Hodgetwins Podcast - Twins Pod - Episode 1 - Vivek Ramaswamy

Episode Date: February 2, 2024

Episode 1 - Vivek Ramaswamy sits down with the Hodgetwins to talk about 1776 values, the border crisis, where our country is headed, & more. Twins Pod is fueled by Optimal Human - Comprehensive All- In-One Nutritional supplement - optimalhuman.com 00:00 - Intro 02:15 - How to properly pronounce “Vivek” 02:36 - The Twins LOVE Vivek 03:15 - Vivek’s Top Obstacle  04:28 - Keith Calls Out Republicans 05:48 - E pluribus unum 06:17 - Vivek on Breakfast Club 07:39 - Vivek’s Race and Religion 10:32 - Are you a lion or a sheep? 12:42 - Vivek = Obama? 13:26 - Why does Nikki Hailey suck so much? 16:30 - Weakness of The Republican Party 18:18 - Jon Fetterman 19:42 - Vivek’s Future 22:21 - Organic Diversity 26:37 - Uncle Toms 28:10 - What is Strive 29:49 - Rumble 35:32 - Working with Trump 37:49 - How Old Are The Twins? 39:55- How To Deal With Bullies 42:35 - How To Change Congress 44:26 - Do Politicians Write Their Own Tweets? 45:42 - 2024 Predictions 48:26 - Creepy Message From The WSJ 52:54 - Biden/ Is Horrible 54:23 - Linkedin Lib Likes Nikki Hailey 55:57 - Mail In Ballots 1:00:02 - The Border 1:02:37 - New York 1:05:11 - Illegal Immigration  1:10:31 - Trans Issue 1:14:20 - Common Ground 1:16:30 - What Is The Deep State? 1:19:36 - Republican Vs America First 1:20:55 - Twins Used To Be Democrats?  1:26:14 - January 6th 1:28:23 - Vivek Is Worried 1:28:44 - Whitmer Kidnapping  1:31:45 - FBI Entrapment  1:33:00 - Media Deception

Yeah. Hogs when we're starting something new. Welcome, Vivek Ramoswamy. Vivek, like cake. I really like this guy. Most people still behave like sheep. There's part of the inside of each of us who's a lion and part of inside of each of us who's a sheep. What's the future for you?

I'm open to whatever allows me to have the biggest impact on the country. What is the deep state to you? Have you heard of the term ESG, the ESG movement? Do you think Trump's going to take back the White House? I do. Yeah. Hogg's when we're starting something new. We're not going to stop our...

routine shows about current events and politics and stuff like that, but we went to start something new, and we started our own podcast, and we only start with the best guest. Yeah. The best ones. Yeah, the best ones. Only the best. Yeah. This guy is so good, he comes off like an AI system.

Everything he says is perfect. He's like a supercomputer. Yeah. Welcome Vivek Ramoswami. I hope I do not have a malfunction today. I hope you to see you guys. First of all, am I pronouncing your name, correct? It's Vivek, like cake.

You got that. Avaik. Yep. And then Rama Swami. Dude, I've been practicing your last name all week. I appreciate it. Ramoswami. Ramoswami.

Is that me able to do the chicken shwarma thing in there a little bit? But just Ramoswami. Yeah. Vake, Ramoswamy. Ramoswamy. Ramos. See, up that. Just as a simple ass.

Seriously, when you came on the scene and you started running for president, I was like, I was like, I mean, I like you so much. I like, I was like, because I seen, what Republicans were saying, oh, I don't trust this guy. He sounds too much like Obama. And when I came out to my own fans saying I really liked you,

it felt like I was coming out of the closet or something. Like, I was for the transgender movement or whatever. That's what it felt like. Yeah, and I've ran in so many people out in public, Vivek. Yeah. It's like, man, I said, what do you think about Vivate? He said, man, I don't trust him. I was like, why?

He said, he sounds like Obama. And I said, oh, okay, all brown people think alike. You know, I think that that was probably the top obstacle to my success this time is. I think we had the right ideas where most of the people of this country are. It's my vision for the country as well. But at the end of the process, I think it was the bridge of somebody who's just a little too new to trust. And I don't feel, I mean, part of me feels irritated, angry at that at first reaction, oh, well, why don't you trust me?

And I can make a million reasons why. But at a certain sense, if I was in somebody else's shoes and we've been lied to as much as we have for the last 10 years, I get it. And I understand that. The thing that a lot of people didn't realize when you first came out of the scene, most people knew that when I not only started running for president,

but maybe three months in, they view that as me coming on the scene. If you actually go back a few years, for me, my journey actually started a little while longer than that ago. And so for people who have been following along, I mean, we're talking not millions of people, but maybe thousands of people have read my books or whatever starting years ago

when I left business, I think it makes a little bit more sense, and it's been a journey to get to where I am. But either way, I'm in this for the country, and my goal was to be the president. That's why we, it's a good reason to run for president, to be president. Right. You know what? I'm going to call out the Republicans

bullshit for a second. Oh, here we go. Because we got Liverpool keep on the show. No, no, I'm going to call them out. She's going to turn Liverpool on us. No, no, because Republicans, concerns, we criticize, Joe Biden because he can't put a sentence together. Here you come out the most eloquent person running for president and they use it against you.

That's bullshit. Yeah, yeah, I agree with that. I've never heard a politician sound and speak like you. Matter of fact, I've never heard you say anything that I did not like. I haven't heard you say anything that Trump wouldn't say himself. Yeah. Yeah, that's what we get along. I mean, he and I have known each other since my first book.

And so we've been, we've synced. But I think for a lot of the public, the way I look at it is this is a lot of people have been very frustrated myself, included with the Republican Party in our MAGA movement and beyond. But it's kind of sad that when somebody comes along and finally says the things that I think the Republican Party has not allowed itself to say, but that need to be said, the reaction, among many, at least, wasn't finally the Republican Party or a Republican leader is saying the things they need to be said, but instead, well, why is he actually saying it? I'm suspicious. There's some other agenda.

Yeah. And you know what? It did people take the Obama thing? I mean, one of the things that I say in many of my campaign speeches, and it's one of the ones that was they got me on this one. I pluribus unum from many one. It's not about black versus white is what I say about Obama. There's no black America or white America.

Apparently he said that 20 years ago. Do we want the left to have a monopoly on that message of national unity? If national unity becomes a left-wing ideal, then we're done. Yeah. I think that we have to recover. claim one nation under God. What does it mean to be a citizen of this nation? And if that says, the funny thing is actually just reminded me.

So, what is it, two days ago, I was on with breakfast club with Charlemagne the God. Oh, gee. Why does she go there? I go anywhere. He's got to try. Wow, it's like talking to a brick wall. Well, you know, we made some progress there. I don't think he did.

It came out. It came out today. We made a dent, actually. And so anyway, one of the things he was hitting me with was, but Trump's comment about vermin, he's literally quoting Hitler. And you're supporting a guy who's quoting Hitler. And the thing I said is, you know what? Read me exactly what Donald Trump said. And there's always, well, well, he might have said that he didn't know that Hitler says, no, no, no, no, we're just going to do this right now.

Read me exactly word for word what Donald Trump said that was quoting Hitler. And it was just some basic policies about the border. But one word is the same word in an English translation of mine. Comf, which is Hitler's manifesto. So just because one guy said a thing that one sounds like a different guy, this is what the left tries to do to Donald Trump, is to say

oh, he said a thing that Adolf Hitler once said in a 100-page manual, and we got Donald Trump for that. Let's not act like the other side. Yes, I say it in every speech. I'm going to keep saying every speech. E pluribus Unum means from many one. We've forgotten that in this country. Oh,

Barack Obama said it. Shut up. You know what I mean? Get over. and actually reclaim our own message. Do you think Republicans are a little harder on you because you're not white? You know, I would say the harder one was actually because of my religion, which is Hindu.

And I'm not going to, I'm not the whole victimhood game or anything else. Yeah, we're not either. Yeah, I know, but speak the truth as we see it. Right. This is not an interpretation, right? This is a hard fact that a number of people in Iowa, I think my vote share in Iowa this time around would have been significantly higher than it was if I were

a traditional Christian or even like many politicians claim to be a traditional Christian. And so for me, you know, the move would have been short in your name. You know, Vivek, maybe call me Vicky. You know, pretend to be a Christian. Yeah, yeah. And apparently that works on some people. It works. It works a lot.

I don't know, I don't know. I don't really, I don't really know where you get, where you might get a Vicky sounding Indian American politician that makes it work. But, but that's, that one's okay because it actually opened up real conversations about faith that for me, my whole goal is I'll tell you who I am and what I stand for. And if you want to vote for me, great. And if not, I'll still put my head in the pillow at night and know that I did my part. But I think that that doesn't work in like a six-month cycle. Right. That's a long cycle of really getting to know somebody. And for a lot of people in Iowa,

I got 8%, whatever, we started at 0.0. We ended at 8. I'm proud of what we did. But for a lot of people, it is. It was a difficult decision. to say, this is a nation founded on Judeo-Christian values. I am an earnest Christian. I have a responsibility to select who the next president of our broken nation is. How can I vote for a man who does not abide by the same faith that's most important to me? Right. Yeah. And I think a lot of people grew comfortable with that thinking, but I'm not voting for a pastor. I'm voting for a president. I understand. And I actually, I'm a student of history. One of the things that we shared with takes a lot of people by surprise is Thomas Jefferson was not a traditional Christian, actually.

The left likes to cancel a lot of his legacy because he was a slaveholder. But we can't cancel or reinvent our own history either. He was a deist. And so we ended up having deep conversations in rooms like this with evangelical Christians in northwest Iowa who would have never imagined themselves voting for somebody who was a Hindu. Still believe in one true God, I believe you put us here for a purpose. same values but a different fate. And I think some beautiful things happened as a consequence of that too.

And so I think it was just a matter of time, you know, in six months. I wasn't really able to convince that more people. Yeah, I think what really hurts you is how Trump is being persecuted. If he wasn't being persecuted at the length he's being persecuted, I think you'd have did a lot better than a polls. But I don't really trust those polls. How's Nikki Haley polling better than you? Yeah, it really, so it ends up being the influence of these super PACs, actually.

I mean, the inner part of us, there's, most people still behave like sheep. Yeah, yeah. There's, maybe each of us does in a given day, too. There's a part of the inside of each of us who's a lion and a part of inside of each of us who's a sheep. And I think what happens is your natural tendencies to still behave like the sheep. And so if you have a bunch of donors buying up mass numbers of just television ads, even if you think, oh, those television ads bore me, but you're just seeing the same thing. And it's 30 seconds.

And it's a carbon copy. and you've been used for 25 years for consuming that, you end up behaving like somebody who's actually acting like an automaton, actually acting like the robot. And so it turns out of the subset of people who actually ever came to an event, I mean, that's like maybe 1% of the total voting population ever actually comes to a detailed political event, understands, engages in conversation, or even listens to a podcast amongst the Republican primary electorate

that goes deep to spend an hour or two understanding who somebody is. that's a totally different race. But the problem is that's a tiny fraction of the total where most people still are consuming, most Republican primary voters are older. They're consuming, they're not going to see this. A lot of people are going to see what we're talking about, I'm sure. But as a percentage of the Republican primary electorate

is actually still a pretty small portion who are just by creatures of being habit are getting what they are from cable news and the 30-second ads on cable news make a big difference. Yeah. And then I think if you have an entire establishment, not just amongst the donors buying the ads, but even amongst that media itself, the very media from whom they're buying those ads, deciding they're going to crown one person as the favorite. Initially, it was Ron DeSantis. And it worked.

And then as soon as they drop him like he's hot, boom, he's gone. But the next puppet still is able to be trotted up to just pick up where he left off. And so, you know, I'm not complaining about that. It's just a fact of how the game works. And it's why I'm running. I'm kind of disappointed. We're going to take this off, actually. We're getting warm.

Yeah, I'm kind of disappointed. Yeah, I'm kind of disappointed on how conservatives see the candidates. Like, some of the criticisms I heard about you, I didn't hear about Nick Haley. It's like they were being tougher and harder on you. And I was like, I didn't really get it. And they keep, every time I spoke to someone, they always compare you to Obama. You sound nothing like Obama. Yeah, I really don't.

If you listen to the content of what we're saying. You're both brown. Yeah. You know, maybe the depth of voice sounds similar. whatever, but that's about it. You sound nothing. I don't think so. You sound nothing like that, Negro.

Nothing. He's not somebody who I share a lot with, I would say. I would say, we would butt heads. I've never really met the guy, but if I did, I'm sure we'd have a lot to, we'd have a lot to argue over. But I'm not, look, there's a lot of people who go through a process like this and, you know, don't get the result they want and then whine about all the reasons why. And I'm just not one of these people, actually.

We're just actually a heartbroken dick. You didn't do better. I can understand Trump's where he's at. But for you to be dead last behind Dick Cheney in heels, and for her to come out and say stuff like she advocates for parents having the option to, for the transgender circuits for my kids. I mean, this woman is Hillary Clinton two point. I mean, she's this woman is Dick Cheney.

Actually, I meant what I said. Yeah. She wants to fight foreign wars. Keep the foreign war machine. Homan. Use our taxpayer money. Fork it over to Ukraine. Social Security, cut Medicare, cut veterans benefits here, it's home.

And by the way, a domestic surveillance states that if somebody's using a social media account to watch this conversation, they have to tie their driver's license to watch it. That's Jack Smith, Joe Biden's stuff right there. So I don't know if that's Jack Smith, Joe Biden, it's Nikki Haley. I don't care. I'm against it. Just because you put a little R after your name doesn't change my opinion of what you had to say. I'm going to judge it based on the content of what you actually said.

All that being said, for me, if you look over the last year, though, you had a former vice president in the United States. You had multiple U.S. senators and governors, et cetera, who people knew. For me, people are laughing at the idea of a 38-year-old guy who has zero political history running for U.S. president. I ended up getting forth in a process where, you know, in the beginning, people would have even included me in the top list of 20 people who were running for U.S. president. So I think it's a testament less to me and more to still the openness of this country. I mean, my parents came here 40 years ago with no money. They would have been over the moon if I became a doctor and had a steady career.

Right, yeah. I found in multi-billion-dollar companies at the age of 38, be able to run for U.S. president without an iota of political history, beating out by handily, former vice presidents to U.S. senators, to current sitting governors. That's, I think, actually a testament to this country that says, you know what, we are so sick and tired of what we've been forced fed that if somebody else knew comes along, actually, for all the people that didn't give me a shot, there were still millions of people who did across this country. And see, that's another criticism people have of you're not real.

That's the realest shit I've heard, because I'm off here. Trying to victimize you. You didn't get the folks because of your Brown. But you still have that mindset that's a great country. It's just a longer process for you. I don't think the Brown actually had, I would tell you if I thought it had something to do with it. I don't think the Brown had anything to do that.

The Hindu has a little bit to do with it, but it's more... The religious thing. If I had to pick between the two, that's definitely the one. Right. But it's more of the total package of, I mean, I'm different in a lot of ways, right? People haven't heard of you. I have no political background. Different faith.

Difficult to pronounce name. Actually, that's a big one in the polling. too. Because the way a lot of the polls work, so one of the things you saw in our campaign is people who do the online polls, now those are also biased towards people who consume digital content, we tend to do better in those than the ones where the people actually have to respond back and say my name. Because even the people asking the polling questions often can't pronounce my name. So there's just a lot of, I mean, everybody's unique and everybody's different. And there's a fake way to do this, which is to say, okay, sanitize all of that,

make your name more pronounceable, pretend to be Christian. We don't need to do any of that. We need to some honesty in this country. And I'm not going anywhere. We wanted to, I expect to be the president. Let's be honest for a second. Do you think diversity is a weakness of the Republican Party?

You mean just like normal kind of diversity? Yeah. I don't think so right now. More people like now. I mean, look, you take a look at the Ben Carson's to the Byron Donald's of the world to now people like myself and this. I mean, even Nikki Haley, say what you will. I mean, the only thing you could say about it

that's true in this conversation and she wears it on her sleeve all the time is a woman of color. Yeah, but she looks white. Yeah, I do it. So a person of color like a black guy, she looks white. It's really funny that she would say

the way she was growing up in South Carolina. I don't believe that anybody actually would have actually mistaken. You never tell them for them to be able to treat you any differently. I think what's, I think the deeper problem in the Republican Party is an ideological one,

where it's kind of just become a label that doesn't mean anything. So if you have people in this, same party. Take the most important questions we face right now. Should we or should we not be marching our way to take the risk of World War III to arm Ukraine to the teeth, using our own military and money to do it? That's one of the most important questions of our time. Right. You have most of the Republican Party agreeing with most of the Democratic Party on that question. Take the question of whether or not you believe that the FBI or the CIA or the NSA should be

allowed to spy on most Americans in the name of national security. Again, you have most Most Republicans that push come to shove agree with most Democrats on this issue. So I think the real problem with the Republican Party is we just got to define who we are and what we actually stand for. Like this word doesn't mean anything. I don't have a ton of interest in Republican Party politics. It's meaningless, right? It's just an amalgam of people who have put a little R after their name versus saying, okay, this is who we are and what we actually stand for. like John Federman in recent days

sounding like he's maybe tougher on the border than Nikki Haley is, right? And so I don't care what letter comes after your name. And by the way, on that one, I saw my background was in science. I would say that every neurologist in the country needs to study what happened in that man's brain. Because whatever it is,

there's a miracle that has played out in plain sight. So that means every Democrat to wear a hoodie and there is a lot to wear a hoodie in the Senate. I'm all in favor of that if that's what it takes. He's made a miraculous recovery. Yes, it's really amazing. It's really, he's making far more sense than Nikki Haley or Lindsey Graham or Carl Rove or Dick Cheney. And so I don't care for, I mean, in the same way, I don't care too much for black or white or man or woman or, you know, gay or straight.

I don't particularly increasingly, even the label Republican or Democrat, it's lost its ultimate meaning. Tell me what you believe in what you stand for. And if you're pro-American, if you stand for the values enshrined in that flag, then you know what? We're on the same team. And if not, let's talk about it. He have a lot of Republicans that are soft on that that will not second this, actually. Right. So that's kind of my view is I'm a libertarian nationalist.

If I had to take a label, that'd be the label I would take. I'm a libertarian nationalist. Those words mean something. We are far right. There you go. But Republican doesn't mean something, right? That's a joke. Whatever that means.

If you want to accept your label, I'll take it. It's nothing to be ashamed of it. So what's the future for you? We're figuring that out, man. It's only been about a week. Maybe vice president or? I'm open to whatever allows me to have the biggest impact on the country. Well, Trump and he did be vice president.

Well, Trump almost got his other vice president hung on January 6th. Trump, I would say that they was in front of, I would hope that there was hang Mike Pitts. I think that this goes to a deeper point, though, people selection matters. If you're building a company, so I come from the world of building companies, the people you pick make all the difference. And so I think this was one of the learning, so I don't want to speak for,

but I believe he would tell you the same thing, if you were here, is if you put the likes of John Bolton or Nikki Haley or Mike Pence in your administration, but you have the right America First Vision, but then your administration is staffed by people who are hostile to your actual vision. Exactly.

But we'll stare you in your face and tell you, yes, sir, Mr. President, and say whatever it is that make you feel good, but actually go, stab your back through the back door. I mean, Nikki Haley, for God's sake, was in Donald Trump's administration. Right? I think that that hopefully is one of the great learnings of that first term. You know, for me, I'm going to look myself in the mirror and ask myself,

what are my unique God-given skills? Every one of us has our own God-given gifts. How am I going to use those to do what's right for the country? I did that a year and a half ago, and I came to the conclusion it was to run for president. But the beauty of this country is that that choice doesn't belong to me. It belongs to the people of this country, and they spoke loud and clear. They're speaking loud and clear right now,

but who they want that to be. It's a man who shares 99% of my vision for this country in common and who's done it before, and so that's why I'm behind him. I'm going to do everything in my power this year to get him elected. But I'm not one of these people

who believes that the only way to drive change in this country is through government. I think a lot of it comes through culture. A lot of it comes through changes in the economy. I think much more so than through politics. Now, I think the president uniquely,

and you could make an argument argument for, you know, maybe the vice president, but the president particularly drives a lot more of a change in the tone and the pride of a country than a senator or a congressman. There, it's all just policy. But at the level of a president, you do have the merger of cultural character of a country with policy. And so that's why I think it's one of the most important, it's the most important position to change this country from the top. But for me, in terms of what comes next, I'm keeping a totally open mind. I'm sure I'll have an, open conversation with a lot of people, including my wife, and understand what works best for

our family, but also works best for this country, and we'll figure out what comes from there. Yeah, I don't want to push the race thing, but I think it's very important that the Republican Party becomes a lot more diverse. Like, I know we shouldn't focus on things like it, but it's really... It's going to happen naturally is what I believe. I hope so because... I think it's going to happen naturally. I think it is happening naturally.

Yeah. I think it's happening naturally largely because a lot of people are realizing they've been duped. I mean, when I went to the south side of Chicago earlier in this campaign, everybody said it's a waste of time to go there. Maybe it was. Maybe that's why I got forth. But I went there, I went there into Kensington, went to a lot of different places. What you realize is actually, and in particular it was, I would say I got a lot of support. I don't know if it showed up in the polls or not. I got a lot of support from black men by the end of the campaign. I think that just people who feel like they've been lied to because they have been lied to. I think all of us have been lied to, but I think a lot of black men in particular. have been put in a box. And no human being wants to be put in a box, but especially black men, I think, I've been putting a big box. And you start speaking the truth about some hard subjects.

I mean, it's not even subjects that, like, necessarily would be in a demographic survey, what appeals to black men. But when I started speaking hard truths about Ukraine, about the truth of what really, I believe, happened on January 6th and what we haven't been told, the hard truths about, you know, the things we've been lied to systematically,

about the Hunter-Bind laptop, big tech censorship origin of COVID, about the vaccine mandates. I think we've actually seen a lot of people come out of the woodwork. You talk about some of my pro-family policies. A lot of Hispanics love that. They really love that stuff. And I don't care if they're Democrat,

but you're actually paying single mothers more money not to have a man in the house than to have a man in the house and you have a breakdown of the nuclear family. I think that speaks to immigrants of many different stripes, and I think a lot of black Americans, too. It hurts them the most. I think it's going to happen naturally, but the thing that's stopping it from happening is

you have to have a coherent message, right? So if a party doesn't have a message, and I think the Republican Party basically today doesn't, and I've done my part to try to change that, Biden bad is not an agenda, right? What do we stand for? Then people can say, okay, I believe in that or not. And the ideals that were, that I think we should stand for, the ideals of 1776, ideals in our Constitution, merit, free speech, open debate, the rule of law, the importance of family. I think these go far beyond black or white, boundaries that you're going to see natural diversity, the floodgates are going to open in the Republican Party. But when you don't have an ideology, right, and it's just a party, then it, then it becomes what it looks like. So you have a bunch of people in suits Paul Ryan or Mitt Romney or whoever, you know, they all look the same. Then, yes, naturally that doesn't draw a lot of minorities in. But I think the right answer to that is not to bring more suits that, you know, look like Paul Ryan or Mitt Romney, but they have a different shade of melon and a different

gender. I don't think that actually solves a problem. It's not authentic. versus saying that that old vision of the Republican Party that wasn't really based on a real ideology anyway, you know, that's not attracting minorities because then it's just like, okay, well, a bunch of people look like that. They don't make any sense to me. It's the total package. Versus, no, no, no, no, they're saying things that compel me and speak to my heart and speak to the same value set by which I live my life and raise my family. Boom, automatically, I think you're going to have a far more visually, but also even in a deeper sense, diverse in a good way, Republican Party that is representative of where I think most of the country actually is. That's how I think it goes. Yeah, I just think Democrats explored our differences so much. And Republicans have figured it out. Yeah. It's like, like when Obama became president, it was Hillary Clinton was supposed to be president. Yep. But the Democrat voter recognized

something in him and they embraced it. Yep. I think you could have been, how should I say this, You could have been the, I'm not saying you're, let me say this, I think you could have been the Barack Obama for the Republican Party, not saying you're anything like him, but that could have helped the Republican Party so much as far as diversity-wise. Because you're there, you're the Democrats crypt-niquet. Don't worry, man. I'm not going anywhere.

We're just getting started. Yeah, exactly. So I appreciate that. I take that as encouragement, actually. In a good way. I see you as like the kryptonite for Democrats. I mean, you could have been the weapon to destroy all that nonsense about race. We're Uncle Thomas because we're Republican. Democrats have explored our differences

so much. That's the common culture and belief in minorities across the country. Yeah. And I think it spills over into the Republican Party, and maybe that's why they're a little bit tougher on you. Fuck it. Yeah. But I think that's why I'm so important. But I think it's why it's important, too. Yeah. I'm not going anywhere. Very important if we take that, not just give somebody a position because of they're brown or they're not white. I mean, you got to earn it. Somebody like, you who has all the qualifications. You're a billionaire. You're a successful business person. You're very articulate. Nothing you'd say it was apprehensive or, you know, that scared me. And the Republican Party did not flock to you. They didn't support you. I was very disappointed because

every person of color I talked to loved you. Well, they would say, well, he has no experience. I'm like, Trump doesn't have experience. Trump doesn't have any experience. He's a being experience is a good thing at this stage in politics. As long as you're, as long as you bring competence. You're not tainted by that whole system. You have the competence. You have a billion dollar pharmaceutical company. You started that from scratch. You've supervised it. You started from scratch. Not everybody can do that. Somebody that can do something like that can be president of the United States because they can run a country like a business. Just like that's the approach Trump took. You know my most recent business was. And so my first business, that's the biggest one and

most successful. And I'm proud of it. More recently, We started a business called Strive. You familiar with this one or no? No. I'll tell you about this. So are you guys familiar? Have you heard of the term ESG or the ESG movement? Yeah.

Okay. Yeah. So that's basically where a bunch of asset managers like BlackRock and State Street and Vanguard, they're using the money of everyday citizens to vote. So they buy up shares in America's public companies in your 401k account or your pension fund or whatever. And then they vote for these environmental and social and governance policies in those boardrooms. that did not advance your financial interests, but are just about pushing a lot of the left-wing policies in corporate America.

That's where a lot of woke capitalism came from. So I started the leading alternative anti-ESG company called Strive that offers the same kinds of investment products. But other than voting for those policies, we're going to vote for what maximizes profit. And the first year, after launching the first fund, we crossed over a billion dollars in assets under management. that was twice as fast as it took J.P. Morgan to get to the same place when they entered the same line of business.

And so I think part of what happens in our movement, so then when I ran for president, people will say, oh, but BlackRock started investment funds and this guy also started the same kind of investment fund as BlackRock, should we be suspicious. And at some point, we got to open our eyes and think, we're not going to win this battle as Republicans or conservatives as pro-American patriots. if we just retreat from the terrain versus showing up and actually winning in the terrain that we need to reclaim. I mean, I invested in Rumble. You guys familiar with Rumble. So you're on Rumble, I assume. Yeah. So I was like, I invested in Rumble back when it was a private company because I believe that you need actual challengers to YouTube.

Because one day, it's going to happen. If it's not tomorrow, it's going to be years from now that somebody wakes up on the wrong side of the bed and decides that somebody who is identified or voted in the wrong election the wrong way or whatever. is going to be deep platform. We need competitive marketplace of alternatives. And so that's part of my message to our movement a little bit is that we're going to lose if we disengage versus showing up and saying we need competitors to YouTube and to BlackRock and to the way that pharma builds its old business model

of effectively coordinating with each other to jack up, effectively the cost of developing new medicines, which is what my whole first company was about challenging. And so I think it's my job as a leader. not to complain about people's inability to see that and say, why can't you guys see it? As opposed to saying, I'm not doing a good enough job yet of explaining it if the majority of our movement still doesn't get it.

And over the last year, I think we made a lot of progress in that. I really do. And so weirdly, despite, you know, there's, I think a lot of my friends probably have a similar reaction to you guys of being angry and frustrated to say, okay, you got somebody who's given you what you have been asking for for the longest time, and you couldn't step up and embrace it. I think that's what a lot of people

who worked really hard in this campaign, who put their blood, sweat, and tears into this over the last year, I think that is their sense of frustration. And I have some element of that, I have to admit. But if you want to be a leader, you have to also say and acknowledge that it's my... If I failed to explain that sufficiently to people

in the short time that we had, then that's on me. But I'm not going anywhere, and we're going to keep at this, one way or another to make sure that we still get there as a country. I don't think it wasn't you. It wasn't you. It wasn't ready for you. I appreciate you frame it that way. But the way I take it as a leader is that's my call to level up. And I did what I thought was my level best. Well, my level best better be better next time around because this country needs it.

So you don't think if you had blue eyes, hey, hey, hey, just stop. You need to knock it off. So do you think if you had a blonde ponytail? I don't know what a ponytail. had blue eyes, right? And you had 1776 tattooed across the phone. You wouldn't it did better than a pony? Let me actually just think.

I'm all about truth. Let me just wear this. Let me just wear this. I don't know what the pot. Can we like make it? Because the ponytail could throw some people off. But blonde hair, blue eyes, 1776 tattoos.

And, and claimed to be Christian. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I probably would have done bad. better in the polls. Yeah, probably would have. I don't think it would have changed the outcome, but my gut instinct is, yeah, there would have been an increment of people. I'm just thinking

about even the people on the ground in an Iowa who I love, but what would the limitations were, I think it would have made a small difference. I don't think it would have changed the outcome. Now, if they had gotten no-me for, and knew me like they knew people who have been shown up in their living rooms on television for 10 years over the course of 10 years, that would have made a much bigger difference, I think, actually. So I think of the things that, of all the factors, there are probably a lot of them, but it's hard to get to know somebody

at a level of depth in a year, especially when, also, here's the other thing. Most of the people who like me are the ones who like Trump, and most people like Trump are the ones who like me. And so here's the encouraging part of this, is even in Iowa and across the country, if you look at who is the second choice to Trump, then I'm beating the pants off the other guys, actually.

especially by late in the race. Like some of those late Iowa polls, if you weren't voting for Trump, who are you voting for? I just, I mean, it wouldn't have even been close relative Ron DeSantis and Nikki Haley. And so I think that's also part of what was going on

is there's a guy who, and I'm behind him. I mean, I can see you are. Yeah, I'm behind him. Right. But I think it was the fact that here is somebody we know and trust and has done this for us once. And so in the face of that,

I'm going to go with what's tried and true right now. And I don't know. this guy, or I feel like I've gotten to know him some, but it's early in my process of getting to know him. And even when Trump came around, he was known for a long time, by the way. But even still, people were very skeptical of him in the conservative base back in 2015. But they didn't have another alternative that was saying the same things. This time around, they had eight years in of really getting to know Trump and probably 30 plus years of getting to know him, at least as a business leader. And so I think that was probably the bigger factor than, you know, the hair or skin color or even.

Yeah, Trump, how Trump's been persecuted has really galvanized his base and other people who hasn't really actually voted for him. They're going to stand, get behind that. But I'm still, I'm so discouraged that you didn't do better. Don't be discouraged. Don't be discouraged. I would say that that's, I'll level it up. And we're actually going to make sure that it's a job of a leader to lead, not to follow. We need to stone the capital.

You just got this podcast band. Go get the truck. Go get the truck. I'm going to bring the flag. You just got the podcast band, right? YouTube is coming down. I'm on high. So that's cool. You open to being a vice president? I'm open to anything for the country. As long as I believe it's going to put my best, I think each of us has our own skills, right?

And I have mine and you have yours and everything, every American, every person, every human being has theirs. If I'm able to use those God-given gifts to do what's right for this country and the biggest possible way. Whatever that is, that's going to be the next step. And so I think it would require Trump and myself to both be aligned to get on the same page. I mean, there's, I think we see eye to eye on policy. I think in recent weeks, I've discovered that I really, I really like my dynamic with him recently. I mean, he's, he's been very receptive to a lot of policy ideas. You know, the media gives one portrayal to say that this is a man who's hardheaded and stubborn. That's not what I've found, actually. Somebody's able to

clearly state what's right for the country and why. And even the discussion we had about Central Bank digital currencies the other night in New Hampshire. That translated into being part of his policy plank now. And I respect that. I give him credit for that sooner than I give myself credit. He takes a leader who's actually willing to listen.

And so, you know, I think that we haven't had that conversation, but I'm ready to do whatever's right for the country, either inside or outside of government. I'm going to take a little bit of time to think about that for myself as well. You have to be a part of our government. But you'd be on the outside looking and it's just stupid. Well, there's a lot of ways, as you said, about culture, though, to drive change in a country, too. So we're going to keep

totally open mind. It's not about me. I think a true satisfaction for me, even before my career, limited career now in politics is when you're guided by an actual purpose, right, that's external to yourself, but then you can actually use your own skills to achieve that purpose. That's true satisfaction. That's true meaning. And so for me, whatever comes next, It's going to have to be something that, you know, it sounds silly to say this, but that I'm having fun. Right. And that it's going to have big impact. And so those are the two criteria that matter.

Grateful to God and grateful to this country that there's not a third one on that list for me, which is, you know, what allows us to make a living or put food on the dinner table. We've done that. You know, I didn't grow up in well. My dad faced layoffs at the GE plant in Evendale, Ohio. And I know growing up that my parents didn't always have the luxury of philosophizing about what gives me, purpose and what allows me to have fun. They were just happy to be here. They were, I mean, it was about fighting for, fighting for your kids, being able to make sure

that they didn't have to, they didn't have to fend for themselves in the same way that my parents did when they came to this country. So that's a, that's a lucky thing for me to be able to say. But I'm a stage of life that what I want to do is I want to do what's right for the country and have fun while I'm doing it. How old are you? Whatever that is, we're going to figure that out. I'm 38.

38. Yeah. How do you guys? How do you guys? I'm going to be 50. this year. You'd be 50? Yeah. That's good. I've got to get into that personal fitness thing to do now in 50, yeah. It's funny. Like, you heard about both parties.

We need to get somebody younger, not these 80s. You guys are 50? Yeah. And here you are 30 years old. And everybody's like, oh, he's too young. Oh, me, talks too nice. He's like, it's like he knows everything. Hey, now, Trump's had some, some, he had some criticism of you. He was talking a lot of shit about it. It's a competition, man. It's a competition. And I'm a fighter too, so we don't go down easy. Right now, and we always have the same vision, but we're competing.

We're going to compete like hell. I think you handled yourself well. I know when you're competing against Trump, he's going to talk some shit. Oh, yeah, absolutely. It's part of the sport. How's your relationship with him? Good. Good?

Very good, I would say, actually. So y'all... So your home wasn't fucking fighting? Oh, it's just part of the sport, right? You've got two guys in a ring. You're going to actually... If you know what you're going in to do, you're shaking. cans before. You throw the punches, you get off, you shake hands after.

If I was you, if I was you, I would say, man, say that shit to my face. Yeah, that's right. The thing is, the thing is, I think that he, I actually, I actually didn't attack him personally at all in the race. If there's contrast to draw, we'll draw the contrast. Yeah, right. I think that there was a lot of pressure around him, probably, to come after me. Right. But you know what? He, what did he say? He said this the other night. He was cracking up. Actually, I was side by side with him on this. What was the one I was side by side by side? I was side by side with him on the stage. Right.

And we come off, he says, I give Vake, he was very gracious. He said, I'll give him full credit for the CBDC policy. He's like, you know, I didn't like him when he was running against me. It's funny how that works when somebody, when you're competing against him, but I like him now. Right, right. And you know what? That's competition. He respects you, I think.

Yeah, I think we have mutual respect for each other, actually. And he's tough, too. And I wouldn't respect somebody who was a wilting flower either. Right. So you teach your kids, right? You don't want, I will never teach my kids to be a bully, right? You don't go around finding people to bully, but if somebody hits you, you hit him back 10 times harder. But Trump's a bully.

Well, not with me, right? It doesn't, I mean, the bully relationship only works. It only works if you choose to be bullied, right? And so, you know, I'm not one to roll over, but I'm also, I'm a different person than Trump. We're not the same person. We have a similar vision for the country. I think we have, like, a deeply similar vision for the country, and we're both businessmen, and we come from the outside. But I'm not the same person.

We're different people. And I think that that's good And nobody And I think a lot of people Fall into the trap Of trying to act like someone they're not Where instead, actually what you need to be Is Be your own man

Trump is his own man I'm my own man And I think that that's why we respect each other Yeah, I think that's why a lot of people gravitate to him Because he just taught it all the same old politician And when he see Trump They see some different

They see something genuine Yeah, absolutely And you know what For me eight years after being in there I haven't been in there for eight years But probably at a certain point You've got to eventually Get out

which is why our constitutional framers of the later amendments in our Constitution, said that there's term limits for the U.S. President. I think we need term limits for Congress and the Senate, too, by the way. Because I think a lot of the politicians, when they get in there, and I've noticed this. Many of them actually, they're not, when they're there for the, when they're going in for the first time, that's many times for these congressmen and these senators,

that's when they're at their best, actually. Because they're going in with idealistic principles. They're going in with some public service-minded. It's not all of them, but many of them do. Some of them are just at a pure ambition. But even the ones that go in with the right earnest purpose, after three or four terms, that becomes a career. You make enough compromises on your own principles,

the sausage making of legislation or whatever. They become like ghosts. They're like hollowed out husks of what they were when they went in. And so I do think term limits are going to be, you already have them for the presidency. But I think everybody in Washington, D.C., almost everybody basically need the term limit. A bureaucrat, a senator.

or congressman. Who votes for that? Congress? Never fucking happened. Exactly. That's the problem. So there's two kinds of term limits, though. So one is most people in Washington, D.C. aren't congressmen or senators. They're bureaucrats. People who are never elected to their position in the first place. So if I were the president, I said I would do this and I would support Trump doing this too. I haven't talked to him about this particular idea, but maybe I should, is many of those federal bureaucrats, if you're reporting to the president, and the president is limited to eight years, why should those bureaucrats be there for more than eight years either? That's something the president can implement and they don't get a say in. So at least you can get term limits for the bureaucracy.

Now, for Congress, I got a trick for you on how to do this. So here's the things that need to happen in Congress. They should not be allowed to trade stocks. I don't know where you are in this, but I don't think they should be. I mean, it doesn't make any sense. How is in the interest of the public? They shouldn't be lobbying the government for at least 10 years after they leave and they need term limits. Three terms for Congress, two terms for the Senate. Now, that's against their own interest. So why would they vote for it? Here's the answer to that question. It's how I would have done as president. I think it would work like a charm. You negotiate exactly. This is what the package looks like and then a bunch of

them aren't voting for it. And then you said, okay, one final carrot. It doesn't apply to you. Well, grandfather, UN. If you're already sitting there, all of these rules with respect to lobbying and insider trading and term limits, this is the right thing for the country. They're wildly popular amongst Democrats and Republicans alike. People agree on this. But to say, okay. And as a the final little carrot, and you can't be that naked about it because then they look terrible, but as a transitional matter, it begins on a date certain, pick 2030 or whatever, then they're all going to vote for it because it's wildly popular with their constituents and they get to claim

to be the anti-reform corruption people, but you have a little fine print in there that it starts, you know, in 2030. Or does not, shall not, these terms and conditions shall not apply to people elected prior to 2024. Great. Then you're good, right? You take the self-interest off the table. And so that's again, I'm a businessman. You've got to work within the incentives that people already have. And the incentives, you know, of most politicians, is they care about their self-interest first. Use that in our favor to still get done what's right for the country,

as twisted as that is. That's how I would have done it. And if I'm talking to Trump or, you know, I think Trump's going to be the next president, I think that's what I would tell him. But either way, this is what it's going to take to. You want to really drain the swamp. You've got to fire 75% of those bureaucrats.

You need term limits in the bureaucracy. You need term limits in Congress in the U.S. Senate. That's how we get this done. I got a question. Do you think Joe Biden writes his own tweets? No. I don't think most politicians... Do you got to ask that question?

How about Nikki Haley? No. Absolutely not. She had a couple that the last couple of weeks really started to sound as incoherent as she normally does on stage. I was like I actually responded to one of her tweets. I said, it looks like she actually wrote this one. but I don't think most politicians write their tweet. And people ask, what's your social media

strategy? Because I started at literally zero. I wasn't even on social media. We've generated a lot of following. And of all of the other presidential candidates, it's been on fire. And I said, my best strategy is write your own posts. Right? And so they don't have the time to do that. So what I do is I just post mine on X. And then I got a team that across all the other platforms, they'll just use the similar text that I put on

X. But at least the original ones came from me. Don't get no real than that. Yeah, I mean, why not, right? You'll be sitting there if you feel it, just put it out and say it. Exactly. My general view is if it's going in your head and you're running for U.S. president, people might as well know what's in your head. Exactly.

Just say it. Sometimes it gets in trouble, but it's not that bad. He still believe it. Everybody knows Trump's tweets are real. Yeah. I don't know that's hell. I don't think anybody doubted that one. So this upcoming election, do you think Trump's going to take back to White House?

I do. I do, but I have some concerns about the next few. months. I'll tell you what happened is, I've been saying this for a long time, and I'm saying it today, and it makes a lot of people in our Republican Party and a lot of Trump supporters mad. It made him mad when I said so in the race, but I'm still going to say it because it's the truth. And I'm not going to say it, oh, I was right. Now you can see it kind of thing, but got to open your eyes. So warning. What are they, what's happening? Nikki Haley, she has no path to be the nominee, zero, to defeat Donald Trump through the front door. If, in fact, if you look at

that New Hampshire primary, and I said this, I was there last night before I came here. The New Hampshire for the Victory Party last night, slept in my bed in Ohio, you know, woke up some of my kids and I'm here with you guys in Nevada. But last night, let's talk about what happened. The electorate in New Hampshire, in the GOP primary, for the first time in history, there were more Democrats and independents who voted in the GOP primary than Republicans alone. So that's like a general election test match, and Trump still won by double digits. And by the way, they played a little trick there. Nikki came on stage right when there was like a tiny fraction. They said it was 7%.

No, it was a double-digit win for Trump. But she still doesn't drop out. Why? There's no path to beat Trump through the front door. But what the donor establishment is rooting for it, I've been saying this for a long time. And you could go look back months ago. People say it was conspiracy theorist, crazy man.

Well, now it's played out exactly like I said it would. They want to narrow this to a two-horse race. they want to eliminate Trump from the ballot one way or another, and they want to trot their puppet into the White House. Okay. So I was actually, so when I said this, I've been saying this for a long time, first people on the left and MSNBC in New York Times,

it's an increasingly conspiratorial language from the Vyakram Islam. So they were pissed about it. But then it started to look like it's gradually moving in that direction. And I think for a lot of America First Patriots, like us, it still hit a little too close to home, and they started attacking me. They said, oh, Vivek is saying, Vivek is saying this out of self-interest or convenience. No, actually, I want to make a clear point. The reason I dropped out after Iowa, I got 8% in Iowa. I was about to get 8% in New Hampshire. I wanted to drop out after Iowa, because I wanted my 8% to go to

Trump so that he could have an even more decisive victory over Nicky. That's why I dropped out after Iowa. But it doesn't change the truth of what I'm saying right here is the system still is doing by hell or high water, everything in its power, to have narrowed this down to two horse race, eliminate Trump one way or another and prop Nikki Helip. So I'm just going to take this out because I saw this last night after I got home from the New Hampshire rally, right? So back from conspiracy theory to, let me just pull this up, Wall Street Journal editorial board. All right. I'm going to read you exact quotes that's coming from the Wall Street Journal editorial board, which has been, you know, Nikki Haley's cheerleading squad for the better part of the last several

months. And so I'm not making this up. So they're laying out why Nikki Haley needs to stay in the race after she just lost by double ditches in New Hampshire, where is actually driven by independents and Democrats that outnumber the Republicans in Republican primary. After getting trounced across the board in Iowa, here's what they say. So let's see here. I'll just pull this up. I think I, so don't take it from me. I'm going to give direct quotes from the Wall Street Journal. If she can remain competitive, there's an argument for Ms. Haley to stay in the race through the July Convention, the RNC Convention, because Mr. Trump faces a treacherous legal road,

Ms. Haley could stay in the race, rack up delegates, and see what happens if he is found guilty. Now, it gets worse than that. They go later in the article. This is straight from the Wall Street Journal editorial board. I'm going to ask you guys, what do you think they mean by this when they say this?

Strange things can happen with candidates who are this old and this disliked by a majority of the public. the 2024 election may have more twists before the Trump versus Biden die is cast. It's the word they use, die is cast. Sounds like an assassination. What does that sound like to you? I'm just going to read... It sounds like they know something.

I'm just going to read this to you again, okay? I just want people to... Because when I was saying this three months ago, people's a conspiracy theorist, when I was saying this one month ago, MAGA and a lot of other supporters are hitting me and say, how can you, how dare you say this? I've done everything I can.

I dropped out. I wanted to send my support Donald Trump's direction, and I believe we're going to make sure that this doesn't happen. It's my job to make sure that Donald Trump wins this. It's all of our job, but I'm going to do everything in my part to make sure Donald Trump wins this election. And all of us have to do the same thing, too, because our country depends on it. Right, exactly. But what do you have from the establishment? Word for word, Mr. Trump faces a treacherous, treacherous legal road. Think of that way. Tretcherous legal road. Ms. Haley could stay in the race, rack up delegates, and see what happens if he has found guilty.

later. Strange, I'm not making up the quote. This is just from this morning's or last night's Wall Street Journal. Strange things can happen with candidates who are this old and this disliked by a majority of the public. The 2024 election may have more twists before the Trump versus Biden die is cast. Untimely deaf, he found... It's weird. I mean, it's weird. I mean, It's like they know something that we don't know. It's freaking weird. Yeah. And I think that we in our movement, and I said this before and people got mad at me.

And maybe at this point people have understood, I'm out of the race, right? I threw my support behind Trump because I want to prevent this two-horse race situation from happening. And as I said in the stage alongside Donald Trump last night, I view that last night is the night the general election begins. We got to basically move to the general election and Nikki Haley's done and treat it like it's done. But the establishment. is still putting up their own alternative vision. And it's downright bone-chilling, if you think about it, in terms of the game they're trying to play.

And so we cannot be duped, is all I will say, is we have to open our eyes, people. Okay? People say, and this is the part where you get a little bit of irritation from me now. Oh, well, he sounds, does he sound like Obama? Versus you got the real plot hiding in plain sight people. Open your eyes. And they keep saying that Republicans

conservatives, we're the biggest threat to democracy. When they be trying to remove them from the ballot from the very... Oh, literally. I mean, first is the protest. Then it's the civil suits. Then it's prosecution at the state level. Then it's federal prosecution number one. Then it's federal prosecution number two.

Then forget the prosecutions. They're not working. Forget the judicial system. Just removing from the ballot directly through the court system in Colorado. That doesn't work. Forget the court system. Just have a secretary of state do it. And that's all just last year.

And now you're here in January the kind of stuff. I'm just reading to you coming from straight from the mouth of the Republican establishment. So think about what that means for this system. These people will stop and nothing. And to your point, it's like Biden is a horrible candidate. I can't believe the Democrats are like trying to remove him for somebody else. There's more that gets more votes because he sucks.

He sucks, but there's something more devious going on, right? So I think the puppet masters of Biden have realized he's not even a good puppet anymore. Like the puppet isn't like functioning. The trumpet is having a malfunction. And then they've got this Kamala Harris problem because if they get him out of the way, you can't just put somebody else in her, then you're going to be racist and misogynistic

unless you go with Kamala. Is Kamala her as black or is she... She's actually half Indian. She's like a fusion of us. But you get like the worst version of everything imaginable in the actual product, which has nothing with her being black or Indian. It just has to do with her being idiotic, actually.

She's claiming she's black. And she only started doing this when she was running. for vice versa. She'll claim to be whatever you need her to be. Because her dad looks like me and then her mom is full-blown, you know, what, Indian, right? Yeah, yeah, exactly. All of a sudden, she's an African-American.

Yeah, so we're, we both have something to be deeply ashamed of. But they've got the Kamala problem. So they don't want to get Biden out of the way because then they're saddled with this Kamala problem. So they figure out there's a whole better way to do this, guys. Just do it within the Republican Party itself.

Right. So the very people who are paying to keep Donald Trump off the ballot, like Reed Hoffman, he's the founder of LinkedIn. One of the social media networks that try to censor me, by the way. But the founder of LinkedIn, Reid Hoffman, who's paying for the lawsuits against Donald Trump is also one of the biggest super PAC puppet master donors to Nikki Haley, who is adopting the policies that sound a lot like Joe Biden's except it's in the Republican brand. And so that allows the uniparty to claim like they're not even left wing, right? I know we're supporting Republicans. But actually it's a much better way to accomplish the objective. And so that's why these people are pumping. They're going to pump more money than God behind Nikki Haley's failed effort right now. And if you read, if you take them at their word, I mean, some of that stuff, now that I said it, they're going to be very careful not to print that kind of stuff again.

But saying the quiet part out loud, it's pretty ugly in terms of what the plot is. And so in that scenario, we got to make sure that, I mean, God forbid that's into the right answer to is we just got to make sure. Donald Trump wins by such a decisive margin that there are no questions left on the table and that this man needs to be protected and to the full extent of getting all the way through the White House and leading for the next four years. And I just think that needs to be the focus. Because God forbid, if there's even an opening in a different direction, you see how they're going to go. And so as far as I view it last night, double-digit victory in New Hampshire, that ended

the primary. That's the answer. And that's the only choice we have left. And I'm going to do everything in my power. And I'm asking every other patriot in this country who cares about this country to do the same thing. to make sure he wins not only the primary is over, but wins the general election in a landslide, like Reagan did in 1980.

We do that this time around. He's got four more years, do that, drop the mic, and then we've got a whole movement that's going to live beyond Donald Trump. Do you think... For another 250 years? Do you think the mail-in ballots? Do you think there's any room for, like, whatever happened in our last election? My point is, why do we need to do this at all?

Yeah, you can do anything digitally online. I would say, I would go the other direction, let's do it very traditional. Single day voting on election day Make it a national holiday Make it a national holiday It's a common sense approach Paper ballots, government issued ID

to match the voter file And then I also think that English should be the only language on a ballot I don't think we need to have Multiple different languages on a ballot If you're in the United States of America We should have a common language If you don't know English you should not be posted

I agree with that right That's just common sense I think I personally also think that if you don't know what branch of government the U.S. President leads. It leads the executive branch of the government. You should know that before you're voting for the president. So I think every high school senior who graduates from high school

should have to pass the same civics test that every immigrant has to pass to become a voting citizen of the country. Every immigrant has to pass a test to become a voting citizen in the country. I think every high school senior should know the same minimums too. So this is what I believe. But regardless, single-day voting on election is a national holiday. I think it would unite the country. There's one day where we each take a moment to think, okay, we're American.

It's up to us. I have a national holiday. I don't have to go to work. It's a day of almost a national one-day Sabbath. A civic Sabbath. That's what I would call it. And that's actually something that allows us to collect ourselves once here as a country. And we have elections that we can trust and believe in rather than all the questions around election integrity.

I'm convinced that that sounds great. But common sense will hurt Democrats. an election. I don't think they want to unite this country. I don't think many of them do. I think they explode our differences and all that stuff you said is common sense. It should be in effect but it'll never happen. He's got more of them wearing hoodies and study John Fetterman's brain

and do whatever they did to him. Yeah, it's because some people just want to get reelected. They don't care about the country. They just want to maintain their power. And that's the Republicans who, for the most part, want to help the country. But it's the left. They don't want any of that what you just said. They call that what you said

racist. Yeah. They do. I mean, Coca-Cola said that about the voting law in Georgia that would require IDs. Delta and Coca-Cola called it racist. But just like the right isn't one thing, really, right? I mean, people of, some people say, Nikki Haley and Donald Trump and myself are all counted as the right. That word doesn't mean anything. Yeah, exactly. Well, I think right now, I don't think the left is really one thing now either.

And so I think if we take off that goggle a little bit of red versus blue or, Republican versus Democrat or even left versus right and sort of remix things a little bit, reshuffle things a little bit. I think what you are going to find is a lot of, maybe a lot more John Federman conversions out there, right? And I'm not saying everybody, I'm not wishing everybody else to go through a stroke

or anything else of what he went through. I mean to make light of that, but whatever it was that transformed this man, it's a beautiful thing to watch, even if it's short-term and not long-lasting. And I think America First means more to me, more to me than the term Republican does because it means two basic things. The people who we elect to run the government should be the ones who actually run the government, not the bureaucrats,

the deep state. And the moral duty of our elected leaders is to the citizens of this country, not another one. Now, say it that way, I think most average, you know, not like people in the hardcore Washington, D.C. left, but most people who will cast a vote for Joe Biden or whatever, or even some of the people would have cast a vote for Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama, you show up on a given day

asking, do you believe the people who we elect to run the government should be the ones who run the government rather than elected bureaucrats? And do you believe that the moral duty

of U.S. leaders should be to the citizens of this country, not some kleptocrat in Ukraine or whatever? I think most people would say yes to both of those questions. All right, so we have a starting point.

We've got a baseline here. And do you believe a nation should have borders? Hell yeah. I think a nation without borders is not a nation. I just drove, past the Mexican, boy, I said, holy shit,

how can it be such a stark difference between the soul right here in the United States on the other side? I was like, looking and I was like, what are they doing over? It's unbelievable. Because it's not like our land in the United States is magic. Right? Like, what the fuck are these people? And I'm like,

I was like, holy shit, people actually live over there. You see the houses on the hills and then it's like the cardboard boxes, and I'm like, you look to the left and you see all these it's a golf course in the past. We have borders because we have different ideas. And the reason people want to come this way is because of ideas.

Because of what that vision creates. Those ideas create a country where you're able to live the American dream, like people like us have been able to. But I think most Americans agree with that, actually. I think 80% of Americans agree with that. So, yes, there is this toxic fringe that has captured the Democratic Party who believes that the United States of America shouldn't exist, who hates our country

and our founding ideals, and it's trying to do everything in their power to cause it to cease to exist. I mean, this thing that, you know, 10 years ago, what Democrats were saying, including Biden and Mayorkas, the current Homeland Security Secretary, they were saying, oh, well, we needed population change in the United States

as a way of securing lasting electoral majorities. Today, if a conservative says that's what's happening, somehow that's a conspiracy theory, by the way. That's how they label everything that's right. But literally, Democrats were stating that as an electoral strategy 10 years ago and that was an accepted strategy. So I won't use the label, right?

There's a label for this theory. Forget the theory. Forget the label for the theory, because then people lose their minds. Let's just talk about, is it or is it not true that the Democrats for last part of the 10 to 20 years were engineering open border strategies that would change the composition of the electorate

and easing voting rules to allow those illegals to participate in elections to change electoral outcomes? The answer is, yes, how do you know? They said they were going to. to do it, and then they did it, and then it happened. So it's not that complicated. That's a white conspiracy theory. But that's a conspiracy theory today. So I think that what we need to do ourselves is not fall into the trap of either applying our own labels or the labels that the left will give us, but just to talk about the actual truth. Is that what's happened in this country?

And was that a state of strategy? Yes. And I think there's a lot of people. You know, I was in New New York City a couple days ago and got together with, you know, I would say something, I was in Manhattan a couple days ago. Visit my in my in-laws and saw some friends and family. We haven't seen it a long time. I was supposed to be in New Hampshire, but I ended up dropping out of the race. We had some spare time. So we said, ah, let's go see some friends and family. It was not the same New York City, even that it was, you know, eight years ago. And I don't mean in terms of just a crime and everything that's much worse. It is.

And the illegal mass migration is much worse. but it's changed the mindset of a lot of people there. We were in the Upper West Side. This was a liberal bastion. We've got people looking out of cars. I'm not kidding. I'm walking right on Central Park West. People are coming out of cars.

They've got people sticking their heads out of their cars while they're driving and saying, we love you. I'm with you. That doorman coming up to me saying, you know what? I'm with Trump, but I love you, but don't tell people I'm with Trump, but I'm with Trump this time. Other people come down, I would have been with you. Now I'm with Trump. And what I wanted to tell all of them,

A bunch of them were even dormant to the different buildings we were visited. Would say, hush, hush, but don't tell anybody. I was like, about 30 other people already told me that today, so you all can just say it out loud to each other. It's different than what it was even 10 years ago. I lived in New York, even back in 10 years ago when I lived in New York, the political environment as different as a consequence of people seeing with their own eyes, what those policies have done to their own cities.

You got to learn the hallway. You go to learn the highway. Go to the south side of Chicago. I said, I went earlier. People agree with me more on the border policy. policies and on Ukraine than even many Republicans like Nikki Haley. And so this is an opportunity right now this year. I think this November, we could have the good, I gave you the, what I see is a dark and sidious plot playing out. As long as we stop that from happening, I think this could

be a landslide for the country. And you know, a landslide minus some shenanigans is still a win. Right, right. But I think that's going to be an event that could reunite our country like we haven't seen since 9-11. Oh, man, you get my hopes up. I believe that could happen this year. I really believe that's, I believe that is what's going to happen. I'm going to do everything in my power to make sure that is what happens. I'll give you my word on that. And I can't tell you which position or how or whatever, but whatever it is,

I'm going to do everything in my power to make sure this next six months culminating in November is a unifying event for this country like we haven't seen in 25 years. I hope so. Vivek, what do you think, I'm looking at the touch on the border crisis a little bit. I'm seeing all this mass migration of, I mean, I don't really understand. I mean, they say what we're saying is a conspiracy theory, but they're actually overstepping our federal immigration laws. I mean, what are the Democrats' policy?

Because these people that they're letting come to our country, I don't really understand the process of immigration here, but I don't get why you let people come in. They're unbedded. They're not coming through the front door. They're coming through the country legally. what kind of documentation? How are we vetting these people? Do they even come back? And if they do come back, what's the percentage of people to show up for their court dates? So we don't even have good answers to that question because those court dates are still like five years out. Yeah, it doesn't so.

And so I think the percentage would come back for their court dates are going to be minuscule. Five years? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. It's just like a five-year document. So I've been to Eagle Pass, Texas, in this campaign. And there's a part of our border crisis nobody's talking about is the northern border, which we can touch on in the other. Canada. It's actually people laugh when I bring this up, but it's not the Canadians. It's people with, actually, if you have really bad intentions to do bad things in this country, you're not going to anymore take the risk of coming through the southern border. You're going to go to Canada and coming through the northern border. We've had more illegal crossings last year at the northern border than the last 12 years combined. And yet enough fentanyl crossed the northern border to kill three million Americans last year. So we'll put that to one side, but I don't want people to forget about that. But let's Let's talk about the southern border. I'm in Eagle Pass, Texas. It's not like you have a bunch of illegals kind of coming over, sneaking across, chase scenes.

How do you chase them and capture them? And oh, we're just don't have enough Border Patrol able to do it. It's not like that. It's that our own customs and Border Patrol is facilitating the mass migration. It's almost like it's like an assembly line, a mass process they have. Right. Which goes back to the fact that if you think about this as a technical issue, right? Like, let's say this is a technical challenge.

Oh, is it a fence? Is it barbed wire? Is it a wall? Is it the aquatic barriers in the river? And then we have this fake debate about those tools. Any of those things work. The problem is not the technical issue. It's a problem of intention.

The intention is to do exactly what's happening right now. You got to understand that it's not that we're failing to secure the border. It's that we're succeeding at making sure we don't have one. That's really what's happening. So what you're seeing at the southern border, if you think it is a failure of implementation, you're missing the point. It is the success of a plan that has been laid for about 20 years to change the composition of the U.S. electorate. And then once you understand that, you realize, oh, well, that makes a lot of sense because remain in Mexico is still the policy. But why isn't Majorcas or the DHS underneath them or the entire Biden administration enforcing Remain in Mexico when that's the stated policy of the U.S.?

It's because it's not that they're like forgetting to do it. It's not like, oh, I forgot. It's that that was actually the intention. So many people coming in right now, they'll get these forms, and they'll say, here's the box you check, and they'll teach them how to do it. You check the asylum box. Oh, yeah.

And let's say you don't know what it says, because most of them don't know English. We'll just say, no, no, no, no, here's a translated version, or just here's the box you check. And then you check asylum, there's a whole process that then says, okay, I have to come back for my court date. Okay, when's my court date? Five years.

You think they're coming back? Nope. You're not showing back in five years because the whole game plan is five years. There'll be some plan for mass amnesty anyway, so they think they're going to be fine. So that's how the game is. So even today, and I favor militarizing the border. I favor aquatic barriers. I favor all of that.

But even today, like tomorrow, let's say they just said, okay, if you check the box asylum, you have to provide some documented proof of political persecution. 80% of the people in this country could not come into this country who are coming into the country right now. Couldn't be coming in. And so that's not... Easily 80 plus percent. And so in the night before I went to the southern border, by the way, the night before at the very site where I was,

apparently there's two men from Lebanon that had just stuck it. Let's just think about that. Lebanon. I don't think that if you came all the way from Lebanon to Mexico in the wake of what just happened on October 7th over there and escalating tensions in the Middle East, and you came from Lebanon and you're trying to cross the Rio Grande into the United States,

I don't think there's a lot of good going on right there. I think that... Yeah. And then actually at that same site, you had actually had two Honduran men smuggling a woman from North Korea. From North Korea, think about that, into the United States.

Now, to bring this full circle about checking the box of asylum, North Korea actually is one of those countries where if you're seeking political asylum in the U.S., you could just do it legally, and they'd give it to you. But here's a woman from North Korea who's not seeking political asylum through the front door

but is being smuggled by two Honduran men who are seeking political asylum through the back door. That's weird. That is. I mean, that's really weird. These are people who are up to no good. Yeah. And so that's weird as a woman standing up pissing.

Yeah. Which apparently happens. That's a thing now. Hey, that's part of the deep state. That's very transphobic of you. Yeah. It's very transphobic of you. I'm sorry.

I'm just, I'm disgusting. I'm disgusted at that level of transphobia. You know, let's talk about that. I've been labored transphobic. I've had, we had comedy shows that was canceled by LGBTQ. You guys who used comedians? Yeah. Oh, I don't realize.

Stand up. Yeah. Okay. They're like transgender jokes. And they said we was transphobic. A lot of people don't know, like, my babysitter for my child was a female. She was gay, right? But she was experiencing, she went to be a man.

And she actually works for me. At the time Does she do a good job In taking your care of kids? She did a damn good job Well that's what matters there We had a couple of straight people coming at And they were horrible

I said man I'm sticking to the gays So she came and I thought She was gay Right You can tell when someone's gay That's oh she's gay But she's cool

Right She's good gay She's good her job As a question Yeah so She about about a year after working for us It's hard to find a good nanny Also

Yeah Yeah After about a year Working for us She sat us down And said hey I got to talk to you I said, okay, oh, man, she's going to give her two weeks.

That's what I'm thinking. She said, well, I'm going to be transitioning the next two weeks. And I told her, I said, hey, I needed 30 days notice. Yeah, because you didn't know what the hell it was. I didn't know what the hell it was. I didn't know what to hear she was talking about. She said, no, I want to become a man. Okay.

I said, you want to become a man? Why? And she explained to her, and she said, well, I'm going to be taking testosterone. Things are going to be changing. And I didn't think any different about her because she was an adult. How old she? She was, I think, I think, early 20s.

Okay. Early 20s. Foregrant adult, though. Yeah, foregrown adult. She had a boyfriend that wanted to be a woman. Wait, you kidding me? No, no.

And most trans-dendrous are like this. The guy wants to be a woman, and when I'm getting confused. The guy wants to be a woman, and the woman wants to be a man. And they still have straight sex. And they're considered gay. It's very,

I mean, this is some serious, there's like mindbenders right here. You know, You could actually have some logic puzzles here. The more of the story, I do not hate transgender people. Like, my daughter's gay. And I love them more than anything. I don't hate gay people.

It's just the majority of the things that comes from the left is all lies because they have an agenda. And I don't hate anybody. I just hate the ideology. I would say if you're fully grown adult, you're free to live your life however you want. As long as you're not hurting somebody else. You're not foisting that on the kids in our schools. You're not foisting that. I don't think kids should be allowed to undergo that transatlose.

She's a full-grown adult. It's her choice. Kids being allowed to do it because they have going through some mental health struggle? No. So I say protect children. And then you also should not be able to change the way everybody else lives their life. Right. So the way women compete in sports.

All right. If you're a guy with all your guy body parts and you're having sex with women, but you are somehow competing with women in a swimming competition to win the gold medal, it doesn't make any sense. This just doesn't make any sense. Well, I did not figure this out. And when I'm making this up, there's a reality of what's happened

in the country over the last year. And so that's my view is. You want to live your life the way you want to address how you want to, identify how you want to, as long as you're not hurting anybody else, neither I nor any government is going to stop you from doing it because America is a free country. It's the land of the free in the home of the brave.

But if you're going to force that on the children, we're going to change the way we otherwise live our lives or expectations of the way we change our language or the way we label our bathrooms or whatever. No. we're going to live by the same norms that we have, but you are free to live your life the way you wish to. And so we can't fall into, you know,

say it that way. I don't think that many people disagree with you. Oh, they're still going to call you homophobic. I mean, I don't care with that. I mean, if you're going to be homophobic if you actually, if you believe that, I don't know, that the planet isn't warming enough. Climate change denier isn't going to have to call you homophobic for that too, right?

So I had an interesting incident in Iowa, actually. There was a woman who she... I think I saw this. There's a couple of these in Iowa. Maybe you saw this when she was a veteran. It turned out. We ended up, made her become pretty good friends after it. She's like, I disagree with your views on LGBTQ.

And I said, okay, well, we had... She was shouting at the event. And I let her say her peace. But I share with her that I don't believe men should be competing with women in women's sports competition. She said, what did you say? I said, I do not think men should be competing with women in women's sports competition. She said, no, I agree with that. So I said, where do we disagree?

She's like, I'm a lesbian. I said, okay, I still don't have any disagreement. Continue, where's the disagreement? And it turns out, she was like, well, do you think that we should be doing a better job to take care of our veterans? I said, yes, I do. She said, I am a veteran. That's great.

Gave her a high five. We actually ended up having a pretty friendly interaction after that. So I think a lot of the labeling ends up creating an artificial divide that is actually fake at its core. It's manufactured. There are true ideologically crazy people who will want to see nothing short of this nation being divided to a breaking point. But I think most people share the same basic vision of saying that we're one country with differences, but we still share some basic ideals in common. That's what makes us America. I think we've just got to rediscover that.

I'm just convinced Democrats condition their voters to think a certain way based on their gender, based on their race, based on their sexuality. They're not preaching objectivity. That's why I think diversity is a weakness of the Republicans because we have a different, we're seeing things and do you have people on the left to see things totally different until we can have more diversity. I know we shouldn't give diversity, I mean,

positions to people. We merit. Merit. But I think it's going to happen naturally. I think it's going to happen naturally once we start actually standing for some hard values. Now, you mentioned about the... No, shut up.

Okay, let me say so. Like, you bring up the border, right? Yeah. I think that's part of the deep state is what's got that. Oh, yeah. I mean, that literally is the deep state. Yeah. What do you think to you?

What is the deep state to you? The deep state are the people who are not elected to run the government, who exercise political power as though they were elected to run the government. That's the answer. The deep state really is. Rich people run in a good country. They're not all rich even. Some of them actually are pretty ordinary in their individual well.

But they're people who exercise far more power than they ever should have. What the deep state really is? I mean, this is, oh, man, we could go a couple hours on this one. Right, yeah, yeah. What the deep state really is, is it is old world Europe, pre-1776, rearing its head again. I'll tell you what I mean by that. For most of human history, there was a deep skepticism that we could actually self-govern, that we the people could be trusted to make our own decisions of how we govern ourselves.

Because for most of human history, the way it was believed is only kings actually had the enlightenment to know what was best for you. And so the people who are the proponents of the deep state, they actually operate according to what they view as benevolence, that they know what's right for you, that you can't possibly know what's right for yourself. So even though we tell you you get to vote for president and vote for your congressman and vote for your senator,

that's dangerous because you might elect the wrong person. You might elect a person who still doesn't do what's right for you. And so that's why it takes, somebody in the deep state who was never elected to say, here's why you can't burn carbon out of your car and you need an electric vehicle. Here's why you need racial quota systems to ensure justice. Here's why you need to make sure that you stop drilling so that the climate change in the planet doesn't continue to burn itself out of existence. Is it's for your own good? So that's what the deep state really is, is the people who were never elected to exercise political power because

they believe that we can't be trusted to govern ourselves. So in some ways the deep state, state predecessor was the monarchy. That's what we fought an American Revolution for. The American Revolution was fought over rejecting that monarchical bureaucratic vision. So if we don't get angry about it, but we just see it for what it is, what we realize is we're actually the weird ones in America post-1776, because for most of human history, it was always done this way. I mean, the idea that you get to speak your mind as long as I get to in return, the, that you're The idea that all of us get a vote to decide who leads our country and sets our political policies, those are crazy ideas, actually.

Because for most of human history, it was done the other way. So once we acknowledge, we got this weird thing going called the United States of America after 1776, is a bizarre idea that bucks all of human history. Then we realize that deep state isn't something strange. It's actually very familiar. It's actually the way it's always been done, is that the people, behind palace halls. That's how it used to be done.

Now those palace halls are ugly-looking three-letter government agency buildings in Washington, D.C. FBI. Yeah, worst-looking palaces, exactly. But that's what really this is, is it's just the old world rearing its ugly head again. That's what the deep state really is. But, Vic, have you always been Republican? I've always been pro-American. I voted libertarian in my first election, actually.

Back in 2004, I did not find George Bush compelling. I did not find John Kerry compelling. I thought the Iraq war was a disaster. I think the Patriot Act and a lot of the policies, you know, the surveillance state that we created after 9-11. I was against it then. So I've always had strong libertarian tendencies. I call myself maybe a libertarian nationalist, as I think what I would say. It's pro-American 76. I'm pro-September 6. I'm pro-1776. I'm pro-constitution. And yes, I mean, obviously in today's environment between the two parties, I'm using the Republican Party as a vehicle to advance this pro-American agenda. But hopefully, and I think that's what Donald Trump did in 2016. I mean, he turned the Republican Party into a vehicle for advancing the America First agenda. But I think it takes an ideology deeper than the label Republican to actually mean something. And so hopefully part of what I'm doing is redefining the Republican Party to actually be the party of 1776. So if we're the party of merit, of free speech, of self-governance, that's what we're just talking about, the bureaucrats shouldn't run the show, the rule of law.

Yes, if those are the foundational values of the Republican Party, then count me in. and I'm here to make sure that those are the foundational values of the Republican Party. And on the back of that, my answer to your question would be, yes, I am a proud Republican. Yeah, we used to be Democrats. I voted for Bill Clinton, Al Gore. I voted for John Kerry, but I was new to politics. I stood in that line for two hours because I thought Republicans were racist. Yeah, and that's what I thought because being black, that's what your condition.

It's in our culture. And that's why I was. I didn't know that about you guys, but I think I'm not surprised. And I think that's, I think that's great. I think you should, maybe you already do this, but you should, I probably haven't seen most of your stuff. Maybe I should. But I think you should talk about that more and give people, especially today a lot of courage. I do that.

And you know what? I gentrified my own audience. You did? You should go on Breakfast Club, man. I just went on there. I mean, you'd be very frustrating for you. Yeah. But I think, I think you actually, I think, or whatever, programs that reach people outside of just our own base right now.

because you could speak to it from the other side of having seen things a little differently. And here's how I see them today. I think that's powerful. I think you did a great job. I mean, those hosts of that show is God awful. But I read the comments and you handled them all well. I think you changed a lot of minds while you're on that show. I think we did too, actually.

Yeah, but those hosts on that show disingenuous. I mean, there was all night coming up over to catch you. You're not doing it for the hosts. Yeah. You're doing it for the people, good-hearted people who have been forced to, fed a lot of garbage for a long time. But again, it's our job as leaders. And you know what? There's a lot of different ways to be a little.

Cultural leaders are leaders too. But part of the job of a leader is to lead people to what they already know to be true but can't yet see with their eyes. That's the job of a leader is to open their eyes. And so sometimes I think we don't do enough of that. Leaders, so-called leaders in the Republican Party just talking to our own tribe, as opposed to actually speaking with conviction and principle to people who may on the surface disagree with you,

but come out realizing that it won't be like instantaneous, but it'll be somebody who sees it a little differently than they did when they first came in. And if we do that, then I think our country's best days are still ahead of us. And I'm not saying this to brag because I think everybody else,

everybody has their role to play. But that's something that I think I have been able to do even in the last year that I hope more people in our party and our movement also step up to do too to say it wasn't that scary, right? Because all the political consultants would tell me don't do it. I mean, that's the classical advice. Because there's going to be some viral moment to somebody making a fool of you.

Actually, I don't even think that happened once. And maybe if it happened once, so be it. No, I didn't think it did, actually. I didn't really warned. But I say eyes wide open, if somebody wants to make a fool of me and some gotcha question that I didn't know the answer to, fine, I'll take that risk. It's no big deal, because embarrassment is a choice, by the way.

People forget that. Nobody can embarrass you. I can embarrass myself, though. Embarrass yourself. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Embarrassment is a choice of the recipient, but actually it never happened. I think it never even happened that somebody thought I should be embarrassed to have gone in one of those programs. To the contrary, I think we actually, I didn't instantly convert them to our movement, but I think six months in, a lot of those people I'm seeing in New York City now, different than the people, even some of them friends, seeing the world very differently than they did 10 years ago. That's how we actually lead and reunite, dare I say, reunite this country, not by compromising on what we stand for, but by actually having enough self-confidence to stand for it even in the face of people who think they disagree with us, but in their heart of heart, may not. So anyway, when I hear you tell your story that you voted for John Kerry, that's a cool thing to say, thank you, or Al Gore or Bill Clinton.

It gets worse. I voted for Obama. Yeah. That's my rare pill moment. No, once. I'm not just stupid. I was like George Bush, fool me once, show me on me? Fool me?

You can't fool me again. Yeah, yeah. So after I voted for Obama, I voted for actually Matt Romney. He's probably twice as worse. Yeah. He wasn't any better. I sat that one out, to be honest with you. Yeah.

That's the birth time I sat that out. I voted for Republican. Yeah. Is that right? Yeah. He disappoints me, man. I mean, we don't need to go into that. We're probably wasting air time that we could talk about other things.

He's a waste of time. But that's my point is, forget the R versus D label. I voted libertarian in my first election. I came around, you know, I mean, I believe Donald Trump actually reinvented the Republican party. Yeah, he did. He saved it. But we've got to take it to the next level. We can't just stop there. I mean, this is, what are our founding fathers say if they were alive right now is they would say, great. Donald Trump revived a lot of those 1776 ideals, but it didn't start

in 2016. It started in 1776. Right, right. And you all still have another 250 years, and then some still left in you. And so the next four of those years are going to be led by Donald Trump. But it's up to us to continually define. What are the principles of America first? It's bigger than one man. It's bigger than me. It's bigger than Trump. I'm telling you, Trump needs you as vice president. I'm going to do whatever is required for the country. I would be very disappointed if he don't choose you. Is that right?

Man, who are you? There's a lot of, there's good people. I'm a black American. If he doesn't pick it, that's so disappointing. There's a lot of good. The Republican Party started up with the first 12 black senators. What happened to that? Yeah, I don't see that anymore.

You see you have studied your history. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe the parties did switch. Just a joking. Just joking. They transitioned. Yeah.

Yeah, so there's been a lot of talking news about what happened on January 6th. Yeah. And there's been a lot of people being, I feel, being persecuted for just being there. It's not that you feel. That's absolutely what's happening. They are literally in prison people for just being there peacefully on the grounds. That's actually accurate. Yeah.

Yeah, I've seen people in jail. And we just had a close friend that got arrested. He was just there. Yeah. You didn't do anything. He got arrested. He was there peacefully protesting. Mm-hmm.

I mean, he was screaming. Let's take our country back, but he didn't do nothing physically old. He didn't harm anybody. He didn't hurt anybody. Freedom of speech. Yeah, that's the beauty of our country. So I will tell you that if you had told me three years ago that January 6th was the product of government entrapment, I would have said that's crazy talk.

Far right, you know, conspiracy theorizing. And I was a CEO back then. And so we all, I think of myself as an independent thinker. I was writing my book, Woke Inc. as a conservative. But if you told me that government orchestrated this out, I never dismissed anything out of hand, but I said that sounds a little fringy to me.

I think if you look at the facts right now, I think it absolutely, it's my belief, that there was some level of government involvement. The only question is how much. I think if the government want to prevent that from happening, they could have. And I think it's deeper than that. I think there was somebody who was convicted,

who was taking to court, but who was acquitted in the final steps, where there was a capital police officer opening the door waving their hands. say, come on in. Well, if you've got a police officer open a door and saying, come on in,

and then you come in, and then they arrest you for it. That's entrapment. So it depends on how deep down this rabbit hole you want to go. That's the whole base of them trying to remove Trump because of the 14th Amendment, which was what was meant to keep the Confederacy.

Of course, Section 3 of the 14th Amendment, which has been bastardized into this other, into this other legal theory that Maine to Colorado is using, and we'll see where the Supreme Court comes out. I mean, I hope and expect they're going to come out and saying this is nonsense. It's not a history. But we will see.

We will see. And I think that, as I said, and this goes back to earlier discussion, I am hopeful for what is possible this November, reuniting this country. But I'm very worried about what happens between now and that. And I've said so. And one of the things my purpose in being in the race was to speak some of those hard truths. The left got mad at me before some people in our own movement got mad at me, but I still stand by it. I'm worried about what this holds in story. Even if you go back to the truth of what happened on January 6th.

So you guys remember that Gretchen Whitmer kidnapping plot? Right. So that began as a plot to storm the Michigan state capital. Interesting how that began. How did that begin as a plot? Turns out the FBI put a lot of people up to that plot. And how do we know at the end of the trial were multiple of these defendants and what became the kidnapping plot for Gretton, Schitton, Whitmer?

they were acquitted by a jury of their peers when the jury of their peers found that these people weren't going to do it but for the FBI putting them up to do it. So one of these guys, I mean, they're giving them, these are poor people. They're exploiting poor people. They give them credit cards, $5,000 credit card, go buy munitions. I mean, one of these guys apparently was using a Mexican restaurant across the street for hot water.

I mean, these are people who are not in good conditions who were exploited, like poor, poor. And they put them up to the plot, they're angry. a lot of the so-called militial organization was infiltrated up and down with feds anyway. At trial, the jury says, okay, actually these people weren't going to do it, but for the FBI and the police putting them up to it, they acquit them. One of the jurors gives this gentleman a hug. And then apologizes for what these people had been put through.

The person who was the Detroit field office head of the FBI, was a guy whose last name is Dan Tono, in October of 2020, he gets a promotion to be the D.C. field office head. You know what happens three months later? January 6th. Yeah. So then what happens on January 6th, you see the footage,

everybody sees the famous footage, the mainstream media of people who were violently, you know, storming the Capitol and whatever. What they didn't show you was video footage has come out years later, which is Robert Bullets, tear gas, into a peaceful audience. Then you see the reaction of those people,

suddenly that was only video footage released. But then the other, The other video footage that wasn't released was the Capitol Police just allowing just to open the doors, people coming on in. So much of the one of them was even waving him to come in, and the guy who came in ended up getting acquitted at trial over that exact fact. Do you think Turkle calls and lost his job over that? So I think that there was probably, I wasn't in that situation. I have no idea what the dynamics were. I will say that Tucker was one of the early people who was asking hard questions. And so I remembered in January at the time when I saw it, I was like, this is terrible, what's happening in the country.

But then Tucker started asking some questions that opened my eyes, even that year to say, okay, there's a little bit of weirdness here, right? This math doesn't add up. You have an FBI that's lied for a long time. And then the more, you know, we didn't run for, but I'm a CEO. This is not my professional job. I've got other things to do. I'm raising a kid.

My wife's got a full-time job. Like most, I'm bringing that up because that's the position most people are in. I'm glad Tucker at least began to ask some hard questions. But then now I'm running for U.S. president. I got, okay, if I'm actually moving on from my business career, we're actually running for this country. This is one of the most important events that everybody discusses. It's my responsibility to not just take what's force fed to get to the bottom of what exactly happened based on the publicly available information alone. And one after another, it's one anomaly

after another. You have Christopher Ray, the media, and I would have the CNNs of the world to try to play gotcha with me, but he said there were no field off, there was no FBI agents in the field that day, no FBI informants. So I said, is that what he said? I mean, just because he said, it doesn't mean I believe him, but is that even what he said? So you go back to the congressional test, It's not what he said. That's the media says he says. What he says is we're not able to answer that question, but what I can tell you is that these conspiracy theories are dangerous or wrong or whatever it is he said.

But he never said. The head of the FBI even never was the one. The guy who gave the promotion to the Detroit field office head, the Detroit field office that was involved in setting up the fake Gretchen Whitmer kidnapping plot that the people were acquitted for on grounds of entrapment. The same FBI had Christopher Ray who gave him a promotion to then head the district. D.C. field office head three months before January 6, 2021, when he's testifying before Congress won't give a straight answer on whether there were FBI field agents in the field that day on January 6 or whether there were FBI informants, but simply says that, well, that's not something that we're

able to discuss. But when the media then distills that to the people and say, when I'm bringing up these questions to say, oh, this guy's a conspiracy theorist and spreading misinformation, say that Christopher Ray has already said that there were no field officers in the field that day. That's just dead wrong. But that's how the media does it. They'll use. some source as the basis to say something that's slightly different, and it's a whole game of, it's almost like that game of telephone, that by the time it reaches the average viewer at home who has two kids and a job and a schedule to maintain, has the right values for the country, but doesn't have the independent ability to go into this for themselves. That's how you dupe an entire country.

And so that's what gave me my special sense of responsibility in this race to speak the hard truth that really, in this case, nobody else. Nobody else. Nobody else is willing to touch that. Or same thing with the respect to the immigration policies at the border, the intentionality of it. Hard truths about go straight down the list of what we've been lied to, the origin of COVID-19. If you told it came from a lab, if you were told that it came from a lab in China, whoever said that was a racist and a xenophobia. Well, now we know that it absolutely came from that lab in China.

Your social media account would have been locked for you saying it. Right. The Hunter Mine laptop story. You could not share that on the eve of the last election. It was Russian disinformation. suppress it. Now we know that it absolutely was grounded in truth. Everything their keys of republics are doing, they're actually doing it. On steroids, right? And this is George Orwell. I mean, he was a great author, great thinker.

Right. Anybody who's telling you they're actually the threat to democracy, the people claim to be the threats to democracy, or claim the other side of the threats to democracy are the ones actually presenting that greatest threat in their own right. And so war is peace, truth is fiction. Man is women? Man is women. Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. The denial of actual truth itself.

And as the slogan of our campaign, one word. Truth. Yeah. Stand for truth. Ava Vick, I will be able to thank you for being our first guest. I mean, I think you are as real as they come. I don't know why anybody labeled you in the unreal. Yeah. But to us, you're real as it gets.

And I want to thank you for being here with us today. I appreciate that, guys. Good talking to you. And you keep doing what you're doing. Let me keep my own. You hope you don't bow out. I don't think you will. I'm not going anywhere, man. man you're a leader we're just getting started we're just getting started i promise you okay thank you thank you guys i appreciate it