How Did This Get Made? - Driven LIVE!

Episode Date: August 8, 2025

Before F1 The Movie came Sylvester Stallone's 2001 motorsports drama Driven—a movie in which Formula 1 refused to participate and resulted in the end of Sly's relationship with director Renny Harlin. LIVE from Vancouver, Paul, June, & Jason discuss all the montages set to rap rock, Burt Reynolds' desire to sit down, the deadly Chicago street race, Gina Gershon's fashion arc, a 55-year-old Stallone playing a 37-year-old, the daycare right next to the racetrack, and so much more. Plus, they ask important questions like "Did Memo want to get cucked?" and "Can you have 2 blonde men on screen together?" Keep humming Joe! • Go to hdtgm.com for tour dates, merch, FAQs, and more• Have a Last Looks correction or omission? Call 619-PAULASK to leave us a voicemail!• Submit your Last Looks theme song to us here• Join the HDTGM conversation on Discord: discord.gg/hdtgm• Buy merch at howdidthisgetmade.dashery.com/• Order Paul’s book about his childhood: Joyful Recollections of Trauma• Shop our new hat collection at podswag.com• Paul’s Discord: discord.gg/paulscheer• Paul’s YouTube page: youtube.com/paulscheer• Follow Paul on Letterboxd: letterboxd.com/paulscheer• Subscribe to Enter The Dark Web w/ Paul & Rob Huebel: youtube.com/@enterthedarkweb• Listen to Unspooled with Paul & Amy Nicholson: unspooledpodcast.com• Listen to The Deep Dive with June & Jessica St. Clair: thedeepdiveacademy.com/podcast• Instagram: @hdtgm, @paulscheer, & @junediane• Twitter: @hdtgm, @paulscheer, & msjunediane  • Jason is not on social media• Episode transcripts available at how-did-this-get-made.simplecast.com/episodesGet access to all the podcasts you love, music channels and radio shows with the SiriusXM App! Get 3 months free using the link: siriusxm.com/hdtgm

A movie where the most important thing isn't winning. It's winning. We saw Driven, so you know what that means? Now we're going to be. Radio's gone. How this is... What's the naked, boy, baby in his belly, rock a wine, snow, vest, rock, with him just into Kelly.

A man you see a burl at show with Nick Crow. And take a focus speed to hitting groups control. Jay Lynn, Big Paul and the beautiful June Gonna take you from the pool all the way with the road Rainer in the street body helps you blow off steam Just a sucker punch the odd light for Tipping Greyshot, middle, the bird Demick, how you stand in live They call me in a bad ass and he's on the line

Cranking 88 minutes because they cool as high Cause a bad Jim Barney looking kind and nice Paul in June getting literal Jason is getting laid June is making sure all the monkey shots get paid There's a bunch of movies while they're making the grade Here's a real question on you, how did this get paid? Hello people of Earth and hello people of Vancouver. We are back in Canada for a very hot, a very sweaty Stallone Summer.

That's right. Sylvester Stallone Summer is heating up, and tonight we are talking about Driven, a movie that came out in 2001, the tagline was, welcome to the human race. Oh, damn! Damn! This movie is deep. Now, you don't know about Dribbin.

I'll tell you this much. IMDB, they gave us a little logline for it, and the logline on the IMDB website is this. A young hot-shot driver is in the middle of a championship season and is coming apart at the seams and a former cart champion is called in to give him guidance. That's a movie. Now, if you're keeping track of our Stallone stats, I will tell you this.

Driven is the 11th Stallone movie that we have covered on the podcast. He has the third most appearances of the first. any actor only behind Jason Statham and Frank Welker but that doesn't really count. In addition to Driven, we have covered Judge Dred, Cobra, Stop Bar My Mom, will shoot, Demolition Man Over the Top, Rhinestone, Tango, and Cash, the specialist

Oscar, and Expendables Four. Great. Well, well, well, we are here. This movie, I remember being so excited to go to the theater and see a Kip Pardue film. Oh, boy, oh boy.

A part that. that according to an IMDB trivia fact, was offered to Leonardo DiCaprio. There's no proof that that is true. But I like the idea that it could have been. Tonight we're going to break down this movie. We're going to talk about everything, and we have a bunch of cart racing experts here tonight.

That's right. Please welcome my co-host, Mr. Jason Manzouka. What's up, jerks! Let's go! Let's go, Vancouver! Yeah! That's right. Give me the balcony!

Fuck yes! Fuck yes! Trapped in a country I hate. Eat shit, guy. Until you're the 51st state. Black it out, black it out, Curtain. They asked me before the show,

what should we do? They said, what should we do if someone starts heckling you from the audience? I said, don't worry, we will heckle them. They're trapped in here with us. We brought this movie here to Vancouver for one important reason. reason. This movie?

Yes. Because one of the races happens in Toronto? And it stars, and it stars your very own, Estella Warren. Yes. Canadian synchronized swimming champion. If you didn't know it, the movie has a very, well, you'll get to find out

in the movie. So are you happy? We have one of your heroes in the movie. Everywhere you go in Canada It's Shea posters and Estella Warren posters Back and forth We have an expert here tonight Someone who knows a lot about synchronized swimming

Someone who has found a home here in Vancouver For the last few months Please welcome June Diane Rivio Wow Hello, June. How are you? Hi, Paul. I'm okay. How are you? I'm very good. Thank you so much for asking. Yeah.

June, I heard you enjoying this film in the other room today as I was preparing. That sounds dirty. I'm going to say that sounds dirty. I had a great time. By the way, I thought Sly looked good. I'm not afraid to say it By the way, 100% agree Everyone in this movie is a stone cold hunk So I just wish it was Longer

Wow, yes More montages Yes And then it's a perfect movie No Notes Yeah, I agree 100% I mean for a lot of the movie I was like

You know what, this movie's not going to deliver Because nobody's going to race Are these Formula One cars? What are these? They're not Formula One, these are cart races. Carts? Are we calling them Carts? CART. C-A-R-T. They're not Formula One. They're not NASCAR. Are these go-carts?

Well, I changed my opinion of the movie immediately. At what misunderstood and these are go-carts. Wait a second. Paul. These are go-carts? Here's what I'll say. Because you said in your introduction that Cy was a go-kart

champion and Jason and I turned to each other backstage and said what? Yeah. I was like, I thought these were like Formula One cars, and these are go-karts? Well, they are called cart, not go-kart, but at one point when the brother... Is there a lawnmower engine? Apparently, yes. That's why they could race through Chicago like that. But I was like, you know what, this movie's not going to get me unless they race dangerously

through a big-time city, and guess what? They did. They took their go-carts, they raised them right through Chicago. I'm going to be clear, at least three dozen pedestrians' parents. in that chase. But you know what? Those deaths are worth it so that they can have that father-son moment after the race is done. And I was like, okay, so he was fine.

Kipperdu was fined $25,000 for that, like, street race. And I was like, but what about the criminal charges? Yes. Because people were harmed. Yes, what about the vehicular homicide that we clearly watched in the movie? There is moments where manhole covers are flying. lying back, so the duck.

Well, it had to hit somebody. Yes. You know how heavy that is? I mean, you have sent airborne a murder disc. Yes. I mean... Murder disc, by the way, is a horror movie I'm doing about competitive... About competitive

Frisbee guys. So don't steal it, Canada. I was so blown away in that sequence because they're going so fast that they drive by a bus station and the glass breaks. I'm like, whoa! Then the cop takes out his gun. It's like, $1.95. I'm like, oh, it didn't seem that.

I agree. It doesn't seem that fast. But also, so I didn't know what that event was that they were at. I don't know what that was. Dinner party? No, that was like a gala, babe. That was a gala. It was like a showcase for the new cars. Okay, but I have to imagine that the new cars that are the model cars on the floor are not, or carts, whatever they be, weren't like ready to drive. You see in the movie so many times how hard it is for them to get

in the car and get it into driving, like, capabilities. It takes four or five other people to get that to be even possible. And they're jumping in like it's a fucking Volkswagen Passat. And they're just

like, they're driving a Characco home. Now, I will say this. A lot of online discussion. You can't even start that car from like we think of... Like a cold start? You'd have to get somebody behind it to like start the engine. Flintstone?

Yeah. But here's... Yes. Oh, go ahead. I just want to... I actually do want to drill down on on what the type of racing was because after watching F1 which I enjoyed and after watching this I was like, oh I don't like racing. I don't like that's not for me and

that's okay but I'll I never I think I've seen it at its most engaging and most thrilling, and I say no. But was that, that's not F1, so did they race in, like, Daytona or the Indy 500? Those are the only two I know. Also, this is obviously on a world tour they're on. They're going to all these countries, all these cities. I will say this.

It dissolved in 2003, cart racing. Cart racing. What we're looking at doesn't even exist? No. Wow. So this is what it is based on mint. You're saying this is an extinct sport? We've got to bring it back.

It was a... It will sly bring it back. It is a championship auto racing teams, CART. Okay, is a sanctioned body for the American... First of all, stop saying CART. Okay, so wait a minute. So CART doesn't even...

That's an acronym? Yes. Okay, get fucked movie. CART was founded in 1979, dissolved in 2003. Wait a minute. This is a, like, oh, whoa. I thought I was gaining access

to a real thing. Same. Same. I'm mad. Here I am. Backstage, looking up like, can a 52-year-old still become champion at cart? Well, this is it. Well, here's the thing. Cart owners broke off to form their own series, and the sports biggest race in Centerpiece is the Indianapolis 500. Oh, it was right about that. So throughout the 80s and 90s, the Cart Indie Car World Series

became the preeminent open wheel auto racing series in North America. So everything else is closed wheel? What does that mean? It features a diverse schedule of super speedways, short ovals, road courses, and street circuit. I don't know. Can

Mario get on this card? What's the deal? Here's the thing too that I struggle with. With F1 in this movie, all of the scenes where are watching our drivers work out. Why? Yeah. And honestly, some of them seem too big to get in the car.

If you have to get in and out in five seconds, and that's a part of, like, the regulation... You can't be that jack. Don't get muscle. Don't stop running, stop doing whatever you're doing, and sit down. Here's my question. Why aren't these guys jockeys?

Why aren't they got... That's a great question. Yeah, we need little... Less weights. Their legs have to reach the pedals. Move them. Move the pedals. It's cards.

It's not real. Well, it seems like the original plan for this movie didn't work out, and this is a press conference that we found from 1997. Here we go. So this is Stallone. That's Robert Rodriguez behind him. And show this sport and all the grandeur and intelligence and creativity and uniqueness that it does possess. And that's why we're here now. And if I can, I'd love to get to Bernie Ecclestone, get up here and sign the contract so I know that everything is going to happen. Bernie?

So Stallone was going to make his... Formula One, it says. He was going to make his own F-1 movie. They read the script and said, we're out. The script to this movie? Yes. Wow. And it became a cart movie.

So he was going to make F-1. They had done press about it. He had gone there. He was scouting it. It was all going to be F-1, and they said no. What I understand from seeing F-1, they're all about branding. And they're like, Nope, on this one.

Well, I have to say one thing I was proud of, I knew that the fact that Target was a brand on the cart of our villain, I was like, he's going to have a turn. There's no way Target has co-signed on sponsoring this map. And what I loved about this movie, this movie that is a referendum on masculinity, I believe. Finally.

Finally. Finally. finally. Men and their emotions are responsibly depicted on screen. I felt like I loved him as a villain because he was giving me real Ice Man from Top Gun vibes. Yes, he's the villain, but he's still inescapably part of the team. They look too similar.

Oh, yeah. You cannot have a hero and villain that look this similar. And by the way, having two blonde men on screen together in the beginning of the movie was, Absolutely confounding to me. And I know I've said before that blonde men are silly billies, and I know that a lot of people had a reaction to that. We got to get rid of them.

But I, to have two silly billies together, like that. Did not like it. I couldn't remember who was who. And I was confused at which team he was on because I was like, wait, I thought he's on this. But you know what it does? It helps remind you which one is Stallone. Whoa, you're right, Jason. Because cutting a swath through this three.

All these blondes, all these tall blondes. Is this little pocket-sized Wolverine? Sorry, I know he's one of yours, Bub. By the way... He really pops. Oh, of course he does, because he's at least 40 years older than everybody in the movie. I want to just drill down in that for a second.

How old do you think Jimmy is? Jimmy Slide? Oh, sorry. Jimmy Tonto. Jimmy Tonto, Tonto, which is the name of a blade shape. A knife, a knife blade shape? Sorry, sorry, Joe Tonto. How old is Joe Tonto?

The character of Joe Tonto? How old is the character of Joe Tonto? I'll ask it again. How old do you think the character of Joe Tonto is? Wait, Jimmy? Nope, Joe, Joe Tonto. Joe Tonto. Stallone's character?

Yes, Stallone's character. In the movie. How old is the character or how old is Stallone? Right, so how old is Jimmy? Oh, Jimmy. Joe. Let me ask it again. How old is Joe Tonto?

Joe the Hummer Tonto. Yes. Yes. Joe the Hummer Tonto. And it never occurs to Stallone the other meaning of Hummer. I mean, and it should. He wrote the script.

And I believe there was a leaked audio clip of him getting a blowjob. So he should be aware of it. That's exactly right. But by the way, those hummers, I want to talk about the hums for roughly the next hour. By the way, just so you know, in the crowd, there was a sign. Keep humming, Joe.

Bly is top man, just to get ESPN as the last letters. Do better art department. Also, keep humming Joe. It's like there's so much space after Joe. I loved it. I mean, we can play the humming scene if you want. My answer to you, Paul, though, is 39. June?

The character. The character of Joe, the Hummer Tonto. I'd say the character, because he's washed up. Yes. And again, I'm just going to go back to, like, what I know about having to be in that tiny space and do what they do. It doesn't seem you need to be in fit or any certain age. Like, you don't need to be in your prime at all. But I know he's washed up in the world of the movie.

Seems like it's a young man's sport. I know, but again, I ask why. But put that over there for a second. I'm going to put him at, like, the character at, like, 47. Okay. 37. 37. Stallone himself was 55 when he made it.

Yes. Exactly. But he was a... Exactly, which is too old. 52, he could have gotten away with it. 55, though, too old. all agree. 37.

Stallone is 37. That's impossible to imagine. It makes a lot more sense that his contemporary is that young man.

Well, no, what makes all the sense in the world is what we know to be true, which is his contemporary is Bert Reynolds. Stallone and

Bert Reynolds are peers and they have a father-son relationship? I don't think so. Right. Their brother is like, Robert, Sean Leonard, and Kipp.

Yes, the other guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Robert Sean Leonard miscast as the Smarmy brother because he's just a sweetheart all the time. He's a sweetheart all the time. But I, God, the end scene where he's looking at his brother after that big win when, by the way, the big emotional narrative of the movie is that they start one place and I guess really end this very same place. I didn't think that a lot happened on the journey there. It's like a circular track. We started where we began.

We just completed a laugh. We ended where we began. You got it just until you pick up the quarters. But once we got there in that big moment at the end and they cut to Robert Schroland, he's looking at him and he smiled, I cried. Oh. I did. I want to be very clear. I cried.

I cried a number of times in this movie. I cried a number of times. And in fact, I wrote a note in my notes that was, here's what I would like. Here's what I want for the next fast and first. Furious movie. Uh-oh, what do we got? Put Memo in the crew. Okay. Justice for Memo.

Memo is amazing. My guy is out here. I want him to win. I believe that Stallone wrote memo for Jean-Claude Van Damme. Yes. Because he had a very Jean-Claude energy. That's interesting. And I loved how just good vibes memo was. Memo was like,

you want to fuck my wife? Yes. Fuck my wife? It's cool with me. I'm not jealous. Memo was fine. Memo is the best dude in the world. I fucking loved him. And honestly, after he's paralyzed, I think, from the waist down, he seems to be taking it in stride.

He's like, yes! With a smile on his face, he is screaming, I cannot move my legs. This movie tries so hard to, like, I feel like this movie is conflict. Like, what is it? Is it a story about, like, is it like Rocky, but Rocky plays Mickey? No. It's Rocky playing Rocky, but it's like, there's so many variables and you're thrown into so many relationships when Gina Gershant shows up, I'm like, wait a second, I don't

even know how to feel about this. Yeah. Well, I was so happy to do this there. Oh, I loved her. When Gina Gershon showed up in a boot cut low rise, I was like, wow. And let's go back. Can we go back to boot cut low rise? Yeah, I know, Jason, you've said it a number of times on this podcast.

You don't like a high-rise gene. I don't like it. Makes no sense. And I don't know. A lot of women to have different feelings about it, but I know you love... I'd love to talk to them about it. I know you love the low-rise gene era. But she was giving...

I'm sorry, that's a wonderful performance. She was... When she said in the mirror after Luke... We haven't talked about Luke yet. That woman whose job, I'm not... clear on at all. The reporter who just started flying with them and it's hanging out in like

it seems like the pit crew. You got to remember this is when newspapers had all the money in the world and they could send a reporter on a year long tour of cart racing. It's America's America's fifth biggest racing. But also I feel like this is one of those

movies where when a woman has a man's name you're like, oh she's got to be interesting. Oh yeah. When Gina Gershon though said after Luke came in and they had that moment in the bathroom together. Great scene. And when Luke was leaving and she goes, your mascara is running.

And Gina Groshan said something back to her. And then she looked in the mirror and said, stupid bitch. I was like, I loved this movie. I loved it. And I loved the, all the, it's just a series of romantic triangles that just keep moving like magnets closer together and farther apart.

But we're not getting enough information to feel totally invested because it seems like Estella Warren is... Sophia? Or Sophie, I'm not sure. Sophia Simone. Yeah, that's right. Sophia Simone. Oh, wow. Is Bo's girlfriend. He breaks up with her... They're engaged.

They're engaged, right, yes. That's the ring she gives back? And then the next night, or maybe, let's say, two nights later, she's at a bar and she's like, look, I don't want to get in another relationship. And then the next day, they're in a relationship. Down to clown. Let me ask you a question. But there is serious. She's not trying to help you.

No, no, no. I want to ask you a serious question, Jason. And it might be the same question. Great. What? What does Sophia want? Oh, what does she want? Oh, that's a great question.

What drive? Wait, wait. What drives? Oh, wow. I could never tell. I'm like, I don't know what. I mean, I get that she's upset. She's like, why won't they ever let me compete?

I'm clearly very talented. I got to fucking go around here all the time. I don't even work in the pit crew. I can do this. And this leads me to what part of my question was, which is, is she employed in any way in any of the team? She seemed to just be hanging around. Okay, so for quite a while I thought she was employed because they are very,

loose about who gets headphones. They're very cool about who gets to have headphones so that they can be like, hey, shut up. Hey, don't you stop talking. Yeah. I thought she was, so I believe my question though was, do you

think she and Jimmy? No. Jimmy. Jim, the kid. Jimmy, Jimmy, are they involved romantically or are they in a Yes. Do you really think that or are they just hanging out? No.

Well, what do you, how do you define hanging out? Hmm. Well, here's why I'm asking. Here's where I am asking. A thousand percent. How in the world does Sylvester Stallone make a movie in which there is a romantic couple and there is not a sex scene? I don't know. I was upset about it.

Because, I will tell you. Because that is shocking to be so much so that I was like, it's, they make such a point in the movie of telling him over and over again, she's not over, Bo. She's not ready for you. That I was like, oh. Oh, maybe they are just hanging out. And he wants more, and she is, as she does, goes back to Bo. I don't know. I'll just give you a couple, just little things keep in your head.

Stallone wrote 25 drafts of this script. The original... 24, too many. Yep. Original script, 220 pages long. Shoot it, baby, shoot it. The original cut of this movie, five hours. What?

Stallone used to be best friends with Rennie Harlan, the director. But when the movie shifted focus to Kip Perdue, they never spoke again. Whoa. Oh, was that not the intention, please? No. Okay. So basically the studio wanted more Chip. Kip.

Kip. Chip. Chip. And that is... And he is the heir to the Purdue Fortune? The Purdue chicken? Yeah. And it was odd that he would not let that a Purdue chicken on the car.

I do want to read this quote because this is pretty much a, this is Stallone talking about it. Racings very much like the world of acting. You got your front runners and you have your guys that are there for the long race. And you have your other guys that block for people. They're called supporting actors. Oh, God. I disagree. Very respectfully, I just agree.

It's all the same kind of situation, and you realize it can't be number one. You can't be the guy in front all the time, so you can lend support, and you can help nourish and encourage someone else. It's like your experiences live on and someone else. If you can find some young actor, and you can say, listen, don't do this, and don't do that, and avoid this, and avoid that, and you share your experiences, and then he succeeds. you can say, you know what? I kind of contributed to that. As an actor, you got to learn. You can't be number one, the hard way.

Unfortunately, I did. That's incredible. That's incredible because at the end of the movie, Bert Reynolds says to him, you could have won, couldn't you? And he says, I did. And that's the sentiment that he's trying to get across. And there is such a push-pull in the movie

that he clearly needs, way as he became into the Rocky movies and the Creed movies, he still wants to have the win. Well, he's not good. He's not going to give it up. And as a matter of fact, I don't mean to do this, but June heard me editing this and was very confused. Well, I heard you editing in the other room and I was like, you're editing a scene that I didn't see in this movie. So enjoy this little mashup. I think it's self-explanatory. Obviously, two films written by Sylvester Stallone. Everybody trips. That's okay. That's life. It's how fast you get up the counts.

So get up, Jimmy. But get up fast. But it ain't about how hard you hit. It's about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward. How much you can take and keep moving forward. That's how winning is done. Now, if you know what you're worth, now go out and get what you're worth.

But you've got to be willing to take the hits and not pointing fingers saying you ain't where you want to be because of him or her or anybody. Cowards do that, and that ain't you! You pick up a paycheck to help me out because you didn't help yourself when you had the chance. Why does that make you so much better than me, Joe?

Now I start to get a little ahead. I start to get a little something for myself, and this happens. Now, I'm asking you as a favor not to go through with this, okay? This is only going to end up bad for you, and it's going to end up bad for me. And you don't even know what the hell you're talking about.

And you don't know who you are anymore. Somebody put it in your mind you've got to be perfect every time out of your failure. Well, forget that. Just forget it. Then the time come for you to be your own man and take on the world, and you did. But somewhere along the line, you changed. You stopped being you.

You let people stick a finger in your face and tell you you're no good. And when things got hard, you started looking for something to blame. Like a big shadow. And winning, it's an attitude. So if you trust me, no, if you trust yourself, by the end of the season, you'll either be on top or you won't. top or you won't, but I guarantee that you're going to know what Jimmy Bly has really made of. But until you start believing in yourself,

you're going to have a life. Incredible. You know what? I got to tell you, though, I, you know, I love a Slymona a lot. I, like, I, I'm sorry, that works. It does. It doesn't it? It works. It works. It works. works every time. And I mean like, and by the way, I'm like, yes

Jess from Gilmore Girls. Get it. Let's go. I do. And in that movie, in that movie, Stallone, I believe, is playing 39? Yes. He's younger and Balboa. Oh, man. I would love to talk about the denim hat

that Tina Grishon wore. Because here's the thing about that hat. I paused. When he came on screen, I spent a lot of time with it, because it was half bucket hat and half like witch's hat. It was something

I had never seen before in all my days. Here's the thing. The movie appears to be written by and for rap rock. Including all of the fashions. I mean, when I saw this movie, music by BT, I was like, wow.

This is before they got S. This is before they got S. I was like, this is not ringing any bells for me. Guys, that's the best joke of the night. It's not going to get better than that. I wrote that joke down. I didn't say because I was ready for it. There's also so much music in this movie that, like, it's so fascinating that there's no dialogue in the trailer because, like, there's barely any dialogue in the movie.

There's so much music that at a point I was like, oh, my Spotify must be on on my computer. Like, this can't be the movie. There's never a moment of silence. And it is very disruptive and intrusive music. throughout. And that was bizarre. Did you notice, though, once Memo gets paralyzed and is in the hospital, all of Gina Gershon's outfits go to, like, school marm. She goes from dressing so insanely great in the races, cowboy hats, all sorts of craziness, to, like, I believe, an Amish woman. Yes. Well, now she's living a different life. Okay, because I was really tracking that journey

through her clothing and I was like she seems so happy and content in that hospital room. I mean, does his dick still work? I'm gonna ask that question. I think the answer is yes based on like... Did you watch the cut scene?

Did you watch the post credit scene? No, I didn't know there was... Oh yeah, the post credit scene's all about his dick working. Yeah. It's a pretty exciting scene. So... She picks three quarters up off the floor. Okay, this all makes sense.

Because based on what we had seen, seen before and how... She checks his balls. Quarter, quarter, quarter. Based on what we had seen before about her character, I was like, what's she so happy about? Now I know. Well, she doesn't have to travel anymore.

So here's my other question for both of you. Who was the girl backstage who said that she needed to kiss all the podcasters before... She had a bet with someone that she could kiss all the podcasters before the show? And you guys both kissed her. Yeah, I mean, she asked nicely. I said, you lost.

Who was that woman? What were we to learn from that scene? I was... It was spounding. What was the purpose of having that woman be, A, able to get in the pit right as the race is about to start? The only thing I can think is that they're in the five-hour cut that wasn't released. And by the way, release the release the still. Alone cut. Release it. Release it. Release the smooch cut.

But in that cut, I imagine she must be established that he is a bit of a womanizer and has many women. I have a feeling that Stallone's kind of like, you know, in baseball, you know, there's a girl who runs out on field and she kisses the guys. I think you're right. It would be funny if, you know, in the race car, there's a girl runs out, because of the guys. I think that's 100% right. I also think it's there to make us feel like Bo still cares for Sophia? Sophia Simone?

Sophia Simone. The swimmer. I feel like, yes, it's meant to be like he's not going to do that. He really is still carrying that torch for her because I think the movie wants us to believe they're supposed to be together. They were engaged. They were engaged.

Oh, yeah. Oh, I'm aware. I mean, he broke up with her on a whim. He's like, am I in your way? He's like, yeah, you actually are. Get the fuck out of here. It's like, wow. And then she leaves and he's like, all right, I'm done. And then Stallone crosses battle lines to go over and give girl advice. Like, hey, let me tell you, go talk to her.

And he's like, all right, I will. Like Stallone's working both sides of this. You're forgetting. You guys are forgetting. It's about the brotherhood of speed. Yes. It's about the brotherhood of speed. And that's what they're all a part of.

And you guys don't understand that. Well, now let me ask you this question. But the women understand it more than even they do. I agree. And they're okay with it all because they need to pour that champagne in each other's mouths. They need to take that bottle, jerk it so hard. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Hey.

Oh, give it to me. Give it to me, Jimmy. And then Stallone's like, I gotta get in there, too. It does feel like, the movie does feel like it's building to some sort of Itumama Tompient situation. Truly. But I guess the question that I... Where you just see Gina Gershant and... Sophie Simone coming out of the room

while the rest of the guys are like partying in there it's a rap rock let them let them have their weekend let the bodies hit the floor so I guess my question is this and not to be insensitive in any way I was shocked when it was revealed

that Bert Reynolds was in a wheelchair and then when Bert Reynolds and Stallone have their moment was he alluding that Stallone paralyzed Bert Reynolds I think so So is that like the trajectory is like... But there's so many moments in this movie,

like that scene where you're like, huh? Like the moment in the, again, where Gina Gershahn in that big gala scene is talking to Stallone and she's like, and if you're not going to make it by midnight, you're never going to make it. If you don't do it by midnight tonight, it's never going to happen.

And I'm like, what? What is it? Yeah. Like it was like, and it seems like, and at least, and I don't want to make it. any aspersions on anyone's whatever but it seems like that reporter's a little bit more chaste like she's not going to... Careful Paul

I just felt that she was a little buttoned up, forced alone especially next to Gershan. She had a red body suit on that was a little off the shoulder in the pool scene what are you talking about wait oh yeah the pool well she was asking some pretty hard editing questions

I just felt like... Okay yes she was a little compared to Gina Gershant so like Gina Gershans like you better fuck this reporter by midnight or it's never going to happen? Is that what she was... Whoa. Is that what they were talking about? No, that's what I took it. Oh, that's what I thought. No. No, I don't know what she was talking about. I just

know she wasn't talking about that. No, because Stallone's like talking to her and then she comes over and that's why they get upset with each other in the bathroom. Thank you, Vancouver. Thank you. But I don't think... I get symbolism. But I definitely don't think that's symbolism, first of all.

The symbol of a woman being someone he wants. And then... Wait. I don't think, wait. You think that Gina Gershahn is saying, if you don't fuck this reporter by midnight, you'll never fuck her? Yeah.

That's what you all think too? Why did... Who fucks before midnight? She knows she has a deadline in the morning. She's got to get up and put her stories. No, she doesn't. She has... many more cities to go to. She's,

she's on an endless journey with the, with the cart team. Wow. And why? I'm still furious cart is an acronym. I'm really, I haven't recovered from that either, but I'm so why is Gina Gershant? Like, why is she tracking that? Whatever.

She's taunting him, thank you. She's taunting him because she's like, you are a, like, she's like, I got the better version of you. He's younger, he's better. And she's like, you know what? She's still angry. You left me. The minute I get something going,

you come back here and you're messing up with my dying. Here's what's hard. You're really channeling her. You are. Paul, hey, hey, Paul. Did Jimmy Tonto

hurt you? The minute. I'm going to fuck your brains out. What? You're fucked your brains out. Here's what's interesting about the movie. I'm going to fuck the reporter for you.

And then she, That's why she's upset, dumb bitch. She's like, yeah. She's like, ah, she would have gotten in there by midnight. Wow. I've never seen Paul this fired up in my life. Wow. Here's the thing.

Only a movie written by Stallone, what's so hard in this, for both Bert Reynolds's character and Gina Gershant's character, is both of them appear to have legitimate grievances with Stallone, but Stallone won't let the facts of those grievances become part of the movie's narrative. I agree.

So they aren't allowed to say, here's how you hurt me, here's how I'm still hurting because of you, they instead have to be, you're secretly the hero we need. And in fact, what's so shocking to me in the movie is that when Jimmy, not Jimmy, when the kid, is the kid's name Jimmy? The American guy and the guy. Okay, when the kid and Bo go to to save Memo, right? In my mind, and I wrote in my notes, I'm shocked that Stallone allowed an act of heroism

to happen that he wasn't a part of. But when the newscaster at the end of the movie is reporting on the events that happened, he includes Stallone's character as one of the three heroes who saved

Memo's life. Come on. That is Stallone all the way. And if you want to understand America, this is the Rosetta Stone. The Rosetta Stallone. Put that in.

Put that in. Black it out. The show's over. Go home, idiots. So, but by the way... The Rosetta Stallone absolutely is a T-shirt that I make. I... I love that. I mean, I think we got the shirt.

And it's written in the original script. Beau did not try to rescue memo. And then Rennie was like, it made him look heartless. And then Stallone rewrote the scene with just Jimmy saving memo. And then the scene was re-shot again. And then Tonto was in it. But Rennie Harlan digitally erased him. Whoa!

Oh, there's so much good drama. And that's why they don't talk. Now, when we talk about... By the way, by the way, I mean, congrats to Rennie Harlan because that must have been very hard to do to go up against a lone like that and it's better for the movie

to erase him out of the thing You know one thing I noticed is that Jimmy, what's his name again? Jimmy Bligh Jimmy Bligh, Jimmy Bligh. He wears glasses all the time except when driving. Well he needs glasses because

he's playing his racing game. This, to me, was the worst part of the entire movie that Jimmy's practicing on this, using an up-down key on his computer. There's no way that this

is helping him on the cart. This is like, I feel like Not even a mouse. Somehow lawnmower man's going to come out of this situation and come get him. Fuel, boost, oil, battery. I have to I do think we saw a number of very serious cart crashes where...

Very believable. Very believable, very serious car crashes. And I question the announcers and how they're reporting on these crashes because they seem excited. Not only that, but when the most brutal crashes happen, they put in the sound effect of the crowd roaring. Does that happen? Well, you know what? I know one thing that I thought was pretty great, which is this. I guess Rennie Harlan forgot to tell all the extras which way to look

because there was one scene in the biggest crash scene. This woman just kind of checking it out over here. Maybe she's turning away. She doesn't want to look. By the way, I found it really irresponsible that given how many crashes we've seen and how many carts we've seen flying over, over other carts, out of the raceway,

into ponds, into all sorts of places. Don't know. But all sorts of different places. I was like, how dare you set up a children's playground? Not 10 feet from the racetrack. Those cars are flip. Tires are flying out. But here's the thing.

When Kipp Purdue crashes, that's a pretty gnarly crash. He's like, I'm okay. Got it. See you later. I'm going to go. Just like walks out of that. The best part of this movie for me was the emotional climax of like seeing our hero,

sorry, Sly, Kipp Purdue, seeing him get prepared to get in that car for that last race and seeing our hero jump on his foot 10 times. 10 times. Like the riveting. Each jump.

riveting. Now in the original script it was 15 times. Couldn't believe it. That's a cut too far Paul. I am going to go out into the audience. I'm going to talk to people. If you are a cart racer, you have to let me know. You have to let me know. All right, I'm going to go over to Jafar, our friend

from Boise. Oh yeah. I think this may be... Jafar, great costume. Great work. All right. Okay, it's the real Bert Reynolds. I have to put on my headset. I love it. Great. So, what do you got, Jafar? Well, I have props. So, and I can also speak to a couple issues. So one, the simulator scene is literally just him playing the PS2 game that came with this, which is absolute garbage because I bought it. And I also bought the DVD and watched

that hour deleted scenes with commentary from Sylvester Stallone. Sly at the beginning of the deleted scenes, he says, this is a movie about relationships and love and people. And for whatever reason the studio did not want us to tell those stories. And then the entire hour of deleted scenes is just like exposition dumps and fucking. So that's where it is. Wait, so there's fucking? Yeah, you want it?

Oh, that's great. Oh, that's cool. And then, yeah, that's pretty much the most notable thing. I love it. Oh, yeah. Jafar, your best performance today. Thanks so far. Great work. Thanks so much. Great work. Wow. Well, I'm glad to know that

at least sex scenes were filmed. To be Because I couldn't wrap my head around there not being sex scenes. What a poor thing to do is, like, an actor. You're like, I had to shoot that sex scene with Stallone, and no one even got to see it. Is it a positive or negative? I don't know. Our other costume character over here, hi. Wow, this is amazing.

All right, so what's your name? My name is Bryn. Okay, Bryn, what's your question? It's not a question. It's more, I read through the production notes, and apparently in that street racing scene, it was all shot practically with Stallone driving. Here's what he said about it.

In that chase scene, I was rushing through a tunnel at 160 miles per hour, which is 260 kilometers per hour. And I was... No. No. No. No. Cut that part out. Cut it out. Cut it out. Don't release it at the podcast.

This podcast is not... This podcast does not recognize the metric system. If anybody else converts a goddamn number, we're out of you. We're done. He continued, I wasn't wearing a helmet. I realized my ears were touching the back of my head. The G-forces were unbelievable. And that's not even talking about the freezing cold

and my inability to see anything without a visor. I call bullshit on all of this. I don't think that happened. I know that you found it, but I think it's all bullshit. Oh, no, no. I agree. I believe he said. it. Oh, I believe he said it. I believe he said it. I don't believe he said it for an instant,

but I believe he said it. So other people also back him up. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So they were talking about how the stunt team, this was shot in Toronto, and it was like very precisely choreographed. A single boo for Toronto? I mean, yeah. Oh, no, no, late to the party. When we were there, they had some shit to say about you. They said their trees are too big By the way, can you just say what you just said to me Because it's worth it Oh, I said I was in Toronto

They didn't say anything about Vancouver All right, so he did definitely do it I appreciate this, this is great All right, amazing, thank you so much Let me go back here, all right Thank you for sold out show here, Vancouver, sold out crowd, I'm Sam, this is my wife, Kelsey.

Hi. Are we introducing spouses now? I don't know. He said it as if I felt like, did I ask? Are we at your wedding? Tell me who you're here with, what you're wearing, and your favorite food. And then your question. Yes.

Yeah, so my wife watched through the deleted scenes and the commentary from Stallone. And he mentions that his character had this, like, deep backstory with scars, and he had to wake up and drink and use pain pills to get going. And we got really into it. Do you think this movie would have been way better if it really did hit that five-hour scene? Do you think it got to that Avengers Infinity War level? Or was it really just, like, that lost tape is something.

But what you described doesn't feel like it just would need to be slightly injected into this film, right? Well, imagine if this film had portrayed Stallone the way the wrestler portrayed Mickey Roar. Yeah. You know, wouldn't that be, wow, wouldn't that be an impactful bringing someone that wrecked someone who is having to take pain pills, someone who is, like someone who is truly demolished, that would be incredible. But again, he is 37 and thriving in this movie,

despite the fact that he is very visibly a 55-year-old man. All right, you are wearing a cart shirt, a 2001 cart shirt from Portland, autographed, autographed by multiple cart racers. Whoa. Please take a picture of this. What's the origin of the shirt? I was a big cart fan.

My family and I traveled around and watched. Okay, okay, wait, time out, time out. I knew after this podcast was released. I know, I felt the message boards lighting a fire. And I knew you people were out there and you're going to have things to say about us and to us. So, so. What a missed opportunity.

You are the Morgan of Dungeons and Dragons for cart racing. And by the way, how are you doing post-extinction? We're okay We're getting into IndyCar now That's okay Can you for like the lay people Just like Because it looks to me

If like F1 Okay Well it's it's American Okay So they're slower And they're They like Hang on

Hang on Hang on They're They love to crash They're every Oh so crashing is a part of it So when they are cheering, that's a thing. That's a thing.

Like a hockey fight. Exactly. Which is something you understand. Wait, can I ask? Do people die? There have been deaths, but... Name them. Well, just because it seems like the way the drivers are getting ready

and picking up their photos and saying goodbye and doing all their things, it seems like they are prepared to die. every race. And the safety things that got added, people kind of fought against those safety things. Strange? Yeah.

Wow. Is this a sport that now, do you now follow one of the subsequent, like F1 or? I follow F1 mostly, yeah. Okay. And do you, and has F, what, okay, so let me ask this. When this was popular,

okay, actually, was this popular? Did you see this? Was this popular? Yeah. Well, yeah, I mean, so, but did you go see Driven? I saw driven with my whole family when it came out and we were stoked because all of our favorite drivers

are in the movie. Okay, I wondered. In that sequence where they're dropping off their kids at the daycare center, which is just mere feet from the racetrack, those are all real drivers. Well, they want their kids to be able to watch them die. Yeah, I understand that. I understand that. So, yeah.

Paul Tracy, Canadian, he drops his kids off. We see Mario Andretti, Max Pappas, who signed my shirt, dies in the movie because he crashes. Wait, is he Greek, Max Pappas? Are there Greek car racers? I doubt it. Well, this is amazing. Wait, do you have any other insights? Because you've now have the microphone, anything we've misrepresented or any, any, or by the way, you can just be like, fuck no, I'm done talking.

The crashes are not that big. Okay. Okay, okay. It's usually like a wheel falls off and someone spins. Someone doesn't, isn't launched into a pond. No. One acre away. Am I, I don't want to put this on, and I'm not saying this is what you're saying.

Is this Hillbilly F1? Great question, Paul. I would say it's NASCAR and F1 had a baby. It would be cart. Okay. So then the answer is yes, Hill, Billy. F-1. Wow, thank you so much for that.

Thank you. Give it up. Give it up for a cart hero. Thank you. Every Canadian hits it out of the park with their questions. All right. You, hi.

What's your name? My name's Colin. Colin, what's your question? Really quick. Is there a possibility that Sylvester Stallone had a bit of a fetish with watching his lady

be with another guy, because it feels like that's what this movie is really about. I wrote this note. Seems to be a sport that is predicated a lot on everybody cucking each other. We all get in different race cars. Why can't we get into different women? You've always said that, babe.

Always said that. Again, you said that as, you said that's going to be the T-shirt, I promise. And I don't think anybody wants it. Everybody wants it. Everybody wants it. Everyone's going to wear it. Thank you. Now, here's what I will say. What happened when Memo goes back to his, memo's like, hey, buddy, you're the best, you're the best, you're the best. And he goes back in the trailer and stares at himself from the glass table. I thought he was going to do Coke, but I did. I did too. I was like, and then we don't. What do you think the symbolism of that is?

This is a great question. I am known from my detailed analysis of symbolism. the glass table is a mirror and it's a reflection of himself and he hates it it was a weird moment because it's not what I wanted for a memo you know well he's putting on such a brave face

for everybody because he's been demoted you know he's not going to race because Sly's back and he's giving everybody the it's fine you're my brother I'm so happy you're back I love everybody I'm memo blah blah blah Then he goes into the thing, and it's like, boy, his, is the dark twin, the dark twin in the mirror.

And then also, we see that dark twin come out in race. Yes. Where he can't, he can't be a supporting actor. You know, he tries to be number one. And I was confounded in the hospital scene when Memo is there with Jimmy. Memo says to Jimmy, I made a mistake. I'm a guy who made a mistake. And Jimmy says, no, you didn't.

You didn't make a mistake. Yeah, he did. Yeah. I am in... Agree. Agree. I am in the balcony. Be careful, Paul.

Balcony, monsters. Welcome. How are you? Good to see you. Hey, how are you? I'm good, thank you. Okay, what's your question? As a Toronto native, I just wanted to say...

Boo! Boo! Boo! I have to... I... My question is... Give your balls a tug. All right.

I tried it. Okay. My question is, do we think that Bert Reynolds signed on if he could only sit the entire... I thought the same thing. I was like, they realized early on,

you know what? They can't do a walk-and-talk throughout this crowd of people is like, put me in a chair. Yeah. I was actually shocked that he... Oh, wait, hold on. We got a good joke over here.

Go ahead. No, no. I think it is. It sounded like I was being sarcastic. Hold on. We got a good jerk. Jer. Yeah.

Not jerk. Wait. We have a good. Are you safe? Save the safe for you. I am safe. And now I've put too much spin on it, but it's good. We have a good joke over here.

Go for it. I call them inert Reynolds. Wait. I'm sorry. I messed it up. Wait, what's happening? He called him inert Reynolds. And it was great.

It just got destroyed by all. Two. I was too delayed. It was too delayed on my part. I would have been so happy if all of our leads were in wheelchairs at the end. To me, as a final shot, I would have been thrilled.

Yes. Guys, it's getting crazy up here. I've seen three cans of canned gatorade. Wait, of can-gater-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a. Everybody, what, got to get their electrolytes. Did you raise your hand? Okay, great. What's your name?

I'm Avery. How are you doing? Good. what's your question okay first off jason you say canadians are nice yeah that's what you think we're nice until we're not such a nice way to put that and also uh in the bar scene when estella warren enters she's wearing this really nice white jacket then later when she walks up to the bar she's wearing something completely different now do we think that's just a continuity flaw or do we think she deliberately changed clothes in the bathroom just so she could come up and talk to jimmy

see i wonder if there were sex scenes in between that we didn't get to see that i think that i agree i think that just means there are cut scenes for you and for the woman over there who clearly that was the most important part of the movie for her so i never has never has this woman felt more seen in her life than what this dildo said up there these two people connected get rid of this turd girl, but I'm going to give it another shot. Here we go. What do you got? This one is for June. I specifically want your opinion on why, when Bo is dying to get his girl back, instead of being a grand

romantic gesture, why do you think he just chose a very public event, and they just make small chit-chat, and he just pulls out a ring, is like, hey, want to get back together? God. Well, June, you can speak to this, because that's what happened with us, right? I know. It's so hard, because I related so hard. I really did so hard I mean it's it's so

that's why I asked earlier what does Sophia Simone want because she does she does go back with him pretty quick and I don't know why he's German yeah oh boy I don't understand it at all

I did feel like that scene all of the scenes especially that were about that stuff were just illustrating and again I guess this is coming from Stallone, how profoundly these men do not understand their own emotions. They only understand the car, the race, the whatever. Even Bo is like, he says to Stallone, I pushed her away.

I don't know why. These men are emotionally at zero. Their emotional intelligence is at a zero. And at the end of the movie, they're at like a two. Barely. And we are like, what hero? to forego winning to save a human life

we act like isn't that incredible what they did no the bar is so low but the bar is so low I was like wow they're great I want to tell you I was like why why are they doing that there's people out there that are paid to do that

well Paul I did raise the question of like where the rescue teams were yeah why plans weren't in place it's a difficult area to get to, because it's a swamp that is one kilometer away

from the track. That's actually where they built alligator alcatraz. Careful, I'll send you there right now. You don't think I can't send you there right now? One thing we didn't talk about is the fact that as they're on their tour, their cart tour, they every country they go to, there's

a giant flag. Oh, sorry. No, there's a giant flag of the country right by whatever the first scene is. Yep. Like this. We're in a pool. And it doesn't need to be at the track where you might

think it would be. No. No. No. Even though there's been a Kairon on screen that says where exactly they are, they still need flags. We need a sense of scope. We need a sense of traveling. They understand that the people watching this movie are absolute morons. I do want to show this one thing that I think is

so great here. Hold on. Well, while you look forward, I can read a few things. This is, I wrote, ever since I have started dictating my notes while I watch the movie into my phone, my note taking has changed in

these ways. Here's one. I'm sobbing in my room at these men trying to save memo under the water. Even as I dictate this, my voice is quivering. and then somehow after all that 35 minutes left

question mark exclamation point then I wrote sobbing again at in quotes don't see you see me memo got me with that one don't see you see me don't see that this could happen to you just see that wow memo

fucking got me man that's when I was like like put Memo in Fast and Furious. Are you crying? No, I'm okay. I'm okay. But I do wonder, like, are we okay? I also cried during this movie.

Are we okay? Don't see you see me. Is this a cry for help? Sobbing in a hotel room in Vancouver, Canada, which is a sentence I hope to never say again. All right. You know, we obviously had a lot to say about this movie, but now it is time for a second opinion.

Hey, I'm Bobby. Now it's time for Second Opinions Remix. Gonna share some drama with my homie tall John and hear the crowd, ooh, for June and Jay Song. Gotta give it five stars, because the movie was hyped. But if you're gonna ask a question, Paul holds the mic.

We got Stallone grinning, the camera's spinning. Took 55 minutes just to reach the beginning, and the movie is driven, but the plot is going nowhere. Camera's so zoomed in. I can camera. nose hairs Gina Gershaw

rocking a denim hat You can give it one shot But you'll never top That's why I love Rennie Harlan So the mission at large Get on Amazon And give the movie

Five Storm Yeah Whoa with that Hey everybody When I say April You all say Hallie April April

When I say When I say Win this You all say battle Win this Win this We love you I have, April.

Yes. Thank you so much. That's amazing. Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you. Thank you so much. Thank you so much. 3,293 total reviews. 79% of them are five star.

These are cold from Amazon. Christy Churchill writes in 2008, I have watched my VHS copy of Driven Raw. Hang on. Hang on. What does this? What that mean? I'll be honest, I watched it much the same way.

But that's how I watch most of our movies, without protection. That's why I'm getting it on DVD now. I was reading some reviews from the people who gave this film One Star. Well, they're saying, oh, well, this can't happen, and that's not real. Well, all I have to say is, Superman isn't real. Spider-Man isn't real. and I bet you watch those movies My point is

It's a movie It's made to entertain you If you want real Watch a real thing What? Not a movie Yeah the storyline Might be like Days of Thunder

But hey In this movie you get Stallone What could be better than that Five stars Title Action John in 2015 writes

I love this movie the sound is phenomenal if you have a pair of 5.1 or above headphones you need to own this movie if you have a 7.1 or higher setup you need to own this movie if you have your center speaker

hooked up to 76 dbs or above this movie's second act will be incredible Helen McGill In 2014, writes, is a good movie. If you like fast cars and drinking. Is there drinking in the movie? I don't think there's, I would argue there's almost no drinking in the entire movie.

I would, yeah, five stars, German. Do you think that's because the person watching the movie was drinking? I mean, I don't know. I think so. I think she's like, if you're drunk, you'll love this. If you like fast cars and drinking, that's the only way to get through this piece of shit. Wow. Any final thoughts on the film driven? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I mean, still so many basic questions. Like, when the first sequence happened with Stallone and Jimmy and he, I don't know what he did. He pulled out in front of him and slowed down or something. That happened in F1, too. It was the same scene from F1, but he was so mad that he had done that and was like, I'm never going to do that again. But what did he do, really? He slowed down the race so the other guy would win. He basically...

But isn't that what he's supposed to do as a supporting actor? He's not a blocker, June. Whoa. Not a goddamn blocker. What do you think he's a supporting actor? June, he's thinking he's a character actor. He's only 37-55. I don't know as that second racer as a...

I don't know what he's supposed to be doing. He is. No, you're right. Bert Reynolds is asking him to be... to not try and win, but to... And he's asking him to do a shady thing, which is he's asking him to pit when he doesn't need to pit so that he can exit in front of bow. I'd call that strategy. I agree, but it seems like there is a code amongst drivers.

The Brotherhood of Speed says, you can fuck my wife. But you can't cut me off from the pit, bro. Amen. I will watch you fuck my wife. But you better. not come out of the pit at me, bro. Because if you fuck my wife, that's fair. But if you do that, it's unfair.

I'm just looking at the number of pedestrians that must have died during this. Justice for a memo. The rain race. I'm going to go out on a limb and say they shouldn't have races in the rain. Why would they have started that? Every single driver is like, I cannot see. Okay, call it.

But that is something that happens in the F1 movie, too, is that they're driving in slippery conditions. Sometimes the rain happens. You know what was shocking? I was going to say the one moment I just want to spend just a second on is a reporter at one point says to one of the guys, I don't know. He says, what would you do if you win? And then he goes, I'd throw a party.

Oh, my God. Like, the reporter volunteers. That was the best moment. He said, that was, I want a sequel just about that reporter. That was really made me laugh. I'd throw a party. Thanks. I throw apart.

What's incredible is that we have a full three-dimensional understanding of the team. From Bert Reynolds to Jimmy to Joe Tonto to memo to the whole thing. We don't know anybody else's team at all. We know Bo as an individual.

We don't know his coaches at all. There are no bad guys in the movie, period. Well, Robert Sean Leonard. Okay, yes. Craven agent slash brother? I loved when he said, like, how dare you... I deserved more than that as a manager.

I was like, hey, you know, buddy. Wait a second. Wait a second. I'm just realizing something that I put together in that scene in the trailer, he goes, when I watched you in a go-kart lap those kids, he goes, you were a 13-year-old. I was like, oh, I thought it was like a Chucky Cheese

or something like that. I did too. No, this is like one of these cars. They were, like, doing racing like this, yeah. By the way, I laughed so. hard and how small Stallone's trophy was. Oh, that... I laughed.

And that he brought it to the gala to give to Jimmy. And that then later, Jimmy had it with him. He's holding it. Like a talisman. It's the tiniest little thing you ever did see. It makes no sense. Maybe Stallone likes little thing so he feels bigger. By the way, I bet you're right.

Stallone, this is a life-sized trophy for normal people. whoa, hey, I'm pretty big. I'm a pretty big guy. If this is a big, if normal people is big, I'm a big guy. You know what? You know what was crazy to me in the memo death scene?

Memo's car goes like vertical at that point. You then get Memo's point of view. You are given both Memo's eyes and then you see Memo's point of view. I was like, whoa, we're about to die in the movie.

We're about to be, this is the only time we've gotten Memo's point of view. We're about to watch the life get snuffed from him and I was fucking turned on. No, that was a crazy moment. I was like, what is Renny Harlan?

By the way, without Renny Harlan, this movie is absolutely dog shit. The fact that it's even coherent at all is due to him entirely. He is an absolute legend for how did this get made? Yeah, we love Rennie Harlan, and he says, I don't like this movie. So, would you recommend it?

Yes. Absolutely. Yeah, sure. Me too. That's three across the board. I mean, Jesus, this is so fun. You know, this is a blast. And again, it flew by.

When there were 40 minutes left, I was like, I was also like, how? Well, you know, how is that possible? I was watching part of it on the plane on my phone, right? Right. And I stopped because I was like, I got to wait. until I'm at the hotel to watch this on the big screen, which has never happened. And boy, was I glad I did.

Vancouver, you have been amazing. This has been a fantastic show. This has been How Did This Get Made. We love it. Jason Manzookus, tune Diane Rayfield. I am Paul Shear. I'll be out in the lobby signing books. Just give me like four or five minutes.

All right, thank you, everybody. Eat Chip, Vancouver. Thank you Vancouver. What a show. Thank you Vogue Theater. Canada, we loved being back inside of you. That sounds dirtier when I say it out loud. You can get our very special brand new t-shirt that says Rosetta Stallone. It is one of my favorite designs we have done. I know I've been saying that a lot recently, but they're all honest. I love this one, though. Head over to HDTGM.com. You can click on our merchandise link there. You can also get yourself a how did this get made hat. I also want to shout out. Bobby, one of our second opinion singer from this episode with that beautiful song about Averill Halley. That was absolutely wonderful. Thank you for that. Averill is still in the fight with cancer and, you know, from the last reports, seemingly really making some strides, but she still needs some love. And if you want to show her some of that love, you can send her a message at Andrew.

at moviebitches.xy, or you can mail her something at Averill Halley, P-O-Box, 641, Agora Hills, California, 911, 9-1-3-76, nothing perishable, nothing scented. As always, if you have a correction or omission about this Stallone's summer madness, if you want to get in there and talk about Driven, then you can leave me a voicemail at 619, P-A-U-L-A-S-K, or write a comment on our Discord at discord.g.g. slash HDTGM. People, tonight, right now, this is the weekend of June Diane Rayfield. That's right. She is in Weapons and Freakier Friday. Two great films I'm loving weapons. Weapons is like Paul Thomas Anderson meets John Carpenter. Truly worth seeing in the theater. And remember, if you love this show, then you are definitely following us on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. It does help. So please do it. right now. And last but not least, I got to thank

our entire team to who this show would not be done. I am talking about our producer, Scott Sonny, Molly Reynolds, and our movie peaking producer, Averill Halley, and our engineer Casey Holford. That's all I got. We'll see you next week on Last Looks. Bye for now.