How Did This Get Made? - Last Looks: Doppelganger

Episode Date: March 14, 2025

This week on Last Looks, Paul is going over everything we might have missed in last week's movie, Doppelganger. Then, Jason drops by to talk with Paul about Shorsey, SNL50, the Lorne Michaels autobiography and much more! And of course, Paul announces next weeks movie! TV and Movie RecsParadiseThe DiplomatShoresy SAS Rogue Heroes Season 2A Thousand BlowsAll The SNL Docs!  Book RecsKarma Doll by Jonathan Ames James Crumley's C.W. Sughrue Series The More I Fight The More I Love You: A Memoir by Neko Case Lorne: The Man Who Invented Saturday Night Live by Susan Morrison Music Recs Night Music Playlist on YouTube or Brooklyn VeganDestroyer (band)Oneida  (band) Podcast RecThe Watch Podcast HDTGM Spring Tour 2025 tickets are now on sale for Austin, Denver, Seattle, Boise, San Fran, Portland, & LA at hdtgm.com.Order Paul’s book about his childhood: Joyful Recollections of TraumaCheck out new HDTGM movie merch over at teepublic.com/stores/hdtgmJoin the HDTGM conversation on Discord: discord.gg/hdtgmPaul’s Discord: discord.gg/paulscheerVisit Paul’s YouTube page: youtube.com/paulscheerFollow Paul’s movie recs on Letterboxd: letterboxd.com/paulscheer/Watch Enter The Dark Web w/ Paul and Rob Huebel on youtube HDTGM Spring Tour 2025 tickets are now on sale for Austin, Denver, Seattle, Boise, San Fran, Portland, & LA at hdtgm.com.Order Paul’s book about his childhood: Joyful Recollections of TraumaCheck out new HDTGM movie merch over at teepublic.com/stores/hdtgmCheck out our new hats at podswag.comJoin the HDTGM conversation on Discord: discord.gg/hdtgmPaul’s Discord: discord.gg/paulscheerEnter the Dark Web w/ Paul and Rob Huebel on YouTube @enterthedarkwebLike good movies too? Listen to Unspooled with Paul and Amy Nicholson: https://www.unspooledpodcast.com/Listen to The Deep Dive with Jessica St. Clair and June Diane Raphael: www.thedeepdiveacademy.com/podcastWhere to find Paul, June, & Jason:@PaulScheer on Instagram & Twitter@Junediane on IG and @MsJuneDiane on TwitterJason is not on social media Get access to all the podcasts you love, music channels and radio shows with the SiriusXM App! Get 3 months free using the link: siriusxm.com/hdtgm.

What to see in Tree Fort, Sterling K Brown, a bunch of guys from Shorzy, and a 1977 Dungeons and Dragons manual. All this and more will be explored in today's Last Looks. So people, places, it's time for Last Looks. Yeah, I said it twice. I don't care. Disconnect the Discord! Hello my freaky darlings and welcome to Last Looks from HDTGM which stands for How Did

This Get Made. But you know, it's also kinda how did this get made. Strapping my howies and my howettes, my howdy do's and howdy don'ts, we got some corrections and omissions, we got Jason Manzoukas on Just Chat, and we're gonna tell you what next week's movie is. So let's do this, baby! Hello, my freaky doppelganger darlings. What's up? It's me, Paul Scheer,

and welcome to How Did This Get Made? Last Looks. That's right, this is where you, the listener, get to voice your issues on Doppelganger, a movie that Discord user Dove thinks should have had the tagline, Double Ganger, Breakfast at Facsimiles. I like that one. I like that one a lot. By the way, I said Discord user. How about I should say how did this get made, Discord user? Not just like, not like just Reddit user Dove.

Just how did this get made, Discord user? And if you want to join our Discord, just go to discord.gg slash HDTGM and you'll get there. It's fun. Thank you Dove for that tagline. Remember if you have an alt movie tagline, submit it on our Discord. That's right. And we might just read it on the show.

Boy, oh boy, we got so much to talk about. The tour is almost here. The Doppelganger Tour is ready to go. Jess Sinclair is joining us because, and you might not have seen this announcement, the great June Diane Raphael has booked a plum roll, a roll that she is built for perfect to play, and that is the roll of Elle Woods' mom in the Legally Blonde prequel series. That's right. Elle.

So I am, I am just so over the moon. I can't think of a better mom for Elle Woods than a version of June in the eighties. It's going to be like, I can't, the shoulder pads, the Claudia Schiffer kind of fashion. I cannot wait. Uh, it's going to be like, I can't, the shoulder pads, the Claudia Schiffer kind of fashion. I cannot wait. Uh, it's going to be great. So we are truly missing June. Uh, we are so excited to have Jess. Now here's the thing. Uh, June might be able to join us for the Toronto shows, just like she is able to join us for the LA shows. So stick around. We'll have some fun surprises on the road. Tickets are available at HDTGM.com. Now your question is, well, Paul, when are you

going to announce the movies? Soon. We'll give you plenty of time. You'll get a couple of days notice. We're trying. We're trying to do everything right now. Averyl is working her butt off and they're going to be great choices. Now we have so much to talk about today. We're gonna get into your corrections on missions about Doppelganger. Of course, that's what we do. But Jason and I are also going to break down our favorite things on Hulu.

I am obsessed with Paradise. He is obsessed with Shorzy. We're gonna talk about A Thousand Blows and so much more. We also, of course, are gonna reveal the movie for next week's episode. But before I do any of that, let me give a big shout out to Action Jackson 5 for their amazing theme song.

We love those songs. Send them to us whenever you get a chance. Keep them short. How did this get made at earwolf.com? You know the drill. Here's the thing I wanna say. Thank you to the iHeart committee. Thank you to you, the voters.

Thank you because we won the best TV and film podcast award, uh, from I heart this week at South by Southwest, the 2025 best TV and film podcast where it means so much to us, we've been doing the show for such a long time. And I know they say awards don't matter, but when you get an award, it's pretty fucking cool. We are thrilled to get that. We are excited. I could not be there because of the aforementioned shooting of Elle.

June is away. I wanted to be with my kids. I'm here in LA. I'm holding it down. I'm gonna bring the kids with me on the road. I mean, look, not gonna stop me. Not gonna stop me from doing anything. I'm gonna get these kids being roadies out there.

That's right, moms away. Oh, we're gonna, I'm gonna make these kids work. We're getting tattoos. We're gonna start them smoking. Oh, it's gonna be fun. I also wanna say thank you to everybody who came out in San Antonio. I did the Pop Madness Festival,

a little special thing for my book in San Antonio. That was an amazing time. Thank you for everybody being there. We're doing some more book events coming up as the softcover version of the book comes out with, guess what, over 20 additional pages with a bunch of fun stuff in there. All right, let's get into this show. Here's something fun. We're going to do a little throwback. That's right. We're gonna go back to a time when

this show wasn't called Last Looks. It was a time when I did something called Paul's Helpline. That's right. Mark Ranger hit the theme. Your boss is an asshole, you fell out with your mate. You wanna watch the cute girl out on the date? Well, people have heard your help is here. You got a problem?

Come and talk to John Sheen. Ooh, it feels good to be back. That's right, the Paul's Help Line where I help you figure out what is going on with your life. And I got a call from Boise. My man, Chris, got a question. Hi, Jason and Paul, it's Chris from Boise my man Chris got a question. Hi Jason Paul. It's Chris and Boise I am excited for the show during three fourths, but I have a question for you guys

if you were going to three port music festival as a fan what bands would you check out that are on the Schedule thanks for doing such a great show. Look forward to see you guys later. Oh, Chris, what kind of question is this? I don't know what to tell you. I mean, it's a great question. The first answer I'm gonna say is see any band, but don't go see any bands on Friday between seven and 10 p.m.

Go see anything else, great. But Friday between seven and 10 p.m., avoid music. Come see comedy. Stay indoors. Wouldn't you like to see a live taping of how did this get made at 8 p.m. at the Morrison Center for the Performing Arts? I mean, who wants to be outside?

Boo, boo on that. No, but the Tree Fort Fest has an amazing lineup, except for Friday night when you should be seeing us. Shaky Graves, you got Josh Ritter, you got Sophie Tucker, you got Bright Eyes, that's good. And again, those are all not playing at the same time. But truly, this list is so big that I need glasses to read all the names on this Tree Fort list. So come out, see us. A Festival Pass gets you in. If you didn't know about

it, tell your friends in Boise. We'd love to see them. And now we're going to expand the helpline into just questions on Discord so I can just answer questions. Basically, I'm answering a lot of touring questions. For the Toronto show, people are upset because people say, well, the balcony is beneath the gallery. Let me tell you something. First of all, not just Jason, June, myself, we all know the balcony monsters.

And yeah, anything above the main floor, we consider balcony. We know the higher you get, the more insane the people are. That's just because of an oxygen thing. But if you are above the main floor, you are a balcony. I mean, look, if there are seats on the main floor, take the main floor seats.

But you're not gonna get a limited experience. I know you wanna be a balcony monster. Just get a good seat. Don't worry about anything else. But I will say this, everybody's a balcony monster. Even some balcony monsters sneak in on that main floor. I've seen it. Now make sure you get your tickets to Toronto.

You guys have been buying tickets like crazy. I can't believe it. They're going fast. So make sure you get them before it's done. All right, our spring tour is headed your way. We're gonna be in Austin. Austin, come out and see us. Denver, Boise, Seattle, Sam Fran and Portland. All right, that's all the pugs I got.

So let's get into it. Last week we talked at length about Doppelganger. We had a lot of questions and we might've even missed a few things. Here is your chance to set us straight. Fact check us if you will. It is now time for corrections and omissions. Hit the theme! Thank you, Ethereal Burn. Let's go to the Discord, people.

Alright, Sean McBee, hey Sean, writes, Back in New York, when the doctor is sexing up Holly before she kills her mom, we can see the creepy worm version of her reflected in his glasses. And speaking of the creepy worm creature, I found it funny that sister sex line compares doppelgangers to the walking dead When the doppelganger creature effects in this movie were done by none other than Greg Nicotero the man responsible for the zombie effects on AMC's walking dead and you know what Sean McBee do your research and also my makeup effects in the film piranha 3d Wow, okay great. Oh look at that. Yes. There it is in his glasses also my makeup effects in the film Piranha 3D. Wow, okay, great. Oh, look at that.

Yes, there it is. And his glasses, there's a little image that Sean McBee uses to show a little bit, it's hard, it's hard. Now that I know, I guess I see it, but was it happening? Because if it's reflected in his glasses, his glasses are not like seeing inner souls. I don't know, maybe they are at different prescriptions.

John Steele writes, why was Holly afraid of the cat? And why did they seem to make it a plot point? It never pans out. You would think that the cat would have come into it by identifying the doppelganger or something. Yeah, well, I guess, you know, you're right. I guess they just had a cat and they wanted to make sure they got it.

People like cats, I don't know. What else we got? All right. Zilla 21 writes in my opinion, this movie 100% suggests that the worm is a demon and that there's a battle of good and evil for the possession of Holly Gooding. Just a few examples. One, the movie opens with the movie box with the angel figurine. Two, we've seen multiple shots of angels in the background

or even directly behind Holly. Birds are a motif and synonymous with angels or the spiritual realm. Three, lots of white with black costuming. The last scene symbolizes that the demon has taken over. She knocks the music box with the angel to the floor because the demon now fully possesses her. So maybe the worm battle is demon now fully possesses her.

So maybe the worm battle is just two demons fighting over possession and has nothing to do with a doppelganger since the movie suggests that Dr. Heller is the doppelganger. Wow. Zilla 21, you just blew my mind. I guess why were two demons inside one person? Why didn't you just go like, you know what, hey, you're already here. I'll go to the next place. And why do angels and demons look the same? And is that to say that we all have a worm person inside of us? And then sometimes we have an evil

worm person? Like I've got questions. I think your answers are pretty good. I got questions. Dr. Guts, 1003 writes, among all the Christian iconography in the film, Dr. Heller is thrown through a stained glass window depicting St. George and the dragon. The legend involves a dragon that was extorting tribute from the villagers when they ran out of livestock. They started giving up a human tribute once a day. And one day a princess was chosen as a next offering. As the princess walked towards the dragon's cave, St. George saw her and asked why she was crying. The princess told him about the dragon's atrocities and asked him to flee immediately

in fear that he might be killed too. St. George refused to flee, slayed the dragon and rescued the princess. Obviously Dr. Heller is the dragon and Holly is the princess, but would we consider Patrick or Holly's doppelganger to be playing the role of St. George? Dr. Gutz, my answer to that is I don't know.

I don't know. Let's go to the phones. Rob from Philly, what do we got? Hey, this is Rob from Philly. I just got done with Doppelganger and I'm having some trouble. So Dr. Heller, who as we know is everybody in this movie at some point, but Fred, the brother, Drew Barrymore says that he was implicated in the murder. Now we have to understand that he was 11 years old, she says at the time. But if he was the one who was implicated in the murder, not her, not anybody else, does that mean that Dr. Heller dressed up like an 11-year-old boy and threw the father out the window?

I don't know. Maybe this is explained in the movie and I have just lost my entire goddamn mind watching this entire thing. I used to be Team Sanity, but I just don't think I have it left in me anymore. It just left my body. Please help. Thank you. You're great.

Bye. Oh, whoa. You just blew my mind. I'm gonna say yes. Yes. No, maybe no, because Dr. Heller did try to kill the brother as Drew Barrymore.

So no, but that would have been a great yes. John Notconner writes, is it possible that Holly herself, not the demon inside of her killed Heller? Patrick is the only witness. Time and again, the movie shows us something creepy that turns out to be Patrick's nightmare or delusion. Possibly Patrick's encounter with the two halves of Holly's personality is driving him crazy. So maybe we can't trust Patrick's POV.

John, not Connor. This is what I was saying. Not so eloquently, but yes, did it even happen? Did it even happen? I say not. I say that Patrick loves to invent things because he's a writer and he created a more interesting version of a girl that was giving him mixed signals. Patrick loves to invent things because he's a writer and he created a more interesting version of a girl that was giving him mixed signals.

And this is the story. And that might even be the truth of why this movie was made. Grumblebottom writes, I am a D&D nerd. The great Greg Nicotero did the creature effects in this movie and I think he's a D&D nerd as well. The first edition of Advanced Dungeons and Dragons Monster Manual in 1977 lists a creature called Doppelganger. Unlike its Germanic folklore origins, the D&D Doppelganger was a shapeshifter that would take the form of its target and replace the original. In D&D lore, their true form was a tall, gangly, and bug-eyed creature much like the Nicotero monster form in the film.

They have a little image here from the 77 monster manual. Wow! That does look exactly like it. Now here's where the problem is. Seems like Greg Nicotero was doing his own thing, but it's contradicting the other thing which is she is not a doppelganger. She's never taken on anybody else's side, but I guess maybe the double. I bet I have issues because if she will maybe the doppelganger thing he's taking on is, is her, but she's inside of her. I don't know. Oh, yeah.

Yeah. All right. Uh, this is confusing, but wow. Great. Deep pole grumble bottom. Everybody has been. A plus this week, but, uh, the real A plus goes to Ryan says, who is giving us some, how did this get made stats?

Okay. This is after doppelganger. We got some updates here. Okay. So, so far, how did this get made? All-stars Danny Trejo has been in five movies that we have done. Anaconda, badass reindeer games, Con Games, Con Air and Doppelganger. Scott Lawrence, three appearances, Timecop, The First Power and Doppelganger. George Newburn, Theodore Rex and Doppelganger. Sean Whalen, Tammy and Doppelganger. Tina Litford, Jaws of Revenge

and Doppelganger. Donald Borchers, Highlander 2 producer, tough turf producer, and yes, producer of Doppelganger. So Doppelganger's has really risen. A lot of people's, how did this get made stats up there? Now, Ryan also is updating with Oscar winners. So right now Zoe Saldana, she got an Oscar, but she was also in Crossroads. Peter Strahan, who wrote Conclave, also wrote The Snowman. Okay.

Uh, now there's a lot of nominees this year. Obviously Jeremy Strong was in Serenity and The Happening, right? Before he was nominated for The Apprentice. Guy Pearce was in Bloodshot. Uh, we have Sebastian Stan who was in The Covenant. We have Isabella Rossellini who's in Tough Guys Don't Dance. Jesse Eisenberg was in Zack Snyder's Justice League. Ray Fiennes was in the Covenant. We have Isabella Rossellini who's in Tough Guys Don't Dance. Jesse Eisenberg was in Zack Snyder's Justice League.

Ray Fiennes was in the Avengers. Demi Moore was in Nothing But Trouble, LOL, Strip Tees. And of course got a big nomination for the substance. James Mangold, Kate Leopold, he wrote it. Tim Bevin, Drop Dead Fred, the snowman and cats. And well, Academy Award come to how did this get made? I mean, look, we have all been there. We've all made some stinkers and you know what? We learn and then we go win or get nominated for an Academy Award. So thank you, Ryan says,

for updating our Oscar winners, our biggest appearances. It's giving me a lot of information this week and I don't even know. I don't even know who to go to because Ryan says you're doing the Lord's work. You're keeping up with all this sort of stuff. So there's a part of information this week and I don't even know. I don't even know who to go to because Ryan says you're doing the Lord's work. You're keeping up with all this sort of stuff. So there's a part of me that says, hey, you're the winner this week. Then there's another part of me that goes, oh, grumble bottom you. You actually went to the 1977 monster manual of D and D and you found this thing that actually connects the movie in a really interesting way. Dr. Gutz told me a story I forgot all about. Um, I don't buy into Zilla's concept at all.

But then I also go, oh my gosh, Sean McBee literally shows us how the movie shows its end in the very beginning. I don't know people. Honestly, this week, you're all damn winners. You're all damn winners. And you know what? You get this amazing song from Scarecrow. Hit it. It's it! You just win this stupid song from me.

Alright if you want to chime in with your own thoughts about the latest episode, hit up to discord at discord.gg slash hdtgm. Now just a little bit, Jason will stop by to talk about everything that we are watching on TV. Welcome back people. By now, I'm sure you've noticed that every week we re-release old How Did This Get Made episodes back into our feed. These are called matinee episodes.

So don't get freaked out when they come out. They're not new ones. They're old ones. Okay. We did shattered and next week will be the race with Tim bolts. You know, Tim from the righteous gemstones. What a great show. Uh, it's him and Eliza Skinner. It's a great episode. Uh, so keep on checking out our replays of classic episodes. And without any further ado, it is time to welcome Jason to Last Looks for a little Just Chat. Chris Finke, play us in. Real Rust Vat. Your fedora sit and crooked. A just hat.

With Paul and Jason on the mic, you know, it's just chat. Just chat. Jason, how are you? Paul, look at us. Here we are. We are here. And I got to tell you, you know, because we are here, I wanna share with you a real conversation that I've been having with people about something that I've been watching

and I can't stop talking about it. And the show is Paradise on Hulu. I think I may even set it to you on the side. I haven't watched it. I know it's the new This Is Us. Dan Fogelman show, yes. I will say this. I don't wanna spoil anything. If you don't know anything about it, I'm, uh, this is us. Dan Fogelman show. Yes. I will say this. I don't want to spoil anything.

If you don't know anything about it, I'm not going to reveal anything about it. I'm going to say is it's about, uh, the president and his, uh, you know, his secret service guy, right? That's that is, and that's Sterling K Brown, uh, as the star of the show, James Marsden is the president. I don't want to reveal a thing because I oddly did not know anything about it. And it was such a wonderful gift,

how the show kind of evolves and changes. And it is, it is riveting television. I couldn't stop watching. I couldn't stop watching it. And yeah, you and Gabris is the other person who recently recommended Paranoid Student. I might have infected Gabris with it because I know that we were both,

we were both with a mutual friend and we're telling him, and he's like, I'm hearing this from too many people. Oh my God, this is so funny, okay. So I think it's one of those shows that, look, it's gonna scratch a lot of the itches that we talk about in this show. And I'm not gonna reveal anything more,

but I will say that I dare you to stop watching it. Because I literally, I was like, oh, I guess I'm staying up until three in the morning just to kind of power through these. And I didn't do it all in one sitting, but I was like, Oh, I just want to keep on going and it's done in such a way where. How many amps? All I'll say, uh, I think eight total.

Eight. And, and, uh, at the time of this recording, the finale is not yet available. Um, all I will say is this, um, in show, or we have watched a lot of shows that keep you hanging, it feels like, oh, well, this is, you know, we'll never get to the bottom of this. This definitely feels like a show where they keep on adding stuff that you're like, whoa, wait, what? And answering. So they're like, okay, that's what I was going to say.

Do you feel like they are providing answers to some stuff? Like, you know, that's always for me, the, the, the mystery box component, which is, okay, these are all great ideas. I love what you're putting into motion, but then, oh, are you able to close the deal? Everything's fulfillingly threaded. And I feel like that's, and that's why I couldn't stop watching because it was simply like, Oh, the hooks.

I mean, and I guess that's the whole idea of streaming. Is that like the, that's a whole Netflix thing is, you know, build it so that it's impossible to stop. And yeah. And by the way, uh, I'm, I was all in, so Hulu paradise, you like it. Yeah. And, uh, and I can't wait to talk to you about it at one point, only because there are so many fun little Easter eggs in it that, again, I won't spoil, but fun, fun. All right, I'm excited.

I'm on board for that. You know, I like Sterling K. Brown. I watched a bunch of This Is Us at the beginning. I think Fogelman's great. I think that's, I'm curious. And everybody I've heard from similarly is having a blast. So I'm in, I'll do it. I've watched, and everybody I've heard from similarly is having a blast. So I'm in. I'll do it.

I watched, maybe it's not similar because, but it sounds like a little bit of politics and stuff like that. Although I know Paradise has a whole other component to it. But did you guys watch The Diplomat? You know, June has been... The Carrie Russell... Loves The Diplomat.

It's incredible. Yeah. It's so good. Season two, as Allison Janney joins the cast, it is, I think, dynamite, you know, as a, you know, in that very good, elevated, but what feels just like a simple forward-moving, not procedural necessarily, but like,

I feel like The Diplomat and Black Doves, did you watch that? The Cure Nightly Show, Black Doves? Those two shows to me feel similar in that, like, I don't have to be deep into this, there's not like 7,000 layers that I need to dig underneath to get to what the meaning is. They're very pulpy and very fun.

And then impeccably acted. I think the diplomats applies. Well, that's like what's, those are the TV shows that I really just get into because it reminds me of what I loved about 24, right? 24 was such a fun show. And yeah, some seasons better than others, but at the core of it, it was just a really fun,

well acted thriller. And it got more ridiculous as things went on. But at the core of it, it's just, that's kind of that addictive simple television. I think that sometimes we've gone past the point of the hook or we've made everything the hook or everything more complicated and we cease to be like, well, but you also need to care about these people.

Like we need to be on board. Yeah, and you need to also like close some circuits. Yes. You know, like some things need to be done and put aside and more new stuff. And you know, like there is some, and I mean, we've talked about this before a bunch, but boy am I enjoying all the shows

that are essentially modern riffs on a Columbo Magnum PI. Your Elvesbets, your High Potentials, your all these detective shows where there is no whodunit. You see in the first scene who did it, oh, there's Nathan Lane committing murder. And now the rest of the show is just Nathan Lane and Keri Preston head to head.

You know, and it's a blast. Which is so fun. And I still don't know why my character has not been able to come to New York. I mean, anyway, I'm gonna get into it. That's ridiculous. I'm really gonna have to figure this out. I'm gonna have to really get in there.

I know we were talking last time. We kind of teased a couple of things. You were mentioning Shorzy, and I have to say I'm very happy that when I go to Hulu now, Shorzy is up in the top bar. I don't know if that's just because their algorithm is tweaking. Maybe they know you've watched it before or something like that, but it is season four,

has just come out and is phenomenal. I crushed the whole thing in one night. I mean, it's a six, well, it's six episodes of 25 minutes. So it's very doable. And it is, as opposed to what we're talking about before, it is just one forward moving narrative. So it is very rewarding as a large watch,

but it is, you know, this is a show from the Letter Kenny people, Jared Kiso and everyone. And it is a feel-good sports TV show, which is not my wheelhouse at all, but it is so, so, so funny in that way that, like, a slap shot or a bad news bears is absolutely hilarious. So funny, but then such surprising amount of genuine heart. You know, like a real feel-good story in ways

that are consistently surprising for these dirtbag characters. It's absolutely delightful. I am excited to check into that. I will be having, as we've talked about, the How Did This Get Me Tour, June has gotten a gig that has kind of put her out of pocket for a bit,

so that means I'm gonna get to pick my own stuff, not just watch Severance season two, episode two, four times in a row, which is where I'm at right now. Oh no. Every night I wanna watch. That's so funny. Severance, I'm like, okay, great.

And- But I'm assuming June falls asleep? She falls asleep. And she's getting there incrementally. So we were, I think we have about 10 minutes left in season two, episode two. But do you have to start from the beginning again? Well, we gotta remember where we were.

And so we always go back about 15 minutes. This is very funny. It becomes like this battle. And so then I don't watch ahead because I know it's only gonna burn me because then I'm just, like, I'm hoping that... You'll say something or reference something or... She often will go through nights

where she immediately falls asleep like that. And when I say immediately, like, you think, oh, we're gonna, like, we'll rewind it back to where she thinks she remembers it. And then by the time we get to the part where she actually fell asleep, she's already asleep. So it's not, we're not making like. This is what, this is fascinating.

It's a while, like, and, and, and then I'm not quite sure when she's asleep and I'm not going to wake her up, but I. Oh, okay. That was going to be my question is, is there no way for you to monitor? I try, I try. And so what I, what I normally wind up doing

is putting my hands over her eyes and just double checking that she's out. You do like the mirror up to her mouth to see if it fogs up. Because I'm like, it really does. But yet then I come home and she's like, oh yeah, I watched all of Slow Horses, all four seasons.

I went, when, when? Oh my God, thank God, thank God, finally. Well, this is like, this is what I'm talking about. Like, so I don't know when she is able to devour this stuff. Like, I've been watching all the Oscar movies before the Oscars. And June hadn't watched a single one, but I've been kind of pacing myself since,

you know, since New Year's. And she watched them all. She watched every one of them, except for Dune II, which I don't think that she has any interest in. I keep on telling her, you gotta watch Dune, you gotta watch Dune 2. Oh, two of my favorites. Yeah, you know, but she refuses.

So yeah, it is a battle. So now I can kind of enjoy. Okay, so you can get into Shorzy. I can't recommend Shorzy enough. I think it is one of the best, if not the best comedy on TV right now, full stop. I think it's fantastic. If you wanna hear me really dig in on Shorzy,

this last week's episode of The Watch Podcast on The Ringer, Chris Ryan and I go hard for well over an hour on Shorzy and some other stuff that I will shout out here as well. And I saw that you were on camera for it. There's a lot of cameras being, there's a lot going on. I was, I mean, I was, for a audio podcast, I was ushered into a small black room

in a Spotify basement where they had a ton of cameras. Boy, was that unsettling. Wow. I don't like podcasting for camera. Neither do I. Make a show, make a thing, yeah. Yeah, I'm just, I'm talking here. I don't wanna think about like, how's my posture?

Like what am I? Right, right. You know, I'm not interested, but I love CR. One of the best, The Watch Remains, one of my favorite podcasts. So delighted to get on there and talk to him about our beloved Shorzy. I...

Yeah. I... Yeah. I will shout out the other shows we talked about were the two Stephen Knight shows that are going on right now. Stephen Knight, who created Peaky Blinders, as well as a million other things. So season two of SAS Rogue Heroes is out now on MGM+. Why is it on MGM Plus? Who the fuck knows?

Nobody has it, but you can sign up for a week and watch the whole episode, the whole series in that week very easily. Well, this whole idea of MGM Plus, it was supposed to be a part of like Amazon, but it's not. And where there's so many things, this idea, it's so bold.

So you have Amazon, you own MGM, but... Wait a minute. And you are a pay service. So, but there's also MGM Plus for some of these, I don't know. But yet there's no MGM regular. It seems like you're stealing Disney Plus, like there's no MGM. There is at least a Disney Channel. No, no, it's true, it's a whole mess.

It makes no sense. But I will say, SAS Rogue Heroes Season Two, you know, it's about, it's a World War II show about the creation and execution of the SAS, which is like, you know, British special forces, SEAL team kind of vibes, but it is just a ragtag. It's like, what if the Dirty Dozen was a show? Oh, I love that.

Download this whole thing for the tour. A ragtag group of basically like lunatics are sent in early to war zones in order to disrupt everything. So season two takes place in Italy. It's the Italy campaign. So it is fascinating. It's a great show.

And then the other Stephen Knight show that's on right now is on Hulu, so much easier to get, or on Disney. This show is called A Thousand Blows. And if you liked Peaky Blinders, this is right in that wheelhouse. It is a period specific 1800s London show that is about street level petty crime gangs.

Not like mobsters like the Peaky Blinders, but like pickpockets and, you know, bare-knuckle boxers. And it feels, it has huge scale and scope, super fun, a ton of characters like Peaky Blinders. It's got bare-knuckle boxing. It's got, it is a blast. I love this. I mean, these are shows that I feel like

I haven't even heard about. The woman who's the star of it, whose name I'm not gonna forget, she plays Mary on the show, is incredible. This performance is unreal. She plays the queen of the elephants, who are like the all-female gang of like pickpockets and ne'er-do-wells that are populating this area of London. It is fantastic.

Well, I want to give a shout out to something which is I'm reading Jonathan Ames's latest book, Karma Doll. Yep. I love Jonathan Ames. Yeah. I've always been a fan of him. Don't tell me any different.

So far I'm midway through and I'm just loving it because the book and this is the premise of it is, uh, this guy's on the run. He's done some, some bad stuff and, um, he gets reconstructive surgery to kind of hide his face. And that is the beginning. Uh, it's the third in this series. It's a detective, right? It's a detective series of like a pulpy, newari.

Yeah. It's in this character. I've not read these books before. I know it's the third one of it, but this guy's kind of like a shitty, I don't know, he gets into trouble. Like this guy gets into trouble. And it's not like a clean detective or whatever it is.

But the the I am Hmm. I am really I'm really loving it and it like great and I just yeah I'm so karma dolls a hard recommend and you can like, you know Look, they got the the audiobooks in there too. And so you can get that as well. I like that, but it's funny It's good and he's I just think I just I'm a fan. I'm a fan a big fan So I've just been reading also in that same kind of hard-boiled, uh, Detective E! world, the James Crumley C.W. Segru books, uh, which are so fucking fun in the same way. So fun, so funny, so, so absolutely hilarious,

um, because they are both, like, terrific, hard-boiled stories, but then also, like, the character gets into such hilarious exploits. In the first book, he's hired to track down a notorious, boozy, brawly author who's on a bender. It's like the 70s, who's on a bender. So first he has to find the guy, then he has to try and convince him to go home, but really they just go on benders together while they then discover and seek out a different case together.

It's a blast. Oh, I can't wait. You know, there, um, I was reading about him here on the Wikipedia as we were trying to figure some stuff out about him. And I love this fact. According to a longtime friend, uh, he did cocaine. This is the author. He did cocaine six days a week, ate five times a day

and drank a bottle of whiskey every day. He goes, this is how I like to live. If I live 10 years less, so what? Yeah. He was survived by his fifth wife of 16 years. Wow. Oh yeah, I'm not surprised at all. The first book, the books are many years between installments.

So in the first book, the character, it's like a Hunter S. Thompson book. The character's doing so many drugs constantly. And the drugs are, and drinking, and the drugs and drink are impairing him so much. And that's such a part of the book. Is he too drunk now to fight these guys like And it's so funny. It's it's it is a great series of books that I'm really enjoying Oh, I gotta get into that because I love like the I love like um, what's the name?

There's you know, we're like the Parker books or all the Dashiell Hammett stuff But like yes, by the way, you know, Shane Black is doing Parker. Oh, I didn't know that. Oh, that's interesting. With Mark Wahlberg, interesting choice. Mark Wahlberg, a unsuccessful version, I would say of Spencer. I just started rewatching both Spencer for Hire and Rockford Files, both of which are available

on Amazon Prime, incredible. I am, I was trying to reboot Rockford F, both of which are available on Amazon Prime, incredible. I was trying to reboot Rockford files forever. And then it was gonna go to Vince Vaughn, which I actually thought was a great idea. And yeah, and it's just a friend. They made it with Dermot Mulrooney. They made it with Dermot Mulrooney. Wait, did they?

Oh yeah. I didn't know that. Oh my gosh. So my friend got hired to redo the Rockford files again. Spencer for hire Rockford magnum. These are all like Fletch. Fletch is the one that to me I'm like they made the Matola and Ham made the the streaming one that I really enjoyed. I thought that was great. But oh yeah, I like that one. I want more of that. Give me those, you know, which should be great. Yeah the way, this thing that you talked about

with Domo Moroni never even aired. You couldn't see, you can't see it. A failed pilot. Oh, funny. Okay. That's like the Maria Bello Prime Suspect, which was another redo that I was like, oh yeah, Prime Suspect.

Yes. Let's do it, you know. Oh, that would be great. And that's the thing. It's like, what is it? Also with Rockford, you know? Oh, that would be great. And that's the thing, it's like, what is it? Also with Rockford, you really need that charming swagger. Like what Magnum has in the Tom Selleck Magnum is such fun and he's so light, he has such a light touch,

that the modern Magnum just doesn't have. You know, the modern Magnum feels like it has more in common with CSI than it does the original Magnum just doesn't have. The modern magnum feels like it has more in common with CSI than it does the original magnum PI. It feels like casework less so detective work, if that makes sense. No, I think that that's totally true. And look, again, I feel like we all want to just jump in

and have these fun little adventures. Again, like you said, it's like, we don't want to get too invested in it. Eight episodes, six episodes. It's fun. We get in and out. I love this new cast list for, uh, poker face season. Really love that show. Absolutely love that show.

That's a show I was, I tried to do a Colombo a bunch of years ago. I wanted to redo Colombo, uh, very hard to figure out and they have crushed it. I think really, I really, yeah, I agree. Uh, just while we're And they have crushed it, I think. Really fantastic. I really, yeah, I agree. Just while we're briefly in books, I know we're moving on, but I will just shout out the incredible singer-songwriter, Nico Case, has a new autobiography called

The Harder I Fight, The More I Love You. And I started the audio book the other day and I'm already 100% in on this book. It's fantastic. Okay, well, I'm gonna talk about this book that I mentioned last time very briefly, but I'll talk about it. The Lorne Michaels book, brand new Lorne Michaels book,

written by somebody at the New Yorker. It is fascinating. Like fascinating in a way that I, look, I've read the backstage history of SNL that was made, you know. The Tom Shales book. But the original one of SNL that was made. You know, the Tom shales book, but the, the, the original one, the one that was like a nice, you know, so there I've read and I, and, and like,

there's a part of me, it's like, well, yeah, I know these stories, but I think there is something, you know, as they are in year 50 and looking back and people really now telling the stories, there's a lot of, I think, less polish in this book in a wonderful way. Like people are honest. And I think it paints a really cool picture of Lauren Michaels for all of his, uh, flaws and for all of his genius. Yeah.

And I think, and it weights them equally. Um, and you could see like, there's a, I think what I've understand from this book is because he authorized it. He's given this person amazing access to follow him. And the way the book is structured, which I love is a week at SNL, Monday through Saturday. And it's broken up like every day has a big chapter, but then in between those days is the history of SNL. So like right now, But then in between those days is the history of SNL. So like right now, I am in Saturday and I am in Dana Carvey Just Left. Like that whole crew just left. Dana Carvey Just Left and you're in show night, Saturday night, right?

Right. So that's like, it's like, give you an idea of like the whole thing. And I will tell you this, Jonah Hill is the host, Maggie Rogers is the musical guest the week that she's embedded. And man, oh man, they do not hesitate to talk shit about the host and the musical guest. And there's a really funny moment in it. Lorne Michaels does not like Maggie Rogers at all.

He is upset that she's on the show. He does not like what she's playing. Now this is granted a while ago. Yeah, yeah, this is- Well, Maggie Rogers was interesting because I believe when she, is this her first SNL appearance, right? Yes, yes, yes. I believe at that time,

like she had been plucked out of an NYU class by like Pharrell or something like that. Yes, exactly. Like she was like literally brand new, you know? Exactly. This is like, you know, this is the episode, Jonah's on there to promote mid-90s. So one of the things that has been really funny is again, and the whole book is like this, but like, I guess, uh, Alec

Baldwin punched somebody, uh, during the week because they were over a parking space in New York city, right? Oh, just like a civilian, like a person. Oh my God. Right. And this is before the movie. And I think it's like, I think it's like, I think it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, punched somebody during the week because they were over a parking space in New York City.

Right? Oh, just like a civilian, like a person. A civilian. Oh my God. Right? And this is before Russ, this is before anything. Yeah, yeah. This is just Alec Baldwin. But not at the studio or something like that. No, no, no. This is him like, and there is a moment where Lauren is sitting around with all of his lieutenants and Tina comes in because they're working on a five timers club sketch and they all just riff and do bits about Alec Baldwin.

But I love it. This person. And it's like, Oh, did everyone forget that this is here? Cause they're like, they're just going, going at it. Like every single one of them is like, you're like just drilling. And it's so... It's just really funny. It's really, really funny.

I mean... Well, that's the stuff that I love, and that's what you do get, I will say, in a lot of the podcast chats, like whether it's Dana Carvey and David Spade's show or the Lonely Island and Seth Meyers podcast. All of these SNL podcasts that are talking, going deep dives into SNL,

they can be a little bit, you know, polite or, you know, a little bit, you know, a party line. But every once in a while, someone tells a story that's absolutely fantastic and so great. I watched all the SNL documentaries, all the SNL that have come out recently. And they were great. But boy, that Questlove one, I thought was fantastic.

Oh, it's amazing. It was absolutely amazing. Really just does the point he's making in it, which is, I think, really fantastic, is this show should be just as much acknowledged for its importance in history, music history, in the last 50 years. Not just comedy history, not just a show. that's what he's kind of saying in it.

You know, he has this thing, which is like, this show broke a lot of huge acts, you know? And I think that that was one of the cool things about that SNL 50, we were talking about it because while it was happening, is like, it just, they celebrated that and gave it its own night because it is its own thing. And those performances, you know, whether it's like Sinead O'Connor

ripping up, you know, the picture of the Pope, you get those moments, but then you also just have like these great bands that would have never gotten play. There's one little part of the book that I really love, which is, um, when Lauren's about to step away for the first time, when he were the only time when he's about to leave, um, he says to the cast, okay, and this is like Bill Murray and Jane Curtin. It's like, let's just like, who do you want us to book on the show? And they just book the randomest assortment of musicians.

Cause like, Oh, I like this blues guy. I would like to bring this. And it's like, and there was a real freedom to that I know Lauren Michaels we were talking about this a couple episodes ago But Lauren Michaels had that other show he produced on NBC was a guys so I can talk about this for forever Yeah, they talk about this in the book too. Yeah. Yeah, so so at a certain point Hal Wilner who is the the musical director of SN, is like a genius like music person in the world, music producer as well, in that time is a producer of like a lot of records that are tributes to

artists. So it'd be like a Thelonious Monk album that is a tribute to Thelonious Monk, but all the people playing it are like staples of the downtown New York jazz scene or the avant-garde improviser scene. He made albums that are interpretations of the music of Walt Disney, the music of Looney Tunes, Thelonious Monk, Harry Partch. He's made incredible albums. So at a certain point, Lorne gets control over Sunday night the same block of time as SNL, 1130 to one. And Hal Willner books it as it is just, it's called night music.

And it's basically what if the whole show was just musical guests? And it's all on YouTube. It's some of the most incredible stuff. My drum teacher used to record it on Sunday nights on a VHS and give it to me. Because the act on any episode, it would be like, Sonic Youth, the Sun Ra Orchestra, like a blues guitarist, you know, and then like, uh, uh, you know, Linda Ronstadt.

It would be incredible pairings. I'm looking at it right here. It's like Eric Clapton playing with like Robert Cray, Lou Reed and John Cale with Harry Connick Jr. and Paul Schaeffer, you know, like. It's the first time that like the Pixies are on TV. It's the first time that all these huge younger bands are given a chance to be on TV. Bob Weir and Warren Zvon, so good.

Night music, a lot of it's on YouTube and I cannot recommend it enough. I've talked about it here before, but it is exceptional television. It is. I love it. Especially if you like an artist, look up if they were ever on night music because boy is it satisfying.

And there's a great collection of them all on Brooklyn Vegan. If you just type in Brooklyn Vegan. Oh, great. Night music. And while we're on music, let me just shout out two big music things. One of which is absolutely my favorite working band,

Destroyer, singer-songwriter Dan Behar. New album coming out at the end of the month, going on tour. Three songs are up, absolutely incredible. Incredible songs, can't be, can't recommend Destroyer enough. And then one of my absolute favorite bands, long-standing, long-running bands,

Oneida from New York, have put out a new record and they're touring and they are, I'm gonna shout it out because they have not played live in LA in I think like 14 or 15 years. And they're playing March 22nd at the Lodge Room and I could not be more thrilled. This is a band that demands to be seen live. They are incredible and have one of the absolute best drummers in the world, John Kolpitz, aka Kid Millions, just crushing.

I can't wait. All right, Jason, we will be back soon to talk about more things that we love. Thank you, Jason, for chatting with me. But now it's finally time to announce our next movie. All right, we're going to be going from doppelgangers to the answers. I'm sorry. I didn't have a better rhyme for that. Next week, we are watching the 2024 JLo film. This is me dot dot dot now. That's right. Is it a music video? Is it a movie? It's only 63 minutes now. That's right. Um, is it a music video?

Is it a movie? It's only 63 minutes. So there's that here's a short breakdown of the plot. This is me now. A love story is nothing like you've ever seen from Jennifer Lopez. Jennifer has created a narrative driven cinematic Odyssey steeped in mythological storytelling and personal healing. This genre bending Amazon original showcases her journey

to love through her own eyes with fantastical costumes, breathtaking choreography, star studded cameos. Oh yeah, the cameos are gonna fucking knock your socks off. This panorama is an introspective retrospective of Jennifer's resilient heart. Wow, that is a great write-up. All right, Rotten Tomatoes gives this film a 75 on the tomato meter.

Movie critic and my co-host on the Unspooled podcast, Amy Nicholson says, "'This movie is a fun, short, experimental film. It's a very self-mocking and open film. I found it endearing. And you know what? I gotta say, Amy, I agree. I kind of loved it. It's insane, but it's also just fucking great. Of all the stuff that we watch, more of this. It's like Megalopolis in a way, but like only 63 minutes. Um, here's what I'll say. It's on Amazon. You can watch it. Here's the trailer.

I know what they say about me. About hopeless romantics. That we're weak. And I'm not weak. You must respect the ed and flow of the universe. All right, that's a trailer. You can watch it on Amazon Prime. I don't know if you can get this at Hoopla or Canopy or Libby. I don't know. Try, maybe.

But people, it's a fun one to watch. Check it out. And by the way, if you are interested in Unspooled, we did a great Oscars breakdown, but that's now in the past. But this week we are battling, what is the best movie of 2005? Because the question always is, will anyone remember who won these Academy Awards

in 20 years? And we go back to 2005 and go, what movie actually has the most like longevity Not what the best movie is but like what created the biggest ripples and I'll tell you One of the movies that got into the finals. I am shocked That I that I got behind anyway, that is it for last looks If you listen to us on Apple podcast or Spotify, please rate and review us Please also make sure you are following us and have automatic downloads turned on.

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