How Did This Get Made? - Jack

Episode Date: September 11, 2026

Robin Williams plays a 10-year-old boy who looks like a 40-year-old man in the 1996 Francis Ford Coppola film Jack—a movie that wants to be a dramedy but is actually a body horror flick about boomers and their mortality. Paul, Jason, and June cover Fran Drescher's inexplicable attraction to Jack, Bill Cosby farting in the treehouse, if Jennifer Lopez was tempted to be Jack's date, why Jack was NOT a shooting star, and so much more. Plus, Paul shares a childhood story about an awkward hotel check-in experience with his mom. • Join our Vulture Movies Fantasy League at vulture.com/hdtgm • Go to hdtgm.com for tour dates, merch, FAQs, and more • Leave us a voicemail at speakpipe.com/hdtgm • Submit your Last Looks theme song here • Join our Discord at discord.gg/hdtgm • Buy merch at howdidthisgetmade.dashery.com/ • Order Paul’s book about his childhood: Joyful Recollections of Trauma • Shop our new hat collection at podswag.com • Paul’s Discord: discord.gg/paulscheer • Paul’s YouTube page: youtube.com/paulscheer • Follow Paul on Letterboxd: letterboxd.com/paulscheer • Subscribe The Dark Web w/ Paul & Rob Huebel: youtube.com/@enterthedarkweb • Listen to Unspooled with Paul & Amy Nicholson: unspooledpodcast.com • Listen to The Deep Dive with June & Jessica St. Clair: thedeepdiveacademy.com/podcast • Instagram: @hdtgm, @paulscheer, & @junediane • Twitter: @hdtgm, @paulscheer • Jason is not on social media • Episode transcripts available at how-did-this-get-made.simplecast.com/episodes Get access to all the podcasts you love, music channels and radio shows with the SiriusXM App! Get 3 months free using the link: siriusxm.com/hdtgm Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

It's big, but way more disturbing. We saw Jack, so you know what that means. Now it's time. How did this campaign? We're going to have a good time, celebrate some failure. Not just be a hater because you know you wonder. How did this campaign? Let's walk in the mediocrity of subparart.

Perhaps we'll find the answer to the question. How did this get made? Hello, people of Earth, and welcome to How did this get made. I am Paul Shear. And today we are talking about the 19. 1996 dromedy, Jack, which is a film that stars Robin Williams as a 10-year-old boy with a genetic condition, causing him to age four times faster than normal,

meaning that when he is about 10, he looks 40. And after years of being homeschooled by his overprotective parents, who are Diane Lane and Brian Kerwin, Jack enrolls in a regular fifth-grade class where he develops a crush on his teacher, played by Jennifer Lopez, and attempts to make friends for the first time and even adult friends with Fran Drescher. And yes, this film was directed by Francis Ford Copla. We're going to get into it all,

but let me introduce my two brilliant co-host, Jason Manzoukis and June Diane Rayfiel. How are you both? Well, you know what? Not to peel the curtain back too much, but when Paul did an aborted intro to the show and called June and I brilliant earnestly, then caught himself short

and then did the intro you just did and I felt like that brilliant had some spice on it. You know, look, anyone can interpret the way that I am saying the word brilliant in any which way they came to the same way. Never. The way people can interpret, you know,

the legend of Billy Jean. Oh, I mean, geez, belt dad. I mean, I cannot stop thinking about belt dad. I just have to stop the podcast for a second because I didn't know this movie was directed by Francis Ford Coppola. Oh, wait, are we really stopping the podcast? No. We can talk about the fact that this is, yes.

This is a Francis Ford Coppola. I didn't know that until this moment. This is in his like lost era. No, no. And by the way, June, there's a little Easter egg here because in that opening Halloween party scene, there's a woman dressed as a wine bottle from Francis Ford Copa's vineyards. So that's the little, that's how you know. Like, you know, Kitchcock would walk across the screen.

Copa puts a woman in a wine bottle in every movie. You mentioned this in the intro, but is this before or after big? Oh, way after. It's 1996. As a matter of fact, big is big. Big is 80s. Oh, okay. Is this before or after the godfather?

This is actually before the godfather. That's a good question. A lot of people think this is after the godfather. Wow. Yep. It goes Godfather 1. It goes Jack. Megalopolis, Godfather 2, the conversation.

He is coming off, in all sincerity, he is coming off Godfather Part 3. About six years ago, he does Godfather Part 3. He does the John Grisham movie. He does Rainmaker. He does a bunch of, like, kind of duds, including this movie. Well, here's the thing. Robin Williams said, I will only do this movie. if you hire Francis Ford Copeland.

Now, I was wondering if that is because they are friends, and he felt like his career was a little bit on shaky ground at this point. And he's like, you know what, let me try to get my friend a big movie. And I don't think it worked out so well. Can you, here's what I'll say. Can you imagine just how much worse this movie would have been, were it not for Francis Ford Coppola? You know, because this movie, I will say,

I don't know what it's the movie is. I mean, we can get into it because the movie is straight nuts. Now, out of curiosity, because this is a kind of, this, wow, what is it about one of these movies that this generation kept wanting to make movies where they were younger versions of themselves, where they got to experience youth again? I thought about this, Jason. And I felt a way about it watching it now differently than I felt a way. about these type of movies when I watch them as a young person.

Sorry, go ahead, June. Well, no, I think that we must have been dealing with something as a culture where adulthood or the American dream or it was not what we had hoped it would be. And the disappointment of that, the feeling like we can't have two, you know, two and a half kids and we can't have the house and we can't afford. and the jobs are not what, and this isn't what we thought. And there is a rejection of being an adult and a desire to have adults be children. I disagree with you both fundamentally on this and say that this is high art disguised as low art.

It's like, hey, I want to make a movie about what it's like for kids who are going through issues, but I'll do it in a funny way, right? Because I think this is a really saccharine metaphor for, you know, for kids who have cancer, right? Sure, sure. For different kids. Yeah. Right. Kids who can't maybe go to school and have been held home. I think where the movie falls apart is because it's so heightened that that metaphor really falls apart.

Because I think at the end of the day, you're supposed to be like, oh, just because he's a 40-year-old man, he is just like us. We just have to get to know him, right? Yes. Yes, I agree with you. And it just sort of feels. It has like those kind of melodrama elements to it because it is. It's not it's not playing the big game of like, oh, a kid gets to be an adult. What's he going to do?

It's not wish fulfillment. And it's not at all. It's not told. It's almost not even told from a childlike point of view. No, it's so odd. And I know that like Coppola was like, oh, this is my follow up to Peggy Sue got married. But like Peggy Sue got married is such a different idea because he is a child who. who just looks like Robin Williams.

And I have a lot of issues with this disease that he has, where he ages in fours. So it's like when he's one, he's four, but when he's four, he's aging. Yes. It's really, it's an algorithm to figure out how he's aging. But here's the thing. Here's what's so strange about the movie. He, when he's, oh, so we meet him and he's going to fifth grade, he's 10, correct?

Right. He's 10. But is 40? Is that right? Yes. Yes. Okay, please go ahead. We are told over and over again that he is mentally 10 years old.

But that kid that I meet, that's not a 10-year-old. Oh, wow. What did you do? Ranch and her knee. Let me see. Oh, it's not bleeding. Okay. It's not.

I can fix it for you. Okay. I'll bite it. No, no. Don't bite it. I really do. No. I have to bite it.

Don't. You're going to get infected. You're okay. But this leg has got to. come off. I'll get your father's song. No, no, no, no. No, no. Get your father.

Oh, God. You think, younger? That's, that's, and this is where the movie falls apart. It's like, oh, I would buy if this was actually, like, the energy of a 10-year-old, but he had the energy of someone who just was mentally, and I'm not, I don't, I hope this is in an air. he seemed mentally unwell. I don't care if he's 10.

I don't care if he's 40. He seemed mentally. Well, he has been trapped in a house. He is very sheltered. He's very socially, like, not acclimated to the world or to other children. I agree with you, though, because I had a very similar note, which is he felt the same kid age throughout all of the ages until he's a valedictorian. And even then, he seems like major.

be 12. You know what I mean? I think that he's, I couldn't, he couldn't dial it in. And I think that it was the hardest thing for me was like, he couldn't quite dial it in. And because the movie wasn't sure exactly what world it lived in,

I found it much more successful when Robin Williams was being a kid amongst kids than Robin Williams being a kid amongst adults. Well, because I think you're right. That created the most dissonance for me. Like, when he was with his parents, who he's older than looking and but acting like a kid, I couldn't.

I didn't like it, but the magic trick didn't work for me as much. But here's my question. I know he's been trapped. I know he's been trapped in the house. Why can't he sit in a desk? Yeah. Well, but he can, but look, why would he even, why would he even attempt to sit in a child's desk? It just reeks of Robin Williams.

That desk wasn't that small. Like, if that's the joke. they were going for. They missed that. That desk, any one of us would see that structure. And this is where I really struggled, would see, oh, there's a chair,

and there's a thing, and then you sit your body. We would all sit in that desk correctly. If we're going to go pull it out, then I'm going to say, why were his parents dressing him like an old man? Let's not talking about pulling it out. I mean, his parents dressed him for failure, right? Because every other kid in this movie

is dressed like a kid. And he is dressed in like a... He's wearing tan on tan. He doesn't look like a kid. The posters for the movie make him look more like a kid than he does in the movie. And I find that to be so odd.

And I guess your argument could be like, well, they don't make kid clothes for 40-year-olds, but they could make him a little bit more fashionable. Wasn't there also a Martin Short movie with this? That was Clifford. But he was playing... Clifford was a child.

played by Martin Short, but the acknowledgement was that he was a child. It was never an adult. It was just an adult playing a child. It's not a big. It's not a this. No, it is. A child, an adult playing a child. And a very funny, a very funny movie.

Him and Charles Road was great. I realize I don't think I've seen any of these movies but big. This one is. This one, this was, what I also couldn't figure out was who is this movie for? Like, it wasn't. Yeah, it is for adults, I think. It's for the parents of Jacks. The nostalgia of being a kid.

And if you notice, all the music ancillary to the movie is all like 50s do-up. Well, that's what I wanted to bring up. What are we doing? When you talked about how he is just generic kid, it feels like the movie is also the 50s. It feels like we're in Stand By Me World. Or Pleasantville or Happy Days or something. This is 1996. I'm a kid in 19.

1996. And they're playing, they're up in a tree house looking at nudie magazines like, again, like that part I thought was cool. Now, that's the part that I was like, okay, this seems like the 90s, baby. Here's what I didn't understand, though, is they at the end, they go to such lengths, even the bullies, even the original bullies, to come back to get in. They're outside staging, like, you know, a week's long rally. to get him out of the house when he locks himself in. But I didn't understand what was he offering these people. Aside from penthouse magazines and aside from being tall enough to shoot a basketball,

what kind of impact did he make on this community of kids? Great. So I'll go ahead. No, you do take it and I will follow up. What is who? Who is the protagonist? Who's arc? Are we following? I don't know.

Who are we meant to, like, nothing really demonstrably happens to anybody of real significance or import. Exactly what you're saying, yes, he buys some nudie mags. But it never goes so far as to be like, every, every, but I do feel like this is about boomers and their mortality. Oh, yes. They never get into buying booze or having sex or, you know, because these kids are too young. They're in fifth grade. Yes. Yes.

Yes, the moment where he tries to ask out J-Lo, I thought, was very sweet. Like, there are really sweet moments in this movie that... It's so sadden. Yes, because he's good at doing that, turning on that, like, absolute emotional availability. There are moments where I was like, oh, wow, this is interesting. But to what end, I did not know what story we were following. This is also Robin Williams in, like, prime melancholy mode, right? Because he makes it other...

I don't like it. I don't know. It doesn't sit well with me. I don't like the... verge of tears. It makes me feel weird. I guess the thing I'm also saying, and this is the thing that bummed me out about this movie the most, I get, yes, you want to make a metaphor for kids that are sick and kids that are different. I love that idea in theory, and that should be more of a kids movie.

I think this is a movie for adults. But the one way that he appeals to the kids, the way that he is kind of brought into the kids, has nothing to do with his personality. It only has to do with his differences. Oh, you're tall, so you're a good basketball player. Oh, you can go buy penthouses. He has nothing to offer them that is of his own personality. So the movie is positing, like, accept him for who he is. It's like, no, no, we just accept him.

Who is he? Yeah, we don't know. He's kind of a cipher for what all these other characters are putting into him. I guess the closest we get to who he is is in the tree house when he's farting and eating that stuff and having a good time. When he was doing that with Bill Cosby? We got to. We got to talk about it. Bill Cosby.

We got to talk about the cause. When Bill Cosby in the treehouse pokes his head through the treehouse hole to come on up, I screamed. It was genuinely, it's so strange now to see him on screen. It's actually terrifying. I found him to be a terrifying. Bill Cosby does play his tutor in this film. And he seems to be very checked out. of what is going on because whenever they hit a problem,

he's like, send him back to school. Send him back to school. Like, he's always trying to send him back to school. Well, I think he wants to socialize him. What was strange is that Bill Cosby also introduces Jack as the valedictorian of the high school. Yes. He got a job there? So has Cosby been working for the school system this entire time?

I do want to bring up a... Maybe it's just like some extra cash on the side. I don't know. I can't express. you how uncomfortable it felt to see Bill Cosby in all these scenes with kids. It was. It was disgusting. Even though I know those are not his crimes.

No, but it's still, you don't want him in a treehouse. You don't want him around them. I just didn't like it. Oh, yeah, because we don't want him around them. It was very, very distressing. I am going to show you something because the movie basically takes place in this one year of school, right? that's the like for all intents and purposes it's there's bookends where he's born and then this this kind of reunion and now on the screen it says seven years later right so seven years later they're graduating

i imagine they're graduating from high school at this point right now this is what shocked me and i'm just going to show you this uh because i i don't think you would believe it if i didn't um when they are panning around the graduation ceremony there is this sign that says seven years later, which I was like, wait, did someone get the wrong note? Like, this should be like high school graduation, not a banner that says seven years later. I wonder if, to what end is the seven years later? Coppola thought he was going to practically, like, you'd pan through, you'd see this, and it

would tell you that it was seven years later. And so they maybe wouldn't use a Chiron on screen or something. But, whoa. to make a banner that says seven years. This is so weird. I hope it's what you said. I hope props made this. And he was like, why would I want this?

Why would I want something that says? That's a title. It's in the script. It's in the script. It says seven years led. But you know what? I will say that, you know, talking about maybe an interesting shot technique, Francis Ford Copeland does give us for the first time the uterus cam. Because we get the POV of Robin Williams coming out of the birth connection.

which was a crazy and very unnecessary shot. Why did we need to see the POV of the baby coming out of Diane Lane? Well, it's very interesting because the movie starts at Halloween, and there is something, and this is not just because of his, there's something very terrifying about this movie. There's something very spooky and ghoulish. And when they started on that Congo line, I thought, I don't know about, I don't know about this. and then it just continued and continued. And then at the very end, he's going to die.

Sure. But also, here's the thing about Robin Williams I found so strange. He's old. And he says, like, he's old as hell at that last shot. And he says, like, you know, got to live every moment to the fullest. Life is short. Makes a joke about his own lifespan. you see his grays

and then he comical grays I mean he is great yes and then he runs to that convertible and jumps up and hops in the back with such a pep in his step

I was like what's happening? That was where the movie like they need a happy ending here because it is it's kind of this moment where it's like make every moment count but then he looks so fine

he's shaky hands you know wearing those and again and dressed like a clown still. Like, he is dressed in bright red, like, I don't even, they're clown shoes. Like, that's how we introduced Jack at the end of the movie. He is fully transformed into clown mode here. In her sequin clown shoes.

For example, it really is, like, the movie is all broad strokes. We don't know any of the interiority of Jack's life or mind at all. We don't know what he wants. Does Jack want to go to school? College meaning? Does he, like, what lies ahead for Jack? Is it just, are we celebrating... Well, I don't know because he never wrote that essay.

That's what I mean. Did he... Are we just celebrating that he got this far? You know, like... That he lived. That he lived? Like, what is the movie's story? Like, how would...

Like, it's just about... It's about the gimmick almost. Well, I think the big story is, wouldn't it be funny to have a hairy man with a bunch of kids? Because that's really the thing that they keep on getting. I don't think it's funny at all. Don't you want to be a kid again? Now, hey, now that we're...

middle age. This is how they pitched it. Hey, now that we're all middle age, remember what it was like to be a kid, young and on the playground, playing basketball, duop music, playing off of every corner out of every transistor radio? Let's do that. But for the 90s, and guess what? Copel is in. As long as we put a representation of his wine bottles in the movie, she's in. All I'm going to say is, and God bless these great creators and, and I, and I, and I give them all their props. They don't seem like parents who have spent much time

with their children. Because, again, I think that these broad strokes is why the movie feels weird. It doesn't feel like a 10-year-old. It doesn't feel like these issues that are actually going on. I mean, there is a moment in this movie

with Diane Lane and her husband. And by the way, Diane Lane, Aces. Love Diane Lane. Where she's like, I'm worried about him. I feel bad about him. And the husband is trying to fuck her. And it is so uncomfortable.

In their son's special little box. I thought that was so weird. It was like, she's upset and you're just trying to like, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay. And he's like, let's have another kid. I'm like, and I also get, I get all these elements, but it just came in such waves that made me uncomfortable. And such brief moments. Again, like, you're really checking in, you're doing the bare minimum to check in on these parents and what their lives might be like. So it's like so late into the movie when you find out like, oh, they are capable of having another child.

They're just afraid of that or whatever. And that's interesting. That could be explored. Very interesting. Very interesting, especially now that we know, which we don't find out so later, like, he's going to die in a few years. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

And they also, the movie's not about that. I thought for sure the movie was going to be about. Live your life. That at the end of the movie would be the end of his life. And that that would be, the movie's thesis would be an entire life lived in a child's, you know. No. But this is this, what's so weird, because they spend so much time, I think, letting Robin Williams do Robin Williams that we don't get to investigate any of this.

I mean, here's again, as I should I had, when he walks into that treehouse for the first time. Now, that tree house is very large. Yeah. Okay? It's very, very large. He could, as an adult man, I think, stand up in there. So could Bill Cosby. So could Bill Cosby.

But there is so much room in there when Robin Williams. Williams arrives. He falls over everything, knocks into everything, bumping and I'm like, but wait, is this his first time walking? Like, they're playing something that isn't there. Well, but I feel like this is of that era. This is like, this is him. This is if Jim Carrey were in this part, this would be what he would be doing. Like, the outsized physical performance is just, We are drowning in these kind of performances inside the mid, early to mid-90. He's playing. Mike Myers.

He's playing the physicality of a body that he doesn't have where that works in big because he's a little kid who now is big so he doesn't understand how his body works. But Robin Williams is a big child who has always been big. He's grown into his body. And would understand how his body works. I think so. Would have to. I mean, he's all.

He doesn't seem to know. where it begins and ends. Right, but like as a 10-year-old, he has a mind of a 10-year-old, but he has the body of a 40-year-old. So his body would be the normal thing to him, in my mind. Well, it's also like you don't meet a kid who's like, you know, 10 years old, but inexplicably is just very, very tall. Sometimes you meet, you know, a kid who's just much taller than their age. And the kid isn't like, I should be small.

I think of myself as a tiny little guy. No. You know where you, but you know what kind of space you take up in the world. Correct. And that's what was just so very strange. I blame the parents. And I'm going to tell you the most shocking look that we got of these parents was the sequence when Diane Lane is scrapbooking with bubbles on his first day of school. I'm like, this is an unsafe house for a child.

Something has happened here. That is weird. Like, I didn't like how fanciful that was. I didn't, I didn't know. I think that she wanted not, you know, she wanted to keep him there and she had some weird stuff. She's playing robot with him. Like, I felt like they took away her best friend because her husband wasn't actually

there for her. And I wanted to examine that. I think that was absolutely in there is how much she did not want to let him go, you know, yeah. She didn't want to let him go. She wanted to keep him home, all that stuff. Again, barely examined, you know. Do you think, and the movie is two hours long.

It was like everybody. It just felt like the same scene jumbled up and set someplace else. You know, it felt so similar every time. Oh, I mean, the other thing I want to just pull out from a parent's point of view, and again, just to point out that these people involved with this movie had no idea of how children work. The sleepover scene, I don't know, June, if you had any problems with this, a kid comes over to, can he sleep over right now? out and she's like okay and then rob williams just runs out of the house and is gone for his

sleepover i'm like she knew where he was even going i didn't have a bag didn't have so strange about what's going on in this town even it's i found a very odd that no one at school just asks him like hey why why did the body of an adult yeah like just some basic questions wouldn't everybody in the town know i would think so no parent seems to know like oh he's there's a kid who's started school and and guess what? Like he's, he looks like an adult. Towns talk. These townies would be talking all about that hairy man

hanging out with their kids. We saw no parents protesting it. It should have been like that Norman Rockwell painting. Yeah, if it was like the legend of Billy Jean, a movie that we all just really loved recently. Me and maybe more than you two. The movie would

strip out so many of the adults' point of view. Like this movie would be more successful if you really were following Jack and his kid friends. Like, for example, I can't remember his buddies. Louis, John John. Who's friend Dresher's son? Louis.

Louis. So Louis is like to Jack, hey, you got to pretend to be the principal to my mom so that I don't get in trouble. Okay, that then happens. But we never see the repercussions of that. Like, there are none, Jason. The movie, that's what I mean. The movie should be all about like this house of cards that these kids are building because they technically have an adult in their presence.

Yes, that's the fun. That's the milk money movie. Exactly. And that's just not present at all because the movie can't decide. Is this a movie that adults are meant to be going like, or is this a movie where kids are like, oh, yeah, if my teacher was J-Lo, I would want to be a gynecologist as well. Oh, when that kid said that, when that kid said,

I want to be a gynaecologist because of you. I was like, first of it. I know Paul talked about. his parents' point of view, but this is mine. I, and I find this in a lot of movies at this, this, uh, time where the way that they write young boys, a 10 year old boys, so fucking disgusting. Yeah, because it's like 40 year old men. It's so gross.

When they said, they're looking at that penthouse and he goes, do you think our moms look like this? What is happening? No one is saying that. Disgusting. Yes, adult men are. Adult men are. These are the thoughts.

of adult men. But I mean, it's also like being a gynecologist is such a, like, I don't think it's a sexual thing at all. It's like, oh, yeah, I get to look at women's vagina. Like, it's like, make a boob joke. Like, make it like a simple joke, but like it seems so much more aggressive. Like, it seems like you're going to torture these women by being a gynecologist. Here's the thing about the one question I had about J-Load. Now, I thought it was a lovely performance.

Everyone is great in this movie. Yes. Well, but. Yes, but when she is asked out on a date by Robin Williams to go to the dance, I did. There was something about that was heartbreaking. I agree, Jason. Although every sort of moment they went for with heart just made me literally have to like close my eyes and hold myself. Yeah.

But she does seem to be really struggling to give him that answer. Did anyone else notice that? Yes. Why is she conflicted on any level? I think that she what she's trying to do, and here's the thing, I also don't think that J-Lo's a good teacher, but I'm going to get back to that in a moment. I think she understands here is a very sick boy who is looking at her as someone that he can actually dance with, and he doesn't even understand, like, oh, her size to him, he knows she's an adult, but in a weird way, he can be attracted to her because he is that big. I think there's a few things at play, and I think she's trying to let him down easy. but the way it reads is that she's considering it. No, I agree. I agree.

Because I felt like the movie was trying to thread the needle unsuccessfully of, I'm sure every year a little boy has a crush on her and asks her to the dance and she lets him down. But he hits her with, it would look weird if I went with a little girl. It would only look normal if I went with you. And she doesn't know what to do with you. She's stuck. She sees the logic in his. what he's saying. So this is a new version of an old problem.

Well, okay. I agree. It does look like she's tempted. Red real. It does like. It's like, like, it's like, like, I mean, look, I don't know how you play that moment. And I thought this was going to be, I thought she was or Fran Drescher, it turns out as Fran Drescher, we're going to be like the Elizabeth Perkins in big analog. You know what I mean? Like, yeah, that he's going to somehow find his way into having, um, awkward, uh, sexual scenarios, you know, but, um, um, But yeah, anyway. Well, can I ask this question?

It came off real, real strange. If we are talking about awkward sexual scenarios, here's my question for both of you. Was Michael McKeon trying to fuck him? I don't think so. No, I think he was trying to fuck Frang Drescher, wasn't he? Michael McKeon, I thought in that bar is like, I'm like, I know he's talking about not being able to get it up with a woman. Oh, yeah. Right.

But I felt an energy from him like, maybe. Maybe he's gay, too. Like, I don't know. Like, there was something. Wait, two. Who else is? Oh, I mean, like, maybe his other problem, like, he couldn't get it up. And, and at the same time, like, it made on his only problem.

Oh, yeah. I thought you're including Jack in that. No, no, no. Whoa, Jack's gay. But I do think that there was something in the way that he kind of approached, the way the shirt was tucked in a little bit too tight and it was a little bit too small. Tupe? Like, I don't know that he was.

This also reeked to me of middle-aged men. writing this script of just like, I don't know, man, my dick doesn't work anymore and all my hair fell out. Everybody is just, and nobody is talking like people talk. They're talking like characters talk. Everybody's talking in exposition, just telling you their innermost thoughts. Everybody in the movie is telling you their innermost thoughts except the stars of the movie. They remain enigmas.

We have no idea how. And by the way, Paul, you said. Oh, J-Lo's looking at him and thinking he's a very sick boy. I don't, I didn't know he was a very sick boy. How about when he fell down the stairs and started having a heart attack? Then it turns out he's a very sick boy. But before that, all I know is he's got some sort of a thing that's made him very, very large and very matured, very early. But I'm not looking at, I wasn't until then thinking like, oh, he's going to die in seven years.

But like, but that's the kind of, and again, that's the movie's failing because where, where, like, where it really hits is moments like, what do I want to be when I grow up? Dot, dot, dot, dot. Alive. I was like, fuck. That's the, that's, this movie has a clock on it, which is his mortality, that it will not engage with. Like, the movie should be about what, what, yes, what fleeting time we have as evidenced by this magical realism kind of story we're telling to show you the totality of life told in such a

brief moment, but then allow us to see that. But it barely acknowledges it so doesn't want to be about his impending death. Can I ask a question, Jason? That's what you're where you're talking about is what I think Bill Cosby is getting at during his speech where he sort of lets him go as a student. Finally, June getting behind Bill Cosby. Go ahead. Yeah. But actually, When he says, you know, I just want to be normal, he said, you can't be normal, you're not normal, you're extraordinary, and you're a shooting star and this and that. If I'm going to be so for real right now, aside from this thing that's happened to him, he doesn't seem that extraordinary to me. That's exactly right. He doesn't offer anything but his size.

I don't think he's a shooting star. No, he doesn't offer anything but his size. He doesn't come into the class. He doesn't have a funny liar. He doesn't offer anything. Wait a minute. So the only way that Jack has value in both of your minds is if he is also extraordinary at something else. Every child is extraordinary.

But that's what I didn't agree with Bill Cosby when he said. But like he's a shooting star like every one of those kids is a shooting star. Give me something. All I know about this kid is he likes. everybody's extraordinary. He likes red gummy bears. That's the only thing. That's more or less extraordinary than any other child's there.

I mean, the only other thing is that he is Robin Williams. Right, right. And by the way, it's a Robin Williams movie that takes away all of Robin Williams' powers. Because we first meet him and he's like, attention, attention. He's doing all the voices. Now, here's the world that I pitch, right? A boy who has grown fast like this. Well, no, my pitch is this.

The only thing he had is his imagination. And in 1996, what he does is he comes into the world and opens up these other boys like life by embracing their creative energy and all this other stuff. But he doesn't bring anything to the table. I'd like to add to that. What this story should have been about is these boys should have been going through puberty. these boys should have been going through their own kind of body horror, right? And he, as an adult, fully beyond that, already did it, should be able to offer them some lessons about, like, mind over body,

about enjoying the moment, about, like, enjoying your body. He should have shaved one of the kids the first time. Yes. By this movie's calculations, he's been shaving for a lot. long time. Right, but why, instead of giving them the penthouse, why wasn't he saying to them, guys, you got a couple years left to be kids? Well, he isn't, he hasn't had the knowledge, baby. He doesn't have the knowledge. But that's, yeah, the movie isn't interrogating that. I know. Nor is it interested really in how he is helping his parents relate to him as a child.

Because there is also something fascinatingly bizarre going on for Diane Lane and what's his name? Her husband. Her husband, who I can't remember that actor's name. But they are raising now a 10-year-old who is older than they are, or appears rather older than they are. And that is also something that would, I think, be very interesting and very strange. Let's see them go out to dinner and assume that's her husband. Exactly. Let's see it all.

Wait, that's a creepier scenario. That's a, it is. That my mom did that to me one time. Wait a minute. We were checking into a hotel and she was like, isn't it funny? You could pretend to be my husband. I was like, no, I don't want to do that at all. It didn't come from the person mistaking it.

It came from your mom? Yeah, because I think that she thought, like the hotel clerk said, oh, is that your wife? And I said, no. And she didn't correct them? No. Oh, no. It's a really messed up, really messed up moment. Why was he wearing an oxygen mask at one point?

Because this is bad heart. Just to signify that it's getting worse. Right, because it's like he. That just aging is getting worse? Because at that point, only days had gone by. So I'm like, well, he's still only 40. Yeah. He's 40 years old with a bad heart.

And by the way, we're really being generous with the 40 there, I think. Yes, we all are. Yes, we are. Here's what would have been funny. him telling his parents, like, you got to watch your cholesterol or like, but he doesn't have any of that knowledge. Well, he should because he is living in that body. I would have loved for the events of the movie to have necessitated a perhaps earlier than

necessary birds and the bees talk. Oh, that's fun. Wouldn't that, wouldn't, having a grown looking man as a son, wouldn't you have to give him a talk maybe at nine or ten versus, you know, a little older or something. Everything about it is creepy, though. Everything that we're describing is creepy because he doesn't go like, that's a 10-year-old, that's a 10-year-old. And yes, he's got this body.

And that's why, like, when Fran Drescher makes out with him, it's like, oh, I don't, there's no fun here. A tongue back in your mouth, sweetie. I agree. It doesn't work at all. And, like, the movie can't figure it out. The movie can't establish its tone or what its rules are. It's not a comedy.

And, no, it's. It's a horror. It's body horror. Oh, heavens, no. And without that release, without that valve of comedy moments, jokes to alleviate or lubricate some of the discomfort, the movie just sits in awkwardness and strangeness over and over. Yeah. Here, my biggest, my biggest concern was during the final credit sequence. When they show each character we've come to know and not love and then put the actor's name.

Put the actor's name under it. Okay, so we're seeing Louis, we're seeing John John. We're seeing Diane Lane credited as simply mom. And then we're seeing the dad. But then we see then it's time for Jack. Well, they put up the baby photo of him and say Jack, Robin Williams. The infant photo. Which is not Robin Williams.

Like, technically that's not Robin Williams as a baby. So you think this is something that the union should get in? I mean, I'm just saying that like, is how Fran got involved with? Is this what activated France politics? Union politics? All I know is that one time they spelled Rob Pheopal's name the wrong way in the credits and he got a lot of money from Paramount.

Yes. So I just feel like you can't put up another. Rob Hubble. And you can't put up another character and say that, well, whatever. But I didn't even know. but I guess it's like, I just wanted to understand what are we saying with this? Yeah. This is the moment we're all walking away with these not beloved characters, but we're now focused on the baby?

Yeah. And I think that really gets at what I feel like the studio's entire interest in the movie is, what if Robin Williams was a 10-year-old? Well, that's it. That was good enough for them. What if Adam Sandler went back to elementary school? What if Jim Carrey couldn't lie? It's a tricky thing because it's not fun.

It's just not fun. And it's not fun to see a man be a child. It's just not fun. I don't know. It's like it's fun. Without a goal. Right. Without any, all he wants to.

And again, you know, like there were moments that genuinely got me. I did cry in this movie a couple of times. A couple of times. A couple of times. Yes, a couple of times. It got me when he said, what do I want to be when I grow up alive. It got me when he said,

when they take school away from him and he's saying, I want to go to school, don't make me be alone. Oh, well, Jason, now I'm realizing, is this kind of hitting on some of the egg allergy things from your childhood? It definitely gave me. I definitely felt, I felt seen by the overwhelmingly protective parents, fearful of their fragile boy.

And your parents used to read the Financial Times, like the Wall Street Journal like that, in a very comical way. Very big, big old-timey newspaper way. I don't know why. And I felt this way watching Mrs. Doubtfire, too, with the kids, which was an absolute, like, flop of a viewing. Oh, wow. It was not what you remember, Jason.

Let me tell you that much. Because the movie wasn't? The movie's not what you remember. Oh, oh, okay. I thought it was funnier than it was. And my son turned to me at one point and goes, is this supposed to be funny? Yeah. I was like, yeah.

Yeah. I feel like it's another one of those sweet family movies. Right, you know. I don't really, yeah, I have to say, like, when Robin Williams goes sweet, sweet, sweet, sweet, I can't handle it. No, it's real treacley. I want to run into traffic. It just doesn't sit with me. No, it's not, it gives me the ick, I believe.

Yeah, I think that's what the kids say. I believe. And I had an easier time, honestly, with Cosby being sweet. It just, I feel so uncomfortable. reason in your movie. Cosby is honestly a voice of reason in this film. He's like, you got to get him out there.

You got to do this stuff. He's a little bit harsh with that. We got to let Cosby back. Yeah. Why does Cosby go to that tree house? Why? Why is he there? Especially if we learn as we do later that he works for the school

administration. I think that what he is trying to do is check in on him. He wants to make sure that he's socializing. Check in, walk out. Right. He does not need to stay there. And by the way, this is.

need to eat that whatever that was. Why does he want to be part of the kid crew? I understand. I understand why Jack does. Jack's a kid. No, that. Well, he says it later on. He sort of says like, you know, this is why I like to work with children so I don't get

mired down on all the adult stuff. Weird. And that's what I feel like the movie's about. Oh, he's like, it's like, it's middle age men who are like, I don't want to grow up. I want to play still. When he talks about his farts, I was like, no, man, get out of here. I don't want to hear about adult man farts. I want to hear about kids talking about their farts.

But when you were saying, I've been known to clear a room. I'm like, okay, come on. And then, you know, but here, he got a little taste of his own medicine, though, right? He's been making people drink a bunch of stuff with things in it. So finally, these kids give him a little something. Okay, I will say. When that treehouse fell down, now we have several, there's several, like, establishing shots of that treehouse. it's high up.

Oh, and it has like multiple floors. Yes, they are all R-I-D. They are all either dead or impaled seriously, like never recovering from that accident. Yeah, they did. For sure. Like, for real, like, at least one of them they should have to visit in the hospital repeatedly.

I do want to say that, June, I know you're talking about your biggest jump scare of Bill coming up through that hole. My biggest jump scare is Robin Williams with a beard. When he, when they cut him with a full beard. That actually made the movie hit in a different way, and I felt even more of, like this movie, every time I thought, you can't freak me out more, they did.

Well, it felt like in those scenes, I was like, well, are they going to do a move now where he becomes even more of an adult, where he's like, you know what, fine, people think I'm an adult, I'm going to grow a beard, and I'm going to act like an adult. No, he just hides in his room, which was fine, and I understood the why of that. But I was really like, oh, this is only showing me more that he's a grown man. So do something with it. Don't just have him grow a beard and, like, sit in his room. You just gave me a good idea for another version of this movie.

What if he ran away from home? Yeah. And which he does do to a little bit. But he really, like, and I think that that moment. That's kind of big. Right. And I think that there, I guess that's the moment that you're trying to get to where he goes outside that club. By the way, I feel so much for that one extra who had to be pure.

Puking in the rain outside of that club. Oh, when he's walking into that club, there's just a guy outside just vomiting into the street. I saw it. And I was like, like, I guess it's setting the tone of this club that looks very normal. Like, he didn't go into like a biker bar. And I just was like, oh, that guy must have been out there just blowing chunks in the rain. It's like so uncomfortable, terrible thing. But that moment, I really wanted him to embrace.

trying to be an adult. And he doesn't even try. He's just a kid when he goes in there. And he's always like, what is that? Beer? I don't know what beer is. He's, he's not just a kid. He's so sheltered and so without any guard, you know, or any governor on anything he does. He's like a true, it's, it has more in common almost with Rain Man as a two-linder. You know what I mean? He seems so out of his depth and element that he's not a he's meant to be 10 obviously which is young but he feels even younger you know because he's so brand new to the world that's what i'm saying yeah just and that and that's what's so kind of distressing about it all is that there seems to be two different stories one is just like the boy in the bubble who comes out into the world for the first time you know he's been sheltered by his parents but

The other is this kid who is mentally 10 years old in this big, big old body. But it's like the story we get is the kid is 10 years old and this big old body who seems like he's four. Yes. I agree. That's weird. And what I can't tell is he performing that because that's the kid persona that Robin Williams enjoys playing. Or is that because they're trying to tell a story and dialing? I don't know, Jason.

And that's what they're doing a terrible job of. It's all broad strokes. So it feels like I don't understand what I'm supposed to be getting. Cut this movie up into five chapters, right? Oh, wow. Send like the, send like I'm like, wait, right now. Hold on. Cut it up to five chapters.

But I mean, when it be. At Siri open final draft. Get myself some cap cut. Here we go. I do believe that like it would be really interesting to do a sequence in kindergarten, a sequence in high school, a sequence in college. Right. And then I do think that you would play like the very end of his life and he just is able to drink,

but he looks like he's dying. He's like, you know, he's 21, but he's actually 80, you know, 82. Yeah. Also, make us understand that only 20 years have passed, but he now looks fundamentally different. You know what I mean? Like really drill into us from baby. to truly elderly man. I feel like Benjamin Button,

obviously, in reverse, did this very effectively. Sure. Obviously, a movie that is interested in very different storytelling, but nonetheless... How so, Jason.

Nonetheless, brings us through all these stages. Like, get us through... Like, let us see movement between his grades, between his ages, because right now it feels like the entire movie is locked in at this, like,

I'm an innocent boy. I don't know. I don't like it, Trace. I didn't like it from Robin Williams. I don't like it from you. I hate it. I got a remake, Jack. Let's get the remake going.

I do believe that, like, it's because they left it in such a middle ground, I think it would have been interesting to see parts of this boy's life. Now, I agree. You know, there are things that are constantly surprising. I did think, and I'll admit this, I didn't cry, but I did think Pedro Pascal was in the movie, only to realize that that was Father Guido Sarducci, Donnevello, who was the bartender.

But I was like, whoa, Pedro Pascale? That's cool. And then I was like, oh, no, no. That was the one comedic moment that I thought was successful. Yes, 100%. When they were doing their faces back and forth. That's what we needed more of. More of that.

Came in the adult world and not knowing all of the sort of rituals and adults sort of, they don't have to be sexual, just adult kind of moments that we all subscribed to that he hasn't learned yet. Well, right. And that's why I think the relationship with Fran Drescher is so misguided because I think in Big, what she likes about him is that he is just innocent and fun. And it's not like, it's not like every other man that she's been around. Well, he doesn't play games. He's truthful.

He's honest. He's, you know. Right. And then what I think in this movie, like he's on farts, do do, poopy. And she's like, oh. Oh, wow. Hello, Mr. Penel. My name is Dolores, but my friends call me Tidi.

So tell me what happened to Principal McGee? I just talked to him on the phone. I don't know what happened to Mr. McGee. Mr. Powell? He got diarrhea. Diarrhea? Yeah, he got diarrhea. And he spewed.

He threw up. Yeah, he had the squirts. He had diarrhea. Listen, you know, if you want to have lunch or something, we can talk about Louis and, you know, just kind of shoot the breeze. What do you think? Got a problem?

It's bad for you. Since when it's being bad, bad. Oh, no. Oh, here she goes. Fran Drescher has to shut off her brain to even find any connection with this guy. Because he's not saying, to June's point, anything special, anything spectacular, anything interesting. He is not a shooting star. I agree.

And the reality is, you know, the reality is. is that the movie misses not a shooting star. Hashtag not a shooting star. Oh, my God. The movie is not interested in it. The movie has a gift that is sitting right there, which is Jack is a fish out of water in both the adult and the kid world. And you could play that for jokes, you know,

like he doesn't belong in either place. Now, that's very sad and heartbreaking to investigate, and that's what I think they're trying to do. But there are moments of levity that they, barely scratched the surface of that would be so great. Him trying to pretend to be an adult in the adult world and him trying to be a kid

but the dissonance of him being this grown adult man. The problem with this movie is it's too sad. It's too sad ultimately. And I know that this is and I was going to save this to the end and we have a couple second opinions to get to is that Francis Ford Coppola

grew up with polio and he wanted to make something to reflect the loneliness that he felt with polio. And I get that idea, but that is not how you can deliver this. We need to root for something. I don't root for Jack. I don't feel triumphant that Jack, because really the end, to June's point, he's not special. So the real triumphant ending is that he just has lived to graduate high school.

And he won't live. Well, yeah. He did good in school. Here's the thing. Nerd. What a fucking nerd. He's not special in the same way. that no one is special and everyone's extraordinary.

Okay, but I think what he, I think what the movie wants us to feel at the end is also that he, he like changed people's lives in this short time he had on earth. But I don't know if I really felt that either. I don't know. Had that kid been a bully to begin with,

I might have felt differently. I mean, I guess he did call him a freak outside the house before he knew. but we weren't with their journey enough to really feel like, oh, thank God. They had this experience of having their, like, hearts expand and building empathy. And what it felt like was that that little crew of boys who begin by being like, oh, freak, and there's a freak that lives in that house or whatever, blah, blah, blah. And then they get to know them.

Then they recruit him on the basketball team. And then they do the whole run of, like, conjecture. come out and play can Jack come out and play and I thought that was very sweet um I did I did listen some of this worked on me just as a lonely kid who also uh who wouldn't uh wasn't allowed to leave the house all the time but um there's element but um but there's but he really only wins over that group of friends right in a typical movie would be his friends then the movie would investigate whether or not he can win over the whole school. And so to your point, June, like, he really only has his little crew of friends, which is

fine, but, like, give us a greater story to track for his, this is a, you're telling me, this is a high school coming of age story for Jack. You know, what is he? He's from 10 to 18 or 10 to 17. Like, this is a John Hughes movie. This is any of these coming of age movies. but Jack isn't coming of age at all. No.

You know what I mean? No. It's not interested in any of those mile markers of getting older or any of that stuff. It really just is I don't want to grow up. My hot take, he should have been dead at the end. I agree. They should have had a little. A gravestone or a little picture of him and put a little graduation cap on a gravestone.

They would have walked by it and they would have said, you know, he taught us so much about growing up. And then you could, but the minute he gets up there, because it does, I think the thing that the movie really fails to navigate, and what we're all talking about is this idea that he's not learned. He's not really taking anything. He's just aging rapidly. But that's not changing his perspective until the end, which we've cut to seven years. So we miss all that perspective change. And that to me is like, well, that's the movie. And that's why you should cut up the five chapters.

And I'm in right now, I'm in Cap Cut. and I'm going to get this going. I'm going to do some previs. And it's really, I love, it's really cool that you're bringing chapters back to movies. Oh, yeah. It's not just for books anymore. No, I mean, I'm doing it like weapons. I'm doing it like PTA.

Yeah, because movies are getting longer. So it's nice that you're breaking them up. Oh, yeah. Oh, I'm going to release them this chapter. You think I'm releasing it. I was going to put, I was going to put some title cards in between it. Oh, yeah, I'm going to release it like Stephen King released the Green Mile. Just a little, little books.

Here we go, everybody. Obviously, we had an opinion about this movie, but there are people out there with a different opinion. It is now time for second opinions. Paul and Jason and June talk a lot about what makes a movie good or not. But everyone knows they're actually full of sheep. We need a second opinion. We need a second opinion. Give me a second.

We need a second opinion. Thank you for that amazing theme song. Here's the thing. Yeah, there's a lot of reviews. 4,887 total reviews. Now, this movie, just so you know, tested so well that they took it out of a fall slot. It was going to open in September, and they put it in the middle of summer. People thought this was going to be a...

This movie tested? I have a lot of theories about testing. I will always say... This is an era where garbage like this would test well simply because of all the people. Zookeeper, the Kevin James movie, tested. at a hundred percent. I think that there's a trick in these movies. Hey, listen, I was at that test. I stand by it. I do think that there's a trick in all these movies where if you end on a high note, there's something beautiful about that last scene that, in a way, if you cry, you rate the

movie high. So I don't think that people are taking in the sum total of its parts. That's the only way I can say. That this convinced Disney to move this movie into summer competition where it flop. This is not a summer movie. It's not. But 87% are five. five-star reviews. Renée Rastall says, now just bear with me because the language here is tricky. She writes, kid is a big monster, but figures out he's just a normal person until he goes to school. He is just seven years old, but he looked like 20-year-old. It is quite funny. He go into one of the kids' treehouse and has fun with them, but his friend, which is a grown-up, the treehouse fall down, and he sings and everyone says, why is everyone falling on me? When he graduates, he's old man,

and he looks like he's about 70, you will find it a very funny movie. Five stars. You know, I think that says it all. I think in order to find this movie funny, you have to be a non-native English speaker, I think. I mean, all, yes, I mean, this is what I think it is. Because I think that's the cues that the movie is giving you.

Yes. You know, is funny Robin Williams movie, but it's anything but. Right. If you watch it silently, you might think, oh, maybe this is funny. I mean, honestly, as I'm looking, Looking through this, I don't find any really great fun reviews because they all are like, this is an amazing heartfelt movie that all kids should see.

It shows how thankful we can be to have a life and it's a gift. There's moderate swearing. And there is use of a middle finger and several uses of other items. Kids make other kids do things they don't want to do. There is rude humor and dirty magazines and one kid buys a dirty magazine for others. And that is from Shan, Mike, and Kylie five stars good. It's like, yeah, this is like Catholic. review central and the final one that I I hate to read to you Jason but I will from letterbox

from Audrey she wrote this in 2025 I should have foreseen that a season of mental instability was brewing when I loudly wept through about one third of Francis Ford Copeless Jack. Oh no. I got to call my therapist. You know, June not to jet, but just Jason and I, I mean, I guess they were. resounding opinion would be, this is not even worth watching for fun. It's not. It's a slop. It's a saccharine slag. It's too long. It's a, yes, exactly you're right. It's treakily. It's not fun. There's no propulsive engine that's guiding you through it. It's two hours and it feels like two

hours. And I was wondering about this. And I know that if we go back through our catalog, you could listen to, uh, what was that? The Odd Life of Timothy Green. A movie that is similar, right? But I know that you like that more than June and I, but like, but all I will say is that works at least better conceptually. Well, it has a more, okay, so I think that this movie, I wonder if this movie would have been markedly different if magic was the engine rather than medicine or sign, you know, if he didn't have a disease that was, that I was trying to crack and figure out throughout if he instead was magic. Right. And so I could free myself from trying to make sense of it. You know what I mean? Make it about a latchkey kid who's like, I'm always home alone. I feel like an adult. And then he becomes an adult. And then, you know, or like, I think. The Paul Shear's story. Oh, I love that, man. But I do think that, like, that's what it was missing. It was. And I think that that's the reason why the scenes aren't fun and the sequences aren't fun because there's no. It's like, if he was friends with these kids, then if he becomes an adult, then it's like, oh my gosh, our good friend now can do all the things that we wanted to do. You know, and...

Yeah, and there's something about Big in Big, and I know it's not fair to keep comparing it to Big because they are trying to do different things, but Big isn't about his mortality. Right. And the movie that we just watched is entirely about his mortality. You know, it is about... It's about him his inevitable impending death, you know,

because he's aging so rapidly. that the whole movie is there. The parents are so scared. They're so nervous. They're so tentative. All of these things because they're afraid he's going to like die sooner than he will, which is very soon, you know? By the way, you know, you said it's different than big,

which I agree with you. It is different than big, but Tom Hanks was the first choice for this role because Francis Ford Coppah saw him in big. Why would you even want to have that association? Can you imagine? I mean, nuts. That's so funny. It's like, why would you do that?

Anyway, so, yes, a resounding... I don't recommend. We don't recommend it. However, we do recommend that you head on over to the How Did This Get Made Store. We have some amazing new designs. I don't even think this one design unless we just wanted to make one shirt. No, let's give another design to some other movie that we... Let's not...

Yeah, let's punish movies that don't warrant that we don't have. There's nothing that has happened in the movie or in our discussion that I would. want memorial. The only thing I would love is just I have Jack syndrome and we do it in the lettering of Jack the movie so adults could wear a Jackson. Or it's just a picture of Jack and it says not a shooting star. Not special. Is that what June says that what June calls it? We'll see if we'll do that. But you can head on over to our brand new merch store. Go to HDTGM. June and I are shooting these live multi-cam shows here in Los Angeles in the month of October. If you go to How Did This Get Made website, you can write us.

and get tickets. It's out here in Los Angeles. It would be fun. Jason, anything that you want to promote. You know, I don't have anything really to promote that's mine necessarily, but I would love to plug a couple of things that I have nothing to do with, but I think are fantastic. Taskmaster's season 22 has just started. Richard Aowadi is in the, is in the cast, and it is incredible already.

Richard Season 4, come on, forget about it. I have not watched it yet, and I've heard that. They've flipped the script on Reacher, and I'm excited to see how they've done it. I'm going to tell you this. It is absolutely hilarious. But not as hilarious. Does he become a child? No, I wish.

He doesn't become jacked or he becomes reverse jacked? I wish Alan Richson could become jacked. I did see Motor City, which is the Alan Richston movie where there's absolutely no dialogue. It's just a top to bottom revenge thriller that is so violent and so fun. and there's, I'm going to say, sub-15 lines of dialogue total in the whole movie. It's great. But the funniest movie I've seen this year that is going to be hard to be is John Early's phenomenal movie Maddie's Secret. Oh, I want to see this.

Absolutely mind-blowingly funny, and I cannot recommend it enough. Everybody needs to see Maddie's secret. It is fantastic. I love this. Now, by the way, if you want to talk to us more about Jack, give a correction or a mission, from this episode, you can leave us a voicemail. We have a voicemail that works perfectly at speakpipe.com slash httgm

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