How Did This Get Made? - Diana: The Musical LIVE! (HDTGM Matinee)

Episode Date: November 18, 2025

Imagine a very creative sixth grader decided to do a musical book report on Princess Diana and you get the 2021 film, Diana: The Musical. LIVE from Largo in Los Angeles, Paul declares his love of the ...film’s stage design and gives us a taste of his British accent which is completely chuffed now, innit bruv? June schools Paul and Jason on the history of the Royals and Jason ponders if Paul reveals TOO MUCH of his personal information. (Ep. #291 Originally Released 04/21/2022) • Go to hdtgm.com for tour dates, merch, FAQs, and more• Have a Last Looks correction or omission? Call 619-PAULASK to leave us a voicemail!• Submit your Last Looks theme song to us here• Join the HDTGM conversation on Discord: discord.gg/hdtgm• Buy merch at howdidthisgetmade.dashery.com/• Order Paul’s book about his childhood: Joyful Recollections of Trauma• Shop our new hat collection at podswag.com• Paul’s Discord: discord.gg/paulscheer• Paul’s YouTube page: youtube.com/paulscheer• Follow Paul on Letterboxd: letterboxd.com/paulscheer• Subscribe to Enter The Dark Web w/ Paul & Rob Huebel: youtube.com/@enterthedarkweb• Listen to Unspooled with Paul & Amy Nicholson: unspooledpodcast.com• Listen to The Deep Dive with June & Jessica St. Clair: thedeepdiveacademy.com/podcast• Instagram: @hdtgm, @paulscheer, & @junediane• Twitter: @hdtgm, @paulscheer, & msjunediane  • Jason is not on social media• Episode transcripts available at how-did-this-get-made.simplecast.com/episodesGet access to all the podcasts you love, music channels and radio shows with the SiriusXM App! Get 3 months free using the link: siriusxm.com/hdtgm Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Just because you are singing words doesn't mean it's a song. You know what that means. We saw Diana the musical, so you know what that means. So you know what that means. Please. I'm just going to be The air of star! I think it's a scorcerated world baby in his belly
Starting point is 00:00:29 like a wild stove, that's rock, whipping just into Kelly. A man you see a burl that show with it crow and take up over speed to hitting groups control. Jane there, big Paul in the beautiful dream when they take you from the pool all the way with the road. Bring the in the street body hope to blow off steam.
Starting point is 00:00:45 Just a sucker punch the odd life for tip in the bridge. Stop a little, blood democ, democ, how he's standing alive. They call him a bad ass, and he's on the line. Cranking 88 minutes, because they're cool as ice. Because the bad Jim, Farnie looking kind and nice. All is June getting litter, well, Jason is getting laid. Jewel is making sure all the monkey shots get paid. There's just a bunch of movies while they're making the grade.
Starting point is 00:01:06 Here's a real question for you. How did this get paid? Hello people of Earth! Hello people of Los Angeles! We are live at Largo, our L.A. home. A home where musical theater reigns supreme. Ladies and gentlemen, we are talking about a musical that makes you think that cats is genius.
Starting point is 00:01:43 Truly watching this, I had so many thoughts. And we're going to get into those thoughts. But if you did not see Diana, the musical, on Broadway or Netflix, they're the same, with the exception of a couple weird camera angles that are so jarring to make the audience very unnerved. What do you need to know? Well, imagine a very creative sixth or seventh grader who decided to do a report on, Princess Diana, and said, I'm going to make my book report different.
Starting point is 00:02:23 I'll make it one where I sing. That's all you need to know. So it is about that level. It covers the entire life of Diana, or at least from 19 till the end. And wow, they merge some shit together in ways that are shocking. I think she has two babies in the same song.
Starting point is 00:02:48 But, again, there's so much to get into, and there are two great people to talk about it with, please welcome to the stage. My call us Jason Manzoukis. What's up, jerks? Wow. Wow. Show of hands or clapping.
Starting point is 00:03:16 Who was here for Stone? cold. Why are we being punished? We saw greatness. And then you give us this? This movie is a war crime.
Starting point is 00:03:34 Jason. Take this movie to the Hague. This musical adaptation of a Broadway stage show is a war crime. You know how I feel about musical.
Starting point is 00:03:48 I know, you love them. Never mind, never mind failed ones. This is, I looked it up, I looked it up, a Wikipedia entry set to song. That's all it is. That's, now I'm here doing this. Uh-oh, SpaghettiOs. What?
Starting point is 00:04:07 What is this movie? References. This was pulled from this novel. Um, everything, footnotes, footnote, Ibid. No, this is clearly the British Hamilton. I will not take no foreign answer about it. By the way, I wouldn't believe that.
Starting point is 00:04:28 I wouldn't believe. If you told me that the UK had embraced this and it was the biggest musical there, I would be like, those fucking idiots. The UK even said fuck this musical. But anyway, there's one person who has seen this musical not once but twice. She's my other co-host.
Starting point is 00:04:48 Please welcome June, Diane Raphiel. How are you, June? I'm okay. How are you, Paul? I'm well. Thank you for asking. June... Twice?
Starting point is 00:05:09 So, I saw it once. I saw the whole thing. in the theater? No, I saw the motion picture, question mark. It's a movie. Is it, I actually want to get into that in a second. I think legally it shouldn't be defined as a movie. It's more of like a presentation.
Starting point is 00:05:28 Yes. I'm telling you, it is a book report set to music. If a sixth grade kid did this, you'd be like, whoa, you are, you, if you went to school, you might have something. I don't know the name of any of the actors in it. They're all doing their absolute best. But if you told me this was filmed by their parents, I would believe you. If you told me this was filmed by the actress' parents
Starting point is 00:05:53 being like, great job, hon. I would believe you, because this felt like absolute nonsense. And like a high school production. I'm going to report from my second viewing right now. Please. So now I'm wearing the hat of someone who's seen it twice. And I got to tell you guys, because I bet everybody just saw it once.
Starting point is 00:06:14 Well, I have heard Internet rumors that if you see it twice, it leads to madness. I didn't see the whole thing twice, but I watched it once and then I was getting... Just the best parts.
Starting point is 00:06:27 I was getting ready and I thought, I'm going to put it back on. And I put it back on and I genuinely started to enjoy it. So I don't know. By the way, June, tell people the, like,
Starting point is 00:06:43 how long is the... took from viewing one to viewing two? Oh, probably about four hours. Yeah. Oh, whoa, whoa. Oh, I thought you meant like you saw it weeks ago. No, no, no, no. No, today.
Starting point is 00:06:59 This is... Today. This is wild. This is... I suspect that we could have you legally institutionalized. Okay. We could 51-50 you right now. This is an important piece of information.
Starting point is 00:07:16 The first viewing... This is a cry for help. Okay. If there's a medical professional, a mental health professional in the house. The first viewing, I saw it in my sauna bed. So that's always going to... That's always going to affect things. Right.
Starting point is 00:07:30 Because I'm sweating profusely. And I'm a little out of it. This would be what you would see in, like, a waking dream. Like, yeah, it has that kind of, yeah, mirage quality. And then in the light of day, showered, I've, eaten something I worked out and I was like let's put it on again and I think we should I think we should start doing live shows on stage in sauna beds in standing sauna beds just to see how the heat affects the viewing we should be watching movies and sauna beds and then doing the podcast in sauna or we could
Starting point is 00:08:06 also have the audience in sauna we could if we could get a sauna bed to let's just pump the heat up right now Yeah. Let's hot yoga this place. This is good. I wanted to announce that you're doing a special show in Sedona. It's going to be 140 degrees in the room. You all have to be in Downward Dog the entire time. The musical starts off weird because the first song, the term underestimated, is said a lot. And I was like, that is a hard term to make like your lead thesis statement. Well, like you're open.
Starting point is 00:08:42 is like, duh, I'm underestimated. And I didn't know where we were finding her in that first number. Like, and I, you know, I thought the actors did just a fine job. But before we even get into the movie, I, where I'm stuck is just on the why. On the. I love that. Yeah. I don't want to get too.
Starting point is 00:09:02 I don't want to go to. Yeah. But I also would, I'm going to ask you right now, you just watched it twice today. Yes. I watched it today. How many people? here watched it today. That's a good bit.
Starting point is 00:09:15 Within 24 hours, right? Let's all decide we're going to clap, not raise hands. Because you're fucking up the system. Some of you are clapping, some of you are raising your hands. Get it together. Choose as an audience before you come in. Okay. Now, could anybody right now sing one of the songs?
Starting point is 00:09:38 Someone can. Really? Really? All right, hold on. Do you have some sort of relationship to it? No. Okay, great. Stand up.
Starting point is 00:09:47 Stand up right now. Everyone be as quiet as you can be. Everybody shut your fucking mouth. Don't come. You don't have to come up. No notes. No notes. You stay there.
Starting point is 00:09:54 I'll hold the mic towards you. Pretty pretty girl. Pretty pretty girl and a pretty pretty dress. I think the songs are well done. That was great. Well, I'm going to be honest. That person made me look like a great-A asshole. Yep.
Starting point is 00:10:15 So fuck you. Michael, take him out. But my point was going to be how unmemorable every song was. The only song I truly remember is the fuck-you-dress. The fuckety, fuck-a-fuckety-fuckety-fuckety. Because it's so crazy. But that's not, all you remember is that little bit of wordplay.
Starting point is 00:10:32 Right. You don't remember the song. No, but that's what I'm saying. These songs are complicated. They are like underestimated. It's like, I'm not like, I can't like just gravitate to that. I tried to listen to it and Spotify on the way here. Why?
Starting point is 00:10:48 Again, I wanted to just. Why were you trying to drive into oncoming traffic? Well, here is my... Like, there should be a trigger warning in front of this because it might cause such desolation and despair. This is what I wanted to ask, because I think it goes hand in hand with what you are asking, which is pretend we know nothing about the princess.
Starting point is 00:11:11 at all. We don't know anything about Diana. Does this musical work to let you know who she was? And I think, no. Or it gives you a very warped idea of who she is because she seems at points to be incredibly vindictive,
Starting point is 00:11:27 then it points to be like a child, then it points to be... Well, you know, is this movie's protagonist. Like, what is the point of view of this movie? I think it's that romance novelist, Barbara... Oh, I love... Barbara, is it Barbara Corcoran? Barbara Corcoran from Shark Tank?
Starting point is 00:11:44 When she, when Barbara Corcoran comes back on HGTV, when Barbara Corcoran comes back, when she comes back an hour into the play and like, oh, and now this is what's going on. Wait, where were you? You're the narrator now? Where were you? And that's actually like, this is, again,
Starting point is 00:12:02 I still haven't gotten an answer on just why. Why? But it could have been a cool device. to actually tell the story as a romance novel or when Barbara's introduced to have the whole stage turn into like this crazy romance novel that she's describing, but there's, none of that happens.
Starting point is 00:12:21 Or have her be the narrator. Or have her tell the story from start to finish. Why not have an overarching structure that is this story's being told to someone with a point of view? We do it with our town, but Jason Statham is like, hey, listen up, Governor.
Starting point is 00:12:36 Back when I was a kid, there was this crazy dame. and here's a story I'm going to tell you right now. You know, something like that. I would like you to film those pieces and somebody edit them in. Boy then. Now, she don't talk like that, does she? But I'll tell you this.
Starting point is 00:12:55 Back to my original question, though, Paul. So there's Diana the musical, which was on Broadway? Well, yes, it was on Broadway. Wow. So that was on Broadway. Yes. It's a bold choice to record it without an audience. For how long?
Starting point is 00:13:08 Well, I mean, we can get it. into it. Hold on. It's got to be like, if it ran more than a month, I'll give you $10,000. I know Nate Kylie did our research and I know that there is a couple of things here which they were just about to
Starting point is 00:13:23 open and then COVID shut it down so they were like, oh let's take it while we're fresh. Yeah. And then when we've lost so many greats. And then when COVID subsided a little bit and Broadway came back, it reopened and no one came. And then it shut
Starting point is 00:13:39 well yeah as it should the the show is not successful and then netflix says let's put cameras on it no the show is about to open and then they felt they thought they were going to get in on the ground floor like I think they were like this will be our Hamilton the same way that they released Hamilton uh you know the live stage version of it Disney moved it up so I think they were like well this cast is ready to go if we do it COVID safe with no audience but this is what I don't understand because there are there are musicals that they do film so and you sometimes when you're outside of the theater there's a little TV and they play clips from the musical and those clips actually have some energy behind them I mean still not the show but it's like you can feel something happening there's an
Starting point is 00:14:27 audience for most of them there is an audience for I don't know because the cameras are close but it just feels like they're performing for an audience and it feels like there's an energy to the performance and this was so odd. It's so dead. This felt like an industrial. Yes, exactly. It felt like an industrial musical. It did not.
Starting point is 00:14:50 It felt like, like I said, a Wikipedia entry set to music. It was without emotionality for an emotion, such an emotional story. It was everything, everybody's delivery was flat. And it was just, we're here to sing the plot. But that's it. Yeah, period. We're going to. Joylessly.
Starting point is 00:15:09 But I also feel like they did Diana Dirty because... Dirty Diana? Dirty Diana. Like, by the way... I did not see that coming when I said that. I was shocked by that. I will tell you who I liked. I will tell you who I liked Camilla Parker Bowls.
Starting point is 00:15:27 Okay. Yes. She is good and... I love that they introduce her and Charles is basically like, you're ugly. And I didn't mean it like that. And I was like, what the fuck is this? And you, listen, I thought she was good.
Starting point is 00:15:44 It's always going to be hard for me to get on board with Camilla. Why? Why is it hard, June? Why? Well, I mean. Because my understanding of it is pretty base. I don't, I haven't watched the crown. I didn't see, you know, the, I didn't see.
Starting point is 00:16:03 Have you heard the tapes? No. Oh, what tapes? The Diana tapes that. Did you guys watch this movie? I watched it twice. Here's what I'll say. I know astonishingly little about this story.
Starting point is 00:16:16 Okay. For being so much in the... And that's hard because now after seeing this, I feel like you know less. Yes. Well, that's what I'm saying. Well, this is my first introduction to the hunk known as James Hewitt.
Starting point is 00:16:27 Love James Hewitt. I'm sure there are others here who know more about like the truth and can dramaturg this story better than I can. But I, well, I did not know, or it was new information to me that Camilla kind of arranged the marriage. Well, that's what I thought was so compelling. I never heard that before, but maybe that's true. Maybe that is true.
Starting point is 00:16:52 That is true. Okay. Yeah. No. There's a little bit. There was about a 50, 25 there. 50%. Yes.
Starting point is 00:17:00 You know what? Listen, you know what I heard for the first time as though it was brand new information? I had never taken in the fact. that Diana was 19 and he was 32. Yes. And she was a virgin, which I also didn't know. Yeah. Like a teenager.
Starting point is 00:17:17 She was a teen. She was a teen. And she had pictures of him on her wall. And that felt not true to me. But I guess because are she longing after this man? He's royalty. And he was the prince. And he was definitely, he was always an odd looking guy.
Starting point is 00:17:34 But he was the prince. Okay. Yeah. I do think she loved him. I did not know, and maybe this would have, maybe this is part of if I'd watch the crown or something like that, I did not know that her sister had dated him prior. That's how she met him.
Starting point is 00:17:46 And it seemed to me to be like, the sister seemed to be fully dialed in on the bullshit of the situation. Yeah. And I was a little bit like, hey, like, protect Diana. Older sister. Yeah. Well, listen, I think, I think that, and we've seen it with Megan Markle, the family members are also so excited that the royals are coming to,
Starting point is 00:18:07 dinner, you know, that they overlook a lot of the stuff. Well, look, the idea was just suck it up because you are going to be and that's what the message of the... I mean, it gets going quick. I mean, this movie is an hour and 57 minutes. They got to cover of life. And like I said, they are compacting a lot of stuff in there because you're meeting Camilla, they're on their first date,
Starting point is 00:18:31 she's in the dress, and by the way, the costume changes A-plus. But the one thing I knew, the only... By the way, I do want to direct everyone to an incredible performance by the woman of directed promising young woman who's Camilla in the Crown. Yes. And that scene, that, you should watch that. Because there's a scene between Camilla and Diana in the Crown. That's one of the best scenes on TV.
Starting point is 00:18:55 So there are other, not that this, Camilla wasn't good. Like, are you telling me it's better than this musical number between the face of the final face off when the, let's take a look. Stop this now You've had your goddamn fun We'll take our leave Your little stunt is done Can you stop for a second? What, this is a ripping off another song
Starting point is 00:19:24 What song? Paradise by the Dashboard Lights, right? Ish. Ish. It's like, I'm gonna stop right now. Yeah, that's, I mean, but it's not the same, yeah. Stop this now. You've had your goddamn fun
Starting point is 00:19:41 We'll take our leave Your little stunt is done Ladies and gentlemen Now this is a show And I must row for the flow by blow Is the thriller in the middle of a twist Can you pause for a second? I'm going to say the shoulder work
Starting point is 00:20:00 That was choreography One afternoon they showed up And we're like today we're going to do next stuff whoever choreographed this musical was into doing aggressive shoulder work the bellhops had aggressive shoulders the buys everyone's popping that shoulder they're popping that shoulder like they pop those flash bulbs
Starting point is 00:20:23 on top of those old-timey cameras which I mean I also feel like that shows like how weirdly dated it was too these these a paparazzi in the trench coats running around like a Batman Commissioner Gordon and like, hey, snap, crackle, pop, you know, whatever the fuck they were saying. I would like it if it was snap, crackle pop, honestly. But there were these moments
Starting point is 00:20:43 and the thing that falls so flat, and I would just go back to what you were saying, June, about the emptiness of it. They are performing the hell out of it. I think they're doing the best of the material that they have. Oh, they're giving it their all. They don't change a fucking word,
Starting point is 00:20:56 and there are like Broadway laugh lines. And I mean that in the sense of, if you ever see a Broadway show, they're like dumb, fucking dumb jokes, but they know, this will work. And it's like Duran Duran. and they hold... Durand, Durand, Durand, Durand.
Starting point is 00:21:08 Durand, Durand. And they hold, like, for laugh, but it's just... You're right, they do hold for laughs. Deadly silent. And they do it three times. Like, no one said, like, you know what? Just speed through those jokes because there's no laughter coming.
Starting point is 00:21:23 And that was unnerving to me. But why wouldn't the cast to me... So you weren't laughing during those little briefs? I was like, ha, ha, ha! And I was looking around and I found no one. June, that might have just been. the delirium of the sauna bed probably
Starting point is 00:21:38 I wrote down so many lyrics that now I'm like why where the prince could hear some prince and we'd all be funkadelic the obsession with Princess Die and pop music now the one thing I knew
Starting point is 00:21:54 the one thing I was very familiar with and tell me if I'm right or wrong you may or may not know this was didn't Princess Diana perform Uptown girl at okay so but in the musical, she does a ballet number. The whole thing is about her loving pop music.
Starting point is 00:22:12 And at that one point, it's like, well, we can't get the rights of Billy Joel, so we're going to make her fucking dance ballet. Well, I don't, I think both things happened. Both things happened. Both at the same time? A ballet to uptown girl. There's a big deal about her.
Starting point is 00:22:27 Like, she offered that to him as a birthday gift, that that was going to be her offering. Oh, like her Marilyn Monroe kind of happy birthday. Yes, and it fell really flat. He's such a dick. I fucking hate him. I'll say this. I'll say this.
Starting point is 00:22:42 I found him to be charming in the musical, though. This gets to like the whole point of the musical. It's enough. For me, the whole musical really just, to me, feels like I don't understand why we even want to watch the royals. This is, these are, this is a play about villains. Right? This is a play about the monarchy.
Starting point is 00:23:05 are unquestionably villains, right? And we are asked over and over again to root for them. Yes. Somehow or believe that they are all trying to do their best, when this play should be about villains acting villainous, right? But instead, everybody's like, I'm just doing the best I can trying to raise these boys. Well, that's why I think it was not, it was troubling to have Camilla.
Starting point is 00:23:32 I know you loved her so much, Paul. but to have her be so sympathetic because Oh, but they can have their Sundays bad. It doesn't work for the story. Here's the thing, Royals. I don't give a fuck if you don't get to have your Sundays back. You fucks? But here, to my point is, from the moment the play starts,
Starting point is 00:23:55 musical, play, movie, whatever you want to call it, it's all. They tell you, royals are bad. this is bad it's going to end bad and I think from a story perspective that's not the best way like I would have liked to at least like I feel like everyone's warning her so I feel like Princess Diana comes off
Starting point is 00:24:16 really dumb or vindictive I come off I like Princess Diana and I come off from here going like well she's kind of like well she's fucking that guy first right or she's fucking him and then she's going there and she's like you want to dance with me and then I'm like where she's at I'll tell you
Starting point is 00:24:31 where she's at I'll be back. I have issues with the movie, too. But Charles was having an affair with Camilla before they were married. Throughout. That continued throughout. But then she starts. Yes, she does.
Starting point is 00:24:46 Yes. Absolutely. But he never stopped. Never stopped, not a once. And it was a loveless marriage and he was so punishing toward her and humiliated her over and over. Well, he did that fun dance. Oh, my God. I mean, look at this.
Starting point is 00:25:00 You know, like you say all this. bad stuff about him, but then all of a sudden... But we're asked in the musical over and over again to root for he and Camilla to be together. Well, but I'm running for this guy who, when the cello comes out and it gets funky, he can dance. They had to rehearse this for weeks. For weeks, they rehearsed this. They went home to their loved ones at night and said, it's bad.
Starting point is 00:25:36 Yeah. It's bad. I'm fucked and I know so much choreography. What is so crazy about this? They worked so hard. The choreography, they're in time. The choreography is great, but what I was guess is like, they're not even parodying dance moves that we know.
Starting point is 00:25:55 At least like when you see that scene in Pulp Fiction, you're like, oh, I recognize these dance moves. I'm sorry, Paul, I'm going to interrupt you. These are famous British dance moves. These motherfuckers can't dance. You do the left. You do the left. Then you do the Thames.
Starting point is 00:26:10 And then you come over here. You do the... You do the Thames? All right then. You do the Tames. You do the Tames. And I want to stress this because, in case listeners perhaps,
Starting point is 00:26:28 didn't watch the movie, the actors and the performers, the dancers, the entire company is really doing the equivalent of a Broadway. It is. It's a Broadway show. And it is executed flawlessly. It is terrible. But when you really think about it, they put months of work into design,
Starting point is 00:26:50 months of work, everyday rehearsing, learning choreography, the choreographers, designing choreography, all for this. I know. It will live forever on Netflix. It will never live forever on Broadway. You know all of these people were in the shower before they had to go in.
Starting point is 00:27:09 I'm going to say, yeah. I'll say this. Eight shows a week. Eight shows a week. I don't think they even got that. No. But what if you had to do that for eight shows? I don't know.
Starting point is 00:27:23 That is wild. I interrupted you. So I was saying I was falling in love with this prince, Prince Charles. is in a fantasy sequence. This isn't Charles. So she never played the cello like a piano? And she didn't want everyone to be cool and be like a rock star?
Starting point is 00:27:44 Because what I'm getting from this is like, I'm getting Princess Diana is Hannah Montana. And she's like, oh, shucks, I'm married a real stick in the mud. Well, the aspirational song is the song, is the song where she gets access to couture. You know, the difference is I'm throwing away the old clothes and I'm choosing my own clothes, right? Yeah. And that is the song that is like now I am myself.
Starting point is 00:28:09 Well, I read that differently. I think that song is more, I now understand how that I'm a commodity here. So I understand that I'm the most photograph of woman in the world. And so I'm going to, she starts playing into it more. But then when she goes to the AIDS ward, which happens in the musical, it seems like she's doing that as like a move of revenge. But I guess she is... You have so much to learn about her.
Starting point is 00:28:37 No, I think that's... I am learning it from the musical. I think that was meant to be humanitarian, genuinely humanitarian. I know, but the way that I'm not... I'm very uncomfortable. I'm not saying what I just want to draw the line here because I want to make sure that I'm clear. I understand how it was done in real life.
Starting point is 00:28:55 I think the musical does her a disservice because it's position. like that in the musical, like, huh, what can I do to really piss them off? I'll go to the AIDS ward and shake their hands. Like, that's what it really, it feels real petulant to me. I'm not saying that that's who she is.
Starting point is 00:29:12 I mean, this musical doesn't do a good job of telling you. And the reason why you have your reading and I have my reading is that I know her. So I'm not looking for. Well, then it's a failure as a piece of art if you need to know. That's what I'm saying. I don't disagree.
Starting point is 00:29:30 But, I mean, the question you have to ask yourself is, why don't you know her better? I watched the Royal Wedding. I saw it live. And then, you know what I said? When you were three? We were three years old? It was a very big thing in my house, the Royal Wedding. I remember it.
Starting point is 00:29:47 I remember it as a very, I remember sitting in front of the TV watching. Yeah. It was a very big thing. My mom was a very big princess die fan. It was a very big thing in our house, yeah. And so that was, like, but I don't get involved in their business. I let them do their own. So we don't have you to blame for her death.
Starting point is 00:30:06 But I do, no, but I do want to read that book that they, well, now that was the other thing. Because in the, okay, again, a thing or I'm confused. In the musical, she goes, I'm calling up this gossip reporter we've never heard of before, and I guess we're all supposed to know. And she's like, I'm going to tell you everything, but you has to be anonymous. And then the book comes out and it's like, Princess. in her own words. I'm like, well, wait, when did that, what happened? Where is the switch? Why didn't we, why, are we supposed to know this other story that, like, why he, did he sell
Starting point is 00:30:36 her out? Is she mad? I don't know all those details, but I think, I do think the musical. These are valid questions, though, am I right? I don't know all those details. I do think the music on the storytelling assumes, now this was, this isn't my Diana, you know, and so I. Your Diana isn't the one who says, I'm no intellect. Maybe there's a cool discotheque where That's not my Diana. Here's some prints.
Starting point is 00:30:59 And then we'd all get Funkadelic. Then don't create a scene. You're auditioning to be his queen. No. Pet Shop boys, come on, come on. Make some noise. Give it up for Adamant. Where are you, Diana, huh?
Starting point is 00:31:15 I feel as though, and even though I just have said how much work went into this and all of that, it felt to me on a level of a group of very good, improvisational singers arrived at the theater and said, can we get a suggestion?
Starting point is 00:31:31 Someone said, Princess Diana. And this is what they did. And by the way, if I thought this, in those circumstances, I'd be like, wow. I'd be like, they're geniuses. And I'd think everyone go see them. They are amazing. Blow your mind.
Starting point is 00:31:47 Do you ever see improvise Shakespeare? They're like them, but they do it to musicals. It was amazing. It was incredible. See, I took it as someone told them, you have exactly one hour and 57 minutes to tell every detail about this woman's life, go. And they give nothing weight.
Starting point is 00:32:06 They, because they really do. They gotta just get to the next thing. She has two, I said it before, she has two babies in one song. And the trouble with creating a musical around this is also we know the ending. Well, I don't, do you all know what happened to her? I was surprised.
Starting point is 00:32:21 I was surprised. I did know, I did know the ending. I did know the end. I did know the ending. I only looked it up afterwards that that's not Diana. I was like, she's doing good. When we already know where she's headed, it's hard to ever feel that, you know,
Starting point is 00:32:38 this is a hero's journey and that she's going to get redemption because we ultimately know that they killed her. Well, not only that, but here is to me the true offense of all of this, which is, yes, it is the story of Diana theoretically, right? but it is so respectful of the royal family, who, again, are villains, so much so that the final word of the musical is given to Charles.
Starting point is 00:33:06 Yes. I was like, shame on you. Well, that's right. Shame on you. You can't do that. Now this is where I'll get you back on my side. I found the end to be terrible because I felt like all of a sudden
Starting point is 00:33:20 these people who were treated her like, shit, are the ones like going like, oh, so sad. So sad. You're fault. You did this. They have no, they have no, they don't. It should end with them in prison. Or, for sure.
Starting point is 00:33:32 And all of the land that they hold given back to the people. Or, what are we doing? I mean, listen, I do think the Royals, I mean, they essentially function as a tourist attraction now. But they own all the land. They do. But, but there is a sense, I mean, I don't know, is anyone British here and would you care to speak on the Royals? But I does feel like there, there's just an, A tourism economy.
Starting point is 00:33:56 Boy, I'm part British. What you want to know? I'm shocked you don't get more of jobs with that accent. That crazy bag, go punching mirrors all the time. Oh, Paul, I just got a text. Guy Ritchie needs to talk to you. Oh, wow. A snatch prequel, here I come.
Starting point is 00:34:21 Mini Snatch. I got to go back, though, to when someone made the call to put cameras on this. Like, I still need to understand a little bit more. So it's barely up for a week and they anticipate, like, this is going to be huge. Because Hamilton sold for so much money in success. By the way, this is such a take. They were like, Hamilton's this. I think they were like, let's get in before.
Starting point is 00:34:52 Let's license this before it becomes obviously a mega hit. We'll get it cheap rather than bidding on it later when it's all big. Because Hamilton, what was it? It sold for $65 million? Just that, just something crazy. Yeah, it was a huge sale. My guess is they saw that and we're like,
Starting point is 00:35:10 oh, we can get in on the before this even blows off. Netflix knows exactly what they're doing. They're like, we got the crown, and now we're going to give you, like, you need another season, we got to edit that shit. So watch this, you dummies. And I'm sure so many people watch because... Oh, you know your mom watched this.
Starting point is 00:35:27 Oh, absolutely. And I'm going to tell you people watched it and they fucking loved it. Like, I don't think this is like... Because again, it's Netflix. You didn't go to the theater. There's no expectation. You're like, that was cute. Out of curiosity.
Starting point is 00:35:40 Out of curiosity, for those of you who watched it in the audience, like myself. You don't watch it with my mom. Let me know. How many of you were shocked to find out that this was a filmed live performance? I thought I was going to be watching, like, cats. I was shocked that now we've just decided on small clips? I just raised my hand. This audience is not giving it up there.
Starting point is 00:36:05 I don't know about your guys. Honestly, I think I hate it. I just assumed, yeah, I assumed this is Diana the musical. I was like, oh, cool, okay. Yeah, it was a, it was a movie. Yes. I also was shocked that it was a film state. adaptation. I thought it was going to be a musical film. I will tell you that if you think about it,
Starting point is 00:36:28 like the Crown is out. You have that movie Spencer, which is, you know, which is out and getting a war to claim. And then this. And also Diana the Tapes. And Diane. Oh, wait, what's what's that? If you head on to Netflix, there's another docu-series called Diana the tapes. So Netflix is just kind of cornering the market of Diana. The Diana Market. Stuff. Yeah. So if you want to sell a show right now, It sounds like putting Diana in is a showfire bad at Netflix. Fascinating. I mean, I will say that, you know, what I was surprised at was the person who wrote it for the stage,
Starting point is 00:37:05 he did write Toxic Avenger the musical, which is the trauma film, Toxic Avengers. So he did come from that. But also, he was the keyboard player for Bon Jovi. He was the composer. His name is David Bryan. And, yeah, so these guys, I think, had, they also. wrote this. Because I was going to say, it had like real like rock and roll music vibe. Yes. You know, which
Starting point is 00:37:27 surprised me also that I was like, oh, this is way more like electric guitar forward than I would have thought for a Broadway musical show. But it didn't feel like it continued throughout the whole thing. No, it was a mess. But these guys these guys who work together, the other one is Joe DePetro, they wrote this other thing. If you're in New York City, I know that you probably both know I'm going to talk about is I love you, you're perfect now change.
Starting point is 00:37:52 That was what they wrote before this. So I think they come from a more comedy background. So it's like Toxic Avenger. I love you. You're perfect. Now change. And Diana, the musical. One of those things doesn't really fit.
Starting point is 00:38:07 Like I could see like the funny version. Well, I guess I don't know what the funny version is. But I guess like there's a part of me that's like. Let's pitch it out though. What is the fun? You know what? It's the story of. I think this is the funny version
Starting point is 00:38:24 I do like this is the funny version right here Officer Hewis I hear you offer lessons There's only one type of lesson I offer Writing lessons Boom Oh oh oh James Hewett Oh I assume your husband gives you writing lessons He's tried he's not very good
Starting point is 00:38:39 Oh oh oh You can't girl Perhaps he just doesn't have the proper horse And do you have the proper horse Your Royal Highness I think you'd adore my horse Oh, all right, all right. I just made up those bits of dialogue.
Starting point is 00:38:56 But aren't they delicious? They are. No response. Zero response. But that should be our window character. But by the way... Sure. By the way, I think I do a better British accent than she does.
Starting point is 00:39:09 But I will say this. Why stop the musical to say I made that up? So you telling me the rest is all transcripts? You tell me the rest is letter perfect? to what actually happened that fucked me up it was like all right we went too far here
Starting point is 00:39:28 the rest of the shit we took some liberties just there just there but everything else everything else perfect like truly document like Ken Burns before this I got it and I got a little silly but that was like
Starting point is 00:39:43 when this happened when James Hewitt arrived and I was like okay okay got it got it I did that thing where I'm like okay this has got to be like, we're getting to the end here, one hour left. I had a panic attack. Yeah. Because I was already feeling unwell.
Starting point is 00:40:04 Yeah. From what I'd watched so far. To have one, to click on that status bar and see that you have one hour left in this abject nightmare scape. All right. It was quite long. Now, is James Hewitt the one that there are rumors is Harry's father? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:40:22 Because he looks like Harry. Looks just like him, doesn't he? And then, I mean... Here they're like, he looks like Hugh Grant, though. Here they give him Hugh Grant floppy hair. And James Hewitt wrote a book about Diana, too, and he was kind of really out... I did a little deep dive on James Hewitt because I was like, who is this hunky dude? And he seems to have had a rough go of it afterwards, because he wrote a tell-all novel.
Starting point is 00:40:45 He feels very badly about it. It looks like it took a toll on him. A tell-all novel? Oh, well, he took some liberties here. Fictionalized it? Tell all books, sorry. I'm telling everything, but it's fiction. It's like primary colors, the book.
Starting point is 00:41:03 But yeah, there was something really interesting about, I mean, oh boy, I have so many questions about Diana and you, because I also felt like they had a good thing, but did she not really like him? I think she, I don't know, obviously, but I think that she... It's so hard, so hard to get access to what really happened when this is your only, when this is your, I'm trying to be that person. I'm trying to remember from the tapes. I think that, I do think she loved Charles and that, no, she didn't necessarily want a life with James Hew, but she wanted out of that marriage. Right. So, but she, but in the play, she often says, like, I have been through divorce and I know that I'm not having that happen.
Starting point is 00:41:49 again. She talks about divorce as if I've murdered someone and I will never murder anyone ever. I'm like wow, you're really upset about divorce. But she really has like that, like I just think that all of her like she's getting out of bed, she's really happy with James Hewitt and then she's going to talk to Charles
Starting point is 00:42:08 and she's like, hey, what's up? And he's like, hey, leave me alone. And I'm like, I don't know where you're at. I don't know where you're at. I thought you were happy. You really weren't, didn't have access to the interiority of this character. And I had a problem. But here's what I will tell you, I turned it on, I saw an hour and 57 minutes. I was like, you know what I'll do? I'll watch 30 minutes tonight, I'll watch 30 minutes
Starting point is 00:42:25 tomorrow, and then I'll finish before the show. I couldn't turn it off. Couldn't turn it off. And then when I saw it was like 20 minutes left, I was like, well, I can finish it tomorrow. It's one in the morning. I'm like, I can't. I can't finish it now. I understand. And then when the credit started rolling, it was like, maybe there's a post-credit scene. And there was.
Starting point is 00:42:43 And there was. There was? Yeah, it shows them rehearsing with the fucking mask on and stuff. Play it. I never saw it. Oh, I didn't see that. Well, yeah. It's like... I didn't see that. I watched it the exact opposite way. I was like... I was in a full flop sweat. 20 minutes in. Not in a sauna bed. Not in a sauna bed. I wish. I was like, I can't handle this. I'm not well. This makes me feel not safe. This makes... I don't like... I don't like any of what's happening. I don't like... I don't like musicals. Never mind one that is this catastrophically bad. Paul, I feel like you're showing the audience too much. I went too quick.
Starting point is 00:43:25 Okay, something really scary happened on our Netflix account, and I think we deleted it, but all of a sudden another profile was there. Whoa. Probably because of things like this. By the way, I think we just found out how that happened. It was really spooky, and someone had been watching things. Anything good?
Starting point is 00:43:47 I don't remember. Maybe they were trying to recommend good. It felt like a teenager and I was like, oh, is there a babysitter or someone who, if it's a hard thing. Pardon interruption. This tile is not available to watch right now. Why not? Oh, there it is. Maybe it's playing at our house at the same time. Oh, it is. It's on in the bedroom. Oh. Wait. It's on. You just keep it. You keep it going? I paused it. I paused it. I mean I think some of this play can be summed up I do have one note
Starting point is 00:44:25 Oh no you do well I'm going to work it won't work forget I was going to say I have one note here for myself that I just wrote down Which is musicals are hard But I will say these actors make it look good I don't I want to again say They're doing a great job with truly catastrophically bad material The set design the costume changes And even though there was a lot of a great
Starting point is 00:44:49 aggressive shoulder movement. The choreography was pretty much on point. Like, they were really, I don't think the choreography was great, but they were in sync. I beg to differ. And I could be impressed with that. Well, I'm going to say something else, Paul, which is I thought the costumes were terrible.
Starting point is 00:45:02 I thought the set was terrible. Whoa. And I thought the choreography was terrible. Really? Yeah. It was. But they're doing their best. Like, again, the performers are doing it.
Starting point is 00:45:16 We're talking about quick changes. This is not a movie. That's why I'm saying, like, if you're doing this on stage, eight nights a week, like, and you're covering eight nights a week? But, Paul, you don't... Eight shows a week. Eight shows a week. Eight shows a week. But you don't go to a musical to be taken away by the quickness of the costume changes. Yes, you do. I mean, you're lost in the story. Are you telling me, June, are you telling me that when you go see Oklahoma, you're like, oh, it doesn't look like a fucking real farm? I know it's not a real farm. I got to suspend disbelief. That's Buckingham Pals. I see a fucking gate.
Starting point is 00:45:48 There's a bed. I don't need to see the four walls. I'm watching flashes. We got to give it up for a suspension of disbelief. I thought the stage design, and I, I'm not going to say, I'm an expert in this area, but I do feel. That's what you majored in college. I do feel, I know a couple of stage designers. I do feel E. Feinberg, someone I went to high school with.
Starting point is 00:46:09 Get them on the phone. And so I do, I really do appreciate stage design in plays, and I thought this was terrible. Yeah. You didn't like the long table when they. They all took that long table. It went from a bar to a back bar. It was a straight bar. Into a boxing ring.
Starting point is 00:46:27 Yeah. I'm just saying there was nothing interesting about that stage. I know you loved it so much. You loved that stage. I want to be on that stage. I want to be on that floor. You're saying that for you is really the room where it happened. Amen.
Starting point is 00:46:41 Amen. I saw Patty Laplone do Sweenie Todd with no set. And I was there. No, by the way, by the way, I saw the same production. There's a beautiful stage design. It's simple, but it was amazing. You're right. This is...
Starting point is 00:47:00 This makes no sense. Again, this feels like a high school production in... Oh, oh, yeah. When the cello... I was... But you're not impressed with the dress. You weren't impressed with the quick changes. No, Paul.
Starting point is 00:47:13 I'm comfortable saying that is... That is base level. what should be done. Am I comfortable with the fact that they knew their lines? You weren't surprised that they could sing on key? No, that's the job.
Starting point is 00:47:26 I guess I just like live performers doing their craft. I think that's the closest it got to be in a magic trick and you liked that. I did. You're like, that was the point
Starting point is 00:47:37 in the movie where you're like, how'd they do that? And it got your attention. I was all in. I was all in. I did feel uncomfortable for James Hewitt to have a shirt off
Starting point is 00:47:48 for so much of it. On a mechanical bull? Yeah. Or a mechanical horse, I guess. Yeah, I didn't like. I just felt uncomfortable. The James Hewitt's song, too, was fucking bonkers.
Starting point is 00:47:59 I mean, they're all... That one that we just saw? No, no, this one. The one where our romance novelist... No, it's me again, Barbara Conner. Great set. Look at that set. Where are we?
Starting point is 00:48:11 Buckingham Palace. Oh, yes. If your prince leaves you wanting... Hold on. Look at this sage design. God. Red lights. Ooh, the red light district.
Starting point is 00:48:26 I think those are pink to match her dress. That's what I like. Costum matching the set. Red. Red means danger. I don't think it's going to suggest the red light district. Stop. Stop.
Starting point is 00:48:39 This again is entirely set in the world of like extreme wealth. I don't know. This is getting me a little, you know. well good news good news paul bad news june it's playing in your bedroom if you can't afford if you can't afford a man
Starting point is 00:49:01 of war here comes here comes if you can't afford a horse get a saddle on a seat that comes out from the stage how many times you see in that in a Broadway show.
Starting point is 00:49:20 The visual is getting hard on. Great stage design. It's a boner visual. Great stage design and the red lights change to what? Blue. Balls. Hals.
Starting point is 00:49:35 Hugh. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, change you and. Everybody is soaking wet for this guy. I would rather I would rather watch them fuck They had a lot of chemistry
Starting point is 00:49:55 Like genuinely rather watch them fuck So here's James Hewitt But pull up a picture of him During his like riding days Yeah all right so his riding days There's a picture of him with die right now Okay I mean no that's not okay yeah
Starting point is 00:50:10 Wait look at this he looks like a dork On You can't just agree What are you doing? You now have a subscription to the Times. All right every day. I want to buy all the birds to do it. And you're getting advertising.
Starting point is 00:50:28 You just got, your identity is gone. Between the Netflix login and this, you're done. I do it for you, God damn it. You're going to get home tonight. There's going to be 40 more profiles on your Netflix. I know everyone here is cool. All right. You shouldn't be.
Starting point is 00:50:47 You're showing. Going too much. There needs to be a hot did this get made laptop. This is dangerous. Well, there you go. That's what he looks like. You need a burner laptop.
Starting point is 00:51:01 These, fuck, you can't trust these maniacs. They're out there like, fuck, did you see that? What was it? What was it? What was it? What was it? It was Gmail. And there was two, right?
Starting point is 00:51:10 Yeah, two. There's two profiles. Did you get one? You get the top. I'll get the bottom. I thought I was moving pretty quickly. Thank God it's not being taped for Netflix, so you could rewind it and screen grab it and shoot it out.
Starting point is 00:51:22 But look, we have a lot of questions out here. There may be some of my British friends out here. There may be people out here that have different questions. Let's go to you to the audience. Let's have the house lights up a little bit. And I'll just tell you all we are trying to record it. Well, of course, because it's a podcast. And so, because I'm not going to be out there with the mic,
Starting point is 00:51:38 I may have to repeat the questions. So here we go. What do you got? Yeah, right down here. Why do you think it was so important for them to talk about how dumb Diana was? All right, great. So this is important. All right.
Starting point is 00:51:49 So the question here, and what's your name? Montana. And whose side are you on ultimately in this? June side. Okay, you're on June's side. There's no other side to be on. I mean, where's my team, Camilla? Wait, do you think...
Starting point is 00:52:07 Do you think we represent different sides of the... I think that Camilla made the ultimate sacrifice. What are you doing? Oh, my God. Wait, so you are saying... They wouldn't let her marry him. You are saying you are team Camilla. Isn't that the case?
Starting point is 00:52:27 Isn't that the story that they wouldn't let her marry him? She was married! Because she knew it was a dead end. She's like, look, she's like, look, what do you want me to fucking do? I got it. You know, she was already married when she met Charles.
Starting point is 00:52:45 Oh, when she met him? Yes. Well, I think they had known each other for a while. while, but when they were having an affair, she was already married. Oh, okay, I didn't know that. I thought there were, like, long-time, like, high school sweethearts. Like, they went on a field trip to, like, you know, it was a child London. You're acting as if these are people who have had normal lives.
Starting point is 00:53:04 These are monsters. All right. So, the question from Montana was, why did they have to keep on pointing out that she's so dumb? And this actually goes into what I was saying, that they do her a disservice. They make her dumb. They make her like a dumb kid. Yeah, and I don't know. And that's why I do think the play isn't on her side.
Starting point is 00:53:26 Well, I don't think the play is on anyone's side. I think the play is constantly having it both ways with everybody. They both want you to think Charles is an idiot and a villain, but then also believe in the love story of Charles and Camilla and the fact that they miss their Sundays. And they have a romance song. And they want you to believe that. the queen is different than the romance novelist.
Starting point is 00:53:50 She is. What? Are you telling me the queen's not... They're the same person in the musical. I thought that was what the show was trying to prove to me. That's quite a quick change.
Starting point is 00:54:09 That was a good quick change. All right, so any other questions? Any other questions? Yeah. Right there. Whose side are you on and what's your name? I'm Holly, uh, June and Jason. Okay, June and Jason, which is also mine. I was just my point, that's mine.
Starting point is 00:54:22 She gets it. I'm just saying if you didn't know anything. I'm curious, just so we don't have to waste time. Is anybody here on Paul's side? Oh, okay. I'm, look, I'm not saying in real life. I'm just saying the musical version of this. That's where I'm at.
Starting point is 00:54:38 Okay, yes, go ahead. The feck you dress. Yes, the fuck you dress. No, no, no, no, no, heck you. It's feck you. It's feck you. until the last line is fuck you. Yes, the feck you dress.
Starting point is 00:54:50 That's actually a famous dress, June might know. If you guys didn't know that black dress, do you think that was a feck you dress? You thought that was, was it effective? Okay, was the feck you dress effective? Let's pull it up here. Okay, so the question is, do you think it was successful in its attempt
Starting point is 00:55:07 to like be like a declarative statement of something? Yeah, certainly, yes, absolutely. This is a famous dress, right? That's a classic class. Even I know this. Distress Revenge Revenge looks best
Starting point is 00:55:19 In and after you drag Oh Packety Packety Packety Packety Packety Packety Packety Packety Puckety Pockety Pockety Pockety Pockety Pockety Pockety Pockety Oh, will you rewind it just like a couple Just like a few seconds Right, okay, so right here You love that stage design
Starting point is 00:55:35 You're like, you like I love the light tues What I like about What I like about this stage design is a couple things. It doesn't take attention away from the feck you dress and actually that's a feck you dress
Starting point is 00:55:51 shine and to your question I believe it's a feck you dress because they're telling me it. So like if so I didn't have to I didn't have to even imagine it. They told me as everything
Starting point is 00:56:08 every emotion is told to me except the things that should be told to me like the suicide that's hidden in a punch through the mirror, but this is very clean. Everyone is very clean and clear with how they feel. So yeah, she could be serving pizza and saying it's
Starting point is 00:56:24 soup, and if you say it's soup enough times, I guess that's soup. See, I liked this, I liked this, this is where the musical fails, because this is a really good idea at a juxtaposition between Prince Charles giving this televised interview
Starting point is 00:56:40 where he's going to take some sort of ownership and she's stealing focus with this fuck you dress, right? And To be able to, that could have, that juxtaposition could have created tension and been something great. And instead it's just like, not. It's neither, neither side of it is particularly effective at dramatizing the events of what I think is, is this a true story? Well, that I don't know. I feel like time was like, things got a bit conflated, I think, because I don't.
Starting point is 00:57:07 This is true. She was going to go to this very big event. I actually do have this research from me. Okay. All right. So this is, okay. Paul Burrell, that's her close friend in Coffinant. In an interview after the princess died,
Starting point is 00:57:21 Burrell spoke about how Diana felt humiliated after Charles admitted his infidelity to the press. The evening that Charles's interviewed aired, Diana was scheduled to appear at the annual Serpentine Gallery's summer party and nearly did not go. According to Burrell, he talked her into going and chose a very sexy black dress for her to wear
Starting point is 00:57:39 with a diamond choker as a way to tell the world she was not going to be humiliated. Their duet, the dress, is a direct reference to this conversation. So that's, I like that. No, no, no. Why? Do you, now you're just giving the audience applause?
Starting point is 00:57:57 I know this is joking. A cheer for me. Jason, Jason, Jason, Jason, Jason. Camilla, Camilla, Camilla. Team CPB over here. I'm so upset about that, Paul. You're going to need you to take it back, honestly. This is the new team's.
Starting point is 00:58:23 Team sanity is Team CPB? I'm judging this as a person who just walked into the local Netflix cinema and shows Diana. I don't know what this is about. Is this true? But if this had been bouncing back and forth between him giving the interview and her doing this and blah, blah, blah,
Starting point is 00:58:39 that could have been fun and cool and have given more, again, more emotionality to the moment and to what. what they were going through, but instead it's everything is reduced to just, everything's reduced to one thing, and this is just the dress. Do you remember that one song, and now I can't remember it, but it was when it's with the romance novelist, and she goes, it's him, it's her, it's a combo of him and her. What is that?
Starting point is 00:59:02 What are you, I don't even know what you were saying. What, like, that was odd. It was like, what is the combo of him and her? Like, I didn't understand what even that was going for, but it does feel like, I said to June when she was watching again, and I was. walked and was watching it over her shoulder. It's interesting because... Still on right now.
Starting point is 00:59:19 So you both watched it twice. I definitely watched a few more scenes. You stop by and watched more of it than I think you're willing to admit it. I'll admit it. And I guess like every time I watch it... I want to have the severance procedure done for this movie. But I can live in a world in which I don't remember having seen it. I have to be honest with you, Jason.
Starting point is 00:59:41 I might watch it again. I'm going to tell you it goes down smoother the second time. Obviously, we have an opinion about this movie. There are people out there with a different opinion. It is now time for second opinions. They go to Amazon to get their reviews on. These people's minds are gone. They're second opinionated.
Starting point is 01:00:00 They're lowering their bars. These movies are subpar. They give them all five stars. Second opinionated. Amazing. One of an amazing job. Thank you, Chris. Chris said he wrote that 10 seconds before the show.
Starting point is 01:00:20 You could not tell. It was better than most of the songs in Diana the Musical. I would believe it if Chris had written Diana the Musical. Diana the Musical, second opinions. So these are the reviews, sadly, just from the soundtrack on Amazon. Oh, when did this come? This is recent, right? This came out in 2021.
Starting point is 01:00:40 Yeah, so this was awarded all the Razies this year just a mere few weeks ago. So, but people do mention the stage version and Netflix one a lot. So here are some reviews here. I'll start off with this one from Man. Every performance is breathtakingly spot on. I would not change anything about this musical. A masterpiece. Five stars, absolutely wonderful.
Starting point is 01:01:12 There we go. Jennifer W. Hale, writes, after seeing the Netflix show, I had to get the soundtrack. I know this is a controversial piece, but I love it. Five stars,
Starting point is 01:01:27 this is a fun musical. I would say fun is not the word I would use. And then, okay, two more quick ones. From an Amazon customer, I absolutely loved it. The music was so good. The cast
Starting point is 01:01:43 is amazing. Do yourself a favor and go see the Broadway show in person. And then watch the Netflix iteration as well because it's just brilliant. Enough said. Five stars. Now here is the thing that was weird that Nate found. Nate Kylie, our amazing researcher,
Starting point is 01:02:03 found out that a lot of the five-star reviews happen to be for Shrek the musical. And they somehow are on the Diana page. So the ones I just read might have been for Shrek if they don't specifically say Diana because in the Diana musical ones we also found this one from Jandy
Starting point is 01:02:23 Jandy writes this is a gift from my husband Tony who loves musicals especially this one he enjoys playing his cast album of Shrek while working on his computer five stars thank you Jandy
Starting point is 01:02:39 June and I saw Shrek the musical what? When? Remember we went to go see it The Pantages? That was somebody else. We were there with Kulop and Scott
Starting point is 01:02:52 and everybody. I will step out. You were definitely there. It was Kulap and Scott and everyone was there. I have no recollection of that. We got yelled at. How about this?
Starting point is 01:03:01 This is the first I'm hearing that there is such a thing as a Shrek musical. It's on Netflix. Like this? Yeah. It's also on YouTube for free. Please do not make us watch it.
Starting point is 01:03:14 Shrek the Musical. Now, I will say Camilla Parker Bowles and that is actually, you'll see a different side of her. Would you reckon... She plays donkey? Oh, no Shrek.
Starting point is 01:03:30 Wait, that's the thing that makes you turn. I can't believe him. I can't believe him. Talking, wow, despicable. It's the only other character I know from Shrek. Fiona. Should I have said a lady, Shrek? Lord Farquard.
Starting point is 01:03:49 I don't know from Shrek. I know there's a donkey. Would you recommend it? Actually, put it in twice. But instead, when I make the joke, instead of them booing, put in before when they chanted my name. I will kill regardless of what happens in this room. What, um, would you recommend it?
Starting point is 01:04:19 No. June. You know, it is something to see. And I do feel, like musicals in general, it's so hard to translate a stage production to a screen in general. It's not going to be as good. And so I do feel we've been judging this a bit unfairly. We might have had a different experience in the theater. Would you have enjoyed it more if you'd gone to the theater to see it?
Starting point is 01:04:45 Would you have been more forgiving, perhaps? I think so. I think so. But in some ways, I think seeing everybody up close, seeing customs up close, seeing all of that. Well, sorry, go ahead. No, too close doesn't. It's like that show, is it a cake? They have to watch, they look at the cake from like 15 feet away.
Starting point is 01:05:05 Well, I was going to see. You would like to look at this further away? Yeah. Yeah. One of my notes was, one of my notes that I didn't say was, would I have enjoyed it? this more if it had been filmed, you're right, not up close, but like from the middle of the room and the audience's been full of people enjoying the show. It's kind of like that Bo Burnham special for Chris Rock where Spike Lee is taking up so much attention because he's like in the front
Starting point is 01:05:29 row, but you still feel like you're in the audience. And I do like that idea that, like, I think that the audience not being here is a problem. I agree. This is like a Tony and Tina's wedding of Charles and Diana. I feel like it has like this element, but it's the wrong take for a story that is this dark? Listen, I don't think this succeeds necessarily on stage either, but I don't, but I think I would have enjoyed it. I might have enjoyed it more and been more forgiving. So you're saying, your recommendation is go back in time and see it in the theater.
Starting point is 01:06:05 Yeah, I mean, again, it seems it's playing on every TV in our home right now. We're making our children only watch Diana. That's why there's so many profiles. on your Netflix is so every TV can be playing this simultaneously. Everyone in our house watches something so different and it screws up everyone's algorithm, so I just made everyone their own profile. Yeah, you did.
Starting point is 01:06:31 You really did. Is that for every app? Pretty much, it's for Disney Plus, too. It's for he wants his own, his content on his own. Yeah. He doesn't want the rest of us. I just, like, I was having trouble with that. Netflix algorithm because you are watching anything where people are getting murdered all the time.
Starting point is 01:06:49 And I'm like, how can I find the Adam Project? It's like your version of Netflix, the Adam Project is not even exist. The answer is, don't find the Adam Project. Why are you looking for the Adam Project? It's supposed to be great. How do I find Free Guy? Ryan Reynolds sent me a case of Ginny's a nice gentleman. I do think this is something to behold, though.
Starting point is 01:07:15 It's something to see. And none of the songs are memorable, but... I would say they're impossible to even sing. Sure. Except for that gentleman there, they are, there's nothing hooky about anything. Yeah, there's nothing to hold on to. There's, there's, it really just is sung exposition, you know, for the most part. Well, good news.
Starting point is 01:07:35 We're going to bring you to New York and we're going to put this on for you, Jason. You are going to get to go and see this live in New York City. Let's go, everybody. We're all getting on a play. is outside, we're going on Broadway! All right, well that is it. A big thank you to
Starting point is 01:07:53 April Halley, who has been sitting on this one for a long time. She's like, this needed to be a live show because you need to talk about the wonderful staging, the beautiful costumes, and you need to see it to believe it. Up in the booth tonight, our amazing sound engineer, Devin Bryant, Alex
Starting point is 01:08:09 Dixon up there working all the sound and lights and everything like that. Our producer, Cody Fisher, our producer, Molly Reynolds and of course Nate Kylie does all of our research. Thank you to Largo. This is amazing to be here. We will see you soon. We'll be back.

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