How Did This Get Made? - A Sound of Thunder LIVE! (Classic)

Episode Date: April 21, 2026

Ed Burns and Sir Ben Kingsley travel to the past on a time safari in A Sound of Thunder—a Ray Bradbury adaptation that might have the worst CGI in film history. LIVE from Largo in Los Angeles, Paul, Jason, and June discuss all the ludicrous time travel logic, how everyone in this world should be losing their minds, the incredible energy Sir Ben Kingsley brings to his scenes, and the reason why this movie was released with unfinished special effects. Watch out for those thorns everyone! (Ep. #292 Originally Released 05/05/2022) • Go to hdtgm.com for tour dates, merch, FAQs, and more• Have a Last Looks correction or omission? Call 619-PAULASK to leave us a voicemail!• Submit your Last Looks theme song to us here• Join the HDTGM conversation on Discord: discord.gg/hdtgm• Buy merch at howdidthisgetmade.dashery.com/• Order Paul’s book about his childhood: Joyful Recollections of Trauma• Shop our new hat collection at podswag.com• Paul’s Discord: discord.gg/paulscheer• Paul’s YouTube page: youtube.com/paulscheer• Follow Paul on Letterboxd: letterboxd.com/paulscheer• Subscribe to Enter The Dark Web w/ Paul & Rob Huebel: youtube.com/@enterthedarkweb• Listen to Unspooled with Paul & Amy Nicholson: unspooledpodcast.com• Listen to The Deep Dive with June & Jessica St. Clair: thedeepdiveacademy.com/podcast• Instagram: @hdtgm, @paulscheer, & @junediane• Twitter: @hdtgm, @paulscheer, & msjunediane  • Jason is not on social media• Episode transcripts available at how-did-this-get-made.simplecast.com/episodesGet access to all the podcasts you love, music channels and radio shows with the SiriusXM App! Get 3 months free using the link: siriusxm.com/hdtgm Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Remember, when time traveling, don't step on anything, because then the future will be cursed with bad CGI. We saw A sound of thunder, so you know what that means. Once again in Los Angeles at our L.A. home, Largo, and we are so excited to be here. because this is an important film. Very rarely on how did this get made, do we talk about important issues,

like the problems of time travel. We are on, literally on a time bomb when we start to time travel. And let me tell you something, people, this movie is going to tell us how to prevent it. And it will be confusing, and I'm not even sure if they know how time travel works in the movie. Let me tell you what goes on in this movie

if you've not seen A Sound of Thunder. There is a group that runs adventure time traveling, adventure time traveling that seems to only consist of one adventure. And that one adventure is killing a T-Rex. Everyone's dream. One dream, you could travel anywhere, do any way, do any way. and the only thing they got is killing a T-Rex. So, they do this adventure.

Seems like three, four times a day. Someone steps on something. And honestly, shit goes so terribly wrong that it's, like, if we are this delicate, we're fucked. Like, I don't understand. I don't even understand. It didn't even seem like what that. that person did or what he stepped on was that bad.

What happened with that butterfly? Not like the only butterfly. Anyway, he steps on a butterfly. There's a better version of his movie called The Butterfly Effect with Ashen Coucher. But same premise. Butterfly gets killed. Shit goes crazy. Ed Burns kind of unfazed.

We will talk about it all and especially about the CGI in this film. But first, let me bring out my co-host. Mr. Jason Manzukas of thunder Yikes! Yikes! This was a full-blown yikes. I was like, when this movie started and this shit started going down, I was like, uh-oh. And they were like walking what I believe is on a treadmill

while the green screen was going on. I was like, oh, what year was this? Like 92, 93, 2005! 2005? 2005. I have some interesting... Space taxis, but everybody's still dressed like it's the 40s. I don't know why.

Or I would say some people are dressed like the 40s and other people just wore what they had in their closet because Ed Burns is not rocking an old school gangster look. I looked it up. Ed Burns, asleep during the entire movie. They weekend at Bernie's him. It was... He is like...

He is... And like you said just now, unfazed by truly insane sets of circumstances that are presented to him and he's like, uh, it will be fine. He reacts as if, you know, uh, you just gave him like a slightly smaller piece of butter than he was expected. As if he's like, I'm sorry, I ordered a diet Coke. That's the weight. I would even say that he doesn't even carry that much weight.

One point in the movie, in the third act, he watches every person he loves die. And he's like, eh. Not, not fazed by much. But there is someone who can get to the heart of the matter, and it's phased by all the emotions, and we love her for it. Please welcome my other co-ist. June, Diane, Raphael. Welcome, June. How are you, Paul?

I'm doing fine. Thank you for asking. How are you? I'm okay. This was a thinker. You know, and I was listening to you backstage, and I'm like, Ed Burns, let's just get right into it. He says at the very end that he's going to figure out a way to tell himself,

and I know we're jumping way ahead, to tell himself in the present time what happened in the future, and that he's going to figure it out. But he doesn't. Well, he does. All he does is he tells his, friend, the woman who's his friend, to tell him. But all he does, but all he does is just...

But all he says is to himself, the future version tells the past version, I'm here. Doesn't like say anything. He says like, no. He says, he says, the bio check is off. Does such and such turn the bioscan off?

Tell me, show me this video. Because she's got a thing on her house. Right, yeah. I thought it was out of the briefcase because she's also video cable. She's got the briefcase thing too, but she also has the thing. So he's saying,

tell, show me, and only me, the video of me now saying the bio check is turned off. But then she tells, but then she tells the guy as soon as she gets back, check that bio thing.

I know you're not doing the bio thing. She doesn't even say it before. They says she tells him in the, yeah, yeah, while they're walking out. I know what you're up to. What's just so baffling is the movie set up

and you're thinking, oh, really clever, interesting way that this is going to, that they're going to be able to communicate in present time from this. And it's like, no, you just videotaped it. This is 2055.

Let me, first of all. There's nobody. There's no, they don't call us. First of all, Time Safari is a brick and mortar store. Time Safari looks like a bed bath and beyond. You are walking down the street. Like relax the back.

Are they encouraging walk-ins? But you know what? I actually was like, that's the one thing. I want to do this. That's the one thing for me that made sense because I was like, retail is dying. And this is... They're bringing it back.

By the way... Retail is going the way of the dinosaurs. Absolutely. In the year 2050, a new technology was invented. That could change the world. Dot, dot, dot. And you have to wait for it when you're watching it

real time or destroy it. Great, okay, I like it, good setup. A man named Charles Hatton used it to make money. We don't need that second one. Cut it. We don't, yeah. First note, cut that. Cut that.

Now, I will say when this movie opens up, I guess no one checked the masks that they wouldn't get too foggy because you are looking at people's faces, the light of the, like, the studio lights are reflecting off the clear, plastic goggles. You really can't see their faces. It feels like there's fog in there. You can't tell who is who in the, in there either. I literally was so confused and I was like,

this is how we're meeting our main cast. And then quickly everything went away when Wallace Sean's character from Toy Story, the dinosaur appears. Because that dinosaur and Toy Story looks more realistic than this real T-Rex. I would argue the dinosaurs in the TV show dinosaurs look better than the dinosaurs in this. These dinosaurs, again, what year was Jurassic Park? Oh, I'm not in the 2000.

93? This is 2005. This is like a this is a game that you would play on like, a game boy. Yeah. This whole movie is cut scenes

from a Sega CD game. It's like, was Corey Haim gonna pop up here and be like, dude, this mansion is wild! And then disappear for 40 minutes while you just do a very... Oh, yeah.

I had the Sega CD Corey Feldman. Maybe it was Corey Feldman. There was one of the Corrie's in a Sega CD game. I had it. I also had to make your own video criss-cross Sega CD

so you could take the song, you know, the Chris Koss song, make you jump, and then you could re-edit it. But it really never worked. You really couldn't re-edit the footage, but you would sit there re-editing. So the game was editing? Pretty much.

Pretty much. That's a task. Yeah. It wasn't fun. I always would put it in. And then you would upload it and then you would create a music video. Yeah. And then I wasn't getting paid my hourly wage.

But they said, you know, look, you know, this is about your career. Someone else's work. That was a scam. I mean, this whole opening, I do have a major question about this. I like a time travel film. Okay.

As you like an airplane film, I like a time travel film. The core problem to me about this movie, well, can you point it out? From a time travel perspective, can you tell me what I'm about to say? From a time travel perspective. Well, you don't need any preparation or training.

to do it. You can walk in and be in the prehistoric era an hour later. My thought was this. I was close. They're going back to the same point for every adventure. It's not multiple adventures.

It's this one thing to kill this one. Are you sure about that? Yes, because they know when the dinosaurs had dropped because the volcano. So they do this. Why aren't they running into all the other people who've gone on this tour? Yeah.

Because they're all going back to the same spot. The same spot. It doesn't matter where you start from if you're going to the same spot. You would be basically running into a crowd. Yeah. You would be every time you would run this adventure, like, oh, fuck, oh shit, oh, you're here? Like, it would be... It would also be, like, it would create a paradox because the team, like, the guests would be different.

Yes. But the team would be the same. So those people would be constantly running into variance of themselves. I couldn't get it out of my head. That should create the paradox. Yes. The butterfly. It doesn't matter if you kill a butterfly.

You can't all arrive at the same spot over and over and over. Well, like, they, I would have just, like, because even if they go, we arrive a second earlier, a second later, it doesn't make a difference because that other group is coming. Because they're going to the same. They're playing out the same. It's a game, basically, where they're playing out the same five minutes for every mission. Yes.

and that would make no, like the core principle of the movie, you have to go like, well, that's not important. Is that part of the Ray Bradbury story? Because I would lay it at the feet of this absolutely dumb movie. But it's based on a Ray Bradbury story. So I guess Ray Bradbury did have the technology worked out and he had it really, you know, but it just was too complicated for this movie.

They needed to get through it. I mean, this is. You're absolutely right. That makes absolutely no sense. And really ruins the movie for me. Because I guess what I'm saying. I don't want to do this show anymore. Black it out.

Show's over. Good night. But no, but that was so interesting to me because also it means that, like, all right, so everything gets erased each time they go back, I mean, I also had another major time travel issue, which is why did it take 24 hours for the world to recover? Because technically, they leave. that moment in the past, and then the world would be moving forward from that moment.

So they wouldn't even have a city or a building because the past would have moved forward. The waves of it all. Oh, the time waves. And I'm just reflecting right now on the title of the movie, A Sound of Thunder. A Sound of Thunder. Is A Sound of Thunder a wave?

Is that what we're... I don't know what a Sound of Thunder. I think the sound of thunder refers to in this movie at all. I think the idea is, oh, I know it is. Because isn't it when you hear thunder, it's a little far away? It's like you can't, like, it's like you hear, you see lightning and then, you know, you hear thunder and then you can see lightning or you see lightning and then you hear thunder. Well, either way.

What is it? I know what you're saying. Yeah, right? I don't know. What does I have to do with this? Well, because it's like, because they did, like, so in this, they did something and then a couple beats later it starts to change. Oh, I see what you're saying.

Like, yeah. That's... Then I hate this movie more. I really do too. Because I think that that is the idea of this. Because basically the time waves, yes, the compounding time waves keep making

and the woman who's the doctor who knows all the answers she's like, well this is how it's going to work. There's going to be time waves. and first it's going to be plants, then it's going to be animals, then it's going to end with us turning into like, monsters?

Catfish people? The shot of her turned into like an alien monster? I almost fell over. She turned into a human catfish. By the way, by the way, I want to watch this movie. But that's what I'm talking about. Like, the idea of this movie...

This should happen at minute 15. then figure it out. The idea, but this is why I'm so confused. It's like, all right, so we have to accept that when he goes to visit her, when Ed Burns goes to visit her, she looks out the window, she's like, has it been 24 hours? He's like, actually, exactly.

Like, he comes to her house at exactly the 24-hour mark so they can hit the wave. And he's like, I think what you said might be happening. And he is, again, like, all of his delivery is, I don't know. I think like, I think like, nothing's going on.

Even when like he's trapped underground with her and the other lady, he's like, you're going to have to hold your breath and swim up there for the next couple of things.

They're in a subway car submerged in water and he's like, we're going to have to wait, blow out the window, take the deepest breath possible and swim. Like he's ordering a latte.

It's so strange. This movie, this movie, just so you know, and I think we should talk about it right at the top. The budget was $80 million. Wait a second, wait a second. And then they cut it to 30. And then they forced the studio to release it without the finished effects.

So it was a three, there's a much bigger story here at play. Okay. Which I don't have all the details on, but. basically the the production company that made this movie had a deal. They're a foreign company. They had a deal with the studio that they must release theatrically their projects. And so they were forced into releasing a movie that did not have effects finished at all. They were just like, yeah, whatever.

It was shot on Super 35, not even like real, like not even, it says Panav. at the end, but that's not true. They lied. They lied to us. They said this was going to be good. Just like Jurassic Park. It was just, it was, so basically, the thought is that the production company went bankrupt during post-production, and they're like, well,

all right. Yeah, it is what it is. Whatever we got, we got. Well, that's like, what was it, the snowman that we did, where they just didn't shoot 15% of the script. and they just edited it together and it makes no sense. It really, it is like, it is a real... It's unfortunate a way,

because there are some creatures, like the crazy gorilla futuristic creatures, I did think that they were really spooky. And, like, there were some shots when they revealed that they were all sleeping upside down. Like bats? Like bats?

Yeah. I thought that was genuinely scary and really creepy. Well, I thought this was... He's just like, huh. Yeah. Yeah, he's like, just quiet down a bit. He's like, okay, we still got to get that.

And we'll get out of here. Ed Burns. And they actually kept on flashing their flashlights at them. I was like, stop. You're going to wake them up. That's what's going to wake them up. Ed Burns literally watches his friend to sacrifice his life. And it looks like he's just trying to hear what he's saying.

What is he? What is he saying? And I was like, can you throw a rock over there? Run! Run! Run! He's biting time. Run! There's a woman in the movie who he knows because he promised her father he was going to take care of her. She dies in front of him, and he's like, ugh. No, and at one point he's got the worst justification. He's like, look, if you want to bring all these people back, we've got to figure this shit out.

That's like, I'm not like, yeah, she died, but I'll figure it out later. Like, let's go. And this movie posits a world in which these eight people are the only eight people who can do any of this. Yeah. Like, never once do they call smarter people, call the government, call other. And nobody, nobody. It's like, it's like Ed Byrne, like the hunter and his crew are the only people who can solve and their ice graces.

It seemed that what was happening. And I did think this was pretty creepy. scary, that what was happening is people were losing their minds. Yes. And so the civilians were just like panicked and shooting each other. That is true, yes. But I don't even understand why because... Because the thorns.

The thorns. But to see the rate at... What happened? To see the rate at which infrastructure collapsed. In 24 hours. Like the what is going on in this movie is... Like, they are... All right.

So plant, like, what the fuck happened in the past? They stepped on a butterfly and you're going to make me go like, that makes monkey creatures, no buildings, poisonous? Like, it's, I get it. One small thing can affect everything. But let's make it a little bit bigger. I mean, you've created it. When they found the guy's shoe and flipped it over,

and that giant butterfly was on the underside, I was like, fuck you. I have watched children's shows. Peppa the Pig has more subtlety than this movie. I would rather... Kai Yu gets it better than this movie. All right, here's the things... Some of the things I love.

Fuck Kai Yu. They go... They go to Ed Burns' house. By the way, this is... When we get to finally see what happened to the actress from Love Actually, we see her characters continued here. When she seduces Ed Byrd...

I wish she had the necklace that Alan Rick Wing James... I really was. I was like, this is a continuation. In the future, she's figured out how... She's got the heart necklace on. Emma Thompson's listening to Joni Mitchell somewhere. Like a fucking queen.

In her catfish face listening to Johnny Mitchell. But no, in that moment when she visits his house to sex him, You see his house and it's 2055 And how do they show it's futuristic? He has clear moving boxes Yeah Like it was like

What's the future? Like in the future Moving boxes will be clear Like it's... I did think about it though And I was like well it's a pretty good idea actually See what's in there But it wasn't even fully clear

Yeah Where's the kitchen stuff right there? like just move it over that. All right, I'm wrong. All right. The other thing that I love about this, the movie is trying so hard to try to like show you cool future tech. And like at one point you find out that Ed Burns' character really wants to like bring back animals.

Animals. So he like has a secret lab in a zoo. Animals are dunzo. Except for fish. Yeah. Yeah. So like I couldn't understand that. Wait, where do we see fish?

The fish start beaching themselves. Yeah, that's one of the big stories. So I just didn't understand the ecosystem. There was some virus. If the ocean is thriving, like we're all probably doing okay. And there should be, so I didn't quite understand the rules of. Oh, you didn't? The rules here.

Consider yourself the only one here because we all get it totally. I mean. No, you're right. You're right. They did say that. I mean, here is one of the great explanations. This is a movie where. even if you rewind it three times,

you're like, I'm not sure what was said. Like, Star Trek jargon sounds better than this. All right here. When you change something in the past, the future isn't affected all at once. Changes come in ripples like dropping a stone to a pond. So you mean there'll be more of these? Oh, yeah.

And I'll get bigger and bigger. All the changes in evolution that you affected. All of them will come in the waves. They'll start with climate, then vegetation, the early manifestations of life. life. Then come the more complex organisms. So what will happen in the last wave? It'll be us. We wave goodbye.

The last wave changes the last species to evolve. Homo sapiens. God knows what we'll become. We may have no eyes. We may be sea creatures. They may not even exist at all. We don't have too many more waves before that one. Can we fix what we did? I don't know. Maybe. Now, okay, here's an edge.

I have a very big question about all. Here's how that scene should be going. What the fuck? What the fuck? Can we fix it? Can we fucking fix it? Oh my God, what the fuck is this? What is this?

We're fucked, we're fucked. Where are these plants coming from? How do you know all this? Oh, no. Oh, no, no, no, no. Where are my parents? Where are the people that I love? Can I protect them?

Can I protect the people I love? Help me. Help the world. He's like, I'll go one step further. Can we fix it? Like he is reacting. He's reacting with the way that you react when you're not sure if it had rained on you or maybe there. Was that like an air conditioner?

I don't know. It feels like it might have. Where you go outside and you're like, oh, it's actually a little colder than I thought. Maybe I do. Maybe I do need a sweater. But here is my issue. My issue with this scientist. And I know it's easy to poke holes in this movie.

but how the fuck does she know about these waves? It's never happened. Can you rewind just a little bit too? She literally plans out the whole movie, but it's never happened. So like theoretically she's like, well... Or Paul, maybe it did. But then how would she remember it?

Because he doesn't remember. She videotaped it. Ooh. Okay, all of those people who are rummaging around, whatever, they should also be freaking out. Yeah. Everybody, they...

No, they are so interested in vines. Maybe, maybe you could convince me that Ed Burns and the actress playing the doctor here because they know what's going on. They are a little bit more like, what are we doing? Everybody else in the world should be like, what? In fact, when I first saw this, I thought, oh, they're zombies. Like, they are, they've been, something's happened to them. That's very bad.

I think this is what happened to them. The director, Peter Heim, H.TGM alum, directed time cop, another time travel feature. They go, hey, Peter, we have four extras today. How do you want to use them? Keep them in frame. Just keep them in frame. They can't have them running.

Because it's like the minute they run, they're off of frame. So it's like mill, mill around. Everybody here is really contemplated. In the future, we contemplate. They're looking around there like it's an Easter egg hunt. They're just like... Keep in mind, they're in a green screen studio. They're looking at nothing.

Zero. I mean, this movie is the first time that you see them walking, right? When they are walking, like you said, on the treadmill there, I mean, this is, this is, to me, one of... Right? Like, we see a little bit of Chicago, and then, and by the way, you're nicer saying they're on a treadmill. I just thought they were just walking in place. If you look at them, they look like they're walking in place. Oh, my God.

And... Before or after. Like, this is walking in place. And he's better at it than she is. Jen, you know that I promised your father that I... What I love about this, too, is a little... Like, they didn't have enough money to finish CGI, but as they're walking in the cityscape,

you get to see some fun little things that the graphic designers added in. I'll show you one coming up in just one second. I think it's right here. It's a 7-11. And then it's in the 7-11 it says, let's see, hold on, cannabis. But it's so, like, I can make this. I'm terrible at Photoshop.

It's like, it's just like block font that just says, cannabis. And it's, and it's just like, I don't even know. I can't read it from here. Yeah, it says cannabis. That's all. And it says pay. Pay for two, take one. Oh, cabaminous.

C-A-B-A-N-I-S. Cabin-I-S, which I think is probably a brand of cannabis. Which is, or it's future cannabis. But this, to me, is the, like, again. They didn't even have time to spell check the graphics in the background. Now, Prince. The funny graphics. Ed Burns must have seen this and been like,

Mother fuck. Ed Burns not lit. Right here, no light on his face. He's walking in broad daylight outside in Chicago. The lighting in general, it's a dark movie. Yes. There are lots of times where I couldn't quite see what was going on. Well, this hat, too, this poor, this poor woman is saddled with a giant hat.

She's wearing an Amy Sherman Palladino level hat that is preposter. You know, they do this. I mean, to men and women, but, like, they really want to make it clear. He doesn't want to fuck her. Like, don't worry. She's got that hat on. There's no way. And then he says, I promised your father that I would take care of you.

You're not a sexual object. You're a hat. Yeah. But he's still dressed like... He's dressed like 2005. Watch his reaction when she dies. If that is his reaction to, like, this is the woman that he's supposed to take care of, right? Watch this moment here.

He promised her father. And it's as simple as it. Take the deepest breath of your life and then we'll go for it. All right? Okay. Look at how calm they are. Give me a second.

You would be shitty. And the subway car fills up with water. K. Sarasara. Back to normal. No reaction. Let's go. He says, let's go. His first reaction is, all right.

He doesn't mourn her. He doesn't mourn her at all. He's like, by the way, I would love to believe. like in your reading, Paul, which is that he assumes he will see again because he's going to fix this. But it doesn't feel that way in the moment.

It really doesn't. No, he's like one less person. One less person. If the movie ended with, like, if the movie ended with him taking VR goggles off and the whole thing was a game he'd been playing, it would make more sense.

A game that took place in 1989. Yeah. For how casual. he treats the human lives of the people that he both loves and the people that are his team. Now, I will say the person who brings in a lot of energy is Ben Kingsley. Ben Kingsley is doing, honestly, some of the best work of his career. Yes, Sir Ben.

SBK. Sir Ben comes in, and I'm going to have a theory here. He's so good in this. I know the wig is doing some work for Sir Ben. Like, that white wig is great, but I also felt, and tell me if you think I'm crazy, I'll play this clip, I think he's channeling Robin Williams. Like, there's an energy to him that I feel like,

I don't know why I was looking at him. I'm like, I feel like you're doing, like I feel like this could have been a Robin Williams part. I don't know why I think that. You think it could have been a Robin Williams part? Yeah. Oh, okay. I don't know, let's see.

By the time I'm done suing you, this joint. That's you right, Mr. Middleton. I understand you're upset, but I say to you, Look beyond your immediate feelings. Look at what you achieved today. How was the cheat getting eaten? And you weren't.

Since we've been in business, countless clients have jumped back through time. Face the Allisaurus and gone home, trembling and proud that they cheated dead. Doesn't he have like a similar Robin Williams voice? There's a cadence. It's a very like a later Robin Williams kind of performance style. Okay, two things about that. He has a reaction shot. It's not in this.

It's in like the party scene where one of the clients is, I think, questioning what happened on one of the excursions. And his reaction, he's doing full clown work. And it was some of the funniest things I've ever seen. Second thing, what happened early on in the movie when one of the guns fell in the lab area and something oozed out of it? So that's, okay, what was that? Okay, so one of the guys dropped like a nine. nitrogen thing. Yes.

And he's loading up. He's part of the team and he loads up the nitrogen containers. So it falls and he's like, oh shit, okay. He gets it and he puts it in. Okay.

But it's leaking and it leaks nitrogen onto Ed Burns' gun. So that's why he can't shoot it. And Ed Burns' gun is the safety for all the other guns. So they can only shoot when he can shoot. But do you think that they would do a check of the guns

before they did? They said that they did, but that it didn't work anyway. They do try and exposition themselves out of it, but it is dumb. It is so dumb. But where does that... In terms of the butterfly, what does that give us exactly? Well, the idea is... More time.

That gives us the period of time when he can't shoot, he has to distract the dinosaur. She distracts the dinosaur, and those two guys run off and hide, these two dummies. They run off and hide, and one of them steps on the butterfly. And that's what sets the rest of the movie in motion. And why are they on this like moving walkway? So this time travel, the time travel thing that they do, it's like not only does it like time transport you, but it also shoots out like a pirate ship-esque blank.

That seemingly goes on for a very event. very long time. I had questions about that too because they were like, don't step off the path or whatever they call it. Like, so did they install that? And wouldn't that be the butterfly effect? But I think that that is a projection of their time, like it comes out. But once it hits the ground or even hovers of it above it, I mean, I'm also just so

confused because the volcano looks so far away. And when they go back at one point, they're like, it's exploding. Ron! Ron! It's like, well, that's not going to get there that quick. I mean... They'll get there pretty quick. You think it'll get there that quick? Yeah, if you've seen the Werner Herzog volcano documentary into the inferno, there's footage of volcano shit that is terrified.

Oh, wow. Good to know. Good to know. Also, an incredible watch. I just felt like it was so far away. I felt the same way. All right, but I'll take that. You know, their whole, just if you haven't watched the movie, Their whole theory is we're going to a spot in time where the dinosaur is going to get trapped in the,

whatever, the swamp. Right. And the volcano's going to come and kill it anyway. Right. And then we're going to shoot it with our ice bullets. Yes. So we leave no trace. So we basically are just,

we're basically putting a dinosaur out of its misery because he's already going to be, it's like a rat and a glue trap. He's going to be stuck in there. Ah, wah. Wow. Guess who's coming to dinner? I'm walking.

Did you audition for this role? I am pissed off. And they say that my... Do you have your audition tape? Yeah. Rah. Right. Huh?

Uh, the, the, there is, thank you. Don't clap for that. But there are these moments in logic that make no fucking sense. There's a moment where bugs are infiltrating this woman's apartment. So many bugs. And he goes, step on this bag. Why? Like, the bag is...

Well, she did, and then they crawled right up on it. Right, and then... I wanted to tell them, like, go out there. You're standing right next to a door. Go behind the door and close it. It was, yeah. Instead, he sprays, like, I don't know, some sort of chemical, and he's like, or water, maybe, or something, whatever,

that clears a path to him, he's like, go out the door, go out the door. Then, then... Then the thing is going to explode. The tanks are going to explode. They jump off the balcony of a skyscraper without a second thought. They don't think for a second. And they land on a plant.

Well, yeah, that plant. They knew that plant was going to be out there. Plus are everywhere at that point. And are literally like, huh. Okay. And she goes, her line is, this tree wasn't here yesterday. By the way, these are the people I want to be with

in a moment of tragedy. I want to be like, all right, let's see. She does say that it's not smart for her to panic, which I appreciate it. By the way, you would say that this is the way that I react to certain things, right? It's true. You underreact to crisis. It's very unsettling. I got Ed Burns' character.

I'm like, all right, we'll deal with it. We'll figure it out. Every five minutes in this movie, something happens to the main characters that should... Oh. That should melt their brains. I do feel like a movie like this. It's like reverse jaws because like in Jaws, wasn't it like, they lost their budget. Swage?

Swage? Yeah. It's just a swage scenario. Because it's like in Jaws, they realize, oh shit, the shark looks bad. So what we'll do is we'll make it scarier by not showing them. But in this movie, it's like, oh, shit, we don't have the money. Let's show everything. Like they never hesitate to show.

Everything in broad daylight. Nothing is hidden. Nothing is like there's like, there's nothing in rain. There's nothing at night. All the tricks to make bad special effects a little bit more obfuscated, they don't use. My favorite bad special effect, and this makes no sense. When Ed Burns is showing his secret zoo laboratory off, he's talking. And then all of a sudden you see a fucking, like lion walking down a hallway.

Like gung, gung, gung, gung. And I think as an audience member, you're supposed to be like, oh shit, he's in a zoo. A lion's coming. Ooh. But no, it's a CGI creation or like a VR version of a lion. And then I'm like, why was it coming from the hallway? Like, does he have a-

Yeah, like he has a table. And I'd not be like, this is what I'm working on. Yeah. Right, because that's where he is on that tape. Like the lion walks him from the other room to sit on the projection table. Why are we, the camera and the audience with the lion? And, and, and it is a hologram. So where is the light source?

I mean, like, something should be... It's 2050. All right, Paul. Yeah, they figure that out. My favorite part of the... We live in a world where there are clear moving boxes. Yeah. So, I think we can...

We got light sorts everywhere. Don't worry about it. All right, all right. Again, I stand corrected. It's a swatch problem. We've mastered transparent cardboard, Paul. I'm still trying to understand the waves, though, because I could never really wrap.

She did draw that really helpful picture of circles. Like, so a butterfly is killed back with the dinosaurs. Now, why are we affected in waves now if evolution got fucked? Why did, I just didn't understand what? Why was her solution just go back a little bit early? earlier. At any point, they could have been like,

I could have figured that out. Just go back before you did that jump. What was the issue? Yeah. They wasn't like, oh, the machine's broken. Right. Until it was.

Until it was. Because of plants? The minute that fucking plant jumps up. I think all of Act 2, the real villain is plants. It's like that M-night movie where the villain was trees at the end. I mean,

this is, I mean, we've talked about, I mean, this is Em Knight dealt with this too, right? There's a movie where trees are the villains in his movie as well. Is that right? That's the Mark Wahlberg movie.

Is it a shared universe? Trees are bad. Guys, trees are fucking... But, I mean, they truly are fighting against nature, right? The idea is that this one, if this one butterfly lives, the world is destroyed, it becomes like this giant,

you know, humans take over, animals die, but if you kill us one butterfly, nature takes over. We all, we don't evolve? I think so, but I think they're also trying to say, like, you live in a world without animals, without nature. He, like, they don't have this stuff. So the change means, like, the world is now overrun with animals and nature and plants and trees and all this stuff because the world, it doesn't do a good job setting it up,

but he seems to be his altruistic belief is, I'm going to bring back animals, right? Right. That's why he's a good guy, not like a piece of shit. Yeah, because he doesn't like his job. No, because I think he thinks his job is allowing him to gather the DNA. But he's only going to the same spot over and over and over again. So he's like, you got the DNA.

You got it. He seems, yes, he got it already. But it also seems to me like that DNA, he should have used that. somehow to figure this all out in the end. Like I was waiting for us to come back to that lab and have that DNA somehow create something else. By the way, I'm also like, if I'm paying, I don't know, whatever 255 gangster money is to go on this adventure,

I would want more than five minutes. That's shorter than a Disney were end, like ride. To go back in time? Really? I mean, all they do is like this is what they do. Hey, get your guns. Here we go. There it is.

shoot him. God, all right, see home. Like, that's, that's the thing. But if I said to you tomorrow, we can travel back in time. Yeah, I would say, but this is what I would say. Yes, can I look around for a half an hour? No. Can I like, no, it's like, they're like, they literally come out of the tunnel. Get your guns. Get your guns. Get your guns. There it is. Bang. Okay. Everybody back.

Get back before the volcano. It's like, I just give me a month. Let me take it in. It seems like. You get it nice video at. the end and you, I think, can keep the costume that you wore. You could keep that costume? Yeah. Oh, yeah, I guess he did get to keep his costume. Everybody gets to keep their costume.

And you can look back and rewatch it as many times. What do you do with those boots that he did? I guess he took the boots off and put him in a bag because that butterfly stayed on to walking through the streets of Chicago like that. I mean, that was really like, yeah. Things we haven't mentioned. Tammy. Oh, Tammy.

Tammy is the reason for the season. A character in the movie who is like, who should be incredibly powerful as an ally, but they barely use. Tammy is the computer. Like the AI or whatever. And it's an acronym that stands for time alteration manipulator interface,

which is an acronym that is as simple as this movie to understand. What happens to Ben, Kingsley. Right? He dies. They show him dead. Oh, God, I must have him

for one day. But yes. One outfit. Same two sets. Okay. And that's all we got. Because he is doing the same two set. It's like, it's the champagne room.

They're like, okay, take the blood off everybody. All right, Ben, you stay in the same costume. We're not going to get blood on you. Springing the next guys. I'll do all of his close-ups. Ben's got to get out of here in 45 minutes. He's got a birthday party. He's got to go.

We've got to get him out. Like, I think that that's all. he did. And by the way, he brought it. He brought it in this short period of time. I'm just looking at my notes. And the number of times that I've just written the words, future taxis. I don't know why. I seem to have been obsessed with that.

Because I wrote it a lot. Also, the TRD, the time regulation, TRC, Time Regulation Commission or something like that. Why aren't they part of this? Like, where is, where is, like, why is Ben King and this private storefront time travel organization, which seems to be so expensive, you wouldn't need it to be on the ground level.

Like, it's not for the common person. Like, that's why I want to see more adventures. It's like, if you're doing this. That's what retail's going to look like, though. I guess so. I guess you're right. I guess so. I guess so it's everybody in this world is boring. I know.

And I wanted a, I wanted kind of a chemistry between the two of them, between Ed Burns and the scientists, like, give me something. Anybody. Well, I like him and the girl from... The girl from Love Actually is the only one is that kind of bringing this sex appeal. Like, I don't even know why she wants to fuck him, but she just does. I have no idea why she wants to fuck him. I thought you were the part of the team. Everybody acts like he is like the hunkiest, famousest guy in the...

And it's like so interesting. It's like he is a good-looking guy, but God, there's nothing coming off him. Every, every line he has in the movie could have been replaced. with him just going, oh, nuts. We don't have... The odd nuts cut. Yes. Oh, nuts. Are you telling me everyone's dead?

Oh, nuts. All right. Well, that's what... There is, though, honestly, he's just been put on hold. When the guy... Yeah, when they go to the guy... When the guy who stepped on the butterfly, they go to his apartment.

Because they need to know what was it. that happened to change the world. So they go to his apartment. This man has a loaded gun. And he's firing it at them. Right? What? I said people have gone crazy.

Yeah, people got crazy. Because of the thorns. Which is another layer we don't need. The true villain of the movie, thorns. Nature. This is a movie where the good guys defeat nature.

It's like, nature, get the fuck back. You get back underground. Animals, get out of here. Big buildings, space taxis. That's what we got. That's what we're rooting for. We're rooting for them to get back to shitty future. And Ed Burns seems convinced.

It's as if Ed Burns, I'm sorry, this is what it's like. It's as if Ed Burns in every scene, the guy's shooting guns at him and everything's crazy. And he's like, it's okay. I read the script. It's going to be fine. Yeah, yeah. We enact one and we enact one. and we in act one?

Yeah, that's why it's nervous. It's scary in act one. But act three is going to be better. And honestly, a part of me wonders if, like, he couldn't handle her character being the one that's calm and having, like, the knowledge and being placating. And if he just took on that energy. But yes, perhaps. But he also, he also, I think, is trying to play the, the Han Solo, like, hero.

The kind of, ah, shucks. Like, I guess I got to figure. at all kind of thing, which is because everybody is treating him like he's the sexiest, most desirable rogue or something, and that's not the case. Here's another thing. Why doesn't he remember?

Because we're talking about these fucking time ripples that take like 24 hours to hit, but when they stop it and it does the jump back, wouldn't it take 24 hours to go backwards? Wouldn't it be like reverse time ripples? Like, br-l-l-l-l-l-l-l-p and then we'd be back? Oh, interesting. It just flips back.

So, like, he would remember for at least two or three time ripples before everything went back to normal again. Like, ideally, we were led into this world with ripples. We would go backwards with the ripples. I don't, yeah, you're right. I'm looking at it from a scientific point of view. Which, by the way, would have given us more of what I wanted, which is the love story of Ed Burns and the fish lady. Hey, so you're a fish. It's the shape of water.

I love that movie. I really love that movie. Yeah. I feel like I was the only person who I only watched it once. I could not get over Sally Hawkins' performance. I think it's a beautiful. 90% sure you fell asleep in it. I watched.

Like, and I'm not calling you out. I believe. I believe. I believe that you saw it and I watched the way that you sleep and sometimes you will say to me you have been asleep for a long time and I'll turn the TV volume down.

You're like, I'm watching that. I'm like, you're, you clearly are not. I have spoken to it. You maybe are listening to it. You're listening. Because your eyes are closed but you think you're listening and paying attention.

I'm sorry. It's listening to a medium so shitty? Is that the worst thing you than you? I'm saying you are dead asleep. Like, should I tell them what happened last night or is that too personal?

Yeah, go ahead. June had been gone. I was actually asleep here. Hardcore asleep. I was getting ready to go to bed and I turned off the TV, which had been off. It just had the screensaver on.

Right? So I was like, clicked it off. and June goes, I'm watching that. And I said, the screensaver? And to which you replied, yeah, do you mind if I watch more? And I go, you're asleep. And she's like, I'm watching it. Give me the remote.

And then I passed her the remote to which she put on her chest, did not turn the TV back on, and went right back to sleep. That's right. And was mad at me when I laughed that she was watching it because nothing had been on for an hour. I mean, I still might have been watching the TV. You're like, in case someone steals it? I just feel you're so quick to turn it off,

to take away my pleasures. It's like, just let me have my things, you know? I left it on. I worked so hard during the day. I left it on on watching the moon, the beautiful moon or whatever fucking cityscape is on Apple TV that changes because I download it automatically. It's no big deal.

All right, so by the way, Pierce Brosnan was going to make this movie with Rennie Harlan. But Rennie Harlan was fired because Ray Bradbury didn't like his creative decisions, which means that Red... He did like this? Yes. So, God knows.

Anyway, we have questions, but we know that you might have some questions. Whatever it is, we want you to fact-check us, bringing to our attention, whatever it is. Let us know. Raise your hand if you have something. Okay, great. Yeah, stand up so we can hear you good, nice and clear.

Here we go. What's your name? Patrick. What is your question? Great question. Would it, great question. Wouldn't the volcano? But yes.

The answer is yes. But I guess in... That's how it's supposed to happen, though. But in the millisecond that they killed it before the volcano went off, that's when all the shit goes down? Correct. What could have happened in that time?

History has changed irrevocably. All right. Great question. Great question. You're an idiot. Ray Bradbury didn't have a problem with it. Yeah. In the back there, yes.

A dinosaur that was, like, 80 million years off from the time I actually went to. Alice said 165 million years ago and moved with 65 million years ago so they didn't even do the research to figure out what dinosaur did you know that is amazing and again I would say great

thank you for that they did not do the right research but again I would say they just took the toy story dinosaur they didn't really but for this guy who started his thing by being like I did the research don't bother like use your time better in the in the

Yeah, in the back. We have two in the back. Yeah, great. So, a story in school. Oh, great. So all the waves and all that shit they made up for this movie, it's basically if I remember correctly, the thing that changes is when they get back,

the equivalent of the Nazi party is in charge of America. Bad old chestnut, yep. He's right, they use the wrong dinosaur. It's also, it's supposed to be a transorse Rex, which is the great thunder lizard, the sound of thunder.

Oh. See, this guy gets it. All right, yes, back there. Yes. Yeah, the catfish lady. Well, this is my issue with the whole thing. I don't understand, like, well, when would the bell? It's as if the time ripples, like, they don't.

Okay, so my understanding is, to your point, sir, about reading the Ray Bradbury story, that one moment would forever change everything going forward. So there would never have been a building. It would just be an underwater world of catfish people. Right? Like that would be what we would be in. But this movie says it does it in phases,

but it seems like the phases just work around the pre-existing infrastructure that we have. So it would never be a fully realized future. So it would just be this bastardization. Like it would be like catfish people living in skyscrapers next to taxi cars that are covered in vines. The movie I want to watch. I want to watch the movie where the time wave comes

and Ed Burns falls in love with catfish lady. Like, show me that movie. This movie makes no sense and I hate it. Anyone feel like they've got a really great one? Yes, you have two. Yeah, let's go. You can go. I'll let you both go.

So it's the part of the movie when they see the big, like, future monkeys that are chasing? Yeah. And then they get in the car and the bats attack. them, and then they go to a place which's really dark, and there's something on the ceiling, and they look up.

But it's the monkeys, not the bats. Right. Why was it the monkeys? Right, why weren't the... Because they got to keep you guessing, bro. I also was confused about why the monkeys all went to attack one person.

There seemed to be about 50 monkeys eating one, about 175 pound man. Well, also, if I'm Ed Burns and my buddy is there, and he's about to get like mauled by all the, shoot him. Oh, yeah. Put him out of his, shoot him now. I was really upset about that.

I thought that that's where we were headed. Of course, because he was doing that monologue. Yeah, why not? Oh, he's going to kill him. Well, but if he shot him with that ice bullet, we saw that ice bullet does it, just decimates. Like, he would basically be taken away this. That's better than being torn apart. No, you got to keep the, it's bait.

It would be like giving a dog a biscuit, but stomping on it before. Like you gotta, they gotta eat that full biscuit. What? Next question. You're talking about that man like he's a dog biscuit? That's what he was to that monkey. He was a dog biscuit. If I'm at Burns, I'm like, at least let me stop, my friend.

Yes. Wow. Oh, I love this. Yeah, as a Ben Kingsley. I appreciate that was a joint question, too. Yes, I like that. We noticed. We noticed.

We noticed that. I appreciate it. We get it. You were in a couple. I got it. Everybody else. We get it. You found love.

What I do think is so funny about this champagne tower. All right, so look at the champagne tower. The champagne tower in the movie. We did this together. We found. the champagne tower is for a giant party of people. Each time it seems like two people go. Like, how many people are fucking drinking champagne?

And then I think I remember even, like, Ed Burns bringing a champagne bottle in? Like, there's too much. No, the champagne tower also seems to be so bottom-heavy. Like, it feels like they're missing a layer. Because if you're taking, if you're taking champagne from the bottom, there should be more on that second layer. There's 22 glasses on the bottom level. 22 on the bottom, 5 above that.

So 22, 5, 3 and 1. What I hope is that no one who is going over there to get champagne is taking from that second level. That's crazy. Oh my goodness. Well, obviously we answered every question there is imaginable about A sound of thunder. But you know what?

We might have been too hard on it. There might be people out there with a different opinion. It is now time for second opinions. Now. What would you do for this movie's review? Would you rate it appropriately? Lizard baboons, airtight plot, Kingsley's hair, and all this super realistic CG.

Now it's time for some second opinions. Made 12 years after Jurassic Park. Time for some second opinions. This movie lost millions of dollars. Time for some second opinions. Two homework. Great work. Great work, L.A.

Bringing it. My only note, you should have mentioned those taxis, bro. All right. Here we are. A Sound of Thunder. Second Opinions. There are a lot of positive reviews here.

No, there aren't. I'll start off with J.H.J. Review says, what a fun movie to watch. I use this to help teach the butterfly effect. To who? The title? Perfect film for English class.

Five stars. So, there you go. Your children are doomed. Get them out of that school. This one's written by... Can you imagine your kids coming home from school and being like, we watch something called a sound of thunder?

I will tell you that my... When I was a kid, you could get... Here we go. Uh-oh. Spotlight. You could get, you know, you could tape pay-per-view movies, and you could have them on a VHS. And my teacher was always trying to take my VHSs

of my paper-viewed movies. And she's like, oh, you know, what do you have? What have you've been watching? Can I borrow them? Wait, I'm going to stop you there, Paul. What was the nature of your relationship with this teacher? What do you have? What do you have? What do you got? What do you got? What do you got? What do you got?

It was a cooler. You holding VHS? She was a-you-got-Bat-Mex? What do you got? What do you got? She was a cooler younger teacher. Oh, God. And she saw that I had this. So she would always come up to me like, hey, can I borrow like Ferris Peelers Day Off? And I was like, all right, sure. And then, but I was nervous about giving my VHS, my, you know, because I taped this off a paper view. I don't want to lose it. You know, I was nervous about giving it to my teacher.

Are these the videos that your dad would? erase the nudity out of? Oh yeah, sure, definitely. I mean, those are part of the... Armed and Dangerous was the one that he did that one for, which doesn't even really have nudity. So... I just want to point out,

you've told a story in which your relationship with an adult is deeply problematic. Never, never will end. It will never end. And talking about deeply problematic, this last review, I tried to...

I tried to figure out where to start and end it, and I don't know where, and I'm just bare with me here. It's written by Pierce. And Pierce... Braxton? Yes. And who did not get the part. So it goes at this.

This movie really hit the spot for me. It was refreshing, seeing CGI used in this fashion. I would hope that what I'm talking about when it comes to how a movie is, phenomenologically placed in a society that, you know, it's being done in a certain fashion that's aesthetically common and boring with the aspect ratio being ultra-high-deaf

where it feels like you are on an acid trip throughout the whole movie. That's how I feel when I watch every movie. Oh, my God. The more fantastical, the more, acidic the trip is. I decided to travel into yada, yada, yada,

mainstream this and mainstream that. In a mainstreamly rare way in which I believe that movies are the gateway to the next dimension. Through the occult. As above, so below, this movie was a movie.

I loved it. And it hit a real nice sweet spot for me in science fantasy. The title phenomenologically placed gem that a society whom is used to everything

being done in certain fashion and aesthetically common and boring way. Five stars. Well, read. I was really nervous reading it, but that's how it is written. Sound of Thunder came out in 2005. It's an hour and 50 minutes.

It has a six on rotten tomatoes, but an 18% for the audience score. The budget was 80 million. It was cut to 30. The opening gross was opening weekend. They opened up the paper, 2005. How much did it make? $917,000. Domestic gross.

1.9 million. Wow. Worldwide gross, 11 million. These are the top three movies of 2005. Star Wars, Episode 3. Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire and War of the Worlds. All right, this...

The fact that those movies exist at the same time as this... Wild. ...is insane. You know, like we said, Peterheim's great director made one of my favorite movies running scared, but also made Time Cop,

sudden death, end of... days and the musketeer. Another problem, besides the budget being cut from this movie, there were severe floods in the Czech Republic. So all the sets were damaged. The crew was constantly scrambling for high ground and moving sets and equipment to safety. They had to move out of their hotels as the water arose because their accommodations were red-tagged. So maybe, maybe Ed Burns is reacting so nonchalantly because he is living it already. He goes to set

to just sort of like relax. Jason, June. You want me to walk on a green screen? Yeah, it's like, cool. Easy. Because my hotel room flooded last night. I can calm down. All my personal objects are gone,

but you know, I wish I could see what I had. I have all these fucking cardboard boxes. Would you recommend this film? No. I would not. No. No, this was. This was a real bummer.

Yeah. We didn't even talk about like the just prolonged chase scenes that are kind of like, it's just boring. Yeah, it's... The quest goals are pointless. We have to go to this guy's apartment

to see if he changed the past. No, we have to go to this guy's apartment to see if he changed the past. So none of it really is satisfying. So the answer is, watch it. If you're listening to the podcast, watch it to see what we're talking about, but don't watch the whole movie. You got to watch it for the CGI.

I mean, honestly, it is honestly some of the worst, like the best worst CGI I've ever seen. In a movie that has, like, Sir Ben Kingsley and Ed Burr, in a movie that has, like, real, like, actors in a real setting. Like, this feels like a Neil Breen movie or something like that, you know? It is, it needs to be. be seen. And yeah, so for that, I would say definitely take a little fast forward to it, but watch it.

Watch it. It goes down. What doesn't go down easy? It's long. It's long. It's very long. Yeah, it's very long. Anyway, that is all for tonight.

A big thank you to Alec in the booth. Devin in the booth. Our producer, Molly Reynolds, our producer Cody Fisher. Our researcher, Nate Kylie. And of course, our movie picking. producer, Averill Hallie.