How Did This Get Made? - Hard Target LIVE! (HDTGM Matinee)

Episode Date: February 3, 2026

Jean-Claude Van Damme stars in the 1993 John Woo masterpiece Hard Target. LIVE from the Fillmore Theater in New Orleans, Paul, Jason, and June discuss the shocking lack of JCVD buns, the snake punch, ...JCVD unholstering his leg like a gun, if Lance Henriksen is the biggest anti-mullet villain in movie history, and so much more. Are you ready, Daddy? (Ep. #300 Originally Released 09/01/2022) • Get up to 20% off tix to see Jason in ALL OUT on Broadway with code ALLOUTPOD at AllOutBroadway.com• Go to hdtgm.com for tour dates, merch, FAQs, and more• Have a Last Looks correction or omission? Call 619-PAULASK to leave us a voicemail!• Submit your Last Looks theme song to us here• Join the HDTGM conversation on Discord: discord.gg/hdtgm• Buy merch at howdidthisgetmade.dashery.com/• Order Paul’s book about his childhood: Joyful Recollections of Trauma• Shop our new hat collection at podswag.com• Paul’s Discord: discord.gg/paulscheer• Paul’s YouTube page: youtube.com/paulscheer• Follow Paul on Letterboxd: letterboxd.com/paulscheer• Subscribe to Enter The Dark Web w/ Paul & Rob Huebel: youtube.com/@enterthedarkweb• Listen to Unspooled with Paul & Amy Nicholson: unspooledpodcast.com• Listen to The Deep Dive with June & Jessica St. Clair: thedeepdiveacademy.com/podcast• Instagram: @hdtgm, @paulscheer, & @junediane• Twitter: @hdtgm, @paulscheer, & msjunediane  • Jason is not on social media• Episode transcripts available at how-did-this-get-made.simplecast.com/episodesGet access to all the podcasts you love, music channels and radio shows with the SiriusXM App! Get 3 months free using the link: siriusxm.com/hdtgm Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 The hunt is on for baggy jeans, aquanette for that long luxurious hair, and a weird Cajun Grandpa. We saw a hard target, so you know what that means. To celebrate the 1993 Jean-Dadeghance classic, about the most dangerous game. Hunting man. That's right. Tonight we will be talking about Lance Hendrickson as Emil Fouchon,
Starting point is 00:01:44 a man who hunts homeless people. And Jean-Claude Van Damme, who just kind of falls backwards into figuring out what's going on. All for $100 a day. It's John Wu's first English language film.
Starting point is 00:02:08 And from what I can tell, I did watch it closely, it's the first time you don't see John Claude Van Dam's ass. But you see boo indeed. Indeed. But if mullets were asses, we see a lot of ass.
Starting point is 00:02:32 And that's all we're here to do. Talk about mullets. I can't wait. to talk to you about this movie. I can't wait to just talk to you about Wilford Brimley. When a movie can surprise you at hour and 27 minutes in,
Starting point is 00:02:52 I'm like, whoa. There is so much going on here, but I can't break it down alone. I need to break it down with my two co-house. Fresh out of the house, out of quarantine. Please welcome
Starting point is 00:03:08 Jason Manzuka. Balcony. There is a balcony-esque area. So give it up for the balcony monsters. These motherfuckers, everybody's topless. They have just been living on frozen dafferies for a year. So they're ready to go. These people are sloppy. This city is sloppy.
Starting point is 00:03:55 I don't mind saying it. Look at this woman in the front row is like, Yes! We're so sloppy! I am just excited to be in air conditioning. So... And now help me bring to the stage my other co-host, Miss June, Diane, Raphael!
Starting point is 00:04:16 How are you, June? I'm doing well. How are you, Paul? I'm doing fine. Thank you for asking. Hard target, June's thoughts? Okay. I don't know why we're doing this movie on this podcast and not unspooled. Whoa. Whoa!
Starting point is 00:04:42 Unspool. I love... I have an answer for you, June. It's because we don't do unschooled. Well, I know we don't. We've never been asked. We're not a long list. We're on the band unspooled list.
Starting point is 00:04:58 God, but I love this movie. I don't... No notes, really. Except give me more. Exactly. It flew by. And Paul, you really prepped me, and I don't know if you were doing a process.
Starting point is 00:05:14 practical joke, but you really warned me it's going to be an hour in 40 minutes. It's going to feel like two. I just wanted you to be prepared. I don't know where you fall. Sometimes you don't like a John Wu movie, but maybe you do. I like this John Wu movie. All right, wow. And by the way, JCVD, perhaps, never better.
Starting point is 00:05:37 Never better. Never better. And a city in which his accents. how it works. The only place. All the French Belgian people here in New Orleans know. I was like, I buy it. He fits here.
Starting point is 00:05:54 Also, also, two things. Yeah. All of Act three, he has no lines. No problem. This movie, shockingly, no buns. That's what I was saying. This is a bunnless
Starting point is 00:06:11 John Claude Van Damme movie. Also, it takes a really long time for him to strip down into that tank top. You're right. When he finally takes off that billowy, like shirt. Like a light-washed denim shirt. It's like a parachute that has been attached to his body. I can't get any read on his body the entire time because he, like between the hair,
Starting point is 00:06:36 he feels like he is constantly in some, he's almost like a Mardi Graslow. He's also wearing a duster. He's wearing like a duster for, the first act. And the second act, he's wearing the shirt, the billowy shirt, the billowy pants. And then it's not the last five minutes that he comes down to,
Starting point is 00:06:53 and the camera drinks in his... Well, we've been waiting for it. We've been waiting for it. Maybe John Wu's best movie for his aggressive slow-mo is just John Claude Van Dam's body. Listen, I'll tell you, John Claude Van Dam's work in this movie,
Starting point is 00:07:13 is the, like you said, Jason, the best work he's ever done. There's nothing better. He's restrained. Well, I think all of his performances are restrained because it feels to me like his grasp on the English language is slight. And I don't say that in a derogatory way. Wow.
Starting point is 00:07:32 Careful, Paul. You are making an enemy. Careful. Love him. Love him. But I don't think of him as a broad performer. Is he here? I do agree with you.
Starting point is 00:07:43 He's not broad. It seems that no one ever taught him the word dad in English. Oh. Because he loves saying daddy, papa. I'm helping her look for her daddy. Well, I'm going to help you find your daddy. But him saying the word... And every time I was like, ooh.
Starting point is 00:07:59 It's so uncomfortable. Why it's so weird is because they're saying like, her father was killed. And he's like, we found your daddy. It's like, well, hold on. Now, let's just, we were talking about a dead man. We can't call the dead man. It would make sense if Natalie's character was 11.
Starting point is 00:08:18 Sure. Yeah, no, it was, I was like, oh, this movie, again, because they don't try and saddle him with a ordinary man job or a regular Joe, kind of, in the other movies, he's like a firefighter. He's like a guy in the world who has to interact with real people. He's just like a vigilante, essentially. He's just a poor person.
Starting point is 00:08:40 I mean, that's, this movie is about the real. rich hunting the poor against their knowledge. Really, I have a lot of issues with the game. We're going to talk about the game of it all. Actually, it is the most dangerous game of all, and they don't want just any old poor person. No. They want a poor person with a military background.
Starting point is 00:09:01 But they're not going to give them a worthy competitor. But they don't give the competitor anything. Except five minutes. Five minutes. You'd be like, what are you going to do? Give them a gun. Give them. I kept on wanting to say.
Starting point is 00:09:13 say is like, you all have cars. You have a fleet. Like, this is not much. They have, like, they're like a, literally a hunting party, except their dogs are guys on motorcycles. And they have, you know, like, Mr. Pick is like, the head of the thing.
Starting point is 00:09:31 By the way, Mr. Pick, the mummy from the mummy. Oh. Oh, I love him. I couldn't place him, but God damn if Lance Hendrickson isn't just killing it. What a performance. in this movie. Amazing.
Starting point is 00:09:46 Lance Hendrickson is now, I think, my favorite, how did this get made actor? Not because he's bad, it's because no matter what movie, he is amazing. He also fun, because I also recently watched aliens,
Starting point is 00:10:00 and he is at the right, he understands every time what movie he's in. Yes. And adjusts accordingly. You know, like here, he's like, oh, got it.
Starting point is 00:10:12 This is enormous. and preposterous, I can do that. And in aliens, he's like, what's going on? Okay, I can do that. He's so understated. He literally was a fan of John Wu and was like, put me in your movie. John Wu did.
Starting point is 00:10:27 And he said, the only note he ever got from John Wu, he said, how do you want me to play my character? And he goes, you hunt the week. Got it. Never took another note. Amazing. Unnecessary because he crushes. He's so.
Starting point is 00:10:43 good in it. He is incredible. He is so great. I want to talk about one thing. I know I'm bringing up early, but there's a moment in this movie, and we won't get to the end, but I just want to talk about Lance, where he is on fire. Yeah. Here's the thing. That wasn't supposed to happen. Lance Henriksen caught fire during the movie did not break character, and they left it all in the film. His jacket caught fire and he's like, fuck it, we're going. And that's why he looks like he did have
Starting point is 00:11:20 some like sort of gel on him so he wouldn't like fully ignite. That was not supposed to happen. And John Wu was like, yeah, he didn't break characters, so we left it all in. That's fucking rad. I mean, someone should have yelled cut. That's why he says, what are you guys? Because the other actors, if you watch that scene again and we don't have
Starting point is 00:11:38 it, but if you watch that scene again, he says the other actor's like, go. get out of here. This is why you're paying money. Because the other actors were in shock. They're like, what the fuck is going on? The lead actor of this movie is on fire. And he gave them an exit. Like, go, get out of here. Ticks up the jacket.
Starting point is 00:11:57 It was the same thing on aliens. He wasn't supposed to get ripped in half. And he just got ripped in half. And he was like, let's roll on it. I'll force my blood to be a milky viscous substance. And we'll just do it. This is the one thing I wanted to. talk to you both about. The movie opens up in, I mean,
Starting point is 00:12:16 it opens up in the French quarter and no one is on the street. The only time I've seen that is at 8 a.m. in the morning. The whole movie. The whole movie, the streets of New Orleans are empty, which is legitimately impossible. Because there is always either a wasted
Starting point is 00:12:32 person or a corpse somewhere on these streets. I've never seen the quiet streets. Well, wait a second, Paul. When the police go on strike, everyone goes home. Right? I forgot the police were on strike. Yeah, really? It's so interesting.
Starting point is 00:12:48 Once our detective gets murdered, the police are nowhere to be found. Even before then, I was obsessed with the detective. I thought she was amazing. I was actually really obsessed. She was murdered so early on. But this is where John Wu, I think he's fantastic.
Starting point is 00:13:04 Giving her that little moment of blowing out the birthday candle. How funny, though, that she first puts it It was hilarious. And I was like, oh, they're never going to come back to that. I was like... But what was also, like, we never get to understand,
Starting point is 00:13:20 because it looks like her entire force is protesting and on strike outside, except for her. And we don't really understand her position on this union battle that they're in. Without cops, the city stops, baby. Well, right, but I guess she's like, no, we should be defunded. Without cops, maybe things would be better. Yeah, exactly. I agree.
Starting point is 00:13:42 Maybe things would be better. By the way, I do, I want to talk about this opening because, you know, basically, Lance Hendrickson is funding this hunt, right? It's very similar to that movie that we did about time travel where they hunt dinosaurs. And also, apparently, an upcoming Mickey Rourke movie. Well, I mean, they've done this version of, like, let's hunt humans. But this one, it feels like they really didn't let the humans in on it, or, like, at least that we've seen.
Starting point is 00:14:13 And I love the guy who's like, my thing is arrows. I want to hunt with arrows. And I thought from a rifle. So arrows were being shot out of a rifle barrel. Now, the poster of this movie, the arrow plays. Like, all right,
Starting point is 00:14:29 oh, he's going to be hunted by the arrow guy. That arrow guy is like a side. I mean, not even a side character. Can I confess something? Yeah. I thought that that customer was Stephen Sagan. for a long time. By the way, can I say something?
Starting point is 00:14:46 Yeah. I watched most of Hard Target last night, okay? Yeah. I finished it today so it would be fresh. I turned it off. I turned on the TV in my hotel room playing Stephen Seagall's Under Siege. And I was like, yes. And I'm now going to say, we must.
Starting point is 00:15:04 We got a music of Seagal. When we play a live show on a naval vessel, we are going to do Stephen Seagal's Underseech. That's the best one. Tommy Lee Jones, Gary Busey. It's next level. And when we play our next train show, we'll play Under Siege 2
Starting point is 00:15:23 with Eric Bogosian as the bad guy. So let's just go back for a second to the love story between Yancey and Jean-Claude. Because I was also expecting it and I felt like, oh wow, they bailed on it because of her mouth situation. And because the mouth situation was tough
Starting point is 00:15:48 because it was there in some scenes and it wasn't there in others. That's the way herpes works. Sometimes it's there. But what's really confusing is like, well, they were probably shooting the movie out of order so it really does seem to come and go. You know, it's there and then it's not there,
Starting point is 00:16:08 but I'm like, oh, he must have. It is New Orleans. That's true. That's true. But I was like, I guess John Claude, like, just didn't want to make out with her, which I understand. That the cheek kiss now makes way more sense, because it looks like he's going in for a makeout. And instead, he goes to the side and gives her a cheekout. But by the way, the cheek kiss is after his friend died.
Starting point is 00:16:28 She's like, oh, me kiss him. Like, it wasn't the right time. This movie didn't really understand. Like, it's like, oh, your friend just died. Give me those lips. Give me those big old Belgian lips. Give me those lips or nips? Lips.
Starting point is 00:16:40 Okay. I mean, give me those nips works in New Orleans, too. Somebody just gave us these things here. By the way, I will say this, just before we get off the cop for too long, they do hold on her blowing out the candle for way too long. Like, it's like some sort of Eddie Murphy movie where it's like, I wish that I run out of words. Like, and I was thinking, is this movie about like a cop who's like,
Starting point is 00:17:02 I wish I got a great case? And then that was like, because they really hold on the wish. So do you think that this movie's, plot is her birthday wish she's true. Yes. Wow. She's like, the department's on strike. I'm at work. I hope I get a good case.
Starting point is 00:17:19 She should have wished that I survive. Yes. Or maybe she did want it to be her last year on earth. By the way, she got... There's people over there. Yeah. By the way, she gets shot, seemingly she gets shot in the arm
Starting point is 00:17:34 and he's like, leave her, she's dead. I'm like, really? Really? That was so tough. He cut bait on her so quick. I thought for sure I thought for sure she was going to come back in in the third act having survived that
Starting point is 00:17:50 but once Wilford Brindley showed up I was like oh no it's him now. He's taking the place of like the third person. I know it was just shocking because I don't think they expected that actress to be so good and watchable. It's like oh we really did care about her and she's been left dead on the street
Starting point is 00:18:06 and she and John Claude Van Dam had a good Good chemistry or good. Like we're partners in solving a crime. Natalie is just along for the ride. Yes. Like it would have been smarter to pair them up. A thousand percent. And at a certain point, I was like, why are you still here,
Starting point is 00:18:24 Nat? Like, what's up? Why is Natalie still here? Your daddy is dead. Daddy's dead. She's got to see. Your daddy is dead. Now I will say, your daddy is daddy. I will say the sex scenes between Amil Fouchon and Pick.
Starting point is 00:18:40 That is Lance Henderson and Arnold Vissaloo. Great. Those are really great. Their relationship, I love, like, they do it in Lethal Weapon, too, where they just call someone by their last name. They're like, what do you think, Mr. Fouchon? Yeah, like, I love, like, it's like, it's the best bad guy way to refer to somebody by their Mr. So-and-So. Like, you know. It's the best, yes.
Starting point is 00:19:02 I loved it. I loved all the bad, again, all the bad guys knew exactly what movie they were in. And they did the right thing by minified. Van Dam's dialogue so that he's just a kicking, punching shooting machine. No quips, no dialogue, no, he doesn't have to carry exposition.
Starting point is 00:19:21 Beyond the first act when he has to interact with the tufts at the diner and that stuff, beyond that, he really has basically no lines, which is awesome. Wow, I guess that's right. I just would have wished
Starting point is 00:19:36 they had thought to put his bare butt in it. I mean, but, but what they do do, and I said this in the beginning of the show, but what they do do do is give him the best mullet of all time. And I want to pull up. His introduction scene, his introduction scene in the diner where they're focusing on the mullet, the eyes, the earring, before they give you a full shot of him, next level. I mean, we have some clips of his mullet right here. These are some videos and stills of some mullet look.
Starting point is 00:20:08 Here we go. this is how we're introduced to the mullet from behind. By the way, I don't mind it at all so far. It looks wet. I thought it was aquanette. It might be sweat. Then we get this.
Starting point is 00:20:20 It's just the humidity of Norland. Narlens. He's like, I'll have a crawdad. Give me that crowding. If he had a... Down in the bayou. If he had a mullet like this, Nalins, what would his mullet look like?
Starting point is 00:20:34 Because I feel like it would frizz out. This is a... Like, he would have... like almost a full pearl. I'll say this. My hair is thriving in this. Oh, okay. I bet it is. Thriving. I bet it is. The humidity is gold for these curls. Are you kidding?
Starting point is 00:20:49 He looks dynamite. Except this looks sopping wet. But listen, he's just been in like a full-on fighter. Wow. I got to start wearing my hair like that? I think, I mean, the way it caresses him. If I've really been bold, I would have styled my hair like that for the show.
Starting point is 00:21:08 It was so interesting because at one point I was like, is there hair up there or is it all just back? There is hair up there, but it's so the entire movie. I mean, at one point he's standing on top of a motorcycle. Yeah. He's a stone cold hunk. By the way, this guy is gorgeous. By the way, that's the other thing that I was worried about Paul with Yancey was, I don't know if he felt threatened by her hair. See, this is a point.
Starting point is 00:21:40 You know? This scene we could talk about for the rest of the night. I want to get into the snake-biting thing, but I want to talk about the hair for one more second because I'm realizing that Lance Hendrickson has done two movies in which he has played the bad guy with mulleted men, and that is Stone Cold and this. Oh, wow.
Starting point is 00:22:07 Two very different mullets, but also two very different men I mean like I mean he's anti-mullet I guess Lance is the mullet killer
Starting point is 00:22:16 or they are I wonder if there's a third that we might if there's a third that we need to find and do we need to because that is complete the trilogy
Starting point is 00:22:25 yeah complete the Lance Hendrickson versus mulleted man I guess you could make a point that Sigourney Weaver kind of has a curly mullet so that would be alien but he's not against her
Starting point is 00:22:36 oh I guess he's her ally Alien three is he against I don't know. I can't express to everybody here how much J-CV-D's look is accentuated and like worship by John Wu's slow-mo.
Starting point is 00:22:54 You know? It fetishizes him in a way that is so impactful for the movie how they'll go to slow-mo arbitrarily. Just in any way, for any motion... Paying for gumbo. It's true.
Starting point is 00:23:07 Because there were many times, there were many times I was like, oh, we're in slow-mo, like, June, look alive. And I'd watch the scene. And then I'd think, huh, I don't know why we, I don't know what I was, I don't know why we were in slow-mo for that. It is interesting because John Wu is primarily known for, like, gun action. And John Klon Van Dam is known for, like, thigh and leg action. And so what I did like was the bridging of the gap, which is he, like, pulls, he pulls, he pulls. back his trench coat like a cowboy would reveal
Starting point is 00:23:41 a six-shooter just to reveal his upper thigh that was that was amazing you guys that was amazing. That was incredible that was amazing. Because there are a lot of like
Starting point is 00:23:54 there are a lot of Western tropes inside of this like you know and it's great and I love it but that's a perfect one because what he's showing off and showcasing isn't his gun, he's like, when you're ready to go, my leg's ready.
Starting point is 00:24:12 My leg's ready for kicking. My leg is loaded. Locked and loaded. He takes, at one point, I feel like somebody else's leg, he takes the head of somebody, like, he doesn't even use his own body to beat up two guys. Like, he just holds one guy's head and slams it into another guy's leg, I feel like.
Starting point is 00:24:30 There's, like, a moment. There are so many scenes where Jean-Claude Van Damme kicks and punches men in health. that are meant to survive high-impact accidents. And that would, one man is coming at him on a motorcycle, at like, I don't know, 25, 30 miles an hour, John Claude Van Damme is like, quabam! And takes the guy out helmet style,
Starting point is 00:24:55 John Claude Van Dam's chin or whatever would have disintegrated. He, at that speed coming at him, he would have been like, cablam, lamb and his entire leg would have been like, dust. Yeah. And he does that at least 10 times in the movie. Yeah, and that's what's interesting about the movie is like we're showcasing different
Starting point is 00:25:18 types of weapons, you know, rifles that have arrows in them, actual bow and arrows, guns, machine guns. Grenades. And grenades and J.CBD's thighs. Yes. Like, they're really set up as the scariest. Oh, and J.CVD is also, he, he, he. He can wield a shotgun.
Starting point is 00:25:38 He can wield a handgun upside down. Bam, bam, bam, bab, bab, bab, bab, bab, bow. I was like, you can't aim this way. No way. I felt like there was a point in this movie where John Wu gave up and said, fuck it, we're going to guns again. Like, he was like, we did your legs.
Starting point is 00:25:55 Let's go do what I'm good at. Like, I got you two shots with your legs. Let's go guns. Because there are some great gun fights in here, and it is odd because you don't really see JCP working with guns. I will say this. Throughout watching this, and I know J.CVD,
Starting point is 00:26:10 and he's an attractive man, you said. You know him well? No, I don't know him well. No. Wait, are you best friends with JCVD? I would ask your daddy. I just am at the point in my notes where I wrote all caps.
Starting point is 00:26:26 He keeps using the word daddy. Don't use daddy. But listen, what I wanted to discuss was Yancey's fashions because they were really scratching an itch to me. Like, I haven't seen white tights. And like seeing white tights and a French braid just really and like a coach bag, brown coach bag, for me, it really scratched an itch. I also love inside of a lot of the moments of importance, a lot of the moments of like fight explosions
Starting point is 00:27:05 and little montages and stuff. This movie has one of my favorite tropes that we find in our movies, which is searing electric guitar solos over the action. So it's like once that fight outside the diner starts, it's like, but it's got like a real bayou vibe here. No, speaking of the bayou.
Starting point is 00:27:29 Yeah. Speaking of the bayou. Yeah, speaking of the bayou. No gaiters in this movie. No gaites. which I was shocked by. I don't know horses to live in the bayou, but I don't know that they don't also.
Starting point is 00:27:41 So that could be... A lot of bayou horses. I think there are horses in the bayou. Great. But I'm also like... The fact that we just accept the information that J-CvD grew up in the bayou? I couldn't tell if that was the case.
Starting point is 00:28:00 But my assumption is yes. No, but he says that. He says I was raised that. I mean, he grew up. Wilford Brindley is his uncle, or just does he refer to him? His uncle and he was raised in the bayou. This is Lance Hendrickson explaining J.CVD's background. Silver Star, Marine Force, Recon.
Starting point is 00:28:18 He joined the merchant service after he got out. His captain was smuggling opium. This pose, incredible. When the throw found out, he threw the man overboard. He's been looking for work ever since. He's obviously not someone we should underestimate. He was raised in the bayous by his uncle. I think Mr. Woodrow would make a very interesting quarry.
Starting point is 00:28:43 Maybe I should pay him a visit. No, no, no, no. Send a couple of lads down there to have a chat with him, won't you back? I love this movie. So good. Perfect. I love that they're on two couches having this conversation. They're not looking at each other.
Starting point is 00:29:02 John Wu's framing it so you see both of their faces, and they're not looking at each other. other, which is actually so smart, because they're great. And they're just talking about this man. How did he get this information they grew up with his uncle? How would that be on file? How would they get that so quickly?
Starting point is 00:29:19 Why is J.C.V.D on the second porch balcony reading a coroner's report standing? It seems uncomfortable to look through photos and read evidence where you can't put anything on a table. JCVD feels in this moment,
Starting point is 00:29:34 the way this movie cuts together, it's as if he's listening to them. He feels as though he's, and late in the movie, JCVD has a series of flashbacks for scenes he was not in. Oh, okay. And they do that a lot where he has information or knowledge that we, the audience, have, but he, chance does not. By the way, it's like space balls when they pull up the movie of Spaceballs,
Starting point is 00:30:06 So, like, he has access to hard target the movie. He's like, what happened? I need to find out before I do this next. Got it. Now, I will tell you this. Nate Kylie does all of our research for this, and he's amazing. So this movie, apparently, when delivered, was a Lance Henriksen movie. It was more focused on Lance Hendrickson.
Starting point is 00:30:30 Like, it was like, the guy who runs the hunt and blah, blah, blah. And JCPD was like, oh, the Thorne and My Seventh. side. And J.C. VD saw it and was like, what the fuck? I'm J.CVD. And he recut the movie to cut Lance down and out or to a smaller role. But I do love that John Wu signed on. It was like, you're in the J.C.V.D business?
Starting point is 00:30:54 I'm in the Lance Hendrickson business. Yeah. And what got released to. It's kind of a nice mix because he does carry himself like a lead. He really does. Yeah. And he's the more compelling. It's the more compelling.
Starting point is 00:31:06 performing performance. Here's where when I first was introduced to his character, I was like, he's so fascinating to watch, but it's also like
Starting point is 00:31:14 at the end of the day, he is a bad guy, but he's also an entrepreneur. Yes. And he is doing this. He sees a hole in the market. Yes. And he feels it.
Starting point is 00:31:26 And he goes to fill it. And I'm like, okay. So, and then as towards the end, he really is. He is. He is a hunting disruptor.
Starting point is 00:31:36 Most people are out here hunting animals. He's like, what? Check me. And then he started, we work. But then at the end, he's also, like, creating this fire sale special for all of the past customers to come in. But he's charging them. Like, he got into some shit. He's like, you, you've got to pay for this. Like, he made them pay.
Starting point is 00:31:59 It was great. He had the whole third act. JCVD kills conservatively four dozen bad guys. Lance Hendrickson seems to have unlimited bad guys on retainer, all of whom have wild outfits on. And that's why, honestly, I wish we could get Marcus Limonis on this show. You want to sell the hunt? From the profit on MSNBC, because how much of a margin is he making?
Starting point is 00:32:30 He was like, he's paying off the corner. He's paying pick. He's playing the two motorcycles. And all of those dogs, all of the heavies must be making... He's also having to, every once in a while, pick up his entire operation and move it to a different country, which has to be cutting into his... Oh, especially if you're taking all those guys. That's food. That's per diemere. Well, see, that's where Marcus Limonis could come in. He could hook them up with simply Greek. He could hook them up with his... Right.
Starting point is 00:33:00 ...store for all their weapons. But guys, guys, what you're not realizing is this. The way he cuts the overhead is... by shooting them in the face. That's the way he makes back of money. His gun is a pistol? It's a musket. What's the,
Starting point is 00:33:15 one of these dummies knows? We're in the South. There's a gun nut here. What is he shooting? It's not a shotgun. That's what I wrote too, but those aren't shotgun shelf. It's like a musket, right?
Starting point is 00:33:27 It's not a musket. It's a pistol that shoots what? One of you raise your hand or I will come up. I see somebody there. Hold on, hold on. I got this person. I'm going to give it. to you right there, yes.
Starting point is 00:33:37 It's a contender pistol. It's a single shot break barrel pistol. They sold them in a number of calibers, but that one in particular is a 4570 round. Of course, there's a gun guy. Which is a giant round they used to use to hunt buffalo. It goes back to like the 1850. It's a massive bullet.
Starting point is 00:33:54 A massive buffalo. This guy's a gun guy. Thank you for showing me that gentleman back there. And what I thought about, it's interesting you say that, because what I thought about that, and I wrote it in my notes, is this gun could have been a contender. Can I just show my favorite scene in the movie?
Starting point is 00:34:16 Because, again, I talked about what makes a great bad guy. We have a moment where Lance Hendrickson is calling Pick by his last name. This is the scene that brought it home. And is Pick's last name Van Cleef, I believe. His name is Pick Van Cleef, yes. And that is, this movie is constantly referencing, John Wu is constantly referencing once upon a time in the West. He's doing like the close-up of the eyes,
Starting point is 00:34:41 like the Henry Ford shot. He's constantly doing... Close-up of the mullet. Callback. Yeah, exactly. He's doing callbacks to that movie, and Lee Van Cleef is in that movie. Yes. So this is... Pick Van Cleef. Yeah. Pickleaf.
Starting point is 00:34:53 Yeah. So this is the scene. Forget the fact that they're talking about don't contact us on Telex. I don't know what the fuck Telex is. I understand that, yes, you shouldn't probably talk about hunting a human on a fax machine. but watching
Starting point is 00:35:08 Lance Hendrickson play a piano like he's hard fucking Yeah And then the best The best part of it is When it cuts back to him And he turns around to tell the guy Hey, are you ready to hunt a human being
Starting point is 00:35:22 The piano is closed The keyboard is closed The cover is over the keys It was like, okay He was done here Take a look at You can even hear it in the way he plays You'll deposit 500,000
Starting point is 00:35:50 $1,000 in our account and a bank in the Cayman Islands. Do not refer to our agreement by Teleks or in conversations on the phone. You'll be provided with a guide. So angry. ...and the weapon of your choice. Naturally, we'll dispose of the body and provide you with an out-of-town, airtight alibi. Don't worry, Mr. Zanan. All you have to do is point and shoot. Keyboard open.
Starting point is 00:36:22 board open. Oh, we don't, it reverses and it's close. Anyway. But he is looking at himself in the mirror while playing a piano
Starting point is 00:36:31 and he's not looking at the keys. It is like Bishop from Alien doing that knife game. I feel like it is him fucking. Yo, yes. It's like a, this is a sex scene for him where he's just like,
Starting point is 00:36:44 I'm not even gonna look at you. I'm gonna jump doing my thing. Yeah, this is the only sex scene in the movie. And it's the best sex scene I've ever seen. Oh, that's why, yeah, that's why I had to finish it today. I came in this scene, fell asleep. I know. And had to get up today and be like, I guess I'm going to much rest of them.
Starting point is 00:37:02 Yeah. I mean, our kids are traveling with us right now, and I was like, guys, don't come in. Not right now. I have to say this. I just want to talk about the game, the most dangerous game, because I guess what I really find odd about this movie is, it's so one-sided. It's like, hey, do you want me to put like a puppy in front of you
Starting point is 00:37:26 and give you a shotgun? Like, at one point, a guy almost starts aiming at the game before the game even starts. Like, hey, hey, put the gun down, buddy. I love that that guy is like, he looks like a dentist from Cleveland and he's wearing just like a regular trench coat
Starting point is 00:37:42 but has like a super high-tech gun. It's like, they're off. It's not just people who were like, trained for this. They just seem to have the money and are like, give me a gun and I'll shoot a guy. Well, it also seems like we're all okay with humans hunting other humans. We just wish it were more evenly matched.
Starting point is 00:38:03 Fair. I guess, like, 10 years away from this being a reality. I mean, in my mind, I guess like the thought would be like, wouldn't it be fun? No, not for me. But wouldn't it, like, wouldn't the thing be like, oh, you actually have to track this person? and you have to do it. It's like they really just, like,
Starting point is 00:38:21 I guess maybe that's what hunting is. That's what hunting is. The dogs get the, the dogs get the animals into an area where it's, and the flush them out. But I think what you're saying, though, is true,
Starting point is 00:38:31 which is, it should be that they are marketing this to skilled hunters. And that doesn't seem to be the case. It seems that they are just trying to sell this to people who want to kill people. It's like,
Starting point is 00:38:45 that is different. Like there's a hunter. They're, yes, marketing this to people who like want the thrill of ending a human life, not who want the challenge of hunting the most dangerous thing. And when you see the weapons, you're like, why do they have such good weapons but are such bad hunters? Like there's one hunter who is dressed in like, um, like striped like Zubaz pants from like the Super Bowl in 1986. And he's hunting while smoking a cigar,
Starting point is 00:39:12 which is a, a surefire way of, like, they're hunting a human. They can smell that cigar. Like that's not Like, that's not going to be good for stealth. They're also, and this, really, I cannot overstate this enough. They are doing it in the city of New Orleans. They're not, they're hunting, they're hunting party, cars. I mean, Lance Hendrickson is in a convertible. The other guys are in a truck. The dogs are on motorcycles, and they're not like out in the bayou.
Starting point is 00:39:42 They're not out in the country. No, no. They're not chasing people through the bogs and marshes of this area. They are like on Bourbon Street. Midday. Midday. Midday. Hunting, blowing people.
Starting point is 00:39:56 And I think the reason that the movie introduces the police strike is that it's lawless. Oh, a thousand percent. But it also is like, and no tourism. Like literally there's no one on these streets. When they kill that guy, like, didn't you forget to say goodbye to me? Boom, blows his head off. And then, by the way, he goes to. blow that guy's head off and brings like 12 people with him.
Starting point is 00:40:21 Like he had an, these people are all about unfair advantages. It's like, I'm going to just go blow guys head off. Can I get like 12 guys just to get my back on this one just in case? Like, and that guy is my favorite guy, the guy that they karate chop in the belly, get up eat that fuck. Where Lance. I'm obsessed with how he sleeps. I've never seen an adult sleep big time.
Starting point is 00:40:43 Well, first of all, I'm like, is this an, was that an afternoon nap or was that that because he's sleeping fully clothed with both arms up. Oh, he's star fishing in that bed, hard. For sure. But I was fascinated by it because I'm like, oh, when I used to watch like our children sleep as babies, you know, lots of times they would put both arms up. And it's one of the most vulnerable positions you could find yourself in. Now, what if I said the same sentence?
Starting point is 00:41:12 When I used to watch your children sleep when they were babies, is it as sweet? Such an interesting character choice. Are you guys leaving? No, there's the bar. Oh, okay. Oh, they're out. What? They are leaving?
Starting point is 00:41:31 Wow, they are leaving. Yeah, they're leaving. All right there. We love you too. It's quite all right. Two people want to come from the back. Two seats in the front just opened up. Back row.
Starting point is 00:41:39 Let's turn on the house side. Oh, whoa. Wow, they really only. Wow. I totally understand that they have to go, and that's fine. We started a little late. But you know what?
Starting point is 00:41:49 really appreciated that he loved us. I did too. You know what? I'm willing to say, I love you back. Thank you. Thank you for leaving with some love. Babysitters, I get it. Babysitters, dinner reservations.
Starting point is 00:42:00 Hour 45, we're out. These guys win. Understood. Understood. Now those seats are open. Well, I will say this, that that guy that cut off his ear, they beat him up a lot, but I do want to talk about two things about that guy.
Starting point is 00:42:13 First of all, one of the badass and weird moves to me was Lance Hendrickson, washing his hand in his fish bowl, which felt more unsanitary from Lance's side. Like, I'll wash my hand in your fishbow, you fat fuck. Leaves so much evidence at every crime scene. His blood is in the fish bowl. At one point, when...
Starting point is 00:42:36 Well, there's no police, Jason. You have to remember they're on strike. At one point, he takes the bullet casing out of his gun after he shoots a guy in the cemetery and just throws it on the ground. He leaves something at a rail. Yeah, he doesn't shake it out. The other thing that got me is this man who is constantly beat up by Lance Hendrickson,
Starting point is 00:42:56 he basically gives people flyers to pass out for phone sex lines. But when the wide-eyed girl finds it in her dad's like luggage, she's so shocked. And I couldn't tell, is she shocked that she thinks her dad is doing phone sex? Running a phone sex line. I think she's just shocked by the imagery. and the craziness of it, so much so that someone has to say to her,
Starting point is 00:43:23 Chance Boudreau says to her, don't worry, he passed these out for money. Yeah, I, the one thought I had during this movie, because they get lost in the bayou at one point, and it's the most manicured bayou I've ever seen. Like, it is a full trailhead. And she's like, oh, my God, I can't walk anymore. I'm like, you're walking by, like,
Starting point is 00:43:42 the Children's Museum of New Orleans here. Like, this is a paved area. She's like, oh, oh. Oh, God, I can't stand the bio. And I was like, wouldn't it be great if they were just wearing shorts? Like, Jean-Claude Van Damme in, like, short shorts, like magnum shorts would have been great. I would have liked it. I did love the undercurrent storyline, which is the homeless are fundamentally ignored.
Starting point is 00:44:07 Yes. Like, the people of this city, the poor people of the city are constantly being victimized. And the homeless, especially when Elijah is being hunted. And he's in the middle of, I'm going to say Bourbon Street, but, you know, That area of yours. He's in the French quarter. He's in the French. Exactly.
Starting point is 00:44:21 I'm sorry. That's what I wasn't remembering. And he is there. And there's so many people and he's just trying to get them to help and they won't help him. Now, in Marini, that would happen. But not in the French quarter. And then he is shot a thousand times. That scene is absolutely haunting and so well done.
Starting point is 00:44:39 It is a great scene. And you know who's in that scene? Sam Ramey. Oh, Sam Ramey's a producer on this movie. Right. And I found out from Names. that the Universal Studios was so nervous about John Wu directing an English film
Starting point is 00:44:54 that they made Sam Ramey stay on set every day just in case he fucked up. Oh, that's interesting. Was this John Wu's first American movie? Yes, first English language film. Oh, I didn't know that. And I saw that I tried to jump. Did we do Broken Arrow?
Starting point is 00:45:06 Yeah. Then we would do three. Travolta, Christian Slater. Let's do it. Samantha Mathis. I love Samantha Mathis. Oh, pump up the volume, guys. One of the best.
Starting point is 00:45:18 we'll never do it because it's flawless. It's great. Yeah, that's for unspooled. I guess Paul and Amy will tackle that. But we could do cuffs. We could talk to Paul Thomas Anderson about pump up the volume. PTA wants to do cuffs. He wants to do cuffs?
Starting point is 00:45:35 Christian Slater's other movie? Where he's a police adjacent. A real deep cut. Again, we're cutting all of this. When, when his buddy gets shot, in the French quarter. It's in the mid, everything is happening. It's like you said, it is a beautiful shot.
Starting point is 00:45:54 And no one seems to worry, like, because Peck or Pick just goes up to the body. It's like, what's going on here? Just take this money. The bad guys are not phased at all by the fact that they've committed a murder in broad daylight in the French quarter, there's tourists everywhere.
Starting point is 00:46:14 I'm assuming because the police are on strike. I guess. Pick walks up with his spider co knife And he's like, that guy gets it And he's like, zip, go, take the 10 grand, we're walking away. They are, New Orleans in this movie,
Starting point is 00:46:28 and even still today is dot, dot, dot, lawless? I was really curious about the 10 grand belt And just like, oh, that's interesting. Is that belt, I mean, Jason, you'll surely have something to say about this. But is that, was it made for, money like a little money belt or they call it a money belt and there's such a thing as a money belt yeah there's a money belt but there are not there are money belts there are belts that
Starting point is 00:46:57 have tools in them built into the belt but there's not a belt like that we're getting in here talking we're that's cumbersome but where every yeah because this belt was I was like oh it must be repurposed as a 10 grand money belt but there's no way you're making a manufacturer's making a belt that just has pouches all around it for money. What I think is that it's a belt, yes, I think you're right. I don't think it is meant to be a belt to hold 10 grand, but I think it is something that has been made to be a... Different things.
Starting point is 00:47:32 Doesn't Charles Groden? Or it is because they made it so that it could hold that amount of money. Doesn't Charles Groden? I don't think they sell it like, I don't think you could order it from Amazon the 10 grand belt. I mean, I'm curious. Well, you never know Amazon basics might have it. SDR travel does make a tote bag, or a kit bag, that holds $1 million in U.S. currency. Wow.
Starting point is 00:47:52 Really? But wait, doesn't Charles Groden and Midnight Run have about $10,000 in his money belt? Yes. So there you go. It works. Money belts can hold what, I mean, it's just a matter of... The denominations. Yeah, if you have enough high bills, you can fit more in it.
Starting point is 00:48:07 It wasn't all singles. Now, if it was singles, that would probably be... Well, New Orleans is a city that runs on singles. But here's the thing. They're hunting. They're hunting through the bayou. And this is maybe where, I mean, there's so many things to talk about. And let's stop say hunting.
Starting point is 00:48:28 They're murdering through the bayat. And Jean-Claude Van Damme fights a lot of people, but he also fights a fucking snake. Let's take a look at this moment where he fights a snake. this was to me I did not know about this moment and again another jaw dropper and this is after the motorcycle scene which we haven't even talked about yet
Starting point is 00:48:53 this blew my mind especially because of the way he introduces it slowly by saying close your eyes you trust me of course I trust you close your eyes why do you want me to trust you with my eyes close
Starting point is 00:49:13 close your eyes this whole time the stink is right there He knows it. They're taking their time. Big eyes. Is there any way we can rewind? I'm leaving a suppress for my friends. This suggests.
Starting point is 00:50:06 This suggests he's done this before. He rips off the rattle part of the snake, like ripping off a shrimp tail. It's like a crawfish. I have a question for our gun guy. because I somehow feel like he'll know. Do you guys have rattlesnakes here? Okay, cool.
Starting point is 00:50:28 Just making sure. Because we have them in LA. I see them in California all the time, but it's a desert climate. So I was like, oh, is that a, is that, yeah, go ahead. I'm less concerned about the rattlesnake and I'm more concerned about how he saw it. Because the way the rattlesnake is positioned is,
Starting point is 00:50:47 he's like, close your eyes. And I think the way that we would think is that it's coming down like this. But the snake is coming up her back like peekaboo. Becaboo. But it's like, what is it holding on to? It doesn't, a snake isn't rise up like an elevator.
Starting point is 00:51:06 Like, and how would you see? I assumed it was in the tree above. I thought it was in the tree coming down. It was coming down. But it's coming over her shoulder. It's coming above her shoulder. like. Yeah, but they can do that.
Starting point is 00:51:23 How? Where's their tail? Hold on, June. What do you know about rattlesnakes? Well, I don't know a whole lot, but I feel like isn't that the whole thing about snakes that they're like one giant muscle so they can kind of like contract it? One giant muscle. Yeah. But wait, it's got a balance on something.
Starting point is 00:51:42 Yeah, I think there's a bot. I think the bottom was on a branch somewhere. I think it's in a tree. And then it sort of worked its way up. But they're on land. What do you mean? But I think there's trees behind them Something.
Starting point is 00:51:53 I think it's coming out of the tree. Got it. Okay. So there's a low-limbed branch. Is it tree snakes? What do you guys think? What? Hold on.
Starting point is 00:52:01 This lady knows. Okay. June is right. A snake is all muscle. Yes. Case closed. Yeah. Just like Nolan's cops.
Starting point is 00:52:11 No need to investigate further. She said June's right. Isn't the study of snakes herpetology? Well, it came to the right person. That's how they were attracted. Right? Guys, maybe that's what happened to Nat. And now, I don't know, I don't know if when you're, and I do actually want to know.
Starting point is 00:52:37 So if anyone has this information, please share. When you encounter a snake and intend to kind of subdue it or kill it, do you, you give it a, to let. Then you punch it. Then you punch. Because I was like, oh, that's interesting. Is he trying to disorient it? I think he's trying to stun him. not kill it.
Starting point is 00:52:59 Okay, so he couldn't, right, but I guess my question is like, why not only punch? Oh, because it would bite him, I think. Oh, so he slaps it to close its mouth. He hits his head first down, so it's like, whoa. Then he's like bonged, which makes it, I believe, unconscious so that he can set it as a trap for the guys later. It definitely looked like it had been knocked out.
Starting point is 00:53:23 He approaches the fight with the snake the same way that he approaches. the fight with Mr. Paine. Absolutely. So, but that's a serious question. Like, is that, does that seem accurate? Do we have any herpetologists in the room? Has anyone bitch slapped and then punched a snake in the face? Somebody raised their hand. That's like, and that you get on the big gator tours. The good gator tours, you get to do that. The five-hour ones. Now, real missed opportunity, no gators in this movie. For this area, I was like, for sure we're going to get some gators. Well, I mean, they spent all their money on the motorcycle budget because as we're talking about the snake scene, we have to talk about this scene where he's on the run, he's on a motorcycle.
Starting point is 00:54:06 We have established he doesn't know how to drive, but yet he knows how to fucking drive a motorcycle. I guess he knows how to drive a motorcycle. We'll see in a second. But he's on a chase. The bridge goes out, or it's under construction. And this is the moment that I'm really confused at. He takes Yancey and goes, you stay here.
Starting point is 00:54:23 From what I understand in this movie, she would be engulfed in flames at the end of this scene. But he puts her in harm's way and then does this. Yancey is engulfed in flames and dead. Because that truck explodes right where he said, stay here, you'll be safe. She has no chance of life or survival after that. My only note on this scene, only, the only thing I have to say about it,
Starting point is 00:55:37 is I was bummed that he didn't forward roll over the car. Yeah. You know, there's some great... You think he tried. Because there are some great somersaults in this movie. But here I was like, oh... In that close-up, he is trying to do the forward fall, but the stuntman couldn't do it.
Starting point is 00:55:56 Yeah. Like, that's what you're seeing. Like, Beth, rewind it just a second. Because we watch, watch the way, just a little bit. You see, like, watch, because you'll see he is trying to, like, that's a forward role. He's going into it. Right, but then watch a stuntman.
Starting point is 00:56:07 Watch us here. Okay, so that's forward roll. He's trying to plan. Right. But he's going sideways. By the way, that's a fucking nuts. That's an insane gun. That's an insane stunt.
Starting point is 00:56:20 The stomach, I think, tried to land on his feet. Oh, wait a second. While we're frozen here, what's his watch doing? One's a compass. That's a compass. And the other side's a calculator. Like, what's his watch? Is it compass?
Starting point is 00:56:33 Compass, calculator, and watch. That's what he's got on. I mean, like, honest to God, I'm just noticing this for the first time. It's the first time I'm seeing this on the big screen. It's better. and I'm genuinely like, what's up with this watch? By the way, rewind it one more time, Beth,
Starting point is 00:56:48 because you know what, we can keep the show a little bit long. Just rewind it's a little bit. I want to see when you see him go forward, you see another man's face. The other man's face is great. It's right about, let's see, maybe a second before, it's right about, right before you see his face on. Yeah, we're getting there, we're getting there, maybe a second.
Starting point is 00:57:06 Oh, wait, yeah, just try. Okay, right, so his face. This is incredible. Here's his face. Pip, play. let's just see if we can get to it another face another face right there yeah
Starting point is 00:57:16 if you rewind that you get that you'll see another face fully it's like stuntman for Mel Gibson yeah that guy that is it looks like Jay Leno it looks like Jay Leno denim on denim standing on top of a motorcycle
Starting point is 00:57:33 listen God bless that stunt man yeah I do some stunts I don't use my tonight show money I just do stunts I use all my stunt money instead Spanned time, they said they wanted to rent my motorcycles and my trucks. Oh, well, I mean, before we get to the audience, I need to, we got to talk about one other thing, which is... I mean, I have so many more notes, but yeah, go ahead. Thank God for Wilford Brimley.
Starting point is 00:57:58 Oh, I wrote in my notes, like, we're so far into the movie, and I said, where's Wilford Brimley? I was actually worried. I'm like... You were worried that he might not be in the movie? I was, because I was so excited when I saw him in the beginning. the beginning and I was like, it was really quite some time until he shows up. No, Wilford Brimley. This frame right here is highlight something.
Starting point is 00:58:21 I want to talk about swipe edits. This movie has full swipe edits throughout that are like Star Wars. Love him. That are from like, yes, that are from like 30s and 40s serials. It's fucking nuts. I loved it. When they meet Wilford Brimley, at first it just looked like an old man. And I will say this.
Starting point is 00:58:42 What I know about Wilford Brimley? Brimley. He's got very distinctive like kind of the most Americana accent. I'm going to talk. I'm only tell you some shit and this is it. You know, and it's like, and so when he opens his mouth in this movie, my jaw. Yeah, it was shocking.
Starting point is 00:58:58 Done dropped. Yeah. Because I don't know what. Is this Creole? Is this French? Is this like some bastard? I don't even know. I want to get to the audience what they think of this too, but I guess it's a Creole accent. Take a
Starting point is 00:59:13 Listen. We fix him up good. Put bandit John didn't no hurt. Be strong, my boy. Duvay, I've got some people after me. I know. I can't smile them.
Starting point is 00:59:28 You still get a 30 out six, the one I give you for your birthday? No. A gator ate it. In and out. But, uh... Out. I still got your shotgun.
Starting point is 00:59:41 He is... He is... What chase after you. He's like... He's mad at you for business or pleasure. We can pause it for a thing. He's made a choice and he's regretting it. He's in and out of it.
Starting point is 00:59:52 I want to say something that is completely insane. Yeah. In this movie, right here, Wilford Brimley is nine years older than me. Wow. In this movie, that actor is nine years. years older than I am currently. What's happening? How wild is that?
Starting point is 01:00:28 Now how's your Creole accent? Oh, them gone gators. Them gone gators got my crawded. Oh, them po-boys and them gators and them crawdads. All right. So Jason and I watch movies and subtitles, June, I know you don't like it, but we're millennials, so that's what we do. I've actually started to do a pump.
Starting point is 01:00:50 I love it. This is a moment that I saw that I couldn't hear, but it was on the screen. This is Lance Hendrickson when he's upset with one of the people. When the man is attacked by a snake, this is what I see. I'll fuck you, then I'll eat you. I heard him say this. Yeah, he said that. I was shocked.
Starting point is 01:01:17 I rewound it three times and took a picture of it just because of it. I was like, I'll fuck you and then I'll eat you? Incredible stuff. I really feel like that was improvised. I was just going to say, I guarantee that's a Lance Hendrickson. A thousand percent. I'm a improvised line because why would you do it in that order? Fuck you and then I'll eat you.
Starting point is 01:01:39 I like, I get my work up an appetite after fucking you, so I got to chomp, chomp, eat you? I mean, this is from the guy who's big line and the third act of the movie is, hey! Like he just yells hey. Like that's like I don't got it. He does it twice. Hey! Hey, hey. How are you?
Starting point is 01:02:02 Like it's, I guess it's a nice moment of just pure desperation, but he's so eloquent throughout that I would love to have had him yell something else. Like he runs out of good lines as the movie goes on. One of my, again, I have so few critiques of this movie. So this is really the only one. I did wish his death was a little bit better at the end. Yes. Lance Hendrickson.
Starting point is 01:02:24 Yes, sorry, Lance Hendrickson. I was like, the grenade, I don't, I want a kick. You know, I want a... Well, you want a line. Like, I want that grenade to go in his pants and go, nuts. Like, you know. That's what I want it. I agree with you 100% because here's the thing, Van Damme, known for his
Starting point is 01:02:48 physicality, his kicks, his punches, that's what he's and so, yes, in this movie he's got a lot of gunplay, shotgun, handguns, all that stuff, okay, I'm on board. But the final death being a grenade felt like blunt, too clunky and clumsy to me
Starting point is 01:03:08 in a way that I was like, oh oh, there's a grenade in my pants. You wanted him to kick his neck off or something like that. Like you wanted the throat rip equivalent. Like you needed you needed the last leg like the last leg kick. I wanted J.CVD to kick Lance Hendrickson's head off of his
Starting point is 01:03:24 body. Yeah. I see a lot of notes, a lot of handwritten notes. I want you to introduce yourself in your best Wilford-Brimly accent. And you say, hi, my name is this, and my question is this. All right, so here we go. Hi, my name is Caroline.
Starting point is 01:03:39 Great. And my question is, like, three or four times throughout the movie, birds seem to help Jean-Claude Van Dam. Okay. This is signature John Wu Doves and Pigeons. This is a,
Starting point is 01:03:54 this is one of John Wu's artistic signatures, which is slow motion, doves, and in this case, pigeons. Yeah. And in this case, they are actively helping John Claude Van Damme find clues, do stuff.
Starting point is 01:04:09 It's as if they are his allies in the thing. But it is also part of John Wu's filmmaking if you watch the rest of his movies. But what's tough about that is, like doves are one thing, but pigeons are so disgusting. That every time, like, when that pigeon was sitting on his shoulder, I was like, you need to bathe for one week. I sent you guys that picture.
Starting point is 01:04:29 Yes, it was really... The only picture I took of the screen was when John, rather when John Claude Van Damme winks at the pigeon on his shoulder. I was like, they have more chemistry than him and that. True. And the other thing is, I do think he is able to do, bird calls with his uncle because that's their special hi, it's me, knock, knock, knock, knock. That's their special signal that it's all clear.
Starting point is 01:05:00 But I thought he was actually communicating with the pigeons, like actually communicating through the, through calls. Do you think that pigeon? I think you might be right. Was a cop? The pigeons are like his greatest ally until Wilford Brimley arrives. I mean, the pigeon. The pigeon doing what you just said, coming in and helping him find clues, is wild.
Starting point is 01:05:26 Well, listen, again, the police force is down, so someone had to step up. That's true. It was the pigeons. There it is. What is your name and your best Cajun accent? And your question. Oh, I am George Michael. My question is that, so a wanderer.
Starting point is 01:05:47 brothers executive said that like Lance Hendrickson and also I believe his name is Arnold Valsul he had they had great chemistry if yeah and they and they yeah they the executive said that like the person like they regret not having a movie with them if you could have a movie with them would you want them to be a villain like a villain duo that wins in the end or a buddy, like, cop comedy kind of thing going on. Oh, I think I see what you mean. For me,
Starting point is 01:06:24 I would have loved, hmm, I guess there is a world in which the movie could have existed where the franchise is them. They kill J-CV-D at the end of this movie. They win, and
Starting point is 01:06:39 they go and set up in, where were they saying, Eastern Europe they were going to go to next? And the next movie is them in Eastern Europe versus Stalone, or them in Eastern Europe versus Nicholas Cage, or them in, the franchise is built around the bad guys? Wouldn't that be cool? Well, I love that idea. I think I just, I still really struggle with the fact that they don't play fair. I mean, we haven't even talked about the opening scene when Daddy dies, but Daddy, Daddy, Daddy does, you know, they set up the rules,
Starting point is 01:07:14 like, if he gets to the river, he wins. Yes. But he got there. Yeah. Oh, his fingernails on the dock. The sound of his fingernails on the dock was harrowing. This is a question for everybody, but first to June and Jason, is the river the dock or the river? Like, is the dog still?
Starting point is 01:07:33 Paul. He says if he gets to the river and he's honestly beyond the river, he's more than at the river. He's more than at the river. He's old. the river. He's in the, he's above the river on the dock, so the river is underneath, so he certainly has reached the river's limits, and then he falls into the river itself. Well, guys, we guys wanted you to hear this because this guy's yelled it out four times. Here, I'm going to come back to you, you yell it out. Okay, here we go. Just yell what you've just been yelling.
Starting point is 01:08:01 His feet fell through. He hit the river. Okay, there we go. Okay. Carhart overalls has that to say. You have the question. But, no, but I guess the thing is, the challenge, wasn't submerge your body in the river. It was get to it. I agree. Once you get to the rivers, once you pass the... They don't play by the river.
Starting point is 01:08:23 And I don't like that. They play dirty. They play dirty. Wait, hold on. We have a bad guy defender. What do you say? I'm just saying there's a geography technicality because he starts in the French quarter. The very next shot he's on the West Bank.
Starting point is 01:08:36 There's no way to get there without being in the river. There it is. He had to be in a river. So you're saying he kind of lap? the river like he had been there. There's no way to cross that shit. Oh, I see. Okay, so you have to know New Orleans geography
Starting point is 01:08:52 in order to understand the technicality of the beginning of the movie. I'm so upset. So you're telling me this movie only really works in this city. Well, listen, I think what we're learning, or I guess this is my question, you know, does anyone ever get away?
Starting point is 01:09:10 I mean, they've been in business for years. No. I don't think so. Nobody's got that $10,000. Because they play dirty. Although it did feel like when Perry shot that guy, they didn't seem shocked by it. So that may happen a few times too. But I bet you they still take the $10,000 and kill him.
Starting point is 01:09:29 Because when Perry killed the hunter, they're like, kill him. They weren't like, he gets a $10,000. It was like, kill him. Yeah. Now it's time for second opinions. I target a five-star movie. J-C-V-D kicking with ease hunting homeless veterans through New Orleans
Starting point is 01:09:55 because it's a hot target, hot target. Amazing. Great work. My name's Jesse, and I like that guy that left earlier. I also love you guys, but I'm still here. Thank you, Jesse. Nice work, Jesse. You can walk down the stairs. These are five-star reviews, cold from Amazon.
Starting point is 01:10:13 There are 3,000. 57 reviews. Wow. 4.6 out of five stars is the average. That's 76% are five star, 2% or one star. And these are the weirdest ones compiled by Nate Kylie. All right, so here we go. This one starts off from Gloria back in 2020.
Starting point is 01:10:40 My husband loves this movie. He just can't get enough of it, which I find weird. But it's Van Dam. Five stars. Best movie of all time. This one's for the husband. This one is from Frankie D. From 2013.
Starting point is 01:11:04 This is one of the best Jean-Claude Van Damme movies ever. Because most of his movies are crap. He cannot act. And he does the same fight scenes over and over in all of his movies. This was good because it was John Wu, the slow motion style and the two guns and a whole lot of shooting.
Starting point is 01:11:25 Van Dam was serviceable. He didn't really mesh well with Wu because Van Dam likes to do a lot of kicks. And Wu likes guns. Overall, it was a good movie. Five stars. One of the best Van Dam movies ever. Didn't get that.
Starting point is 01:11:46 That was going to be five stars. Really came in there. This one I like from, Evans Frederick from 2017. This is my favorite actor, J-C-V-D. I like this movie so much. I remember when I was 14 years old and that this movie came to a theater close to me.
Starting point is 01:12:03 I mean, back home. Five stars. Also, this gentleman, Scotty kind of missed the point of the review when he goes, not exactly a complaint. Well, this is a review section, so not either. But the package I got contained four
Starting point is 01:12:23 Jean-Claude Van Dan movies. Not just Hard Target. But it did include Hard Target. So, I ain't mad. Five stars. Can you imagine the joy? When you order Hard Target and three other J-CVD movies
Starting point is 01:12:41 are in the package? What a delight. That's like a... That's Christmas come early. I mean, 100%. And this is one that I thought was disturbing. From DeJure Thomas. He writes this.
Starting point is 01:12:55 I love watching this movie with my mom. I used to reenact the scenes of my toy pop gun. Five stars. I did love that in this movie, all bullets seemed to explode to the level of like a landmine every time they hit. Every bullet fires triggers a legitimate explosion.
Starting point is 01:13:19 Yeah, during the warehouse scene at the end, there's a container that takes off like a rocket. Yeah. It truly from just a single shot. It just is like, it goes up though. Yeah. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. It doesn't even explode. No, no, yeah, yeah, exactly. It like jumps up in the air.
Starting point is 01:13:35 But yet this movie does the best stuntman trick of all time. Motorcycles, snake punches, exploding rockets, houses. They have the budget, but they didn't have enough budget to do one scene where they just fly into moving boxes. just a wall of like a moving truck
Starting point is 01:13:55 and then just moving boxes like oh we crash into the moving boxes like that's like when you have no money to do stunts you fall into moving boxes I thought that was fun and cheap some facts from Nate Kylie here Van Dam would insist on having one of the cameras focused on his muscles at all time Wu complied but never use that footage
Starting point is 01:14:17 I need to make that part of my contract Yeah you got to put that in your writer I need people to like be, I need there to be a extra camera just trained on my bod. Yeah, figure it out, line producer, working in the budget. It's not my problem. Budget, 18 million. Opening weekend, 10. Domestic gross, 32.
Starting point is 01:14:40 Worldwide gross, 74 million. Great. Did it work wonderful. It comes out the same year as Jurassic Park, Mrs. Dalfire, the fugitive. It came in 48th. it was beaten by Demolition Man and it beat Super Mario Brothers. Look who's talking now. Surf Denges,
Starting point is 01:14:56 Mr. Nanny and Airborne. That's a big, how did this get made year. What a great year. What a time to be alive. What a great year for film. Yeah. And the tagline is don't hunt what you can't kill.
Starting point is 01:15:10 And that is hard target. New Orleans. You did it. You did it. Wow. But quickly, what do we want to plug, Jason? what do you want to tell people about? I will say that if you haven't started it, I cannot recommend highly enough
Starting point is 01:15:28 the Amazon Prime series Paper Girls. And if you watch it, it's incredible. It's great. It's based on the Brian K. Vaughn and Cliff Chain comic book. And at a certain point, I am in it. I didn't know that. I'm excited. And I get to be a bad guy. It's fun.
Starting point is 01:15:46 I love it. Did you take any lessons from Lance Hendrickson? Oh, boy, I wish I'd seen this movie before this. I would have absolutely Take an inspiration from Lance Endrickson, for sure. And June, what do you got? I'm in this season of Everything is Trash, Phoebe Robinson show, on freeform. So I'm doing a couple of episodes, and the last two that I'm in are coming out in the next few weeks.
Starting point is 01:16:08 And then I will quickly just plug. What am I going to plug? I have to look at what I put. Oh, yeah, you can listen to Unspooled. Clint Tarantino was on it. And every Thursday night, Rob Heubel and I, who actually work with John Claude Van Dam, do a show on Twitch. Totally for free. If just go to Twitch or YouTube, you can watch it there.
Starting point is 01:16:23 and Star Trek Lower Decks Season 3 starts next week which will be great and thank you for being with us. This is a massive big show to kick us off. Thank you to Beth running the tech first time out, back on the road. Thank you, Beth.
Starting point is 01:16:40 Thank you everybody here at the film war. We're going to take a post picture. Thank you everybody who was brave enough to do your second opinion song in front of a crowd of judgmental people. Wow, people are getting up and leaving. They got to go. you know what you gotta get home i understand
Starting point is 01:16:56 thank you for coming out with nice work you all house

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