How Did This Get Made? - Con Air LIVE! (Re-Release)

Episode Date: January 3, 2025

Seth Grahame-Smith (Beetlejuice Beetlejuice) joins Paul, Jason, and June to discuss the 1997 Nick Cage classic, Con Air. LIVE from Largo in Los Angeles, they cover Nic Cage’s southern accent, John Cusack’s socks with sandals look, June’s love of plane movies, and so much more. Plus, everyone talks about John Malkovich having the greatest villain death of all time during audience Q&As! (Originally Released 04/17/2015) Tix for our Spring 2025 tour in Austin, Denver, Seattle, Boise, San Fran, Portland, & Los Angeles are on sale now at hdtgm.com.Order Paul’s book about his childhood: Joyful Recollections of TraumaFor extra content on Matinee Monday movies, visit Paul's YouTube page: youtube.com/paulscheerTalk bad movies on the HDTGM Discord: discord.gg/hdtgmPaul’s Discord: discord.gg/paulscheerFollow Paul’s movie recs on Letterboxd: letterboxd.com/paulscheer/Check out new HDTGM movie merch over at teepublic.com/stores/hdtgmPaul and Rob Huebel stream live on Twitch every Thursday 8-10pm EST: www.twitch.tv/friendzoneLike good movies too? Subscribe to Unspooled with Paul and Amy Nicholson: listen.earwolf.com/unspooledSubscribe to The Deep Dive with Jessica St. Clair and June Diane Raphael: www.thedeepdiveacademy.com/podcastWhere to find Paul, June, & Jason:@PaulScheer on Instagram & Twitter@Junediane on IG and @MsJuneDiane on TwitterJason is not on social mediaGet access to all the podcasts you love, music channels and radio shows with the SiriusXM App! Get 3 months free using the link: siriusxm.com/hdtgm.

Hello, people of Earth! This week we are taking a holiday hiatus from last looks and instead we are re-releasing the How Did This Get Made classic episode on our favorite guy, Nick Cage. Alright, in a movie that we love to call a feel-good plane film. That's right, it is 1997's Con Air. You'll be hearing us discuss John Malkovich's amazing death scene, Nick Cage's Southern accent, John Cusack's socks with sandals, and so much more.

You know what? Before we even get into the episode, I wanna make sure that you've secured your tickets to see us on the road. This March and April, we're gonna be in Austin, Denver, Boise, Seattle, San Francisco, Portland, and Los Angeles. We are blown away by Denver and Seattle coming out in a major way.

You've been asking for us and you you did it. You got those tickets right away. So we appreciate that. Go to HDTGM.com to check out how did this get made live. You can also see Dinosaur with me and Jason and Nicole Byer and a whole bunch of other great people in San Francisco at SketchFest and at Largo in January. So just go to HDTGM to get all the info that you need to get tickets for all these great shows. But now, while there are no last looks today, I wanted to make sure you could still prep for our next movie because we wanted to start off 2025 with a bang. So next week, please prepare yourself for the

Francis Ford Coppa Passion Project that was over 40 years in the making. I am talking about the 2024 sci-fi drama Megalopolis. That's right, Rotten Tomatoes gives this film a 46% on the tomato meter and Annem Graham from the Detroit News says Megalopolis is an experience more than it's a movie and as an experience it's unforgettable and honestly I agree. You can rent Megalopolis on Apple TV, Amazon Prime and Google Play and remember if you have any corrections on our last episode Bad Boys Ride or Die, you Prime, and Google Play. And remember, if you have any corrections on our last episode, Bad Boys Ride or Die, you know, post them,

because we're gonna be covering both Bad Boys and Megalopolis in our new Last Looks episode. So make sure you submit those corrections and omissions on our Discord at discord.gg slash HDTGM, or leave us a voicemail by calling 619-P-A-U-L-A-S-K. That's all I got, people. So now, without any further ado, enjoy this re-release of Con Air.

It's like an all-star version of the love boat, except with sociopaths, murderers, and serial killers. We saw Con Air, so you know what that means. Remake! I'm gonna take you from the groove all the way to the room Ran the games in street fire to help to blow off steam Just a sucker punched the odd lights with Timothy Green Sharknado to Birdemic, how we stayin' alive They call it in the bad ass, but it's a good one

I'm gonna take you from the groove all the way to the room Ran the games in street fire Fighter hope to blow off steam Just a sucker punch the odd life of Timothy Green Chuck Niddle the birdemic how we stayin alive They call it in the badass and he's on the line Cranking 88 minutes cause they cool as ice Cause a bad Jim Barney looking kind and nice Paul and June getting literal Jason is getting laid June is making sure all the monkey shots getting paid

They judge a bunch of movies while they making the grade Here's a real question for you, how did this get made? Hello, people of Earth! And hello, people of Largo! We are coming to you live from Los Angeles at the Largo. Largo. Largo is an amazing theater. If you're ever out here in LA, come to this theater. They have amazing shows.

I don't care when you're listening to this. Cool shit happens here. Check out their calendar, they're awesome. So we wanna thank them for always giving us such a nice place to do the show. And thank you guys all for coming out. Thank you guys. Yeah, thanks.

I pimped you into an unnecessary applause. Please welcome my cohost to the show, Jason Manzoukas! Whoo! Whoo! Whoo! Whoo! Hey! Heh heh heh.

Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Now, as I told this crowd before, it wouldn't be a live show if we didn't not have the full team here. Uh,

we do not have June in person today, but I would like to welcome June via Skype. ["Skype." inaudible.] So wish I could be there. It's making me crazy. I'm so sorry I'm not there. All right, well, welcome, June. Welcome. Obviously, I know, Paul, you've said this,

but if this doesn't work, like, really feel free to just, like, cut the cord with me. You know, just let me me. Just let me go. Just let me go. I have great news, June. It is working. You can see a little bit of Jason. Oh, that's good. I can see Jason now. We have a very special guest tonight.

You know him as an author, as a super talented writer, Seth Graham Smith. Welcome Seth Graham Smith. Oh my gosh, here we go. This is one of the most visual podcasts we've ever done. Yeah, well one of our members. So much of this is predicated on June. Do you know June that you're on the big screen, right? I'm not,

I'm not totally comfortable with it. This feels insane to not be able to see the audience. It is amazing. It feels completely insane. Con Air! All right, so let me just start off, and I thought about Con Air when we were watching it, remembering back to a How Did This Get Made episode where we had Danny Trejo on the show.

Yes. And- Give it up for Danny Trejo! And I asked Danny, I said, you've worked with all these people. You are like a Hollywood badass. When movies, people don't want to mess with you, they don't want to fuck with you. And Con Air, you were surrounded by a who's who of what I guess people generally think

of the craziest actors in Hollywood, right? You were on this insane, like, loveboat-esque prison ship with them. Who is the craziest guy? And he answered us after a moment of thinking and said, John Cusack. Yes. He said he was most afraid of John Cusack.

Yeah. Which is interesting to me. He said that Joe has been to prison. He said that John Cusack just has something behind the eyes that scared him. This is true. So I just want to put that in perspective. But Con Air, I had to go out and say this is a movie

that when I first saw it, I did not like it. Oh. Yeah. Paul, I'm to go out and say this is a movie that when I first saw it, I did not like it. Oh. Yeah. Paul, I'm gonna disagree with you. Here's the deal. And I thought it before we did the movie, before I watched the movie, because having seen it before,

and I then was reminded, this movie is fucking awesome. This is an awesome movie that should be, we should call this whole night, thank God this got made. Because both of these movies are fucking dope. I think in watching it again, and. And watching again, I feel like I enjoyed my experience of it more. But it's also like drinking like Jaeger. Like it's like in the moment it's like,

Yeah, Jaeger shots. And the next day it's like, Why did I do that? What? Was it really that good? See, I don't know. I mean, I am what? I have legit almost no notes. Because for me, the movie made sense.

It added up. There was nothing that I was like, oh, I got to make a note of that because that's crazy. Nope. I'm like, yes. On board. On board. Nick Cage's accent, on board! On board. On board. Nick Cage's accent, on board! On board. Let's see what our guest, Seth, what was your, coming into this movie, where were you? Well, I hadn't seen it since, what was it, 1997?

So I hadn't seen it since the theater. I don't remember liking it or not, but I watched it a few times in the last few days, and I do have some notes. You have pages of notes. I have pages. For the listeners at home, you have pages of notes. I have pages and pages of single-spaced notes.

I have a lot of notes too. Yeah. Did take them. Just loving this movie. Because I would argue that the one thing the movie doesn't do is make sense. Correct. I think it is enjoyable to a certain degree, but it does not make sense.

It adds up. This movie, top to bottom, T2B guys, this movie adds up. What I love most about the movie is it's, I think I love most its subtlety. The fact that, you know, the movie is its, I think I love most its subtlety. The fact that the characters are real, complex, three-dimensional, living, breathing human beings with hopes and dreams and nuance and certainly not stereotypical. It may be the most racist movie since birth of a nation.

I'm just putting that out there. I'm glad that you brought that up because that is a theme in our on our second opinions. June did you want to say something? Well okay I I just want to talk about where I was coming from just as a viewer. I for a long time I thought this movie was a different movie and I was going around telling everybody I loved this movie, thinking it was... What did I think it was, Paul? I don't remember what you thought it was. I thought this movie was another airplane movie.

The movie Airplane? Not the movie Airplane. Soul Plane. I'm sorry? Naked on a plane. Not Soul Plane. Flight Plan. That's a serious... Not Flight Plan. Soul Plane. Snakes on a plane. Not Soul Plane. Flight Plan. That's a serious...

Not Flight Plan. No? Okay. Well we had a whole discussion about it. Was it President on a plane? Oh Air Force One. Air Force One. But here's what I'm realizing.

You thought Con Air, the movie about convicts on a plane was Air Force One, the movie about Harrison Ford as the president. Yes. Welcome back, June. But you know what I realized, though? Wait, where'd she go? She's there. She's there. She's there. No, she's there.

She's there. We got her. We got her. It's only on audio. It's only on audio. You'll see her. You'll see her. I realized something about myself, which is that I do love a plane movie. I like a movie that takes place in the sky. Because the stakes are so much higher. And you're dealing with the stakes of what's happening...

You understand what I'm saying. What's happening on the plane. Because they're on a plane. But also the stakes... I'm sorry? Because the stakes are so much higher because they're on a plane. That's right. Yeah. June, may I just check in with you and see, what do you think about a boat movie? I'm not interested in it.

Oh. Oh. But for you, some sort of thriller that is set upon a plane really ratchets it up for you. Love it. All right, so now that we've got- Last, can I say one more thing about movies on planes? Yes. We would love nothing more.

Okay, because I think one could feel like it would get claustrophobic to be on the plane the entire time, for the entirety of the movie. And I never feel that way. I never feel that way. All right, can we start? The plane is... I think we... Let's go through the movie a little bit.

And let's talk about some logic, because you said the movie starts and it's... I can't see where you're going. I think we, let's go through the movie a little bit. Yes. And let's talk about some logic because you said the movie starts in it's... I see where you're going. I think it's a mistake. You said the movie starts in it's great. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Well, it starts with kind of like a history channel.

Yep. The army rangers. Yeah. You know, and all of a sudden we meet Cameron Poe. Cameron Poe, who, if for you Bachelor fans, I would hope is a brother of Sanderson Poe. Sorry, the four people. Wow. Why are you guys watching The Bachelor?

Backstage, Paul was like, I've got a Bachelor joke that's gonna crush. Sanderson Poe, come on. Guys, leave me space. Sanderson Poe jokes. Get out of, guys, this Sanderson Poe joke... Get out of the way when I do my bachelor jokes... Guys, get out. ...because it's gonna destroy. How dare you.

People will riot, you said. So, okay, so Cameron Poe gets honorably discharged from the Army Rangers. Yes. And so he goes home to see his baby girl. Can I ask a question though, just before we get into that? It gets honorably discharged from the Army Rangers. Yes. And so he goes home to see his baby girl. Can I ask a question though just before we get into that? Sure.

How old does he seem too old to be? Way too old. Because it was like, here's Nick Cage and I was like, oh no, you're too old. You're too old to be doing this. You don't look like you belong in the Rangers at all right now. That's why he was discharged. He was like, you're pushing 35. He just realized you're prohibitively old.

It was a pre-9-11 army. So different stance. Okay, sorry. You say 9-11 as if it happened. Right. Thank you. Those buildings are still there. You say 9-11, you say 9-11 as if it happened. Right. Thank you. Those buildings are still there. Guys, stop worrying about what happened in this country. Start watching The Bachelor.

So Cameron comes home to see his super hot waitress wife who's been, you know, it's in Mobile, Alabama. Yes. And something interesting, he steps off of a tiny little dinghy fishing boat onto a dock and walks up to the bar where she works. Now does the army send all of its rangers home via tugboat? I thought that was odd because it didn't seem like he was,

that that place was on an island. You could have probably just flown in. You could have flown or driven or yeah, could have come the other way But what here's but here's here's what gets the whole thing started This is what sends Nicolas Cage to jail. Yes and gets the whole thing started within the first three minutes of the movie And I grant you that Jason it it wastes no time It wastes no time. So he goes and this guy It wastes no time. It wastes no time. So he goes and this guy,

an army ranger in uniform, walks into a bar in the deep south and his beautiful girl is there, the waitress there, and what's the first thing that happens? Two rednecks go, fuck you army guy. They hate him.

Right out of nowhere, they hate an army guy. They hate him for his service. Yeah, exactly right. That's what I'm saying. By the way, he's also southern. You know how you know. Flawless accent. Flawless. Flawless.

I will say that in the research of this movie, I will tell you that Nicolas Cage traveled specifically to Alabama to perfect his accent. Well done, Nick. Time well spent. Mission accomplished. I want to even take a, I want to take one step back and go, when he goes to see his smoking hot waitress wife,

Monica Potter. Monica Potter. Who was going to be here tonight. Sadly, Easter plans kicked in. She was going to be our very special guest. So a real bummer there. She was very excited. Joining us is Nicolas Cage!

Um, also via Skype. Um... That would be amazing. So, but to me, the thing that kind of already started this off, he has been away for a while. He comes home, kisses his wife's belly. Her belly is flatter than anything. She's one hour into her pregnancy.

And who got her pregnant? Who got her pregnant? Yeah, because he's just like, hey honey, when did that happen? Well, I mean, I'm sure he had some leave at some point. Guys, you're not going to find holes in this movie. Try as you might, it all adds up. But Monica Potter literally has a six pack. Yes, she is built.

And he leans down, he kisses it and goes something like, Oh baby girl, how's our baby girl? Yeah. He knew everything. And you already know it's a girl, right? And so apparently with one hour into the pregnancy. At least put her in a pregnancy suit. It's only one scene. No way. Guys, this is a Jerry Bruckheimer movie.

There's nobody in a pregnancy suit, okay? These girls are, even if they are seven months pregnant, they are shredded. True. That's a good point. But these, so she is nine months pregnant in that scene. So these two redneck guys at the bar, or two or three redneck guys at the bar, there's three, they see a special forces guy.

Now they've seen this waitress Monica Potter every night at this bar. They know her name. They know her name, they've left her alone, right? But tonight they wait for her special forces, proudly serving this country hero to come back and then they wanna kill him. They hate him and they even go so far as to be like, it's guys like you that are the reason we lost Vietnam.

Right. I was like, these guys, are these like, where are these guys coming from? Like, what is their... That means that they are... Where are they at politically? That means that they think of him as being a weak military guy.

That's right. Because by saying they lost Vietnam, they're like, we want strong military, That means that they think of him as being a weak military guy? Because by saying they lost Vietnam, they're like, we want strong military, but you're a pussy. But you're a pussy. I bet you never flamethrowered a village full of children. You son of a bitch. I'll teach you to come home from war, you asshole. Without a necklace of ears. And, well yeah, so they, go ahead.

So he fucks him up, Nicolas Cage. Like, he walks his pregnant, allegedly, wife out to the car, and these three guys come at him to kill him. In the rain, right? In the rain. In the Mobile Alabama rain. And he kills one of them in self-defense. It's that thing, and it's that thing that I love,

and the pol-the-the police know. The judge says it at his trial. Oh, I have that clip. Oh, yeah. Okay, great. Yeah. But I love, and I love that, like, I feel like Nicolas Cage, like, all they said was, you're a guy who's always so up for justice,

but you're a deadly weapon. I don't know if I have the exact quote, but it's something up for justice, but you're a deadly weapon. I don't know if I have the exact quote, but it's something like... It's something like, you are not subject to the regular laws of the land, because your body is a lethal weapon, a killing machine. Yes, because he is a... Now, that is not something that is true. That's not true.

Being, as it may be, that these men wanted to rape and murder your pregnant wife, you as a Special Forces guy are just too dangerous. You have to withhold. You gotta go to jail. Yeah, you gotta go to jail for seven years. Another thing too, we don't see it in this clip, but- Seven years. Seven years.

Seven years. Did you say that was too long? Yeah. Did you think it was too long? That's way too long. Yeah, it's way too long. Way too long. Did you say that was too long, June? Did you think it was too long? That's way too long. Yeah, it's way too long.

Way too long. It's way too long. So immediately before... If you are not seeing it, June really is taking in the seven years, almost more than Nicolas Cage does. Can I say one thing? Can I say one thing? I also, I know I've expressed a couple

of fears I have. It gets me so upset when people are incarcerated for too long or they're they go to jail and they shouldn't and yeah, seven years is upsetting. It's upsetting. And that's just for a fictional

character. Right. That's right. I mean, imagine, June, like, people in real life. I mean, Cameron... No, believe me, I've watched a lot of Netflix talking there. Cameron Poe is a fictional character. Well, you still do that podcast about maximum minimums, right? Absolutely.

That is just about unjust prison sentences for small amounts of drugs. One of my theories about this movie immediately preceding this courtroom scene in which we learn that he's a deadly weapon and therefore subject to a whole different legal system. Yes. And you would think that it would go the other way saying hey you're an army ranger we know that you wouldn't use force unless it was a situation in which it called for it. But, I want, next time people watch this movie, just the scene before this is Nicolas Cage sitting

in the hallway of the court building with his lawyer. Yes. And his lawyer is like this sweaty, nervous wreck. Yes. Who's not, his shirt is disheveled and his hair is all fucked up. Yes. I think this is really- Get a new wreck. He's like, shirt is disheveled and his hair is all fucked up. I think this is really... Get a new lawyer.

Right? You know you're fucked when your lawyer cannot afford a coat. Oh, and by the way, when your lawyer... When you in self-defense killed someone who was stepping up to you and your pregnant wife, in self-defense, killed someone and he's like, you should take the plea like this. Take the plea. Take the plea. You should, should like I can't handle this it's basically what his lawyer does which is There is something about there's something fantastic about a movie like this that is so

Testosterone driven and so much like, machismo and all this stuff that the lawyer is like, I can't do it. Right. But it's like the lawyer from The Wire, like, you know, it's like that, like, uh, yeah. Maurice Levy? Yeah. But I feel like, wouldn't this movie, just to go out for a second and say, but wouldn't this movie be way more interesting

if he was a bad guy who then is like turned good and then he was tempted by the bad guys again and then like makes the right choice? Like that would at least give- Well, I do hear what you're saying, Paul, because there was a part of me halfway through the movie that thought, I don't think he wants to go home. You don't think he wants-

June, June, can you hear me? I don't. It's Jason, June. Can you hear me? What'd you say, Jason? At what point specifically did you think he doesn't want to go home? Because he... Well, even...

Well, it argues that the whole movie is him saying, I want to go home. I disagree. Continue. I think that even when he says, you know, I refuse to bring my daughter to the jail to see me, I would never want to see her, I would never want to have her see me in jail, it just doesn't see, he's such a martyr that at a certain point you have to ask yourself, does he want a relationship with these people? Well, there's... Yeah.

It's a good point. I think he 100% does. Yeah. Like, he somehow managed, I don't know how, in prison to purchase a stuffed animal. Very... In the plastic bag, as if they sell cigarettes, toys.

Yeah. Yeah, there's not a convenience store in the local quick. I assume even if there is a convenience store or some sort of place where you can buy stuff at the prison, I'm finding it hard to believe that a plastic-wrapped stuffed animal is amongst the choices.

Go June. But can I say one thing? Okay, this goes to what you were saying about the movie sort of glorifying masculinity and it's so testosterone-driven that I actually think, you know, when he does not get off that plane and he stays on it for his fellow man and to be a man, it's in place of actually being a father to a child who needs him. So he does make the decision time and again

to be this valiant hero as opposed to a father and a husband to the people who really need him at home. June, if I can interrupt you. Yeah. Yeah. Thanks, guys. I'm a little fucked up right now because it's almost like you're saying this movie isn't sending the right messages Well, by the way if we're gonna talk about masculinity and how the movie treats masculinity

Right the gay character the gay con. Well, that's a whole... We have a whole topic. I couldn't notice it, but it's essentially... Very respectfully done. His crime was being too gay. A very respectful portrait of homosexuality. To the point of this movie, just as we were talking about this briefly backstage, apparently this movie was rewritten every day on set. And I feel like every actor is like,

yeah, and I'll be this and I'll be that. Jerry Bruckheimer and Don Simpson used to make cocaine-fueled movies. Yes! And Don Simpson's like, no, I'm out on this one. He checked out. He was like, no. And, as such, Bruckheimer had twice as much.

He did die before this was done. Really? Yes, he did die, but this is, he actively said no. So a man who died on the toilet after doing untold numbers of amphetamines and who literally wore a leather race suit to the shoot of Days of Thunder and had himself photographed with Tom Cruise, this movie was too much for that guy. Not in, he was out of that movie. I would argue that I'm assuming that Bruckheimer just then had twice as much coke. And as a result made this movie.

This, cause this movie is in the best way absolutely bonkers. I know that I overuse that but this this is it. And this is it on, like, 10. You know why I think it is, Jason? I know I said it was about, you know, there's something exciting about seeing action in the air, but I think it's also the added element of... You love planes, June. You love planes. I love a plane movie. I do love a plane movie.

Surprisingly, though, tell the audience how you feel about planes in real life. Hate them. But I think that's why. I think we're all scared of planes. I mean, it's crazy that they fly us around and we're just all up there together for that period of time, like, not tethered to the ground. I mean, it's insane.

So you're talking now. But then also combined with that, there's also, I think the movie taps into a real fear of prisons and prison culture and what it is to be like locked up. And the fact that the movie combines those two things together, it's just... It's just incredible. We haven't even gotten to the plane taking off yet. By the way, I do want to ask a genuine question I do not know the answer to. Are there really prison planes like this?

Yes. Yes. Yes. Okay, now we're getting somewhere. Yes. Although, the ones in real life go more than 200 feet in the air and more than 100 miles an hour, which. I was gonna say, this movie, I don't have a map, but the sense that I got is this movie really just circles about 50 miles.

Right. Yeah. Like, they're never too far away, everyone can drive to it. Oh yeah. And then they're never too far away. Everyone can drive to it. Oh, yeah. And then they at the end of the movie choose to like Las Vegas. Oh, my God. They choose to crash into a hotel instead of go to the airport, which is negligently different.

They run out of fuel. Yeah. They goddamn you. It's not even a mile different. Do not do this, man. Do not misrepresent this movie. No, no, no, no, no, no. MC Ganey is doing his best to land this plane.

One of his engines is out. He's out of fuel. He's gotta land it on the street. The Las Vegas International Airport is literally 1.1 mile away from the Hard Rock Casino. Paul, I don't think you're using literally correctly. 1.1 mile. We can't land there. We got to take it down on the strip.

On the strip, arguably the busiest road in America. It's not going to end well. There's desert on either side. Right, right. They've already landed in desert. No, that's the only place. I would like to ask a question. Conservatively, how many people do you think died in the landing of that plane?

Worse than Fast Five when they had that safety tied to the back of that car. What I could only describe as a hilarious level of civilian deaths. Right. Must have happened. This is like Man of Steel level civilian deaths. This is the 9-11 of Las Vegas. Yes. Yes. Where the New York New York casino is hit hard.

Hang on. Stay with me, guys. The government did it. Um... There's so many... I just want to, like, again, I just... Like, if you look at this movie, you could argue that nothing...

Like, nothing, no characters arc in this movie at all. There was no change from the beginning to the end. Nickly's like, I wanna go home. He got home. There was no, like, he just was always a good guy. The bad guys, there's no changes with them. Well, they're just dead at the end.

There's a huge change for, and there is a change for John Cusack. Which is? Well, I mean, I feel like he becomes an action star by the end of the movie. And there is a change for John Cusack. Which is? Well, I mean, I feel like he becomes an action star by the end of the movie. That's not... Oh wait. He does. You mean John Cusack has changed, not his character.

Not Vince Larkin, yeah. The only person... That's exactly right. The only person who I think does change a little bit in an insignificant way is what's Cole Meany. Yeah. Oh, yeah. He goes from being a prick to being like, I guess you're okay. Again, in true Bruckheimer fashion, Cole Meany from Star Trek, Deep Space Mine and Star Trek Next

Generation comes in and is just an asshole from moment one. And he hates John Cusack, who's a US Mars, who we've only, only I know of U.S. Marshals as like badasses. They're not like... I'm sorry, not if you're in the DEA, bro. If you're in the DEA, the U.S. Marshals are basically pussies. I saw the movie.

The first shot of John Cusack in this movie is of his feet, and he is wearing sandals with socks. Oh, I did not put that together. Is that true? That is true. And there is another shot in Las Vegas so he arguably doesn't learn anything either in the movie because at the end of the movie he's still wearing sandals with socks. And he rode the motorcycle with sandals and socks?

He rode the motorcycle and by the way apparently he flies an attack chopper, he knows how to do that. And he was able to drive wherever he got in that car, drove to the airfield in record time. Record time. But no, but Cole Meany thinks from moment one that he's a liberal pussy. At one point he says like, where's Larkin?

Oh, he's probably saving the fucking rainforest. Larkin, who was like, I'm going to where the bad guys are actually going, I have the information, I'm going there. No, I'm going to where the bad guys are actually going. I have the information, I'm going there. No, I'm gonna chase the goddamn Taurus plane with the transponder. And then Colmeany gets distracted and then they're trying to call him

and he's like, yeah, it makes that like, he's probably trying to save the rainforest. No, no, he told you where he's going. You're a terrible listener. What we understand of Larkin, or at least my knowledge of Larkin is, this guy's like- Larkin is John Cusack. Yes He's like I'm taking the world's dangerous prisoners and putting them in a supermax jail

He's not like I'm putting them out on parole like he's it's like yeah, let me he's a for incarceration He's out, but I will say if, if John Cusack didn't see them as human beings on any level, he would never have known to, you know, to really investigate Nicholas Cage's character and find and assume that he would have a chance with him. Like there, there was, he did believe on some level that prisoners can be rehabilitated. No, he didn't. And that they can do the right thing.

He did. No, I don't think so. I think he... I think John Cusack only cared about his plane. John Cusack's thing was that plane was his idea. Tune? Does that make sense? I disagree. I think that John Cusack cares about this plane and he's like don't shoot it down that's my plane.

He only thinks of Nicolas Cage when he realizes, hey I think we have an ally on this plane. I think it's this guy. I think he knows he's got a plane full of maniacs. Yeah because in the beginning he says, Cameron Poe is a nobody. I'm sorry, if he felt though that he had a plane full of maniacs, he would have no problem with that DEA agent having a gun. But he had a problem. I think he was being smart.

He was like, this is a plane full of insaneos. Let me not put a gun in the mix. No, that was the same thing as he was like, and what he said was, it's the same rules as prison. Nobody has guns. You know, like prison guards don't have guns either and by the way the only reason that call me and he puts that DE agent on the plane and he says it in the movie is because it's their last chance to get a confession from Sandino the drug lord before he gets into FBI custody and

Call me and he says and I'll be damned if those FBI bastards are gonna get the credit. So he's putting this guy's life in danger and putting a gun on a plane full of insane-os so that he can get the confession before the fucking FBI bastards get it. So basically, the DEA is just pissed off at everybody. Everybody. You know how after 9-11, they were like,

wow, this is really the 9-11 podcast. They were like, wow, this is really the 9-11 podcast. They were like, ah, none of our intelligence agencies talk to each other. They could have looked at this movie and known that. This movie is an illustration of how little our intelligence services are willing to work with each other.

It is a scathing indictment. It was ahead of its time. Oh, God damn it. I also want to bring up a point. And it took Snowden? We had con air, guys, and it took Snowden? The... The...

This movie... Oh, all right. We're not even in the air. I guess we are, we're getting in the air. The other thing was, they are not putting weapons on the plane, but oddly, the entire belly of the plane is full of weapons. Like, shock full. And at no point does, like, when the prisoners take over the plane, do they go, let's go get that, like chock full. And at no point does, like, when the prisoners take over the plane,

do they go, let's go get that boatload of weapons. At the very end, when they're at Lerner Airfield. At the very end they do. Yeah, they break into the front of the plane and they get all those shotguns, and then Cyrus the virus makes his little Coke can map. Remember, he's like General MacArthur in the Philippines. They do so much in those 10 to 12 minutes.

It is unbelievable, which by the way, 10 to 12 minutes, Ving Rh General MacArthur in the Philippines. They do so much in those 10 to 12 minutes. It is unbelievable, which by the way, 10 to 12 minutes, Ving Rhames gets up to the top and he looks out into the desert and he sees the dust plume of the cars approaching and he goes, they're 10 to 12 minutes away. Like he just fucking eyeballs it. They dig the plane out. They tie ropes around the plane.

They pull the plane out. They find a tractor. They attach it to the plane out, they tie ropes around the plane, they pull the plane out, they find a tractor, they attach it to the plane, they have time to build propane tank bombs, everybody gets it, they do conservatively three days worth of work in those 10 to 12 minutes. And to my point, Cyrus makes a two scale map of the entire airfield. And by the way, the plan was not that intense. He didn't need to make that much of that. He didn't need to make it. He could have just pointed at the thing and been like, right here is where we're going

to do it. He didn't need to assemble any of that. It wasn't like the Back to the Future model where Doc had to show Marty how it all would have to work. And then the cops drive in at like four miles an hour in single file and there's this huge vast desert and they drive through the only bottleneck in the entire, like, for miles. Why? Why? Why? Why would you do it? Why?

You have to know it's a trap. Come on. Still so good though. I'm still... You would think, you would think that frustration would make it... That frustration would make it not fun to watch. In fact, the opposite is true. This is some sort of...

This movie is some sort of perfect elixir. Where everything just is perfect. What if the plane... Like, pulling the plane out of the dirt... I don't think the plane's gonna just take off again either. Like that just didn't seem like, that plane was grounded. No, you're wrong.

I'm an aviation expert. Yeah. And it's fine. It works. It's great. And meanwhile, Steve Buscemi. Oh my God. Well,

I mean this this movie... Garland Green. The Marietta Mangler. With Nick Cage's accent, by the way, when he gets, when Garland Green gets on the plane, and with that accent, he goes, the Marietta Mangler, when he sees him.

So Garland Green goes over to a trailer park somewhere in the desert, and... Well, yeah, the trailer park somewhere in the desert and... Well, yeah, the trailer park that's attached to an abandoned airfield. Like, again, the geography in this movie is like, wait, what? It looks like there's nothing there.

Hey, guys, some people in America, you know what? They're down on their luck. They're having a hard time. They live near an abandoned airplane graveyard slash small plane strip. They let their kids hang out in empty pools. And if a plane crashes next door, nobody notices. No one leaves their trailer when they gilly...

the arguably the biggest thing that's ever happened. I will just say this, and I will say it again, five stars. But okay, so here's a serious question, because honestly the film never resolves this issue, which I find disturbing too. I bet it does. Well, so this little girl is playing, and she's out there in the abandoned pool,

and she is filthy, and her playground is filthy. I wrote that she looks like somebody out of the depression. Right. Like literally like she is out of the dust bowl. Straight up, yes. Straight up the Kenzian orphan. Because here's what's weird, sorry to interrupt, but in terms of her look, she does look like she was put together at one point.

Like she looks like she got dressed up 50 years ago. Right. It's very strange. Do you think she's a ghost? I don't know. I found this interaction to be very compelling. Oh it's compelling. It's absolutely compelling. And by the way, this was a more believable love story than Nicolas Cage and Monica Potter. But wait, but here's the thing. I don't know what he's really even guilty of.

Like he's wearing the Hannibal Lecter get up. He murdered, he massacred 30 people they say. Right, but it seems like, and as he tells us, he wore one person's head as a hat. Yes, for three states. For three states. That seems uncomfortable. Do you know how hard it would be

to wear someone's head as a hat? Even the balancing of it would be a difficult proposition. It would be heavy. You would need something as a chin strap, I think. Maybe a tongue. And where would you tie, or maybe their hair? Yeah. If it was a woman who had long hair, you could use her hair to tie it under your chin, maybe.

If you had the appropriate amount of scrunchies, you could do it. If it's a guy's head, good luck. What, you're like jauntily putting it on top of your head? Unless he killed like a night, like an 80s metal band or something. If he killed a member of Poison, that hair would work too. Yeah, no, you're probably right. Alright, so go ahead. So he meets this girl in the pool.

He meets this girl in the pool, the little girl, and they start singing together, right? Yes. The whole world in his hands. And we're obviously meant to think something terrible and ominous happens because we cut back and there's a broken teacup and her doll is there alone and she's nowhere to be seen. And yet, and yet, when the plane finally takes off,

they cut to the little girl running out of her trailer, waving goodbye, goodbye to the airplane. She says goodbye Bob. That's his name. He was like, you know what? I'm not gonna tell this little girl my real name. I'll just tell her my name is Bob. I just wanna say the last thing about Garland Green

is if there's any doubt about where this film's morals are and what the message is, Garland Green is the only person in the film who truly gets off scott-free and who's truly way better off at the end of the movie. Well true, but he's the most dangerous he would argue. Exactly! Or he's not because he is the one that we see, he's the only criminal we see not engage in his criminal behavior. He doesn't.

Maybe he was wrongly accused. No, he was, I don't think. No, he admitted to that. I don't know. Dude, he admitted, he admitted, he admitted to wearing a person's head on his own head. He was not in there under false pretense. June!

I don't know. I haven't seen. I don't know anything about those cases. June does not know anything about the cases. You can go through the case files, June. I'm pretty sure. Oh my God. That is unbelievable. That he was wrongfully accused is like, I would love to see that.

Also self-defense. He just happened to cut somebody's head off and wear it with a hat. Yeah. Because here's the weird thing. I will say this. Like Robert Durst. No, but it's interesting because he does not kill that little girl.

And if he's that much of a serial murderer, it would seem that he would need to kill her more than he would need to get back on that plane. Well, I think this is my conjecture, is that he is, because he says, I mean, he does say something that, he has that whole riff about those that killed, like Bundy and Gacy killed for the thrill of killing. The thrill of it. Some of, but other people kill

only when they are pushed to kill or whatever. And that is like Robert Durst, you know, like somebody says in that, the same thing. When pushed to a corner, I think Robert Durst is capable of murder. I think he didn't kill that little girl because that's not his deal, man. He doesn't-

Then why have that scene in the movie? To make you afraid he's gonna. And then it's like, oh, he didn't. What a sweetheart. But if he was given his deal, whatever that was, like 80s punk rock, or rock bands, and he was in a situation, would he have then killed, like if it was the person, it's his deal?

I don't know. Maybe. The one thing I can say... That person is freaking out. Are you okay? We have so much, I mean we do have so much to talk about. Oh man, I want to talk so much more about this movie! I would roll right through the next show just talking about this movie. We barely got your service.

Guys, shut up. We can't do that. Can we talk about really quick, can we talk about the reason that Cameron Poe does stay on the plane, which is Baby-O, played by McKelty Williamson, right? Who we know famously as Bubba Gump, or Bubba Bubba Bubba Blue.

Yeah, I didn't even know his last name. Bubba, the guy who likes shrimp. The guy who launched 1,000 Bubba Gump restaurants. Right. So, uh, so they meet in prison. They're cellmates in prison, and they bond over, uh, Nick Cage gives him a, like, a ho-ho or a snow, uh, snowball? Snowball. And then we learn, and he, like, takes it, and-ho or a snow, a snowball, snowball.

And then we learn, and he like takes it, and they're like, we're friends now. And... And he like runs the library? And he runs the library, but then we learn he's diabetic. Oh, wow. Oh, wow. Wow.

That just blew my mind. He essentially almost killed him. Almost killed him. And then maybe that's why he has to stay on. He has to save his life. So that's what I'm saying. I also want to point out the fact that- And why was he even on that plane? Because they were both getting-

They were moving him. They were moving him. But to me, the logic of this was weird. It was like, we're taking the most dangerous criminals and putting them in a supermax jail, but then we'll also take this guy who only seemed to live, like, not that far away. Uh, like, we're gonna put you on the plane.

I would have thought, I mean, if what you're saying, Paul, appears to be that, because they're moving them to a brand-new prison that they built. So they're saying, this prison is all of the most dangerous, the most deadly, the guys who have nicknames, and this guy, and this guy over here, and the guy that murdered all these people, and, um, this guy, too.

Like, and Nicolas Cage, his roommate, Nicolas Cage and his roommate are meaningless to the plain. They don't need, they're barely, but what is that prison? Is it just going to be, like, hundreds and hundreds of the deadliest and then baby-o? Right.

That's what I was saying! Just him? That's what didn't make any sense! Perfectly nice guy! But every prison needs a library. Yeah. He was brought in as a librarian in residence. I have one question though.

The other question too is why not just make a couple of trips? Right. Well yeah, this plane was making layovers. Oh, there were stops. Right. There were stops. And again, Nicholas, oh yeah, I'm trying to think, he, when that plane does do the layover,

he wasn't even getting out there. No, he wasn't. That was in Carson City, where they loaded on Garland. He doesn't really want to go. He doesn't want to go home. Well, so they, but he couldn't leave Fabio. He can't leave a go home. Well, but they, so they, but he couldn't leave Fabio. He can't leave a man behind.

He can't leave a man behind. That's the Ranger Creed. Oh yeah, forgot about that. Which actually, I don't know if that's the Ranger Creed. But that perfect, that like, weirdly perfect sandstorm that's going on, which we don't even need to get into. Which is great, he goes,

oh, there's a sandstorm that is perfect. Right. Well, again, landing a plane in a sandstorm seems, I would say, unadvisable. Right. And hard. For MC Ganey, who appears to have a hard time landing any other time but in a sandstorm.

Right. The hardest thing, he's like, whoop, whoop, whoom. He's a very capable pilot. Yeah. But when it was in that airfield, that was a big mess. But I just also want to point out, this is... Mceltie Williamson Bubba, when he gets shot, right? There is a scene where he lay dying

in Nicolas Cage's arms. That is almost exactly the same scene that he has with Tom Hanks in Forrest Gump. It is him literally going like, I don't think I'm gonna make it. And literally the second time in three years that he has had to die in the arms of a feeble-minded Southern man.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There's also a thing that he says in that he goes, out of nowhere this religious component comes into the movie in that one moment when he's dying in Nick Cage's arms, he goes, he goes, all I can think about is that there is no God.

Out of nowhere. And then Nick Cage goes, he stands up and he goes, where are you going? He goes, I'm going to show you that there is a God. And then he fights his way he stands up and he goes, where you going? He goes, I'm gonna show you that there is a God. And then he fights his way to the front of the plane like effortlessly, he gets shot. He gets shot, he doesn't flinch.

It doesn't flinch. Like, it didn't even bother him. Do you know why? Because God is on his side. Correct. Because he was right. This movie proves the existence of God. Can there be any other answer?

I also, can we just, I wanna talk about the score for a second too, which, and length of it, which was like, the fight scenes are not, like the score that you would think of like an action fight scene, it's not that, it's kind of like this slow kind of electric guitar that seems to be as if a person, they're like, yeah, just score it and we'll put it in later.

You don't need to see the movie. It doesn't match at all. Noodle around on a guitar as a temp track, we'll put it in. Ooh, we accidentally put the movie out. Yeah, because it's like, it's like the, um, the way I thought of it was like, and I know it's an obscure reference, but like in Lethal Weapon, in the in-between scenes when like Merton Rigor talking, they're like,

Bwuh-nyeh, oobah-bubah-bubah. Clapton. Clapton. Yeah, like that Clapton stuff, that's going on during like, Bwuh-bub that's going on during like... Bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam. Like, it's not fitting at all. It's a way to relax. You say that, except it fits perfectly into what is arguably one of the greatest movies ever made. Let's, we're going to be able to keep on talking about it, but let's go out to the audience

here. And the audience, I'm sure, will have some questions. Because we need to give them some answers. And tonight, it's going to be a little bit of a long talk. So, we're going to be talking about the movie, and we're going to be talking about the movie, and we're going to be talking about the movie, and we're going to be talking about the movie, and we're going to be talking about the movie, and we're going to be talking about the movie, and we're going to be talking about the movie, and we're going to be talking about the movie,

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because we need to give them some answers. And tonight, if you have a good question, you will get a toy from our friends at Mezco Toys. Mezco Toys. Woo! Woo! Gave us some toys. That box is heavy, so I'm gonna have to run back

and get you some toys. All right. Oh, great. June is now looking at the audience. All right, and the audience is waving to June. All right, here we go. All right, here's a question. Who has a question?

Yeah, right here. Your name, a tagline that you would give this movie, and your question. Here we go. My name's Holly. The tagline is the greatest movie in history. That's fucking rightline that you would give this movie in your question. Here we go. My name's Holly. The tagline is the greatest movie in history. That's fucking right on it is.

That's right. And I actually have two comments. Two. Two. One is am I supposed to find Nick Cage attractive in this movie? Because there's a lot of shots that tell me I'm supposed to but don't. June, could you hear that? I couldn't hear the last part. I'm sorry. I only heard am I supposed to find but I don't. June, could you hear that?

I couldn't hear the last part. I'm sorry. I only heard, am I supposed to find Nick Cage attractive? That's it. So, it are you. That's it. What do you think, June? I don't think so. Strong disagree. He is the hunkiest of hunks.

You know how I know? Tank top muscles hair. T.M.H. guys. T.M.H. Okay, your second comment. My second comment is, and I'm not a physics person, but I'm fairly certain you wouldn't be able to read the message on Dave Chappelle's shirt when he hit the car. Very good point.

In this movie, we have jumped out of a big plot point. They drop Dave Chappelle out of the airplane. But before they do- He's dead, he's dead already. He's dead. But before they do, they write a magic marker on his chest and then let him go thousands of feet. Oh no, if that happened in real life, he would legitimately explode into tiny bits.

He would like explode like a water balloon. I saw someone, I was in New York City when someone jumped off the Harley Davidson Cafe and that was maybe like... Legitimate though. If I was at the Harley Davidson Cafe, I'd be like, I don't know why I'm here. I got one way out. Yeah, you're right. They were able to read. They read his lettering similarly to, like, in Die Hard,

where they write on the guy's chest. But this guy dropped from 5,000. I'd also like to take this opportunity to point out... All right, here we go., got another question out here. Ma'am, your name, your slogan or tagline for the film, and your question. Okay, my name is Daphne. My tagline would be, before Angry Birds, Con Air.

I like that. I like that, yeah. Okay, my question is when they introduce John Malkovich aka Cyrus the virus they say he's 39 and he spent 25 years in prison which means he would have had to gone to jail when he was 14. He, no they said he has spent 25 of them in our prisons. So on and off, on and off, on and off, I think. Yeah, but then he would have had time off. And so what, he went to jail when he was three for having the Arabian side of the cookbook?

I mean, yeah. Yeah, Daphne. Like, you say that like it's impossible, but he's the bad guy Doi John Malkovich would refuse to do press for this movie Because he did not know what his character was doing or what his character ended up doing Based on what he shot That's rude yes He shot. But, is that true?

Yes. Yes. John Maltham, it's- So the idea that you could do an entire movie and be like, I don't know what my character was doing, I don't know what my character did, I don't know what has happened in this movie, when you are one of the main people, that's amazing.

He has though, I will give him this, he has... I don't think this is up for debate, maybe the... No, the greatest villain death of all time in this movie. It's a pretty good one. And it's a four parter. It's a four parter. Oh yeah, let's talk about it. One, by the end he's up on a ladder, he's been handcuffed to a ladder on a moving ladder truck.

Because after there are airplane chases, helicopter chases, car chases, dump truck chases, there's a fire truck chase. Correct. Oh, and by the way, they get off the strip and into a very industrial facility. What did you think that was? James Bond movie, too, that we did also had a fire truck chase, right?

Yes, it did. The why question, why not just get into the sort of car part of the firetruck? Why was he hanging off the ladder? Unclear. Yeah. I would argue, because it's cooler. It is cooler, yeah. You know, like, I'm the cool guy,

so I'm not gonna ride up front with MC Ganey. Yeah. It's the same reason he doesn't spend a lot of time in the cockpit of the plane. It's for dorks. It's like Teen Wolf. When he's driving that van, he's got to surf on the top. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, no, when you're the cool dude, you don't ride in the cab or the cockpit. You ride either atop or in the back of whatever... vehicle. So, yeah, he did have a four-part the back of whatever vehicle. So yeah, he did have a four part death, which then ends. Yeah, go ahead Seth. Well, yeah, so my recollection is he gets,

he's on the ladder, the ladder drives through some kind of in-between casino land bridge and he's thrown through the structure. Then he lands on somehow, inexplicably, power wires. Yes. And he's fried, but then he lands, comes down offably power wires yes and he's he's fried but then he lands comes down off the power wires and lands on a conveyor belt in an abandoned construction site in which all the machinery is still going yes this is

this is within throwing distance of the strip of the strip correct and then there's one of those like earth flattening giant hydraulic hammers. So he slowly rolls off the conveyor, then is dumped in a pile of rocks, then looks around like, what's going on? And looks up and then he gets flattened. But it is, I mean, it's truly, but the testament to this movie is, and by the way, that fire truck crashes because an armored car stalls. For no reason in the middle of the strip

at precisely the right time. It's a testament to the logic of this movie that you're like, oh, that could happen. Oh yeah. Well, that's what I'm saying. When I watched this movie again, I was like, I enjoyed this. And then I'm like, wait, what did I just watch?

And none of it holds up. Except it all holds up. Is that, you seem like you're standing here. All right, who has a good question? Well, let's only take one question. You, sir, come over here. One question, one question. Yeah, come on, here we go. Oh, you got a notebook. Good, I picked the right person.

Sir, your name, your tagline for this movie, and your question. My name is Justin. Welcome, Justin. Thank you. The tagline's actually my friend's idea. It's Nicholas Uncaged. Ooh, like that. Really like that one. That works really well. I was wondering, you guys touched on it earlier, could you argue that Steve Buscemi's character with the little

girl, that little girl was actually a figment of his imagination? She doesn't interact with anyone. I mean, I pray to God that she was. No. Well, no, because the figment wouldn't wave goodbye. She has her own shot. Yeah. She has a shot where she exists alone in the shot, so I don't think that would work. But you could also argue the filmmaking of this movie would not pay attention to that kind of logic.

True. So it's open to interpretation that this could have been a ghost. Or a figment of his magic. Yeah. I mean you could argue the whole movie could be... Wow. Okay. Let's unravel this. The whole movie could exist in the head of an autistic kid. Which is Nicholas Cage's daughter. Correct. Which we don't know. No, absolutely. Who then gets a little bit older and... Which is Nicholas Cage's daughter correct which we don't know no absolutely

Who then gets a little bit older and oh no it was a little no no it was saying elsewhere, but yes But but in jail Nicholas Cage is trading letters with Casey yep And he says I can't wait to get home and do all the things that we love doing together again They haven't done anything together. Wait, does he say that? Yes. Yes. And Casey, Casey is writing full on letters. This could be a Jacob's Ladder movie. He might get killed by the three thugs

at the beginning of the movie in the rainstorm. 100% what happens. And the whole movie is the last moment of his life. Yeah. Wow. Imagining the hero's journey that he might've gone on. I just wanna just call out, before we move on to the next question, I just wanna call out that Casey at the end of the movie,

there is a shot, and please go and watch this. She is terrified. Terrified. Yes. She is terrified of Nicolas Cage. Why? Because he looks, he's covered in blood. He's a maniac. He's covered in blood. He's a maniac.

He's covered in blood. He looks like he just has killed a lot of people, which is what he's done. And he also like goes to grab at her pretty, does he grab at her right away or is that maybe the- No, he tries to give her the bunny that he fished out of the sewer. Yeah.

Yes. The bunny went down a sewer drain. And he's like, I got this for you. Yeah. Paul. Yes. Sorry, I'm having trouble hearing now. I think I should sign off.

Bye, June. I hope this was okay, bye. Can we talk about the drug dealer's death scene with Psy? Oh yeah! Remember this? There are two awesome lines in this movie I just want to acknowledge really quickly. One is he goes, Psy! And Malcolm is goes, Anara.

He says it so quick that it makes me feel like he's done it a lot. Like that. Like Cyrus the Virus is like, this is my thing when I kill people, I go onara. The drug dealer is in the middle of saying Cyrus. Yeah. But he only gets the first bit of Cy

and Malkovich completes it with onara. Yeah. And then throws a cigarette that ignites the drug dealer aflame. The other thing, and that's Sindino's death by the way, Sindino, the drug dealer. My other favorite bit of dialogue in this whole movie is also in relation to Sindino's character and it's the most incredible line of expository dialogue and it's spoken by Nicolas Cage.

And he goes, he's saying to Cyrus Cyrus how well do you know this Sandino I don't know him that well myself just what I read like how he firebombed that senators yacht with two of his own cousins aboard that's the line and it's so incredibly specific like we're supposed to believe this dude is hardcore because he firebombed the senators yacht with two of his own I want to see that movie and this, this movie was not nominated for an Academy Award for best paint plan. That's right. But it was for best song, for best song it was.

Thank God. Which we'll play that video. I will also say this, I feel like there is a knowledge of all these criminals and all of them had nicknames. As a person who I feel like I'm illiterate to the news, I don't know that many criminals with that many nicknames. I feel like that was a lot of, uh... Chemical Olly. LAUGHTER

Chemical Olly, that's all I got. Like, even Robert Durst doesn't have, like... Ooh, let's come up with one. The Jinx! The Jinx! The Jinx. Should we call him? Now he is. He's called The Jinx? That's like a super villain. Blinky. Blinky. He is Blinky. Um, all right. Blinky, Blinky, he's Blinky.

All right, your name, your. But I would like it if we gave our cultural villains more nicknames, I think that's a really good point. Like Pimball. Okay, yes, Dave Chappelle's character. Your name, your tagline, and your question. My name is Julie, the tagline would be Con-hair, for that mullet, obviously.

My question is, when they show the little hanger where Sandino is hidden in the plane, where he's hiding it, they zoom in on a box, they open the box, and it has onions and chicken feet in it. But nobody ever addresses it. It's like some sort of weird symbolism. Oh, it's because the box is a first aid kit. It's a first aid kit, and he's looking for the needle,

so he's like, oh, yeah, first aid kit. He opens it, and it's onions and whatnot. Which looking for the needle. So he's like, oh yeah, first aid kit. He opens it and it's onions and whatnot. Which I love, the set dresser's like, what can we put in here that's not, that's better than empty? Yeah. And by the way, they just pulled out, like some witchcraft is going on there.

I feel it full of stuff for Santeria. Yeah. Stuff for Santaria. Ha ha ha ha! Ha ha ha ha! Ha ha ha ha! And by the way, finding that syringe, I mean that was a great journey too. Oh yeah. Here you go, your question.

Your name, your tagline, your question. My name is Cole. The tagline would be what man's mullet will do to get home. Yeah. Ooh. Not without my mullet. do to get home? Yeah. Ooh. Not without my mullet. Okay, get home without it. My question is, Buscemi's character gives like this little monologue

of like, am I any more crazy than a man who works nine to five, so I guess I'm saying, is that the writers is using Buscemi as like a mouthpiece to say that a man who simply sits behind a desk from nine to five is the equivalent to a Charlie Manson, Ted Bundy type killer? That's a good question. I mean, it's a real existential quandary that he gives to us in that moment by saying,

what is real insanity? You know, the mass murderer or the office corporate drones? True. I think this movie gets that point across better than Fight Club did. Yeah. Yep. Better than wanted. Clearly, we had opinions about this movie, but there are other people out there

with different opinions. It's now time for second opinions. Whoo! Okay. These are second opinions. I feel like we've been talking about this movie for a very long time. We haven't even...

There's giant areas that we haven't even gotten into. These are second opinions from Conair. This review, I hesitated reading because it pays off kind of at the end, but it's called Beautiful Men All Around. And it just says, the action is fantastic, the casting is perfect, the love is just plain cute. Nicholas Cage has class

and a great ability to show emotion. John Malkovich is just so damn cool. He plays the intelligent guy who makes everyone else feel stupid. He's scary, but laid back. John Cusack is beautiful. The way he spends the entire film looking out for Cage is really cute.

All the men in this movie are hot, and they are fantastic actors. Everyone needs to see this cute film. I feel like that was written by, a 13 year old. I did think it was, those sentiments are not wrong. It is a very cute movie. Okay well here we go. This is, alright so this addresses something that we've talked about here. Um, okay. For all of you who say it's racist, well, fine, go ahead. I'm not gonna slam you for your opinion.

So don't slam me for mine when I say this is the greatest movie. If you didn't like it, don't share it with me, because there are millions of people who did like it, and I'm not gonna slam your favorite movie because I didn't like this, all right? This movie also is not about glamorizing criminals, not at all.

They all got caught in the end, didn't they? So what if their sociopaths are likable? They are not real, right? So this review has successfully discerned this wasn't a documentary. Yeah. Some kids might think that they are, but then again, those kids shouldn't be watching this movie.

People still like computer games and Nintendo, and hey, James Bond even throws a few funny kills. So stop bad-mouthing my movie. If you don't like it, so what? Don't criticize us, who did? Which is followed by... this guy. This is a great movie.

It says, quit the special effects. I think he means quite the special effects. Anyone who thinks that this movie is racist seriously needs to wake up. I could argue the film was racist against whites because there are more white criminals than black criminals on the plane. seriously needs to wake up. I could argue the film was racist against whites because there are more white criminals than black criminals on the plane.

But I don't. ["The Fugitive is a Fugitive"] ["The Fugitive is a Fugitive"] Wow. Signed the Ferguson Chief of Police. ["The Fugitive is a Fugitive"] ["The Fugitive is a Fugitive"] And then this one is pretty great. This one is very passionate.

This movie is fiction. Again, people seem to have trouble with this. They need to assert online. I understand where this falls on the line between fiction and nonfiction. I am so tired of people who become omniscient after they've seen the movie, and they claim it's so predictable. All right, in the boneyard,

you have the convict's plane that's mixed in the sand, the drugs cartel's jet hidden in the hanger, CUSAC has arrived, and the FBI is arriving in the distance in a cloud of dust. If I stopped the movie at that point and asked you what was gonna happen next, I would've gotten a zillion different answers. And none of them would've been right.

I... Oh, man, I love statistics. I knew Buscemi was gonna slice and dice that girl in the boneyard, but guess what? It didn't happen. For you guys who don't like action movies or violence, don't watch it, don't rate it. I'm not gonna click over to Weathering Heights

and rate it low because it's a predictable love story that lacked any semblance of action. But I mean there's plenty of action Heathcliff and Cathy out in the North. I mean come on guys. So that is some five star reviews. Oh my gosh so there's some five stars. I think when a lot of your reviews start with, people say this movie's racist. That was a very big theme. One thing just to note, that this girl's from the copy place from Friends.

Oh fuck, Ginny. Ginny, if you recognize her, she's Cusacks number two, but doesn't really do much in the movie. Disappears. Who is she? She's just a girl. She's Angela Featherstone is the actress. As I looked it up, because I was like, this poor girl,

there is a cut of this movie somewhere where she has, I'm sure, like a whole plot. But they set her up. It's her silence of the lambs where she's already fostered. She's just, anyway. Yeah, so you might recognize her from Friends. Now- Wait, who was she on Friends?

From the copy place? Oh, I don't remember. All right. So- Friends, the TV show? Yeah, and the play. Cool. Is there anything that we didn't cover that's worthy of covering here in the last couple of minutes?

I think we know very clearly what we think about the movie, but anything that we haven't talked about that's worthy of mentioning? I loved when the cops find all of the plane schematics Oh yeah. And all of that stuff in Malkovich's jail cell. Yes. Because it's not just a few little things. It is a volume of stuff hidden in a legitimate crawl space

in a cement jail that is like so that he's down there. There's journals, there's drugs. Well, to me, how is he getting stuff in and out of there because it looks like he could put up a brick every time? In and out of there because it looked like he had to put up a brick every time. And a lot of bugs. Right, he made a brick out of powder too. He made a perfect replica of the brick out of powder. But every time he would have to go in there,

he'd have to make another one of those bricks. Oh yeah. Because you broke it. My question is- And there appears to be a camera looking right at that spot. Because they're upstairs looking at the camera and they're like, hey chief,

you should come down here and look at this. So you're telling me this thing you just found has a camera that's pointing right at it and none of you dum-dums have ever looked at it and been like, what's he doing down there? He seems to be doing something. And why does he have a trowel? Why does he have...

He's been praying for a long time. He's doing a lot of mason work. And those cops got it for being nosy. He had a little thing that said, by the way, he constructed A liquid bomb. A liquid bomb. In like an Altoids tin.

That was the crazy, like that was a lot of shit to get in there. Oh yeah, cause he's fucking awesome. Seth, anything that we haven't talked about that you wanna talk about? I still don't like this movie. I mean, no, that's not fair. No, I think it's watchable.

I feel like it's watchable, but I agree with you. I don't think it's good. It's not on the level of The Rock. I feel like this is where it all goes south for Nick Cage if you look at the history of Nick Cage. Because you look at him up to this point, at this point, he's just made The Rock. This is right after The Rock. He's won the Academy Award for leaving Las Vegas.

He's proven that he's an incredible comedic actor in Raising Arizona, brilliant. Moonstruck. Moonstruck. Peggy Sue got married. He's worked with all the best filmmakers. He's on the... And if... I don't know, like that crazy, Nick Cage, like inexplicable craziness, I feel like you could trace it all back to this movie. Well, here's a fact that, worthy for the next show we're gonna do, the day he finished this, he went to the set of Face Off.

Really? He did these two movies back, literally, like not even 12 hours passed between one to the other. And I think it was the fueling of let's go. Like it, yeah. It works. This movie, I feel about this movie akin to how I feel about Crank or Fast and Furious movies.

I think this is, I just enjoyed this movie for the nonsense that it is. How many people here love the movie? And I don't think hate is the right thing, but how many people did not love the movie? The opposite of it. Oh, interesting, 50-50. I don't hate the movie yeah I just

it didn't get me in the same way that the Rock gets me the Rock is great you know I feel like and I feel bad boys gets mad a little whole different I just I get that I'm fully in all the fast you guys are all in for Michael Bay but Simon West you're like I don't think yeah I don't know I mean there's something I think there is something missing from this movie that those movies have like I don't know what it is it's Michael Bay yeah maybe it's Michael Bay yeah maybe the only one who's come close to Michael a Michael Bay experience knock wood well first of all I can say the fast furious movies I think that has that same right

and then this James Wan with this new fast seven I love those movies yeah they're great I think that this one for energy. And then there's James Wan with his new Fast 7. I love those movies. Yeah, they're great. I think that this one, for whatever reason, it just doesn't feel like it all clicks. Although the cast is awesome, and I would love to see a remake of it. I'm all, yeah, oh, Prison Plane, please, come on. This is amazing.

One interesting fact about this movie, it's called Con Air, but in France, con means vagina. They had to change that. Ladies. And it did not win the Academy Award. They really did destroy the Sands Hotel. And John Cusack refuses to answer any questions about this movie. Something there. That, that's amazing, too.

So before we go, let's just talk. Seth, you're doing the coolest shit right now, I feel like. You have so much cool stuff going on. Tell us a little bit of what we can look forward to. So in fact, you have a brand new... You have a book out? You do have everything? Yeah, still writing books. The Pride and Prejudice and Zombies movie

comes out in February, so I'm excited about that. Woo! Right now I'm busy writing the Lego Batman movie, which comes out. Amazing. And then it looks like this summer I'm gonna be in New York producing Stephen King's It. Fucking cool, isn't it? For Nuon, with the director of True Detective, in New York producing Stephen King's It. Uh, per new on. How fucking cool is that? With the, uh, with the director of True Detective,

Cary Fukunaga, directing the movie. That is gonna be amazing. That's awesome. So you have the best plugs that we've ever had on this show. And Matthew McConaughey is the clown, right? Don't make me do a version of that voice. And do it like... We all float down here.

No. See, I knew it was bad before it came out, but I had to do it. Still worked. I had to do it. Was that... Did you get to work with Stephen King at all, or do you... No, I've done two Stephen King projects.

I did a TV pilot that didn't go that was based on one of his short stories, and now we're doing this as a two-parter, two movies for it. But I have not yet had the pleasure, I'm hoping to, because, you know, I grew up worshipping the guy. I'm kind of afraid, though, because it's one of those people that you put so much stock in their opinion and in their talent.

Like, if that guy turned to me and goes, you know, you're kind of a dick, I would have to kill myself. I also feel like he would tell you. Yeah, he would tell you. He seems to me to be the kind of guy who's like, oh no, I tell it like it is. Yeah.

I don't like it. I will say, I grew up with Stephen King. I love Stephen King. But every now and then when I read those EW, like what I like, I'm like, really, I don't know all the time, but we'll see. So I'm afraid. Yeah, you should be.

You should never meet anyone that you- No, I'm never gonna meet anybody. Yeah. All right, so Jason, what would you like to plug? Oh, boy. Well, obviously, your community was getting a lot of... Oh, yeah, my community, yeah, community. This season is airing on Yahoo, and I was just in an episode that came out last week. So search that out.

I don't know. Kroll Show just wrapped up. If you haven't watched that, please watch that. Just a fantastic season of comedy. I don't know. All right, great. I'll plug- The How Did This Get Made podcast on the GearWolf Network. Yeah, that's good. That's always good. Yeah, check that out. Check out How Did This Get Made. You can check out Fresh Off the Boat, which is a show that I am on, which is a super funny show.

And I want to give a big thanks to everybody here that's helping us out. Nate Kylee, Avril Halle, July Diaz. We have brand new How'd This Get Made t-shirts. They're based on No Holds Barred. Check that out. Thank you guys so much! Thank you Seth! Good night!