How Did This Get Made? - Last Looks: 12 Pups of Christmas

Episode Date: December 16, 2022

Jason joins Paul for a holiday-themed Just Chat where they decide the Elf on the Shelf is an EFFING NARC and tear apart the Santa Clause film/TV franchise. Plus, Paul shares deleted scenes from our 12 Pups of Christmas episode, digs into Corrections and Omissions, hears from listeners about horrible gifts, and announces next week's movie. Places people, it's time for Last Looks! Jason's Picks:Christmas with the CampbellsThe Guardians of the Galaxy Holiday SpecialThe Family StoneHoliday Gilmore Girls episodesElfLove ActuallyDie HardMixed Nuts Paul's Picks:The Binge 2: It's A Wonderful BingeBarbarianMistletoe MixupA Very Merry Toy StoreDear ChristmasFeliz NaviDADHome AloneChristmas VacationScroogedBuy Drop Dead Fred LIVE on Vinyl: https://hdtgm.bandcamp.com/Buy tix for June's pickleball tourney: https://www.janeclub.com/pickleballFollow Paul on Letterboxd: https://letterboxd.com/paulscheer/HDTGM Discord: discord.gg/hdtgmPaul’s Discord: https://discord.gg/paulscheerCheck out Paul and Rob Huebel live on Twitch (https://www.twitch.tv/friendzone) every Thursday 8-10pm ESTSubscribe to The Deep Dive with Jessica St. Clair and June Diane Raphael here: listen.earwolf.com/deepdiveSubscribe to Unspooled with Paul Scheer and Amy Nicholson here: listen.earwolf.com/unspooledCheck out The Jane Club over at www.janeclub.comCheck out new HDTGM merch over at https://www.teepublic.com/stores/hdtgmWhere to find Jason, June & Paul:@PaulScheer on Instagram & Twitter@Junediane on IG and @MsJuneDiane on TwitterJason is not on Twitter

Terrible Moms, Jingle Bell Rock, and I get into Tim Allen's The Santa Clause TV series. All this and more people stand by for places it's time for Last Looks. Hello my whispery canine therapist and my dumbass tech CEO Bros. I'm your host Paul Shearer and welcome to How Did This Get Made, Last Looks, where you get to voice your issues on the 12 pups of Christmas, plus Jason and I chat about holiday movies, TV that we're currently watching, and I get to really go to town on this one show that we will never discuss here, but I do get to discuss with him. Plus, we will play some exclusive deleted scenes from our last episode and reveal next week's movie. And most importantly, I will hear from you, our listeners

on Paul's Helpline. But first things first, a big shout out to Dan from Rochester for that amazing opening song. We love these songs. If you have one for Last Looks, please send them to How Did This Get Made at earwolf.com, but keep them short like 15 to 20 seconds is best. All right people, let's get into it. I know we talk a lot about movies on the show, bad movies in particular, but there are bigger things out there in the world. You got problems, let me solve them. It is now time for Paul's Helpline. Whoa, thank you. Teddy loves Supreme. Love that song. Last week, I asked you to call in and rant about the awful gifts that you have received, and we got a ton of calls. I mean, it really

sounds like some of you have incredibly shitty family members like seriously listening to these calls made me angry for you. So I might say some stuff here about your family members, and I apologize in advance, but I don't like these people. Here are a few of the worst calls that we got. The best calls, the worst gifts. Keenan from Michigan. Hey Paul, Keenan from Michigan here. The worst gift I ever got, it's a little bit of a long story, but my mother got me a gift and the entire month of December was sitting under the tree, and every night I was allowed to have one guess so that I could try to narrow down and guess what my gift was. One gift, one guess a night, and my parents are divorced at the time, so I was

only in my mom's half the time, but it really built up this excitement. I was like 10 or 11 years old at the time. I was so excited for this gift. I thought it was going to be like an N64 or game system or something, and Christmas Day came. I also took the gift and it was a toaster, and it wasn't my toaster because we just put it in the kitchen and it stayed at my mom's house. It was just a toaster because my mom knew I liked toast, so she just got her house a toaster and gave it to me as a Christmas gift, and that was the worst gift I've ever gotten. Let me know if it was a bad one. Thank you. Keenan, I know that I said I'm going to say some terrible things about your loved ones, and I'm going to say one right now, so please brace

yourself. I know nothing about your mom, and I am sure she's a wonderful person, but fuck your mom. Holy shit. That is terrible. That is like, I mean, this is like that scene from Scrooge, a movie that I love. You'll hear more about that later, and you heard about it last week too, like giving food to a kid and to make it torture like that. Like you like toast. This goes into the whole sled argument. You don't get anyone a toaster. No one needs a toaster, an air fryer maybe, okay? But aw, come on. It's not even yours. What I find interesting about this is it's cruel. It is downright cruel. Of course, you thought it was an N64. We all did. A toaster? It's like she knew she was fucking with you. Like that is truly next level. Like I am, I want to go back there,

and I'm thinking to myself like I've played games with my kids. I've done funny things with them, but that is like, it wasn't like, and then you also have an N64. It's like, no, no, no, you just have a toaster for half of the year. Fuck that. I'm sure your mom is great. All right, let's listen to Kelsey's call. Hi, Paul. My name is Kelsey. I wanted to call you to tell you about the one of the worst gifts I've ever gotten, which was from my mom a few years ago. I'm an adult woman and my mom is a baby boomer. And what she gave me, in fact, it was after years of just not giving me any gifts at all because like I have kids of my own and she gets some gifts, but she just one Christmas decided that I needed a gift certificate for teeth whitening.

And that was out of the blue and quite a message I got from my mom. Okay, bye. Oh, Kelsey, that, that's rough. That is a rough one, honestly, because I mean, yeah, yeah, I don't even know. We all know why it's rough. Anytime you get something, my mom was great at doing this, getting me the things that she thought I wanted but they became insults like oh you wear fun sneakers so I got you the ugliest sneakers imaginable because in that what you like ugly sneakers and that even is a little bit light because this is like yo your teeth they need to be cleaned if you talked about it it would be acceptable but to

give that out of the blue you don't give it you don't give a teeth whitening put in a stocking stuff or maybe even that's insulting honestly fuck that fuck that these moms what's going on with the moms a lot of a lot of aggression coming out at the kids all right let's hear from Lindsay in Virginia hi Paul this is Lindsay from Virginia I am calling in response to your prompt for worst holiday gifts ever received and I don't know if I have the best one but I think it's pretty high up there especially on the trauma meter a few years after college I was with my now husband and my family unwrapping Christmas gifts

and I unwrapped my own middle school diary which I thought was kind of strange my mom then noticed what I had opened and said you have to read it it's hilarious I still can't believe that she found and read my middle school diary even though I was an adult at this point and I also can't believe she thought it was a great idea to wrap it for Christmas morning I don't know I think it's pretty high up there for a bad gift hope you in June and Jason are having a good holiday to take care what what you can't go into your kids room after they're an adult and then wrap something and give it to them and she

read it and she ridiculed you for it wow that's that is just like more of like a oof oof my goof like first of all terrible gift idea just wrapping something that you already that is yours that you own and then the invasion of privacy my god now there could be another version of it where you know maybe your house had a fire or you thought it was lost and they found it but no it seems like it was just in your room man oh man damn these moms damn them to hell anyway we are always looking for more Paul's helpline voice mails so if you need some advice or you want a second opinion about anything give

me a call at 619 PAUL ASK that's 619 Paul ask I am looking for what you are excited to leave behind in 2022 as we go into the new year what do you want to get out like what are you excited to be like and I'm done and I'm not going back what are we leaving behind in 2022 call me tell me what we're leaving behind 619 PAUL ASK just a heads up people drop dead Fred on vinyl you can only order it up until 12 21 that's right up until December 21st at hdtgm.bancamp.com if you can't remember that just go to hdtgm.com this is a vinyl album of the drop dead Fred episode remastered from the original episode lovingly remastered

it's a double album it has gatefolds all the good has gatefolds you know what I'm talking about they have a side that you can display that's team sanity to Fred we're so excited but once 12 21 comes you can't order it anymore this probably will come in May or April depending we have a lot of orders so we're gonna make a lot of albums but that's it one time that's it one printing and you got it and if you want to give it to someone as a stocking stuff or a gift you get a nice little PDF that you can basically print out and give to your loved ones also if you are listening right now and it is this weekend I mean what weekend is

this I would say it's the weekend of December 16th and 17th Rob Hubel and I are hosting a live show on twitch streaming to 1.5 million people it's called celebrity yard sale and we are getting rid of celebrities junk they're gonna come on the show they're gonna sell their shit and we are gonna give away a brand new car that's right go to twitch.tv slash friendzone but you know what you just go to the front page twitch because we will be there live six to eight on Friday four to six on Saturday Caitlin Olson will be there Nicole Byer Carl Tartt Jerry O'Connell Rob Riggle Camille Nanjiani David Wayne

June Diane Rayfield it is going to be a blast Ben Lee is gonna do a musical performance people it's gonna be a big big show now before we get to your corrections and omissions on the 12 pups of Christmas episode we thought we would share a fun deleted scene from that very podcast you see I almost didn't make it to San Francisco I came extremely close to missing my flight and this is the story of how my life got turned done flipped upside down sit back relax and hear the story of how I miss my flight from LAX I drove here Wow I may have to go back with you because I forgot my license oh God and I had to

convince a frantic a frantic text from Paul Shear I'm driving I'm like doot doot doot having a great time have you left yet I left my wallet at home and I was like what he lives close enough to me I was like oh if you're a good LAX you could probably just make a five-minute like loop out but you made it I made it I was able to talk to the TSA agent I luckily remembered the last three addresses I had one from 2000 which was a little tough to remember no way I could never do it it was so hard and he's like you don't remember your address I was like bro 2000 I was living with like eight people I don't even remember

22 years ago my guy that is a college junior and then he shook it remember the specifics of a college junior come on man he literally shook his head and was like zip code I was like never at least you'll get the zip code what from 22 years ago I don't know the zip code from the town I grew up he asked me my dad's year of birth not just his birthday no luckily I have it in my phone this is what amazing I have what an incredible series of questions yeah it was a real hit it was there's another guy away who's like he was the conduit anyway I'm here tomorrow getting home might be tricky all right so I wasn't gonna miss

this because that's right San Francisco we could have given up we could have canceled the show and we said no Paul punched that TSA agent in the face ran down got opened the door and I said you fly me to San Francisco don't ask any questions I kept the pilot headlock I will be suffering a lot of charges for but they let me out for the show that's how we roll and we got to get to San Francisco that's right now ladies and gentlemen let me introduce somebody who is part of the reason why we're doing this movie tonight a person who's gonna have a lot to say my other co-host June Diane Raphael positively bounding

bounding onto the stage wow I just have to say Paul I did suggest that you Fedex overnight your identification to get home tomorrow and you said nah now that I know the address is I'm set exactly and I'm like are you like if I were gonna come home we'll see we'll see do you live in San Francisco now he's a real riseroni that San Francisco treat I need if I figured out if I was able to crash on everybody's couch here one night I can live here for a couple years well and I get on the flight and we are barely on that plane I mean they were they came over they said we're closing the doors he barely got on the flight and

then both of us I want you to know if I showed up at the airport without my license yeah they are not gonna ask me no what's your dad's birthday or what zip code did you grow up in I would currently be in an LAX holding facility that's right you'd be in a camp of some sort I'd be I'd be in a fortunately in a an internment camp of some kind yes so we're kind of taking a breath but people are very aware because I've been talking in the flight attendants Paul is bit running on the flight attendants are talking he got on so we're sort of it we're a spectacle on the flight people notice us you know and the first thing

we do now Paul sitting directly in front of me before we take off is each of us opened up our computer and turned on 12 pups of Christmas thinking about those other passengers like what a show what a show they're watching this show of like whoa the chaotic energy of the two last people who are freaking out oh no she was there like 40 minutes before I was comfortably I was there but I'm talking to flight attendants getting an ETA and when those doors are closing saying he just passed their security he's running please is there any way you can hold it please please please 12 minutes okay and she said really just 10 and I told you

I told you 12 yeah so I was lying to him you know a lot was going on I want you to give up 10 would have felt like I couldn't have done I know and I knew that that's why I gave you two more you needed those extra two psychologically you needed those extra to June is like the pet therapist in this movie you knew Aaron June is Aaron I couldn't believe it I mean really I have this little I don't know it's a Merse or whatever it's a I call it a bandolier it's a fanny pack that I don't wear as a fanny pack and that thing I leave it too many places because I forget about it anyway God damn it the worst anyway last week we

talked at length about the 12 pups of Christmas we had questions and we thought that we answered everything but clearly we missed a few things here is your chance to set us straight fact check us if you will it is time for corrections and omissions thank you Joe Foster for that great theme let's go to the discord J dubs writes the company's product a GPS collar was inspired to stop dog napping if you were dog napping a dog wouldn't the first thing you do just remove the collar J dubs fuck yeah especially if it was as large as like a like a like a

computer battery from the 1980s yeah you would just take that right off great point can't believe we missed that I guess because there were so many other implausibilities that we just didn't even catch that one ASG 1982 writes if your company was in the verge of bankruptcy how would you feel about giving some dog therapist who has just hired a penthouse at a hotel in New York for multiple nights this is after she was given a first-class plane ticket all for a meeting that was completely unrelated to her job yeah where are the board of investors who is behind this company this company will fail even with

proper tech dr. guts 1003 writes Martin says the investor meeting is on Christmas Eve which means that Martin then makes all of his employees come to his house on Christmas day to tell him that daddy bailed him out I know Carly said the employees of dog on were a family but I think these people would rather be with their actual families on Christmas day now Scott actually pointed out producer Scott that coincidentally this week's Matt in a Monday movie the spirit of Christmas also features an office Christmas party thrown on Christmas Eve I mean honestly that seems like every movie has a Christmas Eve

Christmas party I've never been invited to a Christmas Eve Christmas party I've never gone to one why because I have loving people in my life and especially I'm not going to fucking work one anyway made for TV holiday movie bosses and I'm gonna say actually even movie bosses need to get their shit together and let their employees spend Christmas and Christmas Eve at home this is not fucking Scrooge here Christmas Carol style Salvador Dolly Parton love that name writes I was glad that you talked about the cult mid-summer vibes but did anyone else get the fairness the dropout vibes oh yeah we did my

question is who would you rather go on a double date with Aaron or Martin or Elizabeth Holmes and sunny Balwani circa 2014 oh wow Aaron or Martin for me Aaron or Martin for me because I think that they're weirder oddly which is a weird thing to say anyway I think Elizabeth Holmes kept her shit tight like you didn't know how crazy she was until later I think in retrospect she's crazy who knows anyway let's go to the phone all right our first caller is Todd from Portland what he got Todd hi Paul this is Todd from Portland I had a question about 12 puffs of Christmas when I watched it well actually I

accidentally watched 12 dogs of Christmas before the podcast which is another terrible 90s kids movie involving dogs but I realized I watched the wrong movie when I started the podcast and then I had to go watch this movie but in 12 pups of Christmas there's a scene where the main character Aaron is rushing off to work and she's surrounded by the chaos all the dogs in the house and her friend Taylor shows up to the door to apologize for taking Aaron's fiancee and so Aaron punishes Taylor by making Taylor take care of all the dogs and she rushes off the door to work and saying oh that dog needs to go to the

bathroom already better watch out so my question is what weren't Aaron's plans before Taylor showed up she had all of those dogs in the house and she was rushing off to work she doesn't cancel any dog sitters when Taylor shows up or change any plans she just leaves so what was she gonna do with all those dogs just let them crap and pee all over the house thanks Paul keep up the good work good point again we don't know I'm guessing the family would take care of it or maybe a kennel or maybe she was content with letting those puppies pee on the floor I mean at that point you're not training them so maybe she would just

put down doggie pads it felt like it again we know that Aaron is vindictive and wants to hurt people so I think that she gave her ex best friend a really hard job not because she was gonna do it just because she knew it would be hard like it was like oh you know what while you're here why don't you fix the garbage disposal you know it's like I wasn't gonna do it anyway but now you're here gonna I'm gonna give you some manual labor so I think that was like a fuck you punishment that just kind of happened in the moment I don't think it was a as thought out as she actually had responsibilities I think that Aaron

doesn't care about dogs as we stated and was gonna leave them to just waddle in their own piss and shit Jenny calling next what he got hi Paul I'm Jenny I was at the San Francisco show to see the 12 the 12 pups of Christmas it was a lot of fun I really admired your tech skills and action basically I noticed something weird about the movie like not like everything was super weird in that movie but Taylor had a really easy time just finding where Aaron was staying in the belly and then when Aaron was in New York Travis also found her quite easily at the hotel she was staying at I was wondering do you think that Aaron had a

tracker on her just wondering thank you so much you're great and I love the show bye oh goddamn right you know you know that Aaron is being tracked I think this is where the sisters come in and I think the sisters like you know what I've done on my research on her I want to figure it all out I think that she knew and this is where we're getting into the nitty-gritty of it like Aaron did accept this job before she broke up with her fiance or he broke up with her so maybe it was spoken about and then she went there and then talked to that woman at the front desk who seems to be giving out information willy-nilly to

everybody I'm just gonna guess that that's actually just really bad corporate structure there that they give out people's personal information to whoever asks all right back to the discord Aaron Renee writes omission that had me yelling at my phone like a lunatic you played clips of the cult party where Aaron was welcome into a new family the music playing was jingle bells Aaron hears it and loudly says I know this song yeah as do most preschoolers shit I didn't even get that I didn't even get that you are blow everybody's observations are spot on I love it I know that song geez this is great

Shawna and Reese are right right before Martin heads to jail he tells Aaron I trust you and you got this assuring her that he thinks that she can save the company but immediately after she gets out of jail and a tearful Aaron explains that what happened Martin doesn't give a fuck why doesn't Martin care because he found a different investor while she was failing implying that he didn't think she could do it I mean he must have thought to himself on the way to jail well now we're fucked I better find another investor because she's definitely gonna screw things up well that or he was double-dipping he was

like well look I'll give you a chance to invest if this other thing falls through you want to be number two I mean not the best thing to say to somebody investing in your company but maybe again this guy got ahead by you know limited supply you know and that gives you high demand is that what is that a thing I don't know Cameron H writes one of the weirdest things to me about this film was that it seemed to posit that you cannot own a dog unless one is presented to you we get a little bit of backstory of the people that are gifted puppies and they're all suitably thankful but there was never anything

stopping these people from simply going to a shelter and getting a dog yet they all act like they never even considered it before as if the idea of getting a dog themselves or ownership of a dog is beyond human comprehension well guess what I brought that up I talked about that when they gift that that puppy to the parents who can't have kids like why were we presenting this as if well we don't know where to get a dog I think I did talk about that Cameron unless Scott edited it out but I don't think he did because it was a salient point anyway we have one more deleted scene this is actually really fun we had an audience

member who had a correction an additional piece of information from the Great Wall episode with Matt Damon now she waited to present this until we were in San Francisco she came so if you remember Great Wall of China it was a movie with Matt Damon doing an accent that changed from scene to scene and Jackie Chan it was about defending the Great Wall of China from these like Cloverfield monsters the toy tie and we made some fun of it it was a little weird we didn't understand all about it but we did have an actual Chinese art historian show up in San Fran and she gave us the facts take a listen all

right so you said to me I have some information about the Matt Damon movie the Great Wall it will be worth it so I'm not putting you in the main show I'm putting you here is it worth come come to me come to me here we go is it worth it is it worth it what do you know and again reminder we may not all remember this movie so set us up the best way you can with this information okay the monsters from the Great Wall of China movie with Matt Damon yes these monsters like these green creatures yeah they're called the Tautier which you called Tauti okay Tauti okay so okay they're a real thing these monsters are real no I

was confused when you said it was a real thing okay once they're a real ancient Chinese art history motif found on every single ancient bronze in China since 1000 BCE perfect and being on bronzes bronzes they have now gotten a patina which means they're all green okay so they were bronze now they're green and that's why they're green but back then they would be bronze yes okay so the monsters themselves are like the Tautier where they have big eyes on the side tusks that go like this and horns but they're not a real monster they're just an ancient motif that no one understands so they're just like a velvet Elvis or

something like that they're just alright so they were an imagination alright so this is okay that was was it worth it I got a tattoo recently because I'm I am a Chinese art historian you are Chinese are well look at this as it's a whoa beautiful I can't I don't have a camera like I was like David Copperfield they can't show it up there but it's beautiful the microphone does not work like that but all right it was worth it that was good we love Chinese art history majors coming in setting us straight that is amazing I'm so happy she came I'm so happy that we got some old fact checks if you come to the show

and you have a fact check like that I'll take them before the show because if they're good we'll put them in the show so many great corrections and omissions this week there can only be one that is the absolute best and I gotta tell you should I give it to the person who actually waited on their great wall information for a long time maybe but honestly the one that got me the one that really opened my eyes was from Aaron Renee who brought up that Aaron was so excited that she knew the lyrics to Jingle Bells Aaron a you win this week's best correction and omission and you get this amazing song from Hill Baker hit

it all right if you want to chime in with your own thoughts about the latest episode hit up the discord at discord.gg slash HDTGM or call us at 619 PAUL ASK coming up Jason and I chat about all the holiday TV and movies that we are currently watching will be right back you might have noticed on the how to just get made feed that every Monday we have been pulling old episodes out of the vault and rereleasing them into the rotation you get to listen to these classics and last week's matinee Monday was the spirit of Christmas a great episode with Jessica Sinclair next week will be reindeer games which is I mean if

you don't know the revelation about reindeer games get ready check it out every Monday old episodes back into the stream and reindeer games with Howard Kramer is one of my favorite episodes okay we have spent a lot of time hearing from you but now no one has asked me about me what's on my mind Jason and I are gonna break into some big Christmas talk so if you're in the car with some kids I would say maybe stop listening now because there are some spoilers we talk about a lot of things about Christmas so you know what little ears shouldn't hear the secrets that we know anyway just want to let all the parents

out there know that's your warning and now Tom McWaters hit us with a theme Jason holidays are upon us I love the holidays because it gives me a chance to catch up on all these things that I've been wanting to watch it's like it's the only time of year I feel like I can just not be responsible for anything but just to watch the things I've been excited to watch oh yeah just catch up indulge it's great wake up watch tar yeah eat lunch watch tar all day tar holiday that's your family's new tradition right is that kids love it yeah every night of Hanukkah is tar and every and Christmas Eve is Tarsmas Eve oh we love Tarsmas

Eve it's so I mean it's real I mean it's intense very intense at the house but the kids really they have a great time your kids don't believe in Santa Claus they believe in Kate Blanchett and and we have a little Kate on the shelf it's like elf on the shelf but you got to hide Kate around she can sometimes it's characters so sometimes it's Carol sometimes it's it's tar you know it's a lot glad real it's weird the character from from the Amy Schumer movie too it is a very sometimes he's very wait wait no that's Emma that's Emma Thompson how dare you oh I'm sorry that was that's Tilda Swinton I'm sorry I've got I got

you know I got I kind of get confusing Kate Blanchett and Tilda Swinton they have like a similar kind of from another world ethereal energy going yes there's something about them that they are like they are unlike a human being that we're used to they are they are they are they're glowing in a way I will tell you by the way my kids right now are really quizzing us a lot about Santa oh yeah from the shelf and and I feel like this might be the final year or in the final years my youngest oddly really doesn't believe it more I thought when did you because I feel like there's so yeah I feel like they're so young I feel

like I well and you know when I was a kid I mean I probably believed much later than most just say you know it was I grew up in a small town I didn't have any friends it was not much you know speculated on you know so I got to be I'm gonna say I'm gonna maybe nine or ten okay well so my oldest is eight so you know that then I guess that may and my youngest is six and my youngest keeps on saying like but you put the present of the tree right you could just tell me you could just tell me and and but yet they both don't question the elf on the shelf like the elf on the shelf is moving around our house and the elf

makes total sense the Santa myth is rocky and I will tell you as a parent I'm hating all these Christmas movies that really lead with I know no one believes in Santa like literally the premise of all these movies about Santa but I guess it's like trying to like it's trying to like circumnavigate it like and you feel it so much more as a parent like an elf which I love and it's so fucking funny like the premise of that movie is that like Santa's powers is dwindling because no one doesn't believe yeah and it's like and I know that that has to come back and believing it's coming back but it is like I always think that once you

put that in a kid's head like well why don't people believe yeah it starts a it starts a domino effect like I think that's absolutely true yes no to have that as to have that as even a possibility yeah that Santa is to not be believed in even if you then provide a Santa Claus like it as near Santa Claus it doesn't matter like you've set the you've set something in motion which is like wait a minute as you get older you don't believe you know and then like we have to jump like once I start asking questions and my only way to get through it is by not answering them yeah like with like one person gave me a beautiful

piece of advice she's a child psychiatrist and she said to me you know we were dealing with like the death of someone in our family and and what do we say what do we do and the person told us she said tell you know tell the truth but don't be too don't be too specific like just be like that person is broad strokes yeah broad strokes broad strokes and don't get caught in the weeds and that's how I treat Santa I don't tell the truth but they're like how does Santa get down the chimney and do this I don't even know yeah like I heard that the same way that if they asked you like how does somebody get an

operation done on their brain that you know like that you like I genuinely I don't know how that job works that I'm like a complete idiot I'm not even I'm not even gonna try to like figure it out because it confounds me yeah buddy and that's you know listen it's a it's a listen I don't envy the guy's job you know it's gotta be really tough stuff oh man I don't think the guy's getting paid yeah I mean look in these elves I mean like and then they're like well what if we like keep the elf here all year I'm like oh I don't know I mean then the elf can't go I mean that's kind of

holding a hostage I don't need I just get frustrated by it the mythology around the elf that the elf comes alive at night the mythology of the elf is that the elf is or at least the way that I understand it is sent by Santa to provide him with a naughty or nice yeah he's a fucking spy yeah he's a narc and the elf will hide in the house or create little mischief in the house every morning now I will tell you I didn't know there was a mischief oh well if you look on the parents of Instagram that have a lot of time and by the way I would love to be one of those parents and I admire what they do like I'm talking about like gumdrop shoes and you

know making snow angels like the the what the elves are up to like when you look on the Instagram of it is it as a parent it hurts me because I'm like when do you have the time to do this I'm barely I'm barely remembering to move the elf and there's some nights I forget or did this year have been good but yeah so the idea is that the elf is like always watching and narcing on you and and it's like such a weird thing to to convince a child is real yes is like this doll yeah this doll and if they at any other time of the year brought you a doll and said I think this doll at night comes alive and is watching me and moves around and

move stuff you'd be like no way absolutely not but if they bring you the elf doll and say I think this this doll is moving around and watching me and causing mischief you're like yep that's what this one does yeah and this one is special and it and it come it is sentient it comes it's watching you all the time and it's and the idea is like it's not even a doll it is a human it is a human elf like the mythology isn't like oh Santa put a special piece of magic in your favorite doll it's like no no no this is an elf that looks like a doll you can't touch it if you touch it it doesn't move and I think the idea of

not touching it so the kids don't play with it it's there's a lot going on and I am dreading the day of like revealing it and I think that I would have to go down together and we have our next-door neighbor is Jewish and he has been poking a lot of holes in our in our in our fantasies and not even in a like he's trying to he's just like yeah he's asking smart questions the questions you would like a kid to investigate no my kids are buying a hook line and sicker your kids are weaker as a result yeah they're like oh yeah yeah no I'm cool with a thing that just watches me and record records my progress or my whatever

I'm cool with that I'm writing letters and trying to do things with my hand writing at certain times so they can't imagine it as being that I'm like and it is as a parent like I also like I've seen like you know other parents very vocally back I'm not telling my kids about Santa because I don't want to lie to them I do think that there's something really beautiful about this it's fun we're just doing some fun it's not like it like it's not lying to yes you're lying to them but it's like part of the fun of being a kid like I don't understand like but also like parent it's also like and I would I'm wondering

like what if your kids were like would you would you you know like I remember with my nieces they were into like making fairy houses for fairies in the forest and and they would make high and it wasn't there wasn't any kind of like no that's not real right there are no fairies if you see lights out there it's just you know fireflies you're dumb yeah you know you're participating in a bit of of magic and a bit of like fantasy for them to live inside of which is great which I think is like helpful for their imagination but it's like but man oh man as they get older it's harder and harder because before they didn't really ask

questions now they get they they want to know I think the ideal the ideal way of doing it is that they stop caring about Santa but they also still like all like all the things in the hall it's like it's not like you're ripping the rug out like and then this year you get no gifts you want to transition it into these are the traditions of our family even if you don't necessarily believe in Santa Claus by the way how many people are listening to this in the car with their kids being like sorry we must give a warning I'll give a warning before can I tell you the thing that my mom did that really started to make me question the

Easter Bunny my mom was a big Easter Bunny yeah person and she cut out footprints for the Easter Bunny so when I woke up in the morning there were paper footprints like like Easter Bunny footprints around the house and in my child like mine I never was like well why would he be leaving paper yeah footprints like it like but I remember it so fondly I don't remember when oh yeah it we talked about there is no Santa there is no this but that like it's so funny what you were logic just goes out the window oh yeah yeah my parents I remember when I was a kid they they got like jingle bell bells you know like

sleigh bells and would sneak up into the attic and like late at night when they knew we were still staying awake they would kind of stomp around and do the bells oh I love which was like oh my god Santa that is Santa is here oh my god well do you know that there is my friend lives in the Netherlands and one of the traditions he is open to this year was that I guess like about three or four days ago there's a tradition where Santa practices his run it's like before Christmas Eve I'm gonna do it so what you do is you tell your neighbor to bang on the walls and make a lot of noise like your Santa so like the house feels like

oh my gosh something's going on yeah and it's like this I again a further idea like Santa is like you've got a yeah you know if this is it oh that I love that idea and my friend said it like also scared the shit out of his kids well yeah because you know like on a non-magic if you're if you're participating in magical the magical thinking of it and you're on board everything seems incredible yes but then when you if you apply even the smallest amount of real world logic to it which kids are at a certain age constantly living inside of a logical world and inside of a fantasy world but when you start to apply

logic to it you're like wait a minute there is a stranger who has access to my house like everything about this is I'm told very wrong you know by the way I you know look we talk a lot about bad movies and things like that and I don't want to shit on anything unnecessarily because that would be unlike anything I do but Jason the Santa the Santa Claus series the Tim Allen oh yes yes okay I've never seen them but I'm aware I've never seen the movies yep but I put on the series whoa like wolf in the idea that it's weird because obviously Tim Allen brings with him some baggage some baggage as a human being that I don't

think he necessarily had that much when he was home improvement Tim Allen yeah which is when he shot these original movies I was gonna say the movies are from that era right yes these are from like 20 plus years ago yes and then this series is a brand new series it just was shot now oh and I will tell you that this is one of the scenes Santa is sitting down with his elves to make his naughty and nice list and everything's like all right well that person's naughty and now it's like we don't like to use that term and like it's all these like weird microaggressions and wokeness but like Santa is oddly on the side of

wokeness but being like oh can you believe this like he holds up like a sweater that says Santa sit on my lap he's like can you believe that people are wearing this this is not the spirit of Christmas like it's it's and he's so upset that he can't like call kids naughty it's so weird and are we sure this is in an adaptation of like the Bill O'Reilly book killing Santa I mean it really does feel like there are and so the whole premise of the movie or the the mini series I should say is that Santa is like because if the premise of the Santa Claus is that Tim Allen's a normal dude he goes out on on his front

lawn on Christmas Eve to see what was on the roof it's Santa but he scares Santa I believe this is what it is and Santa then slips on the roof falls down and breaks his neck and he kills Santa yes yes and so Santa has to like step in and fill his shoes well yes because the Santa Claus is that anyone who kills Santa has to take his place the claws like a okay the movie the whole movie series is about Tim Allen murdering Santa yeah so that so that of itself is shocking yeah it's it's rough and you know yeah it and so that like that's the premise like normal guy becomes Santa Claus that's like I guess where it

starts and now this is like normal guy has been Santa Claus is like I'm tired of doing it now I need to retire so it's like Santa wants to retire and he's trying to recruit Cal Penn who's like an Elon Musk slash Jeff Bezos like entrepreneur billionaire who I mean it and wait is he is Tim Allen that I know this is not the case but boy what I love it if it is Tim Allen trying to get someone to kill him so that there is a Santa Claus Claus oh yes where he can and again June was so angry with the Santa Claus miniseries that she was like turn it off but my kids oddly love it so what do we know it's weird it's

like oh and also there are two kids in the movie that play elves but they're kids right there yeah and but they're married so it's watching like two kids that come here skate sweetie give me a kiss and she's like not it while we're at work but it's like it's weird to see if they're playing by kids but they're supposed to be adults yeah because they're old elves right yes but they're like come on give me a smooch here honey and she's like I can't not get with you at work and it's like oh it's weird it's weird to see all this sort of stuff weird ass series of things to put in a kids like a kid series oh and then

you know Casey Wilson is in the series as well and I and for one little scene in the opening but even this is like her she plays it really great it's a funny scene but the idea is that Santa's like I'm not feeling magical anymore I'm losing my powers I don't want to do this like I'm losing the lust for life here I need to go back to like Michigan where I'm from and like live my normal life again with my wife yeah he's like I know will cheer me up I'm gonna go visit this kid that I loved is she always believed in Santa and it's Casey Wilson but Casey Wilson is living on her parents couch she's unemployed and like it's

supremely depressed because her life hasn't worked out great because she's still believes in Santa no just because she's living a life that was not not okay that did not turn out the way that she wanted and like so kids hate to see that can you see that that's a path of life is going on like what is going on here oh if you don't do it right kids you could end up like this and he like gives her a Polly Pocket which I guess to like this you know person in their 30s that are living in their parents house and miserable because they've fallen asleep on the couch and hold like it like it's like there's a lot of

questions I'm having but anyway I love it I love it I didn't mean to derail us with the Santa Claus's and and you know and it continues I've watched the first four you're like this is like your favorite show well you know I was kind of like I gotta let me watch a little bit more look well that's what else is happening let me just see where it goes and it's rough it's rough stuff it's rough because also like it is weird to be like Santa's like oh the perfect replacement for me is is this tech billionaire like you know who delivers a lot of the answer to everything like it's like oh well Amazon delivers a lot of

shit like so the tech billionaire can and and then he does interview like was it Drew Brees the quarterback like he's like your breeze you deliver packages even though but you're he's like oh but I see that you only have a 60% rate of completion that's not good enough it's like what the fuck am I watching I love it and I loved it you make it sound absolutely absurd of course yeah I'm sure is but that your kids are like nope we love it we're just on unabashedly on board yeah and I think it's because you know I think it's because also them this is like oh Santa and this is fun and I'm looking at some stuff and

it's like they're not reading it's like maybe it's working on it's working enough for them yes it's working enough for them and these Santa stories are few and far between except for this time of year so I guess they'll take what they can get well I mean again not so few and far between anymore as it feels like everyone's got a Christmas oh my god that's so true I'm in one I'm in a Christmas movie this year what are you I'm in a this movie called the binge to it's a wonderful binge which is on Hulu right now but it's an adult yes it the binge one is the binge one is about a world in the future where drinking and

drugs are illegal except for one day where everyone get stoned and drunk and there's like the purge the binge is like the purge 100% got it so that was so successful they made a second one but they're like can you make it a Christmas movie so they just changed the binge to Christmas Eve oh and but I will say I have a very small part in it it's fun Jordan Vandina directed it who did the fast nine reading member we did that fast yeah he wrote that so so long story short the binges on Christmas Eve but Tim Meadows and Caitlyn Olsen are in this movie and I think it's my favorite Tim Meadows performance I've seen it's

so funny Danny Trejo funny yeah Tim Tim Meadows is great he played with us a dinosaur and he's just like just no activity with him yeah CBS all access and he was fantastic and he's just really he's one of my favorite recurring Brooklyn 99 character oh yeah he's just like he in like he's this low-key solid in everything he does oh yeah oh yeah incredible and and a great dude oh that's cool I like that I watched the the Justin Long Christmas movie that's like R-rated oh which is that Christmas with the Campbell's is what it's called okay that's an adult one it's an adult when it's basically it's it's it's almost a

spoof okay you know it's almost a spoof of a Hallmark Christmas movie okay it has all of the tropes and all of the archetypes of one of those movies except it's an overtly a comedy okay Julia Duffy and George Wendt are the parents and Justin Long and Alex Moffitt from SNL are the kind of dudes and then Britney Snow is at the center of it just doing the best like like everybody's acting like a lunatic and then they cut to her giving like a wait a second what's going on look she's doing takes that are so funny and so small in the face of just gigantic nonsense I don't know I not what I was expecting and I was

delighted by oh I'm very excited to see that I will say and we don't get into R-rated like it is full-blown like you know I saw this poster and it looked to me like a a straight-up like Hallmark movie so I went and it's like shot like one it's and everybody's doing performances like they think they're in one it's very it's it's it's it's not like it's not like bulletproof but it they do a good job you know they do a good job I think of of sending up those kind of movies while also doing one okay I'm very excited to watch this and I will say that I'm in a little bit of a Justin Long renaissance because I mean

you know maybe there's another episode talk about this but Barbarian his performance I haven't watched it yet yeah wow no I know performance is like I don't want to like oversell it but I will just say it's a goddamn masterpiece only because wow he is primarily by himself oh wow and and it is all things it and I won't say I won't say more than that great great I heard performance is good and it just like I think what really impressed me was it is very good but he's also by himself in a majority of the movie huh and it's really fun to watch him kind of to chip away all right yeah I like it really for that is there any

like like you have a Christmas traditional would you like a movie that you have one you go to a bunch you know I will watch I'm trying to think I you know I'm always happy to watch an elf or a love actually or a family stone these are all Christmas movies that I really like I've never seen family stone fantastic get involved with family stone all right I'm gonna get to good ones oh yeah love actually you know I just I really love I also find this time of year I want to rewatch like winter and holiday episodes of Gilmore girls or like all of those things that are similarly vibes wise but like for example I

don't watch like Miracle on 34th no or it's a wonderful life I don't I don't rewatch any of those older Christmas movies but those those newer ones I for sure do I've been saving Guardians of the Galaxy holiday special because I want to get a little closer to the holiday to go I want to get there I want it in there I had a great time I'm very excited for that I will yeah I was there good no no go ahead I was gonna say do you similarly like are there any like that you either have had as a tradition from your youth or that you guys now do with your kids I will say that Home Alone has really risen to the

top oh and die hard and die hard I just watched die hard last night and Home Alone is a very high on our list I will also say that Christmas vacation is a lot and my personal favorite which I'm realizing not everyone agrees with me about and even Bill Murray doesn't agree with me is is scrooged I love school yeah and that's one I haven't watched in a very long time on June's recommendation yeah last year I watched Mixed Nuts for the first time the last just chat that June said in for she gave a very full-throated endorsement of mixed oh yeah what was your what was your okay I really enjoyed it it wasn't it

was like it's a little rocky at times but I mean great I absolutely adored it it was and it was it's also like it's a movie having never seen it that is you know it's it's Lee F. Schreiber it's Steve Barton it's Rita Wilson it's you know everybody it's oh it's I mean the best the greatest what's your name from young Frankenstein oh I'm Madeline Conn Madeline Conn like I mean give it to me forever you know it really has a great cast it's an it's an odd tone that I feel they do nail but you're right it's a little rocky but then you get invested in it like Anthony La Poglia is great it's like it is it is odd that it's like

June's favorite one because it doesn't really like I mean I think California Christmas is a tough thing to do anyway like it's very hard yeah because it looks like LA story and the only thing that lets you know that it's Christmas is just like the Santa suit yeah like somebody's wearing a Santa suit and two people are trying to get a tree yeah like it's it's very not Christmassy in that way but it is a very fun movie yeah okay well I'm glad they see there we go so there's more recommendations of that I yeah I love just kind of I mean I also am in the zone where I will pop on and maybe this is not up your alley but I

will pop on a Melissa Joan Hart like I watched one with her and that the dude like that that young kid who was like the he was on Blossom the brother of Joey Lawrence they do a handful of them together and there's one where Joey Lawrence and his brother we did the Money Plane movie last year they do a holiday one where she falls in love with both brothers at the same time and they both invite her home for the holidays and she picks one but then the other one is like oh that's my brother and there is she doesn't know she's dating brothers no amazing it's great and there's one moment where they're having a very tense

meal but it's like one of these cheapo movies and they're all eating turkey subs the entire table is that he subs on plates and it is yeah so I that I will occasionally dive into a really like not even for the show just like you finding 12 pups of Christmas oh my god just did which I'm recommending watched it last year I love it it's yeah those are like those are really fun for me because it gives me like the spirit of Christmas but it also I get very enjoying like she did one called a very merry toy store where she runs a toy store she did one called like dear dear dear Christmas which is a guy named Chris

miss like you know it's like there's so many there's one called broadcasting Christmas which I think is on my docket for this year I got a lot of yeah she's like she literally has made a like she has a full lineup of Christmas movies like that's all it seems did you watch the Lindsay Lohan one no cuz Averill said it wasn't good enough okay yeah okay but cuz you could it could have been I saw I don't know I saw the I saw the thumbnail for it the other day on it's it on Hulu or yeah one of them and I was like oh this looks like something we would cover immediately by the way I just want to say that one of the movies

she produced Jason is a Mario Lopez movie called Felice Navidad dad Felice Navidad amazing amazing I want to watch that Felice Navidad I need it I need it but yeah I think she produces like one or two a year well Jason I know she's like a different kind of just chat but it was lovely to just chat with you I love to just chatting all right now that we got 12 pups of Christmas out of the way let's talk about next week's movie you're gonna want to forget about the ghosts of Christmas past present and future because this year we are celebrating the holidays with the ghost in the machine that's right next week

we are watching the 1993 sci-fi thriller ghost in the machine here's a short breakdown of the plot an electrical surge causes a serial killer soul to end up in a computer system boom you don't need anything more than that this movie is rated 11% on rotten tomatoes and Mark Savlov from the Austin Chronicle says jumbled messy and inconsistent with its in-film logic ghost and machines Cardinal sin is in its complete lack of backstory to wit who are these people and why should we care wow I perfect how did this get made review anyway let's stick a listen to the ghost in the machine trailer from the director of

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