And so all of a sudden a guy reaches over and grabs my arm. And another guy grabs my arm and they handcuff my arms. And it's two sheriff's deputies.

And they say, hey, we were told to detain you. Follow me. And I'm like, what the hell is going on? Guy grabs my ID off the table, walks me into a little. little office and I sit down, everybody in the bank staring at me, you know, and he says, we're, like, what's happening, bro? And he's like, and he's like, look, we're waiting, we're waiting for a detective to come. And for some reason I thought, like, FBI, like, I didn't know at that time the difference between a detective, an agent, you know, I don't know. So I was thinking the FBI's

coming, you know, or Secret Service, whatever. They're coming. It's bad. So I'm sitting there waiting and this detective walks in. And he's like, probably in his mid-30s. gray suit. He looked like he could be FBI, but he looks at and he says, hey, listen, he said, Mr. Sullivan, he said, we got a complaint from Wachovia Bank. They said you're, you've got, you've got three mortgages on your house. I actually had like six or seven, but not even including the two that I satisfied. So, and I went, is that illegal? And he goes, yeah, you know, I don't know. And I remember thinking, I'm, I'm walking out of here. He doesn't have a clue what's happening. He's calling me Gary. He's calling me Mr. Sullivan. Right. Right. You don't know who I am.

So, right. Okay. No big deal. And I go, okay, no, I'm like, okay. And he says, well, let me get the head of Wachovia's fraud department on the phone. Pulls it up, calls him up, says, hey, I've got Gary Sullivan here. Here's what's going on. And he's, and I'm like, well, you see, you got three mortgages. And I'm like, yeah, I have a first mortgage, a second mortgage and a he lock, a home equity line of credit. And he explains that. And the guy goes, no, he says they're all first mortgages. I said, I read every one of those mortgages. None of them said first mortgage. Mortgages don't say it. That's the placement of the lien. It doesn't say it on the document itself. Now, of course, he doesn't have a clue. He just said they're all first mortgages.

So he's saying, he starts trying to explain it. And he's like, okay, so it doesn't say it on the actual it. But it's, okay, well, he said that you borrowed three mortgages on the property so quickly that they couldn't that they were recorded one after the other. And that's why I was like, I was like, okay, I don't, how is that wrong? I've got a first mortgage or second mortgage in a Helock. That's not true. They're all first mortgages. I go, that's not true. And he's like, why did he go to three different banks if he, you know, and I said, let me explain something. I came in here. Well, listen, I'm fucking, you know, I'll be a dick, right? I'm like, okay, let me explain something. Here's what happened. I came in here to Wachovia, my bank, and asked for a first mortgage. I told

I wanted to get half a million dollars. I'm flipping properties. He goes, oh, that's right. You own another piece of property here, too, right? I'm thinking, ooh, he does a little bit. Yeah. More than I actually, tighten up. So I was like, yeah, I bought the first mortgage, but they couldn't give me half a million.

So what their loan officer here said, I've got a friend that can give you a second mortgage and she works at and I go, oh, shoot, because I don't know what mortgages they know about. So I'm like, oh, shoot. And he says, like, rock mortgage. And I was like, yeah, rock mortgage. And then I went, and then I got a he lock. from and he goes he is oh that must be the south trust one i went right or sun trust it was he goes that must be the sun trust one and i'm like i'm like right so i said so the guy who got

me the second said the woman who got me the second said hey i have a friend that can get you a hel off you can use it it's like a big credit card he's like yeah yeah i know what it is oh okay i said so i go there i said and then they scheduled the closings i went to the closings i gave them the documents i'm like i don't i haven't done anything wrong right you know and so this guy on the phone knows exactly what's happening. He's flipping out. My people, he would never, the loan officers would never do anything like that. And I know that's not true. I own a mortgage company. Right, right. So he's screaming. Ask him why he's pulling the money out in cash. I said, because I work for a labor company. And I get my business card out, labor on demand. And I said, I'm a site manager for a labor

company. And when I said a lot of these guys are like Mexicans and stuff and they don't, these guys charge them like five and 10% to cash their checks, but I know their checks are good. So I just cashed them myself. Like, oh man, I don't know if that's illegal. He's like, no, no, that's a nice thing to do. That's fine. I'm like, yeah. And so by this point, I didn't mention, he's calling me Gary and I'm calling him John or whatever his name is, right? Right. Right. I'm like, well, thank you John. So he's like, no, Gary, that's, that's not bad. It's not illegal. Okay. So this guy's losing it. So on the phone. Oh, on the phone. He can see like your, you're, You're slowly wearing this guy down. Right. And he's losing it. This guy actually has to tell him, hey, calm down a couple of times. I want him arrested. I want this. He's like, okay, well, I don't even know what to charge him with.

He came in, he applied for a loan. You gave it to him. Right. You don't understand. They're all first mortgages. Yeah, but how would he know if they're first mortgages? You just told me they don't say first mortgage. And your loan officer sent him to the second mortgage loan officer, which is not true,

but now he's telling him it is true. Right, right. So I'm sitting there. And anyway, he ends up, so I'll speed this one up. So he says to him, he says, look at his ID. He's got a fake ID. And he goes, it starts with zero, zero, zero. South Carolina IDs start with zero, zero, zero.

This guy's from like California or something. He doesn't know what, you know. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. So the cop, the detective says, listen, he said, it's a real. real ID. It was issued by the state of South Carolina. I've already pulled this guy through NCIC. It's a real ID. And I lean in and I go, oh, what? Now I'm not Gary Sullivan. I go, bro, what are we doing here? And he says, I know, Gary. I know. I'm like, Wacoa is melting down. This is poor, this, I almost felt bad. I almost felt like, bro, like, listen, I know. I feel bad.

Like, you know what the fuck's happening. I got this guy fooled, though. Like, I'd love to see that guy. Like, right? Did I have him? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I don't think he didn't find it funny. But so this guy says, look, I don't even know what you're charging him with. I'm going to take him back to the police department. I'm going to fill out a police report. I'm going to talk to the district attorney, figure out what's going on, and we'll get back with you.

Picks me up. Not picks me up, but he's like, okay, hop up. Let's go. You can follow me. He's taking the cuffs off by now. So he goes, yeah, follow me. And he goes, wait a minute. He said, you, he said, you have a driver's license?

And I went, I said, yeah, in Nevada. And he goes, and he goes, he goes, because you only have an ID here. And I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's in Nevada. He goes, why didn't you get a driver's license here? I said, because you need full coverage insurance and I don't have a vehicle. And he's like, oh, that's right, you're driving your, he goes, you're driving another vehicle. It's not in your name. He's knows some shit, right?

He's peaked the whole thing. And I'm driving a vehicle that's in the name Michael Eckert. And he goes, you're, he said, oh, you want to hear something really funny? Yeah. I actually legally changed Michael Eckers' name to Michael Johnson just to see what the process would be like. Oh, yeah. I feel horror. I mean, can you imagine this poor guy?

Anyway, stop judging me. So what happens is he says, okay, well, follow me. He goes, well, wait a minute. So he goes, you have a driver's light. I said, yeah, Nevada. And the guy, one of the sheriff's deputies goes, I'll check. And he takes the ID. And he walks out to his car.

Now, keep mind, this is 2005. I'm still terrified. Like, I don't know if he can pull it up. So I know if you go in the DMV and you have multiple driver's licenses in other states, they can't pull up those photos. Right. At that time, it's a hub system. Yeah. So, and this was a long time, but I don't think anything's changed.

And I mean, I was like, huh. So he walks outside. He comes back. Oh, wait, that's not. Here's what happens. He says, I say, when I tell him, yeah, I do, but it's from, you know, I have a driver's license in Nevada. He goes, oh, that's right, you're from Nevada. And they all glancing each other and kind of grin.

And I realize he pulled my NCIC. He thinks I've been arrested for prostitution. He knows I've got two misdemeanors for prostitution. Gary Sullivan's been arrested like. And I was like, he thinks he's sunk out. Oh, yeah. I was like, fuck. You know, what am I going to say?

You know, I'm like sitting there and they're like, yeah, yeah. He's like, oh, let me go check. He kind of grins and walks off. Yeah. Five minutes. later he comes back out or comes back in the place and he says yeah he was it checks out he he was he's it's it's good he was like yeah he says well it says he says he says he's 511 and they all look at me and i go well fellas with a good pair of shoes and they go ha ha ha follow us gary yeah i get my

car yeah i thought so here's what's really funny to that chick um uh becky every time i would go in a bank to get cash Sometimes she'd wait in the car, whatever. I'd call her and say, look, because sometimes they would, like, she would maybe open the accounts, and they would need to call her or call somebody to verify, you know, the check, whatever. And so I would always say, hey, I'm going to that bank account, you open in the name so-and-so. I'm going to cash one of her checks. She'd say, okay, and she would wait. And so I, so she would always say, what if you get arrested?

And I'd go, well, if I get arrested, then you get me an attorney. And you get me out of jail because here's the way it worked. I don't know how it works now, but it used to work like this. If you're arrested back then with a driver's license and your identity is not in question, they take your prints, but they don't run them, especially small towns. They save them up or they don't run them. Why would we spend, like, you have to understand, like, the government charges them to run them. So why would we spend seven bucks or 12 bucks to run your fucking prince when I have an ID issued in the state of, you know,

Right. You're being arrested for bouncing a checker, opening a bad, doing something, but your identity's not in question. And I was like, my identity is not in question. Even a shitty lawyer will get me out on bond. And she's like, okay. And I always used to wonder, like, what do you think I'm going to say? Take the money. Save yourself. Like, what are you doing? Get me out. So anyway, so I walk out. I get in the car. Start the car. Everybody's kind of driving. And my phone's run like, you know, my personal phone, right? Not. the one not Gary Sullivan's my and I pick it up it's run like 50 times I've been in a bank an hour what and I pick up the phone I'm like hey what's going on she's like oh my god she was I just looked you up on the internet you're number one in the secret services most wanted list and I go bro I got bigger problems yeah she's like what he meant I was just in a bank I was handcuffed I talked about the handcuffs I'm going to fucking police station right now she's like get on the run get on the interstate I'm like I'm not a you know not going out run a helicopter like what are you doing I'm not a NASCAR driver.

Yeah. And so anyway, I'm like, yeah, I'm like, listen, I've got to go. I've trust me, I've got this. She's like, oh my God, oh my God. And she starts saying, she was, I said, the worst that will happen is if I get arrested, get me a lawyer. And she goes, I'm not getting you out on bond, not getting you a lawyer. I'm not risking everything I've got to save you. And I thought, women.

She's sitting on like 700 grand. Yeah. And I just thought, fuck. And there's nothing I can do. Right. Cops behind me, cops in front of me. Right. Pull in the police station.

We get out. I go inside. I don't know if you guys have ever been in a police station. But you're not walking in and out. There's punching this button. This guy buzzes you in. You get in the elevator. You punch a couple buttons to go up.

Like it's three layers to get in to a point where I'm sitting down in this guy's office. We do a police report. He talks to his lieutenant. He comes back. He says, he says, listen, I've got to talk to my lieutenant real quick. Can you wait in the hallway? I go, sure. I go stand in the hallway.

There's all these wanted posters. My secret service, that wanted poster is on the wall. It's the only color poster on the wall. Everything else is black and white. And I look up and I'm just like, holy shit. They haven't put two and two to get it yet. No, but everybody, people always ask me like, why didn't you run? Do you know what it took to get in here?

Like, I'm not getting out of here. I'm not even going to get in the elevator. I'm not getting down the stairs. I don't know what to do. He walks up behind me. Hey, Gary, ready to go? I'm like, yeah, I'm ready, bro. Yeah, let's do this.

Walks me outside, says, hey, listen, the district attorney has some questions. Like, you know, we may need to, we need to talk to you again. Like, there's some questions here. I'm like, okay. He said, just do me a favor. Don't leave town. Where am I going? I got two houses here.

He's like, okay, I get in the car. I go to two more banks, pull out some more money, jump on the interstate, haul ass, go straight back to Charlotte. Did you take Beck with you? You cut her loose. No. So Becky's already relocated to Houston. Listen to this.

I go all the way back, pack up all my stuff in a U-Haul, drive all the way to Houston, unload all my stuff into some storage units, come back, tell her I need a, we need to find another place. By this point, we've both got separate apartments, by the way. Like, we're not living together. She's insane. She's had the cops called on my two or three times. She's bipolar.

She's insane. I sent her to a psychiatrist. She wouldn't take her fucking Zola. I mean, she'd take it for like a week. or two and say, oh, I'm all better now. You're not all better now. Take the medication. Yeah. I mean, it was, it was hell. So we get into a huge argument. She tells, so she, I tell her, let's split up the money and go our separate ways. She says, no, we argue. And finally, she says, I'll give you $100,000. She wants to give me nothing. And I'm, you know, just, you know, typical fucking.

You was the mastermind behind all of this. I, I understand. Yeah, what are you doing? What? You think we're going to have. It's your business. She's not seeing that. She's not seeing it like that. And that's exactly, that was actually her point. I can't do this. I have to live off this money.

You're going to make a million dollars in the next month or so. I've got $700,000. So we argue and she's, we agree on $100,000. Like I'm saying split it. She's saying 100,000. I'm saying I'll just take all of it. She's like, well, you won't get out of fucking, you're driving a, in that you haul? She's like, with what?

you don't have any IDs like oh we put all the IDs in the in the storage unit so she's like where you're going to go in the you hall that the cops are going to be looking for in five minutes and I'm like I always love it because I go to when I tell the story in prison guys who'd be like you should have killed her I'm not going to come on I'm not killing anybody you should have struggled that everybody said there I I definitely had there were some thoughts and you know I'm like what are you doing you're not that guy yeah right right we end up I get $100,000 and I leave. I go back to, I drive that truck all the way back to Charlotte to pick up my car.

I get in my car. I go to the Starbucks, a caddy corner from my apartment complex. This is in downtown Charlotte. You ever been to Charlotte? Yes. It's nice, right? Like, it was nice back then. So go to the Starbucks.

I'm sitting there. I get a coffee. And I realize that there's two of my apartment. complex employees there. And they're like looking at me and they're and I'm thinking, you mind, it's like the fifth,

fourth or fifth and I haven't paid my rent. And I'm thinking, like they probably just put like an eviction notice. Like that's like they're freaking out. Like they're not coming up to them. And then one of them, the female, bolts out the back door.

Okay. Weird. Guys just staring at me. He gets his coffee, Trey, Trey. And he's, and I'm,

and I'm, the barista calls mine. I get mine. I walk out. I get in my car. I put the thing in. This was back when they had CDs. How old are you guys?

50. 50. Are you a 50? Yeah. Wow, you're holding up. Well, you got the black skin,

though. You got the good skin. So you remember the CDs where they had the CDs, right? Right, right. They don't have any of you. You asked a 25 year old. They're like, I'm sitting there,

I'm switching through to get the right playing music for my road trip because I'm leaving. Yeah. And I'm still. sitting there and I got my seat belt on. I start. I look, you know, I'm looking in traffic. I'm about, and the guy walks out with his trays. He's standing there. And all of a sudden, he starts, he goes, he's right here. He's right here. And I look in the rear of your mirror and there's two guys running. So they had just before they walked in to get their coffee, they've been

interviewed by the U.S. Marshals. Wow. She ran to get the U.S. Marshals. He's keeping an eye on me. I get in my car. I'm pulling in. I start to kind of, I'm pulling away. So that's why he starts screaming he's right here like he's leaving they start running i hit the gas it sounds dramatic yeah it's not i was already pulling out but yeah like in in my mind and i think most people might like i fished down the i think it's smoking abandoned yeah it had posse tracts and i mean i mean it had that that snow slip distribute you know i'm not going anywhere you know it's fine it was it would be great if i could slide sideways and stuff but that's not what happened i just punched it and took off i drive straight down the road one mile i stop at a homeless facility i serve

three homeless guys. It was three white homeless guys in their 30s. Like that was hard to find. Perfect. Perfect. I need these guys. You don't want no black guys. They're not going to help me.

So I get their stuff. I go to, so real quick, I go to, I go to Nashville. I go to Nashville. I rent an apartment. I order a bunch of, well, at first I ordered a bunch of those guys stuff. I rent an apartment. I get their stuff in. I end up assuming the name.

Marion Carter No, Marion, no, wait, his name was Joseph Marion Carter Jr. And I get a driver's license in his name. I get a car in his name, apartment, bank accounts, everything. I start buying houses. I buy like 10 houses. I borrow $3.5 million on these houses.

Things are going good. I get a girlfriend. She's hot. We're traveling. Of course, I'm traveling. I was traveling with Becky. Like, you know, I've been, why didn't you leave? I did.

I've been to, I've been to, Jamaica. I've been to Bermuda. I've been to Mexico. We went to, you know, Italy. We went to Croatia. Like, I've been Greece. You know, we traveled, but, you know, leaving okay, but, like, I don't know how their system works. Like, here I'm trying to figure out how I can massage the system to come up with, you know, an identity I can assume and stay here. And I, I, but I don't know anything about their system. And I'm concerned because you go there and you look into it and you realize like, you're okay if you stay in the tourist areas. But most countries and people just don't realize this are dangerous. And they're not thrilled with the Americans, you know? Like, why didn't you go to

Mexico? Because the cops will rob me. I'm not being concerned about the criminals when the cops are going to rob you. So, you know, I expected of them. You've got nowhere to turn. And so, you know, You know, there's nowhere to really go that I could think of at the time. Anyway, we get the money. We're getting, we get the money. I'm building houses. I'm renovating houses. I'm buying houses.

I'm borrowing money. I meet this chick. And one day she comes in and she says, listen. And this is a very condensed version of the story. So she comes in one day and she says, she went online. And date line, NBC News is. about to do one hour special on me. And I went, ah, it's not good.

It's not good. So I thought, I, deadline tonight. Yeah, I got to leave. Matthew Cox. Yeah, and it was called the thief of hearts. The thief of hearts. So at that time,

being a single, I mean, being a single mom was a big deal. It was like a big thing in the media, the single mothers, single mothers. We have to protect single mothers. Right. Well, three or four of the women that I have dated in their 30s have kids.

They have a kid or two kids. So he's targeting single mothers. The fuck are you talking? Like I'm thinking, well, what about Jana? What about so and so? What about these other? They didn't have fucking kids. Right.

They just talk about these kids chicks that I dated that had kids. Anyway, that's really the only thing that upsets me because the others, otherwise it was pretty accurate. Yeah. So anyway, I decide I'm leaving. We got to, I'm going to, I start refinancing properties. I'm pulling out cash. I figure we'll go to Australia because Australia at the time had a plan or you could go there and you could become a permanent resident alien and they didn't require you to do a fingerprint

check through the FBI. They only required you to go to the local police department and pull your record. Well, that went through my hands. So if it goes through my hands, they wouldn't be asking, if they could do it, they wouldn't ask me to provide it. And keep mind, it's got a little stamp so it looks official, but I can't make a stamp or get a stamp. So anyway, I end up, I'm going to go there. And this is a great thing about Australia too.

If you had to show up with like a business plan and like over $200,000, I'm going to show up with a few million. So I'm going to go there, buy a bunch of rental properties. You can't get a job there, but you can open a business. You can buy real estate. So I can't vote. I can't take a job, but I can just open a business or I could buy real estate. So I'm going to go there. I figure I'm going to buy a bunch of properties, rent them out.

I'll have a couple million dollars. I'm going to make a go of it in Australia. That seems reasonable. Anyway, that's not what happened. So my girlfriend confides in her friend, friend of hers, who I am. She contacts the Secret Service. Secret Service watches my house for three days. One day I come home, boom, they grabbed me.

You know, it was a bad day. Yeah. It was a bad day. It was in the process of going to Australia. Yeah, yeah. Which, you know, and everybody's like, man, if you had made it, I'd been picked up two years later or something. You know what I was?

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