How Did This Get Made? - 88 Minutes w/ Pete Holmes (HDTGM Matinee)

Episode Date: February 24, 2026

Hooah! Al Pacino stars in the 2007 thriller 88 Minutes—a movie told in real-time that's mostly just Pacino making phone calls. Pete Holmes (You Made It Weird) joins Paul, June, and Jason in our "most secure files area" to suffer through this crime mystery and the accompanying false leads, bonkers character names, first draft dialogue, and so much more. (Originally Released 03/13/2012) • Go to hdtgm.com for tour dates, merch, FAQs, and more• Have a Last Looks correction or omission? Call 619-PAULASK to leave us a voicemail!• Submit your Last Looks theme song to us here• Join the HDTGM conversation on Discord: discord.gg/hdtgm• Buy merch at howdidthisgetmade.dashery.com/• Order Paul’s book about his childhood: Joyful Recollections of Trauma• Shop our new hat collection at podswag.com• Paul’s Discord: discord.gg/paulscheer• Paul’s YouTube page: youtube.com/paulscheer• Follow Paul on Letterboxd: letterboxd.com/paulscheer• Subscribe to Enter The Dark Web w/ Paul & Rob Huebel: youtube.com/@enterthedarkweb• Listen to Unspooled with Paul & Amy Nicholson: unspooledpodcast.com• Listen to The Deep Dive with June & Jessica St. Clair: thedeepdiveacademy.com/podcast• Instagram: @hdtgm, @paulscheer, & @junediane• Twitter: @hdtgm, @paulscheer, & msjunediane  • Jason is not on social media• Episode transcripts available at how-did-this-get-made.simplecast.com/episodesGet access to all the podcasts you love, music channels and radio shows with the SiriusXM App! Get 3 months free using the link: siriusxm.com/hdtgm Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Al Pacino has 88 minutes to live, which is 86 minutes too long. We saw 88 minutes, so you know what that means. Now we're how did this get made? We're going to have a good time, celebrate some failure. How did this campaign? Let's follow in the mediocrity of subparart. Perhaps we'll find the answer to the question. How did this get made?

Hello, people of Earth, and welcome to How Did This Get Made. I am joined, as always, by the fantastic Jason Manzuchus, And the wonderful June Diane, Raphael. How are you both? Good. Pretty good. We are joined today by a very special guest. You know him from his podcast on the Nerdist Network called You Made It Weird.

Please welcome Pete Holmes. Hi. Hey, everybody. And you also have other things, too. He has a great comedy album. What's her comedy album called? Oh, it's called Impregnated with Wonder. But I love how the punk rock element of how podcasts promote other podcasts.

Oh, yeah. DIY and view of that. Our podcast could be your life. your podcast could be my life. Yeah. I don't understand what that means. Don't overthink of you. I don't know.

That sentence actually makes more sense than anything in 80. I was telling Zooks, I could talk about this movie. I can't believe the show's only 45 minutes. I feel like we have to pack in so much. We should do it in 88 minutes. Before you guys got here, Pete was like chomping at the bit. I can't wait to talk about it. I just watched it this morning.

It's actually the perfect way to watch it in daylight. So you know you're wasting a beautiful day watching what might be the best worst movie I've ever seen in my life. So did you just wake up and turn it on or were there other things done? Pretty much. It was like a real fresh. I was eating eggs watching it and like when it started, you guys start. I just want to know.

No, please. Part of me I was like maybe this, maybe they're wrong. Maybe this is going to be the best. You know, I want to point out one thing. We've watched a lot of bad movies in the show and I'm beginning to see the trend with production company logos before the movie starts. And this one, When it started, it was family room entertainment.

Yes, I saw that too. And, like, written in, like, comic sands over. It's just terrible. I was like, all right, we're in virtue. I love that you went there, because I'll go one step back and say that the cover of this movie is a one-for-one rip-off of the born identity. Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's the same cover.

It's the same cover. Pause the show. Now, the movie doesn't even take place in this year. They try very hard to set up, this is like 2007, that they're playing music. Like, they go, I can't play. believe Princess Die got killed. Oh my God. Oh my God!

I forgot about that! They have to establish that it's 1997. How are we going to do that? I guess they could talk about Princess Die and we could show a picture in the newspaper. It was 97. It was 97. They lingered on the date for a couple of seconds. That's so true.

I thought that was going to be a big thing. I was like, oh, the killer's like a Princess Die fanatical. Not used. It was no reason to set the tone because that scene, that part of the movie is probably like four minutes. Like, you don't really need to establish the 90s. The movie is all false leads.

Yes. Like, they're needless false leads. And at the beginning, you don't know that. So you're like, okay, Princess Die, 97. Yeah, okay. Important. Oh, no, wait, they're not. Okay, great, whatever.

45 minutes later, they were saying names. I wasn't even making an effort to think who they might be referring to. I wrote a note at one point that said, like, this movie is all useless female names. No, but all the guy names sounded completely ridiculous, too. It was like Jeremy Goober and like Guy Lafarge. They were cartoon names. Basically, too, everyone that's a suspect could be and has probably been in a CW show.

Like they were all about the same name. Is that one tree hill? Who is that guy? Everyone, that's exactly right. You don't know where you know these actors from. But they've all been on some sort of long soap opera. It will bother you the whole film. Can I also say this isn't out of order, it's more of an overall thing.

90% of the movie takes place on the phone. Yes. And when there's, it's like a foreign film in the sense that like if he has to fill out paperwork, they show him filling out paperwork. Well, because the movie takes place in real time after the phone call. Is that what it is? Yes. The minute he gets the phone call.

So basically what happened. Wait, it just became a little bit cooler. No, it's not, though. That's why there were no cuts. Yeah. Right. Well, not, there are a cut. There are no time cuts.

Although there are, they cheats, like, huge. He's, in 88 minutes, he's able to traverse the city. Multiple times. Driving a taxi cab. Why does he drive a taxi cab? I wanted to get to that. Why does that happen? He can't get a taxi cab and be like, take me here.

He's like, I'm going to drive $100. Well, I think the idea was. How do I move the seat forward? I'm too short. I can't reach the pedals. The idea was that he wanted to drive faster than what the taxi cab. But he wasn't driving that much faster than a lot of a cab driver. At what point.

He asked the guy to get out so they could have a price. We gave him another 20 bucks and was like, give us a moment. Hemorrhaging cash. He's hemorrhaging cash to this cab driver who is sitting in the back seat. There are so many shots where Pacino is like intensely looking through papers. They're talking on the phone. And in the shot is a dirty cab driver in the seat behind him. Sort of out of focus.

Sort of out of focus. Kind of like, uh, whoa, what's up, guys? I kept thinking about the guy's ancient, like, Phil. You got a great scene. All with Pacino. You're working for two weeks. It's just like collateral. You're the Jamie Fox character in collateral.

Do I have a postcard? If you have not seen the movie, you will know, have no idea what we're talking about. Basically, so these girls, Girls are murdered. Al Pacino testifies at their trial with a little prince mustache. Yes. And then the movie cuts nine years later. That female lawyer delivered her dialogue. She's shmacting up a story.

Delivered her dialogue as if she was auditioning for like real housewives. It was insane. It was mental. This movie is so misogynistic from the beginning to add. It is so, the portrayals of women as a movie. So erogenousistic? So upsetting. And it looked like the first fucking take.

It did look like the first take. Like, just get this one out of your system. That's when it hit me that it might be terrible. And John Avnet was like, I feel like I should ask her to come down like 90%. Fuck it. Check the gate. Moving on. Moving on.

She was doing like a bad Dennis Miller like, Your Honor, my client was flippity-chat-cha. Just as soon as Annapis finished off his second for Reno. Like, what the fuck did you just say? And the judge, you can tell her to shut the fuck up. And he's just like, oh, I'll allow it. So basically, Al Pacino testifies, puts this guy away. And you're fine. We cut to nine years later, Al Pacino wakes up in a bed with this woman who's doing naked yoga.

And brushing her teeth. And brushing her teeth. In a way that looks like she's fucking given a Sonic arrow blow job. Yeah, exactly. She's got it in her mouth and her leg is up. You know, like girls do. You're right. You're right.

You're right. It's a misogynistic movie. Was that supposed to be like, this guy's got it made? What is it? Everyone wants to fuck Al Pacino. Everybody. That's the craziest thing. This movie, he's like the hottest guy of all time.

He's like Indiana Jones in this movie. And the women they cast, though, are towering over him. Molly Rill. There are police dogs that are taller than him in this movie. Al Pacino in this movie isn't tan. He's mahogany. Like, he's an odd color. His wig is out of control.

Is that a wig? Oh, right? Yes. I mean, it's a pompadour. It's a lot of it. It's like Bruno Mars is pompadour. got a pompadour. It's like, it's great.

It's as if he's practicing in this movie for his Phil Specter role. It is huge. It does add inches. If you're wondering what that banging is, it's Pete Holmes smashing the table every time he's enjoying it. I'm delighted and I refuse to contain it. I just don't want people in home to be like, why don't they answer the door? I was going to do it there, but I don't. So Al Pacino is a fuck machine.

He's a forensic scientist is what he is. Who is super rich? He's not. I just want to make sure people understand. He's not a policeman. And he's so almost a policeman. It's like CSI. It's like CSI when you think about it.

Like, those guys, they're not police. They are forensic scientists. But he does run, and he's also a professor. But he also runs a firm that does, that does, question mark, anyone? Forensic investigations, I assume. I have no idea. The leading, he's like the,

leading forensic investigator until this day, the movie the day, the movie takes place on this day, where everyone turns on him. Like, he's the hero of the world, and then all of a sudden they're like, what is the shit on Al Day? I can't even think of the characters. Jack Graham. Jack Graham.

How are you doing? Well, first of all, the woman comes back, the woman who he saved Janie Kate. He kisses her twice. He kisses her twice. Twice. Twice. Tenderly. Tendily. And whispers. You did a good day. You did a good job. He's also, he holds a lot of women's faces in this movie, like puts a hand.

Well, do you know what I think it is? Do you know what I think it is? He has to grab on to something to pull himself up. He has to grab onto something. He's using her face as an apple box. Yeah, he's like, pull it, pull it up there. Can I get a half apple girl? You did good.

He kisses her twice. That was another moment where I was like, Jesus Christ, I think this movie's going to be terrible. Oh, yeah. Have we gotten to the cookie yet? Well, that's the cookie. Well, that's the cookie. She makes him cookies. They are basically celebrating the actual.

The murderer is going to be put to death that day. Everybody is partying. The murderer who, as the movie goes, not to tip it early, they just keep overstating that there's no evidence that this guy did it. Well, that's the thing that, nine years later, they're mad at Al Pacino going, hey, hey, wait a second, maybe you were wrong. Nine years later, come on, guys. And so he gets these cookies. He goes in to be interviewed, which then opens up to my favorite scene of the movie, which is Al Pacino serving people cookies and milk. In a board room.

In a border room. And you think it's going to pay off. I still thought it was going to pay off. No payoff. There's going to be like there's going to be a thing. Like the way he eats the cookie, they dunks the cookie. There's a joke about the cookie coming. At one point, Jill Hennessey, what's her name?

No, no. It's Amy. Oh, Amy Brennaman comes out, who plays his assistant, comes out and says, Milkmaid. Yeah. A real line in the movie. Not improvised. He's like, to her, my favorite line is, he says, how come we never got married?

And she goes, well, well, because I'm gay and you're a commitment fob. She goes, I'm a lesbian. She goes, I'm a lesbian, which is even worse. Are you sure? Perfect. I thought it's why it could work.

Oh, my God. It goes, that's why we're perfect. Yeah. That's why. That's, uh. We can someone explain to me, though, so this guy... Milk made. So this guy is put away.

Is it cool if I don't say milk made? Let's just get one. Let's just get one for safety. Amy, I promise we're not going to use it. Amy, I promise we're not going to use it. Just give me one. And you're not going to use the whole take of me lingering way too long, realizing she came in at a bad moment.

That's like a 45-second shot of her being like, whoops, cuts to out, cuts back to her still going, whoops. And then she moonwalks out of the goddamn room. Thanks for the cookies. Can someone explain to me what this guy was, like what evidence there was to put him away nine years ago? Never. Basically, they're treating it like. I witnessed by the Jeannie Tate.

They're basically treating it like the fact that Al Pacino testified as a forensic, like an investigator, put this guy away. Like, that's the whole point. But there was no DNA. No, I want to do. No, the eyewitness repeatedly says that she didn't see anything in the beginning. Remember that? She did. And we didn't either.

But then we don't know. Like, no one saw what happened. Kitty saw. Kitty saw. And the kid. Oh, the kitty. So basically then. You know, so he kind of, Al Pacino's never phased.

He's never really phased by anything. I'm so glad you said that I kept waiting. Like, he gets a phone call that's like, you have 88 minutes. He's like, no problem. Call me later. And then he starts teaching a class. Yes, he taught his class. Take a listen to the phone call because it's pretty great to see this is the tenor of Al Pacino.

Here we go. Yeah. Yeah. Hello. Hello. Hello. What? Who's this?

Tick-Tock. Who the hell is this? Hey, hey. What are you saying? What are you saying? And then that's it. Then he just looks around the quad as if that person was standing in the quad with him. I'm sorry.

It's following him. From True Blood. Yeah, Stephen Moyer. Stephen Moyer, who winds up having one line in the movie that is said through a closed door. That's right. Oh, my God. Before he is subsequently shocked. He couldn't be more suspicious.

suspicious things are happening to Al Pacino and he investigates everyone but that guy he keeps seeing him he's in the class three times he saw in the apartment he saw him at the quad and he sees him again in the lecture hall he sees him in the quad and goes who is that guy afterwards

he sees him after the class too and that's where he's on the phone and he goes who is that guy who is that guy the guy is a murderer but another false lead that is so ham-fisted and nothing Basically, Al Pacino's seen this guy now three times, and he just goes, who is this guy?

And then goes back to this conversation. Anyway, so, uh, got me those phone conversations. He meets a sketchy police, a campus security guy that he has checked out. Yeah. And he questions one of his students. He's like, oh, give me a fucking phone. Give me a phone. You piece of shit.

By the way, he goes, give me a phone. Give me a phone. There is a stranger in the classroom. Yes. In a goddamn leather jacket lurking and scowling at you. Whose name is Guy LaFarge. And he. By the way, you saw outside.

He saw him outside of his apartment. Oh, no, outside of the girl's apartment. And in a bad flashback, he realizes that everyone in the movie was at that bar last night. Yes. In a, wait, in a flash. Oh, my God, that flashback made me furious. Because he has a flash. Okay, we're jumping so far ahead now.

But he has a flashback where he realizes that everybody who's in the bar behind him. In the flashback, he can see. He has, he has perspective on things that are happening behind him. He's a forensic psychologist. He couldn't examine him. his old flashback. The flashback goes to Pacino kissing the girl. Then the camera moves off of them so you can see the rest of the people in the bar who are behind him.

And he has an epiphany as if to say like, oh, now I remember. Now I remember all those things that there's no physical way I could have seen last night. Because I had my back to all these people. And just again, to draw out that thing, everyone wants to fuck him in that bar that night. He's drinking. And it seems to me that his entire office and his entire class is taught on the case of this guy, who doesn't seem that impressive as a killer. It's like he killed two women.

Like, why would this thing national? No, no, he killed a whole bunch of women. Oh, he killed all guys. No, no, remember in the phone call where he lists all the names off? Oh, okay. So there was a whole bunch of women. Other wacky names? Yeah.

Judy Waddo. Why don't you tell us where the body of them is. All the characters are like cut, like Star Trek, Star Wars characters. Like, Wato, the guy who works with me. Well, what's the guy's real name? Boba Fett. Guy LaFarge? It sounds like a Disney villain.

Oh, my God. I looked it up at one point. Hold on. Guy LaFarge. Not Guy LaFarge. Not Guy LaFarge. You gotta be kidding me. Guy LaFar.

I didn't feel like the movie was like an Al Pacino roller coaster because you were waiting for it. You're like, oh, when is he going to lose his shit? He never does. He never does. You want him to. He wants him to. The whole movie is high register, Pacino, which you just heard like, who is this? Like that?

Yeah. I want him. Yeah. you cuck sucker. They never went there. What is this? Who are you? Yeah, it was always calm.

Honestly, I think he was trying to pace himself for those 88 minutes. These are just some of the character names. Guy LaForge. Jeremy Goober. Johnny DeFranco. Wait, who is Johnny? Who is Johnny DeFranco?

Oh, this campus security guy. DeFranco. J.T. Reiker. Wait, wait, I'm sorry. Johnny, a name that sounds like Ani. DeFranco. I mean, also, Pacino and the, like, so basically he has 88 minutes to live. He just seems unfazed by that.

Yep. And to the point where he's like, I'll get my files out. Just find out who's on the top list of people who want to kill me. And as other guesses are, is it you? Like, just anybody, anybody. Everybody. Everybody within his peripheral vision. It's all the people that are right there.

It's like Lily Sobieski. Molly Ringwald. Molly Ringwald, yeah. And the guy from the O.C. Ben McKenzie. And when they did that push in on all their. faces? I was like, is this a joke? It's obviously not someone, is it?

It couldn't be. I instantly was like, oh, it's all of them. They all looked at him with fuck me eyes. Yeah, including the O.C. Yeah, everybody was looking at him like the Indiana Jones. Including Guy LaFarge. Yeah, Guy LaFarge was up for it. I just want you guys to know that the guy who wrote this movie also wrote

a lot of the fast and a lot of the Fast and Furious movies. Hollow men and then K-9, the Jimbulushi Dog movie Yes, yes And then the, I guess, a sequel to Time Cop called Time Cop Berlin Decision I thought you're going to say the sequel to K-9, K-10 That would be amazing I want to yell more about this movie Just bring up anything

Well, there was a sequence that really made me crazy Which was when, okay, so they all have to leave the university because there's a bomb scare He goes down to his car to get out of there. Leely, what's her last name? Baby Helen Hunt. Baby Helen Hunt. He finds Baby Helen Hunt in a stairwell, and she's saying that she's just been stabbed her.

Or attack. She's just been attacked. He spends, I think, two minutes of screen time running around looking for a guy who has blood on his hands. And they don't, and they remember one of them is a woman? One of the cars that he stopped is a woman. Oh, yes. Oh, this is my favorite parts. Let me see your hands.

Yeah, because she said that she bit their, or cut their hands. I bit their hands. And then basically Alpuccino's stopping everyone in the parking. Let me see you hands. Yeah. Let me see your hands. I want that as my ringtone. Let me see your hands.

But looking back at it all, but looking back at it all, because now, you know, at the end of the movie, we find out that she is the copycack. Spoiler. Spoiler. She's the Seattle Slayer. And she, can I just jump ahead to that? Yeah, go on. She effortlessly is repelling the girl.

Yes. Oh, I have a big problem with this. It took two men to pull her up, but Lili could do it with one hand. Well, she has psycho strength. Yes. Lili Selysi at the end is revealed to be the murder. And has her next victim hanging above a, like, auditorium or some big thing. And is holding it in one hand.

And is able to, like, start tape recorders and do whatever she wants to do. She makes a phone call. She's so easy. She lets the woman fall 10 feet, then effortlessly pulls her back up. And then all of a sudden, like, when the action scene happens, like the woman drops, and Al Pacino's buddy, a cop, and then like Al Pacino's buddy, a cop, they both are

like, ugh, yeah, yeah. They're trying to pull her back up, and now it's impossible. It's impossible. But that is, like we said, that is at the end. Can I please one more thing about that? Was she blind? I don't know what's going on. Who? What? No one else was confused.

I know she wasn't really blind, but there's a moment. Let me explain. What are you talking about? Well, get ready for something weird. Al Pacino comes in and Lili Sobio, the movie's so bad I would have believed anything. Yeah. And for a brief moment, I'm being vulnerable right now. I thought that Lili Soli, another twist, was that she was blind.

Ah! Listen, I will play it for you right now and you'll know what I'm talking about. Al Pacino comes in and he has a gun drawn. And she's got that weird, vacant face. Like, she's not looking at anything. She's just kind of like soft focus. And she says, is that a gun? And she goes, is that a gun? Do you have a gun?

And he goes, yes, I have a gun. And then she goes, put it down. And then he's like, I've put it down and slide it over to me. And then he tries to slide it just a little bit. I was like, because she's flying. Oh, and now I'm remembering, actually, there's another point in that scene where he keeps on saying a number of times, what if I were to tell you there was an FBI agent pointing a gun to your head. I was like, oh, my God.

I played it back in my mind. I was like, we didn't ever see her reading or anything. You know what? She could have been blind. She could have been blind. We never saw that, that's in the DVD extras. Well, there clearly were things in this movie that were done all on post. And the one thing that I want to bring my attention to is there's a scene in the car with the girl, the redhead.

Kim Cummings. And she's with Al Pacino. Best porn name of a real character in an ordinary movie. Most unnecessary sweater removal goes to. Oh, my God. Well, she obviously, she wants to fuck him to. Oh, my God. She is like gunning.

for Pacino. Oh, big time. Big time. And, like, he's over in his amazing loft, which, by the way, when he enters into the loft, the security guard,

like, he has a thing, like, how'd you know my name? Yeah. You're the security guard that works in this fucking building. And then Kim and the security card share a look that is like real weird.

I'm remembering that differently. It's a temp guy. He goes, where's Earl? But, you know, you're right that there's something fucked up happening. He goes, where's Earl? And he goes,

oh, I'm not the, but he might as well just go, I'm not the murderer. I was sending over. I'm suspect. as well. That also happened when Molly Ringwald is in the parking garage. She's like, what are you doing here? And she's like, I'm just

coming here to get my car where I always leave it. I'm not the murderer. She might as well just do that. But I feel everyone in this movie was acting like everyone should say their line and then twirl their mustache. She's like, yeah, maybe, maybe, maybe. Everyone's the maybe. So this guy isn't Earl. The door guy isn't Earl. And he goes, Dr. What's his name? Dr. Graham. Graham. He goes,

Dr. Graham, there's a package for you. And then he goes, okay. And then he goes, how did you know my name? And he goes, I didn't. It was a So let me get this straight. Everyone that comes in, you're going, Dr. Graham. And if you say yes, you get the package? What kind of a door guy are you? This is why you're a goddamn temp and not a real door guy.

Maybe the killer went in is that when you see a very short man with a crazy beard and very tans can come in. It's going to look a child to you or eye. So Lord of the Rings reference. He probably his head will not go past her desk. If you see hair, if you see troll hair walking by your eyes, If you see a man that belongs Atop a pencil, give him this. There were so many

eerie shots of that door guy that I thought for sure. Still investing and committing to the movie, I was like, surely this man is important. A solid 90% of this movie is Al Pacino answering and talking to it on a cell phone.

This movie should just be called telephone calls. And he's always like... Phone calls. Yeah. You know what? Yeah. And there's always call or wait, call. waiting and stuff? He's like, let me conference you in. So much so.

He's getting faxes and shit. The bad guy is able to just hijack phone calls. That's it. He's on the phone at one point with whoever he's on the phone with. And then the bad guy's like, did you get, TikTok, did you get my package? You can't do that. There's no rule. Like, he just jumped in. I mean, oh.

And so basically. Can I say what thing about the door guy is, you know what this movie's like? It's like life. Because you keep meeting people that don't have anything to do with it. I'm Ben. I'm like, you don't have anything to do with my storyline. Why do you have a full name? I can't deal with this.

They do that everyone has a full name. What about Sarah Jacobs? What about Bethany Monroe? Who are all these people? Why does everybody have full names? There's a girl who literally walks by and goes, hi, Dr. Graham, and he goes, hi, Lauren. That's the sum total of her acting performance.

Hi, Lauren. Why do we care about Lauren? Is she a suspect? I feel like Al Pacino's like, I got a name everybody. I'm a very famous guy in this campus. Hey, Al, could you stop making up names for the day players? Hello, Tricia McDonald. Nice to meet you.

How's your yogurt shop? I hope it's doing well. I enjoy that yogurt very much. I'll see you tomorrow. I only do yogurt Mondays and Wednesdays. Goodbye. Trisha McDonald. So much information, and it's flushed immediately.

If you watch this movie and I hope you do, pay no attention. Pay no attention. learn all these people. The doormann, I do want to point this. I don't know how to say it, but like, picture the doorman putting his, like, face against the wall and kind of just, like, he also does that thing. He's like, all right. He's just staring at him, like, with his face. Wait, the wall? He, like, he, like, kind of rounds that corner when Al Pacchina's getting into the elevator, and he's kind of like, huh, like just staring at him. Super creepy. He's got, like, a scar on his neck, and I was like, oh, he's, he's a killer.

But everybody's the killer. But why was Kim giving him that crazy look? Who? nose. And why did he, they used the take where he explained that somebody called and he uses the flashlight? Oh yes, the phone, he's like, yeah, somebody called for you and he holds up the flashlight

and he did that in a scene with Al Pacino. Hey, Mike, I like the choice you're making just to tell Pacino somebody called for him, but like maybe he's not going to get what a call is. So could you just hold up, I don't know, hold up your flashlight to your ear to insinuate that it's a phone? I actually think that's the only guy

in the movie that was aware that it was was like a comedy. Like, he was like, I'm going to do it funny. I'm going to do a funny take. Well, dude, I don't, I almost forgot about my favorite scene, which is, I guess there's, like, smoke coming through the building and they have to escape. And then Al Pacino does this thing where he jumps in front of a fire truck for no reason just to roll out of the way of it.

Alone in my apartment, daylight laughed for about a minute. That made me really sad because I felt like that was totally added in because Al Pacino's like, you know, I want to look like. An action. That really bumped me out. He's a terror. I love Tom Cruise. Tom Cruise, great runner.

Al Pacino, not a good runner. No. Every time he runs, he looks like he's holding two eggs in his hand, but he doesn't want to break. It wasn't like he was doing anything heroic or trying to help me. He just got in the way of a truck. A fire truck and just got a rolled out of the way of it. And then his car blows up. Spoiler.

His car blows up. And we all knew it was going to blow up. But then I was like, the whole point is that they're going to kill him at a specific. specific time. But they rigged his car to blow up? Just so they could get him early? What if they did get him? It would have been like, well, fuck, I had this whole finale where I'm wearing the catwoman suit and a baby Helen Hunt.

But there's no, but there's no like... And why was that apartment on fire? Why did anything happen? I think to drive them out. Why did anything happen? Like the bomb scare? I think to get them out of the apartment. It was around that moment that I realized this movie wasn't 34 blocks or whatever.

Oh, yeah. I thought it was going to be like that. I was like, why isn't this in New York? 34 blocks would be another one we should do. I'm sure that's just equally bad. This movie's price. Go ahead. Oh, I was just going to say, this is the point where he hijacks the cab.

Yes. Oh, but before that, too. Well, especially because at this point in the movie, though, you want him to just say, get out of the cab. Like, we're going. Yeah. He doesn't do that. He's negotiating.

He's like, how you don't do that? I'll give you $100 if you let me take your cab. I can drive your cat. You can stay in it. What is your full name? What is your wife's name? What's her maiden name? It's like a memory.

The whole movie's a memory game at the end. Oh, wait, did we forget about the... Where did he get there? The interview on TV? Oh, yes. That's the way that's the other things I was going to say. Did we jump that? Yeah, because that happened to the apartment.

The bad guy... He confuses in Mike Dica. He calls Mike Dica. Wait, what? The guy with the slick area, it looks like Mike Dikki. The guy that he wrong for... Neil McDonneux is on, MSNBC, Yes.

Being interviewed. With like Girdre McConnell. I still don't get it. He's like it's being simulcast. Just set up to seven. He's like, call MSNBC and get me on with this guy. What does that even mean? And so he calls in, he has minutes to live.

Yes. But it has time to call MSNBC to talk to those, to talk to Neil McDunner and like try and he's like, I'm going to mess with his head. Yeah. You know? Yeah. I'm going to get him. I'm going to get him to come out of his show. And that's probably the best Pacino of his show.

it like in the movie. Yeah. Tell me about Dahma. Domma did it. You fucking cock sucker. And then they have this argument. We're like, oh, by the way, this movie is obsessed with TiVo. Yeah.

You hear that. Yeah. That was added in post. Because they realized later they were like, he just pauses the television? Isn't it 19? Oh, it's 2000. And then also he, in the middle of the interview, the guy gets a stay of execution. And then he just stopped the interview.

Yeah. Like, okay. They're just like, they just go away from them. They're in the middle of this heated exchange. And Puccino just push his paws and hangs up. Yeah. And then, can we also? He called into CNN or whatever at MSNBC.

MSNBC. MSNBC. He calls in, it's not enough that he's having a conversation with the guy that's on his TV. We got the fucking cop partner conference stand so he can hear it too. I kept wanting to be like, why doesn't. Yeah, why would anyone care? He must be on a delay. Yes.

There's no way he can be in real time on the TV and listening to the TV. It would literally be a delay and they would be like, please turn your TV off. Go into another room. And the other thing was to, like, are you watching this while you're doing it? What the fuck? And the picture of him that they use on the TV when he's called in is like a jackoff shot. It's almost like, hey, hey, Jack, right here. And he's like, huh?

He looks like he's been writing by a ghost. And I love the fact that he's unaware that his photo's being taken. taken in that photo. It's just like, ugh. His cop buddy is listening, and the cop buddy knows that he has 88 minutes to live. And the guy's like, the killer's like, what if you only had minutes to live? Yeah. They're like, clearly saying like he's in on it.

And then the cop buddy's like, doesn't trust him two seconds after that. It's like, ah, you're lying. Can I say something about the film overall? Is it like, I don't, will this make sense? I don't know. This movie was so clearly written by one person. What I mean by that is. Every character is the same.

They all just kind of, they talk the same. Everything is just in service of the story. And this is the thing that I wrote down that's funny. They round this thought out. We didn't talk about how he breaks his cell phone for no reason. Right. There's a scene where he breaks his cell phone. And you have to watch American Treasure Al Pacino pretend to drop his cell phone in the stairwell.

And it's broken in a way that only could be done with like a bullet. And he just dropped it on the ground the way we do. gingerly dropped it. He gingerly, and he kind of gives it a little voice. He bobbles it. He bobbles. He's going to, oh, oh. What if I maybe do, like, a bobble?

John, John, get over here. John, I had an idea. What if I bobble the phone? I'm looking at the phone. I'm looking at the way it's broken, right? And I don't, I can't do it out of it. You're great. I love that, I'll be realistic.

If I don't bomb it. So anyway, no reason. He breaks the cell phone, and you're like, oh, that's kind of interesting, because now he'd not any contact with the killer and the whole premise of the movie is that he's going to be reminded how many minutes. You know what gets another phone? And he gets his phone.

And he gets all his calls forwarded to that phone. Why were we forced to watch that? What's the point? What is the point of that? But my, and then my favorite moment is at the end when the when he kills Lily Sobieski,

he saves the day, everything's going good. And the killer calls him on the phone thinking that he's Lili Sobieski and then he goes, he has a good. a big speech to him. He's like, hey, you're messed up. And he's holding the phone apart from his head. Yes. An interesting choice. And then he goes, like he goes,

what is he says? Like, 12 hours to live. TikTok. And he just throws the phone. I thought the phone. Okay, I'm the same guy that thought Lili might be blind, but I thought the phone was going to explode. It would have made,

it would have made it much sense. That was his backup plan was an exploding phone. Oh, yeah? Nine. And then the whole thing was like when he goes up to confront Lily Sobieski, she makes him confess. Yeah. Now, he does. And he confesses immediately. He confesses immediately.

But I don't understand as a viewer if he did coach those people, if he did hide evidence, because at the end of the movie, he kind of takes that tape and puts it in his pocket like. But wait, guys, what was she going to do with that tape? I don't know. She's a murderer at this point. She's not going to, like, go and now introduce it as evidence, right? It doesn't make any fucking sense. I guess every part of the movie, too, because there's a couple moments where, like, the Molly Ringwald clone calls him up. She's like, I did it.

I'm behind the whole thing. You're like, oh, okay, I buy it. And that's because Lili Sobieski has a gun to their head. Right, but you don't know it at that point. So even at that point, you're like, okay, I guess. That always seemed really obvious to me, though. I know we could see her and she was sweating and stuff, but he would always buy it. He'd be like, hey, meet me in your apartment.

It's me. I've been setting you up. It's me. And he's like, he keeps getting those calls. Well, the whole tape, the whole tape that sets off the whole day is a woman going like, Jack Graham totally lied and he did all this bad stuff. Did I say everything you wanted to say now? Don't hurt me.

And it's like, all right, this tape implicates you. It was like, she was clearly under fucking direct. She said it on the tape. She mispronounced one of the words. She got nervous for the reading. Why would you believe someone who is, who's like, you then watch being murdered for over an hour? Yes. But I have a question.

Oh, I guess Lili Zobesky, Zobieski, got the semen from the hooker to place in those bodies? Yeah, because she was made out with the hooker. Am I the only one that was, oh, wow. I stopped trying at that point. Also in that scene where they were like, they found your semen in her vagina. I was like, foul, fucking taking some risks. Yeah. I got that too.

Blowing loads right in the cave, right up there. That's what's going on. What's going on? What's the girl he met at the ball. Rapid, oh. Rapid up, buddy. Rapid. It's all dogg in it.

Raw dog and everything. I'm Jack Graham. Forensic science. I don't use condoms. That's the most absurd thing about this movie. A man who makes his living swabbing up semen just blows up with everyone. That's probably why he was so shocked to find out she was an escort. Wait, wait a minute.

I got to get a chair back to that girl. That's why he was so upset. He's got to go in. Hang on. I thought she was a law student. I wouldn't have raw doctor if I knew she was an escort. He spends 15 minutes going to a clinic to get tested in the movie. That explains this burning I've got...

Uh-oh, I guess I do have 88 minutes to live. He's going to fucking die from anesthetic. June, do you want to do... We have a new segment that we would like to do here. This is a segment called... Say what? And basically, we're just going to just take a piece of dialogue. If you guys remember this...

You know, Pete, you should actually do it. You actually do a good Al Pacino. You read the jack parts. Take a second to read it over. And this is one of my... I'll be reading Shelley. All right, here we go. Shelly, there's been a break in my place.

In my most... Sorry. In my most secure area. Did you ever give anyone clearance to go into my secure files? Jack, what are you saying? Did you ever let an unauthorized person into... I can't read it! This is a real life!

Did you ever let an unauthorized person into my secure files area? That's a line that American treasure Al Pacino memorized and delivered multiple takes. Or there was a better line that he forgot and just made that one up. My most secure... Give me the end of that here. Did you ever let an unauthorized person into my secure files area? I know you missed one of the words. I did?

I got to get it right. Did you ever let an unauthorized person into my secure files area? No, not ever. To anyone, ever. That's a real line. These things happen. Did you? That sounds like, that's like the most dirty, my most secret,

my secure area. My secure files area? That woman, where did the man touch you? Where did the man touch you in my most secure files area? Can I, I know you're an escort, but can I come in your most secure files area? Her name is Shelly, too. And there was actually a heartbreaking moment because Glenn Gary Glenn Ross is one of my favorite movies

in all time. And Jack Lemmon's name is Shelley. So there's a moment where Al Pacino goes, She's like, oh. Yeah. So great. She also is De Niro's girlfriend in Heat. Really?

Which is like the other Pacino crazy, you know, insane. Those two face off in the diner, blah, blah, blah, blah. But Amy Brennaman, like, how far has she fallen? One of my favorite Amy Brennan moments, though, is when he calls her, all of their scenes pretty much are over, phone calls. But he calls her to say call the cell phone company and find out who just called me. And he's like, trace the call, just find out. And she goes, okay, she hangs

up and writes something on a post. She wrote trace. I totally notice. She's going to forget to do what he just asked her to do it. They were like doing when you have a chance. It's like to do this immediately. And she was like, if you told me what was going on, I could help more. No, fucking do the trace. Get the fuck out of my goddamn face. Obviously, we had some issues with the movie, but there are some people who really love it. I'm going to visit some Amazon.com reviews for a second opinion.

Warren Christensen writes, Al Pacino is not disappointing. It's worth twice whatever you pay for it. Five stars. Milton K. Gonzalez. We should sell that guy copies of this movie for twice what they were. That was my first impulse was to go on Facebook, type in 88 minutes, and see who had it as their favorite movie. There's a lot of five-star reviews.

Milton Kay Gonzalez is my favorite, though. One of the... Well-acted movie with a real definition of the story. Al Pacino is very good actor for this movie because when you see this film is like you are living it. Wow. He's right about that. Yeah, that's true.

I kind of wish I had known that real-time 88-minute thing because it really did. I couldn't quite put my finger on what was so fucked up about it. We haven't even gotten into what the significance of the 88 minutes. Oh, guys, he's the dead sister. Kate Graham. He listens to that tape, by the way. He gets a fucking serial killer sends him a tape recorder.

He's got Molly Ringwald in there removing sweaters for no reason. And posing on the stairs. And he just starts listening to it casually. He's like, I'm sure this is disturbing. Oh, it's my sister. Well, first he checks it for chemicals. First he checks it for chemicals. Yeah.

And then there aren't any useless. Why? That was in there. He was like, I have one of these things that they use at the TSA. Why? He checks it. Okay. He goes, not a bomb.

He goes, not a bomb. And the scan screen was a gas mask. And he goes scanning, scanning, scanning, scanning. Safe. Why? It's so bad. It's so bad. You have to watch it.

He then has multiple. He has so many flashbacks in this movie. Yeah. He flashes back to the bar again. He flashes back to his dead sister flying a kite. Yes. He is like, he is a. man who I believe might be having some sort of aneurism where all he does is have continuous flashbacks.

That scene where he's driving the first time you see his sister riding on the bike. I was like, there's already too much happening, and they introduced the sister being dead, and she was murdered over 80. Well, the best moment, too, is when they do, when Amy Brennam does trace the call, she finds out that it's a cell phone that you can buy at a convenience store, but it was registered to the name Kate Graham. And then she says, I'm sure this is a coincidence. Yes. Probably not. In your line of work, there should not be coincidence. When there are people that are killing you all the time. There's no coincidence.

She's a bad secretary? I don't even know she's a secretary or is number two. That was one of those lines where you could tell the movie is a little dated because she was like, it's one of those cell phones that you can buy and just load with minutes. Prepaid cell phone, I think they call it. But it was registered to someone's name. That's the point of a prepaid cell phone. It says by drug dealers use them.

Yes. So she's like, it's a burner phone from the wire. So parting thoughts, would you recommend that people watch this? Where does this fall on movies? I don't think it's watchable for sure. I don't know. I was really annoyed by it. I would say there's a good chance I'm going to watch it again.

Because with friends this time, because it was a pure delight. And the funniest thing I've heard in months is he's not a cop. He's not a cop. He's not a cop. Everything will lead you to him. I don't believe him to be a cop, but he is not a cop. The whole story here, like, oh, this is clearly not a cop. He's essentially a scientist.

And don't they say... Which is irrelevant. Oh, man. That is the funniest thing. He's essentially a scientist. If you do watch this movie, which I don't know if I recommend, but... You know, it actually opens up this whole world of the second life of Al Pacino, which I think we should get into on this show.

He might be our new... Our new Nicholas Cage. Oh, my God. There's one thing I do want to point out, which was Jet City Improv. I was going to say. Wait, I didn't see that. They were having a very... They're having like a scene, him and the cop are having a scene,

and behind them, like, perfectly framed as a flyer for an improv company, like a Seattle improv company. The whole movie, I can't believe you didn't see it. That's funny, I didn't see that. As if the whole movie was a ruse just to plug just to the improv. Because they're in Seattle, at one point he gets into a car and there's talk radio on it, I was like, please let it be Fraser Craig. I was, like, begging for it to be like, hello Seattle.

Dr. Frazier Crane here. I'm listening. And I just typed in on my computer, Jet City Improv. It is real. Seattle's best comedy show. Seattle's short form improv trip offers all ages shows and classes. And Al Pacino. I would like them to call in.

I love these guys. I would like them to call in and let us know if they... I saw these guys in Seattle. They're great. And it's not really even a proper flyer. It seems like something that you would make a and just pop it up. Can I get a suggestion of a space that would fit on this stage? I'll give you a...

$100 for your cab. So that is 88 minutes. Do I move the seat up? I'm sorry. It was just a good hour of podcast. 100 dollars not for your, not for your cab, really. Let me be clear. Okay, okay, $100 plus tip.

That's right. Sit in the back while I investigate. Yep, I'm going to drive. You'll be in a lot of shots. You'll especially be in the shot. Kim's going to sit in the passenger seat. Kim's going to sit up here. She looks weird.

She's suspicious. She carries a gun. She's been an abusive relationship. She has a very strange waste area. And here's the Easter egg moment. And here's the Easter egg moment. You have to just watch a completely 80-yard scene, which means they added in the dialogue way after the movie was done of Kim, like, talking to him.

Because she's never talking in the car. It's all done over flashback and voiceover. It's so badly done. When they had that whole conversation in the car, she was like, you need to give me answers. You need to tell me what's going on. She's not saying any of that. They just creatively shoot around her.

They needed to do that because otherwise, it would seem that his monologue about his sister was out of nowhere. Which it probably was, yeah. They got some studio notes. Yeah. And they went back with Ringwold. And then Ringwold, Bizarro, Wingerall. Thank you guys so much for listening.

Thank you, Pete Holmes. Thank you, guys. Anything you will unplug? Anything, Pete? Just you made it weird, man. Other podcast people enjoy that one. I'm going to have all these people. And you are at Pete Holmes at Twitter, right?

Pete Holmes with a Z. Oh, there you go. All right. Pete Holmes with a Z. I'm Paul Shear at Twitter. At Ms. June, Diane. I'm not on Twitter, guys. All right, that's the way we do it.

See you next time. Oh, and thank you very much to our engineer, Dustin. Thank you so much for doing it. Thanks, bye-bye. $100 for your camp.