How Did This Get Made? - Disclosure w/ Nick Kroll & Emily Altman (HDTGM Matinee)

Episode Date: February 10, 2026

Michael Douglas, Demi Moore, and a lot of loose 90s fabric star in 1994's Disclosure—an erotic thriller directed by Barry Levinson and based on a novel by Michael Crichton. Big Mouth's Nick Kroll and Emily Altman join Paul and Jason to talk all about the virtual reality CD-ROMs, the big sex scene, all the Dennis Miller-isms, and so much more. (Ep. #223 Originally Released 09/26/2019) • Get up to 20% off tix to see Jason in ALL OUT on Broadway with code ALLOUTPOD at AllOutBroadway.com• Go to hdtgm.com for tour dates, merch, FAQs, and more• Have a Last Looks correction or omission? Call 619-PAULASK to leave us a voicemail!• Submit your Last Looks theme song to us here• Join the HDTGM conversation on Discord: discord.gg/hdtgm• Buy merch at howdidthisgetmade.dashery.com/• Order Paul’s book about his childhood: Joyful Recollections of Trauma• Shop our new hat collection at podswag.com• Paul’s Discord: discord.gg/paulscheer• Paul’s YouTube page: youtube.com/paulscheer• Follow Paul on Letterboxd: letterboxd.com/paulscheer• Subscribe to Enter The Dark Web w/ Paul & Rob Huebel: youtube.com/@enterthedarkweb• Listen to Unspooled with Paul & Amy Nicholson: unspooledpodcast.com• Listen to The Deep Dive with June & Jessica St. Clair: thedeepdiveacademy.com/podcast• Instagram: @hdtgm, @paulscheer, & @junediane• Twitter: @hdtgm, @paulscheer, & msjunediane  • Jason is not on social media• Episode transcripts available at how-did-this-get-made.simplecast.com/episodesGet access to all the podcasts you love, music channels and radio shows with the SiriusXM App! Get 3 months free using the link: siriusxm.com/hdtgm Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

In 1994, Hollywood decided to tackle the most taboo topic imaginable. Sexual harassment of straight white dudes. We saw disclosure, so you know what that means. Now it's time for how did this campaign? We're going to have a good time, celebrate some failure, not how did this campaign? Let's walk in the mediocrity of subpar art. Perhaps we'll find the answer to the question. How did this get made?

Hello, people of earth. It is me, Tall John Shears. And I am here in studio to talk about a very important movie today. The film is Disclosure from 1994, starring two of the biggest stars of the time, Michael Douglas, Demi Moore. And it's a story, like I mentioned, of sexual harassment in the workplace. But in this film, Michael Douglas is the one who is sexually harassed. Oh, and it also has VR. Here to break it all down, my co-host, Jay Samanza.

Lucas, how are you, Jason? Listen, Paul, I mean, these straight white men are being victimized all over this movie. I like it because he's relatable right out of the gate. He's going from being super rich to almost a millionaire. Yes. And he's a guy that doesn't think a blowjob is sex. Oh, there's so much to talk about. And we actually have a really fun way to tie this episode into a larger thing.

We have two guests today. Our first guest, you know her as a writer for Big Mouth. She's also a writer for The President Show on Breakable Kimmy Schmidt, Inside Amy Schumer. A First Timer here, please welcome Emily Altman. Hi. Hi, Emily. Welcome Emily to Your Nightmare. This movie, we have a reason why you are here and we have a reason why our other guests here.

We'll get into it both, but I wanted to introduce you and welcome you to the show. Have you ever seen disclosure before you started to get involved in it? I hadn't seen it. It remains in my mind. I think I was like an eighth or ninth grade when it came out. And I remember guys talking about the sex scene. Oh, funny. I do very much remember like how hot Demi Moore was at the time.

Yes. It was mostly about the sex scene. I mean, that sex scene is a real moment in this film. It's also an era where everything took place in something. semi under construction. A lot of industrial design. Everything is like clear tarps are hung everywhere. You've already heard him a little bit on Mike.

He is an how did this get made All-Star? One of our favorite guests. You know him from, of course, Big Mouth and the League and the Kroll show. Please welcome Nick Kroll. Whoop, whoop. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Hey, guys.

Nick, so excited to have you on this show. and why you're here for this episode is, is kind of... You asked us. You asked us if you could come on and talk about this movie in particular. Why did you do this to us? This is 10, this is two hours and 10 minutes of a movie that you made us watch. Well, okay, this was the favor I was calling in. I believe I was the first guest on the first episode of How Did This Get Me?

You were. Shatter Burlesk. Shout out to share. Shout out to Christina. Christina Aguilera. Yep. I've also flown to Austin to be on the show just to hang out with you guys in Austin. You are a how did this get made All-Star?

You are part of the How Did This Get Made Family? Thank you. And because that, sometimes family asks for some favors. Just like in the Fast and Furious movies. It's all about family. It's all about family. The only favor I want us to find out who, Who does Vin Diesel's milk voice?

He always sounds like he's drank a big glass. It's all buttermilk. I asked. He's got a buttermilk budget that is in the millions. You know why? Because those takes are so hot that he's got to drink buttermilk to come. Oh, yeah. Oh, I'm so sorry, Vin.

Everything curdled. I'll drink it anyway. So I asked for you guys to do the movie disclosure because on Season 3 of Big Mouth. We have an episode where the kids put on a musical, and the musical that they are putting on is a musical based on the movie disclosure. I love this. So it's an Emily Altman co-wrote the episode with Victor Kinoj.

And it's one of my favorite episodes that we've ever done in the show. And it felt like it would be a perfect thing to come in here. talk about the movie in general so that when people watch Big Mouth and they watch that episode, they'll have all of this extra information and be able to understand what we were doing and why we chose to fucking make a musical out of the movie disclosure. Between this episode of Big Mouth and this episode of How Did This Get Made? There's going to be so much rewatching of disclosure that it might get enough heat to get a sequel. Or a reboot, guys.

It's a reboot. We need a reboot of disclosure. Resclosure. But I will say... Disclosure. Disclosure. I will say that we are on a show where so many people come up to us and say, you got to do this movie in the podcast.

You got to do this movie. And when you said it, I was like, oh, yeah, that sounds great. Because it seems so locked in amber. It's like of the time. And it's a perfect choice for this show. Like, I'm so surprised that we have... We would do this movie, even if you hadn't... requested if this is a movie we would do.

It's a real clean, it's a real clean hat of this kid made. Oh, yeah. Oh, I mean, this is, all right, so what I love about this movie. Oh, it's got virtual reality. Virtual reality. CD-ROMs. It's mostly CD-ROMs. It's most of the movie is CD-ROMs.

Oddly, let's get into the technology here because the technology is he's in charge of, like, releasing CD-ROM players, like, you know, players. Manufacturing CD-ROM players. But also on the VR team. And then we are. that they're creating is like a virtual reality filing cabinet. Yes. Like the corridor,

the thing they've created that makes their company worth billions, like Donald Sutherland is going to be worth $100 million. I know, which is so, yeah. All it is you put VR glasses on, you're in a hallway and you can open filing cabinets and see what's inside. And see what's in your filing cabinets.

And when they actually go in, when you have that big money shot at the end, when you're in there, I-L-M. It's so boring. And they're all going up there like, let's experiencing it. They talk about it like, check out the VR world. There's nothing interesting, nothing fun. It's not even like a filing cabinet on the beach. It's in like an old bank building. Yeah, like this is in that era of that aerosmith video member, the VR video with Alicia Silverstone. A quick Alicia Silverstone anecdote. I feel like this might be the place to tell it.

Go ahead. I saw her at a party, and she was like, I haven't seen you since I was at your house. And I was like, Alicia, we, I was like, you've never been to my house. And she was like, yes, I have. I was at your house. I was like, no, I know where I've met you. And it was not at, and she goes on like this for a little while. And then she's like, oh, my God, you're not who I thought you were.

You're someone else. I know you're Nick Krull. And I was like, I am. And she's like, oh, I shouldn't, I don't even, I was like, Alicia, now you have to tell me who you think I was. She goes, I thought you were Chris Catan. Oh. Sorry. It's the best.

I'm sorry, it's slight diversion. However, very worthwhile. So, but it's like, it was out of that aerosmith video where Stig guy puts on the virtual reality helmet and like he's now on a motorbike with Alicia Silverstone. And it's like, yeah, that's virtual reality, right? Right. Well, that was the dream. The idea is that virtual reality is an escape from reality and you get to interact in a really crazy space. Do things you'd never do.

The avatar was your own face. You didn't even get to escape your own body. You got to be it. And I thought this, I pulled this one clip from how Demi Moore speaks about what the internet and virtual reality would be. And I just thought it was so funny because it's so wrong. What we're selling is freedom. We offer through technology what religion and revolution have promised but never delivered. Freedom from the physical body.

Freedom from race and gender, from nationality and personality, from place and time. Communicating by cellular phone and handheld computer, PDA, and built-in fax modem, we can relate to each other as pure consciousness. The exact not thing that has happened. That's awesome. It's made us a more segmented angry community. A place where all of those things she said, race and gender matter the most. And a way to protect our anonymity while we attack those.

It's like a system for trolls. I mean, but it's also funny that just quickly, a shout out to that, the Ennio Morricone music playing. Oh, yeah. By the way, he does the music. I know. This is a Barry Levinson movie. This is like a, this is like, you know, a lot of times on the show we're covering movies that are B movies or C or D movies even, you know, like really low budget, whatever. And then we've got, you know, your big Fast and Furious movies.

But this movie at the time is a massive, these are the biggest stars of the time. This is one of the biggest directors of the time. This was like when adult movies like this were king. And it's Michael Crichton who has, at this point, ER has created ER. Right. Jurassic Park. Created Jurassic Park. He sold the movie rights for a million dollars before the novel was even published.

Right. He's, he like, it was like day after the Anita Hill hearing start. He's like, I got an idea. And then his whole pitch was just a Coke can and he starts... By the way, there's a weird close-up on a Coke can in the...

There's a vending machine thing and I was like, oh, this is like... Oh, interesting. They're not. By the way, Milosh Foreman was the original director, but left due to creative differences with Michael Crichton. And Barry Levinson came in. Really?

Yeah, they took over. Which I wonder which way Milo Schormon wanted to push it. Like, what did Crichton react to? Crichton's like, it's a virtual file cabinet or I walk. Milo Schoferman is like, maybe it could be something more interesting, more exciting to look at when you're in the virtual world. No, I want to open drawers that say finances.

I mean, but again, this movie had a budget of $55 million. It made a gross of $83 million. A huge hit, you know, it's a big movie. That is crazy that this movie cost $55 million. And is it all for glass walls and glass offices? I love tech companies in films like this. Tech companies look so sexy. It's like the CSI.

I mean, it's like CSI on TV. It's like everything is glass. They have these big conferences and people can see people yell going through the glass. Like his wife, Michael Douglas and his wife into a fight in a glass room outside the mediation room. Everyone can see that. Yeah.

Everyone can see. There are at least four plot points in this movie that hinge on someone being able to hear or see through glass. Like Michael Douglas basically is able to discern the whole like third act, like fourth act really plot twist by simply walking by Demi Moore's office and eavesdropping on her while she's on a treadmill. By the way, it wasn't even her office. I think that was just a gym that also happened to be in the tech company.

Oh, I thought they put that stuff in her office. Everything looks like an office. The gym looks like an office. Everything's an office. That's very true. Before we go forward. Is that one of the songs in the show? Everything's an office.

No, but it should have been. Just a quick question before we move further. Is it Demi Moore or Demi Moore? I've heard it as big. Demi. I think she, I think it was originally Demi. Like, I feel like in the 80s it was Demi and then she shifted to Demi. Oh.

It's more demure. I'm wondering if, like, Demi, like Demi Lovato. Demi Lovato. Right. Demi Lovato. I believe her name is short for the Greek name Demitra. And I wonder if Demi Moore is the same in which I think it would be Demi, not Demi. Yeah.

I mean, as always, Demi Moore is basing everything off of Greek, Greek mythology. I'm wondering if her name is also Dimitra. Oh, I wonder. Are you now trying to figure out of Demi Moore as maybe Greek? He's half Greek. I'm just now, but no, my dad would have told me because he's got a, he can readily call up any celebrity who's Greek

and be like, well, you know, Tina Fey is Greek. You should talk to Tina Fey. Yeah. This movie, again, like we kind of touched on it, it revolves around Michael Douglas getting a new boss who happens to be his old ex-girlfriend who they had a very sexual relationship.

My favorite thing in this movie is that he is the head of like production and it is a movie in which I feel like Michael Douglas is like, no, no, let me be very clear. I'm a guy, I'm the head of manufacturing and production of this hardware unit for a computer thing, but I need everybody to recognize

that I'm one of the biggest playboys that has ever existed in tech. Like everybody's like, oh, this guy used to get all the pussy. I mean, they literally, his wife is like, you've fucked so many women. It's like, wow. The story, he is,

the story is always about how prolific he was. He gets more ass than a rental car. Yes. That's what Dennis Miller said. Oh, by the way, Dennis Miller. It is, wow. Dennis Miller, first of all, Michael Creighton wrote the character

for Dennis Miller. Which just shows you where we're living. There's so many great Dennis Miller. Millerisms. Millerisms throughout the whole thing. Again, and in my buying, it's like Michael Douglas and Dennis Miller are tech guys. And then this guy who's like Cato Caelin who, you know, he's like, Cato C.

So along those lines, I think we, the reason one of the, when we were deciding to do this for the show, we were describing this movie as in the Michael Douglas's period, of filmmaking when he was too sexy for his own good. Yes. Where it's the third and the triptych of basic instinct, fatal attraction, and then disclosure was kind of like the one that's slightly slightly missed the mark. Right, slightly.

But it's like, it still is a movie that's kind of burned into your mind as like a big film. And it hit. And it worked. It was not a failure at all. And Michael Douglas was in all of these movies, these women are going crazy. because they want to fuck him so bad that they'll blow up their whole lives for it.

Yes. They will literally blow up their whole lives just to get a taste of that D. And by the way, I will say the one thing that really bothered me, maybe I'm jumping ahead, but obviously he's sexually harassed. But never at one point does he like apologize to his life seem to have any guilt, have anything about him where he's like,

because that's, I mean, we'll get into that scene, but he is bulletproof. He seems to be unfazed by, anything but losing a million dollars. Being less rich. And they made it in the screenplay at the beginning where she clarifies his wife as like, but we're already rich. We just want to be clear before the movie unfolds.

We're very rich. You see where they live. They live in a beautiful house, like a giant house on a lake gorgeous. Oh, they drive a Jeep Grand Wagonier, which is like one of my all-time favorite cars. I like that car. I love that car. I love that car. But my thing was there's the scene where,

Just to jump back to Dennis Miller, they go to dinner with Dennis Miller and his wife and Michael Douglas and his wife. And this is kind of near the beginning of the second act or whatever when Michael Douglas is starting to kind of go down the road of maybe he can claim sexual harassment and that will help him kind of get out from under where he is. But he doesn't want, he hasn't told his wife, he's not blah, blah, blah.

And so Dennis Miller is given the information and outs him at dinner. And then it's a big dust up. And then they go, why don't we sit and have a nice dinner? And then they just sit and have a nice dinner after Dennis Miller was just revealed that Michael Douglas cheated on his wife with his ex-girlfriend to his wife. The wife digests so much information and effortlessly is like, oh no, he told me everything. Everything's fine. Lying for him. Lying for him.

And then they cut to the outside afterwards. And she's like, please just tell me. Did you sleep with her? Like, she seems like destroyed, you know, in a way that you're like, and he, like, continues to lie. Like, he is the protagonist of this movie and is just a piece of shit. I mean, he, I mean, his wife goes through so much. The fact that she's, like, sitting behind him in that mediation, too.

Oh, I know. Why is she sitting in the mediation? Because he was going to go without a lawyer. Or no, no, no, no, that wasn't it. He had the woman that he'd hired. But why was she going to, I guess. Standing by him? Maybe, yeah, maybe she thought.

Optics would look good. He lies to her in that first scene where she, or in the scene where he's like, she went, she put her hand down my penis. And then, and then they get into, yeah, right into the hole. Yeah. She's strapped that. She stuffed her middle thing. Deep into the hole.

She reached. She reached her middle finger into my ureth. Right into, all the way into my bladder. Is that hurt, Paul? Are you feeling that? Ooh, she milked my bladder. Yeah. From inside my pillow.

She took her nail and dug right into my urethra. I mean, and there was an M&M in there. Yeah. But, but, yeah, and Dennis Miller, by the way, just to hit one more thing with him, too, is like supposedly the voice of, like, not the voice of reason, but the guy who's like, I'm saying it as it is.

I think he's like the every dude. Yeah. Come on, you don't have a bonner. He's like, you know, she doesn't give you a bonner. You don't achieve lift up. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Here's a. You got to use a Mac truck, you know,

Series 5 to understand how to lift that thing out. This is where he gets in trouble here. Well, this comes back to haunt Michael Douglas, his interaction. Add, come on, you have a sexual urge every 20 minutes. It's a physiological certainty. You know, it's hardwired into your limbic brain. You can't fight it? Why would you want to fight it?

Live a little. I mean, 10 years from now, you're going to need a forklift to get a hard on. I'll look like you to night. 10 years from now? So it's, but you know what it's, you know what it's, You're 40. You're going to Yeah.

And also, how does a forklift help? Yeah. You know, like, like, exactly. Like, a forklift, like, what does it do? Like, a forklift doesn't get it. Yeah. But it's so funny. This is also Michael Crite.

It's like that, it's like when Sorkin wrote Studio 60. It's like writers who want to write stand up. Yes, comedy. And they're like, I'm going to write Miller, Dennis Miller material. Quips. I'm going to write what it must be like to be around one of these guys. And I will say, though. To credit, to credit, it ages great.

It does. Yeah, really, it still has that kind of bite in that. But it is, like, I have to say inside of it, like, Dennis Miller is, like, it's fun, I missed, I do like hearing Miller's voice in there, like, he's fun in that role of, like, come on, you know. Well, he's got a real, unlike Cato Cailin

in the movie, he has, like, a point of view. He's got, like, something, an engine driving him that's fun to watch enough, the way that I also find Donald Sutherland just captive He's always his massive teeth. They are. I think they're getting bigger.

They are. Donald Sutherland says something in the beginning and I loved his choice, which was he talks about the death of his daughter, but he glosses over it so quick. He's like, when my daughter died, I was like, not even like a mite. He's like speaking to so many people. Like there's no like emotion. No reference to it after that. But I will say a couple of things.

One, Donald Sutherland is doing almost like New York accent. Like he pops in and out of like, I think Donald Sutherman was like, I'd like to do a fun sort of he's a tough New York guy and they were like okay and then he's like forget it after like he's like I'm not doing Abort I didn't say that The other thing is with Dennis Miller and Michael Douglas Is it is the this is prime

Mullet New York this is prime 90s Mollett The hair is gorgeous Mullet not like whole hair Just like whole hair But like long in the back Yeah quaffed up top.

Yeah. And I will say this is the time where I realize also 90s clothes are disgust. Oh, yeah. So loose. So loose. She talks about his body at one where she's like, you're so, you're still so hard. Your body's still so tight. Yeah.

You can't tell. By the way, the way you fill out all those pleats and those slacks. Yeah, I know. I really do feel like, you know, we, it's been in the news recently, like the fast and furious guys had like this thing about who can take a punch. I feel like here, Michael Douglas is like, you got to make her talk a little bit more about my rock hard body. Yeah.

Like I do feel like it's overkill. It's like what are you convinced? Like who are you convincing? Everybody else. And everybody, all of the women in the movie are wearing like just like clothes on top of clothes, on top of other clothes.

It looks like they are just draped in fabric. Fabric. It's loose fabric. Yeah. It is so blousy and flowy everything. It is hilarious to see everybody in the workplace. is just like a whole barrage of nonsense clothes. Every time there's a meeting.

Well, he's also, Michael Douglas is, he's a backpack guy, which I love that as a character. Yeah. He's on a backpack. He's taking the ferry. He's taking a couple. I feel like style-wise, though, like another thing that we can address at some point

is the Pacific Northwest. Oh, yes. How much and how 90s that also is. It's in that deeply together. Yeah, but also grunge. Yeah. I was surprised there wasn't more. of a wink to that there was like that's how much this movie exists in a time when adult movies

mattered is it makes no effort to like reach out to younger people by acknowledging that at this time in Seattle is like the most vibrant music scene in America there I mean they don't even yeah not exactly but yeah but you're right but I feel like now they would try and use like oh they go to see some band or whatever Cato Caelin would be like wearing a nervous Go see my band tonight. Maybe they were trying to make him look like Kurt Cobain. Oh, yes. Yeah, that's probably true.

I was like that long, blondey hair. I think what I was really taking in was how warped I was by movies like this as a child because this is what you would see, like, basic instinct and stuff like this. Like, these are the films of my youth that were like cool. Kids watched adult films. Yes. Because they were always playing on cable. Like movies like.

this were always playing on the HBO's and the, you know, whatever. Richard Gear and Kim Basinger. Yeah. It's like, it's like this intense thing. Even like Alec Baldwin made that movie like the getaway with Kim Basinger. And they had like, he showed his dick and she was totally naked. It was

like on the unrated version of the getaway. I remember getting it a blockbuster being so excited. Whoa. The Allie McGraw, by the way, just a sidetrack. The Alley Maguire is one of the greatest movies. Really? Yeah. Is it called the getaway? Yeah. Okay, yes. The movie, you know, it takes place in a week. So we're Monday through Friday.

Yeah, by the way. That shining, they use the like shining Monday when it starts and lives up to the promise. So much happens in five days. And they make such a big deal of like, this is going to wreck your life and you're going to spend so much money. No, just if you can spend five days dealing with a sexual harassment case. And honestly, at the end of it, this is a legal case that would take months, if not years to work itself. Arbitration, arbitration. But I love that at the end of the movie, it should have just been like somebody says to Michael Douglas, how you doing?

He's like, eh, tough week. Yeah. It's like, that's how insane. It's only been one week of his life. Well, I, is this a fair time to just bring up what the plot of this movie is? Yeah, of course. Go ahead. Yeah.

I, so this is the whole thing is like, I don't know how I would explain. Like, if you talk about the movie, you're like, oh, it's the movie where Demi Moore sexually harasses Michael Douglas and then accuses him. of sexual harassment, right? Right. But the actual plot of the movie is that Donald Sutherland is trying to sell or merge his company to make $100 million. In 1994, it's a lot of money. Yeah, which is a lot of money, but still, yes, it's, it is crazy.

But, like, now $100 million for a tech company is, like, what, like, Lufor would make, like, a company that just sells, like, Lufus delivers you Lufus. By the way, that's a great, I get, oh, yeah, I get my box. every month and brand new lufus By the way we should say this episode of how did this get made is brought to you by Lufor. Lufrigno's Lufa company Scrub off some savings

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You've got dead skin all the your body. Yeah, I've found that foyeries all over London. Oh, I hate these jams! Oh, my way. So, anyway, that, that lufor would have a hundred million dollar merger. But maybe he's excited because he has $100 million for a company that's just a virtual filing gap. Yes, yes, I guess.

We've pulled the biggest wool over everyone's eyes. Can I ask a question? Is the sexual harassment, the initial sexual harassment? This is my question. A setup itself. That's what I. And Dimee Moore calls him up to the office for wine to discuss, is that a trap? No, I don't think so.

Because I think we're supposed to believe that he is that sexually attractive. Okay. I don't think she's putting, I think it's like she is so moved by how hot he is. She has to do it. But don't you think, I thought, I read it slightly differently. I think that she was like going, hey, we used to fuck. He'll want to do it again. Let's us go.

And we'll have, we'll just have our thing. Like, it will be. We'll have our normal affairs. Yeah. While I got his promotion. Yeah. I got your promotion, but we can still hook up. But I mean, but that's what I, like, and so I think what is even weirder about this, too, is like, so she's spurned because he doesn't want to have sex with her.

And then she's like, I'm going to take you down. And oddly the whole company is against him, too. But that's the thing is like, he spurns her, right? She's like, I'm going to take you down. But he was, they were always trying to take him down. He was always supposed to be the scapegoat for why the technology wasn't working. Was the sexual harassment not the first attempt to get him out? It was just a complication to their long game of trying to get him out.

Is that right? No, I don't know. I, well, again, I don't know. Maybe it's different, but I thought they were using that to be like, we'll get him out this way. Because he was already pushed down to the lower tier. What I believe, after spending like literally hours trying to understand this and talking about it with my girlfriend who was like, can you explain to me what this is about? Here's what I believe they were trying to accomplish. Your dates must be so fun.

Is that... You're just like furiously diagramming on the table? No, and then she says... Right. So, Demit, and it's Demet. It's Demet. Okay. Well, she's Greek, we think. So...

I believe what happens is that they are trying to get this merger done. But the technology and the manufacturing on these new CD-ROM, which are a big part of this whole virtual reality deal or whatever. unclear stuff. They need these CD hard. CD ROM drives. Not even the CDs. They need the CDROM drives for this virtual reality, which is the cornerstone of why this merger is happening. They are behind about a year

on production. Right. So they need a scapegoat. If this comes out, they need a scapegoat to bury the problem on. And they're choosing Michael Douglas as the scapegoat so that if it all ever comes up, they'll be able to fire him and be like, We fired the problem now, but even then it still doesn't. But the reason that they are... Right, because they would still be behind.

They can't say this right. The reason they're behind what we find out at the end. You're right, though, I think. I think, yeah, I think so far everybody is right. All of the... That's the thing is all of these things are in play, and that's what's kind of difficult to kind of figure out. Because there's multiple people have multiple levels of secret plans.

You know, because what we then find out at the end is that it was Demi Moore's character who did. It made the changes to the manufacturing line of the CD-ROM drives that have necessitated that Michael Douglas is now a year behind schedule. But why did she do that? She just wanted to set the company back? Cost cutting? To get them maybe ready for the merger quicker?

Yes. My guess is that they had a clock and they couldn't wait. Anytime when you're rolling in Malaysian news footage, too, you're a big reveal at the end. This is amazing. And also just like being like... And he has all that overnight. He's able to overnight build an incredible case against Demi Moore.

All because this is a guy who's always helping out the little guy. His wife says it and she's like, oh, you, don't you... You're the only one who helps everybody or something. And then like his big help is... Except her. The Disneyland tickets. He goes, big old Disneyland tickets. He writes, he goes, all the rides are comped.

At one point, all the... You're not going to pay for a seat. Once you get in there, go on any rides you want. You can ride it as many times. Don't worry, all the rides are comp. When he said that, it just spoke to me that no one has been to Disneyland there. No one understood the concert. It's not hard to get tickets to Disney.

It's not like a concert. No. You have to like get scelt tickets to Disneyland. And is that just to save the cat thing of like he's a good guy? Okay. And why the guy helps him, right? Right. Exactly.

He's from Malaysia. Transaction is the same. The guy he got the Disney tickets for is the guy who faxes. him all the incriminating information. His name is maybe Jafar? Yes, Jafar. This is post-Aladdin or is this pre- It's a nod to Aladdin.

Is it? Right? A lot. It's terrible nod to Aladdin. Well, because yeah, Jafar wants to go to Disney World. He's not allowed in. He's a villain. He can afford some of the rides.

He can't afford all of them. You know Michael Crichton's just like, his kids are watching Aladdin in the background. He's like, Jafar, great, got it. Clickety-Clagety, clickety, claggy-clag. Aladdin came at 92, so yeah, it is. We're living in a post, Aladdin world.

Yes. Oh, yeah. Go ahead. Please. Please. Please. Look, what I'm saying is, I don't want to be stressed out by this. I might just take a Prozac.

Oh, so 90s, every little piece. I know. It's just like, oh, you want to, like, I'm stressed. Oh, you want a Prozac? It's like, this is not an Advil. No. Prozac works cumulatively over time. You have to take something like Prozac for a long time for it to get into you.

You don't just like casually pop a Prozac. But this movie works. The movie speaks of all these things as if they were all in the media. They're like, Prozac, VR, sexual harassment. It's like, it's just thrown in terms. It's like, yeah, it's like a weird, random, like, timeline of what 90... Time capsule. Yeah, time capsule.

Everything in there is present from the 90s. Everything is there. So when he goes into this office to meet her and they have their first meeting, she requests a back rub, which she does. I mean, this is so, it's so funny because they don't try to change it. in any way. They just basically go, here are the details of how,

or the tropes of of men sexually harassing women, we'll just have her do the exact same thing. Like, oh, give me a back rub. And that,

and so funny, and the secretary walks in. Yeah. Secretary, totally indifferent. By the way, why does she, I have a question about that. Yes.

The secretary, when she, the secretary locks them? Yes. Why? So the secretary, was she in on it? She's in on it. This is before they could,

this is before they could install those. Before the Matt Lauer button that automatically locks the door, the secretary had to lock the door. That was so odd though because she would have to say like, hey. I'm going to sexually harass someone in here. Also, here is my question is, Demi Moore has been not like, this is the first he's seen,

this is the first Michael Douglas has seen of her. She's got a fully, not a fully furnished office yet. No, it's under construction. Right. But it's pretty, pretty done. Yeah. Yeah.

And she has flown her. secretary up with her to like I was sort of like so the secretary is with her in in the val in in in California they've flown up that day yes the office is basically done up and running and he didn't ever see it he had no idea that this was not going to be this was supposed to be his job they treat it like like the office is being decorated like a surprise party like I know they're decorating that office it's going to be mine like no no she's fully in there. The choices have been made.

Yeah, like, he would have been able to look and be like, oh, that's not my stuff. I didn't pick that big thing. She, Donald Sutherland, um, the guy from happiness, Dylan Baker. Oh, Dylan Baker. He's one of the great weasels of our time.

Yeah. They're all so excited to fuck over Michael. Well, that's one of the notes I made. I was like, this world, this movie exists in a world in which just people at a tech company are so gleefully, um,

engaged. in, like, nefarious activities to destroy a single person as if he's wronged them. And, like, they are... Dylan Baker is essentially, like, twirling a mustache throughout. Like, he's such an idiot. He has no idea. And he's only shown us at that point to be the nicest of all people. Like, he's helping out.

He's got a hamper full of balls in his office. He likes to, you know, play with his basketball. I thought that was such a funny, weird... Oh, I didn't see that. He was a hamper of balls. It's like basketball, football. And at one point he's like, has a basketball. And he's like, just tosses it in the side.

Well, but the office door stays open. Oh, yeah. And his secretary. Yep. Yeah. Cindy. Are you a friend? Yeah.

Well, and it's like she's, it's always so funny in movies. It's like, do you have the door open or close? She's like, I always leave it open. She's like, you always leave it open. And you're like, I don't know. That door's going to close someday. Yeah, yeah. And she also is like, like, they have a thing where she's very concerned.

concerned about him when he is going through his trauma like she's like are you okay he's like i'm fine i'm fine and then yet she testifies against him which is they set that up as well when he pats her on the butt with his with the files in the beginning they really show you that like they make sure you that lands so that that's when that comes back later and then she does it at the end yeah it shows that everyone's learned everyone is doing it also she kind of apologizes at the very yes she apologizes at the very end for... Which we have in... I didn't quite understand

what she's apologizing for but it feels bad. Right. Well, it's like she's apologizing for like saying out loud that he like sexually harassed. She's like, I'm so sorry that I told the truth.

Yeah, exactly. It's such a fucking mixed message movie because she's like, I'm apologizing for testifying against you because you actually are a good guy. And now the thing that you did to me I'm going to do to you. Playfully though.

Playfully, which he did to her playfully, like not lasciviously. So I'm not saying that that's right or wrong. I'm just saying, but like, no one's learned anything in this interaction. This has been... No, I feel like they set up the idea that, like, you know, in the office, like, look, Michael Douglas isn't perfect. Like, I feel like they were like, we covered our basis.

Yeah. We've covered our bases, right? So, like, we're not just saying to me more sexually harassment and Michael Douglas is an angel. He likes to play around a little bit, but it's all in good fun. It's nothing bad. Well, keep in mind this. You know, this is 1990. This is before

Joe Biden got plugs. This is before, I mean it's 2019. Remember, like, this looks antiquated because we have figured out sexual harassment so clearly. Oh, yeah, of course. Like, this is like from another time. Yeah, there's no problems. And everything, this is, I mean, this looks antiquated to us.

Yeah, no, we've solved all of this. Yeah. It's, I feel like nobody talks about it anymore. These days are not really sort of hearing about it at all. I know. It's like not in the new. I went away. I feel like this, like, I can't believe that this,

isn't the biggest movie in the alt-right world. The spirit is identical. It's so weird. The way, the defensiveness that he has, the persecution that he goes through from the guy on the ferry, from the very beginning, it's like a world. Everyone is against him. Yes. It feels so much like right now.

It is. The guy on the ferry, which, the guy on the ferry, we have a puppet scene in the disclosure briefly, you'll see like a weird puppet version of the ominous man on the ferry. And we have the blowjob scene. And we have like a experimental dance blowjobs scene, which you see very briefly. But the guy in the ferry is like these women are taking our jobs. Yes. And it's like I'm and it's and it's it's like 25 years later.

It's still this feeling it's the same sentiment, right? And you're supposed to think, I think at the beginning that that guy's like over the top on the ferry. But then the way the movie plays out, you're like, no, I think that's what Michael Douglas feels he experienced. Michael Douglas looks at him at the end of the movie almost to say, like, were you right the whole time? Are you some sort of, are you like the blind seer? Yeah. Are you like, what's the Greek blind seer? Tiberias or not, that's not right, but like that's a crazy idea.

Well, he says to him and goes, you used to have phone with the girls. Now they want your job. Like that's like the most damning thing you can say like, what can't we just like, why don't these girls just want to fuck us anymore? and now they want to work and vote and get out there. It really has been a rough, a real rough, what, 15 years for straight white dudes, like a real straight decline. They're really feeling it. Put this in some sort of context, too.

This is four years before the Clinton Lewinsky stuff even comes out, too. So it's like, we're, like, it is interesting in the sense that it was ahead of its time. Well, that's what I bet, like, when I bet when all the Clinton Lewinsky stuff comes out and it's like, I did not have sexual relations of that woman, which is like, you know, it's like he didn't have sex with her,

but she clearly blew him. He definitely put a cigar inside of her. And what an amazing guy to be the president of the United States in his mid-50s. To do that to a 20, 21-year-old. What a great guy. But also to talk about that, like just recently watching that Monica Lewinsky doc,

you realize like, oh, I saw this totally wrong. The way the media kind of put it in your head as a kid, like, oh, yeah. Like, you under, like, no,

his person. personal life is. It's personal life. Right. You don't understand the power dynamic. No. The lame stream media. Jason has changed a lot, too, just like Dennis Miller.

Yeah. You've done a lot of different. The lame stream media will have you believe. But it is, I bet when the Clinton Lewinsky stuff came out, I bet, I guarantee like Crichton and, and all those guys were like, we saw it. We knew it. We saw, like this is all these women taking down these good men. In this movie, you've got him say a line, which is. I can tell you right now.

I mean, is it sexual harassment is about power. Yes. When did I ever have the power? Yeah. That's amazing. That's not the line, but that line is, they say it like four times in the movie. Well, here's the thing. Let's get into this scene, the sexual harassment scene.

So it starts off with the arm rubbing or the back rub. The door is locked. And then the attack. This is the most, and maybe I'm wrong on this, but the most mixed message sexual harassment scene either. because she. No, no, no, no, Meredith. No, no, no. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

I know, like, Shia LeBuff watching was like, oh, okay. Yeah. But then the angles, like, that blow, I mean, first of all, that's another hilarious thing, I guess, in my mind that, like, for this, like, this woman, like, she wants to get off by giving him a blowjob. Like, oh, I just want to get your cock in my mouth. Like, that gets me off. Like, like, but, like, but, like, you.

but like so she's like so you have this angle like on her face in his crotch in those very pleaded pants and you know he's like no no no and then he kind of lifts her off he's like okay you want to get fucked I'll fuck you yeah and then they just

start fucking no they almost fuck okay they almost yeah yeah yeah he rips there's a very important rip of the he rips her rips her and I think that's in one of those things where Michael's like I've got an idea I've got one idea, Barry, before we roll on this,

I thought maybe we'd try this. So he rips the underwear off and then he said... You know, there's a couple of times he tried to and it didn't work. He's like, can somebody score the underwear? Please score it. It'll rip easier. Well, here is a little bit of the sex scene. It's another dull day in the computer. Let me be the boss.

She uses a lot of business language. Oh, you got it. No, I... She's like, the synergy between our bodies has never been... I want to download you. Let's ideate. Oh. No.

All right, so now, he's in the middle of getting it. You want to get fucked to me. Come on, do what you want to get fucked. You're turning everybody on, Paul. I love when she puts her fingers in his mouth. But he, so he says, do you want to get fucked? And then he gets all the power, or in this moment, he is the aggressor, which I think is a funny, weird mix,

be like, okay, so he's got to also show he's not really being sexually assaulted because he then has to have to have. I believe that they're saying, I believe that like what they thought they were doing was being like, she's pushing him, she's pushing him, and then he's still a fucking duh, you know what I mean? He's got to do it. He's a man. He got to do it. And it and it is like it is part of his character that he is like a womanizing man, like a man with a past of like sexual prowess or whatever. But it's like he's a sexual prowess guy, but like

you see him at home and you see him with his family and general he's like so kind of like such a family man and such a to me more is kind of chipping away at. She basically, he arrives and the first thing she does is be like, show me pictures of your family who she then proceeds

to neg fully. She's his daughter. He says but look at this, my picture of my daughter isn't she beautiful? She goes, she looks like you're wife. Who needs to lose weight? She said, yeah, she goes, she never lost. And then Michael Dugel goes, she never lost the baby weight from the first baby.

He throws that out there. And by the way, which, by the way, that actress, what? Yeah. She's not, she's, she's white sweat. Yeah. Also, how can you tell she's wearing the blousiest of clothing? But that's a crazy thing to say, like, to anyone, like, yeah, my wife never lost that baby weight. It's almost like apologizing for it.

Like, yeah, no, you caught that. I'm sorry. And you know what? To say that to. Someone who's an ex-girlfriend of yours is an invitation. Yes. To say that to an ex is basically to say, I'm not happy with my wife. It's confusing.

He gave her mixed message. I think that's what they think they were doing. They were like, see, where there is gray. I think that's what it is. They're saying, like, if we really took a snapshot of what sexual harassment is, it's just a lot of gray. It's as much the women as it is the girl. And by putting a man in that role, they can say, like,

that's why they do that thing on the, the ass slap at the end. It's like, guys, what is it? I mean, it really what is, like, where is it for you? It's not like, it's a very mixed message. There's also something in that exchange where Demi Moore says, it looks like your wife keeps your refrigerator full of food. That's like another comment. And that's why he thinks that she's saying that she's fat because of food.

But I don't even get what. Yeah, she's like, she seems like a good provider. Like a dummy at home? Yes. Even though she's a lawyer and she's got a bed full of papers. She's quite accomplished. She's quite accomplished. Oh, yeah.

She's got a bed. That's such a 90s thing of like, I'm working at home so my bed is covered in papers. By the way, that is a June Diane Raphael specialty. Really? June makes the bed a full-blown office. Like there are books. When I try to get a bed. You should get her.

The corridor. so that she's just in a virtual office in bed. She just puts on virtual office. You imagine walking into your bedroom and June is just reaching out of it. But there is something about June that is like a little 90s working woman. I mean, by the way, I think that she is somebody who grew up on Baby Boom and she's like, I want to live this life. She's also playing Let the River Run while she doesn't. Carly Simon sings in our room every night.

But she, you guys have changed. June does say that she considers. He used to be Carly Ray Jackson. Like she does, like, she... She considers her bed the office? She likes to... She's very open about loving to get into bed at early times and be like, let's, like, let's figure this out.

I literally, when I come to bed, I'm moving books and files and things. You're probably one of the only people that wakes up with paper cuts. But so he is... Shout out to June. June. who said when she's in New York right now doing press for her book, her great book, that she's like, I'm so bummed, I'm not here

for this episode. She's like, this is my favorite movie. What? We have to get it. And she was watching me watch it on the plane yesterday and she's like, oh, I wish I could talk about this movie. She also gave me more, and she's like, you'd be careful in there tomorrow.

She's like, you guys are in a minefield. Well, it is, but it, again, again, like Michael Douglas. Everyone's in a minefield. And like, I think like how it's just, this movie to me is so, in a weird way, it is very prophetic about how all of this would eventually go down. It only took 25 years for us to be like watch how, for like white men to be like watch how, and all men how women are going to weaponize sexual harassment against men.

And what I think is so interesting. is the movie is also a revenge film. Because once he's been wrong, he's like, now I'm gonna fucking wreck your life. Yes, the scene where he confronts her, because it goes beyond, he wants to humiliate her. He's too, like, tricky,

where he's like, Meredith, I'm just curious. I thought you were in charge of that. And then everyone starts to laugh at her. There's too much emotion behind. He needs it too much. And they never really do that to him. Everything that he's doing is very segmented. The only people that are probably laughing at him

It's the guy who accidentally got the message on his answering machine of the hardcore sex scene. Who was that? Who was that? Because he was autotype on his phone made him call the wrong guy. That wasn't someone we knew, right? No, okay. I thought it was going to be the guy from the fucking boat. Like, at least tie it together.

Yeah, that's what I thought it was. No. That was confusing. Yes. I also think that in this, like, it's like the speeches and the reveal, there's two, at least two times when Demi Moore cannot help herself, but reveal, like, what a fucking... She does, like, a couple of different, you can't handle the truth. Yeah, where it's like, if you push me, guess what?

I won't back down. Do you want to hear... Yeah, go ahead. You want to hear her big, this is her big seat. Lock the door, you demanded service, and then you got angry when he didn't provide it. So you decided to get even to get rid of him with this trumped up charge. Ms. Johnson, the only thing you have proven is that a woman in power can be every bit as abusive as a man. thesis statement for the film.

You want to put me on trial here? Let's at least be honest about what it's for. I am a sexually aggressive woman. I like it. Tom knew it and you can't handle it. It is the same damn thing since the beginning of time. Vail it, hide it, lock it up, and throw away the key. We expect a woman to do a man's job, make a man's money,

and then walk around with a parasol and lie down for a man to fuck her like it was still a hundred years ago. Well, no thank you. By the way, that speech is so a few good men. And she's in a few good men just two years before. Yeah. I kind of like that speak. There's something about it that's like very pleasing to me. By the way.

The content is wrong, but I like the way. I think she's good in this movie. I think she's like really good. I think there's a bunch of good performances in this movie, which make it even more insane. It's not shocking. It's not campy. It's not over the top performance-wise.

You know, people are finding a way to compellingly deliver insane lines. like that. Well, but I will say this. What Michael Douglas and Demi Moore are both doing a lot of is lower lip work. Michael Douglas' lower lip is, is, yeah. And I don't know if it's always like that, but it's like really jutted out. And I feel like to me more is also doing a lot of lower lip work in this movie. They both worked with the same acting coach.

It's like the top part of their face is different than the bottom part. It really does feel like their top part is almost frozen. Like Michael Kane has that thing like, Never blink with their own camera. And I feel like they're like, never move a muscle in the top part of your face. Only the bottom left. This is probably in like a pre-Botoxy world. Oh, yeah, sure.

But Michael Douglas' lower lip is caught. But there are some good speeches in here or they're like, and it is this weird thing where it's like, they're trying to bring up the idea that like how can a woman should be able to do whatever. We talk a lot in the, in the, there's about a, what is it, an aggressive woman likes to be on top is one of our songs. But I do think it is a lot about an aggressive woman likes to be on top, and they want to talk to it, but then they're also like, but an aggressive woman can't control herself and, like, loses her shit,

which is what Demi Moore does time and time again. It's like, yes, she's powerful, yes, she's aggressive, but she also has no control over her emotions. So she's going to let loose and say things she shouldn't say multiple times. But, you know, it's interesting because at certain points you are on her side, you are on his side, like you see, you see it clearly. And I think, I mean, and again, this whole idea of the gray, I think it comes out in this where you leave just going like, I don't know. Like, I mean, you can really find, she doesn't seem like a villain necessarily at the end. I mean, the most villainous act she does is sabotage the plant.

Right. Right? I mean, for a clean cut. For profit, you know, in the company that it seems to me perhaps might have been done at the behest of Donald Sutherland. I'm not sure. I don't think she's out there acting as a malicious agent alone. Right. You know what I mean?

I don't think she's trying to gain the system for her own gain or anything like that. I think she is a company. I think she's part of a company that itself is like participating in. in misrepresenting itself in order to overvaluate their merger price. You know, I don't think she's like trying to be set up as like, oh, she's like working alone as the bad guy. I think they're all bad. I think Sutherland is bad.

I think Dylan Baker is bad. I think their whole team seems to be like a cabal of evil doers. And Dylan Baker also in the mediation, everybody kind of in and out of the mediation in the middle of the day, like, I got to go back to work. Yeah, they're doing it in the middle of the day they're going to it. Like they're going to a different location. They're going to another glass office conference room. Like, let's go to that other glass conference room.

Yeah, because I thought it was in their thing. And then they had to go back to work and then go back to the mediation. Although I do like when he wins the mediation at the end, they needed to connect him and his lawyer. And I love his lawyer, Roma, Moffia. Like, she's Catherine Alvarez. Like, they win and they're, like, they don't hug. They just do this, like, awkward, up top high five. Like, they're like, double.

Yeah. We did it. It's such a weird thing. Not a handshake. It's like, yeah. And then they, and then he goes back and it's like, wait, the paper's gone through. They're still like, this is all part of their plot to screw me. It's so, it's like, it's so convoluted.

Yeah. Well, because now, you know, now they couldn't get him on this sexual harassment thing. So now they need to scapegoat him for the plants flaws, again, to make them look good. to the people who are going to buy them, the guy from Texas or whatever. John Connolly, Jr. Well, no, then the father comes at the end of the movie. When they're all so excited to check out the VR set up in his hotel room,

which, by the way, the other thing that I love, because it makes no sense is it's like a bouncy mat, like an exercise bouncy mat that has like balls on it. But like they're walking around so fluidly. It's like, well, they're going to walk right off that fucking bouncing mat. Oh, yeah. Like a normal human person. being as like feet would almost be touching the ends of the bouncing mat at regular.

It's like a personal, a personal, a trampoline. Yeah. It's what it looks like he's standing on, but then he's walking full stride through the corridor. But then there's also that moment where he almost like falls off a cliff as a building. No. Why did they build the corridor to have edges, like large, like it's as if the stairs at Hogwarts that are moving around is part of it. can't quite be certain that when you step next, it won't be just an abyss. By the way, are you a Harry Potter?

I'm not. I've never. Like, and I'm not either, but it does feel like. Me neither. Yeah, you don't like the Harry Potter movies, right, Jason? Never heard of it. Do you have you read any of the books? I don't even know what it is. Harry, who?

Are you saying Perry Hodder? That you know. That you know. I know about parrying hotter. but the virtual like storage room file cabinet library space I feel like Harry Potter kind of stole the like movable J.K. Rowan, big fan of crime. Emily, so obviously in writing this episode you saw this movie a lot.

Are there any little things that just jump out at you as being like, I mean we talk about a lot, but like even lines are moments that you're like, Oh my God. Well, Dennis Miller, we already started talking about Dennis Miller, but the jokes, the way that Nick was describing it's sort of the way that a drama writer writes comedy. Every single, I get the spirit of it that he's supposed to be like a little bit nasty. Yeah. But everything is just like a click off in gross. The way he describes, he's like nipples like pencil eraser.

Yeah. And everyone in the room is like, yeah, pencil erasers. In case you make a mistake. You're going to use her boobs to erase your crossword puzzle. But now you're going to put it in pen. And you might get into this in the like I read the Googled like reviews of the movie. Like how was this movie received? And I know Paul you might get it.

I have a couple. But go go ahead. Well the first line of the Roger Ebert review. Do you have that? I do. It's like, I'm sorry. Tell me if you if you have it. It's like like basically the first line is like the wonder bra does.

amazing things for Demi Moore's cleavage. But this movie is a little bit lost in its delivery. And you're like, why did the, like, Roger Ebert looks like my grandma? He also said basically a launch pad for sex scenes. But it's not. It's just one. He doesn't even have sex with his wife, which I think would have been interesting, too. Like, just to show, like, he's a horny guy like sex.

Yeah, like to show that there was some, I don't know, some even kind of There's a mystery there between them. It's a weird thing. Yeah, I wonder if they were trying to make the point that, like, he used to be this, like, real playboy, but now he's been domesticated and Dime Moore is opening the door to wildness again. That's what she says to him. Yeah. And that it's almost like his home life has to be sexless in order for the other side of it to seem attractive. But, like, the more, that's, like, it shouldn't be that, like, it shouldn't have that much of a,

a spread almost. I think that that's part of the movie, though, is like, this guy used to be a playboy, and now he got married, and, like, he's a worker day guy, and he's been beaten down, and doesn't it suck? And, like, you know, what's he supposed to do when this hot he tries to blow him? Yeah, you get passed over by a promotion for, by, it looks like the guy on the boat. They might as well have the guy on the boat narrate the movie.

I know. Well, obviously, we had opinions about this movie, but there are people out there with a different opinion. Now it's time for second opinions. Thank you John Lejois for that amazing song, as always. Well, get ready, people, because if you thought the movie had some problematic issues, these reviews go there. These are five-star reviews, Colt from Amazon.

A average rating of this movie, 4.5 out of five stars. 237 total reviews, 65% are five-star reviews. Holy shit. And, let's see, Maria writes, a very interesting and realistic movie that brought us sexual harassment in the workplace and showed us how, as women become CEOs, VPs, and directors of corporations,

they start to show some of the same characteristics shown by men in the workplace. Women can be just as aggressive and focused on seeking sex with men that they work with. I think this movie shows a very realistic, true to life story that happens every day in corporate America. Five stars. Excellent. Yeah.

that is kind of the tenor of many of this. And then this one I really like because it's a little bit different from Paulo Roberto Elias. He writes, Disclosure is a suspenseful corporate intrigue drama, showing us what goes on behind closed doors in many places. It has an appealing interface to an audience by showing how products can be made flawed by careless manufacturing.

Five stars. Wow. I love that guy's. The movie, that guy's. The movie that guy watched was very different. I happened to work in CD-ROM manufacturing. Joni writes, love this movie. Watch it over 20 times.

We'll watch it again now. Five stars. Chachi writes, not a fan. Can you imagine being like, this is my favorite movie? 20 times watching this movie? You know that movie when you meet someone and you're starting to kind of fall in love? You're like, oh, do we have the same taste in? movies like I want to show you this.

Favorite movie on three. One, two, three. Disclosure. Oh, let's spend our lives together. This one is written by Paula Pumpkin. Did not care for the sex part, but overall the movie's very good. And held your interest till the end, five stars. Paula.

This one is written like this. Great movie. It shows just how far some women will go to get what they want in the workplace. This is not just a movie. It happens every day in the workplace. If you're charged with sexual harassment, it is a nightmare. When this became a workplace issue, my wife asked me if I knew the definition of sexual harassment. And I said no.

And her response was, well, you know what it is? Anything you want it to be. So I'm glad that I retired six years ago. By the stars. Wait, meaning this guy was like constantly sexually harassing women. I quit that day. She told me that and I was done. But truly, it was like, my wife and I know that I sexually harass women constantly.

My wife gets it. I'm a piece of shit. So those are some of the reviews. Some interesting side facts. I did tell you the movie made 83 here. It made 213 million worldwide. So that means, you know, that's giant. The tagline was sex is power.

And it was not written, I mean, the novel's written by Michael Crichton, but the screenplay was written by the same guy, Paul Anastasio, who wrote Donnie Brascoe and Quiz Show. Interesting. Yeah, which is interesting. And then if you do have a kink of watching Donald Sutherland turn into a vampire, then you definitely need to watch this movie because that is a scene we didn't really talk about, but is one of the best scenes Michael Douglas has been traumatized.

Oh, yeah. And he gets, and he has a nightmare where. He has a sexy dream about. Donald Sutherland. Coming on to him like a vampire. It's so bizarre that... Wait, I don't think it's like a vampire, though. He doesn't have fangs or anything.

He goes... He's trying to make out with him. You're right, and I think I took it as like... You thought he was turning into a vampire. I thought he was turning into a vampire. No, he's trying to sexually assault him. Oh, geez, I'm an idiot. Because you know what?

I looked at the way he was coming with his mouth. You know, we don't have... They shot it weird. We don't have June here today. but I feel like that is a moment. That is like a June moment where she's like, and he was a family. I was wondering when no one guy got no,

yeah, I was like, what does Paul mean? I thought you were maybe referring to another Donald Sutherland role? Oh, no. And I was like, oh no, there is, because in my mind, this guy,

the merger goes through, the CD-ROM business takes off, and then everything happens, but then it becomes Pan Am and it's the Hunger Games, and he's President Snow. I'm just watching it again. They do it like a very tight perspective.

It's like Michael Douglas is POV. Yeah. And then he goes, come on Bob. Oh, yeah. He comes in for a kiss and it looks like he's going to suck his blood. Yeah. And his tongue is out like before. I guess tongue is making the first contact.

And you thought he was trying to bite his neck for blood. Yeah. I thought he was having like a weird dream. Like they're sucking me dry at this company. I did not even pull it together. It's so bizarre that now he also feels like... Well, that's a beauty of a movie like this. It's all of your interpretation.

It's open to interpret. It's all valid. Well, obviously, we normally ask, do you recommend this movie? But I think you need to watch this movie to it, or not, you don't need to watch it to enjoy it, but I think it'll give another level of enjoyment too. I would say, like, this, the episode that is,

I don't know what number it is in season three, but it's later in the season. It's probably like episode eight or not. of season three. It's Disclosure, the musical. The other part of that episode is the queer eye guys do the queer

eye coach Steve. It's like one of my favorite episodes of the show. Jay recommends Coach Steve and anyway, the point is I can't recommend this movie enough just in general, but also specifically when you watch Big Mouth

the Disclosure episode, you will be that much more gratifying. And Big Mouth comes out next week on Netflix. What's the actual day it drops? October 4th, it drops. So this is a great thing to do leading up to watching Big Mouth. So that when the season comes out, you watch it every day. Watch disclosure.

Can you watch this one out of order? I would watch it in order. I would let the season, because there's some stuff that happens in the episode that are irrelevant to the season. And so I would like, I would wait to watch it until you hit it. And who are the stars of the disclosure? Musical. Or is that a secret?

It's not a secret. I mean, Nick is. Maybe the other ones we can keep us in surprise. Yes, the other ones. Nick is, yes. We'll leave the rest of the secret. But Nick, maybe the star of the music.

Are you guys at all? He might have a Michael Douglas wig. Nice. The success of this show, like obviously the success of this show, Big Mouth and this season, especially I think is everybody's really highly anticipating. Will this episode launch a musical? Disclosure. Like, are you interested, are you interested in mounting Disclosure the Musical?

Or are you going to let high schools, or middle schools, I guess, across the country, mount productions of Disclosure. Well, you got to talk to Samuel French about that. Smart. Yeah, the book of this would be great. It's going to be. And Mark Rivers, Mark Rivers wrote all the music for, and he writes all the... How many songs did you guys do, yeah.

I mean... You've got the power now. You've got the power now. Aggressive woman likes to be on top. The interpretive blowjob ballet Yes And there's one or two others I can't remember

There's like a long oh there's a there's a long montage The whole opening It's finally happening We've made it so long The opening number is like the opening number It's for the rehearsal or the tryouts for it But it's a There's at least three or four

Full numbers in the show I cannot wait It's crazy And I really do recommend Like we talk about this movie being like two hours and ten minutes, but it goes down smooth. It really is, I mean, like, I watch it totally, like, I was like, I'm, like, a lot of the times I'm looking at, like, how much longer, how much longer I'm like, no, it tells a story

well, I mean, it's confused. Well, unlike a lot, again, a lot of the movies we do are poorly made. Yeah. This is an impeccably constructed movie from the, you know, from great filmmakers, from smart, you know, like, this is, it is absolute trash, but, um, you can, you can, you can, it is certainly constructed. Well, you're not, I wasn't confused. Yeah.

Like, like during the visitor. I was, I was confused about all of the text. Did you guys fully understand? No, I mean, that stuff, I feel like, again, it's like they're just saying, I think gobbled. In the blank. Yeah. Oh. And by the way, we didn't even just mention, like, what emails look like.

Oh. Oh, yes. I wrote it down. Like, one of the things I loved about this movie is it opens with the girl, his daughter, um, going, dad, you got a email. Uh, email. Uh, email. And emails are written like letters.

And she reads it aloud from the beginning to the end. Yes. The entire yells it, I guess, to nobody in the house. Yeah. Almost everybody does that. Almost everybody reads their emails aloud as if like they need to comprehend it in a way that is. He also has some great one-sided phone calls. Yeah.

She's doing some great one-sided phone call cell phone work. I mean, yeah. The cell phone, I love like all the details. I mean, and it's. Oh, and I love the guy on the boat who's like, remember what? cell phones were huge? And he was like, yeah, I was in Wall Street when they were huge. I was Gordon Gecko.

Remember, I'm synonymous with those giant cell phones. Now, why at the end of the movie, blah, blah, blah, blah, everything happens. Why does, why did, okay, so they're in the car and his, Michael Douglas' daughter says, Daddy, I didn't believe any of the stuff they said about you. Who told the daughter? Who told the daughter? He's not reading the email. And why?

Why did they tell? What if the daughter was a friend? What? I thought maybe. Why did they tell like a seven-year-old what was going on? It wasn't in the papers. I think what they're saying is like the kids are... Sponges.

Yeah, I think we're saying like kids are... Oh, okay. See what's happening. And just in a weird moment of life-imitating art, in 2003, DeMe was sued for sexual harassment by her ranch caretaker. He claimed that she fired. hired him after he rejected her advances. Ultimately, she was cleared of all charges.

Yeah. But I also feel like, I'm sure that rancher was like, this movie. Yeah. Where did I get this idea from? I feel like I. The ranch. So, all right. Can I promote one more thing?

Yeah, yeah, please. I'm also going on a stand-up tour, middle-aged boy tour this fall all over the country. So I'll be doing shows wherever these guys and June have been running through this wonderful nation. Yes. following up. It's a great show. I've seen it. Go see it, everybody. I'm very excited to see it. I've seen pieces of it. And it's very good. Where can they go get tickets for that? I think go to Nick Kroll.com, middle-aged boy tour. I love it. Emily,

anything you want to talk about? No, just Big Mouth, very excited. October 4th. I love it. All right. I really truly do this season of Big Mouth, I'm very pleased with. There's some crazy episodes. I cannot wait. Thank you, thank you. Thank you, Nick. Thank you, Emily. Big Mouth is coming back. Season 3 on Netflix. Netflix, October 4th. And if you have not picked up June's book, go and get it. It's called Represent a Woman's Guide to Running for Office and Changing the World. It is fantastic.

Give it to a woman in your life who you think should run for office. Or if you are that woman, pick up the book. And make sure you head on over to teapublic.com. We have amazing shirts, brand new shirts from the tour from our last couple of episodes. A lot of them are on sale right now. So definitely check that out at teapublic.com slash stores. slash HDTGM. And a big thanks to Averill Halley, who helps us with all of our film choices.

Nate Kylie, who does all of our research. Molly Reynolds, who just chipped in this week and took a lot of information and gave it to me right before the show. Devin, who, of course, is engineering this entire thing. Cody, one of our producers, and everybody here at Earwolf. We appreciate you. Make sure that we hear your voices next week on the mini episode. You can give us a call at 619, Paul Ask.

That's 619 Paul Ask to hear what your thoughts about disclosure are or about your life. We want to hear from you on our many episodes. And if you're still listening right now and hope you are, rate and review the podcast on iTunes. It helps us. It really does. Thank you so much. We'll talk to you next time.

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