How Did This Get Made? - Champagne & Bullets (aka GetEven aka Road to Revenge) LIVE! w/ Jessica St. Clair

Episode Date: August 22, 2025

If you love The Room, Samurai Cop, & Birdemic, then you won't want to miss the 1993 self-funded indie action-drama Champagne & Bullets (aka GetEven aka Road to Revenge), written/directed/starring visi...onary John De Hart and based on a true story. LIVE from Portland, Jessica St. Clair brings the rizz as she helps Paul and Jason discuss the amazing Shimmy Slide, all the uncomfortable nude scenes, the black belt poodle, the baby sacrifice cult, the leather and cowboy outfits, bizarre music choices, and so much more. • Go to hdtgm.com for tour dates, merch, FAQs, and more• Have a Last Looks correction or omission? Call 619-PAULASK to leave us a voicemail!• Submit your Last Looks theme song to us here• Join the HDTGM conversation on Discord: discord.gg/hdtgm• Buy merch at howdidthisgetmade.dashery.com/• Order Paul’s book about his childhood: Joyful Recollections of Trauma• Shop our new hat collection at podswag.com• Paul’s Discord: discord.gg/paulscheer• Paul’s YouTube page: youtube.com/paulscheer• Follow Paul on Letterboxd: letterboxd.com/paulscheer• Subscribe to Enter The Dark Web w/ Paul & Rob Huebel: youtube.com/@enterthedarkweb• Listen to Unspooled with Paul & Amy Nicholson: unspooledpodcast.com• Listen to The Deep Dive with June & Jessica St. Clair: thedeepdiveacademy.com/podcast• Instagram: @hdtgm, @paulscheer, & @junediane• Twitter: @hdtgm, @paulscheer, & msjunediane  • Jason is not on social media• Episode transcripts available at how-did-this-get-made.simplecast.com/episodesGet access to all the podcasts you love, music channels and radio shows with the SiriusXM App! Get 3 months free using the link: siriusxm.com/hdtgm

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Listen up! You better take your piss stop and protect your human babies because Satan is loose. Oh yeah, and remember to be or not to be. We saw champagne and bullets so you know what that means.
Starting point is 00:00:20 Now we're starting. Radio star! Stone vest rock whipping just into Kelly A man you see a burlash show With Nick Crowe And take a focus speed To hitting crew's control Jay Man, Big Paul
Starting point is 00:00:38 and the beautiful dream Gonna take you from the pool all the way to the road Bring the hand to shrink body Hope to blow off sting Just a sucker punch the odd light For Timothy Gray. Shot middle
Starting point is 00:00:48 The Bird Demick, how we stand in life They call me on your badass And he's on the line Cranking 88 minutes Cause they cool as ice Cause a bad Jim Farnie looking kind and nice Calling June, getting rid of,
Starting point is 00:01:00 Jason is getting late June is making sure all the monkey shots get paid There's just a bunch of movies Why are they making the grade Here's a real question for you, how did this kid pay? Hello people of us And hello people of Portland! We are on
Starting point is 00:01:20 our final tour stop of the Beefcake Tour. That's right, we originally came out on the road as the doppelganger tour but due to our selection of films it has become the beef cake tour and tonight well well well we are talking about what some people call the worst movie ever made you might have watched champagne and bullets you might have watched And some of you might have watched Get Even. Interesting. A smattering of applause for each one.
Starting point is 00:02:11 Here's what I'll say. Champagne and Bullets is the version that you probably should watch if you like excessive nudity. Get Even is the one that you should watch if you like a more violent death of your main bad guy. Wait, what? He made it more violent and then towed it down? Yes.
Starting point is 00:02:38 We'll get into all the nitty-gritty of how each version is different, but let us break down what this movie is, okay? This movie, according to IMDB, says, two cops are fired after being set up by the corrupt boss, who then gets appointed as a judge, but secretly heads a satanic cult. After his wife is killed by the cult,
Starting point is 00:03:02 one of the cops is determined to bring the cult down. IMDB does not fuck around with their synopsis. They just straight out spoil the movie. The wife gets killed with 20 minutes left of the film. This movie was self-funded. This movie was released in 19, Reshoots happened after. Well, again, we'll talk about it.
Starting point is 00:03:35 It's the first time I can tell you, though, we found out some information about the director, the writer, the producer, the lead actor, and the musician of the film, John DeHart from LinkedIn. Yes. According to LinkedIn, in, he is the CEO
Starting point is 00:03:58 of production company. He is an actor, he's a singer, he's a writer, he's a producer, he is a licensed attorney. He is a real estate broker and a building contractor and, in his own words,
Starting point is 00:04:17 good at all of the above. That is what we know. He is still alive and he does say that he has a script for champagne and bullets too but he won't make it because you all think it's funny and it was made as a serious fucking film he also says he won't make it because Cindy has passed
Starting point is 00:04:48 so he does not want to make a movie without her because, you know, then you can't convince somebody else to get naked for 90% of the movie. It's a very hard job as you get older and older. I don't know what to say about this movie. I was afraid of it. Then I fell in love with it. And then it's left me with this like, this, I'm in it.
Starting point is 00:05:15 I'm still in it to this moment. I'm like, what did I watch? I don't know. We're going to break it down here tonight. But first, let me introduce my co-host. Please welcome to the stage, Mr. Jason Manzoukis. What's up? Jerks!
Starting point is 00:05:39 Yes, Portland, let's go. Let's go. It ends here tonight. Last night of the tour! We'll all be dead before door. Jason, June often says this, and I think about it a lot. We've been doing this show for a very long time. A shatteringly long time.
Starting point is 00:06:07 I have never heard of this movie. Zero, zero knowledge of this dot, dot, dot masterpiece? I mean, what did I watch? This movie was given to me, by Michael Weber, a great screenwriter, wrote 500 days. The disaster artist? What? Yes, the disaster artist? Yes. He has, he is a great, he's recommended two movies. He uses his movie selection very sparingly. Yes, Giorgio, the Pavarotti movie. Gave us that. Incredible. Then right before the tour, he goes, I think I got one for you. Champagne and book. I think I got one. Here's the thing, Weber, if you're listening, you know you got one for us. wow
Starting point is 00:06:54 this was a gift it was the last film that we picked and we called an audible in the middle of the tour like fuck it champagne and bullets is going to Portland you're welcome
Starting point is 00:07:05 you're welcome I have never this is a pantheon movie for me this is one of those ones that I know when I open my app my notes are just chaos I absolutely went
Starting point is 00:07:22 bonkers for this film on the flight today. Oh, I want, you because you told me, you told me there was nudity in the movie. I started it on the same flight and in my head I said, Paul said there's nudity,
Starting point is 00:07:37 the minute there's nudity, I'll switch it to something else. Five minutes. Less than five minutes. I was like, wow, this movie is incredible. I need to wait to enjoy it in the comfort of my own hotel room. It never stopped.
Starting point is 00:07:52 I just fast forward it. I was like, ding, ding, 10 seconds, 10 seconds. Like, I hit 10 seconds so many times. Like, still? Oh, the bathtub scene is, I believe, 13 minutes long. Let's get around here. We got it. We got it.
Starting point is 00:08:03 And now, our next co-host, who has been so gracious to join us on this tour. She is the co-host of the Deep Dive Podcast. She is the author of a book to help. help you small talk better. Please welcome to the stage Jessica St. Clair.
Starting point is 00:08:36 Hi, guys. Yeah. Woo! Be careful. You didn't stretch. Yes. I will say, Jess,
Starting point is 00:08:49 knowing that you we're watching this today brought me joy because I was like I cannot wait just to hear where you're at with this film I want to know
Starting point is 00:09:03 every one of your thoughts about this movie and what you maybe even can imagine its plot is this is what I'll tell you Paul starts apologizing for this movie
Starting point is 00:09:15 about five days ago he's like the movie it's got some weird themes and I'm like what kind of weird He's like, I'm going to look for a different version for you. And I'm like, what?
Starting point is 00:09:27 I did send Jess a different version. He's like, this has a little less, you know. It's funny. You treat Jess like your dad treated you. Yeah. Creating a version of the movie that's safe for her to interact with. So I'm like, well, surely this version, get even, is got to be nothing, no naughty bits. What was the original like?
Starting point is 00:09:49 Oh. Because this is so fucked up. Get even. so fucked up. Okay. Champagne and Bullets is, I'm gonna, I didn't watch the version you watch, I'm gonna guess it's 100 times more fucked up based simply on the absolute insanity that I saw put to cellular. I have all the differences. I'll just give you this. So champagne and bullets runs 99 minutes. Road to Revenge, 75. Get even 90. So I wouldn't rather the other Shorter one?
Starting point is 00:10:24 You know, well, the Road to Revenge was hard to find, although some of you found it. It is I mean, Get Even is the one that most people have watched. Oh. Okay, Champaign and Bullets is like the newest version. I see. An uncut version. Yes. What do you mean the newest?
Starting point is 00:10:42 All right, so... This is new? This film was originally edited as Champagne and Bullets in 16mm, but never released. This movie definitely feels like something that would be played at a bachelor party in the 80s. I guess. Right? Unlike the two other cuts, this one contains the full Shakespeare soliloquy.
Starting point is 00:11:06 Holy shit. What? I watched that. What? I watched that and it's, it is mad. What the fuck is inducing. It is wild. It also has, as Jason R.
Starting point is 00:11:20 already referenced, the full bathtub scene. I'm not kidding. The bathtub scene is easily 13 minutes long. The one that I watched felt like it was 36 hours long. I believe that the movie is simply a sales device for an album of absolutely incredible songs. Oh man. The gift the true gift of this movie are these songs. Now,
Starting point is 00:11:50 Now, Jason, here's what Jess saw that we didn't see. Okay, this is the most notorious cut. It has more comic relief with John's Lost Soul, Pinky, the Black Belt Poodle. Okay, wait. Wait. Hold on, hold on, hold on. There's one scene with a poodle. Yep, okay.
Starting point is 00:12:14 And I did write down, this poodle has more talent than anyone in this film. Whoa. This poodle's jumping off the screen. I mean, really. Okay, so I don't think we saw anything with the poodle. No, no poodle. I didn't see any poodle. I got a lot of poodle clips we can watch.
Starting point is 00:12:29 Had I dissociated? When I got done watching this movie, I was so fucked up that I was in like a dissociative state. I ate a giant, a king-sized snickers. And then I just started scrolling and I searched sorority rush videos on TikTok and I watched it for like an hour and a half. Did you think that was the movie? I thought
Starting point is 00:12:51 that was the only thing I thought could like, offset it or wash it out. This is the thing. This movie has invaded our minds. It changes you. And it is antibiotic resistant. We will have this movie forever. It's in, all of us.
Starting point is 00:13:10 It's it. This is an, it follows scenario. No. It's just, it's here. Now I will say one other. thing. Get even the version that just watched also includes a
Starting point is 00:13:24 martial arts sequence that was shot in 2007. You guys miss, what? That's 20 years later? Is Rick in it? Okay, yes. And what is so crazy, what's so crazy is
Starting point is 00:13:39 20 years later you'd think, oh, has he aged a lot? He seems just as weak. Yes. 20 years later, he's just like, ugh. He's swiping at the back. He was 49 or 50 years old at the time of filming. A very cool age.
Starting point is 00:13:57 Yes. Very vibrant. Very sexual. And even if he was a few years older, that would be cool too. Yeah, it would be. And he is. And he was 65 for the reshoots. We can all agree that's gross.
Starting point is 00:14:13 No, I will also point out that his love interest was 34 at the time. Now, the other thing I will say, and the biggest difference, the biggest difference between champagne and bullets and get even is the end death of the bad guy. Can I understand something? Who is releasing these new versions? Is anybody asking for it? I will show you.
Starting point is 00:14:38 It is John DeHart. John DeHart. There he is. Divorce quick. You can get a quick. divorce from him. He does everything. He's a straight up lawyer.
Starting point is 00:14:52 I have to say, hearing that, I'm like, good for him. Like, this guy has, he's got comp, he's got Riz. He's got Riz. Well, I do want you to look at this. When someone tried to troll John DeHart lawyer on his website, this is what you get back. This is
Starting point is 00:15:10 a picture two. Chad Brooks writes, I once got double-crossed by my boss, who was secretly the head, of a satanic cult, and they needed some help. John knew how to handle it. He's also a great singer. And John DeHart writes back, profoundly intuitive, Chad. I love this guy.
Starting point is 00:15:29 He gets it. He does get it. He gets it in that he doesn't get it, and he doesn't give a fuck. He doesn't give a fuck. He's tucking that sweat jacket into the sweatpants. He's trained... Everything gets tucked in.
Starting point is 00:15:44 He got married in a white tracks. What? That is a man? You got to get married. Who's got Riz? I mean, there's just too many notes. I do this thing now where I dictate the notes and it's absolutely, I'm looking at them.
Starting point is 00:15:59 They are chaos. Even if you didn't, I wrote them down, might make no sense. Oh, I mean, I'm writing, I was writing down so much. I was like, I think I have to stop at a certain point. But the opening sequence, when three cops surround, like a small trailer
Starting point is 00:16:14 and they're like, oh, fuck, we're outnumbered. No, you're not. Yeah. You're exactly numbered. They're also wearing silk black jackets that look like they're the pink ladies from Greece. Yeah. That's a L-A-P-D. And they're like, take cover.
Starting point is 00:16:31 They're literally walking in, like, plain sight up to the trailer. They're not hidden at all. My favorite thing is that their boss, I believe his name is Normad, their boss is wearing transition lenses on his sunglasses. The whole movie. He's wearing them in the courtroom. And it was shocking because at first you're like, oh, he's a cop, he's wearing the dark glasses,
Starting point is 00:16:56 and then after Huck gets shot regular glasses. I'm like, oh, I don't want to see this guy's eyes. My dad has those transition shades, and it really upsets people. It upsets people to just see you in sunglasses and then not. Yeah, it's too shocking. You can't trust a man. No. And by the way, great storytelling.
Starting point is 00:17:20 We understand right away. Don't trust. Untrustworthy. And yet somehow he becomes a judge. A judge? What is that trajectory? Well, obviously, John DeHart. Oh, he must know.
Starting point is 00:17:33 He did it. I mean, he became from actor to lawyer. I would believe that he could become a judge right now. I believe he was a lawyer who became a lawyer who became a lawyer. an actor and then state a lawyer and I love that she's when Cindy comes back Cindy right Cindy yeah when Cindy comes back
Starting point is 00:17:47 she's like are you still an actor he said I'm trying to audition I'm like still he's acting as if he's like 29 in the movie he is a police there's one line in the movie where Cindy goes back to her parents how's the parents want to reject her because she's been in a satanic cult
Starting point is 00:18:04 and you know and she's like you're like I'm not letting that guy in there and he goes, dad, he was a cop, and now he drives a limo. I'm like, that's not. That's a bad trajectory. I just want to get this out straight away right now. Okay. Cindy is part of a cult that kills a human baby.
Starting point is 00:18:27 There is no coming back from that. But he keeps saying to her, don't worry. We're going to work through it. You'll get past it. You can't get past it. He doesn't register. an ounce of shock. He has no reaction
Starting point is 00:18:43 to it and she, you see it in flashback and then she goes, a human baby. A human baby. Also, the movie doesn't understand film language at all. We see the whole thing in flashback. We know it's a human baby. The movie doesn't act like that's her
Starting point is 00:18:59 telling him. She tells him that story out loud when we come back from the flashback. I was like, that's not how we do this. Let's take a look at the devil worship scene. This really did haunt me. This is so crazy.
Starting point is 00:19:17 About the other night, those guys in the bar. He loves a hard talk. They're members of a cult. I have devil worshippers. The crowd I got into, they started getting involved in a coven. I just kind of fell into it. Now that's acting. I just love her to put on a bra.
Starting point is 00:19:43 You want to put her in a bra? I do. Interesting. I need her in something a little more support. There's the baby. We need to find that child. Go with Satan. This isn't right.
Starting point is 00:19:57 Who put their baby in this movie? Love you, Satan lives. Oh, baby's like the baby. I wish I could hold that baby. I'll save you. I love that the altar just has 666. Yeah. Very, very much like, we went to a party city, got some 666.
Starting point is 00:20:18 The upside, oh, I guess it's an upside-down cross. All right, so there it is. All right, so this is the satanic cult. And I will say that Cindy does jump out and say stop. That's a safe cat. Like very late after this. Yeah, very late. She waits for that baby to get all the way to the altar before she says anything.
Starting point is 00:20:37 She's part of this infanticist. side full stop. A hundred percent. And you don't bounce back from it. By the way, you said, like, you know, who might put their baby up for this role? Like, hey, we're casting for a baby
Starting point is 00:20:51 to be murdered. And somebody's like, oh, we'll give it to John. He's a good lawyer. We'll give him our baby. I'll tell you one person he didn't cast as his love interest, which is his girlfriend. Who was his girlfriend? The nun. Oh.
Starting point is 00:21:07 And God bless And John And John did say Oh no He's a media That When she saw the bathtub
Starting point is 00:21:21 scene She broke up with him This guy is a hero He is America's hero I mean What a fucking boss move The balls on this guy She doesn't even know it's in there
Starting point is 00:21:36 She had to see what the I mean like He did it. What? Respect. Yeah. So, you know, look. Wow.
Starting point is 00:21:44 And that poor nun, she was as bad as actor as he was. Oh, I mean, that was a rough. If not worse, that was a rust. But you know what? It makes sense because you're thinking to yourself, Jesus, why is this nun even in this movie? Yeah. And why are they giving us such a long scene with her?
Starting point is 00:22:00 When the nun goes, but you have to drive me back to the hospital. Why? He's at his dead wife's grave. He said, I'd rather spend a little time with Cindy. Well, she's bringing him to see, spoiler alert, his dead wife is alive! How humiliating is that? Oh, man.
Starting point is 00:22:19 She has to deliver her boyfriend to Cindy in those boobs. Yes. Not knowing that they just earlier that morning shot a 16-hour soap fest. Oh, my God. She, okay, you can't. Here's a little PSA for everybody. You can't fuck in water like that that's full of that soap. That pH, she's going to get.
Starting point is 00:22:40 She's getting a UTI that's going to last a month. Big time. My guy, you're an idiot. Big time. Now I will say, who came up with the plan to fake Cindy's death? Was it the EMT drivers? Yes.
Starting point is 00:22:56 Yes, she says she woke up in the ambulance and they take her away to protect her life so that the bad guys in the satanic cult think she's dead. Think she's dead. But now meanwhile... But who was working behind the scenes to help protect her. We never really...
Starting point is 00:23:11 The cowen says they wouldn't tell me. They wouldn't let me tell you. And he did no research himself. That means he never identified her body. Nope. As her husband, that's a given. Like, he went through a lot. By the way, this whole movie probably takes place
Starting point is 00:23:28 in eight days. Yeah. He meets his ex-girlfriend. And he has like easily 14 all-leather outfits in the course of that eight days. At least I mean I just want to get I want to get into all of it
Starting point is 00:23:42 We haven't talked Any of it We haven't talked about Huck Finley at all Which is To be honest That Character
Starting point is 00:23:50 Disturbed me more That character I felt like That is the point of view character for the movie Yes It felt to me like The movie only makes sense
Starting point is 00:24:01 If it's taking place In his mind In his broken broken mind. And I felt like I don't know if the actor was losing his mind throughout the filming, but it felt there was a lot of improv going on. Taking it moment to moment.
Starting point is 00:24:17 I felt like he thought he was in a David Mamet play. No, I think he thought he was Dennis Hopper in Apocalypse Now. Yes. I mean, there are moments when John is watching him and it looks like he's smiling like, oh, this is going to be good. Like that whole scene where he's like, you don't know Hamlet, you don't know Hamlet,
Starting point is 00:24:34 and John's like, who is? And then he's like, I'm so mad at you. Tell him the thing that Hamlet wrote. What? By the way, the fact that John DeHart is auditioning with his to be or not to be monologue, which has a cut in it, right? One of the benefits of that monologue is no cutting, right? Well, also, the cut is to just a slightly different angle of himself.
Starting point is 00:25:01 The movie foundationally doesn't understand the idea of coverage. So there are multiple scenes in which the person talking isn't shown because they've not shot that person. Like in the waiter. When the waiter comes, they're having a whole conversation with somebody you never see. What about the scene? What about the scene where in the foreground, all you hear is someone pushing phone buttons? As if someone's holding up a receiver to the microphone. There's so, the mix is so crazy in this movie.
Starting point is 00:25:34 It's crazy. The foregrounded stuff is always the soundtrack. Yes. And the ambient folly work, the crunching, the chewing. I don't know if it's folly work, either, like, the fountain, which I also had a feeling that they shot all of this in like a sad apartment building, like an empty apartment building. Oh, every location. This is a Mexican restaurant, and then they just put a fountain in there.
Starting point is 00:25:56 You're telling me a judge. His office is a windowless, artless, nothing of a box. I believe that every room in John's house was used for this movie. Yeah. I mean, that bar is not a bar. That is his garage, and he clearly collects video games. Yes. Because that's 1993.
Starting point is 00:26:19 He's got old-ass video games. You never see the other side of the bar. And then later on, when they're at another place, I'm like, oh, that's just the bar. That's the bar again. Can we talk about why? First of all, that they're wearing cowboy outfits. because I'm from Los Angeles and I don't see anybody say
Starting point is 00:26:36 I'm fixing to have you a drink or get you a drink. By the way, when they revealed that there was L.A., I was like, huh? I found it, I found it thrilling. I found it thrilling to be like, why are they doing cowboy shit? And then when everybody in the bar
Starting point is 00:26:51 begs him to sing, and then he sings, I'm going to say a seven-minute song, and I'm not kidding. He looks, with panic in his eyes. He looks like delivers a performance that is transcendent. That is better than Whitney Houston
Starting point is 00:27:12 singing of the National Anthem. It's absolutely transporting. And his neck and his head are moving as one column. He's so uncomfortable. I've never met it's seen a man more uncomfortable in his own body. And it's clearly a song that he has written that he knows the words to, but it feels like someone's like,
Starting point is 00:27:32 If you fuck up one word of this song that you don't know any of the words to, we will kill a human baby. This was the moment. This was the moment where I most felt like this was a Will Forte character. Yes, yes! Like, this is some sort of cutscene from McGruber, right? Yes. Let's watch clip one, the shimmy, shimmy shake.
Starting point is 00:27:55 Wow. Or, sorry, the shimmy slide. The shimmy slide, okay. Cindy's mom is also an uncertainty. Okay, can we pause for a second? Can we pause for a second? Cindy's mom wears that outfit only. She wears that outfit to her daughter's funeral, I believe?
Starting point is 00:28:16 Also, who goes to a bar where there's just full nudity women dancing with their mom? With their mom? Wait, hold on, but wait. And there's a child there? Hold on. Just think about when you hear the shimmy slide, you want to take. take off all your clothes. That is a song that makes you go hot.
Starting point is 00:28:37 Now this mom has one of my favorite lines the whole movie. She goes, I'll be right back. I got a lot of things going on. Yeah. And you know what? She's just going to come right back in in 35 seconds. I believe her, though. I believe she's fucking busy. Yeah. What has she got going on?
Starting point is 00:28:54 All right, so here is the shimmy side. Here we go. Goblet of wine, too big. Oh, my God. I mean, this leather is next level. That fireplace is in his living room. Yeah. Yes. Totally.
Starting point is 00:29:13 Yes. He's so scared. It's his movie. He's so scared to be in his own movie. In his mind. This was going to be the like, Ghostbusters, we're going to call. Like, this was going to be. the theme. Oh, yeah. And I have a whole
Starting point is 00:29:34 dance that goes with it. It was going to sweep the nation. By the way, the song is a banger. The song, I mean, I would kill for somebody to do a cover of this. Please, the Chapel Rone to a cover of this song. He has mystified
Starting point is 00:29:50 the Shemis slide did not become a huge hit. He has said that. No, but, but the joke is on us. Yes. Because on YouTube, people are obsessed with the Shimmy Slide. He has won. Oh, well.
Starting point is 00:30:04 He hath one. As he should. Yes, I agree. As he should. This is what we deserve America. This, we did this to ourselves. Right? This whole tour has been somehow about the manosphere, I believe, and toxic masculinity.
Starting point is 00:30:22 Yeah. I do want to bring up this thing, because this is great. During this scene, John is fucked up on pain meds, because his back was so seized up. It was actually fucked throughout of most of production. That makes sense why he can't move in his spinal collar. Now I feel bad.
Starting point is 00:30:42 As someone who has also experienced lower back pain, I understand, so now I feel bad. But, no, but I mean, then don't shoot this. He looks like he is. Falked up on pain meds. Like, of course he's scared out of his mind. He doesn't know where he is. And he's directing himself.
Starting point is 00:31:02 I got to get, I'm making this movie. Well, I'm just directing it, right? No, you're acting in it too. What? Red dot's about to appear on his forehead. Yeah. I just imagine him, like I imagine him waking up and I'm like, John, you got to get the set. What?
Starting point is 00:31:17 Set, I'm a lawyer. No, you're directing a movie. Oh, you have to go to set downstairs. You have to go to set down in the basement. Craft service is already set up, John, get up. Well, at least I'm only directing it. No, no, you're acting in it too. Oh.
Starting point is 00:31:31 Wait, what? At least I'm not singing all the songs. You are singing all the songs. In real time. I honestly would believe that they had a boombox playing the soundtrack while they acted. 100% yes. And the performances are better for it.
Starting point is 00:31:51 I will fuck to this soundtrack. Mark my words, Portland. And I want you to too, too. Tonight, I demand that Portland fuck to this music. Now, Jason, though, when you fuck, when you finish fucking, you always say, adiosi, Bella Lagosi. Yeah, I do.
Starting point is 00:32:11 I do. I... Can I just... Cindy, your eyes are... They're incredible. There's still the most beautiful eyes I've ever seen. Still? Still? Still? I haven't seen more beautiful.
Starting point is 00:32:28 Every one of his lines are so weird. They're so weird. When he says the pleasure is all mine at the end of a scene, that's not been the setup. It's wild. All I want to talk about is the court scene in the beginning when these two guys are getting framed as drug addicts. There are words in here that I'm shocked by. The Normand or Normad, when Normad says they were in front of a panderer's vehicle. With a myriad of paint on it.
Starting point is 00:33:03 What? I believe that's like a van that's got like some art on the side. Just say it's got a, it's got like a Buffalo Bill van vibe. And then again, and then... It rubs the lotion on its skin. Well, we found out on this tour that Jess is afraid of silence of the lamb. So do not... Specifically, that voice is apparently quite triggering.
Starting point is 00:33:26 We did this. We already did this. MoveOn.org. It came up organically. No, it did it. It came up organically. And don't bring it back. It came up organically.
Starting point is 00:33:35 Now, the way that Normad describes them as drug addicts is so he's like, I saw him take his left hand and push it on his nostril and then the right hand held the... He created a miniature straw. Yes, out of a matchbook. He rolled a matchbook. With which to sniff up the drugs, why did we have to hear that monologue? I mean, it was a monologue of, like, the slowest details. It was like, it was as if this movie was for the visually impaired, but it was like, oh, he's walked. This is wonderful.
Starting point is 00:34:15 He's walking us through the scene. But we don't need all that because he's testifying about cops to cops. They all know what doing drugs are. Yes. So, there's no, it's, it makes no. sense and thank God, right? I'm going to say this. In the first 15 or so minutes, I must have checked the runtime 10 times, right?
Starting point is 00:34:37 And was like, it's only been five minutes, it's only been 10 minutes. And then this happened, and for the rest of the movie, I was like, I'm in, baby. When they bail Huck Finn out, and that whole scene unfolds, and then our guy Rick tags it with, here's a quarter, buy yourself a personality. I was like, I'm in. I don't know why. And the rest of the movie sailed by. I was, oh, Beth, clip two.
Starting point is 00:35:07 Just, let's watch that for a second. Sign right here, ma'am. Now, look, he's thinking about how he's going to say it. Well, well, way, well, how do you do the two? Is he saying? Man. Now, here's Huck Finley. I just want to say one thing.
Starting point is 00:35:20 Finney, Finney, Finney. I'm from a personal observation that the accommodations here, they, I don't know, they just suck. I feel really uncomfortable around him. Here's a quarter. Buy yourself a personality. Boom! And then they just hang on the back of the top. And then they just wander out.
Starting point is 00:35:45 Huck. I do want to get back to Huck because Huck to me is such a wild card. He talks to a Native American statue that is with him. at each of his locations. It's at home with him. It's outside with him. It's wherever he is, that statue or whatever is with him. I was shot, and he's talking.
Starting point is 00:36:09 He is from the, at first we're like, okay, he's upset that Normad has framed him. Sure. That's why he's a live wire. But then we realized, oh, he's not a live wire. Well, he's upset, I think, because Normad first got him shot.
Starting point is 00:36:25 Right. Didn't care. Right. didn't cover him, although they were just in a field. There was no way, honestly, justice for Normad, because what could he do? Justice for the guy that killed a baby? What do you tell? This is a Satanist who murdered a baby.
Starting point is 00:36:41 This is how we got Trump. This is how we got a second Trump. Because you're rooting for Norman. Normad, look, when you run a satanic church, you've got to do some stuff. It's still church, I guess. It is. And it provides community. But yeah, he's pissed at Normad, fine.
Starting point is 00:37:05 But then what we're realizing is he is, it is like the heart of darkness. He's starting to lose it. He thinks everyone nailed his wife. When he says that, everybody, my wife is banging all my friends. I'm like, first of all, you're married? That has not been established. Nor, we haven't, you, it's hard to. I'm not rooting for this guy at all.
Starting point is 00:37:28 He belongs in jail. Yeah. No, he belongs in an insane asylum. But actually that's true. His scene with Alex. His wife? His ex-wife. I thought she was fantastic.
Starting point is 00:37:39 She was great. She's doing phenomenal beat to moment-to-moment work. And I do feel like I have a feeling that John had them all over to kind of workshop some of these scenes before they, because they really felt like lived in. Yes. Do you know what I mean? Oh, yeah. It felt like they were really living with these characters.
Starting point is 00:37:59 Yeah, really living with the characters. Like Daniel DeLewis becoming a cobbler. Right. But why we have to cut in the middle of that fight to just a TV screen with static on it. And like, also, either she's standing in front of the TV or what, but there's shadow puppets on his face
Starting point is 00:38:18 through the entire thing. Yeah. The lighting of it, they would just set a light up and then just fucking let it rip. Yep. Oh, yeah. Just one light. Well, I mean, look, I think they have one microphone, too,
Starting point is 00:38:29 because when the judge who is kicking them off of the force, he's miced when the camera's on him. Far away. But when they're on the other ones, he is not miced. Correct. So they didn't either, did they not shoot both sides? I don't understand. No, they could not do any coverage, either audio or video whatsoever.
Starting point is 00:38:49 The same thing happens with Benny, the waiter at the restaurant. Yeah, poor. Wow. Well, this is, what I love about this, And I guess it can compare this movie to the room, right? Tommy Wazzo. And I think what I love about movies like this is it does also show how these men view themselves. Like, oh, I'm the guy they love when I tell jokes.
Starting point is 00:39:11 Women want to fuck me. The two jokes he tells in the restaurant are so disturbing. I wrote it down. I mean, well, we have the scene. I mean, this is a movie that we got to play scenes on. Clip three. I got a position joke for you. This is for sure shot in his breakfast nook in his house in Marina Delray.
Starting point is 00:39:31 The doctor says, hey, you got to disrobe. She says, I'm very shy. Can we turn the lights off? He says, okay, he turns the lights off. She takes her clothes off and she says, Doctor, where should I put them? He says, right over here on top of mine. I love that he referred to that in the setup as a position joke.
Starting point is 00:39:52 I've got a position joke for you. What? I don't think we classify jokes like that. Can I help you? The duck says, yeah, get this guy off my ass. And then she has to laugh at it. You always have a good job. Look at, she deserves an Academy Award.
Starting point is 00:40:09 She does. I'm not kidding. No, she's amazing because she looks like she is in love with him. Here's what I love. After he tells that doctor joke, and I think it's after he tells the one about the duck, he goes, quite a profession. incredible doctors quite quite a profession he's got throwaway lines like that throughout that are just like quite a
Starting point is 00:40:32 like it's like it's a true story quite a profession here's here's the other one that he has that I was like my scrambled my brain he goes how about we drink to new beginnings let's hope they never end wait a minute now hang on I'm gonna I really want to examine that let's hope new beginnings never end they have have to. I think that if to be successful at this, the beginning can't be persistent. Well, but here's what I think
Starting point is 00:41:02 midway through the movie I wrote down, this isn't an action movie. This is a romance. Yes. This is a straight-up... Yes. It is. And you know, now I'm thinking about it. I actually think this pairing
Starting point is 00:41:16 makes sense. Because if you are somebody who participated even unwillingly in the murder of a baby, who is going to take you in and accept you for that? Not only take you in and accept you, but take you in and accept you immediately. Right.
Starting point is 00:41:33 Is a guy like this? He is unfazed when she says that they killed a human baby. Right. So in a lot of ways, this made December romance makes a lot of sense. Yeah. I was laughing at the guy named Scar. Oh.
Starting point is 00:41:52 And I'll tell you why. You know, one guy's name's snake, the other guy's name Scar. Now, I assume that Scar got the scar because he's a bad guy. He's done some stuff. When do you make that transition of the name? That's what I kept on thinking about. When do you become Scar? Is it like he was Ralph?
Starting point is 00:42:10 Well, but I'm saying was he Ralph until that one bad fight? Yeah, I think so. For sure. And then you just go like, don't call me Ralph anymore. I don't know why I went down. This movie opened my brains of thoughts I've never really. It's like doing acid. I really feel like.
Starting point is 00:42:23 we all did ketamine. Yes. And we're seeing and making connections that we weren't able to before. I think it's interesting and what you're getting at is that every single character could be the lead of this movie
Starting point is 00:42:36 including SCAR, including sideburns guy. Well, I did do some research on SCAR. And I found out that he did do double duty as wardrobe. Incredible.
Starting point is 00:42:52 So he's Sourced all the leather. He also felt like, because scene to scene, his scar is a little different. And I feel like, so, like, someone handed him, like, an eyeliner and said, have at it, you know? Just try to make it like last night, you know? Because sometimes it's, you know. Well, these guys, I mean, these guys are, the other thing I like about this movie, too, is like, these guys, everyone's drinking a beer.
Starting point is 00:43:15 Always. Always. They're men. That's what men do. You're right. Even the little kid at the strip club is drinking a beer. that little kid who gnarcs on the strip club
Starting point is 00:43:24 first of all it's an arcade bar that then that Rick Why do they start stripping? Rick sings an eight minute country western song and then a woman comes out in strips now there's a child
Starting point is 00:43:36 who's been drinking a beer and the child drinking a beer is outraged at the strip club as she should be to borrow the phone and calls the cops and doesn't her mom say
Starting point is 00:43:49 I've seen worse stuff your bedroom. Yes. Like, what? Yes. What is this movie? By the way, it reminds me that John DeHart, when he comes into that bar scene, that woman leaves, you go, they've got a lot of stuff going on, she leaves her beer
Starting point is 00:44:06 there, and he just takes a sip of her beer. Before his is brought to him by Huck, who says, beer friend, beer friend. Like, that's the other thing. Huck is doing, like we said, improv out the ass, and I, you know, I, I kind of love it. Oh, he's giving a performance that is at least keeping us, like, off balance and guessing. Because Rick is, his character is stoic. I think he thinks he's doing, like, a Clint Eastwood type of, dirty hairy kind of guy.
Starting point is 00:44:38 But when, and this whole scene leads up to the, he sings the song, it's the strip club, the kid calls the cops, the bad guys show up, they try and capture and kidnap Cindy. Cindy, and Huck and Rick beat the shit out of the guys, clumsily. Like a Six Flags stunt show. It's like, Batman Forever, Live, every day, every 45 minutes. They don't make any contact with the other person's body. The amount of women who are slapped should have upset me, but it didn't because they're never hurt. They're just like, slap, don't do that.
Starting point is 00:45:17 Slap! I said I love you. Slap! I mean, they say the word bitch in this movie all the time. They got that bitch. This will be in my men's studies class for sure. We're going to be studying this. We get at this point afterwards to the first Rick and Cindy sex scene, which I just want to read my stream of consciousness reaction to.
Starting point is 00:45:38 Okay? This is how it occurred to me in the room earlier today, talking into my phone while watching. Okay. the first thing it says please tell me there's a soundtrack for this on an app. Okay, next. They are in real time undressing
Starting point is 00:45:54 each other clumsily. She's biting his shoulder. Does his shirt never come off? He's doing the ice cube down the right leg thing, seduction thing. Oh, wait a minute. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, what is this movie question mark? Now it's like a
Starting point is 00:46:13 Cinemex movie question mark, but worse? dot, dot, dot, dot, dot, dot, inexplicably? That's what I, that's me. Imagine you're in the room next door. And you hear me screaming these words stoned in my hotel room. Poor, poor Cindy. Watching her come in for a kiss, she did something I've never seen on screen before, which is open her mouth.
Starting point is 00:46:43 She comes from her like, oh. Like Pac-Man. Yes. She fucking Pac-Man. She's ready for it. Yep. She is, it is a wide, it's a wide berth. But I will say she doesn't seem, like, whatever they have, like, I feel like.
Starting point is 00:47:02 I don't see the disgust that we should. Right, exactly. So either they did have some chemistry, which is disgusting. Right. Or she's the best actress in the world. Either way, Justice for me. She's fabulous. By the way, I just saw my notes
Starting point is 00:47:20 after giving him all this props for the Shimmie slide. He didn't write it. Who did? Is it a cover? He said he bought the rights to it and put his voice on it. So maybe he really didn't know the lyrics. I love it. I love it.
Starting point is 00:47:37 Absolutely fantastic. This movies, I really, I can't, I'm jumping ahead so much, but I can't recommend this movie enough because so much of what we are talking about, so many of the scenes are undone by music that is so present, so forward, in the Huck and his ex-wife scene,
Starting point is 00:47:56 it is as if someone has opened up the drum option in a Cassio keyboard and is just doing this. It is abject chaos on the soundtrack in a way that is so crazy and wild. that I would believe if an eighth grader had made it, you know? It felt... Yeah, because we all got one of those keyboards in eighth, you know, sixth grade,
Starting point is 00:48:24 and you just be, your mother would be like, shut the fuck up. I'm going to throw that fucking gas your keyboard away. Bongo, bongo, bongo, bongo, bongo, bongo, high hat, high hat, high hat, high hat, bass drum, snare drum, bongo, bongo, bongo. That's what it is. The whole... We'll have them put it in right now so that you can hear it while you're listening to podcast, how intrusive and competitive it is to have this level of nonsense drumming happening.
Starting point is 00:48:51 I, uh, I, I, I love that scene because he goes, you didn't care when you were at the Beverly Center, which is like a mid-tier mall. It's a gross mall. Yeah. It's a gross mall. Oh, yeah. While you were at the Nordstrom rack. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:49:07 It was like buying all that stuff. Like, on a cop salary? Well, if, if his buddy boo. out, and all that is left is that futon. Yeah. And that one TV, that's all he has. Also, these guys, imagine
Starting point is 00:49:22 a world, again, I think this movie imagines that these are younger people. Imagine a world in which two men in their 60s are roommates after having been cops for only seven years. So that means
Starting point is 00:49:39 Rick became a cop when he was in his 40s. Which is hard to do just to pass the physical requirements. Hang on. Somebody could do what I bet. He's not running around. He's not running too fast. I mean, I bet if you, like, worked at it.
Starting point is 00:49:52 Yeah, yeah, yeah. He could probably do it. It's such a wild, it's a wild turn of events because the fact that that guy becomes a judge, as if that's the trajectory of cops, it's like, you kiss the boss's ass, you'll become a judge. Yeah. I loved it. I loved it. And it's also absolutely clear that when he's a judge,
Starting point is 00:50:17 his judge's robes are the priest's robes from the funeral. Okay. And the wedding. Because I thought, is that like when they cut your hair? They put a robe, like a, maybe they ran over to the sun. No, I believe it's the priest's wardrobe. Yes, it is. It's tight around the collar like that.
Starting point is 00:50:36 It's tight. You can't afford a judge's robe at party city. He was going to side over the trial of Huck. We had a trial in this movie. Huck goes to jail. Twice. Huck goes to jail twice. And when he's there, drinks all the fucking cleaning fluid.
Starting point is 00:50:55 Bleach! Bleach! Rick says, you did the bleach thing. And then he goes, you did that bleach thing. What? Survived that? What do you mean? Drag bleach.
Starting point is 00:51:08 You can't survive it. Commit suicide? What are you talking about? Huck is in rough shape. He's in rough shape. And then because of this, he is just free? Because he attempts to unalive himself, he becomes free. And he's allowed to just smoke in his bed.
Starting point is 00:51:28 He gets to go home. He's cool. His voice is fine. Yeah. Are you leaving? I was going to go into the crowd. Are you mad at us? I was going to go out here.
Starting point is 00:51:38 It's been a long week. Can we get houselights, please? Can we get full of houselights? I realize I never go to the front row for questions, but I still have a great notebook full of a very nice handwriting. All right, what's your name? Elaine. Okay, and what's your question?
Starting point is 00:51:55 Okay, I want to go back to the henchman scar. Yes. Yes, with his eyeliner scar. So this movie came out in 1993. The Lion King came out in 1994. Wow. I love this. I love this.
Starting point is 00:52:14 Wow. Making connects. See what I mean? We're all on ketamine. We're making connection. I would love it. We're seeing the clockwork elves. This is Carl Young's collective unconscious.
Starting point is 00:52:25 Yes. Okay. So, yeah. Do you think that Scar was, Scar from Lion King was inspired by Scarfro? Yes. 100% yes. Absolutely yes. And I believe John, what's his name?
Starting point is 00:52:39 has a great I would believe he would have sued Disney by now if there was any truth to that but you could see the animators at Pixar getting a copy of this somehow yeah I love it all right yes your name your question my name is Amelia
Starting point is 00:52:57 why was every woman in the wedding scene wearing a white dress great question I believe that they were like we're not sure who's going to get married so everybody wear a wedding dress or Scar who did wardrobe showed up with just all wedding dresses and they were like he was like I didn't get I didn't understand the assignment John you didn't call me back you took those pills and then you went to sleep
Starting point is 00:53:21 and nobody let me know what we needed for the day allegedly I blame Scar I should have gotten everybody different outfits yes your name your question well actually my name's Rodney looking at the hat I'm surprised the hats haven't come up yet so they're just black hats from like a truck stop that they colored over with the magic marker, right? They did.
Starting point is 00:53:42 Yeah. They definitely are. Again, that scar doing a lot with a little. Oh, yeah. I'm sure he was given zero dollars except for, I think he had a pretty sizeable leather budget. Yeah. But also, flexible leather. Like, track pants meets a leather.
Starting point is 00:54:01 Yeah, pleather. Well, he vacillates between, like, a sweatsuit type of look, always tucked in, and just top to bottom, leather. But not in a leather daddy kind of way, in like a blousey leather 80s kind of way. Keep it loose. Everyone wants to see their leather loose.
Starting point is 00:54:20 It feels like all of it is, is like from a woman's closet in Aspen in 1987. Absolutely. That's where all the leather came from. Everything came from an estate stale. Yes. Yes, your name. My name is Jenna.
Starting point is 00:54:38 Did John DeHart sleep with Huck's wife? Because methinks he doth protest too much. Oh, is that Hamlet? Is that Hamlet's writing? Are you quoting Hamlet's writing? Wonderful callback. I really don't think, I really believe that he is a stand-up guy. I do too. And a good friend, but his friend is clearly having a nervous breakdown,
Starting point is 00:55:05 and he can't shut up about those fucking wedding plans. He shows up and his friend has clearly lost his mind. He is having a psychotic break. He's like, hope to see you on Sunday. Even before that, even before that, he's like, how come you can't be happy for me that Cindy and I are back together? Yeah. And I was like, my dude, Huck is losing his mind.
Starting point is 00:55:26 He's having, he's dyed hair. He drank bleach. Yes, he drank bleach. That's a cry for help. He has dyed his hair. He is in a pool. With women in bikinis talking about, and he says Israelites in a way that I've never heard it said.
Starting point is 00:55:46 Israelisites. Like, he says Israeliites. Israeliites. What's up with the, why is their hair dyed red? Why? Because Huck Finn. Oh, because of Huck Finn? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:55:57 The whole thing, he's, I felt like that was his pitch. That was that actor's pitch was like, what if it's a whole Huck Finn thing? Well, get ready, Jason. Oh, boy. Because John was fucked up on pain pills. He was not able to be at that pool scene. Oh, no. And didn't know what that scene was until he saw it in the dailies
Starting point is 00:56:20 and said he was quite surprised. Incredible. That's incredible. It's so good. Everything you're telling us, Paul, is so, so good. I'm now thinking that actor who's done all this work, but he's probably been, like, you know, more supporting roles. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:56:37 This was his chance to flex. his dramatic muscle. Everyone here is making an acting real. They're all like, this is going to get me to the next level. Yeah. And you know what? They were right. Your name?
Starting point is 00:56:48 Alex. Your question? I wanted to know if you noticed at the end of the scene where they're having sex after the wedding, he puts like a champagne glass on a side table. But he, like, is fumbling around, and then a hand grabs it. Say it again. Yeah, so a hand grabs the champagne. You see the hand.
Starting point is 00:57:08 How many times do you think he dropped the champagne? They said, fuck it. I'm going to grab it. So he went to go put it on a side table, but then someone grabs it before he puts it down. So it's like something, this is like my favorite story. A random hand? Yeah. No.
Starting point is 00:57:26 Another person's hand comes in? My friend worked, my friend was an AD, worked on Lifetime movies, worked with a very famous actress. and every time they would say cut, she would drop whatever she was holding in her hand. That's a diva move. Yeah. And so they always had to make sure that they didn't call cut until something was down
Starting point is 00:57:53 or they had someone underneath her with like a blanket to catch the things. Like a big pool net? Yeah, like and I do feel like that's like, you're right. I think that glass broke. many times. By the way, we didn't talk about the strip scene on the night of the wedding. Incredible. Incredible stuff. The whole wedding is crazy.
Starting point is 00:58:17 I mean, I could talk about that forever. I could talk. The bathtub scene is deserving of at least an hour of our time, Portland. First of all, is that his bathtub, his real bathtub? And why is it a nautical theme? Yeah. Why is there a genuine nautical thing? There's like a fishing net behind him on the wall and all this crap.
Starting point is 00:58:43 Also, he keeps trying to feed her champagne from a glass awkwardly. There's a second glass there. Pour her her own champagne. I am in the lower balcony. What do you have? What's your name? What's your question? Christina, it's more of a comment about Normad.
Starting point is 00:59:03 I read an interview with John DeHarrow. where they asked him what's up with the name Normad and he said it was a typo that it was meant to be Norman. Ah! Amazing. Amazing.
Starting point is 00:59:16 Wow. What the fuck? Incredible stuff. They couldn't afford the white out to make the fix. All right, yes, your name, your question. I'm Scott. So did you notice that when Huck
Starting point is 00:59:29 was ironing his jeans, he put Budweiser on them to get the creases out? What? That's a good tip. And why? You got to do that especially if it's raw denim. If you...
Starting point is 00:59:42 If it's Japanese salvage denim, you got to soak it in beer. If you are two men in your 60s living together, you don't want to come home and see your bro pantsless ironing. Like that's every night for them. He's just pantsless. By the way, I will say beer on jeans. I'm sure you can find a TikTok that tells you to do that. Nicola Bultra, that's the one that you've got to use.
Starting point is 01:00:08 You shouldn't be washing your denim. You should just be soaking it in a hoppy IPA. Yes, your name, your question. Ryan, less of a question, more. You guys missed out on Winghauser's greatest credit, which is that he's Colehouser's father. Oh, wow. And that's why he looks right, because I was thinking about that.
Starting point is 01:00:28 I was like, yes, you have a yes. Also, his de-escalation method when he was in with his ex-wife is fit in her face. That's tough. Well, you know what? She was asking for that alimony. I mean, by the way, how much alimony she gets it? And she said, and you never knew what to do with these.
Starting point is 01:00:46 Yes. What does she say? Something like that. That is what she says. When she rips her own shirt off to frame him. I don't know. You never knew what to do with bees either. I will say that rang false to me.
Starting point is 01:01:04 What? You don't know if women are like, you don't know how to use my breasts. You don't know how to use these. You know what? Every woman wants her boobs to be used in the right way. It's what we dream of as little girls. Someday, someone, a man's going to come along and know how to use these and show me how they should be. And you spend all that time being like, well, I can't wait until I have usable boobs.
Starting point is 01:01:32 I can't wait till I've got usable boobs. Who's got the question? So you guys didn't talk about one of my favorite lines of the movie, and he uses it a few times, so I think he wanted it to be the catchphrase. In the bar, someone says, ready to get hurt, and our hero says, Not a Problem.
Starting point is 01:01:57 Yeah. Yeah, and he says that about hell. I'll see you in hell, and he says, not a problem. What does that mean? Yeah. What does that mean? I will be in hell and I'm cool with it. Not a problem. I'll get there. I'll get there when I'm good
Starting point is 01:02:13 and damn ready. He's cool in all situations. He is. Back row of the balcony. Last row. First row. Wait. Are they also wearing costumes? What? Nothing. Go ahead. Great costumes. Great costumes up here. We got some great costumes. All right. Who's going to ask a question?
Starting point is 01:02:31 Hi. such a pleasure was I the only one so first I listened to the end of a little bit of a director's commentary on the film I don't know if you were aware of this no he talks about how he's such a method actor the whole history of theater which makes me wonder
Starting point is 01:02:47 was he actually falling asleep in the bathtub scene when Cindy was earning like Academy Award after Academy Award I think what we can take away from this movie is back meds are fucking serious I loved it in multiple scenes he's kind of like. Like, they're just like, John, John, don't go under the water. John?
Starting point is 01:03:09 John's under the water. 12-hour days are a bitch. All right. Another back row. Gentlemen, how are you? What's your name? Hi, I'm Garrett. Two things.
Starting point is 01:03:22 Wingshouser actually passed away on March 15th. Oh. And then I know none of you are necessarily, financial advisors. How do you know that? John's a lot of things. We could have a lot of things too. How do you know that?
Starting point is 01:03:41 In this tumultuous economy, do you recommend taking my gas bill, my electric bill, my landlord shooting it and then flushing it down the toilet?
Starting point is 01:03:57 Yes. Yes. Do it. That is efficient. We should see at work. We are getting efficient in this government, and we got to shoot all of our bills. It was the tiniest gun, too. Oh, it's like a tiny little derringer.
Starting point is 01:04:13 And it wasn't working. Correct me if I'm wrong, but when a gun clicks and nothing comes out, we're out of bullets. He would go click, click, click. Wait, what are you saying? What have you heard? But it felt like there was a malfunction in this toy gun. Yes, because it was. It probably only has two bullets in it, and he has like a bunch of shit.
Starting point is 01:04:36 He's got too many bills. He has so many bills. Thank God he expended all the bullets on those bills because when his ex-wife came over, he would have shot her. Now, we talked about, did, you know, maybe Pixar see this film and title one of their character's scar, but he did say this is supposed to be a surrealist movie, all right? It was shot a year before Pulp Fiction, and he believes it's... kind of the inspiration for Pulp Fiction.
Starting point is 01:05:04 What? Of course. I see. We all see it. He also says, but really where he takes inspiration is from Clockwork Orange. Of course, we all see that. This is Kubrickian in its intensity and its scintillating analysis of violence. The government killed Kennedy.
Starting point is 01:05:27 That's what's hidden in this movie. All the clues are there. Just like Kubrick's Des Shining said that we fake the movie. landing this show that we killed Kennedy. Here's the rub. The movie is based on a true story. Sean was a limo driver, and one of his routine clients was a young
Starting point is 01:05:44 20-year-old. One night she started crying and confessed that she had been witnessed to a satanic cult in Riverside County where a baby was sacrificed. No, what are you talking about? Not wanting to push her for more details
Starting point is 01:05:59 since she was so distraught. He figured he would ask her some other time. A week after her confession, she was dead. Whoa! From a motorcycle accident, which he suspects was homicide. The police labeled it an accident, but John believed it was deliberate. So he put out an award for any information. And that prompted the police to raid his home.
Starting point is 01:06:32 believing he was responsible. Oh, what? Thank God. So not only does he not solve this murder, he becomes... He gets framed. He becomes a person of interest? And that is...
Starting point is 01:06:51 Wow. Wow. Now, obviously, there are a lot of people out there that have different opinions about this movie, but now it is time for us to hear a second opinion. Is there more soft-core porn in this one Huck was dying But now he's in contempt
Starting point is 01:07:16 And drinking beer So shimmy sliding cowboy year Sex in the bath And covens that aren't great with children Another shot for the poet Thinks you look good in that thong Fake your death and save your change Because we're saving up for new personality
Starting point is 01:07:39 Recording bad sound while these people get down So thankful this movie is streaming I'll be your polyester puppet I give this movie five stars champagne and bullets Amazing! What's your name? What's your name? What's your name? Oh, my name's Jane. My name's Jane.
Starting point is 01:08:01 I'm ready to give it up. Oh, you know what I'm mad I forgot to do? I wanted to, like they do a lot in the Satanist scene, there will be just like an off-camera like, we love you, Satan. Yeah. I wanted to just pepper that in throughout the show. We love you, Satan.
Starting point is 01:08:19 We love you, Satan. It's just so casual. We love you, Satan. Well, I'll tell you this much. This is an interesting one. There are no reviews for this movie on Amazon. Really? So there are no reviews for any of the three versions?
Starting point is 01:08:34 I guess maybe this version. There are four total reviews on Rotten Tomatoes. None of them are five stars. So we've kind of pulled these from different spots. This one is from Cooper Steve 67 and wrote, would have given this 10 stars if I could have heard the conversation at the restaurant over the chewing. It's incredible. The chewing is so, the chewing in the song are so,
Starting point is 01:08:59 loud. And then says Wingshouser is lovable as Huck, but obviously Brad Pitt used it for inspiration in 12 monkeys. Yes. Yes. And then ends his review by saying
Starting point is 01:09:15 the bail bond scene was very informative. There were more paperwork instructions given by the bail bondsman than I ever got when my family was in trouble. Wow. Because that's true. There was a very long scene, if you remember, he's like, we have to do complicate this. You've got to sign here. Hold on a second. More signings.
Starting point is 01:09:35 From conceptual editing, this is written. I've been, and I am a mainstream film editor. Flex. Since 1985, I've viewed this film, wrote to revenge more than once. Each time has been better. John DeHart, Wingshouser, and William Smith give magnificent performance. The message is good over evil, and it's delivered in a surrealist style. This is a stand-up film that is character-driven with substance and good continuity. This movie is worth seeing
Starting point is 01:10:09 over and over. You'll come away with something new each time. I am one of the many that really appreciate the work. If you check the rating votes, you'll see that every lady voted gave it ten stars. What? I happen to be a man. This is John. Yeah, this might be a joke.
Starting point is 01:10:27 This is John. I think that's John. Maybe it is. No, it for sure it is because of the use of the word surrealist. Yeah, it's John. Because he thinks it's a surrealist tone poem. If you haven't seen this movie, you might need to die. By the way, thank God we watched it. And then this one also from Letterbox from Chive Onion.
Starting point is 01:10:53 Apparently you can just make a movie. Yeah. Yes. And that's what's so inspiring about it. Yes. I mean, like, shame on us for not doing it. Yeah. 150%.
Starting point is 01:11:07 He said, you know, self-finance. He said he could have retired three times over if he would have just not made the movie. Yeah. Jason, what do you want to plug? Oh, I don't want to plug. I still have things to talk about in this movie. Oh, yeah. Of course.
Starting point is 01:11:22 By the way, I didn't ask the question. How about when they go to her parents' house and they're so, mean to Cindy, right? There's so mean to her, and she's acting like that she was caught smoking. She was caught killing a baby. Her parents are right. She's bad.
Starting point is 01:11:41 Oh, wait. I remember a moment that I want to talk about at the end when they're making the big drug deal. This is a drug deal that's going to change the game. The guy, like, he's like, well, we're going to have a long relationship if you figure out how to get more of this. And then the guy's like, calls his, like,
Starting point is 01:11:56 supplier to say it's good. He goes, You speak English in my house. Why are we taking this stand? How about after Cindy's killed when there's a whole scene that takes place between Huck and Rick where Rick is just hitting a heavy bag? Rick's just like, bam, bam!
Starting point is 01:12:15 And it's so loud. It's as loud in the mix as the chewing sounds. Here's a fun fact about John DeHart. Not a fan of action films. Boy, he would have thought He would have studied them. Maybe that's why some of the connective tissue is missing in this movie. This was meant to be his demo reel that would have launched his acting career
Starting point is 01:12:37 because he was tired of never being cast as a lead. The tub sex scene. They go back to sex twice. They go back to fucking twice. And there is, let me be clear, in that scene, a song that is being sung that has an extensive spoken word portion. of the song. See, I didn't see that.
Starting point is 01:13:00 It's, oh, I saw the shorter version. Oh, you are, you're, oh, it was, you're, I'm missing it. I'm going to go back and leave it. You're worse for it. It's so good. I'll go around the horn here. Do you recommend this movie? 100% yes.
Starting point is 01:13:13 I cannot recommend this enough. This is, if you haven't seen this, but you're listening to the episode, this is in the realm of the Miami Connection. This is in the realm of Burdemic. This is in the high, this is really, one of the greats. This is absolutely phenomenal. Samurai cop, didn't we? Oh, yeah. Absolutely.
Starting point is 01:13:33 That one we recently did that felt very homemade. And Scar isn't Samurai cop. Is he? Yep. Fuck yeah. As Scar? Is he Scar and everything? The Scar reverse? I love the Scarverse. Jess. I'm different. I've changed and I don't know if it's a good thing. I mean, at the end of this tour, how do you feel?
Starting point is 01:13:56 I feel unwell. Will you do a breakdown of this tour on the deep dive? I hate to give men more of a platform than these last five movies have been given. But no, here's the thing. This movie takes you on a journey. You hate that you're watching it, and then you realize that he lives in all of us. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:14:20 Do you know what I mean? And he's braver than any of us have ever been. to put your art out there. I would love you to interview him. What? On the deep dive. Honestly? It would be fantastic.
Starting point is 01:14:34 Bless him. Bless him for taking the risk and giving us all this joy. A true leap of faith. A true leap of faith to put something this personal out there. A hundred percent. And maybe stopping
Starting point is 01:14:45 and maybe stopping a real life satanic cult. We don't know. That I feel like we skated over. That this is based on a true story. We love you, Satan. It's just fucking. I love it. There's nothing more to say more than thank you Michael Weber for recommending this
Starting point is 01:15:04 film, bringing it to Portland. You have been an amazing audience. Give it up for Jason Manzoukis. Jessica St. Clair, I am Paul Shear. Thank you so much for being here. Eat shit, Portland. Eat shit. That's a wrap on our doppelganger tour. A big thank you to Jessica St. Clair as she helped us retitle the doppelganger tour to, yes, the beefcake tour. We had such a great time with Jess, and now June will be back full time, but a big thank you to our tour manager, Beth Thomas, and the amazing staff at the Arlene Schnitzer Concert Hall. Now, our t-shirt for this episode is pretty great. It's John DeHart's face on a quarter with the inscription, Satan, allegedly,
Starting point is 01:15:49 and the quote, here's a quarter by yourself a personality. Just click on the merch link at hd tgm.com and buy this shirt and more you can even get our official how did this get made hats it's all at hdtgm dot com now we're going to hear your thoughts next week on the last looks episode so give me a call at six one nine p a u l ask or just go to our discord at discord dot g slash hd tgm now here's the thing jason's going to be back on last looks we're going to get into a lot of fun stuff um i want to let you know though If you've not gotten your copy of joyful recollections of trauma, right now, it's 50% off at Barnes & Noble in store and online until September 1st. So here's your chance. No more excuses. Go on and get yourself a copy of joyful recollections of trauma and make sure that you are going to the movies
Starting point is 01:16:42 to see June, Diane Rayfield, in Weapons and Freakier Friday, as well as the new season of the Great American Baking show where she will be performing alongside my fellow team sanity member, Casey Wilson. You can watch that on the Roku channel app. Remember, if you listen to us on Apple Podcasts or Spotify, please make sure you are subscribed to our feed and have automatic downloads turned on in the show settings. It helps us, and we appreciate it a lot. And last but not least, I got to thank our entire team for whom the show could not be done without.
Starting point is 01:17:14 I am talking about our producer, Scott Sani, and Molly Reynolds, are our movie picking producer Averallie and our engineer, Casey. Holford. That's all I got. I'll see you next week on Last Looks. Bye for now.

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