How Did This Get Made? - Jade (Classic)

Episode Date: March 31, 2026

David Caruso, Linda Fiorentino, and Chazz Palminteri star in the 1995 erotic thriller Jade. Paul, June, and Jason entered the F*ck House and discuss the pubic hair lockets, terrible car chases, double gingers, sex pillows, and so much more. (Ep. #260 Originally Released 02/25/2021) • Go to hdtgm.com for tour dates, merch, FAQs, and more• Have a Last Looks correction or omission? Call 619-PAULASK to leave us a voicemail!• Submit your Last Looks theme song to us here• Join the HDTGM conversation on Discord: discord.gg/hdtgm• Buy merch at howdidthisgetmade.dashery.com/• Order Paul’s book about his childhood: Joyful Recollections of Trauma• Shop our new hat collection at podswag.com• Paul’s Discord: discord.gg/paulscheer• Paul’s YouTube page: youtube.com/paulscheer• Follow Paul on Letterboxd: letterboxd.com/paulscheer• Subscribe to Enter The Dark Web w/ Paul & Rob Huebel: youtube.com/@enterthedarkweb• Listen to Unspooled with Paul & Amy Nicholson: unspooledpodcast.com• Listen to The Deep Dive with June & Jessica St. Clair: thedeepdiveacademy.com/podcast• Instagram: @hdtgm, @paulscheer, & @junediane• Twitter: @hdtgm, @paulscheer, & msjunediane  • Jason is not on social media• Episode transcripts available at how-did-this-get-made.simplecast.com/episodesGet access to all the podcasts you love, music channels and radio shows with the SiriusXM App! Get 3 months free using the link: siriusxm.com/hdtgm Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Welcome to the fuckhouse. We saw Jade, so you know what that means. Now it's time for how did this get made? We're going to have a good time, celebrate some failure, not just be a hater because you know you wonder, how did this campaign? Let's follow in the mediocrity of subpar art. Perhaps we'll find the answer to the question, how did this get made? Hello, people of earth and welcome to how did this get made.

I am tall John Shear. I hope that intro gives Jason and June enough confidence in me that we're ready to handle this virtual live record. This is a great movie that we're going to talk about. And normally I will break down the film in my clever little way of telling you what it's about. But I'm going to do something I've never done before and let an Amazon reviewer break down the film for you. This is from Giusellino Liberado. Di Aquino, and it was from April 30th, 2001, and he describes the film like this. It's a nice movie. If you like basic instinct or bound, eyes wide shut, which are better, you might like this one.

I love it. Basically, the plot is there are millionaires taking part in orgies and having sex like most of us would like but are afraid of. and then there's someone blackmailing them and a mysterious, dishy lady called Jade, who is not afraid of exploring sex, who may or not be involved in the murder-slash-blackmail cases. There's great car chases, one of the best, that I've ever seen in the story is very interesting. But I warn you, if you get easily shocked or offended, you will hate it. But if you're like me and you love to watch movies for fun, you'll like it a lot. It's also still a lot better than any porn movie because those bore you after five minutes and this one will not.

It's not a porno. Five-star review. And that is the, that gives you a taste of what Jade is. I feel like that. That is one of the best breakdowns of the film. Let's get into talking about it right away with, what am I called? Mr. Jason Manzoukas, how are you, Jason? Wow, starting with second opinions is bold.

Total format shift. I mean, this is some wild stuff. This was, watching, this, because I, you know, I remember when this movie came out. This was like a, you know, this was that era of erotic thrillers. Yes. This was, again, Joe Astorhaus, who wrote Basic Instinct. You've got William Friedkin directing. Like the, it, it came from like good auspices. And then even this is, is this the movie that David Caruso leaves NYPD Blue to, is it this movie? Yes, it is this movie and another movie called Kiss of Death, two movies back.

back in one year. I want to break in all that because David Cruz. There's so much that I, because I barely remembered this movie until I put it on and I was like, I remember all of this movie. Wow. And I was like this and watching it,

it felt like I in my head had told more of a story of what I thought this movie was than the movie does. I feel like this movie is, I feel like they shot the outline. Like, I don't feel like they wrote a full script.

I feel like they shot the treatment of the movie. It's so just broad strokes. We will get into it. I don't even want to delay. And I want to bring in my other co-host, a person who said to me 15 minutes into this movie, this is my favorite movie ever. Please welcome Ms. June, Diane, Raphael. How are you, June?

I'm doing well. How are you, Paul? I'm doing fine. Thank you for asking. I did love this movie and I loved every second of it. And, you know, Paul and I were talking a little bit about this, Jason. Like, this is to me, this is that movie that my parents got at the, at Blockbuster where Paul worked. And like I sat, I was excited to see.

Not the one where Paul actually worked. Not the one where Paul actually worked. Because that would be a huge reveal. No, we didn't meet there. If you guys were patrons. Yeah, exactly. But, you know, I just, as soon as it started. I was like, God, I'm having a muscle memory of sitting with my parents and watching like these adult

dramas and thrillers. Oh, yeah. That were focused on like wealthy people and sex and power and like having to sit through sex scenes with them and just like all of it was so familiar. And I don't think I've ever seen this movie, but I've also seen this movie many times. Yes. It's like exactly. There's so many movies.

There's another movie with like Kim Basinger and Richard Gear that takes place like, It's always like a psychologist who's getting mixed up. We talked about a couple of these. I was just going to say it's always about like how it's very similar to Madonna and Willem Defoe as well. That's right. Body of evidence. It's always a woman whose sexual empowerment comes also with being like a doctor or a

psychiatrist or something else, but that also has this kind of incredibly potent and power. I forget what Sharon Stone's profession is in basic instinct. But all of these Esther House movies, Sliver is another one. Oh, yeah, we got to do that. They're all bananas, and they are all exactly what you're saying, June, like the incredibly wealthy, the machinations of the incredibly wealthy sexually and then complete disregard for life.

And I'm interested. Eyes wide shut was a thing about, like, I feel like. I feel like Kubrick took this to a level in Eyes Wide Shut that showed like the true underbelly of it. Yes. Without romanticizing it in a way. Right. This makes murder sexy, right? Yes.

It is like part of the thing. And the way this movie ends is so bananas. I want to work towards it. But I will say like I took note of one thing that really made me laugh. Like, you know, remember Jersey Shore it was like Jim Tan laundry. Like here it was GCR, GALA church rack. And I felt like those three scenes back to back to back was like, what, okay, this is such a movie for, uh, for middle age parents or adults in the 90s. It's like, you're going to church.

You're getting dressed in the tucks. You're going to play racquet. Like it just hit every little thing that was like, yes, I want to be doing that. It's also aspirational. It's all, it's all aspirational in the sense of like everybody. There's also like it it also establishes what all of these movies do which is an incredibly enormous scope

but incredibly small number of overlapping people. So like this is a movie that takes place in the halls of justice, lawyers, judges, etc. The police department, the governor's office. All of these

The museum. All of these wild, the district attorney's office. I thought David Caruso was a cop for most of it. And then I was like, wait, no, he's the DA. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, what? Yes. Wait, David Caruso, I thought he wants me the DA. He's a cop.

He is a district attorney. I know he's not. Wait, he passed a bar exam at some point. He is a lawyer. Remember Chas Palmetari is like, when you're ready to hang it up, come and be a partner. at my law firm. I did hear a lot of talk of like the next election and all that. But I guess I didn't believe it.

Well, that's what I wrote in my notes. I was like, wait a minute. Is Caruso's cop a lawyer? And then I was like, oh, no, he's not a cop. But they're conflating. What they do is, what Esther House does is he takes all the players from all these disparate elements and he just is always putting them in the same room. So they all know each other.

They're all friends. It's bonkers that David Caruso in the, this film whether he's, I mean, as he's a DA, he runs, he runs investigations like a straight-up cop, which by the way, he's in multiple car chases. Do lawyers show up at crime scenes? No. Okay. I mean, he flashed a badge.

When he went into that first murder scene, he pulled out his wallet and goes like, here's that. And he goes, I'm not here. I mean, makes sense because he's like, I'm open to being wrong. But let me, hold on. Jason. You're right. Like, I mean, I believe that you're right.

Because Donna Murphy. Don't Murphy. The plot, Wikipedia. San Francisco assistant district attorney David Carelli, Caruso, is called to the murder scene, blah, blah, blah. So, yes, he is... He's trying to be the DA,

and that's what the governor, Richard Crenna, who is great in this role. By the way, he is with this team... This movie is... Chomp, chomp, everybody's chewing the scene in this movie. I mean, the MVP to me, and I'm really a... I think I know his name,

is Ken Kank. King who plays Pedy Vesco, who is the older, like the Wilford Brimley cop. We have the Ted Lassow cop who is Michael, Michael Bean, who is great. Michael Bean. I love Michael Bean. And we have Ken, we have Ken, uh, or whatever than Ken King, who is just a joy to watch. Like he does not fit the mold of the. He looks like he's in a Chicago.

He's like a Chicago cop. You know, he looks, you know, he looks, you know, he, everybody's great. And I cannot stress enough. that my profound attraction at the time to Linda Fiorentino. Oh, come on. You can't even get. From the last seduction to this, she was, she is so good. She's so sexy and so compelling as the femme fatal.

Or in this case, what you perceive to be the femme fatale. Yeah, not the femme fatale turns out. No, no, but is also crushing it in this movie. Well, listen, I watched this movie with Paul who felt similarly to the point where I was like, I was having the same flashbacks of watching these sex scenes with my parents watching them with him because it was, it was like, actually, I was like uncomfortable. And then at one point, he fell asleep and he was, he fell asleep and then he woke up. And he's like, there's not enough sex in this movie.

And I was like, didn't, did you just see that sex scene where like she's literally, yeah, someone's go, a person we've never seen before is going down on her and she's standing up. Yeah. It was crazy. I'm like, did you not just see that? And he was like, oh, I fell asleep. He was so mad. I have an update, guys.

I have an update. I just opened that Wikipedia to read that line to you. And I noticed there is a director's cut of this movie that is NC17. Oh, boy. Yes. So why didn't we watch that cut? Well, it's unavailable. That cut is unavailable because it actually did worse than the regular DVD cut.

So there is a time, and I remember this again, and we have talked about this in previous Laserdisc conversation. where there was a big market for like NC17 cuts like the getaway with Kim Basinger and Alec Baldwin like you almost you saw Pian Henry and June Henry like you people were like but they were taking our movies and making them hotter like or you know sexier and it was on on VHS and this is a movie where I guess from what I read it was really the the sex tape is where there's 10 minutes of more sex footage and people also say it has an alternate end and people also say that it makes the plot make sense.

All these things. Oh. All these things are up in the air because I want to just maybe start off with the thing that's the most disturbing to me about all of this, which is one of the small details that gets lost in the sea of shit. This movie was produced by Robert Evans. Oh, yeah. So Robert Evans, a famous Hollywood producer, Godfather, you know, but I believe The Exorcist, too. Maybe I'm wrong. But a prolific paramount producer.

The kid stays in the picture is his autobiography and the documentary about him. Like if you have not seen it, the kid stays in the picture of the documentary. Get involved because he is like a key figure in 1970s filmmaking. And so one of the rumors I knew about Robert Evans, and I've heard many, was that my friend was working on a script with Robert Evans. and he had a bureau, and on top of the bureau were little lockets filled with women's pubic hair. And when this movie delivers that as one of the first plot points of the film, I was like, oh, my, like, there's Robert Evans going, you know what will be interesting. Hang on, Paul, do you not have one of those?

That made me sick. That honestly made me feel The fact that they were all on just a side table They were out. I might have to be. They were out for display. It's not like a secret drawer. It's not on anything.

It's just they're out at a side table next to like a radio. They're just sitting there and there was so much of it. So much. There was so much of it. So many different colors. And there was like it also could. I mean, I know it was a different time. but there was a volume in each of those silver boxes,

because they're not lockets, Paul, they're boxes. And they're little like pillboxes. They're little pig, exactly, pillboxes or snuffboxes or something like that. They're each engraved and they are chock full of pubs. They are like, it's like, it's like you open it. And they've been conditioned and they're fluffy. It's like the snakes in a can joke in that you open it and pubes explain. I was going to say it's like opening up.

I genuinely feel sick. I genuinely feel sick. It was like opening up. I'm not kidding. All right. All I want to say that. I seriously feel sick. I don't want to make June vomit.

So I just want to say one thing and say this. Why was that introduced when it played no part in the film at all? Like all they needed to do is DNA test or like it didn't play a part. I mean, I guess it only plays a part to say that perversion or kink. I don't want to perversion. Yeah. So this movie, I can't stress enough. I don't know if you guys remember this.

How much this movie was represented in its promotion and its reception as like too sexy. Right. Like two. It was the movie that people were like, now this has gone too far. The basic instincts, the kind of sexual erotic thrillers. They were like, this is because it was all of this kinky sex. like kinky sex like guys going down on women. Ooh la la,

can you imagine? Or how about when that one woman just goes up to Chaz Palminteri and just whips out his dick and just starts going to town? By the way, that's the same woman. So many movies of this time. Like a guy in a suit.

Like I'm still having to like unlearn some things because that's all that's what I watched with my parents over and over. Oh, June. I'm sorry. Oh yeah. You were like Pavlovian condition. That was my first.

experience of like what a woman's sexuality was was seeing multiple women in movies like this just give blow jobs like immediately immediately how sex works is if a man is in pleaded pants and it's in a nice suit crotch to eye level like you must you have no choice you must start sucking his dick immediately nothing else can happen but that yeah i mean it's crazy that scene is in every movie of this time it really is it it is a but that is a but that is all of those scenes are just like, these men are so powerful or wealthy or whatever that they don't even have to engage in flirting,

pleasantries, foreplay, anything. It is just transactional. They are just, they just get to, that's exactly what the Amazon review kind of said, that it's just, it just happens for them.

The kind of sex we all dream about, the kind of sex you don't have to work for, you know? No, listen, this, now I'm genuinely recovering from that Pube discussion because I will say. No, I don't. I will say, I also have a strong stomach. Like, I'm not somebody who feels, I don't have a weak stomach. I can just press play right now and you can hear them.

No, that made me feel sick. But when company is over, do you think he puts those little, little boxes away? No. Are those like a conversation? Are those like a conversation? Like, do you feel like if he Marie condoed his apartment, his house, like everything else would go, but the boxes would say because they bring joy? No, listen, this, what I was going to say to move off of this pew conversation is this movie has something I've never seen. There's a lot that I, again, I both had never seen this movie before and I've seen this movie many times.

But there was something that was brand new and I think has never happened in any movie ever that's ever been made in the history of cinema. and that is two red-headed people in a scene together. Oh, yeah. You're talking about the double ginger. I have never, it was so shocking to see two. Yeah, that's called a double ginger. And it's considered, this is, you know, for a long time, people thought that you couldn't do it

because people wouldn't watch it and this movie proved them right. Well, I mean, normally you're just going to do a man-woman scene or a man-man scene. Oh, boy. But is ginger ginger scene? A ginger ginger scene is, by the way, his hair is so ginger. And I've forgotten about it. Oh, these two are full-blown ginge. And I want to say this about ginger representation.

Like, I actually left this movie thinking like, wow, gingers are underrepresented in film and TV. I agree. Because I was so stunned to see it that it made me, you know, it made me really think about how there. there's not a lot of ginger's out there. I agree, and I'm not making fun of gingers. It was just an intense thing. And I think what makes it more intense is the way that they dress David Caruso,

which was green on green on green. Green. Like, green. They're constantly green turtleneck. Why was he, what? Why was his suit three shades of green? Like green shirt, green tie, green suit? It was as if he said to when he went in

for his wardrobe fitting, he was like, my actor's secret is that I, I'm a leprechaun. But I just, I just want to hint at that. No one, no one, no one fully looks comfortable in their clothes. I know that it's the 90s and whatever, but Chowse Palmetry, I would be like, has he ever worn a soup? It didn't look like, they didn't feel like the clothes, like it felt like the clothes were

rebelling against the people, except for Linda Furentino and Angie have heart. They look fantastic. You cannot cast Chas Palmentary in a movie. and have anybody believe he's not the bad guy? Well, I mean, Paul did not think he was the bad guy and I called it pretty early on. What? Oh, come on. No, that's important.

It is the minute in the minute you make that casting decision, you're like, obviously, that's the villain. But you know what I felt like he was doing? I felt like because he just did the Bronx tale, which this movie comes up the same year he's nominated for that. I felt like he's like, I'm changing it up. I am now a high class lawyer. I'm smooth. Um, so fifth, like, because he, he had the energy.

I'm working with Friedkin. Like, I mean, like, you cannot underestimate at this point. William Friedkin is, you know, still riding out. I mean, not riding high, exactly, but he is still one of the, you know, well-regarded directors of his time. You wouldn't, you wouldn't know it from, this is the man who, who did the car chase in the French connection that is widely regarded as that and bullet, are the, which he didn't do, but are like the car chase,

the er car chases of the modern era. The car chases in this movie are terrible. They're terrible. The cars are launching at such a rate that it felt like someone is rocket launching them. Like they're flying over the hill. The Chinatown sequence was a comedy. It was hilarious.

I was so much. So much disregard for human life in the car chase. So many more people died during the car chase. then died because of the sex scandal. Oh, absolutely. That car chase. But why would you ever drive into a full on parade and keep on drive? It seemed as if David Cruz, if he got out of his car, he would make more headway than he did.

And the car chase, it shot so weird that the Pov, sometimes is the hood of the car. And you saw it like break a vase and like knock over like a Buddha statue. It was like, what the fuck am I watched? Didn't we do another movie? where Andy Garcia's a lawyer who's also representing his ex-girlfriend or is trying to go against his ex. Didn't we do another one of the... He would have been great in that part. By the way, put Andy Garcia in either of these parts, by the way.

I would have taken Andy Garcia in either role, frankly. I recently rewatched The Godfather 3, and he is actually very, very good in it. Wait, did you watch the new cut? The new cut, and it's actually very... it is for a flawed movie it's a better version of the flawed movie

I actually think it's more enjoyable okay he left NYPD Blue like Jason alluded to to do this film and he did two films back to back

and coming off the hot hot you know NYPD Blue you can't underestimate how enormous NYPD Blue was as a launching pad

and the fact that he then very cockily was like, see you later, turkeys. And then just crashed and burned. Next thing, you know, CSI, Miami. By the way, do you know that Freakid wanted

Warren Beatty to be David Crowley, which actually, to me, would lend a level of gravitas to it in a way. Like, I feel like that's kind of like the Wilm de Fo, like I feel like in a weird way, David Caruso looked a little bit too, young to your own the only person who is correctly cast

in this movie is Linda Fior of the main cast is Linda Fior and Tano. Wait, but hold on. And the governor The governor. Oh, but then the rest of the I'm saying of the main. I thought Donna Murphy was fantastic. Sure, and I thought Michael Bean was great. So we're just saying of the three. There was great, great people.

I'm simply just saying of the trio of the main cast. Linda Fiornton, David Caruso and Chaz Pellon Terry I think are miscast. Yes. I totally agree. I mean, why did ultimately. So, okay, first of all, let's talk about Linda's character for a second. Why is, is she, her, her scholarship and area of like academics seems to be that she's studying violence in the workplace? She's studying exactly what her husband is suffering from? Because, but she says at that

lobby conference that she does, that she's... In a place that's, like, used for an airport in L.A. Like, that place is, I feel like I've shot in that place. I thought she was introduced as somebody who studies violence in the workplace. I was also like, is violence in the workplace a thing? Rage and violence.

Yeah. Everywhere? No, no, no, for sure. You're absolutely right. And she talks about it as if it is like... It's happening here and everywhere. An epidemic. As if you would give us a corporation like a sexual harassment.

seminar or safety in the workplace seminar. She's giving one about people who the frequent occurrence of people flying into blind rages. And everyone is in a suit. So this is a high profile. Like this is like a high level company. And she's getting a private jet to go there. So I didn't know if that was her own private jet or the company sent a private.

Well, that's a good question. But then also she seems to be a, an art curator. Sameingly. Yes. Now is that just like, oh, I have this job, but I'm also on the board. She's on the board of the museum. Okay. And that's why she's talking to the guy that was murdered.

But that seems to me to be her like. Are you like, are you bringing in collections? Well, it seemed to be that she was responsible for like curating like all the fertility masks and like specific pieces. Oh my God. Wait, we have to talk about the opening of this. Oh, yeah. I have so many issues with the lead character who we never meet.

And I want to just call out somebody that no one's going to give any credit to, which is the person who did Photoshop in this film. It is the best Photoshop. Jason and I talked about this. It's terrible in Wonder Woman. Here, the Photoshop looks, it looks like he is with Reagan. It looks like he is with Nixon. Great Photoshop. Even with the David Caruso Photoshop later on, it's not bad. And for a movie that came out so long ago, not bad at all. So you're going through this house. And it's, I think, pretty atrociously appointed. It very, you know, it has a very Asian theme to it. It's like a general Asia, right?

I feel like that there's like, there's a lot of these cabinets. It's things that like my mom would get in our house. We had a lot of these same cabinets that were like Asia influence, but I don't, you know, but you got them at like pure one. And you're going up the stairs and you're hearing like this muffled talking. And then the music.

If you have closed captioning on, you can hear what it says what's being said. Oh, what were they saying? Anything worthwhile? It's all like. general like, what are you doing here? Get out of here. You know, it's those kind of exclamation.

It's not, it doesn't give you pertinent information or anything. So as you're hearing that muffled thing, the music crescendos so high like, on this, on this fertility mask, which plays no part in the entire film, nor does it crescendo with the scene. It just keeps on going on. I'm like, what is happening here? Like, who chose a musical choice? Like, you get that crescendo when you seem dead.

Yeah, they do a thing in this movie, which is to create a sense of, like, things are weird here by incorporating a ton of, like, the art collection of this man, who is the murder victim, that is the catalyst for the movie. His art collection is, like, rare artifacts and masks from all over the world. So he's, like, appropriating all of these, like, tribal masks. And so the walls are decorated with these. I can just feel like I can see Freed can be like, I want masks everywhere. I want it to feel like everybody's watching because that's what this movie's about

is people watching people fuck and die. And those are the eyes and the masks are watching. They know what's going on, you know. But to its point, the masks never play a role. Like I was thinking, okay, we're going to see a sex scene with those masks on. They're like, oh, who's behind me? it. We don't know. That's just what you wanted. You invented that. By the way, June asked a question

that I fell asleep for, but then I rewatch it last night after she went to bed. And I was like, why was Linda Furentino wearing the stocking over her face? Is that a- I wrote that down too. Okay. Yeah, I don't understand. Is that a sexual thing? Is that like- When I asked you, you immediately said, because it's sexy. No, I was joking because I woke up at a anxiety. I didn't see. I thought she was breaking into a house and had it. I thought she was breaking into a house and has stocking on her. I felt like on the day they were like, I don't know, what if you put some panty hose over your face? Like it felt like maybe this is something people do it during sex. Yeah, it was like, I don't understand. It was like we want to show something very sexy, but we don't, we can't show a lot of the things.

Oh my God. I loved the, um, I loved the crime scene walk through where all the sex toys and everything are out. And our favorite policeman is like, get a load of this. This is this, the inflatable sex. It looks like an inflatable neck pillow. And he's, and he's reading the description. There's so many instructions on that. There's so many instructions that he's reading off of the pillow itself. A, number one, I mean, I'm not touching that pillow.

Oh, he's got it. It's fully inflated. Also, it has just been inflated, which must mean it was just used. So why is he handling it so casually? And why is it? Why is the bottle? on the pillow. I mean, it's literally,

it's an advertisement for the pillow on the box. Deep-seated massage oil. And over here we have a harmony pillow. This pillow allows deeper penetration by positioning both partners most advantageously. It raises the female hips facilitating male entry. You can inflate the pillow

to varying degrees of hardness or softness while enjoying the thrill of rotary and floating action. it's not in the box. He's reading it directly off of the pillow itself. I know, I'm saying, but he is reading what you would put on the box. Oh, yeah. It's like printed on the box.

And I do feel like for that kind of stuff, you want it, like if someone walks in, you want it to look like it could just be a part of your decor. It also is like, and I wonder if you June in your. It was pretty small. Yeah. The version of you watching it with your parents and so forth. Like that guy when they first entered, room, he grabs like a little bottle and he says like, blah, blah, blah,

scented massage oil as if like, as if that's the most insane thing you could consider. Oh, I mean. It's like lube or massage oil being used during sex is like perversion. Guys, they literally are in a room full of vainy dildos and they look at this pillow that is, and I know I'm saying pillow wrong. That's my own thing. Don't worry about it. I don't need critiques.

It's hard for me, too. I have to think about that word. Pillow. Pillow. He's holding a state. Wait, wait. What are you guys? I say,

I say pillow. I say pillow. I say pillow. You say pillow. You say from Long Island. That's why. Okay. I didn't notice it.

I say, I say, I say worry wrong. What do you say? Say it again, Jay. I don't know. Worry. I'm worried about it. Yeah, you say that wrong. Yeah.

But I also say hot dog. Oh, that. First of all, don't ever. And popcorn. Okay. I'm so sad. Those are amazing. Which are also apparently wrong.

All right. So again, just to get back to this scene, because there's so much unpack in this, in this house, this, this pillow, pillow is so small. And it seems so like honestly, not even that sexual. It's like, oh, so I guess you could put that underneath your back. Like, there's a really funny. No, Paul, you put it. What? You don't put it back.

Wait on. Lay on top. Oh, wait, hold on. Hold on, hold on. Hold on, hold on. You don't want. You don't bring it on an airplane. It's not a, you don't bring it on an airplane.

It's not a neck pillow. No, no, no, no. What I'm saying is it, no way. I don't want to be misconstrued. I'm saying that you could, you can use it in many different ways. Like, you could put it underneath your hips so your hips are higher so you could have a different entry point.

You could put it. No, you put it. He describes it, babe. He reads the instruction. I'm just saying, but yes, okay, okay, we're saying the same thing. But I also think that you could, I think you could also be laying on your back and put it underneath your, the small of your back and launch your back. Because I think it has multiple purposes. So you think it's a V that goes up.

No, it was multiple folds. Oh my God. There was a great bit in a burn after reading about like the. sex pillows that like George Clooney has. It's like these big sex blocks. Like that that's the sex, that's the fuck machine. No,

no, that was like, didn't he have like those big, it almost looked like to me you would see the gymnastics like place. It's like big cubes and stuff like that. He, he builds that,

he builds that thing that you can sit on and that, and when you ride it, oh, right. Yeah. The dildo comes out the middle. So you, it's a fuck machine. Okay,

well, all right. So anyway, I just thought like, I guess, is my understanding of it. No, I think what you're right about Paul.

I think it is I thought the width of it was very small like it looks like it looks for a smaller frame It looked I'll be honest It looked like a travel pillow

You know it looked like An inflatable travel pillow It wasn't like I guess what I'm saying It wasn't like Ooh what are they doing It's like oh yeah It's just so she can get fucked

But here's my thing Like I mean Here's my My thing is Here's Call me crazy But if you need to Raise someone's pelvis up

use a pillow. Right. Like a pillow that's on the bed. But you don't want to get that stuff on your You don't want to get that junk on your pillow. It's cheap looking. The inflatable sex pillow is cheap looking. I think you're right about that.

I think if you were to create something and listen, I don't know where our merch is at if we want to get in the fuck pillow game. Get in it. Holy shit. Holy shit. Tea public. Tpublic.

Dot slash HDGM slash fuck pillow. That's it. We're putting a. I do think it could be I think it could be great if it were more, if it had more like weight to it. Like it looks like it was like a

temperate. Somebody if it was like a temperedic material. So that you felt like it could really take a lot of punishing but give you support. I'm drawing a picture of this for you now because I believe that I believe that if okay hold on. We got to see if T. Public or who we have to go outside of T.

To manufacture. How did this get made branded fuck pillows. We'll do it. We just need to figure out what the design is. I don't know if you can see this. It may not, it may not show up. You see this?

Yes. Okay. This is a T-shirt. This is a T-shirt. Send this to whoever immediately. Okay. This is the T-shirt. I'm confused, though.

Which is the pillow? The pillow and the leg. The mistake you made, Paul. Wait, Paul. Stop. Keep that so it can be the T-shirt. Don't all.

alter that drawing. I can get it back. I can get it back. Oh my God. But that like that just gives you a little bit more of a. Because wait a minute. Wait a second. Wait a second.

What is what is the? Paul is drawn a stick figure couple having sex. What, which way is the prone person facing? So this is missionary. This is missionary. Yes, is missionary, but the hips are higher. It's like, oh, the hips, the hips don't high.

But why are the legs going straight out? Like the point of the, that pillow is for it to lift your hips up. Up. It's, yeah. The hips are up because if she was down, her butt would be on the bed. But why are her legs flying straight out? Her legs seem to be, they need to be held aloft. Yeah, well, he's holding her legs.

He's holding her legs right there. Why? It looks like her legs need, like, stirrups. Is this an OBGYN appointment? Is she getting a pap smear? What's happening? I just think that if you put the cube as a triangle underneath the small of your back, you're lifting up. Here's what I'll say. I agree with you, Paul. I think the pillow can be used. Thank you. Either underneath you face down, if you're the woman face down or face up. It's it really is just to lift.

your hips, your pelvic area higher. I think that's it on either side. But your drawing needs to be a T-shirt. I cannot. This might be the first, how did this get made a T-shirt I buy? Holy shit. The first stick drawing you drew was next level.

Okay, I will just do that. Holy shit. I can recreate it very simply. Oh, my God. They didn't even have a head. The guy didn't even have a head. Okay. Holy shit.

Here's the thing. Here's the thing. If we're going to make this fuck pillow up, And we need, I think it needs to be, because the one in the movie had like, didn't it have like a hollow center? Well, yeah, the one in the movie, yes. And it also had, like, it also had a hinge.

Yeah. It also, which was strange. That's the thing that George Cooney hasn't burned after reading. Okay. This, because this needs to be a solid, like, a dense material. It's got to be temperapeutic, I think. It's got, we got to talk to our memory phone. Memory, oh, this is what we can do.

We can partner. I'm sure as a podcast, we have partnerships with one of these dumb memory foam companies. By the way, I'm just showing you, I'm,

by the way, I'm showing you guys. Put us in touch. I'm showing you the sex pillow that was in burn after reading. Yeah, that's, that's it.

It looks like also the same type of thing they, yeah, that's what I'm talking about. That's just like a wedge. That looks like a workout wedge. Yeah, that's what I was saying. That's what I remember it as being like a wedge. But now Google,

I mean, if there are, this sex pillow from this movie. Jade. I love that your Google search was George Clooney's sex pillow. Well, like, no, don't do Jade or I guess. Just Jade's sex pillows. This is it.

This is it. This one looks about right. This one looks about like, I mean, look, Jade is not good. We have advanced in technology, but that's about the width. How about Jade movie sex pillow? Okay, Jade movie sex pillow. Because it looked like an inflatable. Oh, I have the clip.

I have the clip I can play right here. I mean, we all remember what it looked like. It looked inflatable. It looked like it had one of those little plastic nizzie blow up. Yeah. It looks like an inflatable like Ames chair or something like that. Like a small version of it. Yeah.

Oh, my God. By the way, do not Google Jade Movie Sex Pillow. Yeah, it really is opening up a lot. Unless you want some very intense results. I will say this, that in a house where there is so much stuff going on, the fact they point out massage oil, a pretty enough. innocuous pillow and then a California pizza or Wolfgang Puck pizza? That made me laugh so hard.

Oh, we got to play. We got to play David Crusoe just when he realizes what he's in and when he sees the pizza. Crystal, Baluga, Wolfgang Puck. It's a fuckhouse. It's not just a fuckhouse. He's got a nice little camera over here. And there's another one up here, low light. High density.

Next door neighbor says he saw a lot of women come over here. Hey, did you check out these jamming jellies and clitorifics? I was thinking about you. Honey, if I were you, I'd rip off a few of those butt plugs. They're designed for the perfect asshole. I mean, that, that, when he, his realization, well, it's also like, this is a movie that really is, it's trying to give you access to, like, the mega wealthy.

Right. Right. And the mega wealthy are so wealthy that when they go to have their effects, affairs, they have a fuck house on the coast that in the bedroom, you know how opulent they are? In the bedroom is a mini fridge, question mark,

full of champagne, caviar, and Wolfgang Puck frozen pizzas. Because that is like the height. You would have to go to the kitchen. Like, it's not you can't just like caviar. I get it. But like, like, you'd have to like, like, oh, I keep the sex

pizzas in here. Darling, can I get you some champagne? Perhaps I can go heat up a pizza? I was like, what? Because that's always the thing Maybe some chocolates, maybe some... Sometimes you do need snacks after, you know.

Hey, I have no problem with snacks. We saw it in that movie with Kevin, with Alec Baldwin, where they're like nakedly eating like Doritos after sex was so bizarre that addicted to love movie. I think if you're going to a fuckhouse, then you're exerting a lot of energy and a lot of calories. And you might need to sustain yourself.

So I actually, appreciated that there was a pizza there. I agree 100%. I just think the pizza could have been in the freezer of the kitchen fridge, not in the bedroom. You got to bring, unless they're saying, yeah, unless they're an oven in the kitchen,

my problem is like the caviar, the champagne, these are bedroom things. If there was chocolate dip, strawberries, or the things that connotes like sex or whatever, but this is to me like darling, some champagne, perhaps some caviar, if you want, I have a

Wolfgang Peppers and sausage pizza that I can go. By the way, can we just talk about the purve next door? The purve next door. I felt badly for that guy. He both, he wasn't pervy enough that it was comfortable for me. Like,

I would have rather like a full perv next door. No, he was like a suburban, but instead it was like a kindly gentleman who was also clearly a purve. And I was like, oh, this is, this is actually too real. But by the way, we all are that person,

I would imagine, like if you lived on the coast and, and there was, like a lot of weird activity going on at night. You'd probably take out, you know, you'd probably take out some binoculars. Like, oh, what's going on? But I guess he went one extra step because he could identify the faces of everyone. Yeah.

Yeah, he was pretty dialed into what was going on. That guy, you know, he's like, since I retired, this is pretty much all I do. But remember, this is an era when we didn't have Netflix or streaming services. It's a really good point. One of the only things to watch, you, one of the only things to watch at night was your neighbors. Like I watched, and when in my old New York apartment, the apartment building across the street was a bevy of personal dramas. Oh, wow, that's so fun.

I've never had that. Oh, my God. My question, I have a real question for you guys. Okay. So why was Linda Fiorentino's character, who is a doctor, who is engaged in philanthropic elements, is on the board at the museum, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. Why is she involved in this sexual...

I'm not asking why does she have sex with all of these men. I have an actually real answer for this. But why is she being used by the dead man almost as if she works for him? Well, I have an answer. She seems to be a sex worker the same way that Angie Everhart seems to be. But they don't seem to be in equal statuses at all.

And I didn't understand that. So here's the issue. Hester House writes this script and they offer it to Linda Furentino, who's coming off Last Seduction, and she's like, I don't want to play a sex worker in this film. And Friedkin goes, don't worry, I'll rewrite it for you. And changes a couple of pieces. Now, apparently, according to Michael Bean, he said that the script made, no sense at any point.

Like he's like, at the table read, he was like, I'm the villain. You know, so I guess Freakin just kind of came in and changed it all. But when I realized that, I was like, oh, it makes so much more sense. It's written that she is also a sex worker. Yeah, because that made sense, that would make sense because what I couldn't figure, if it was just she led this secret double life, fine. But why is she doing the bidding of the dead man? It's like Chas Palmetry is a guy who gets too attached to her.

and then he starts to, or, you know, or some version of that. Like there is some, it just, it, and that's why her profession is bizarre and it's shoe-worned in. Because the dead man, right? The dead man, the reason he's filming all this stuff is so that he has blackmail material on all the most powerful men. Right. And she is the most sought after of the women that the powerful men want to have sex with. So she features prominently in all this. But, but even, but Jesus' question.

isn't answered though because even if not her but her appetite she has no idea this is she if we were to believe her which I actually do she doesn't know she's being filmed I think she just thinks she enjoys the sex well that's I think what I think that's what her movie

I think that's what she says at least I think what this movie does unsuccessfully is just say like oh so she cheated on her husband once and she's like ooh I had such a boring sex with my husband that now I would like to find more exciting things. So I guess she says to the art dealer like, hey, do you have any friends that maybe I could also? I don't think that's the case. Fuck that guy. The old guy, she did.

She did. That's what I'm saying. And that's where I get confused with Jade because I'm like, I understand why she's not satisfied with Chaz. And I get that. Oh, by the way, that sex is so upsetting. That was upsetting. He is hard without any foreplay. And she cries during it. And he only, also is making sounds of a cry. Like he's like, he's like making, he's like making McGruber level sex sounds.

But, like, uh, eh, eh, eh, I mean, here is Angie Everhart talking about why she is special.

I'd go to the Pacifica house and a guy would come in and we'd spend the night. They wouldn't know who I was and I didn't know them. You know, a couple of those creeps, they didn't even want me. They wanted this other girl that they'd fuck Before they called her Jade.

One of those guys was the governor. Jade must have rocked his world. Because he wanted me to bend over and turn around. But I don't take it that way. He told me that Jade, she took it anyway. She couldn't get enough of it. She loved it. I saw her once leaving Kyle's house.

She had long, beautiful hair and great legs. I think it was her. I never met her. I'd like to, though. I meant to women mostly. But again, Jason, to your point, it doesn't really... Right, like, why would she fuck that old guy then? If that's what she wants...

But why wasn't she bringing this into her married life? Well, I think that was a lost cause, babe. She also used to date Caruso. Right. And they have a pseudo-sex scene that is aborted. because he kind of rejects her because he says you killed this guy. But Chas tells Caruso, and there's so many weird things here because Caruso loves Linda Furentino. And Chas Palmitari knows that.

And he's like, well, maybe I'll get a divorce. And they have this weird joccing for like, you want to fuck my wife? And he's like, and they know it. And it's weird. But she told him. So Linda Fulmentary told Chas Pomeranty, she left Caruso because he's a bad lover, then went to Chas... Wait, what?

When did that happen? That's in the locker room of the racquetball scene. He goes, you know, you know why she left you? She said, you're a bad lover. And he goes, why would you tell you that? And he's like, she tells me everything.

Hang on. Paul, yeah. That is a statement of the villain. I think, I don't necessarily, I don't think you should trust. I think you should assume

everything Chas Palmetary is saying is meant to further his villainous. He's trying to, he's trying to, make David Caruso think Linda Fiorentino did it. Okay, so he's seating it early on. Okay. But now, Chas Palman Terry seems to have an act of sex life with these other women.

Like the other woman seems incredibly drawn to him. So I don't understand. Also, I believe that blonde, the blonde who blows him on the terrace. Yeah. I believe works in Caruso's office. No, she works for Chas. She's his secretary. Oh, really? It's not the same woman who comes up to him in the police station in the district attorney's office and says,

Angie Everhart will meet you at this restaurant at Blank and Blank o'clock? No, because when David Caruso goes to Caj, she lets him in. Oh, okay. I didn't clock that. Okay. I thought she was part of the other thing. No, that would be a really small world. This relationship is... That's one of the reasons I kept thinking. Like, it's like it's as if there's only 12 people in this entire structure of... of, you know, the courts, the police, the governor, everybody has access to everybody. The fact that he's an assistant DA traveling with cops and then interrogating her in all these weird basements.

I mean, they have more offices in this movie. The cops go to a different office everything. They're in the basement. They're in a shooting gallery. They're in like a file office. Like, they are setting up shops at everything. Do you remember when Angie Everhart's character is in the witness interrogation room and there is a window in the room, not a glass, not a mirror, two-way mirror, a window.

On the other side of the window is the firing range for the police department. So like those two rooms are just next to each other. You can watch people practice shooting before they go in and do an interrogation. I was confounded by that. Did they rough her up before she came in? Well, no, she fell down those stairs. I know she fell down the stairs. They're down the stairs.

I know she fell down the stairs, but she seems the way she plays that and is touching her bruises and everything, it seems like something else happened in between the time that we saw her last. But here's my question about her. Why does she, why does Chas kill her?

Why? Because she could identify. Or did he? Or was that the governor? Oh. Well, I think the governor sent his people out to get, Wait a second. Yeah.

I think the people, I think the people that killed Angie are Michael Bean. Yes. And that's his minions. The guy. Because they're breaking into the house. They're breaking into the house at the end for the governor. It has happened to, again,

this group of seven people that travel around together. They, like, they're doing their own thing that's un... Because basically, Chas Palmetari is only killing... Only is killing people that they're involved with Jade. Like, he doesn't care.

like he does what's his so how many people have has he killed chas two three oh two two he's and the perv no he killed the old man in the purve no no yes exactly the old man the old the old the art dealer who is who is by the way like a Halloween horror nights Halloween horror nights like that was crucified on the wall like I was like this is the weird like and they go it's a crime of passion it's not a crime of passion And that is an intentional. Look, you crucified a man on the wall. That was, that visual was why. That was a very upsetting.

This is, you know, would take a tremendous amount of time and effort. That was like a seven, like the movie seven level death scene. By the way, I'm thinking of that, yeah, you'd need a Wolfgang Puck pizza right after. Oh, you'd need to crush, you need to crush a puck, as I like to say. And you maybe need to just pop up in one of those canisters and take a. a whip with some of that pubic hair. Just to get you back in. I will tell you this.

I was like this movie feels like it is written by like a horny, like, it's written by like a horny kid who only like understands the missionary positions and then is like, what if you could do all this? And I feel like everybody who go, like every parent who went home. Well, that's how I feel about all of. Yeah. That's how I felt about all of Bridgerton. I feel like all of Bridgerton was written by 11 year olds who'd only heard a little bit about

sex, but we're like, I think it's like this. And then they write it because all of the characters in Bridgetton are so ill-informed about sex for such horny people. It is nuts. Have I watched every episode? Yes, I have. It was surprised, like, after seeing those two genders in a scene together, like, I was surprised looking back at that pubes scene that there weren't any ginger pubs.

There must have been. Well, there weren't any that we saw. Maybe he didn't see any. I guess maybe he didn't sleep. Although when we see Angie Everhart on the autopsy table, she doesn't have cubes. So perhaps that's why, I mean, maybe, you know what, maybe we need to go back to the establishing shot of the side table. What's interesting about that, because I noticed that too, and the governor actually refers to her hairy pussy. I don't remember that.

June, I'm sorry. That's what he said. Clean it up, tune. That's what he said. Clean it, tune. All right. This is a fan of that. We're going to play that clip of the people here right now.

If you drag me into this business, David. If my name even shows up on the periphery of this, David, you better get the fuck out of the state of California because you'll have as much of the future here as Jerry Brown. Who's Jerry Brown? It wouldn't just be an awful goddamn shame. If one hairy little pussy and a thimble full of sperm would affect the future of this great state of ours.

Was Medford blackmailing you? I don't get blackmailed, Mr. Grelly. I do the fucking. I never get fucked. No, no, no, no. It was so upsetting that I remembered it. And then, and so then when we see her naked on the, on the examining table, I was like, oh, where are her pubs? And then I thought, well, maybe the autopsy procedure shaves them off?

No. No. I don't know. Like, I know, like, with vaginal birth delays. deliveries that I don't think they do it anymore, but I didn't used to shave women's. Do you think they do that to give to the family? Like instead of ashes, like instead of being cremated, you get a box. Here are her ashes and here are her pews.

Well, here's the thing. You have to pay for the urn and you have to pay for the silver box. I did hear that Angie Everhart did go method with this, but did not want to do a nude scene. So that is a body double. So if it was Angie Everhart, it would have been correct. The body double did not do the work that she did. Robert De Niro of gaining a lot of weight. I will say that I do love the governor.

Are you saying Angie Everhart gained a lot of weight for this role? I'm saying that she looks great. Like getting into, getting into character. I will say this. The governor does say some things where I'm like, like, he, I love Richard Crenna in this movie, like the one day that he shot on this movie to get the end Richard Crenna. But the, when he's interviewing David Caruso, the blocking this movie is so terrible. It's like so specific and weird and stilted like a Broadway show.

Um, and like, as if you don't have a camera. And when he gives this monologue to David Caruso, I don't fuck. I get fucked. I'm like, I was like, like, no, he's saying I don't get fucked. Oh, yeah, he goes, I never, I do the fucking. All right. So yeah, so whatever that clip is, I do the fucking, I don't get it. There is so much setup.

Yeah. Well, but I mean, but it is like, it is a weird thing because I felt like, is he flirting with David Caruso now, too? Like, no. Yeah, no, I felt that too. there was a certain energy of like, I thought in that moment, I hear what you're saying, Paul,

like he was saying he was going to fuck him. And I was like, oh, oh, okay. Even just to humiliate him, he would do that. Like, you know, like, oh, oh, I see. Like, yeah, yeah. Just to, just to humble him. Just to show him he could. Like, I have the power to do that.

Well, it is, it, this is another one of those movies from, like, the 80s and 90s in which people in power have a less. level of power that is so great, they can just assassin, they can just make people disappear constantly. Well, listen, I mean, I just watched the Jeffrey Epstein documentary on Netflix. There are still, I agree, Jason. I agree that, like, this was sort of a trope of the time where, like, the governor or senators could get, you know, there were no systems of checks and balances.

But do you think of Jeffrey Epstein and what happened there and why he's not serving time in a small box for the rest of his life for his crimes. Like, I do wonder about these men in power and what they're capable of. 100%. I agree with you 100% in that regard, but they're killing each other. You know what I mean? Like, they're like what I'm, like, I agree they can like make, their power allows for them to, uh, exert power over powerless people.

No, but I'm talking about how Jeffrey Epstein. was able to commit suicide in that prison. Oh, oh. Like that people will turn the other way. People will turn the other way. I'm sorry. I see what you're saying. Or it was a his job.

I don't believe he did. Right. You believe he was murdered. I do too. Some version of. Do you not believe that, Jen? No, I do believe that, actually. I think that that's very possible.

Well, here's, again, not to pull this away from Jeffrey Epstein, but I will say, I am confused. I don't understand the overall plot. I understand that there was a wealthy businessman blackmailing other people just to have to have it at his disposal, right? And he had a cabal of women and he paid Angie Everhart $10,000 for two sessions or whatever or for how many sessions that she did. Possibly there were more. Jade is working just because she's in a bad marriage, but it doesn't make sense because it seems like Jade is very sexual and her husband is very sexual because he's having affairs and it just feels like. But just because they both have sexual emboled. as Paul doesn't mean they're compatible.

Okay, that's a good. All right, well, that's okay, right, so there you. She, yeah, but I agree with you, Paul, in that I don't think she's participating in all of this sex to gain blackmail material. No, I agree with that. I think she is pursuing pleasure. Yes, but she also. That is what I believe she, I believe her when she says that is her intention.

But she's also, she didn't know that. She's so flirty with her husband at the, at the gala. She's like, oh, stay. Come on, stay. And he's like, I can't stay. Right, but she can't be jade with him. Okay, so that's really what it is. Yeah, that's that last line when he's like, why don't you show me a little jabe.

I want to play that clip now, too. The ending where Chad's Voluntary is like oddly reveals the whole end and gets away with it here. I'm trying to get these. Kyle Medford Sheldon to me the day before I killed him. You knew when you killed him. He was a scumbag. He would have taken us both down. I would never let anyone hurt you.

But I don't remember any of it. You know what I think it is? Hysterical blindness. Give me a favor, Trina. Next time we make love, you introduce me to Jade. And then the movie ends. That's crazy.

That's it. Credits. It is really, so, I mean, to answer your earlier question, Paul, I believe this movie has two concurrent villains, right? There is the Chas Palman Terry villain who is trying to, exact a certain revenge on his wife by killing all of the men who have fallen in love with her sexually. Okay.

Right. So he's jealous of them. All right. This is helping me. I believe so. Okay. Now, that happens to intersect with the initial murder happens to be this man who is using, as you said, Angie Everhart, Linda Fiorantino and perhaps other women to use them to have sex with men in this place where there are cameras. So he can get blackmail material.

So he is, he is, so then the governor. What does he want for with that blackmail material? What is he doing with that money? I don't, I don't think we ever know. Yeah,

maybe you could buy more fertility. I don't think we ever know because he's dead from the jump. But the villain is the governor. Yeah. The governor who once he sees those pictures, he realizes, I need everybody who might have seen any of this to go away.

Which is why they keep trying to kill Caruso. Then why isn't the man in the tape with Jade from the beach? house somebody that anyone knows. Because if the whole idea is that he's blackmailing famous men, wouldn't you go, oh my gosh, and that's the head of Blank, Blank. They're just more focused on her.

So you think it's maybe a Bubba the Love Sponge Hulk Hogan scenario? I just thought there were other guys she was bringing there to fuck that were maybe not a part of But it's that guy's house. I know, but it seems she knows she can go there. Okay, also, so maybe what you're saying is that guy goes, hey, you have all

the stuff in you. Here's the keys to my house. Use it at your leisure. And he's just maybe getting not even blackmail footage because that's not in the safe, although he did throw the tape in the fireplace, which makes me think that he does tape all the sex there, but then he's like, you know what, I don't care about this because that's just her getting the jolly's off. Wait a second. Wait, no, who threw the tape in the fire. The man who was killed like the Halloween horror nights in the beginning. See, I don't know that that's the case. Okay. It could be Chas Palman Terry who threw the tape in the fire. Yeah, that's what I thought. But he was. He was killed. Why would he be there?

Because he killed him. No, but he wouldn't kill him at the beach house. He killed him at the other house. Oh, so that tape was in the... They found the governor pictures in his safe. They found that tape in the ashes of the fireplace. My assumption would be that Chas Palmetari is trying to erase anything that connects Linda Fiorentino to this stuff.

See, I wonder if in the original script Linda Fiorentino used to be a sex worker for this guy and he's trying to erase that past for her to kind of clear her out. as like I want to be married to a reputable woman. And he maybe has more of an abusive relationship with her and a powerful relationship with her because of that because he's bringing her into society. He may have met her that way. But I mean, there's something missing, I guess is what I'm saying.

I agree there's something missing. We might just not be able to solve it because it might not be there. Because like I said, I kept writing like, wait, what has happened that this is now? Like, I felt like scenes were missing. Connections weren't being made. Like, this had many of the, like, like I said, very broad strokes of the police or this.

The lawyer now has this. But none of it was based on, like, gathering evidence, finding clues. Like, the guy, oh, my God. We do have the scene where the guy, the tech runs the tape and he's like, great, zoom, enhance. Yeah. You know, like, we do have one of those, which made me laugh. No, no, freeze it. freeze it magnified.

They also say the film is low density. Now I know a little bit about filmmaking. I've never heard about low density film. Yeah. I will say that it was wild. It doesn't make sense and it ends so abruptly that you're like, what did I just watch? Like it ends in a weird way. It's like, okay, so I guess Chaz got away with it.

And now she's going to be stuck in this relationship where she's got to pretend to be Jade or kill him. I mean, sequels ready to go. Yeah. What I couldn't figure out was like, it really. is it makes a fool of David Caruso. Yeah. Well, he'll never be a DA. Right?

Because he doesn't solve the case. No. Well, he does because I think that those minions go down for the whole thing. That's what I mean, though. So Chas Palman Terry gets away with murder. He doesn't, yeah, he thinks, this is crazy. Like who's the, who's the, who's, like, so what, to think about it, really, the, the, the, the, the, the, the movie ends and the villain has one. How often does that happen? Yeah. And you would buy it more of it was the femme fatal because I think

that that's more expected. But here it's like, it's like, psalm commentary. It's like, huh. No, that the absolute gross villain has won. His wife is now trapped with him. And David Caruso, I don't even know. We don't even land. We don't even end with David Caruso. No, it's bizarre. Very strange. But that's, I think that's part of not wanting to end on a ginger. And you know what? That might have been a good choice. I don't honestly, you guys, I don't think you can end a movie on a ginger. There you go.

That's the shirt. Obviously, we had opinions about this movie. People out there with a different opinion, it's not a time for second opinions. The movie was a piece of shit. This person recommends it. Tell me what is the message. Art is subjective. I need a second.

It's up in you. That was John Lujois. June, you want to say something about your comments about ginger's in this show? First of all, I'm not the only one. A lot of times I feel like I have to bear the brunt of a few things here. I'm not the only one to make comments about gingers, but I... Oh, I did too. Me too.

I just want to say that I think that there are so many stunning gingers out there. Like actually take my breath away, gingers. It was just a surprise. And it was a surprise to see a male ginger. It was all surprising. I have nothing to say bad about gingers as far as how they look and how beautiful they are. I only had to say it about their box office viability. That's really what I think that I'm trying to get to the body.

Is that what you call ginger vaginas, box office viability? Well, that's when I used that pillow to help get their. Ooh, I just heard it. Hello. You just said, oh, that was interesting. That's the first time I heard it. Okay, got it. These are five-star reviews, cold from Amazon.

72% of them are five-star reviews. And this is not one of those situations like in episodes past where this is bundled into a bunch of movies. This is one movie and they reviews are great. I'm going to just read you a few because they're all super fun. This is from Yurnall. Your Nall wrote this in 2015. Great movie, especially if you like San Francisco. A wonderful movie.

It has so many San Francisco street scenes for the lover of that city. Good plot. has enough car chases to satisfy the most hardcore car chase junkie. And pretty sexy, too. Five stars. This movie says, had enough car chases? Feels like there's like, I guess maybe two. But this guy really enjoys the San Francisco.

San Francisco doesn't really read to me in this film. But anyway, that's that. Well, there's a whole sequence where his brakes fail. Yeah, that's two. Yeah, there's two. You know, San Francisco. Well, yeah, the old way to kill people in San Francisco. I wanted somebody to go down that little mini street, that really hard street that's like very

with a sound man Jay in 2014 writes this, this is a smoking hot thriller. David Caruso is his usual good actor self with Linda Furentino being outstanding in her sexy, complex self as a psychiatrist. Very good thriller was twist and turns throughout. Lori Dobbs chimes in. in 2016 and writes, this movie is okay, but it's not the one I was looking for. Five stars. What were you looking for?

I have no idea. I wonder. And then this one from Lylis in 2020, March 2020, still getting the reviews in March 2020. I don't know what it is about this movie. It's sexy and naughty. I just love it. Five stars. And then I believe this is the final one I'll read here from Guar.

Wendellin, this is written in 2013. This is a good movie. It keeps you on your toes and in suspense, but the wild sex, man, these were some buck wild people. And I'm not mad at them. Five stars. This was wild. And just to answer to the person who said it had some good car chases in it, it does not. If you want to see incredible San Francisco car chase, rent the Peter Yates movie Bullet with Steve McCle.

Oh, yeah, of course. Unbelievable San Francisco set car chase. All right. This movie comes out in 1995. The budget is $50 million. Whoa. $50 million. Wait, so Paul, will you remind you?

So this is 1995. When was basic instinct? Well, this is after, this is kind of ripping basic instinct. That's what I'm wondering. And was it like right before? Was basic instinct like the two years earlier? I have a feeling that Robert Evans saw that. Is this the next one?

Yeah, so basic instinct comes out in 92. So about three years later. But I think it's in that zone, you know, of. Oh, for sure. So the budget is 50 million. The total gross, $9.8 million. The top three movies in 1995 are Batman Forever, Apollo 13, and Toy Story. This movie came in at 122nd out of all the movies made.

1995, beaten by films that we've done on this show. Congo, disclosure. Oh, disclosure, of course, virtuosity, Johnny Mamanic, Street Fighter, and Fair Game. It beat hackers, Jr., and top dogs. So Jr., our namesake image from the original poster, it beat that. And here is one, well, can I just say something wild? Yeah. Sorry. Go ahead. Very briefly. Although these, for some reason, of these aren't in order. Joe Astorhouse writes in, okay, 1992 Basic Instinct, 1993, Sliver, 1995, both showgirls and Jade. Wow.

And then, and then, and then still, 80 in the, he's still got crazy stuff in the, jagged edge, but he's still got other stuff that you know and have seen. But just those movies. alone in that era, like back to back to back to back, to back, like successful erotic thrillers, then Jade. So crazy. I mean, this is really, I mean, a bizarre time. I just want to just, I also am just kind of confused about why they're meeting at church. The religion also doesn't really play a part in it.

There's so many weird things about this movie. But I guess the question is, like, I feel like it touches on so many things. It's like a stew of like all these movies mixed together by the ultimate cook of these movies. But would you recommend watching it? Would you recommend watching it Jason? Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah, for sure.

This is a fun one. I would recommend watching all the movies I just mentioned. I think I want to do sliver on this show. I feel like we got to do Sliver on this show. We should do Sliver on this show. I think, I mean, I think at some point, maybe the very last how did this get made will be show girls. Yeah, we, yeah, that we get something. But they're, you know, like, these are all, like,

exactly to your point earlier June, like that era of erotic thrillers from the 90s that was, you know, nine and a half weeks and Angel Heart and all, two moon junction, baby. Two moon junction, Charlene Finn. Like, those were, it's a type of movie that I'm trying to think just does not get made anymore. I know.

no longer, like, you know, even like the, you know, body heat, you know, jagged edge, you know, like when Kathleen Turner is like a sex symbol and all of these people are like dangerous and there's so much going on. I don't know. I loved it too. We're going to wrap up. I'm just going to leave you all with this one thought. And this is quickly it.

O.J. Simpson was judges being not guilty. And when he went to the press that day, he said, I'm. I'm excited to go see Jade. What? So there you go, people. That was one of the notable things. Is that like people saying, I'm going to Disneyland when they win the Super Bowl?

It was like he stated to the press. He was excited to go see Jade. So that's how we end today's episode. Jesus. It comes full circle. Also, a very big thank you to Averill Halley, who pulled this movie out of the dark, Deps. She made an amazing mashup clip of NCIS and Jade, which we will post up on all of our

socials. A reminder to join us on the How Did This Get Made Discord board? A big thank you to Nate Kylie for finding that OJ Simpson fact out. Nate, you are kiss, a chef's kiss to you. A big thank you to Devon, our engineer who pieces all this stuff together painstakingly. And our super producer, Cody, who keeps the ship running and Molly. People, I want to have a big shout out to the ghost of Craig T. Nelson. That is Zach McAleese on Instagram who designs our amazing how did this get made posters. Also, I want to give a tip of the hat to Nate Kylie, who also designed some of our great stuff for our Facebook group. I love it all. You are all fantastic. Make sure you give us a call at 619

P-A-U-L-A-S-K. That 619 Paul asked for the mini episode. I will talk about Jade, but I'll also talk about your life because I am helping people solve their problem. Make sure you follow me. And like I said, how did this get made on our Discord pages? We are there all the time. and I can't wait to talk to you all next week about a film called Jade. And you know what? Before I get going, before I get out of the whole thing, one person I didn't think in that whole mix of people, because I'm saving it for the end,

because I know that he's going to listen to the end. July Diaz. July Diaz, the master, pulling this all together, listening, knowing what people want and what they don't want. Thank you, July. See you all later. Next week on the mini episode. Bye for now.