How Did This Get Made? - Jill Rips LIVE!

Episode Date: April 4, 2025

Paul, June, and Jason enter the cold room to tackle the 2000 Dolph Lundgren thriller Jill Rips—a movie without a single character named Jill. LIVE from Largo in L.A., they discuss the insanely long red bathrobe scene, Polish Elvis, all the bad wigs, Dolph's hunky outfits, the shibari scene, Dolph's Dissolves, and so much more. Plus, did Disney's Frozen steal its famous line from this movie?!  Get tix for our May 9th Toronto show at hdtgm.comHave a correction or omission for Last Looks? Call 619-PAULASK to leave us a voicemail!Buy HDTGM merch at howdidthisgetmade.dashery.com/Order Paul’s book about his childhood: Joyful Recollections of TraumaJoin the HDTGM conversation on Discord: discord.gg/hdtgmShop our new hat collection at podswag.comPaul’s Discord: discord.gg/paulscheerPaul’s YouTube page: youtube.com/paulscheerFollow Paul on Letterboxd: letterboxd.com/paulscheerSubscribe to Enter The Dark Web w/ Paul and Rob Huebel: youtube.com/@enterthedarkwebListen to Unspooled with Paul and Amy Nicholson: unspooledpodcast.comListen to The Deep Dive with Jessica St. Clair and June Diane Raphael: thedeepdiveacademy.com/podcastInstagram: @hdtgm, @paulscheer, & @junedianeTwitter: @hdtgm, @paulscheer, & msjunediane  Jason is not on social mediaEpisode transcripts available at how-did-this-get-made.simplecast.com/episodesGet access to all the podcasts you love, music channels and radio shows with the SiriusXM App! Get 3 months free using the link: siriusxm.com/hdtgm

Dolph Lundgren learns about S&M and so much more. We saw Jill Rips, so you know what that means. I'm ripping Justin to Kelly I'm making C a bird last show with Dick Crowe And take a bow with speed to hit the hoops control J.D. Big Paul and the beautiful Julie Gonna take you from the boom while the women run Rainer in the street by the hope to blow off steam Just a sucker plus the on-lights attempting to break shot Little birdemic, how you standin' alive? They call him the Badass and he's on the line

Cranking 88 limits cause they cool as ice Cause they're bad Jim Bonny looking kind tonight Paul and Jill getting little while Jason is getting lame Julis making sure all the monkey shots get detained They're just a bunch of movies, one be making the grade Here's a real question for you, how did this get paid? Hello people of Earth and, people of Los Angeles! Oh, boy, oh, boy.

It's our first live show of 2025. I can't believe it. And we needed to make it about Dolph Lundgren getting tied up, getting beat up in the 70s. Yes, Jill Rips is a period piece. Um, all right, if you don't know about Jill Rips, you probably got questions. You probably think, well, this is a movie about, like,

Jack the Ripper, but, like, maybe it's, like, a female Jack the Ripper, but like maybe it's like a female Jack the Ripper, no. Not really, I mean maybe in theory, but nothing on screen tells us that. No character named Jill. You might be thinking, well, this is an old movie, this came out a long time ago. We can forgive things. Nope.

Came out in 2000, which is old, but not that old. Not even the 90s. This is a 2000 film. And the tagline is, here very, very interestingly enough, imagine if Jack the Ripper had a sister. And I guess then forget that, because it doesn't play into what this movie does at all. IMDb describes it as a tough guy who wrote this description.

A tough guy goes undercover on a personal mission of vengeance into the hardcore world of S&M to find out who's responsible for the death of his brother. Well, well, well. I tell you the cast but doesn't make a difference. Dolph Lundgren, that's all you need to know. In an action movie with not much action, but a lot of punches to the face. People are getting punched in the dick and face a lot in this movie. We're so much to discuss.

There's so much to break down, but I can't do it without my two co-hosts. Please welcome to the stage Mr. Jason Manzoukas! What's up jerks! Yeah! Here we go! What's up Largo! Yeah! We fucking did it. First show of the tour. We are on tour, but we have not left our home. That is the... This is how I want every tour to be. I get it. I get to do a show and go home?

Oh, I want my bed in every city. Celine Dion, you genius. You figured it out. I mean, I'm sitting here being like, why do I have to be in Boise soon? That's right, I'm taking shots at Boise. Get fucked, Boise. You and I, we love bad action movies. I've never even seen the cover of this, heard of this, in any way.

Paul, I don't know what this was. Yeah. This movie is a conundrum. It is a conundrum. the cover of this, heard of this, in any way. Paul, I don't know what this was. Yeah. This movie is a conundrum. It is wall to wall, I don't know. And I loved it.

This was so compelling. I really think there's so much talk about. So much talk about, but I will say that I watched the last five minutes behind your back in the room. You let me in there. I wasn't just watching you. Okay. Not behind your back. your back in the room. You let me in there. I wasn't just watching you. Not behind your back. I was.

It's OK. It was cool. I was watching. I was watching the movie and I walked out and discussed, but I still like the movie. Oh, boy. I this was I genuinely I kept writing my notes. I don't know what's going on. No, I think this the scene where she's in the red bathrobe,

I believe is 15 minutes long. And it's riveting. It's called Drama People. And somebody knows about drama and bad wigs. And there are two of many bad wigs to mention in this film. Yes! So many bad wigs for no reason. No reason.

At one point, I feel like they kept an improvised line in, like, get a bit of wig. Yes. So many bad wigs. Always. For no reason. No reason. At one point, I feel like they kept an improvised line in like, get a bit of wig. It's like, that was not in the script. At no point did they say, this guy's wearing a wig. Anyway, June Diane Rebio. Yes. Let's go. How are you, June? I'm well. How are you, June?

I'm well. How are you, Paul? I am well. And can you, I'm not to put you on the spot, but... No, you were starting to talk about wigs without me and I had to run out here. I had to run out here. That is your signature. That in the early days of the podcast, you had a segment that was wig talk or that was...

And I was, yeah, a resident wig spotter. Yes. Now I have to say though, the haircut of Jill, Jill Rips. Now, is that a full name? No. Is that a name of a character? Who's Jill Rips in the movie? There is no Jill.

There is literally no Jill in this movie. There's no Jill Rips? No, there's a Matt, there's an Irene, there's an Eddie, there's a Francis, there's a big Jim. She is Jill Rips though, and she's got, I honestly thought about this in the car right here, I said, I think that is the most unfortunate haircut

I've ever seen on a woman. I don't know that that's a wig. Well, that's what I thought too, because- And that's what's worse. Well, that's what I thought too, because everyone's wearing the shortest haircuts and shortest wigs. And also the longest. And so Jill Rips, I felt like she has the short brown hair that I kept writing, why is this wig here? Obviously the blonde hair is going to be underneath this brown wig. And in fact, no, Jill Rips is hiding the blonde wig.

I thought that Jill Rips, it was not Jill, but I thought that was Cindy Williams from Laverne and Shirley. Oh, I love that. I kept, did anybody else? I kept confusing Jill Rips and the accented man for each other in the same haircut., because they had the same haircut. In longer shots. Well, that's what I thought, like,

because they have the same profile. And I thought for sure we're leading to that moment because they made such a big deal out of the fact that the killer was right-handed, and I was like, oh... Did they? Yeah, in the beginning. Didn't notice.

In the beginning, when they're going over Michael's death and how he died, 57 cuts to the genitals. But when they're going over that, after it. After he was dead. You can get 57 cuts on there. That's a big dick. Shallow cuts. Shallow.

That's a big dick. 57 cuts. There's so many cuts for a dick. Just with paper. Paper cuts. All paper cuts. Oh, yeah. OK. Just little. Bah, bah, bah, bah, bah, bah, bah. And cuts, all paper cuts. Oh yeah, okay, just little.

And what's it like one, two, three, four, five? One, two, three, four, five. One, two, three, four, five. One, two, three, four, five. Just bouncing off days. I'm so curious. Like days in jail. But when they're talking about that with the coroner,

he says that the killer is right-handed. And I thought, oh, I cannot wait for when the man at the wig, Polish Elvis, is mistaken. By the way, that's our shirt. Polish Elvis. I cannot wait for them to think it was him at one point and then realize he's a lefty. Well, June, I think you're watching too much Severance.

You're looking for clues that are not gonna add up. They weren't there. That wasn't available. There's really only one misdirect, Well, June, I think you're watching too much Severance. You're looking for clues that are not going to add up. There's really only one misdirect, and it's like the builder man, and you know, like the guy who's like the... The mayor, Big Jim. Oh, Big Jim, yeah. And he's really the only misdirect,

and he's very easily gotten rid of. Well, almost immediately. Almost immediately. Yeah, I do want... I couldn't tell you genuinely the plot of the movie. No, I don't want to, I want to try to break it down but I want to ask you both a question.

It's not the movie, certainly, that I thought it was going to be. 100%. With Dolph Lundgren in a Rambo style fatigues jacket, military jacket. I was like, oh, this is going to be a Seagal, Stallone style, you know. I thought it was going to be like a take on first blood,

like that kind of thing. He comes home, but no, it's so much weirder. Here's a question I just wanna ask, I wanna get this out of the way. How many kids are discovering dead bodies on average? I feel like that's a trope. I never discovered a dead body. Did you guys discover a dead body?

No. No, never. Never. I'm still hoping. But I, I don't think I can call myself a kid anymore. That's the bummer. Anybody in the audience ever find a dead body? As a kid? As a kid? Where? Okay. Doesn't count. Doesn't count.

Can I ask? Doesn't count. No follow up questions? No follow up. But if you were a kid? Doesn't count. No follow-up questions? No follow-up. But if you were a kid, I'd have a lot of follow-up questions. It doesn't meet the criteria. What's so funny about that scene though is they are two very young kids. Very young kids.

To the point where you're like, they shouldn't be out alone. Well, here's the other thing. They are at the shore. It's iced over. They're at the shore. It's iced over. And they're throwing rocks. They're having a blast. They're at the shore. It's iced over. And they're throwing rocks. They're having a blast.

Ha ha ha. And it just, it doesn't, it just pans out to reveal bodies. Like, right there. And then pans out to reveal further, police boats fishing the bodies out. If you walked down to the shore, wouldn't you notice that is happening and not throw rocks for a minute? Well, here's the other thing. I think those cops kept those kids on the crime scene for way too long.

Yes. And they also put them in a cop car. I'm like, are you arresting the kids? Are they suspects? Where are their parents? I think the guy was already dead. Also, there's so much outdoor voiceover. Clearly, they couldn't get a single piece of sound

recorded outside. But the kids, the voices of the kids are absolutely voiced by adults, people. And the woman who's voicing the little girl who can't be older than five or six. It's like, oh did you skip the rock over there? Yeah a little bit further, Timmy. I'm like, that's a grown woman. I want a divorce, Gerald. But lo and behold, we find out that that is Dolph Lundgren's brother. And then we- Not the kid. No, sorry, the dead body. The dead body.

Brother. By the way, the kid could have been his brother, just a younger. Yeah, the body. The body is Dolph Lundgren's brother. He comes home and then we go to this wake where they're playing orchestra music as if it's like Ethan Hunt is walking through like a fancy opera scene. Like, I mean, this is a lower rent a house in Boston and there's this music coming in and, and then you have Delahl-Flungren reading the paper

in the middle of his own brother's wake. And then this is my favorite part of this movie, well, maybe not the favorite, but one of my favorites is the camera pans over what Dahl-Flungren is reading in such a way that I don't know what I'm supposed to be taking in. I don't know what the title is. It's like going across left to right like a typewriter.

It was so quick. I didn't see the whole is. It's like going across like left to right, like a typewriter. It was so quick. I didn't see the whole thing. It was so quick. Something about the tunnels and Big Jim. It was so quick. Just give me an establishing shot. That scene was all exposition. Everybody had exposition in that scene.

None of it stuck with me whatsoever. None of it. So much so that like in the next scene when they're in the cold room, I'm like, why are we in a cold room? The best part of that scene though is when Dolph Lundgren looks up and says to the other, his cop friend, like, who is that fox?

Yeah. And we cut to her, and it's the hair, you know? I mean, and- So shocking. It is, it tells us a lot about- And it is, who is that fox? At a wake! He's like, wow.

And the reveal is that it's his dead brother's new wife. And I will say, and no offense to this at all. No disrespect. No disrespect. It does tell us a lot about his character that he thinks that is the sexiest woman he has seen. Which I'm just like, OK, I now know a lot about him. It also somehow speaks to like that both brothers

found her to be the sexiest person. Alive. What shared history do they have, familiarly that they were both looked at her and went, what? Oh, but I got it. I get that. Eyes.

Eyes. Where? Tongue. Bum. Bum, bum. Eyes. Tongue. Bong, bong, bong. By the way, both brothers have like something, actually, actually, something very terrible happened to them as children because they both have the most fucked up views of women.

And both of them, by the way, like when we find out, okay, Dolph Lundgren hits a dog, grabs an older woman by the hair and throws her, shoots another woman after hitting her multiple times. He is violent. And the story we hear about, I think why he was let off the force with the prostitutes and marching them down the streets.

Something that's, I kept on looking at that mom. Like, what did you do? What happened to these children? That mom is incredible. Haunting. The moms, these movies have like, they will truly lose you, you know, and I'll be like, ugh, what is this? This is crazy.

And then something will happen. And for me was the scene where she's saying, get out, get out. I was like, this is incredible. What I'm watching is incredible. I don't know what it is. This movie, I know I've asked for this before and we got just a absolutely phenomenal version from Avril, but this movie, more than any movie, needs a David Lynch trailer

because there's the red-curtained room. There's all these Lynchian things. This movie is weird, man. This is what I will say. I want to talk about their fucked up relationship with women, but I will also just give a tip of the cap to Dolph Lundgren, who is he a good actor? I think he is.

Yes. Well, you know what's amazing? He is a good actor. He wins no fights. Right. He loses every fight. He's an action movie star who loses every fight in the movie. He's so concussed throughout.

It's so hard, though. Like, he is, first of all, is obsessed with his journey. He does stop drinking at one point. I hope we all know that. Yes. And that, he does and he doesn't. He still has the flask in the later scenes that he's still pulling out.

But when he gets into the fisherman sweater He does and he doesn't. He still has the flask in the later scenes that he's still pulling out. But when he gets into the fisherman sweater and the green coat, that is game over. That outfit is lights out. And then when he's in like full apprais ski attire. I mean, incredible. Driving a Jeep Grand Wagoneer in a white fisherman sweater.

That's a star. I was like, we are in business. Tie me up, Shabari-style Dolph. Yikes-a, Mike-sa, what's up? Stone cold hunk. He really, like nothing says I'm an undercover cop more than wearing a fisherman sweater to a house of prostitution. Like, I mean, I'm just undercover cop more than wearing a fisherman sweater to a house of prostitution.

Like, I mean, I'm just here to buy some sex from some women. I love that he's wearing a transmitter. He's wearing like a wire or a transmitter. But it basically looks like they've just taken like a transistor radio, opened it up and pulled out the whole thing and just shoved it in his jacket. It's crazy looking. And you're telling me this movie came out in 2000? Yes. No, that's not right.

That's got, but it was like shot in 86. That's the great work of the production designer to make it look like a movie that was shot in 86. I do want to show you this is let's see here this is the the scene with the fisherman sweater and him giving it I'm blown away by this TV by the way yeah that look look at it You didn't mark off the preferred activities list, Jack.

Well, I'm pretty open. Can we turn on closed captioning? You're not an edge, are you? I'm just kidding. No. Let's go through some of these. Discipline. Sure. Cross-dressing?

No. Baby games? No. Bondage? No. Yes. Yes. Enemies? No. Anil?

No. Tickling? Maybe. Toilet training. I'll have to think about that one. Humiliation. I've had enough of that this week. Humiliation. No. I'm going to put you with Randy. And here's the thing, she is filling out a form.

Like she is, there is a form that she is is gonna give to one of the sex workers We see a close-up of the form the form gets its own insert shot I mean she's also wearing like half of a catwoman man Like it's she has like a Phantom of the Opera mask in that it's half, but it's like a catwoman in shape It's the 70s, baby But is it when is this? 77 okay now June you were saying that like the relationship that he had with his mom is very messed up It's the 70s, baby. But is it? When does this take place? 77. 77. 77, okay. Now, June, you were saying that the relationship that he had with his mom is very messed up,

and I agree. I think that he enters this world where he's like, what is this? What is S&M? But the act that he performs, which is he gathers up a bunch of sex workers, makes them take off their shoes, walk in the rain and sing Bible songs

so they will be clean. That just said like, oh yeah, I heard about that thing you did. That's fucked up. That's a kink. I don't wanna yuck his yum, but that is the- That's 70s Boston. Like I didn't even- That's just, you know what? That's 70s Boston. Like, I didn't even know... That's just, you know what?

That's present day Boston. I just didn't understand what that was. Like, you can't say that and be like, oh yeah, I identify with that character. I got it, yeah, yeah. You wanted to make all the sex workers just get clean and sing songs to, you know, because they fear God. And it's so hard, he does explain it at the very end,

but I was left even more confused because his explanation is like, he wanted them, yes, to find some sort of redemption. Although I guess he doesn't, you know, question the men who purchased the prostitution at all. That I guess is fine. But then he says, but then I saw them and they're just them and they're just people.

And then that's the end of that. Like I couldn't quite- It's almost like it's some sort of baptism or some sort of like washing away their sins. But that's fucked up. I mean, that's like crazy fucked up. Like he's like, I guess I gotta baptize him. The reason why he is fired is because he's rounded up women,

made them walk in the street barefoot to get clean in the eyes of the Lord. He's a 70s Boston cop. He's a villain. Yeah, he is a villain. He's a villain. He's also so dumb. Like the,

the scene that where he goes into, not Jill Rip's, but Jill Rip's sister's lair, when he's there and he's, Irene Rips. Are we saying that? Irene Rips, yeah. Oh, the nurse. Wait, do we think it's?

Not Irene Rips, Francis Rips. Oh, okay. Wait, are we, I just wanted to make sure that when we were talking about Jill, Jill Rips. You're talking about Mary O. I'm talking about, I just want to make sure that when we're talking about Jill Rips. You're talking about Mary O. I'm talking about, I'm talking about. Hold on, I knew you were referencing names. You're talking about Francis?

Mary O. Are you talking about Francis Reed? I'm talking about Francis Reed. You gotta do better for me. You have to say like woman in nurse's costume, wife, brother's wife, or. Well, brother's wife is Jill Rips. Okay, that's okay. Character name Jill Rips. I wanted to make sure, okay, wife is Jill Rip's. OK, that's OK.

Character name, Jill Rip's. I wanted to make sure. OK, yes. OK. I went on Amazon X-Ray. Jill Rip's is her name. OK. So Jill Rip's sister, Frances Ripps, or Frances Reed.

Frances Reed is the name on the mailbox. Yes. Got it. When he's in her lair and he's set up the sting operation with the cop who's outside. I could not get over that he put himself in that position. What was his plan? And I know he said, I'm gonna call,

I'm gonna say boots, should things go sideways, but. But why wait until the ball gag is in? Literally. Like why not be like, okay, I guess a ball gag. Boots, boots, boots, boots, boots. You can get three boots while the ball gag is going in. How are you letting yourself get tied up and placed upside down?

Yeah, he is like a championship shark. Like he is like, you know, we caught it. He is helpless. He cannot get out. But by the way though, he's seen multiple videos of other men in that very position. He knew exactly what was going to happen. But the cop is distracted by somebody coming over to him. It's like, the cop...

The guy that comes over to him is the guy in the bad wig with the Polish Elvis. That's what's even crazier. Anyway, but I feel like that... So there's that scene and the cop comes running in and he shoots Jill Rip's sister and he's getting him down and and you know Dolph Lundgren is blindfolded he's got the ball gag and he's like writhing and he's trying to say boost boost boost and I really wanted the guy he shoots the woman to come in take the ball gag out and have Dolph be going like I'm coming I'm coming. I mean this this getup. And I don't know, and this is why I'm always curious.

This movie was shot in 2000. Wait, I just noticed her in the background. She blends in, she's camouflaged so well. I mean, I appreciate the suit work. It must be a lot of talcum powder to get in there. I mean, it's a very tricky thing to get in, because it looks like a one piece. What I don't understand is, like, It must be a lot of talcum powder to get in there. I mean, it's a very tricky thing to get in because it looks like a one piece.

What I don't understand is like this movie does seem to... Well, I guess it doesn't understand S&M. It's got some understanding of S&M. It's like the way that like sex is talked about in Fifty Shades of Grey. It's like we understand that this exists, but we're also, we're fan-ficking some of it. And I feel like this getup, is this something that

has ever existed? You mean upside down? The upside down fishing net? Okay, no, this is called Shibari. This is a Japanese knot. The rope and the knots are an actual thing. Okay. The hanging upside down, I genuinely don't know.

Anyone in the audience been... And it seems like, honestly, a lot of men are down for it in this movie. Like, a lot of men willingly get upside down. I'm certain there's somebody in the audience who can give us some sort of expert insight. Anyone ever... Anyone want to speak? Uh-oh, you got, you have a little... All right, here we go.

Let's talk about it. All right, so I'll hold the mic. Hi. So I traveled around the festival scene for a little bit and at this place called Ignite, there was this guy called... Hold on, can I just ask what you said? I traveled around the festival scene

as if we all were like... We are already, I have so many questions already. The S&M festivals? What festivals? Yeah, so just clue us in on that and then we'll, yes. Yeah, so there was this festival called Ignite where you can learn how to fire spin, so I'm a fire spinner.

Okay. And there's also where you can learn how to do Shabari. And there is, he was the gentleman pirate and he would actually tie you up. And one time I got tied to a tree. So you were tied to a tree. Now, like what, like is Shabari purely an S&M thing or is that?

No, it's actually, it's just, it's a lot of fun. And it's really, it's a form of art too. It doesn't really tie you up. It's like, it's actually, it's just, it's a lot of fun. And it's really, it's a form of art too. It doesn't really tie you up. It's like, it's not knots. You can just take it out. And that's the whole point of the fact that you can't tie up a samurai, but you can use a series of knots to subdue them. So especially when they're drunk, you can use that to subdue samurai.

Everything that you said is said so confidently. How many? Wait a second. And that I'm like, have I missed? How many samurai are on the festival circuit? I believe everything that you say, and I have no judgment to it. Wait, do you mean Renaissance Festival? I just feel completely unaware. What kind of festival?

Fire spinning. Fire spinning. So fire spinning. Where are the, what's the, wait, what's, okay, no. It's called Ignite. It's called ignite. It's called ignite. Fire spinning festival of medicine. What's happening at the-

What else is happening besides fire spinning at the festival? Oh, you learn how to joust. You can soar- You're trending towards Renaissance fare. Joust? You learn how to joust? Silks.

Silks? Yeah, so you can do acrobats. OK, OK, OK. So a shabari is not always, it's just like human origami in a way. Like you let your body be a part of a knot, a living knot. OK, that's, well there we got some answers. I don't, I don't, I don't, yeah.

Thank you. Thank you. But it does seem from that explanation it's pretty easy to get out. Yeah. Has anyone ever, and again, Does anybody else have, We're in a safe space.

Has anyone ever been hung upside down for an act of sex? No one's going to, No judgment. I don't want, I will judge, so don't. I will, I have to be honest. Or did you have a friend who did and you just know a lot about your friend. All right. So I do think this is a movie

that does take some liberties here. The thing that I did find interesting was the, when Jill rips in the red bathrobe scene, well not this scene, in the red bathrobe scene. One of the best scenes. One of the best scenes on film. Yeah. It's so long, but they,

I felt like a movie like this would have traditionally just, and so many of the movies that we've seen, would have put the people that are involved in Shabari and BDSM and stuff in the villain category. And they gave her so, they gave Jill Ripps all this time to explain to Dolph Lundgren the entire totality of what she's, like, experienced and all of this growth in a way that I was like,

this is interesting that they're giving this much time to the... to him getting educated to this. And by the way, like, she sold me on the experience. Oh, yeah. I was like, that sounds great. Oh. I ordered rope after this movie. I was like, that sounds great. Oh, I ordered rope after this movie. I was like, I like what I'm hearing.

How did this get me? How did this get me? Well, now I guess we just have to talk about one other thing and then we can ask the big question of what is this movie about. The other hanging thing in this movie is there is a guy, I believe he's the mayor, Big Jim, who's like, I'm gonna bring a subway to this town.

Very much like the music man. And then they make a very big deal out of it. It's cold though. It's really cold. Like are they digging in a hoff? Like what's going on? They have to have a cold room because of something, I couldn't figure that out either.

But multiple of the fights take place in the cold room because of something. I couldn't figure that out either, but multiple of the fights take place in the cold room. I just don't understand why, like what the subplot that's underneath boss work for that guy. Yeah. In what, like, so they're, they're bad guys too. I thought they were mobsters, but, but you're saying he's the mayor. I think, I think he's the mayor.

I got to kiss a lot of ass, but I also build this. He goes, I'm bringing the city this thing. I don't, Big Jim. I think that what, I think that Polish Elvis is. Oh, he's a construction magnet. Yeah. Okay. And he gets all the contracts and it's,

but I think that Polish Elvis has his ear to the ground for S&M workers and maybe prostitutes and other sex workers, or is there pimp, I'm not sure. But either way, he's able to feed information on who those men are to Big Jim as collateral for him to. Oh, that's why they have a camera set up because that's the black male that Big Jim says he has.

Because Big Jim, June's June paid attention. So, uh... I was riveted. I was further confused by you continuing to call him the mayor. And I was like, well, wait a minute. I thought he was like a bad guy. Well, I mean, like he... In Boston terms, he's the mayor.

Yes. Big Jim felt like a mayorial candidate. Like, I mean, but I did feel like, I'm getting that confused with that new Daredevil show. I feel like he's like, I want to bring the city a subway. But I, you know, I'm getting that confused with that new Daredevil show. I feel like he's like, I wanna bring the city a subway. But I, you know, I like, there is something about, all right, so now we've laid out all the major plot points and now the question is, so what's the plot? Well, and here's the thing that I don't think

any of us understand because it does seem that Jill Rip, that a lot is going on in the subway and that she somehow, she has a line about the cold never bothered me anyway, which is from Frozen. That's also in this movie. And I was like, did Frozen take that line from this movie? This movie is based on a book. This movie is based on a book

and it's the same book that they based Frozen on. Oh, wow. No, seriously. I was like, two sisters? Frozen did originally take place in 70s Boston. And Elsa was a victim of Shabari. Do you wanna build a snowman? Do you wanna be tied up in Shabari?

By the way, that's a great shirt. Just Olaf in Shabari upside down. Does the cold never bothered me anyway? But I didn't understand why she needed to be in the tunnels because it did seem like she was heading there at the end. Sorry, I just want to tag the shirt if you don't mind. Okay. I think it should say naughty, K-N-O-T-T-Y, Olaf.

It should say Naughty Olaf. Great. It was a good interruption, but that's a great. I'm sorry. I'm very sorry. That was worth it. That was worth it. All right, so wait.

You're right. What's going on? Why is she going back to the subway at the end? There's no S&M place in the subway, right? I know that I know of. Is she going to kill Polish Elvis? Cause she's killing all the men that she thinks could be the man that killed her mother, Mrs. Rips.

Rips? Rips, Mrs. Rips. Rips. Mrs. Rips. Mrs. Rips. Yes, mama rips. Mama rips. Mama rips. Mama rips. Rips? Rips. Mrs. Rips. Mrs. Rips. Mrs. Rips. Yes. Mama Rips. Mama Rips. Mama Rips.

Wait, do you think her name is- We are trying to get that financed right now. Mama Rips. If everyone gives us $5 at the door, we will double the budget of this movie. It's a prequel story. Do you think her name is Jill Rips because she RIPs people? Okay. She kills them? So I thought about this,

I thought about this headline so much, because I was like, okay, why didn't they say Jill the Ripper? And then are they saying Jill Rips, like Jill has just ripped, like Jill Rips again. Is that what it was? Or are we calling her in this city, Jill Rips? So yeah, yeah. Is she, was she Jill the Ripper?

But then in colloquially around town, Jill Rips. Did you see? Jill Rips got another one. Or is it just like she ripped again? Oh, oh, I heard Kenny got ripped. Well, but I heard Sully got ripped by Jill Rips. But like that's how you would describe it, because it's not like Jack the Killer,

it's Jack the Ripper. Rippin' up losers. Right. Right, you know, so... Okay, wait, wait. Who's this guy? Rippin' up losers, baby. Okay, wait, now it's Austin Powers?

Uh... He, like, but it's like, so yeah, she is ripping up, she's ripping up Deviants. But I mean, okay, so she's killing anybody who could be the man who killed her mother. Wait, so she killed her brother? She killed her husband? Yes!

Yes! Wow! Oh! Wow! Whoa! This is wild. You just rewatched it with me in there. There was a lot going on at our house when Paul watched the movie.

No, no, no. He rewatched it with me here. But the ending didn't make that super clear. He goes, did you get your man? She says, she says he, he was once she found out he had the, well, first of all, the way they got together was confusing. I don't know if she sought him out because he was into S and M or if she was being honest in the bathrobe scene, which was,

which was, oh, I, I was just in this relationship. And then he revealed that he wanted this type of sex. Right. I remember that. Yeah. Right. So I, but I don't know if that was true. She's a very unre revealed that he wanted this type of sex. Right. I remember that. Yeah. Right. So I, but I don't know if that was true.

She's a very unreliable narrator. Yes, she is. To be clear. So, but what I do think is true is that he was trying to ferry her off and her services to other men in his life. I got that. Yes. I got that.

She says that. And I do think that part is true. And so then he needed to die. Yeah. Because anybody- But didn't she enjoy it for a little bit? Yes, I think she thought that they- Why am I- Oh me, she says it.

I'm just really, oh, I'm repeating the movie. I'm not saying she liked it. Well, actually, no, no, no, no, no. I don't know though. I don't know because I think there's- I disagree with Paul. I don't think, though. I don't know because I think there's a- I disagree with Paul. I don't think she was asking for it. She said it!

I do think there's a world in which she was, in that scene, convincing him to be interested in S&M. To then help find the person. That's what I thought. And then I felt like I didn't get the justification of like what changed. Cause I feel like she was like, come on, do this. And then that will help me do this.

And then, but why did she kill him? Why didn't she? Why did she? She didn't. You mean the brother? Yeah. That's what I just said. Because I'm what I said.

I'll stop what I responded with was because the brother the brother was like trying to, to, you know, ferry her off to other men in his life. What I said, but she enjoyed it. No, she didn't enjoy it. Oh, she didn't enjoy it. She was willing to indulge his predilections. But she enjoyed it. No, she didn't enjoy it. Oh. She didn't enjoy it. She was willing to indulge his predilections,

but once he was trying to pimp her out to other men, he became just- You thought she enjoyed that? I thought that's what she said. No. No, she never said that. That's what you wanted to hear. Ha ha.

Ha ha. I thought she was telling this thing. I thought she was telling this thing. You thought she enjoyed being like forced to do this with his friends? I didn't die. I'm not. You know what I'm saying? I'm not. I just thought I misheard it. I was working on the fucking PowerPoints. I was watching it and I was like, yeah, I get it. She liked it. Big deal, let's go. And then I thought Polish Elvis was like, you gotta kill your husband because I got some dirt on him.

I would have believed that. Like that's the thing is, it wasn't, the reveals came so late and so stacked on top of each other that they, I agree with you. It is very difficult to, because multiple people are revealing things that are then proven to be wrong. Right. And Dolph Lundgren is not really letting us in on his process of detective work, because

he's mostly just having his ass kicked forward into the next plot point, and he leaves that plot point usually unconscious. Well then, let me ask one, well I'm revealing myself here, and I know that maybe the last 10 minutes of this movie was a little rushed for me, and I did re-watch it with you, and I feel comfortable asking this, but I'm nervous about asking it.

Okay, so just so you know, the beginning of tonight, I heard you ask the question. So we're gonna find out who is Jill Ripz. No, I just wanted to make sure we were on the same page as who Jill Ripz was. Okay. Because there's no Jill Ripz, I mean, it's just her. Well, she's not Jill, right?

She's not what? She's not, like, her name isn't Jill. No, I think that the... The red woman in red, who is also the brother's wife. Wait, which red? There are two women in red. The full leather red. That's not Jill Ripes. Full leather red is Jill Ripes' sister. See, I knew that.

Oh, right. Yeah, sorry, yes. That's Jill Ripes' sister who actually does have blonde hair. So, but that person didn't kill... No. Jill Ripes' husband? does have blonde hair. So, but that person didn't kill Jill Rip's husband? No, no, no. But I thought that... But OK. Irene did. But it was in that space.

It was in that space the same way. Yes. So you could think, oh, maybe because Polish Elvis was there at the behest of Big Joe, that maybe Big Joe and Polish Elvis convinced red leather woman, Francis Reed to kill the brother. And that's the misdirect the movie is setting up. Got it.

But when Dolph goes to the house and rips the boxes open and he finds the blonde wig, he realizes she has been going into her sister's apartment and killing men who she thinks are bad men. Yeah, but the other way we know this. To what end? Thank you, somebody, for getting my- If she could kill every bad man in the world,

the man who killed her mother will have been killed. Wow. Uh, doi? Come on. It's pretty easy, guys. I'm just kidding. It makes no sense. So then, all right, so then I'm gonna open myself to one more question. This movie is like, what if Terrence Malick

made one of these movies? Well, Mike, then my question is this. Is Jill Rip dead at the end? No. OK, good. I thought that was the case, but I was too nervous. But Dolph Lundgren does think, oh, maybe she, no, no, no. That's the scene before.

OK, yeah. Because he has a moment with her in the ice tunnel. Yeah. Which, again, I don't understand. And she delivers a powerful monologue in that scene. It's sort of like America for Hours monologue at Barbie. But better? But better?

Probably a little better. I mean, here it is. Yeah, I mean, I will play a second of it. Here we go. Like, wait a second, can you go back? Can you go back? I'm so sorry. Does he need to turn the flashlight on? Look how close, he has a gun on her and he's so close. It's not, he doesn't have to be like, is it her?

What I would also say is, as someone who's gotten a flashlight in my eyes, she's got great eye control. Incredible. Wide open, like not even worried about it. Wait a minute, is he holding a flashlight? On his other hand, one hand is holding a gun. Okay, if he's holding a flashlight below the gun, there's no way it's getting her at that angle.

But why is it so bright behind him? Yeah, like if it's that bright behind him, he's back lit, which means the light from behind him is hitting her. He doesn't need a flashlight. It looks cool, though, with the flashlight. It's cool as hell! That's why this movie's awesome,

because it's absolute moron nonsense, but it's great. All right, so here's her monologue. Are you going to shoot me, Matt? You're a murderer. So are you! I'm a murderer. What about the people who murdered me? Hang on.

You can take me after- You don't know it's Kajavia. It doesn't matter. He sells women. He's as bad as those who buy them. All those who are dead? Those who would steal the soul from somebody who was at their lowest point?

It could have been any of the men who are dead now. That's not enough. You don't have the right to- No! I don't have any rights. Same as when my mother was beaten to death and nobody bothered to look for her killer because she was a whore. Same as when my new father decided I could be a daughter

and a mistress. Same as when the rights that I don't have. You're going in. Why do you come here? Aargh! No, Irene! Die, you bitch! What is this Polish Elvis! She runs right at him!

She runs right at... He's got it up high! She can see it even in the fog! Polish Elvis only carries large weapons. He has a silver shovel that I've never seen so clean. So clean! Like he just bought it from the hardware store. You know what? That's the moment that I needed to rewatch. You, I did not see that. We did not rewatch that. And that is a pivotal moment. And this is the reason why I didn't want to rewatch three

minutes of ads to rewind it. I was like, ah. My question is, she has come here to kill Polish Elvis. In fact, Dolph kills him. She gets conked on the head and now disappears and we don't ever really- Where is Polish Elvis? Is Polish Elvis just in the cold room, like taking a cold plunge? Well, he works there because he works for Mayor Joe. Yeah, he's just gotta check on the tunnels and stuff.

But I mean, it seems like it seems pretty late at night. Who knows? And it also seems like the worker, and then they make a whole big deal, like the workers even have to take a break because it's so cold in there. But how come we never find out why he wears that wig? Did you think somehow it was gonna be revealed?

That's an improvised line. That's an improvised line. But he's wearing a crazy wig. Cause I think what was supposed to happen, I think maybe it was this scene that we were supposed to just see both of their heads fighting and both of their hair next to each other

in the smoke and Dolph Lundgren like trying to figure out where to shoot. And that just worked. I have a feeling this is what happened. They go, wow, we got this guy, Polo Shalvis, he's got a great voice, great look. Then he gets a set and he has the same haircut as Dolph Lundgren, like shit.

We can't have Polo Shalva set the same haircut. You gotta make him wear a wig. And then this guy's like, you're making me wear a wig? This is my fucking life. You can't hide my face. Then he gives a shitty performance, like well now we gotta dub him. So now you got this guy in a wig who talks like,

he's in a movie that is an old school kung fu movie. He talks very weird. And so I think that that's what's going on. I do believe that he was given a wig for some set, like some reason, because he goes, nice wig. That feels- But why? I felt like the wig was gonna come off

and the accent would have been revealed to be fake because he's in fact somebody else. I thought that it was gonna be Jill Rips. Thank you. I would have loved it it was gonna be Jill Rips. Thank you. I would have loved it if that had been Jill Rips. All I need is one person to get my back and that's it. Thank you. In Polish Elvis, if it's revealed that Jill Rips

is the enforcer for Mayor Joe, that would be incredible. That's what I would like to have seen. Did anyone else notice that when they are investigating one of the murders that happens in the lair, in Jill Ripes' lair, and the cops are in there, and another man's died, and the weapons are on top of him, and one of them, one of the sex instruments, it looks like some sort of a probe,

has an insane amount of hair on it. I'm not the only one who saw that. So much hair. There was a lot of grizzly imagery. Oh, the head? The head? The head? The squashed head, the chopped up body.

I didn't need it. When he bursts into that apartment and Mary is like cutting a guy's legs with a straight razor, and then they're like, hey, and the guy's like, hey, what are you doing? I thought this was a cool place. I was like, this man would be screaming in pain. He doesn't, I-

When they describe the way that like the truck driver, yeah, truck driver just accidentally ran over, he was already dead, truck driver just ran over his head because he was delivering some melons to the fucking supermarket, you know? Yeah, he's bummed out, of course, but the guy is dead.

They didn't really do anything. He just fucking ran over a dead body, no big deal. It was like, what is this? Like, clearly they only had the guy's head that was already busted. It's not even part of the plot. I could, this movie doesn't obey, and I don't know, here's, I don't know what genre this is.

Like, do you have the dream sequence? Okay, I wanna talk about this dream sequence. Where did this come from? Why aren't there four more of these in the movie? I thought this was nuts. And so visually arresting. Well, like he's walking. I don't even know if I have that.

Oh, okay. I don't know if I have that scene, but when he- He's being dragged. He's tied in Shibari rope. He's being dragged across like an icy road. His face and chest are all bloody. And the Polish Elvis is dragging him, right? Well, I don't know if we even see it.

No, the dominatrix is on the hill above. She's got like a Batman or a Catwoman standing on a thing. Like it's a Die Antwoord video or something. I was like, what the fuck is this? This is like the band The Fever. Give me this all day, every day. It really was so watchable. I couldn't take my eyes off the screen.

And I had no idea what was going on, but I found it so compelling. Well, now I do know, and Pete the S-Man, you brought the original novel. What's the original title of the novel? It says Jill Rips. Jill Rips, okay. Because this movie was called Jill Rips. Did you read it? Well, the original script was very close to the novel, and then they kind of deviated far from it.

The novel had been described as harrowing, grim poetic vision makes it the best novel of its kind for years. The Sunday Times said that it's violent and vicious and brutal, and its tail is bedded down in an imagination like a succubus. And the Daily Express called it a tautly

and skillfully written, genuine, can't put it down, turn off the telly read. And the person who wrote the novel, Frederick Lindsay said that this movie is a travesty of good. Wow. And of a good and serious novel. The script as the book was set in present day and then

they changed that to make it the 70s and you know he said the 70s is when the S&M scene was actually more alive and then the other thing was this movie is also called Tied Up. Okay. Jill Rips is like a later... I don't mind Jill Rips. I mean it makes zero sense. Tied up is a little bit better. Tied up is a better, is a better movie. And you know, maybe have like, you know, Dolph Lundgren with like a phone, like, hmm, tied up.

Can I ask you a question? When, when Dolph Lundgren and Jill Rips have their sex scene, not the tied up upside down, but the sex scene in the room where they're careening all over the place. Is that in the mom's house? No, that's at a hotel. It's in a hotel, okay, okay.

Yeah. I tuned out for a second, tuned back in, I was like, this is a loud sex scene. Is the mom there? It also didn't look pleasant. It didn't look pleasant to me, that sex scene. I didn't like it. I didn't mind it.

I didn't mind it either. I thought it was great. Fun thing fact about that dream sequence or that knocked out sequence and he's unconscious and feeling like he's going to get all cut to pieces. Dolph Lundgren insisted that he shoot his stuff inside and then they made that actress shoot all of her stuff outside in the freezing cold. Oh my God. Not in the same scene. So let's go to the audience.

Let's do a question. Maybe we can take it to the audience. Why, OK, why were the tapes being dropped off to the police department? Unclear. As blackmail, I think as to say, hey, we have blackmail on you. Blackmail on the police department? we have blackmail on you. Blackmail on the police department? They got blackmail on everybody.

Because I know Conway. Oh, you mean the tape of the snuff film that they all go in and watch? Together. Why is that tape dropped off there? Because murders are already happening, so now they're investigating the murders instead of holding it for more. Right, but who sent them that that reel to reel do we think? Because

the guy comes in he's like we got another tape of the murder. What? It must have been Polish Elvis. Well Polish Elvis is sending those tapes in. He is? So sometimes he's using it to black. Why? Why? Wouldn't that make it bad for them? Maybe they just have an excess of tapes. You know, we've run out of black man material. Because that's like at one point when he's driving that limo or doing donuts in the parking lot and Dolph Lundgren, did you kill my brother? I didn't need to. I didn't need to.

I already got what I needed on that guy. That was a real thing I feel like. And again, I feel like this movie, I'm just going, it's I guess representing the 70s, but I think it's an 80s movie. Just to drive someone out of control makes them reveal all secrets. Just to be like, there's a madman behind the wheel, I'll tell you anything you wanna know.

It also seems like Delf Lundgren would kill himself. Like as a bad guy, you have to think. Always, that's always the question. Yeah, to give the bad guy, you have to be like, I don't think he's gonna kill himself. Like as a bad guy you have to think. That's always the question. Yeah, to give the bad guy you have to be like, I don't think he's gonna kill himself. No, he's too handsome. Alright, yes, your name and your question. I'll hold the mic.

My name's Hank. My question is about Mario, who we mentioned briefly before. He breaks and enters upon Mario three different times. At the end of the movie, he frames Mario. He's left Scott free. My question is, how are we supposed to morally like reconcile what happens to Mario? Because he shoots her in the chest

after breaking and entering. By the way, it's a brutal death. She does shoot first. She shoots twice at him. In self-defense. Well, but here is actually, here's how we come to terms with it, morally. He adopts her dog.

Wow. And seems to have a very nice relationship with the dog at the end, which I was very relieved by. All right. So, sir, what's your name? David. David.

All right. So you are carrying a copy of Jill Rips. Whoa. Actually, hang on. Raise the book up if you came here with Jill Rips. Okay. It's only these two weirdos? Okay.

Okay. You two weirdos can talk after. It's a big book. It's a big book. It is a big book. All right, so what do you want to share about this? Well, the book sort of explains why it's so cold in the tunnel, which they don't address in the movie, which is that they're freezing the ground to make the ground more stable to excavate it.

Sure, why not? Great. Anything else? I'm curious, is there anything? They murdered the dog in the book. He strangles the dog, sadly. So I was happy that the movie changed that. And the part that makes more sense is the...

The dog liked it, don't worry about it. It was all in London. So the murders happened on Jack the Ripper's murder dates, and it was in London. So that was why it was Jill the Ripper. The book is in London? Yeah. And so obviously when they cast Dolph Lundgren, they're like, oh, he can't be British anymore.

So they changed, like, everything, and then nothing makes sense anymore. Well, maybe they thought it was Dolph London. Why not? Why not? Why not? Why not? Why not? Why not? Why not? Why not? Why not? London. Why then keep it be...

Why have it be about Jack the Ripper? Why not have it be about, if you're gonna relocate it to Boston, the Boston Strangler? Why not have it be called, like, Jill Strangles? And also, he, um... In the book, he doesn't drink and he just drinks tea. Wow. I don't mind that.

Pete, yes, man, do you have any more book facts? I do mind that. Do you have any book facts as we go to the book part of the show? Malcolm is the brother, Dolph Lundgren's brother, his name is Malcolm, does not die in the book. What? So what's the inciting incident? What starts the whole thing? I mean, there's so much. I mean, let's just, I'm gonna let out the big one right away. Is that Polish Elvis, Kajawi, he is the father of Jill the Rips. Whoa!

Wait, now do you mean? Do you mean? They are father and daughter. So that's why they look alike? Yeah. Oh. Wow. Wow.

Wow. Wait a second. Follow up question. What? When you say father, you don't mean Mr. Reed father who adopted her and had sex with her sister. No, her biological father. The mother who had the two girls,

one of them is Irene, who is Jill the Rips in the movie, she had, this woman had two males, two husbands, and one of them was Polish Elvis, and Polish Elvis did kill her. That's what was also so weird. So that, this, the end of the movie, she has successfully found the man that killed her mother. Yeah they did it actually. Her biological father. I believe because at a certain point these the book and the movie are crisscrossing. The murder

happened in what's the woman the the one when the nurse helped her. Mario. Mario. Mario. It happened in her. She gets, they kill her, and then they lured him, Polish Elvis, into... Got it. And Delph Lundgren's character was trying to stop her and say, like, let's just arrest him. She's like, no, I'm going to kill him. Wow. Yeah.

Here's my question. That is a great plot like that. Why would you throw it away? That's a huge reveal. And I've got to ask David, why didn't you mention any of that? I did have some questions for David after that. David, you had first crack at book knowledge, and you gave us crumbs.

He's telling us about why we're stabilizing the grounds of Boston to put a tunnel in. I mean, yeah, I'm grateful for the cold room info. But wow, wow, wow! We've been asking the whole podcast, like, why are they in the same wig? David, David walks so Pete could run. Yeah.

I mean, that's, you know, he set us up to get a picture. I do want them to get a picture afterwards in the courtyard, please. All right, yes. Here we go. Let me get a person who can come up here. What do you got? I'm Cory, and I was curious if you all

felt that there were some Lynchian elements thrown into this for just like for the sake of, oh, this is weird. This is just what we're going to show. This is like, why the hell not? And also, if they pitched it to Lundgren as, hey, man, this is your cruising. This is your Pacino moment. You get to do your cruisin'.

It definitely felt like he was doing a Pacino. He was, in the first half of the movie, he is doing a different performance than the second half of the movie. Like, fully. And it's, he's doing stuff in those early scenes at the funeral, at the wake. He's doing, he's wasted all the time. It's really, it's a whole performance. But I have to say that I never felt like he was pushing.

I never, I was very, I really didn't. I was like, this is an interesting performance. I don't understand it, but I believe it. I believe that this is a strange man acting really weird. I will say as far as the lynchian tropes, that to me reeks of budget because like there are moments when they're in like the S and M, you know, house or whatever, you know, whatever the location is, where it's just like cage, red light, open spaces, like the tunnels's a lot of smoke, nothing discernible,

lights are off. I think it is, I agree with Paul, it is accidentally lynching him. Yeah, it's like, we've got some red go-bos and tweenies and we can make that work. Because also there are scenes where it's like real fuzzy, where it's like moody and weird in a way that I'm like, oh, this is just out of focus

and this is what they had to use. I don't necessarily think it's always purposeful, but I do think it cuts together into a pretty compelling movie. Did anyone else notice that, I think I'm right here. I almost went back and rewatched, but I didn't. But in this sex scene, first of all, full frontal nudity, the movie is not what you think at points.

And he rips her jeans down. I thought she was either not wearing underwear or wearing like very dark underwear. Then like in the post-coital scene, she gets up and I believe she's wearing his underwear. Is she? That's when you know you have good sex, when you swap underwear.

Wow. It's like that scene in Zoolander when they have like the model off and he pulls the underwear off. Like that's what you do. If you have good sex, you get your underwear on somebody else and they don't even know. It just makes her so snuggly.

I feel like, and I don't know how you feel, and I am curious, June, specifically, I'm rooting for Dolph and Jill Ritz. Thousand percent. Like, I want them to be together at the end. Thousand percent. Like, first of all. Like, bad.

Me too, and I felt like that was another sort of miss, with the movie sort of, it got there, but they have, again, in the red robe scene, they are connecting very intimately. And I thought the sex scene was great. I was like, they're next sexually... Yes, Pa. Wait, I'm curious. I'm curious.

I thought it was great. I'm just curious. Who, like, from the audience, who, I guess round of applause if the sex scene worked for you? Okay, didn't work? Interesting. A lot of people sitting on their hands.

A lot of people like, I know a trap when I see one. This is a trap. This is a trap scenario. They sat out. It seemed to me though. Why didn't you clap? It seemed that they were the only two people in the world who could really understand each other.

And they were meant to be together. I guess I love this movie. Yes! Yes! Yes! June and I, I'm here to say Team Fred is also Team Mr. and Mrs. Rips. And I guess Paul, because you don't believe that they are connected, Team Sanity is... Oh, no, no, I'm just saying I just felt that... I think you were grossed out by the sex scene because it was in a disgusting hotel room,

which I did think about. I did think about. I think I just felt like... Oh, she touched her bare butt to the TV. Yeah. I asked if you were fusing. Honestly, get tested. All I'll say is I thought the sex scene...

I felt like there was a lot of pent up aggression there, and I felt like he was definitely more in a position of power, and I wanted her to get... I thought she was getting in there. Oh, yeah. Oh, she was getting in. She... Oh, yeah. She's... I mean, remember, she is a murderer. Right, true. All right, what's your question?

Wait, let me ask you this. I'm curious about this. I really... I loved all of the different setups that when he would burst into Mary's apartment, she was always in a session. Let me ask you this. I'm curious about this. I really, I loved all of the different setups that when he would burst into Mary's apartment, she was always in a session. She's the one I mentioned with the cutting the man's leg, which I didn't appreciate. But the one that really got me was the guy

who's tied up with his head in the oven. Who I'm just like, what is this guy's Sylvia Plath kink? He's like, Ted Hughes is just really riding me. I gotta check out. That's an SMP. These are my Sylvia Plath jokes. SMP. SMP, S and M, S and P.

Yeah, S and P. Obviously, we had opinions about this movie, but there are people out there with a different opinion. It is now time for second opinions. Hi, I'm Kat. All right. Irene wants to thank you for giving her some time to breathe. Dolph was waiting so damn patiently

while she got it together, while she binded some boys. Oh, yeah. Don't say to look, but never touch. To big Jim slapped your girl. So now we are stabbing mans and making plans. Don't say to look, but never touch Till Big Jim slapped your girl's soul Now we are stabbing mans and making plans And it's lucky for me you understand Just what a girl wants, what a jail wants

Whatever second opinions help to set you free And I'm thanking you by giving you five stars What a jail rips, what a Jill needs, whatever keeps that dog from killing me, and I'm thanking you for that second opinion. Yeah, give it up, great job! Great, great. Whoo! Wow, wow, wow.

Surprisingly, not that many second opinions on Jill Rips. Nine. Nine reviews. Might be an all time low. Nine total reviews. Here's a twist. All in German. Was this that wait, is Dauflanger in German?

No, no. It could be. Out of those nine, 47% are five star, zero percent are one stars. Well, I'll just get into it. This one is from Bianca. Bianca, a Titles Review, exciting thriller with S&M background.

At some point, I have reviewed the youth version of this movie. However, the 18 plus version is a lot better. I have questions. Bianca goes on to describe the movie and then says there are totally humorous passages in this film. For example, Matt's visit to the S&M studio. Simply delicious. A really worthy seeing movie. Five stars. That's that's very German.

Then we get from Son of Winslow. Now, this is how you make a sleazy psychosexual thriller. Ty West, take notes. Feels like a Skinamax infused episode of Batman shot in Estonia circa 1999. This person has a spec script. Now, I will say Dolph Lundgren did have some thoughts. Great.

We hit the way back machine on DolphLundgren.com as he wrote a blog post about it. And Dolph wrote, This is the first time I did a thriller. Doesn't have as many action scenes as my films normally do. At one point, I end up hanging upside down, being molested by this leather-dressed woman with a whip. She is the killer,

and of course, it's kind of tough for me to solve the mystery. Wait, she's not the killer. Let's be clear. He's also misunderstood the movie. This is from the words of Dolph here. She is the killer. And of course, it's kind of tough for me to solve the mystery from that position, but somehow I managed to do it anyway. No!

He doesn't. On this picture, I spent a lot of time rehearsing because a lot of the scenes had more dialogue than other films I've done. It's a good experience to really work on the performance. I discovered you could get a lot out of a picture without carrying the biggest machine gun around, so to speak. Oh, I love it.

I love it. I wanna start calling things pictures again. I like calling it a picture. That and analyst. Oh, I was talking about the pictures with my analyst the other day. The one interesting fact is that Tom Berenger was attached to Star in this, but dropped out

and then Dolph came in and the director says it's Dolph's best acting to date. Agreed. And, um, but apparently Dolph and the producer argued way too much because Dolph really liked to do dissolve transition edits for the film. And at one point they did say that he gave 378 editing notes. Okay, by the way, you two described that opening sequence of those kids watching with the police boats right there.

I thought that was a dissolve. I think it was. It definitely was, right? Oh, it is? Yeah. Yeah. Oh, okay. Then I looked away or I didn't notice that.

I thought those kids were- I just wanted to be clear. Yeah. That was one of Dolph's dissolves. I didn't know about the other double Ds in this movie. A couple of these editing notes that I thought were funny. Dolph made them reshoot the cemetery scene, which is all of 20 seconds, because he didn't think his face was in it enough. And then, um, they did a lot of editing. Apparently, the bathrobe scene was eight pages.

They got that down to three. I would love to see the full cut of that. I loved it. Yeah. Oh, it was still at least eight minutes long. Yeah. Yeah, so, I mean, imagine it. I couldn't believe how long that scene was. That was incredible.

So, like, that's where Dolph got in there, and they're very upset because the original scene of Dolph getting cut up by the woman in his like passed out dream was a lot more violent, but they thought that made the movie too dark. I also- Release the Dolph cut. Yeah. Release the double, the DC, release the DC.

Well, I mean, I think, you know, are there any final thoughts? I mean, we know that this is one of the best movies or at least the DC. Well, I mean, I think, you know, are there any final thoughts? I mean, we know that this is one of the best movies that Dolph has done. This movie rips. This movie does rip. I couldn't believe, I guess I was just watching it and I was like, wow, we have more work to do, you know?

There's, for a movie, for this movie to have been out there and to have not known about it. For us to only now be finding about cold ground? I mean, for us to only now, 15 years in, be finding out about Jill Rips? Like truly one of the greats? When we started this podcast, the movie was 10 years old. How is that possible?

What world are we living in? Oh, we're living in Jill Rip's world. I loved it. I mean, I cannot recommend this enough. So we highly recommend that you watch Jill Rip's, even though there is no Jill. The book does not help, but it does give us some details in the background of it.

The movie was made in 2022. Uh. No. I'm just joking. 20. Um, so that's it. Guys. We did it.

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