How Did This Get Made? - Daredevil w/ Ed Brubaker (Classic)

Episode Date: June 2, 2026

We're talkin' 2003's Daredevil starring Ben Affleck, and here to help Paul, June, and Jason break it all down is writer and Daredevil expert Ed Brubaker. They discuss the playground fight/dance scene, the many times Matt Murdock mentions he's blind, the streets that look like a sitcom set, Coolio's subplot in the director's cut, and so much more. (Ep. #75 Originally Released 11/05/2013) • Go to hdtgm.com for tour dates, merch, FAQs, and more• Leave us a voicemail at speakpipe.com/hdtgm• Submit your Last Looks theme song to us here• Join the HDTGM conversation on Discord: discord.gg/hdtgm• Buy merch at howdidthisgetmade.dashery.com/• Order Paul’s book about his childhood: Joyful Recollections of Trauma• Shop our new hat collection at podswag.com• Paul’s Discord: discord.gg/paulscheer• Paul’s YouTube page: youtube.com/paulscheer• Follow Paul on Letterboxd: letterboxd.com/paulscheer• Subscribe to Enter The Dark Web w/ Paul & Rob Huebel: youtube.com/@enterthedarkweb• Listen to Unspooled with Paul & Amy Nicholson: unspooledpodcast.com• Listen to The Deep Dive with June & Jessica St. Clair: thedeepdiveacademy.com/podcast• Instagram: @hdtgm, @paulscheer, & @junediane• Twitter: @hdtgm, @paulscheer, & msjunediane  • Jason is not on social media• Episode transcripts available at how-did-this-get-made.simplecast.com/episodesGet access to all the podcasts you love, music channels and radio shows with the SiriusXM App! Get 3 months free using the link: siriusxm.com/hdtgm Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Now I want to talk to you about a man who knows no fear of plot, story, or compelling characters. We saw Daredevil, so you know what that means. Now it's time for how to discriminate. We're going to have a good time, celebrate some failure, not just need a hater, because you know you wonder, how did this campaign? Let's follow in the mediocrity of subpar art. Perhaps we'll find the answer to the question, how did this get? Hello, people of Earth, and welcome to How Did This Get Made?

I am Paul Shear, joined as always by my two co-host, Jason Manzoukas. How are you, Jason? I'm good, Paul. And June, Diane, Raphael. How are you, June? I'm great. Thanks, Paul. We have a very special treat today. We have writer extraordinaire.

Ed Brubaker joining us. You might know him from the criminal series Fatal, Captain America, and Daredevil, which is very excited to have you. You are an expert, actually, for this movie. Yeah, I'm pretty much an expert. Yeah. So Daredevil, not a failure of a movie. We should say that right at the top. Like, as far as...

You mean in terms of making money? Yes. Financially made a lot. Yeah. It spawned the sequel with not Daredevil with Elektra. Spinoff. Spin off. It was a backdoor pilot for the Elektra movie series.

Well, now, there's two movies. There's two cuts of this film. There's a theatrical cut and the director's cut. Ed, you've watched them both. I watched them both in the last one. 24 hours. Yes. Did you lose your mind?

A little bit, yeah. They're both very hard to pay attention to. I mean, you've seen the theatrical. It is real, real, boring and slow. Like, the fight scenes... Shockingly. ...are so slow and clumsy. The fight scenes look like...

They date badly. Yes. Specifically, and this is the guy... Both actors and fight scenes. Well, I mean, don't... Like, the whole movie looks like... There's a big fight between like Electra and Daredevil. And that looks like they were not touching.

They're not really fighting. It looks like they're just like they shot the, let's just do it 60% right now to rehearse. Right, exactly. And they were like, hey, you guys know something? We were actually rolling on that. I think we got it. I think we're good. I have to say something up front.

This is going to blow your mind. I know this already. I loved it. Holy shit. I don't think I've ever heard that from a huge thing. What are you talking about? I loved it. I enjoyed it.

Wow. In what way? I enjoyed that scene you're talking about on the seesaws. No. Yes, it did. The seesaw scene? I love the seesaw scene. I love them together.

I teared up when she died. No, you didn't. Yes, it did. I was hoping against hope she would come back somehow. She got a sequel. She did. She got a sequel. I didn't even know about this sequel.

I'm excited to see it. I. I. I really enjoyed it. Wow. And here's what I think I connected to the most. The fact that, and again, I don't know superheroes. I don't know the comic book world.

But the fact that he was... You don't know that world. That's not a world. It's not a world. It's not a world. It's not a tornadoes. Way below tornadoes. But what was, wait, what recently did you know a bit about gorillas?

She knew a lot about guerrillas. So do you know, you know less about... I know less about tornadoes and girls. There is a graph on our Facebook page that is kind of monitoring what you know about. And comic books at the bottom of the list. You were the target audience for that movie. I guess so. Here's what I loved.

I love the idea that this superhero, and again, I don't know a lot of superheroes, I love that his power came from a disability. I thought that that was so amazing and kind of beautiful and that it wasn't this sort of like otherworldly thing. that had happened to him or some... No. It was radioactivity. Yeah, there was a little bit because that was a special... Radioactive waste, the stuff that he gets splashed with in the face.

And in the Daredevil origin story that isn't in this, he's like saving an old man from being hit by a truck. I love in this version. His dad causes the accident. How crazy is that? Yes. How crazy is? Like, in this version, they make it so much... In the, you know, the origin story of Daredevil, he's that little kid.

his dad is the same, his dad is, and in this one too, like they name his dad the devil rather than battling Jack Merck. There's such weird changes they make to the story. But regardless, there's an old man crossing the street who's going to be hit by the truck. An old blind man about to walk in front of a truck. And Matt Murdoch runs, pushes him out of the way, himself gets in the accident. The toxic waste spills on his eyes and he is blinded rescuing somebody. But in this one, his dad drives him out by revealing he's a bad guy.

His dad's like, I'm not, I don't do that. Yeah, and then he just like, runs by toxic waste factory in the middle of else. And did you see? He like causes the truck to actually beer and then get sliced with a forklift. So the shit splashes on him. Are we allowed to say shit? Yeah, you can say whatever you'd like. This is not.

Keep it classy, Brewbaker. We're allowed to. We just don't like it. I've said wet blood fart on this podcast a lot. I love that choice, though, that it was the father, you know, his father betrayed him, and that's why he was running so willy-nilly. But it also seemed weird because his father betrayed. He did run very willy-nilly.

He had a skateboard. Why not use a skateboard? He could have skateboarded away. Why was he skating up? Why was he skating down that alley? I couldn't figure that out either. Well, in the director's cut. Oh, here we go.

In the director's cut, he shows up at his dad's work looking for him to show him to show him. his straight A's. Oh, makes more sense. Well, you just see his report card. Yeah, it just splashes down there with straight A's and all, like, perfect attendance. But that makes more sense. And then he shows up at his dad's work and the guy's like, your dad hasn't worked here for years.

And then he, and then he, like, immediately skates to where his dad is roughing a guy up. And I'm like. See, I have to say, I did not understand that the radioactivity of the chemical was making. I thought. That's why he has the enhanced radar sensibility. Yeah, that's why all the things come in so clearly like that. I just thought in my mind, what I was seeing... You think that all blind people are like that?

No, not at all. I just thought he was this... He had sort of committed so hard to being blind. Wait, but he woke up in the hospital room and it was immediate. I know. He didn't have time to make that conscious choice. There is a certain amount of... But your senses do get heightened.

That is a reality. Yeah. But his get heightened to a superhero's level. Okay. You know. And then the other thing that happens... Most blind people don't turn into acrobat to me. Yeah, exactly.

I mean, immediately he was... He did the little kid wire foo. Well, here's... Where is stick? Like, how does he not get trained by stick? Like, there is... He trains himself? Stick came in later.

Really? So there was the early... Before Frank Miller, there was no stick. Oh, okay. I guess that is... I guess that is how I know. He just, like, learned how to fight. Yeah.

By, like, because he grew up in boxing, you know, rings and stuff or in boxing gyms. Well, here, my issue with this movie is... it's kind of what a lot of people say about superhero movies, which is like, I don't want to see an origin story. I just want to see them get into the action. But they neither do an origin story to its completion, nor do they tell an effective criminal story.

It's kind of like, it feels like the middle of something bigger. It's just like the kingpin stuff is so kind of slapdashed. He's in like five minutes in the movie in the theatrical version. And he has nothing to really, it just doesn't, I don't get what the villain is. I mean, really, it starts to really get together, like, an hour and 20 minutes into an hour and 48-minute movie. The first time I saw this movie, I didn't see it in the theater because I was working at D.C. at the time. And I was doing like a bat. I was working on Batman or Catwoman or something.

But I knew people that had gone to see it. Like, D.C. had been invited by Marvel to go see this. And Marvel, the guys at Marvel, like, Fox made this movie. It was before the Marvel Studios. Even though they saw that cool opening. Yeah, they have the cool opening. But I remember one of my editors at D.C. said, this is what this movie is what everyone says is wrong with superhero movies. Like, he basically kills a guy.

Yeah. The first guy he goes after. Also, okay, this is a thing that I never noticed. That's great about it because he's wrestling with this moral compass. I love that. But, okay, the opening court scene? Yeah. Yeah.

What the fuck is going on there? There are two defense attorneys. They're representing, like, the rape victim and the other people are representing the rapist. Where the fuck are the prosecutors? That was the weird thing. What is this trial? Is this a civil case? Is this like the OJ jury?

He already got off on the criminal part and she's trying to sue him and they can't get that either. And then like foggy when they walk out of the courtroom, he's like, he's like, oh man, he hired a really good lawyer. That a lawyer didn't do anything. He's like, hey, I object to that. And it's like, and then all of a sudden he was off. Like he was just, like, I mean. Did you love the comic book Dutch angles in the courtroom? The only time they had like dramatic.

Like Batman, like the Batman TV show. Like the most static room, no fight scene just in court to like testify. The plaintiff's testifying. That is what's, you know, unclear about the daredevil. Like it seems in one sense he's very suspect of the justice system and how it works. Like he doesn't believe in it in the court system. And yet he's always calling for the police and like that end of the justice system all the time. It's not as though the whole thing is.

corrupt and he's the only vigilante. It does seem like he thinks the cops can be of service. You know, I think the way it was always portrayed is that like hell's kitchen, everyone's corrupt, even the cops, kind of so the cops are on the take. But the idea that Daredevil like would, that scene in the subway when he's chasing Cassata. Oh, yeah. And then he's like strangling the guy and then the train noise.

Like he's never, like he doesn't realize after an entire lifetime of this power that the subway train will make that the first time he's ever been in the tunnel apparently. It's so crazy to me. He's in fucking New York City. That noises, like in this, like, it's almost like Daredevil's great weakness is loud noise.

It's like his kryptonite is noises. Spoiler alert, we end up with a finale set piece on a church organ. Yeah. So that it can make as much noise as possible. Yeah. When bull's eyes banging the church bell.

Oh my God. Well, I want to also talk about Again, going back to this Cassada rapist. Oh, yeah. He does so much damage in that bar and seemingly kills everyone in that bar. And when there was only one person he was after and he doesn't even effectively kill the rapist because he has to chase him into the subways. Yeah. There are a lot of people died in that bar that are seemingly innocent or have not committed a crime.

They're like bad guys. It's a bad guy bar. It's a bad guy bar. It's a bad guy bar. Okay. It's the bar where the bad guys hang out. I don't know that he killed them. I think they're just down for

I admit my eyes started to glaze over during that scene because I was just like, wow, there's a lot of stuff going on here. I fast forwarded. And I'm like, how is the pool table on fire? Yeah, all of a sudden the pool table? And then he's like standing on the pool table. Like on fire and the other guy

got away somehow. The only guy he came there for got away. Gets away and he chases him to the subway. They have a confrontation. Not realizing that if a subway train comes by, uh-oh. But then he really fucking kills him. No, he lets him die. He lets him die.

The guy, Cassada falls onto the train tracks. In the comic book, there's a scene where they're clearly paying homage to in the old Frank Miller comic where bullseye's on the train tracks. And Matt Murdoch is such a, like, justice and law guy that he can't even let bullseye die. He has to save him. But he's letting this rapist go. Oh, yeah. Which I agree. Sure.

I mean, a professional assassin is worth saving a rapist not. Yeah, exactly. But. Well, you know, apparently the director was really into recreating a lot of shots. in from the comics and there are moments that you kind of see that but again this movie is something that like it's like you have this origin story it's kind of like the first 20 minutes half hour then you go into this rapist story that's kind of not I would argue not a hundred percent tied to kingpin and then electric comes in and then you're dealing with that and then once like

Electra's father gets we got to get into the electric stuff the romance really takes the romance really takes a center stage in this. And I will say that, I thought they had great chemistry. The romance is really front and center. Oh, yeah. And it's, it sort of seems like they were like, more. It's a lot like the notebook in the middle. Well, so you read about this.

Like, I, because when I watch both, both cuts, the director's cut, which is a half an hour longer, first of all, has an entire storyline with Coolio. What? Yes. Coelio is. Quilio plays a guy, a murder suspect, slash junkie, who? who is framed by the Kingpin for the murder of this woman

and Matt Murdoch and Foggy Nelson defend him and it's a whole storyline that ties all these plot lines together actually. A legal thriller. Yeah, you see Matt Murdoch and Foggy Nelson actually being lawyers and investigating and meeting with their... Because that seems like, and it also is a bigger payoff

from what I've read about the director's commentary to tie in the kingpin. It just seems like at the end it's like, oh yeah, Kingpin hired me. The kingpin is in it a lot more. Yeah. And but what isn't in it, much more, and there's less of it, is the romance.

Like the scene on the rooftop, when he's making out with her and he hears like a fight and then she's like, stay with me, and then they're making love. That scene's not in the movie. They never make love in the movie. Oh, wow. They kiss and he hears it. And he's like, I got to go. And she's like, I got to go.

And she's like, stay with me. And he's like, I can't. She's like, stay with me. I want to have the slowest sex scene I've ever had in that life. To be fair, they did get married after that. Oh, I know. Yes. This is it.

I think that may have been colored some of my viewing, too, is knowing that this is where they've found their love. Yeah, I'm a shipper for them, too. Is this where she fell out of love with Scott Foley? Well, here's the thing that people... That had happened when she became a bigger star than him, right? Is that right? I think that had already happened on the aliens. Maybe, guys, here is the...

Here's a little gossip for you. When he was shooting this movie, he was still with J-Lo. Whoa. So people don't often talk... Yeah, this could be a little Mr. Mrs. Smith action going on here. I feel bad talking about that. That they are, that they could have... It's okay to talk about Matt Murdoch cheating on every girlfriend that he's ever had,

but Ben Affleck can't. This is, yes. He is a sacred... It's also interesting to watch him in a cowl here and knowing that all the drama that's going on with Batman. Well, I want to read... Are you going to read his quote? I want to read this quote. Yes.

This is the quote. He goes, in November 2006, Ben Affleck stated he would never reprised the role having felt by playing a superhero and daredevil, I have inoculated myself from ever playing another superhero. Wearing a costume was a source of humiliation for me in something I would never want to do again. Whoa.

But now he has kids. He didn't have kids then. Now he has kids who want to see him beat up Superman. He's not in that costume. I mean, you don't really see him. And by the way, that's a good costume. I think the Daredevil costume out of all... It's not. It's more realistic. Oh, really? I didn't like it.

He can turn his head, which is something they've still never been able to accomplish in a Batman movie. Even after pointing out, like, I want to be able to turn my head. He still never turns his head in the Batman. And I agree with you. It does look very real world. It does look, you know. It looks like a costume someone could realistically put up together.

I will tell you what does not look real world is every sidewalk street corner there on it. It looks like the Seinfeld sets when the Seinfeld go out in New York. I was going to say the same thing. It looks so shitty. It looks like a studio set, right? But it's downtown LA. Some of it is. I think some of it was on sets.

It looks so faky. It looks so faky. like how I met your mother. Yeah. Like, and I see that as a ban how I met your mother. I wish partying is in this. No offense to sitcom streets,

but they are not, they are not the high budget that, a million dollar movies. So guys, please don't freak out about how we're coming down on sitcom streets.

Yeah. We're not trying to start a war. H.I.M, do, H.IYM fans do not strike out against this podcast. We cannot have you guys against them. Guys, we do not want to go to war H-I-Y-M versus

H-D-T-M-Y-H-I. Oh, H-I. Okay, yes, you're right. Himia. Him-ya versus Hittigam. Why does he sleep in that? So he needs a sensory deprivation thing. And this is the coolest thing, and the director's cut, actually, as he's getting into it, the first time you see him getting into it, he hears a crime that's too far away for him to get to.

And that's the Kulio murder. And he has this vision of the murder happening, like, on the floor, like it's crawling towards him. as he like sinks into the thing. And it's really creepy. Ooh, so like, so he is like, that's a, see, that's more interesting. Like, see, that's what you were missing. Well, you would like, I mean, you're never going to love the Daredevil movie other than June. But, like, guys who've ever read The Daredevil comic are never going to love that movie.

But the director's cut is closer to what you expect from the movie. It's still got too many stories and too much stuff in it. Well, it seems like a lot to put, like, Kingpin, Bullseye, and Electra. Those are all giant characters. for a first movie where you're not even really growing with the character. And also, did it not seem weird to you that the movie opens and then like within three minutes you're in a flashback that goes the length of the entire movie? Yes. It's really on.

The last 20 minutes are the only part that's not a flashback. Yeah. And the other thing is in that original, I feel like they were like, you know what, nobody's going to watch this opening with the dumb church and stick. with this stupid movie. So I have a bunch of flash forwards where we see stuff that's gonna happen. In that opening scene where you're coming in

and it's like it's like it's like it's like and there'll be like little images that are gonna be in the movie later as if to say like don't worry we know this is opening on a shot of a city but don't worry guys there's gonna be fights and bullseyes in this

and it's horrible. Like a dumb way to be like we got to keep them entertained. It's like you just were 30 seconds into the film. Yeah, they're showing you. you glimpses of fights from the last 10 minutes of the movie. Now, what was going on with all of the medicine he's taking?

Well, he's hurt. I think that was something that they added for the movie because they wanted to make it because he's supposed to just be a real guy like you and I. But he's leaping around all night long and like getting in fights with people. And by the way, he's going to be in constant game. Certain times in this movie, he's like flying. Like him and Elektra. They don't, like they have like superhero.

jumps. Yeah. They're not believable. There's that scene at the end where he's fighting bullseye and he leaps like 20 feet up into the air. Up into the air. Yeah. And it's like in the comics he's usually like, I mean it's a comic book. He leaps more than you should.

But he's got stuff that he's, he is like. He's like. He's like. He's like. I feel like they have that scene in Nolan's Batman too where he is, is, has to recover from the fights that he has. Because he's like taking like Vicodan. Yeah. He's taking Perkiss.

That was one of the. Why does he chew them like that? They always chew pills in movies. I was really upset. Have you ever taken a dry pill? Never and just chew it up. Have you ever accidentally bit an aspirin? It's the worst feeling ever.

That and the directors cut him chewing an aspirin? Yeah. It was pretty awesome. Orange is orange. Guys, have you ever pulled out your own tooth in the shower? I totally forgot that. What was that? No, okay.

Why does he pull his own tooth out? I have had a lot of dental work in the last. several years. If you're pulling a molar out, you're going to the dentist the next day. You've got to get another molar put in her. That made no sense. Like, he's going to develop TMJ problems. Here's the other thing.

If he had been dealing with that, when you have pain like that in your teeth, you can't focus on anything else but that pain until that tooth is out. Unless you're daredevil, man. Yeah. He's able to block out tooth pain, but not the subway. Yeah. For his entire life. Again, the subway was a shock to him.

And I felt like in this movie, the rain. was also, like, he's like, oh, the rain kind of helps me out here. Like, it seemed like that was the first thing. He doesn't need the rain. That's what I thought, right? He doesn't need the rain in the comics. No, and that's, radar sense works. The only time his radar sense doesn't work if there's nothing to bounce off of.

So if he's, like, above the skyscrapers, like, falling from a plane, he would have no idea where he's going. Right. But his radar sense, in the comic books, at least, basically, he has, like, a 3D picture and he can see, the reason it's an advantage is because he can see what's in the next room. Right. He can kind of see. Otherwise, it would just be like, oh, he can see behind him, too, which would be better.

I also want to talk about really get into the meat of the romance here. Oh, yeah. Electra. First of all, I want to just wrap up the one thing about Cassada when he lets Cassada get killed. And Joey Pants' Ben Urick shows up. And he's like, oh, it's Daredevil. And they're like, how do you know that? That's an urban legend.

And he goes, oh, I don't know. And he flicks his cigarette. And Daredevil has apparently left a gasoline double D in the ground. Which, by the way, I was like, what the fuck? It's in the comic, right? The way it should be reflected in his glasses is the mirror image. But in his glasses, it's the forward image, which someone just pointed out is a, since it's a digital effect, that it's a $10,000 mistake. Like, somebody did not figure out the right way to put in his glasses.

That just to me didn't seem like the daredevil I know in love. Like, I feel like he's not. He's not that cocky. He's not that cocky. When did he have that chance to, like, yeah, to like. But by the way. Also, if you're going to be Daredevil and let a guy die, that's the time to not sign your work. Yes.

Sign your work when you've got the rapist hanging from the thing outside City Hall with a confession. Then you're like, by the way, this is done by Daredevil. Not like, not I've killed someone in cold blood. That's when you run away. Now, my eyes definitely glazed over a few times in this movie. And I'm wondering, did they ever draw the parallel of how, what's we call it, Ben Euricks, Like, how he found out it was Matt Murdoch? The, yeah, the Kevin Smith scene.

Oh, yeah, the Kevin Smith scene. Just from that, he's able to figure it. Yeah, because he sees, he meets Matt Murdoch, and Matt Murdoch is like, hold this for a second. Right. Hold this for a second. He looks at it, he goes, oh, nice color. Nice color. And then he sees it again.

I wouldn't know. Oh, got it. And then he sees it again with Kevin Smith, also at their devil writer. Yeah, and then he, yeah, who, I guess, you know, wrote the stuff that the imagery was taken from. And Kevin Smith. Smith is the reason why Ben Affleck is Daredevil. Apparently, recommended him. Originally, the part was offered to Vin Diesel.

Really? Yes. Oh, sorry, sorry. No, I'm sorry. I got confused. Wow. Bullseye was. Bullseye.

Oh, Bullseye. But Matt Damon was one of the people. Oh, Matt Damon. Yes, I had a few Daredevils. I got to find him now. But, yes. Well, here it was. Let's see.

It was Matt Damon, Ed Norton, and Guy Pearce were all up for Daredevil. And Cuba Gooding Jr. wanted the lead but was never approached. I would have loved a guy. I think all of those people would have been just as good as Ben Affleck, except for Vin Diesel, would not have been a good Darren. No, Darren Van Diesel would have been apported. Having seen him as a lawyer in that other movie,

Finding a Guilty. I will say this, though. I don't think that Ben Affleck is bad in this movie. No, I don't think so at all. We all are doing, like, I don't think he was that bad at all. We're all doing high-pitch. We all do the high-pitched voice. He's an Academy Award winner, Jason.

That means we're lying. It means we're afraid of him. I would not have picked him for my choice, I don't think. But I actually don't think. He doesn't ham it up or anything. No, he doesn't ham it up. He plays it pretty straight. The director's cut he's actually really good in, I think, because there's a lot more of him in it.

And apparently that was the original studio cut that everybody was happy with. And I think that's the one that Kevin Feige, who now runs Marvel Studios, was working on this movie in a lower capacity as a producer under a copy of that. Before they realized that like superhero movies are the future. Yeah, exactly. And before Kevin got to the point where he could actually be in charge and go, let's not just like, you know, let's follow the comics a little bit more and build our own world. But like I read something like Affleck had to wear contact lenses. Yes, so he was actually blind.

Yeah. And all those scenes, which is kind of amazing. I actually, for one sketching human giant, I. wore those milky contacts because my eyes were supposed to be burnt out. And it is the most frightening thing ever to put things into your eye and then you're blind. It is. Oh, God. Did you see shapes even?

You're just seeing white. Like you're, it's basically like white. Like someone just spray painted over your eyes. Like you can see you white but nothing else. Oh, that's scary. So it is a, he did a good job. I think that must have been what I really connected to because to see a man be so vulnerable like that and to be blind and he's also a superhero

to me and maybe other women feel this was like what could be better what could be better because he's also I know he can see certain things and he's like a pro bono his feelings on like women's looks either I mean he saw her he took payment in like a wheel of cheese

or something my favorite joke of the whole movie which is when Foggy and Matt Murdoch are in their office and, like, they're complaining about people paying them and fish and cheese. And, like, and Favreau's like, yeah, I'm expecting Lamont from Sanford and Son to come in here.

I was like, that's a really funny joke. I don't know. I haven't enjoyed that. That's totally improv. That really made me laugh. That sounds just exactly like Favro. And by the way, Favro, lucky to get two sidekick characters in Marvel films.

Oh, yeah. I was wondering, when I realized he was in this, I was wondering, like, oh, is this the beginning of, like, him and Kevin's relationship that then leads to Iron Man. Yeah, yeah. What did he do that got him Iron Man? Jumangee 2. Jimonji 2.

Zas Rustra or whatever. Zathora. Oh, yeah, that thing. Yeah. Because before that, his last movie was Elf. Yeah. But then look at the Captain America movie. It's the Russo Brothers.

She wouldn't have picked. And everything I've seen from that movie looks amazing. It looks badass. I'm jazzed about that. I'm so excited. Well, let's not get off topic. Yes. But what I was going to say is, so the director's cut version, apparently,

they screened that and every woman in the audience connected to the romance and wanted more of that and that's why they cut a half an hour of the movie and they added in a but the director's cut doesn't have like two or three scenes that are in the theatrical

that are all the romance stuff. Well it makes sense because there's some weird ass shit in there like he pretty much meets Electra and then the next scene is like I've always wanted to bring you up here to the roof it's like wait you just met her you've always wanted to bring her to this roof in hell's kitchen

like there's a couple like weird connections like that. And then for me, I'm not as well versed in a lecture, so you guys can maybe help with this. It seems to me like, where are her superpowers coming from? Because she is a ninja. She's trained ninja. Okay.

But is she a trained ninja before her father is killed? Because it seems like then she has like that little montage scene when she's just training. In the comic book, she was Matt Murdoch's girlfriend in college, pre-law. Okay. And her dad was a was a Greek ambassador who got murdered during like some sort of terrorist standoff that was very similar to the Munich thing where it was like these guys seized the building he was in and he stood up at the wrong moment and got shot and then Electra leaves and 10 or 15 years later she comes back and she's an assassin who used to be a ninja.

Okay. And that's how she's introduced in the comic as Matt's ex-girlfriend who's now a bad girl. And she's like she's a villain. She's a villain. She's a villain. She's a villain. She's a villain. And then she goes good because she realizes daredevil as Matt Murdoch, who is the one love of her life. And so she starts to become good.

And in the comic, she actually dies trying to save Foggy. Oh, really? That's why Bullseye ends up killing her in the comic. That image of Bullseye from killing Foggy. Putting the side through her coming out of her back. In the director's cut, that's actually in the movie. It's in the movie, too. No, in the director's cut, there's a wide shot.

See the back of her shirt sticking out. Because they were trying to get a PG-13. Yeah, they're trying to get a PG-13. Because that's like a very, and then the- Violence is much more intense. But that's a weird thing. It's like you're taking images from a lot of disparate things and go, oh, we'll recreate that image, but it's out of context.

They're very much taking those images. In the world of the theatrical cut, so we're just to believe that she has these skills. Doesn't she mention it when they're walking on the street? Yeah, that her dad sent her to a different sense say every year. Yeah. Okay. She's had Kung Fu train. He goes, where'd you learn to fight like that?

Exactly. And she goes, my dad, something, something. He makes me train with a different sense every year since I was five. But now here... Didn't you... Didn't you guys love all of her? I mean, that had to be her doing all of that.

Wake me up inside. She's amazing. Open up your eyes. All the emo bosa music. Right? Yeah, she was already kick ass. But here's my issue with that character, and it's a big, big flaw, which is...

And again, maybe I missed it. I don't think I did. I don't think he did. Bullseye clearly kills her father. Yeah. And then she is blaming Matt. Like she's like she's shooting or daredevil. I don't think she saw.

How did she not see it there on the street? I know, but it's very clear that she's on the ground. She sees it go over her head. But she didn't notice when there was another guy. He throws the throwing stars as he's standing on the motorcycle, which for some reason. Yes. It can still steer. Yes.

I could spend an hour. Talking about just bullseye. And the insanity that was this character. The peanut on the plane or the pecan? What is that? Yes, that was crazy. Also, how do you kill someone with one nut? Was it a nut allergy?

No, she chokes on it. She choked on something that small. It hit her so hard in the back of her throat. That's what I imagine. She just died of shock. He's a real jokester. Oh, I kind of liked his performance. I thought it was so insane.

It was like hiring Orson Wells. I felt like, he was so overdoing. I loved it. He was like, I'm a cartoon. Yeah. Like, you know, it's like, I'm like, he's like, oh yeah, this is a cartoon movie. I'm a cartoon. He has a move, which he does throughout the movie that I feel like he went up to the director

beforehand. He was like, hey, you know what I figured out? The thing on my head, I'm going to treat it like a nipple. So I'm going to like touch it. I'm going to touch it like, ooh, yeah. He multiple times like fingers the bullseye on his head like it's, and he's like excited. that and the sound effect they put in for when he puts his jacket on

there's like a rattlesnake sound? I was like, what the fuck is going on? He might have a rattlesnake in there that he throws accurately. I would love that. Now, how does he get that bullseye imprint in the comic books? Or is it ever? That was for the movie, actually.

In the comic book, he wore a costume that had a bullseye right there. And then when the movie came out, actually, my friend Brian Bendis was writing the comic at the time and to try to make bullseye match the character from the movie more. He had a scene where like Daredevil beats the crap out of him and then takes a rock and like carves the bulls on it.

Oh, really? Which I thought was really badass at the time. I kind of like, I don't mind that scar on his side. I thought that was a cool look. I thought that was really cool because you can't have a lot of people in costumes running around in a movie, especially when you've got like, yeah. Daredevil's costume looked, you know, less ridiculous than you'd expect. It was just red leather and it just was like a cowl, but not.

And Electra is never in a costume. Like she never wears. the signature kind of red kind of electric costume. Yeah, she doesn't have her head gear or anything. And Michael Clark Duncan is dressed like Kingpin who... He basically looks exactly like Kingpin.

By the way, best performance. Great. So good. When he gets his knees kicked out in the final fight scene, that scream... I want that image just frozen for a lot of like, whoa! Somebody make a gift, is it a GIF?

A GIF. Make a gif of that for Paul, please. Of just his knees being broken and that scream, that like that monster scream. But like he's an intimidate. I like to when he took, when he got one mono-a-mono with Daredevil. Yeah. But again, that's always, that's always a great fight. Why is he the one who kills Matt Murdoch's dad?

Yeah. That's like the Keaton Batman movie. They have to tie it. It's like, no, the Joker didn't make Batman. Yeah, you don't have to tie it. You don't have, everything has to be a loose end that you tie it together. They made a bunch of Batman references in this. It felt.

like Batman with a boner. I mean like Daredevil is Marvel's Batman. He's Marvel's kind of human vigilante kind of character, morally ambiguous. He's very, the street level. Yes. But here they like, they kill his dad out in the back alleyway just like. But that happened to the time. But I feel like it went down more like the alleyway shooting of the parents.

Then there are a bunch of bats that fly out of the church organ. I was like, what the fuck is going? This is weird. How bad must you feel like if you're Ben Affleck and you're like, you got this good script and then all of a sudden this is what it's becoming? Yeah. Because the director's cut is better, right? The director's cut is a better movie. It's still a bit of a mess.

It's still, you know, opens with him starting to talk to a priest and then cuts to. In fact, the flashback is an extra 20 minutes longer. Yeah. Because it literally, it's only when after Electra gets killed and Matt drops into that church that it comes back to where the movie began. Right. And I remember the first time I was watching the movie, I literally called my wife and I'm like, look at this. This is an hour and 15 minutes into a 90-minute movie. And the flashback that started at the beginning of the movie just ended.

And she was like, really? Well, that's impossible. Well, I kept on waiting for the main narrative to kick in, too. Yeah. That was it. I was like, if finally, you're finding out. Okay, now I know what. Now we're going to start.

Yeah. Now I know. And it's like, oh, it's only 20 minutes to go. Okay. Well, I guess this is it. Okay. what the hell happens in that opening bar scene? What is he doing to that guy when he's sticking some?

Paperclips? Paperclips? Paper clips? Yeah, paper clips. He shoots? But he was weird. Yes. I guess a lot of acupuncture.

I thought it was just acupuncture. It was like he's just passing out like, oh my God. He definitely kills him. There's no blood or anything. Bullseye repeatedly does what I would consider to be amateur magic tricks. Yes. Like he shows the guy a paper clip. Then he puts his hand in front of it, pulls his hand away, and the paper clip is unfolded.

And everybody's looking at him like, what the fuck's this about? And then he like, shoots, and he like flicks the paper clip at the guy and it goes into his throat. But he has also 20 of them. And he has 20 more undone, unfastened paper clip. Don't let him into your office. Is he like that? Is he like that? Again, you know, there are certain versions of this comic that I have read.

And again, Daredevil is not, does he do that with every, like is he can be? Bullseye is deadly with anything in his hand. Okay, anything. What's weird is though they. He killed someone with a pencil. He did do the thing where he rubber band paper. clip to fly that was bugging him. Okay, so, all right.

So he's multi-fasting. He could kill you with a peanut. Yes. Got it. Okay. But what's weird is he throws a card at one point, which is a gambit move. Yes. I thought that was so bad.

I thought that was really weird. Pre-gambet. Oh, is it? He's used cards pre-Frank Miller even. Oh, okay. Oh, wow. The throwing cards, yeah, it was like, I guess whoever created Bullseye, I think it was Marv Wolfman.

Okay. The guy who created Blade. I think he, when he was doing Daredevil, he created Bulls. he created Bullseye. Okay. And I think he's thrown cards the entire time because... Okay, that's fine. He must have known of Ricky Jay.

Got it. Because I was like... I saw that and I was like... Bullseye, that's a gambit move. Bullseye has become Ricky Jay. That's how he retired. He got out of it. And he uses his cover, travel the world to kill people.

He's got... He just Ricky Jay with bangs. The... But yeah, this... I'm just looking through some of my notes. I wrote down that this movie feels like a shitty video game version of a good movie. Yeah. Like, it's like, it just feels.

I'm watching weird cut scenes. They don't all kind of... The sex scene? Do we want to talk about the playground fight dance scene? A scene that took four days to shoot. Really? Four 12-hour days were committed to that sequence,

which looks like... Garbage. Like you said, like, let's just check through it, let's walk through it. All the fight scenes look a little bit slower than they should be. Oh, very slow. They didn't just speed it up in the editing.

That's what I thought, too. There's a scene where he's like, we're electric shooting at him after she thinks he killed her dad for some reason. And she picks up that gun and just starts blam, blam, blam. And he's like running away and very slowly leaping up a wall. And I was like, that's the slowest parkour I've ever seen. And if he was moving that slowly, you would 100% shoot him. Yeah, she couldn't have missed.

By the way, she's a ninja. It might be hard. She's a ninja. But not a gun ninja. If she had thrown a knife at him, she probably would have hit him. I buy that. All right. I'm not going to eye.

That's good one. They have the dance scene. So they have a meat cute where like they meet in a bar, in a coffee shop rather. And he follows her out and she's like, why are you following me? Wait, but he senses her before she walks in. And foggy is like she's hideous. Yeah. And he's like that good.

And then he stalks her. Yeah. Like a real gross. Stalking. He asks her her name and she won't give it to him. But June has now made me know that if I were. ever single, which I will never be again, thank God. I could just totally do that and that's totally fine.

Well, here's, here's, what if I'm fake blinding like Ben Affleck was? What if I just have just put in those contacts? But then I don't have to commit to that for an entire relationship. That would be terrible. Somebody, our clip puller who does a great job, she actually cut, they really want to emphasize the blind thing and she actually put together a compilation of how many times it reference he's blind hair. They reference it a lot. Yeah, have a listen to this. They say your whole life flashes before your eyes when you die. And it's true.

Even for a blind man. What I saw, I'll never forget. Because it would be the last thing I'd ever see. I'd lost my sight. But I got something back in return. So that was all in the first two minutes. They just are always referencing. And then when he meets, when he meets her, we can play that coffee shop scene. Again, they really hit it home. It's like, This is a blind guy. This is not the Ben Affleck. I'm sorry. Excuse me.

Sure. I was just looking for some honey. Would you help me out? Right in front of you. Dick. Well, could you be a little bit more specific? What are you? Blind?

Oh! That's how they've fallen low. By the way, have you ever said, what are you blinds to somebody? Yeah, never. That is just like... She's kind of rude. Like there's another scene when at the ball, at the big ball, she shows up or he walks up to her and she does look amazing.

But she says to him, I really wish you could see me tonight. Well, he can. That's mean. That's serious. I know you look great and stuff. But he's already seen her in the rain. And does she know that? Does she understand that the rain?

He explains the whole concept of his sonar to her. All she needs to do is turn on the sprinklers. Yeah. By the way, if I was Daredevil, I would just move to Seattle. because then you get to see all the beautiful women all the time. How does he see people in the rain? It doesn't make any sense. In the comic, he just sees shapes.

Yeah. He sees the person inside. Let me throw this out of you. See, it's even more beautiful. I love that. June loved it. I know. It's amazing. I was not expecting that at all. I also recognize like the story problems and all of that, but I enjoyed it.

But it's so true that at the heart of it was a love story. And like if Elektra hadn't been involved, would you have like, that movie. Yeah. Yeah. That's what I think. I don't think you would like the director's cut because the director's cut is way like more. It's just about being a superhero and the troubles of doing it kind of.

So they're talking about a reboot and these are some interesting names been attached to it. Jason Statham has expressed interest in playing Daredevil. Yeah. Vin Diesel wants to play Kingpin. Yeah. And so someone had pointed out that maybe we should get the guys that directed the crank. Oh, my God. And you get Nicholas Cage to be another villain.

That's a movie. Oh, I would fucking love Nick. Nicholas Cage. Kevin Feige has confirmed that the rights are now back to Marvel. So they can do this. This is, I think, a movie that could be really cool. It's an amazing character. Oh, no, people not like this character.

Oh, no, people. This is like a beloved character. And he couldn't figure out how to get it going at Fox, I think. A friend of mine was attached to direct it like a couple years ago. And it was just a situation of, you know, too many, too many notes, It's too many different ideas. It's such a simple movie. It could be done like the Batman movies,

and it would be just as effective and such as really cool. It'd be really easy. You do Born Again, and then you end Born Again. But you do it like a different ending where you throw them in prison. And then you do that, the reveal story. Yeah. And then the next one is like Daredevil in Prison, which was like my first story. Yeah, that's how you got him out of, yeah.

It's like, Dairdwell's in prison with all the bad guys. That's never been done before. That would be amazing movie, too. That would be a really great street level, you know, because Kingpin's in there and Bull. I was in there and throw the punisher in, which Marvel owns the Punisher again. People love Arkham Asylum and all that kind of stuff. It's like, you know, it's like that would be a cool movie.

Is there what happened to Daredevil after his father died? Like, where did he go? I know he was training. They trained together, it seemed like. Yeah, and they train the training montage, by the way, where he's sitting and reading and his dad's just boxing on the roof. And but somehow Matt also learns like that whole wire food. Like he's sliding down.

I'm sorry. like just because you have radar sense, why are you a perfect like ballerina all of a sudden? Like, I could not walk on like a bar. And he knew where everything was. He just does it too. He's like, I bet I could slide three stories down a bar.

I'm no longer afraid. I'm a child. Yeah. And the director's cut, do they try to explain that or no? Okay. In the director's cut, that scene stands out even more

because everything else, I mean, it's not realistic, but it's grittier. Yeah. And that scene, And the scene where he beats up Tony Sopranos kid. Yeah. With the, like, the stick thing.

Oh, my God. Like, how can he know those poses? Yeah, he really is posing. Yeah, he's literally, it's like an eight-year-old doing, like, kung, kung fu movie poses. Obviously, we had an opinion about this movie, but there are other people who had a slightly better opinion. Now, June was one of them. June is, this is, are we going to read a second opinion from June? This is time for second opinions with a brand new theme song.

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Okay, here's some great ones. I actually pulled a few. This is from Ronald W. Knight. He writes, I love this movie, and so did my ex-wife. She never liked comics. So that's a great recommendation. I wish I had her back. I wish she hadn't left me.

Sometimes I watch this movie and cry because I miss my ex-wife. I don't know who I'm going to go see Guardians of the Galaxy. This is from Dixie Elder. Michael Clark Duncan is strong. Whenever life is walking all over me, I just watch any scene with bullseye and laugh my ass off and get back in the groove. Five stars. Wow. All right.

This is, these, there's so many great ones here. This one, this is from Marion Wilson. This film's got to be the best action movie I've ever seen, barring Fast and the Furious Tokyo Drift. A lot of people come down for Tokyo Drive. Yeah, really? I like Fast Five, but. Five and six. Five and six.

I especially At seven. Seven is going to be amazing. It's James Juan. Yeah, it's going to be amazing. I especially like

Evanescence's Bring Me to Life video. The story is original and I haven't seen any other films about blind superheroes. Have you? Five stars.

Wait, is that the song that's played during the montage? The training montage? Oh, God, I hate that song. It's so terrible. And then here are just, I got to keep on reading these because they're so good.

Jake Edelstein writes, It reminds me that justice is blind in the sense. Oh, my God. In the sense that there's no discrimination against the rich and the poor, the mighty and the lowly. Unfortunately, that's only in the comic book universe. Rob a 7-Eleven and you'll get 15 years in jail. Swindle billions out of investors. Oh, boy.

Plea bargain and a slap on the wrist. Wall Street needs a daredevil. Five stars. Amazing. Well, he is a street-level character, so that he could just exist. Just move to New York, Jake Edelstein. And then, and then finally from Maxy Cat, he writes, forget Ben Affleck.

That guy's getting married soon. Well, maybe not too soon. Anyway, see this movie to check out the spanking new Hollywood Golden Boy, Irish heartthrob Colin Farrell. Oh my God. This man is as hot as chilly wings and Palm Springs. Grind in. Oh, my God.

Plus, he has the acting abilities of a serious, talented actor. That's the best. He has the acting abilities of a seriously talented actor. Oh, my God. Five stars. Is that from IMDB from when the movie was out? From 2003, January 30th, 2003. Why does, at the end of the movie, why does Bullseye get stigmata in the church?

Oh, yeah. He shot through the hands and strikes a Christ pose. Yes, that makes no sense. But they kind of pulled away from it, too. Like, he kind of does it. It's basically make him a Christ figure, and then Matt Murdoch literally throws him out of window. But remember, they're doing the fight. After he kills Electra, he starts fighting.

Daredelva Bulls I start fighting, and then there's like a police chopper and there's cops everywhere. So apparently that sniper was just shooting it. It was like a police sniper just shooting at both of them. But shooting just through it. He couldn't see through the stained glass window. Yeah, exactly. I don't understand. That was crazy.

I'm going to take a shot. Whatever. I don't know if there's anyone in this church. I think I got a shot of something. And Daredevil, his radar sense sees it coming. And that's how he. It's so random. Bullseye.

those cops are even there. Oh, yeah. No. I had to go, I had to rewind it like several times to get to the point where there were cops there even because I was like, who is this sniper? Is this a kingpin sniper? And why are they, yeah, it doesn't. Bullseye has backup for the first time in history.

And then also they kind of, and the theatrical version, they barely, the priest relationship is like, oh, yeah, oh, yeah. And it's gone. Like, because I thought in the beginning, like, oh, does he sleep in the church in this? Like, because it seems like he's, like, yeah. The other thing that I loved was in the church when, Bullseye breaks the stained glass window above him and catches pieces of glass

like their plates like chilly really like in a pile like chili really catching pancakes and that guy and he literally catches stacks of glass

and then it uses them to like throw and spin and I was like this is so stupid and this is in the era where they were they had already made all three Lord of the Rings movies

and people knew how to do green screen where you're reacting to things that aren't there and they're still having him Catch falling plates. Well, there was something really interesting. They said that because Superman did such a good thing,

they raised the budget from $50 million. That was the shooting budget. And they pushed it to $80 for $30 million of special effects to enhance the visuals, which, you know, look, that stained glass window scene really showed that out. Yeah. Half the early stuff when he's a kid, when his dad is, I can remember who plays his dad?

I forget his name. I'll find out right now. He's got a name that sounds exactly like another actor. It's David Keith. Yeah. Yeah, David Keith and Keith David. He's getting confused. So David Keith is doing like a Popeye face.

Yeah. Like, yeah, Matt, you can't fight with people. But like all those scenes look like they're filmed on green screen to me. Yeah. Like all the, there's like a hard line around all the characters. Like it almost felt like someone was putting their hand on you and pushing you away from the movie. Don't be connected to this. Don't be connected to this.

Don't be engaged. I'm going to tell you what this movie is about. And then at some point, that just stopped. and he's like an adult and a lawyer. Yeah. That's why it's like it's so confused. It was like they didn't commit to just doing a daredevil movie without an origin story. Because in a way, I almost feel like I could go without an origin story.

You don't need to really know. I think it felt like that's what they were doing. Would you recommend this movie? That's the question. You know, I did not watch the Directors Cup. Maybe I would do that. I don't know. I thought the movie, it's, I mean, maybe it's also like if you're a Daredevil fan,

which I very much consider myself one, like, I was profoundly. disappointed when I saw this at the time and when I watched it again for this I was like yeah this is a bummer it's a bummer because it's a missed opportunity more than it is like a terrible movie like the fight scenes are kind of are boring and

kind of slap dashed if they were faster if they were more successful I would maybe be into it but yeah it just doesn't work so I would say no Ed I you know I feel like it's biggest failing is that it's not engaging as much as when we're talking about it

It sounds more interesting than it actually plays somehow. And even the director's cut, I found myself glancing away at my computer to look up like, oh, does that like just. It's very slapdash. Yeah. And like I want to say if you're a daredevil fan, if you want to see a daredevil movie, you should look at the director's cut just to see. Yeah. But I'm hoping that there'll be another daredevil movie now that Marvel has it back and they, you know, hopefully do something with it. But, you know, it's still, he does have that costume.

And you see in the new movies, like they're trying to make them look as little costumed as possible. Yeah. I wonder how they'll pull that off. I'm very curious, June. I guess I would say 100% yes. I love that. 100% yes. And I will say that I just feel like nothing is really given that much attention to.

And that's the thing that's a bummer. It's like his relationship with Favro's character, the reporter, Kingpin, it's like it's all pieces are there. Does Ellen Pompeo have a line of dialogue in the movie? No, it's so cool. He has, like, one where I think she's requesting to be his plus one. Oh, okay. She has three scenes in the director's cut where she clearly is really into Matt and not into Foggy at all. Oh, okay.

So that's there. And, yeah, and, like, she's offering to get Matt coffee. And Foggy's like, I'll take a cup and she's ignoring him. And so she has, like, interaction there. It feels like an unfinished puzzle on a table. It's like, oh, that looks kind of like, if you put that together the right way, it would be cool. But right now it's just a bunch of pieces. I feel like.

There are better bad movies. to recommend. Well, here's the thing. I think I'm also coming at it as someone who's never heard of this character before. So I'm like, oh, it's really cool. I love this guy. Yeah. Well, he's awesome.

You know, I've never heard of it. What's hard about it, I think, is they're trying to include so many kind of pieces of daredevil from throughout the years that they wind up much in. It was a blender. Yeah, they wind up with nothing. And they wind up telling no story by trying to tell all the stories. I think the issue is, partially, is that because Daredevil became Daredevil as a child, they got screwed because they didn't do like, they can't do like the Spider-Man,

like young kid version. They got to do the older version, but they got to pay homage to, like, it's weird. Yeah, because he was like, he had those powers for a good eight years before he, before his dad died or something. Yeah. He was like 15 or 16 when his dad died in the comics. All right. So guys, what do we want to plug? Ed, what do you got coming up that you'd like to talk about?

Obviously, Captain America is coming up. Oh, the Captain America two movie. Yeah. Yeah, that's sort of loosely based on a comic I wrote. Your new book is amazing. Velvet. Oh, thank you. Amazing.

Oh, I have not read that. I got to read that. I would have brought copies, but mine got mailed to my house in Seattle. How dare you? But, yeah, my new comic out, Velvet, which is kind of like a woman spy comic about sort of the what if Moneypenny was framed for the murder of James Bond. Oh, I got a real. That's kind of pitch for it. And it's Steve Epting?

Steve Epting, the guy who drew Captain America for me is my artist. And, yeah, that's out of image. Awesome. And, yeah, just that. And I can't talk about the stupid Hollywood stuff I'm working on. Why? Very exciting. Well, let's talk about it when we're not recording.

God damn it. God damn it. You'll be very excited. Yeah, June. This can come out this week. Oh, so As Backwards is out November 8th in theaters. Oh, yay. And it's on streaming already.

And it's already streaming on iTunes. And Amazon, I think, maybe. Yeah, all VOD pretty much places. you can find it. And it's fucking hilarious. I saw it this week. Thank you. Crazy funny.

So good. Watch it, download it, do it all. And that's it. Jason? League, right now? Oh, the league, bro.

Bro, the league, bro. The league, bro. Oh, bro. League, bro. I loved your, I loved your episode that you and Seth wrote. Oh, thank you.

So funny. That was really funny. Very divisive episode. Lots of love for it. Lots of hate for it. Yeah, my wife leaves the room when the league comes on. So I was like trying to tell her about just like, I don't care. That shows too mean.

Well, thank you guys for listening. Thank you, Ed. And see you next time. Thanks for having me.