How Did This Get Made? - Dreamcatcher w/ Jessica McKenna & Curtis Gwinn (HDTGM Matinee)

Episode Date: May 20, 2025

Jessica McKenna (Star Trek: Lower Decks) & Curtis Gwinn (Stranger Things) join Paul and Jason to discuss the 2003 sci-fi horror adaptation of Stephen King’s novel Dreamcatcher. They talk about the butt aliens, the importance of the toothpick, comically bad farts, Morgan Freeman’s amazing eyebrows, and so much more. (Originally Released 10/14/2016) • Go to hdtgm.com for tour dates, merch, FAQs, and more• Have a Last Looks correction or omission? Call 619-PAULASK to leave us a voicemail!• Submit your Last Looks theme song to us here• Join the HDTGM conversation on Discord: discord.gg/hdtgm• Buy merch at howdidthisgetmade.dashery.com/• Order Paul’s book about his childhood: Joyful Recollections of Trauma• Shop our new hat collection at podswag.com• Paul’s Discord: discord.gg/paulscheer• Paul’s YouTube page: youtube.com/paulscheer• Follow Paul on Letterboxd: letterboxd.com/paulscheer• Subscribe to Enter The Dark Web w/ Paul & Rob Huebel: youtube.com/@enterthedarkweb• Listen to Unspooled with Paul & Amy Nicholson: unspooledpodcast.com• Listen to The Deep Dive with June & Jessica St. Clair: thedeepdiveacademy.com/podcast• Instagram: @hdtgm, @paulscheer, & @junediane• Twitter: @hdtgm, @paulscheer, & msjunediane  • Jason is not on social media• Episode transcripts available at how-did-this-get-made.simplecast.com/episodesGet access to all the podcasts you love, music channels and radio shows with the SiriusXM App! Get 3 months free using the link: siriusxm.com/hdtgm

It's like Stand By Me meets Mack and Me meets Alien during John Carpenter's The Thing. And when you put all that together, you get a big old mess and shit aliens. We saw Dreamcatcher, so you know what that means. Now it's time for How to Describe Pain We're gonna have a good time, celebrate some failure Not just be the hater, cause you know you're one that How to Describe Pain

Let's waltz in the mediocrity of subpar art. Perhaps we'll find the answer to the question, how did this get made? Hello, people of Earth and welcome to How Did This Get Made? I'm your host, Paul Scheer, joined as always by Jason Manzoukas. How are you, Jason? I'm all right, Paul.

I am all right. I am upset that June is still on maternity leave. I watched this movie last night the entire time being like, oh, I wish June was gonna be there to try and make sense of this. Oh, is this movie, I mean, the wig work alone would have really taken her down a path. But we have some amazing guests today to talk about this movie. And I am glad that they're here.

Please welcome our first guest, our returning, our returning How Did This Get Made All-Star from episode five, Drive Angry. You know this guy, he writes on amazing shows like The Walking Dead and Leftovers and The Bastard Executioner and Narcos. He just recently sold a show to FX Please welcome Curtis Gwynn. Hi, how you doing? I'm glad you see people would would know me

Right TV writers are so well known You're in a Nick Cage episode a classic You're an all-star. You're a listener to this podcast. That's what they care about. You're an all-star. You're in a Nick Cage episode, a classic episode. I appreciate it. I appreciate it.

And someone who I want to say right before we started recording said that he has read this book and watched this movie three times. That's right. That's right. Well, I was excited to bring you to this because I thought, I was like, oh, there's somebody that could really talk about this movie.

It will be Curtis. And I'm glad it worked out here. We also have another guest joining us today. She's awesome, hilariously funny. She has a brand new ABC digital show called Serious Music. You've seen her on Comedy Bang Bang, the UCB show, and party over here. Please welcome Jessica McKenna.

Oh, hi. Hi. I'm really excited to ask you about that middle time you saw Dreamcatcher. I understand, I'm excited, gotta see the theater. I should refresh for this podcast. What's the middle time? The middle time is the, I feel like the one where

you're like, you know, I'm gonna try and make sense of this. I did see the second, the middle time really was, I said it before we came in, you know, that I had locked myself out of my apartment in New York City. So I had actually seen it by my own volition. Then a week later, locked myself out of my apartment in New York City. So I had actually seen it by my own volition. Then a week later, locked myself out of my apartment, went across the stage of the movie theater, and was like, middle of the day,

it was like the only thing and I rewatched it. So you saw it twice? In one week. You'd be interested to see it twice in one week. Like 10, $11. But by the way, I would see this twice in the theater, just because I rewound it many times going, what am I watching?

And even when I tried to break down the plot, I was like, okay, so this is about, and again, just for you who've not seen it yet, I'll kind of, we're going to get into it. Of all the Stephen King stories. I think it's all of them like crumbled into one. So basically if you were to really peel away all the layers of it You would say an alien attack in a small town during a blizzard and four friends with psychic powers have to defeat it I mean that is if you're I mean we're that is the most but it has yeah, but there's also the added The added Stephen King Ian kind of thing which is these kids, these men, because it's four like grown men.

It's Jason Lee, it's Homeland, it's Tim Olyphant and who's the fourth? Thomas Jane. Oh, Tom Jane. Oh, God. Tom Jane, Punisher. So, it's those four guys, but you flash back to when they're kids a lot. And so, they've been being groomed by another Alien who's on earth to prepare for the alien invasion which they don't know

Well, there's also this kind of predestination kind of kids are meant to but I will argue with the main theory of that because when you bring in Morgan Freeman's character, which we should get into but He said he's so many people in this movie. Oh, and let's just see, just again, to say at the top of this, amazing people in this movie. Like, I mean, this movie is- This is a Lawrence Kasdan.

Yeah, what I was gonna say was, it's not just an amalgam of the hodgepodge of Stephen King stuff. It's also a hodgepodge of the other two components of this, Lawrence Kasdan and William Goldman. Yes, yeah. William Goldman wrote the original script and apparently, I read interviews with Lawrence Kasdan where he basically just brushed it off

and then I read that William Goldman's involvement in it and... William Goldman's a fucking legend. Yeah. And then Stephen King also was like, yeah, Goldman turned in a draft and like Larry rewrote it, you know, Larry punched it up. But you can see it is like, it is it or Stranger Things with the big chill.

I mean, that is why Lawrence Kasdan was like, I can make this. Even though he never did horror. And it, well, I think it, and it fails on a couple of levels there too, cause it's not scary. It's not like, it's like a there's a moment or two of like it's gross. Yeah, it's definitely Gross. Yeah, yeah, but it's but it also it feels very dated. It feels like a little like

When you there's a see it feels for this movie came out in 2003 and it feels like if this if you set this game out in like 1990, you would have been like, oh yeah, of course. The only thing that makes it 2003 is that the effects are better. Yeah. You know what I mean, like stuff looks okay. It's extremely 90s, I mean, again,

look at the three people at the top of the ticket here. Lawrence Fasten, William Goldman, and Stephen King. There are wipes. Yeah, there are wipes all over this movie. Yeah. I couldn't believe it. I was stymied by that. In a way, I admire it because it really is the project

of people who can do anything. You know, the budget was something like $65 million. I was gonna say, it's gotta be a huge budget. $68 million. Yeah, and you know, Stephen King, at the time, he was doing, he was like very pro dreamcatcher and he hadn't done press for any movies, like in 20 years, he hated his movies.

He was like, this movie is great. Really? And he did massive press tours for it, which he never did. He sold the rights to it for one dollar, I think, because he wanted to really make this movie. No, that's his thing. He always sells everything for a dollar.

Oh, okay, okay. But now, two years ago, he said, oh, he had just suffered, he had just been hit by a car. Oh yeah. Steven King, and he almost died. Well, just like, just like Jonesy. Exactly. Well, that's why he wrote that,

yeah, he wrote that in, because this is what he wrote, the first thing he wrote, longhand. Longhand, he said, completely on Oxycontin. Whoa. And that he hates it, that he thinks it's terrible. He goes, oh, that's awful, just awful. By the way, that makes sense.

That makes sense that this was written entirely on Oxycontin. Oxycontin, yeah. And after a trauma. Yeah, it is a jumble of nonsense. Is this like the book? Is this very close to the book? I would say that for a 90, the book is over 600 pages. Yeah. Wow. So it's a real like, that's a King book.

The book is, now look, again, I am a massive Stephen King fan. I couldn't be any bigger. I love William Goldman and I really like Lawrence Kasdan a lot. I love these people. So it hurts me to say, but it was crap. I mean the book was brutally bad and repetitive. And one of the only reasons I went to see the movie

the first time is because he makes reference to it. I was gonna ask you about that. Oh I'm so sorry. No, no, this is perfect. Which is one of my favorite books ever. Who does and when? Stephen King late in the climax of Dreamcatcher in the book, not in the movie.

Oh, oh, oh, okay. He makes reference to it. There's like a- So they take place in the same universe. They take place in the same town. Well, yeah, it's in Derry, Maine, and they were saying that in the movie, I believe, there is a couple like little throws to it,

which is like, there's, I think there's like a Pennywise lives on like a sign at one point, not really featured, but also, but here's a question I had, and this is my bad memory of it. Is the name of Pennywise also Mr. Grey as well, or is that like the, okay, all right, all right, then that was my...

Unless there's a bigger Stephen King nerd. Wait, is Pennywise an alien? No. Well, you think of it in Lovecraftian terms. Okay. It could potentially be an interstellar sort of cosmic. Okay, all right. Like some sort of celestial being.

Interdimensional creature that personifies evil. Wow. Sounds scary. We have not yet really started to talk about the movie. And the fact is, yeah, go ahead, Paul. I was gonna say, also just another thing about the Stephen King book, just to even get, the original title of this book was called Cancer.

Yeah. Whoa. And it was written because, and this is a quote I have from Stephen King about it. It was a... You talked to Stephen King? I got him on the phone real quick. I do want Blake to talk to him. Oh, he might be able to. He said the whole reason for writing the novel was the scene where the guy shits out the alien, and that's the scene that became the driving force of the book. And by the way, spoiler alert, guy shits out the alien and that's the scene that became

the driving force of the book. And by the way, spoiler alert, guy shits out an alien. If you think that's the only time an alien comes out of someone's ass, you're wrong. He said, so he said, you know, the idea used to be the ultimate taboo was what's behind the bedroom door. And he's like, the new taboo is what's behind the bathroom door because most people now realize that they have cancer in bathrooms and they find blood in their stool.

And he felt like that is the new terrifying experience. That's so dark. But I also feel like cancer as a title would make more sense than Dreamcatcher, which is just an offhand moment where they're like, dud, it's we made this in arts and crafts. I have no, and this is now, so let's get into this. I couldn't understand Dreamcatcher at all.

Guys, we haven't talked about anything. OxyCone's a hell of a drug man. Now, like the Memory House makes so much more sense right now. All of the storylines are all over, I don't even know, how do you wanna start? So basically you have, well, let's like, try to break it down.

You meet these four guys who all have psychic powers. Like we have a therapist who can read minds. We have a guy who works in an auto dealership who helps people find their keys. We have a guy who's a drunk. What's Tom Jane's power? He's a psychic, he can read minds. Oh, okay, oh no, not Tom Jane, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Damien Lewis. Yeah, what's Dam Tom Jane's power? He's a psychic, he can read minds. Oh, okay, oh no, not Tom Jane, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

Damien Lewis? Yeah, what's Damien Lewis's power? Why does Damien Lewis have this memory, like do they all have this, they do say we all got one, but he's the only one who seems to access it. Who's like cultivated it, yeah. They're like, you remember he used to talk about this

all the time, his memory house? But he can hear other people's thoughts too. When he's about to cross the street, he says to the guy next to him, what'd you say? Yeah. So and I think they all can connect with each other. Yeah, because when they're kids, they're all telepathically talking to each other.

And it was given to them by this mentally handicapped child who dudits. The movie, this happens in the movie. dud it's the movie. This is this this happens in the movie This happens in the movie the movie begins we introduce Are introduced to the four men in their independent lives? Yes, and they all are kind of calling each other to check in they're gonna go blah blah blah visit dud It's or whatever this one of them is casually about to kill himself. Yeah Tom Jane is a psychiatrist who is treating a patient.

The patient leaves. He goes to his desk. This is in minute two, pulls out a revolver, puts it to his head. But can I say, just from a writing perspective, that those are facts, what you just said. But what makes it really terrible is that

it is the opposite of, look, I'm not a big save the cat guy per se, this Blake Snyder thing of like the heroes guy, but these guys are terrible people. The first guy, Thomas Jane, is like, you're a fat, he's like, you're a fat, he's writing negative thing about his fat patient, and then he like drives this guy, and this poor guy is talking about, the opening monologue is about Carl's Jr. Hamburg.

Yes. That's what the guy's in therapy for? Yeah, and then he's awful to this guy and then he puts a gun to his head and you're like, you're immediately like, I don't like, he's too handsome. He's got this gun against, fuck him. And I don't even understand why these guys are all slightly slightly like they seem

Broken, but yet you're like, oh, how did they become? Broken. Yeah, we don't why this is all lends to a book. Yeah, not a movie, but the book is also Is that they that you are introduced to all the guys and then Oh, by the way, I say when you introduce there's one moment in Damien Lewis that again We're talking about wipes where he's like where he says something like bad to the We mean an edit. Yeah, it goes from left to right like Star Wars style which is not something that is currently used But they also did I thought like in addition to the wipes,

they did like an SNL, like, frozen caveman lawyer kind of push in on Damien Lewis. Like the camera's like to the left and it's like, whoop, whoop, like it just like, it goes across and pushes into his face. Can I also just say that we're struggling to piece it together in a movie, again, from the writing standpoint,

where they specifically just say everything. Yes. They just flat out, there's no subtext. Almost every line is exposition. There's like a three minute, and I'm gonna play it later on, I think, a monologue that one of the characters does it, is kinda talking to the audience,

trying to sum up the entire movie to be like, it's an hour and 20 minutes in, but let me try to help you out. How long is this show? Yeah. How much time do we have to now? Somebody's gonna have to do a podcast about this podcast just because they're gonna be,

then they're gonna be like, guys, I'm 15 minutes into the podcast. They have not yet started to talk about the second flashback. Because there are, within the first five minutes, it goes six months in the future and then 20 years in the past. And it jumps around through time and then over an hour in introduces Morgan Freeman and Tom Sizemore as equally as important characters. Uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh My first question is that we we meet We meet

Damien Lewis who is a teacher a professor for a professor a good guy professor. He's nice Jason Lee seems like an alcoholic Thomas Jane is and Jason Lee is like the worst character in a movie most hateable full of Jargon and catchphrases that are preposterous. I was saying, it was like watching Back to the Future 2 where they're trying to make words exist that they don't, like, you Bojo.

Yes, yes. Fuck me, Freddy, fuck me. Bite my bag. Crimeanetties. Yeah, something bananas, totally. It's all, you know what, it's almost like, like they were like, I want this character to be a Newsy from the 30s.

Well, this is very, that is very Stephen King. And that stuff that has taken, when you read a Stephen King book, he always has characters that talk in that kind of like, I don't know, almost like 50s, but rough talk. And it works in his, for some reason, the tapestry that he weaves, you go, okay. You read the book and you're like, I accept this form of talking.

This is how this character is defined. Well, let's take a listen to one of my favorite parts, the fuckeries and fuckeroo's. Oh boy. This again, gives you a sense of, this is the first time all of our guys are getting together in a cabin, we don't know why. And this is the kind of talking you're gonna hear.

Met some lady at bingo, went back to her place, turned into a pretty nice fuckery. As opposed to a fuckeroo. Obviously. you're Oh no. You won't believe it you drop that little blue bomb your heart is a Louisville slugger for 12 hours. 12 hours? Talking to you Stremsky you don't have to need it to love it. So Jason Lee brought in Kevin Smith for the day right? To do punch up because that is like a clerk scene. Yeah that is crazy., as I was watching this scene, though I was immune to how ridiculous he sounded, because I was like, that's nice of him to be the one to cook dinner.

You know that thing where you get a vacation home with your friends, you're like, who's gonna really take this mantle? And I was like, whoa, he's got his own recipe, he's got two different hot sauces. Oh my God. Way to step up to the plate, Beaver, his name is Beaver. Beaver, that's his name.

Yeah, I forgot about that. So we don't know why these guys are broken. We don't know why they're all in a cabin together. They come every, they've been coming for 20 years. Jason Lee puts physical notches in a cabin I have to assume they don't own, that they just rent. They get charged like 50 bucks every year. Every notch and they're like worth it.

The thing that was crazy to me also was that these four dudes, in my opinion at this point, though some of them have more likable qualities, but they are treated so much like a unit. Like they are treated so much like, we're going to invest in all four of these guys. We're going to show them as kids in this long bond that they've had.

They're going to do this nice thing for a handicapped child. We're going to really of these guys. We're gonna show them as kids and this long bond that they've had. They're gonna do this nice thing for a handicapped child. We're gonna really like these dudes. And then we're supposed to know that Thomas Jane and Damien Lewis are more important. Yeah. And they also fall into that white guys that look kind of similar. The same, yes.

And especially with a blizzard going on and some of them are covered. They're so white. I'm like, all right, I'm glad that you at least have a beard that changes Well length throughout the movie and then when they would flash back other than the kid who is supposed to be justified What's his name? Other than that kid I couldn't tell who the kids are supposed. Oh, no, and what's his name?

Jason Lee's kids got glasses too. The other two were indistinguishable. Yeah, I was like wait't tell who the kids were. Oh no, and what's his name? Jason Lee's kids got glasses too. Red hair. The other two were indistinguishable. I was like, wait, which is, ah, the kids, yeah, sorry. But they are a quartet of people who you're, it is like Stand By Me. They're on an adventure, the kids version of it. They come across a handicapped kid, they save him from bullies, and then are-

Bullies who are trying to make him eat shit. Yes. And the bullies are holding the shit, and it's a small detail, but it was a really perfectly formed shit. They're already being punished, like they're punishing yourself. How do you not see this?

Yeah, by holding the shit in your hand. And then they get superpowers. Do they ever show, I kept on going, did I miss something? Like does Duttus, Duttus just, I think it's supposed to be a reveal. It makes more sense in again, not much more sense, but a little more sense in the book

that he's the guy who's got magic powers and it rubs off on them. Just by being in his orbit, they get these powers, but it's really cause he's this, I don't wanna spoil anything, but he's. Well, you can, you can, I mean, we can, yeah. Oh no, you can spoil everything. Why not spoil it?

You can, because it'll be worth it to, I think, at least understand where we're going. He's an alien. Yeah. Who's got, he's the enemy of the evil aliens, presumably in deep space. So he's a good guy. But he's a good guy, and he has given them,

now why he is under the guise of a mentally challenged child, wouldn't that be a very difficult life? Well, that I couldn't, that I, that's is, and that I was really hoping you were gonna explain. Well, I'm gonna, I think I can maybe help here and say that the original ending of the movie did not reveal Dudette to be an alien. So that's interesting. But in the book it does. I can't, I don't recall. Oh okay. So the original ending is a, and I know we're skipping to the end here, we haven't even introduced that aliens are

in here, and we'll get to that. Oh, when there was an alien, when the alien turns into an alien. Yes. You know, when he, Damien Lewis turns around and there's an alien, a giant like nine foot tall gray, I was like, are you fucking kidding me? Well, like, you know, like, so, man, it's hard to like even, because you have to set it, I think even to understand what we're talking about, you have to lay it all out. Like, so they're in this vacation house, A man comes who's having some stomach problems. Yes. He's farting his brains out.

Yes, and there's a lot of bad farts in this movie. There's a lot of like, Comical fart. Comical body horror. Yes. You know, like it's almost like funny David Cronenberg. Which by the way is the type of movie I would love to see. And he comes to their house and he's getting progressively sicker,

and his stomach is distended and weird, and they, you know, and he's getting sicker, and they go to the, he has to, he runs to the bathroom, they come home, they find like blood around the house, and he's in the bathroom. And basically, he has shit out this snake-like monster who opens up like a vagina to a certain extent. Yeah, he is like both a dick and a vagina. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

He is both. And it's got teeth, like teeth that run the length of its body almost. Yeah. It's crazy. And it came out of his butt. It came out of his butt, and that's how these aliens, I guess they, it's like his body almost. Yeah. It's crazy. And there's a, and- And it came out of his butt. It came out of his butt. And that's how these aliens, I guess they,

it's like aliens- There's a bunch of shots where people, you see like their butts like blown open. Yeah. Like, because the guy falls off the toilet and you see like his asshole like blown open by this thing. Yeah. And so they trap this slug-like alien in the toilet.

Okay, I wanna talk about this scene for one hour. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They said this scene took days and days and days and days to shoot. Really? Really? Is it because he just kept being like, seriously, the toothpick?

That's seriously what I'm doing? Yes, the toothpick. So they come home, they see this ultimate horror, the bathroom covered in blood, the man dead is asshole blown out, they have this ultimate horror, the bathroom covered in blood, the man dead, his asshole blown out. They have this creature trapped in a toilet, and they're like, sit on the toilet Jason Lee, and we'll trap him in there, and then, I guess, Thomas Jane or Damien Lee. No, Homeland. Homeland goes to get duct tape. He goes to get duct tape to figure it out.

Which I believe he calls friction tape. He does call friction tape. And I was like, oh, some sort of special tape. OK, that makes more sense. And then when he finds it and it's duct tape, I was like, no. Oh, that print. And I was wondering, is that because duct tape is like a brand name?

Oh. No. Oh, for real? I think it is, but I think it is a Xerox Kleenex situation. Yeah, I agree. OK. OK, I would say maybe it's a British thing. I have no idea.

I would say it's a British thing. Oh. Like, I think that Damien Lewis probably like a friction tape and then interesting You know, I've been on this scene for six days fucking So Jason Lee has one job to sit on the toilet. He's not wrestling with the creeps. He also has one Defining characteristic this one defining character trait that sets him apart from the rest of the guys One defining character trait that sets him apart from the rest of the guys is that in every frame of this movie up until this one moment he has a toothpick in his mouth. And while they were first interacting with the alien, the thing that he drops are his toothpicks. So he's in a, he's in, now you know, I think we can all see, courtesy, you know, this is probably as a writer, this is kind of the dilemma that you like to create.

Save the toothpick. Yeah, you have a character is probably as a writer, this is kind of the dilemma that you like to say. Save the tooth pick. Yeah, you have a character who needs his toothpicks. This is the baby carriage about to go down the stairs. It's, you know, this is really good stuff. And in the book, it still doesn't make sense. I think he believes he's either a former alcoholic or drug addict, I can't remember now, but the toothpicks are like his way of like curbing that.

Yeah. And the stress or whatever. You definitely like get, oh, this is like his coping and he's in an extremely stressful situation. There's a blown out butthole man staring at him and he wants the toothpick. There's also like 20 toothpicks, but only two didn't fall in the dead man's blood.

Yes. So, and it's still like in grabbing this, you're definitely gonna brush the blood. It's also a toothpick that's on the floor of a bathroom. Yes. Nevermind a bathroom where a man has just died. And also he's in this bathroom, arguably for two minutes. Like he couldn't curve, like he couldn't be like. There's a monster in the toilet.

Like there's real fear, there's stakes. Yes, the toilet is like a bucking bronco of a slug man trying to come out and eat his butthole. And he's like, got a munch on a toothpick. And so he's like literally taking his ass off the toilet to reach the toothpick to sit on the toilet. This is where everything is wrong. And the tone is every single note is wrong.

And they tried to make the whole thing funny. These guys are laughing through all of this. In that scene, it's like a comedy scene you'd see in an improv show where someone's like, I gotta keep that alien in the toilet. Damien Lewis runs. It's like dangerous. And then he comes back and he's just hanging there, buddy. And like squeaking like a bike horn.

He's like, Jonesy, Jonesy. Yeah. And the guys are getting the car wreck. Thomas, Jane, and Alla-Fang get in a car wreck. They pull each other out there laughing.. Oh man. We used the car flip the car eight times Yeah, and and they and and then they meet a woman who farts it It is like you you combine two movies, but neither movie knew that they were in each other's movie Like yeah, so like those guys were reacting

I like a lighter it's even a lighter big chill because they're not even addressing it's not like oh one of our friends died or it's like a horror movie or whatever with all this stuff but there is scenes that are big chill like like the one you just played where Jason Lee is cooking for everybody and they're all in the kitchen he's like got blown last night yeah like what the dinner scene where you're supposed to get to know these guys where they're all sitting around just like chatting and you're supposed, this is where you get to like like these dudes or get to know them.

And they're just awful. They just, every one of them is, each one is less likeable than the last at that, at that meal. And you're so confused by it because also you meet these characters in these kind of extreme moments in the beginning. Again, who was, again, I'm getting confused between Damien Lewis and Thomas Green. Damien Lewis crosses the street, right?

Yes. Yes. So he gets hit by a car. He looks like he's committing suicide because the cars are racing down the street and he just walks in the middle of it. He gets hit and he's like, oh, that was six months ago, I got hit by that car. But it's neither here nor there.

It's not like, oh, this is a celebration that you're finally healed or. And he was warned. And that's the thing, they know they're psychic. They know they have psychic connection with one another. One of them, Jason Beaver calls him. Jason Beaver. Jason Beaver.

Be careful. And goes, be careful. Like, I don't know what's gonna happen, but something's gonna happen. Yeah, be careful. And he goes, why? And he goes, I don't know. But gonna happen, but something's gonna happen. Yeah, be careful and he goes why and he goes, I don't know Made even more sense if like he was on the corner and a car just hit it like jump the curb and he like

He looked again as an audience member. I'm confused like is he suicidal like we have two suicidal ones now Yeah drunk one. Yeah, then there appears at the end to be like some sort of reason why it happened to him, right? They're like because that makes him He saw dud it's so he's like dud it's was calling me and I got I got hit and then they you know it's when he's dying. They're like he's dead. He's dead He sees dud it's again as he's in the ambulance. There's a lot of POV shots. Yes. Yeah, and then he said they and then uh a lot of POV shots. Yes, yeah. And then he said they, and then Thomas Jane mentions later, I think he's immune because

I think he died. But immune to what? Immune to the alien sharing his body? Yeah, but that's not the way anyone has died. Everyone dies from a blood explosion. So no one has died yet from sharing their body with Mr. Grey. So we don't know that that's a death-causing situation. Well, but the other thing is, Mr. Grey, oh god.

Mr. Grey the giant alien. Mr. Mr. Gay is how Duditz pronounces it. Yes. Very uncomfortable. Yes. Well, Duditz does a lot of uncomfortable things in this movie. Well, I think one of my favorite parts of the movie, the part where I wish there was sort of like sitcom like audience applause, is when Donnie my favorite parts of the movie, a part where I wish there was sort of like, sitcom like audience applause,

is when Donnie Wobber comes down the stairs as the adult dud, it's the reveal of Donnie Wobber. Oh, see for me, for me that reveal, for me that reveal came when the credits rolled and I was like, Donnie Wobber? Oh, the fun credits where we relive the fun dinner they had? The credit, we should get, we'll get to the credit because the credits need to be unpacked.

What's like a techno, like a drive like boom boom boom boom. We have it, we have it. It's almost like a rap version of the song. I was expecting like a Ninja Turtles rap, but it's like, Mr. Grey, he saved the day. Nope, that was done, it's in a regular way. It's like LL Cool J J from like deep what was it? You know what let's just play it for a second because it is we just talked about so so this is the final line of

The movie into the credits. This is a movie where we've just watched Aliens and people dying and it's a serious movie and it's this one right here. ["Dun it"] ["Dun it"] ["Dun it"] ["Dun it"] ["Dun it"] Jones, he's not really in your league. ["Dun it"] ["Dun it"] I got it. I got it.

They're my friends. We're all best friends. Here's the Dunitz, dreamcatcher. It is. What? That is the movie called dreamcatcher. Well that brings the big report. Why is there a dreamcatcher? What is that part of it?

Well, okay, when we see the flashback where we see the boys either like, if it was a process of getting powers and now this is like the moment where they finally fully realize hand on Duditz's shoulder to mirror the dreamcatcher They made for Duditz in arts and crafts. Yeah, and then that's still nothing Yeah I mean I assume it means like that sort of position is how they felt their powers is like Well, we used to have to touch Duditz to get the powers now He's put it in us that we can this is me taking like leaps and leaps Guys I have brought some Oxycontin We're gonna do it now

We're gonna fucking break this It's a dream catcher Catch dreams We're gonna go away for a couple minutes We're gonna take these drugs and when we come back we're really gonna get this movie We're gonna understand Can you imagine if we were like how did we not get it? Okay here it is this is the movie.

Okay, ready, okay, so done, it makes total sense. Because you gotta understand for me, like at this time, I was, I'm a Stephen King, like mega fan, super fan. And I'm most particularly a fan of the Dark Tower series that I'm, was since childhood, I've been reading those books, series that spanned his entire career. They're making movies out of it and all this stuff. But so I was, I would read anything.

And I was a huge apologist for anything Stephen King. I'd be like, I don't care, because I love him. He's been my whole childhood and adult life. I've loved his books. And it was just crushing and crippling to read this book. It made no sense. And the fact that it went on for 600 plus pages. Oh my God.

Yeah, it just wouldn't end when it did end. I feel like it was like his therapy to get out of the hospital. It's sort of like his journal in the hospital and then release it. Yes. Like it just, there's- Yes, and he's not just about it,

but he's like, it's terrible. It's just a terrible book. It's, well, I guess there's so many things that don't make sense. And one thing too that I haven't even talked about, but I feel like I assumed was that Duditz was long dead until they reveal that he is not. Oh yeah.

Like there is a remembrance of him in this time. And they're like, oh. They go like, just a Duditz. Yeah, the first, the night where he gets hit by the car and Thomas Jane almost casually kills himself, he says, I think we should go see Duddes this weekend Okay, I was also like are they talking about his gray? That's what I kind of felt like also He's an alien but can still get earthly leukemia or is that not really leukemia or is he an alien in the same way that? Mr. Gray is an alien in Jones's body. I is he just in the body of a boy?

I don't think so because. So who's that woman? The mother. Well the alien jumps out of Jonesy and Jonesy's still there. You're right. Duttist turns into an alien and there's no Duttist body.

So who's the woman? An adaptive mother? Who's that mother? Did she Superman him? Like find him in a field? Yeah, maybe. Because she's like. I think she's a caregiver, right?

Oh, I'm sorry, audience. An enormous spaceship lands on earth in this movie. Crash lands in Maine. An enormous spaceship full of aliens crash lands in this movie. But we're only gonna spend like 10 minutes on it and it's like an hour and 40 in. Yes.

I kept on writing, when is this movie starting? It really starts about 30 minutes and keep starting Yes, and different versions of the movie keep beginning every 20 to 30 minutes. We have not gotten to Tom Sizemore Oh Sizemore has a whole journey John Wayne's gun Stand in an open snowy field and just shoot a helicopter. Oh my gosh. The mowing down of the aliens. Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, the genocide of the aliens.

The massacre of aliens. Morgan Freeman's eyebrows, which were really out of control. Morgan Freeman's eyebrows were out of control. And why are the aliens standing in a field sending psychic messages? There's no virus? That's not gonna work. And they're just waving. There's no virus?

There's no virus. Don't hurt us. How did this get me? How did this get me? Yeah, like that's not gonna work. And they're just waving, like we're just waving. There's no virus, there's no virus. Don't hurt us. How did this come in? How did this come in? Going back to your point in the beginning, you're saying, well, Duttit's trained these four boys

to help prevent the alien invasion. Which is now happening as they are adults. But I would argue that it's been happening for a while because Morgan Freeman says I spent 25 years chasing this thing all around the world. So, they... Can we assume that the next arrival of aliens will neither have Morgan Freeman nor the four boys to combat it? Well, I think he says in the flashback where they go to find the girl in the drain,

which is just a normal sentence at this point. Drain girl? Drain girl, I have to breeze by. But Duttitz. Oh, I also didn't like that her name was Josie. Yes, and there's Jonesy. And there's Jonesy because Duttitz couldn't say either.

I couldn't understand what he was talking about. But he, they realized looking back that he said Mr. Gay, meaning Mr. Grey. So my thought is that these aliens have been here for 25 years going back to when Duditz came and there have been small skirmishes that the secret blue body army, blue boys, like has to keep under wraps. But that there is a bad alien amongst this race of otherwise pretty peaceful aliens named Mr. Grey who wants to start the war. That's what Duditz says is Mr. Grey wants a war.

I think they could even be from the same race and that crash landing, they are nice women and children who are like- No, I don't think they are. You don't think they are? Because they turn. Oh, that's right and they make it a virus. But Duditz looks like the same alien that he-

No, he looks different. He's different, he's a different color and he's a little nicer. But he also has a weird sharp tail. Yeah, they must be like neighbors. They must be like of a similar. And now can we get to Damien Lewis's Stewie from Family Guy Impressions?

Yes. Oh my god. Okay, so. Which is funny, because he is British. British, yeah. And he's doing a terrible. So once Mr. Grey the alien, once like nine foot alien,

disapparates into Damien Lewis. Yes, by the way, great disapparates. Thanks. Damien Lewis, Damien Lewis becomes, this is the part of the movie that was the most confounding to me. This becomes a movie in which his character is at war with himself, wherein,

who is controlling Jonesy's body? It becomes the mask. Yes, and Damien, yes, exactly. God, I wish they'd just become the mask and there had been a big Mambo number. And they have two-sided conversations where Mr. Grey is speaking in a hyperbolic British accent. Hello.

And then when Jonesy is speaking, nobody's moving, like he's not moving his mouth and he looks stoic. Also, Damien Lewis is trapped in his quote unquote memory house. Memory warehouse. Memory warehouse inside his own mind, watching all the events of the movie happen out a window. Yes, yes.

A window that he looked in as a child. That part I could not make heads or tails of. And then also he's having interactions with Mr. Grey, the slug, inside his memory bank. And the memory vault is so weird, but let's take a listen to the dueling voices and when they're kind of talking to each other. Here we go.

What was that, Mr. Jones? Why don't we just pass on the road there? Are you speaking to me? Yes, I am, Mr. Jones. Or is it Jonesy? That's what your friends call you, isn't it? Let's be friends Mr. Bond, I'm letting me live. I'm borrowing you we're going to take a little journey Fuck you. I know what that expression means. I've studied the foul language section of your memory warehouse

How about this mr. Grey eat shit and die? Mr. Gray? Eat shit and die. Why'd you call me Mr. Gray? Also for ish don't go. Oh, oh. Someone told you about me? Who told you about me? So that you get an idea. Okay, don't talk about the Germans!

Don't talk about the war! I mean he sounds like fucking It's crazy. Faulty Towers. It does. Holy shit. Apparently he was doing an impression of Malcolm McDowell. That was his actor's choice.

Amazing. Which is odd though, because he's British. Yeah. You wouldn't have to put it on. Why does the alien wanna be British? Everyone would wanna be British if they came here. They'd be like, what earthly action should I adopt? Oh, the one with the most authority.

Yes! Well, yeah, so that the one with the most authority. Yes. Well, yeah, so that's going on the entire movie. I'm sorry, Paul, no. It's not going on the entire movie. Because it doesn't start for at least an hour. Yeah. So the next hour is, the next hour and a half is when it takes place.

Right, and so they're having this. It just feels like the entire movie because it's its own movie. Is when Timothy Olyphant has been kidnapped by Jonesy Alien, Mr. Dredd. Oh, after almost having his dick get bitten off. Yes, by another ass worm. By another ass worm, or shit weasel they call him.

Yes. Oh, shit, thank you. And they're on that snowmobile. Shit weasel is amazing. Yes, that's amazing. And then finally, Timmy Olyphant's had enough of helping this alien. He's like, and he tells Mr. Gator bite his bag, goes, bite my bag.

And then Jonesy slash Mr. Gray says, I think I will bite your bag and everything else on you. And he turns around and eats him. Yeah, he becomes like a big giant like mouth, teeth. But the fact that this interstellar alien from a highly advanced civilization that's come across the cosmos is like, I think, you know what, I will bite your back. I also love the idea of the- Pete.

The idea of the memory vault is so interesting. It kind of reminds me a little bit of there's a great Sherlock where you know, like a guy- Well, memory palaces are a thing, you know, like that's like a, I understand what they're referencing, but to make it an actual place that he is trapped within is complete insanity. And that he's having like a little chase scene in there's like one part where he's like, oh, Mr. Grey is like busy. I don't know how Mr. Gray is busy, but he's like running around collecting files to then bring into his secret office,

which for whatever reason, Mr. Gray can't access, but it's just an office. Oh, they explain all of that at dinner. Yeah. He's like, well, they're like, well, what do you do about the stuff you don't want to forget about? He's like, I keep that in my secret office. That's where my Blue Bayou lyrics are,

I had to make room. But that's also the scene where they say, I mean, it's just Beaver again and again going, I don't remember the warehouse. What's the mind warehouse? Like, come on, you know the mind warehouse. No, I don't remind me. You know it, Beaver, you know what it is.

No, I don't, explain it. Come on, Beave, you know it. It's insane, it goes on forever. It's talking to the audience, which this movie, I think, does a lot. Like, can you please, like, we need help. You gotta explain it. And which goes into when Jason Lee is dying.

I, again, I just, there's so many great little clips. Jason Lee. Oh, sorry, Timothy Oldfunt when he's dying. Oh, okay, go ahead. Go ahead with Jason Lee, though. Jason Lee, at one point, Jason Lee and Damian Lewis are standing outside their cabin and a helicopter is flying above them. Jason Lee keeps a toothpick in his mouth while he's trying to shout words at a helicopter.

So he's trying to both bite down on the toothpick and say his lines of dialogue. Take the toothpick out of your fucking mouth. He's got, he's got to, we gotta know. We gotta know that he'll do anything for that toothpick. And they also are barely raising their voices and are trying to talk to people in a helicopter. Like, hey, down here. And the people are like, eh, just waving at. raising their voices and are trying to talk to people in a helicopter like hey

down here and the people are like just waving at it's nonsense well it also does my favorite dumb thing we talked about this in stealth as well where people in helicopters look out the window to talk to people as if like they're in a conversation a conversation you know which is like always the dumbest thing it's like no one's like, I'm looking at your, like there's no reason to make eye contact when in dueling helicopters. Oh, how about this? This blew my mind.

So, so Tom Jane and just a Tim O'Loughan are in a car accident because they find also a gassy person and Tom Jane's like, okay, I'm gonna go get help. Tim O'Loughlin you stay here Tim O'Loughlin gets drunk with the gassy woman okay very drunk and a shit weasel comes out of that gassy woman blah blah blah but before that Tim O'Loughlin just apropos of nothing goes you know what I think I think my friend Duttats is an alien. I was like whoa wait a

minute he explains the whole plot of the movie ridiculous this is amazing alien. That's it! This is the thing. I was like, whoa, wait a minute. He explains the whole plot of the movie. Ridiculous. This is amazing. Listen to all the exposition. Seriously, folks, there is one issue I'd like to bring up just in case I should, you know, kick the bucket out here, turn into a goddamn- Pizzicle.

Nailed it. Not that I think that's inevitable. I'm sure Henry or Jonesy or Beaver will be coming to get us soon. Nailed it. You shouldn't meet for the best fried clams in Maine. Just some innocent fried clams at the West War. You see the four of us. We're best friends. We all have this other friend by the name of Dunn. Oh my god. This is crazy.

One day, a long time ago, he gave us all this kind of gift. This ability to know things. This is in the movie. I love the composer's stings. Oh yeah. Just mind to mind, you see what I'm getting at? I think maybe our friend Dud's is not from this planet. What?

I think Dud's is from somewhere else. And he came here to prepare us for something. Crazy. Perhaps the events of this movie. What? Oh, so that's galaxies I gotta be. That happens. Wow. Oh my gosh. When you just hear that, that's- That's over an hour into the movie.

And it's very theater-like. It's sort of like, let me tell you- It's a soliloquy with the slim veil of, no, he's talking to this passed out woman who's dead, but he doesn't maybe realize She's dead, but it was also like it sounded like they were like you know just in case the audience is lost We like improvise a monologue here Tim and here are the bullet points And if you could repeat that your friends Because we like don't know if that dinner scene is gonna get us all we need it smells like a reshoot

It's like we can get him out there We'll put the snow, just explain the plot here, because we're finding people who are really checking out. Also, I really couldn't believe that I didn't find Olifant handsome in this movie. It was blowing my mind. I was like, how is, what's happening?

His hair's just a little bit down, and I'm like no longer finding this guy super attractive like he normally always is. Well, he also is a creep. Yeah. Now he uses his psychic powers to like hit on this woman and try to get her to have fried clams with him. Like the best fried clam. Oh good, it was just my subconscious being like,

you shouldn't be attracted to this. No, yeah, that's like your internal. Yeah, like red flag. Red flag, red flag. This guy's a danger. I mean, he's a reprehensible character. I think he's sort of flirting with this woman at one point or pretending they're on a date or something. Right, the dead woman with the thing out of her ass.

Yes. He's not a likable figure. Yeah, I guess maybe he, like, tried to ugly himself up because he needed to be a guy that people wouldn't be interested in. We got Thomas Jane. We got the handsome quotient down. Yeah. Who else have we got here?

Damien is pretty handsome. Let's give him a beard. Alphonse, good-looking guy. Let's's give him a beard. I'll find good looking guy Let's just make him a creep. He's a he's an alcoholic creep And then Jason Lee toothpicks Put them nerdy buddy Holly glasses on him too while you're at it. Oh my gosh This is I also loved that whenever they would flash back to the kids when they were kids And it's even when they would meet with like when they come upon Dutt-Its and the bullies are there blah blah blah

Almost every single kid is given a ball or a frisbee or a piece of sports equipment to hold A paddle with a ball at the end It's as if when you hung out with your friends you're like oh you bring a ball you bring a basketball you bring a football I'll bring a frisbee. Well, it is so funny Those flashbacks really did have the quality of a Stephen King made for TV movies from the 80s. Yes. They look like it or the stand or something

where you're like, this is not good. And that's what it felt, it felt like cheap like that. It didn't feel like there's any, because the rest of the movie is actually relatively beautifully shot. Yeah. Like the look of things is relatively nice. It's expensive, it's lovely.

Like especially the Maine stuff, like all those big, beautiful kind of like, like snowy forests of Maine. It looks gorgeous. And it's almost constantly snowing, which is like pretty visually cool. Yeah. I can't believe it's like always snowing.

Two things, one, I think that the DP is an Academy Award winning director of photography, pretty sure. I believe it. And then two, how about those animals? Yeah. I forgot about the animals running. All the practical animals running away. It was like a Warner Brothers, like an old, like what do you,

like a Bugs Bunny or something. All the animals running. Also- And they're like repeating. It was, it was. They have red stuff on them. They have signs of the virus. And we know that animals can have shit weasels

because a poor German shepherd suffers his fate. He makes them eat it. But Morgan Freeman is obsessed with the idea of a hitchhiker. Well, there was a whole woodland parade that could hitchhike out of this area. Like there are hundreds of deer carrying this virus. Why not crash 20 miles in,

like it's like right outside of Boston. The whole movie is about these aliens getting- They can also turn into mist and fly away why don't they just run? yes yes get to Boston! Why are the aliens standing outside of their ship waving why not just immediately okay you crashed great move let's go go let's go by the way Curtis you are right that the guy the cinematographer or the DP was the guy did Mad Max Fury Road Oh no if you saw if somebody was like oh, do you want to meet?

Lawrence Kasdan on this movie William Goldman wrote about yeah, you. That's what Damien Lewis said in an interview. Stephen King book, yep. He said it, he was like, hey, when Loris Kasdan hands you a script that William Goldman has written from a Stephen King novel, you go, yeah, it's an easy answer. I kept thinking about them calling their moms and being like, oh my gosh, I'm about to be in the best thing of my career.

It's all happening. And then just the sadness of like, oh boy. I mean, midway through they must have, I mean, but you read that, I guess they were all relatively lesser known then. Yes, this is before everybody's big breaks. Was Olyphonka Deadwood yet? I don't even know. He'd done Go.

Right. I think he'd done Go by then. Yeah, I think it's, yeah, because 2003, so that's pretty early for all these guys, I think, at that point. Yeah, yeah. But there's so many weird things, and I imagine also, if you're adapting that book, you must go like, I don't know if this is a good book though, because it is, I mean, the book is relatively given

like an average of a C plus rating, which is, so it's not like the best Stephen King book that you're adapting. And then also there's like weird little things, this is a detail I thought was interesting too, that Morgan Freeman's character in the book is called Colonel Kurtz in a reference to Apocalypse Now. But in the movie they were like, no, no, we don't want,

like that's even- They named him Colonel Curtis in the movie. Which I appreciated, but still, ridiculous. It's just a weird thing. And to talk about this ending- Still haven't talked about Sizemore. Oh my gosh, we gotta get into Sizemore. And the finger shooting off.

Oh yeah, there's a lot of finger and dick eating. The eyebrows on Morgan Freeman were like, Crazy. Prostatic eyebrows. There's a part where Timothy Olyphant, the shit weasel grabs onto his dick, and then he like continues to kind of talk and interact. I'm like, that guy, your dick is bitten off,

and he is not acting like he's- He didn't get it. He says it tried to bite my dick. Oh, okay, so it just got like in the area. Okay. And then he said, I always thought my ex-wife would do that. Yeah.

He throws out like a fucking like, ex-spel. An ex-wife zinger. Yeah, Catskills comic. There's so many lines that are masquerading as quips in this movie. I mean, it's like old guys, middle-aged guys, who wrote and made this movie that should have been made by young, aggressive filmmakers.

Do you guys think that William Goldman and Lawrence Kasdan were just ahead of their time and that this is an allegory for the refugee crisis where refugees are crashing ships into our shores and they are trying to spread their virus? Their virus. Their virus. The virus of terrorism. Maga. Maga.

Make America Great Again, guys. That's the H.B. Lovecraft thing, and see who Stephen King is really influenced by. H.B. Lovecraft wrote all these Cthulhu stories that were very, they weren't really that big in their own time, but all these guys, King and all these guys were super influenced. He was an insane racist and xenophobe.

Really? Oh yeah, H.B. Lovecraft. Horrible racist and xenophobe. Really? Oh yeah, H.B. Lovecraft. Horrible racist and xenophobe. And all his books, that's what they're about. Really? It's all things coming out of the ocean to fuck the women and take the, from the erudite professors and steal for the white people

and take all their stuff and from outer space. It's all references to boats and planes coming to America. And these, and always, there's always a section in it Some HP left a story where they meet like some swarthy Middle Eastern like weird cultist and it's all right. I'll audition So to talk about the end of the book in the end of the book the end of the movie So the end of the book so they get dud at a certain point So the end of the book so they get Duditz at a certain point Duditz confronts the alien they have like an alien fight and then you know Duditz dies The alien fight is so anticlimactic

When Duditz turns into an alien he's an alien for like 15 seconds They stab each other's with their tails they a shroud appears over them and they die Yeah, I think because it's all a reshoot. Because, all right, so in the book, this is what happens. In the book, it seems like, well, I know it. In the book, Henry and Duditz use their powers to smother Mr. Grey with a pillow. With a pillow? Yes.

Wow, I don't remember that at all. Inside Jonesy's mind. What? How do they get in his mind? I don't know. I think you can pull the men, can't he? Oh my gosh. So that's the end of the book.

See, we're talking about anti-climactic. A pillow? Yeah, kills the alien? Now, in the original version of the movie. And it takes two of them to push a pillow onto his face? And in the movie, instead of turning into an alien, Duttitz just does that thing with his finger where the swirly thing happens,

and then the air gets all swirly, and then it turns into a beam of light that shoots the alien back into a wall and it explodes. And then Duttitz shouts, I Duttitz, and he falls down dead. Yeah. And then they all go visit his grave site, and they sing the Blue Bayou song at his grave site,

which I do have a clip of. This is the original ending? This is the original ending. That's how it should have ended. And his gravestone has the Blue Bayou lyrics on it, which don't seem to connect with Dudette's at all. It seems like that was their thing. It wasn't like Dudette sang Blue Bayou.

No, they sang it to him to calm him down when they were trying to make him eat shit. And like I said, in the book, there's this, at this climactic moment, there's this big major reference to it with, yeah, it says Pennywise Lives, and there's actually a statue, and there's a little inscription from the kids from it,

saying Bev and all the kids from it, and saying the Losers Club for all the lost out there. And it's a whole huge it reference that I think there should be a policy that you don't reference better things that you've written. It just reminds people how shitty the thing that you're reading is.

Or it's just like a coda to remind them that they have other work. Like, oh, but remember this, don't be too mad. Available at amazon.com. But it's also like, I feel like those are the nuggets that you throw in so people buy the books. Like, hey, you know, they have a whole thing about Pennywise and it's, whoa, shit, it's like a sequel. It got me to see the movie. Right. I was like oh maybe there'll be some it

stuff in this movie. Because it's like it just is enough to be like oh yeah yeah yeah okay you know but yeah without that obviously we have a lot of opinions about this movie I want to take a moment to hear some second opinions also before we get into that, I wanna remind you that Blake Harris is on the case. He has been doing these amazing interviews with people from stealth all the way back to sleepaway camp. And he hopefully will get in touch

with somebody from Dreamcatcher. And everyone's kinda talking. So maybe we'll see, even Lawrence Kasdan was like, this movie put me in jail for a long time. William Goldman didn't write another movie until like a year and a half ago. So crazy He's a good will hunter. He had a movie with Tom Hanks That he couldn't get made. Yeah, he's like he's I had everything ready goes a novel that was written by Richard Russo You know the guy wrote nobody's fool is like we were all ready to go and like the movie lost

I was you know over like 40 million dollars. I would assume so this is bananas So definitely check out our mini episode where Blake will have somebody there and also on SlashFilm. But now let's get into some second opinions. Second opinions. From top to bottom, crazy movies are fun. They're not your first, but they're gonna be a second. From the tips of Amazon they They come second opinions for everyone.

Second opinions. These are second opinions called from Amazon five-star reviews. These are all five-star reviews of dream catcher. There's so many good ones here. Okay, let's start here from Mike. He writes, this isn't the book. How can it be?

Get over it already. Why are you making comparisons? Okay? It's a small group of people's interpretation of the story that they read. Okay? If everything was meant to be taken verbatim, then I imagine Stephen King would have done it himself.

Do yourselves a favor, put your expectations in the trash. You'll have more fun in life. Five stars. You'll have more fun. Put your expectations in the trash. Sign Donald Trump. If you expect trash, you're gonna get trash. I'm gonna put that on a pillow.

Put your expectations in the trash. And smother myself, yeah. Oh my God. Trash you're gonna get Put that on a pillow Expectations and to mother my oh my god. This is from Jonah fight I like to ski so having this movie done in the snow and having it involve aliens totally sold me I hope those warm monsters don't come to Pittsburgh. I squash them five stars I like to ski. Likes to ski. Just likes to know. His reviews also double as like slight singles ads. Check me out if you also love skiing and live in the Pittsburgh area.

Right, look out if you act wrong, I'll squash you. This is the one that I like too. It's just simple from Doc. Brilliant. I think he's actually reviewing the book. Brilliant, brilliant, Brilliant. How does a man have elements of such a book floating around in his brain?

Oxycontin, Oxycontin. Five stars. That's it. Just impressed that a man can create five stars. That's it. Just the best that a man can create. Five stars. And then this one I like because it goes on a journey. By Doppelganger. There's just a cozy feeling to it. Stephen King style, humor mixed with gore.

It's a great movie. And I even liked the story. Okay, it's not great,. And I even liked the story. I mean, okay, it's not great great, but it's really good. Especially when you have to stay inside if you get the flu or you have a broken leg. What? Hit by a car. Yeah, regardless, it's definitely worth a look. I mean, look, I've never met anyone who hated it.

And if you don't love it, you'll probably just be glad that you saw it. And then you'll move on to your next scary or funny Sunday rainy day movie. But again, this is one of my favorite movies. And everyone's got a few of those. So I know you'll understand. Five stars. That sounds like Timothy Allifant's drunks.

Hey guys, seriously folks. Listen, we're all friends, so we have to be best friends and understand that sometimes movies might not be for you, but sometimes they are when you're best friends and your friend's an alien, and you need to stay in on a rainy day. That's just me, sorry. Hope you understand.

I gotta say, look, I mean, I got it. Like, Lawrence fucking Kasdan. He wrote Emperor Strikes Back. Yes. He's amazing. And I think he even said it. Did he write much to the Jedi? Raiders. Raiders.

Raiders, Return of the Jedi, The Bodyguard, Force Awakens. In an interview I read, he's amazing. And I think he even said it, did he write Raiders, Raiders, Return of the Jedi, the bodyguard, Force Awakens. In an interview I read he said he wrote Return of the Jedi as a favor to George Lucas because he didn't want to do anymore Star Wars. He was like, I did it. And half the stuff that was in Temple of Doom, he wrote. He wrote that and they just moved it into Temple of,

he's like, you know, he's incredible. Oh yeah, I mean look, Big Chill, Silverado, Accidental Taurus, Grand Canyon, Wyatt or Mumford, like he's written like a bunch of stuff. And when you go, but I mean, it's Big Chill, Silverado, Accidental Taurus, Grand Canyon, Wyatt or Mumford, like he's written like a bunch of- And, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and or something is a movie based off one of his own books called Magic, starring a young Anthony Hopkins with a ventriloquist dummy. And it's Anthony Hopkins and a ventriloquist dummy. I won't say anything more than that,

but it's a thriller horror written by William Goldman based on a William Goldman book. Oh, I got a Magic. Highly, highly recommend that. It has this very Jonesy Mr. Grey quality to it. Oh, I'm very excited about that. I wanna see that. Final Amazon review here.

This is my favorite one, all in caps. Okay, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Wait, tell me, honestly, you're in a secluded cabin in the woods and you look out the window and you suddenly see every single animal in the forest running in horror the other way? You're not scared? Whatever.

You guys all smoked too much crack. This movie rocked. Five stars. Wait, what? Those animals weren't even running in horror. They were just trotting. They were trotting. Oh my god.

And it was very cute that scene. Yeah, it was a cute moment. It was a very bambi moment. Yeah, there's like a family of bunnies. Yeah, there's bunnies. There was like a bunny family. Oh my god. And it was very cute that scene. Yeah, it was a cute moment. It was a very bambi moment. Yeah, there's like a family of bunnies. Yeah, there's bunnies. There was like a bunny family. Oh my god. This movie, I also wanted to just share with you

the tagline of this movie. Put your expectations in the trash. Put your expectations in the trash. Put your expectations in the trash. These are the ones, because it goes, four friends hung a dream catcher in their cabin. It's about to catch something it cannot stop. That is not anything to do with this plot.

Nope, the dreamcatcher is irrelevant. Yes, yeah. Entirely irrelevant. It does technically catch the virus. Like the virus starts growing over it. Okay. It burns up. Yeah, and so it can't stop virus or fire.

I know that his wife convinced him to change the title, Stephen King's wife. Yes, from cancer. Cancer to Dreamcatcher. So that might have just been like, oh fuck, now I gotta weave a Dreamcatcher into this thing. Now I gotta go back. Yeah, you're right, because it doesn't feel... Again, there are a lot... And I think when Stephen King fails, and you would probably be able to speak to this, I mean, again, there are a lot, and I think when Stephen King fails,

and you would probably be able to speak to this more than I, Curtis, but when he fails, it's only because he's put too many ideas into something, because there are a lot of singularly good ideas in this, like the idea of that gestating alien that comes out of your ass, that's like, there are moments in a cabin, thing like can take over your body But it just then I cut him slack. He had been hit by a fucking car. He almost died

He wrote the stream of conscious. I completely cut him sack, of course, cuz whatever he's fucking great But it was all the ways and Stephen King can be bad With that like like the way that the beaver character talks that sort of slangy that doesn't exist anywhere a magical like the way that the Beaver character talks, that sort of slangy that doesn't exist anywhere. A magical, kid-stuff. Challenged, but like either mentally challenged or he'll go to the well often with like, people who are disenfranchised in society, marginalized in society, they're always magical.

And he comes from a generation, like the Baby Boomers, where that is like, obviously we make fun of it now There's like the magical Negro and a little magical this he's from that generation guys So it's every bad habit and cliche of that generation of guys thrown into a science fiction But we and again, I'll cut Stephen King the slack because he wrote it injured on Oxycontin I won't cut any of these other dildos injured on Oxycontin, I won't cut any of these other dildos, any slack, for reading that book and being like, oh yeah, we like, why can't it just be relegated to the trash heap of like, that's Stephen King's worst book. Oh, it's a bummer, it's his worst book. But everybody was like, nope, we gotta make an 80 million dollar movie out of this.

Or why don't you go, you know what, this Stephen King book is a little messed up. How can we? Yes, make more sense of it and then streamline it no no everyone's better That's the other problem too is that he tried to be too close to the material of the book It's like you know yeah Kubrick's like oh, whatever I'll take the names of the characters in a hotel of ghosts And I'm gonna make an awesome incredible. Yeah, that's Stephen King. Hey, it's Like the Stephen Webber version. Every person probably just picked their favorite major plot that there are like six of in this movie and insisted that their favorite was in and then that's how like the movie was like exactly the same.

All right, well obviously this is the time where we I don't know where you all fall in this but we'll say Would you recommend knowing that we're watching movies? That are you know they're they're bad good you know or good bad Would you recommend this to someone to see I'll start and say I do I was thoroughly entertained And we we didn't even touch on bigger things Yeah, we barely like here's what I'll say I really Yeah, we barely touch like here's what I'll say I really do I When the movie started to focus more and more on Morgan Freeman and Tom size more in the army and all that I lost

Steam pretty hard Up until then great loved it. Yes. I I'm so sorry. Did you want to go? No, no, no go for it I I've seen it three times So yes, I would absolutely recommend it. If for nothing else, just the Jonesy, Mr. Grey mask, you know, that stuff was so funny to me and jarring. That alone is worth the price of admission and the animals running also really sold.

Yeah, I think if you're in like a snowy cabin and you have the flu, why not pop this movie? Or if you broke your leg. Or like, if you broke your leg, I don't know. Pittsburgh area? You guys understand, there are worse movies and don't be too mad. I've never heard of anybody say like they hated it. Yeah, like certainly no, and like even if you watch it and you don't love it. But it is your favorite movie. Well, and like even if you watch it and you don't love it.

But it is your favorite movie. Well, and everyone's got a couple of those. Um, yeah, I think there's enough redemptive, like ridiculous fun in this. I mean, like just the fart stuff alone, I'm so incredulous that that was in this movie. Oh, it's crazy. Yeah, it's, it's, it's, it's comical farts.

It's like, it's like wet hot American summer style fart. And then like, then the guy leaves and they're like, whoo, opening windows. Like, oh boy, like cut to like Laugh Track. It was like just insane. So I would love a cut of this movie like Curtis said, like where it is like Laugh Track and applause breaks like a sitcom style thing.

And like, ooh. Did Loris Kasdan write anything else between this and The Force Awakens? I think he wrote that. He wrote that movie, I believe, like Sweet... I call it like a... not an older person movie, but it is an older person movie. It was like Sweetest Kiss or something like that. Well, you can do that research yourself.

Sorry, sorry. But if you have an opinion on this movie, we'd love to hear it. You can call us at 619 Paul Ask. That's P-A-U-L-A-S-K. 619 Paul Ask. Are you still taking calls at 619 Paul Ask? That's for... That's a different line for a different show, but yeah.

I am taking it. But this is more for the podcast and Dreamcatcher. Or you can leave a comment on the EarWolf.com message board. But now let's talk to our amazing guest. Jess, you have a brand new show on ABC Digital. Talk to us about this show. Yes, it's called Serious Music. It's on, you can watch it on abc.com for free.

Oh, nice. Yeah, if you got the ABC app. But you can just watch it for free. And it's about me and my writing partner, Zach Reno, playing versions of ourselves where we're two comedians who write songs and like a Justin Bieber type Thinks one of our songs is real and hires us to be songwriters So then we like our undercover trying to understand the music industry and make him a less shitty person. That's awesome I'm very excited and you and Zach are amazing and your songs are great and can people find them online, too

Yeah, you can like find the Zach and the Jess on YouTube and see some of our vids. Some classic vids. Some classic vids. We'll check those out. Watching those vids? Yeah, just watch those vids. Curtis, do you have anything you would like to plug, talk about? Fuck, no.

I'm a TV writer so I wander the hills just crying, waiting for the next gig to come in and being upset. So there's nothing I can particularly plug. But you can plug your Twitter or your Facebook or your Instagram. Sure, sure, sure. Yeah, if you wanna see my adorable dog, you can come follow me on Instagram or Twitter, whatever, it's just Curtis Gwynn.

That's awesome. And Jason, what do you got to talk about? Nothing much really. All right. I will plug that we will be in Anaheim later this month for the Now Here This Fest Saturday night You can come check that out go to nowherethisfest.com also check out Blunt Talk on that for a couple episodes this season and Make sure you check out our mini episode next week

You can check out Blake's article on slashfilm and you just talked to the the technical advisor stealth and it was a great interview And you can follow us at HDTGM on Twitter and on Facebook Big thank you to our engineer Sam Avril Halle who from movie bitches who cuts all of our clips. She's amazing July Diaz Nate Kylie Marissa Zeitz Leanna Waldron and everybody here at ear wolf. Thank you so much for listening as we leave Let's take a quick listen to all the main characters from the movie singing Blue Bayou from the edited version, the ending of the movie. There you go. Saving nickels, saving dimes, working till the sun don't shine. Looking forward to happier times on Blue Bayou

I'm going back someday Come what may to Blue Bayou