How Did This Get Made? - Last Looks: Hypnotic & Sleepover

Episode Date: July 21, 2023

Jason & Paul relive their Joni Mitchell concert experience, Paul digs into corrections and omissions from both Hypnotic & Sleepover, shares a bonus scene from the Hypnotic live show, and announces next week's movie. PAUL & JASON’S JONI MITCHELL PICKS:Both Sides Now - Live at The Isle of Wight Festival 1970Shadows and Light (Joni Mitchell live album)Joni Mitchell At NewportJoni Mitchell Archives HDTGMis going on tour in August! Buy tix at hdtgm.comFollow Paul on Letterboxd https://letterboxd.com/paulscheer/HDTGM Discord: discord.gg/hdtgmPaul’s Discord: https://discord.gg/paulscheerCheck out Paul and Rob Huebel live on Twitch (https://www.twitch.tv/friendzone) every Thursday 8-10pm ESTSubscribe to The Deep Dive with Jessica St. Clair and June Diane Raphael here: listen.earwolf.com/deepdiveSubscribe to Unspooled with Paul and Amy Nicholson here: listen.earwolf.com/unspooledCheck out The Jane Club over at www.janeclub.comCheck out new HDTGM merch over at https://www.teepublic.com/stores/hdtgmWhere to find Jason, June & Paul:@PaulScheer on Instagram & Twitter@Junediane on IG and @MsJuneDiane on TwitterJason is not on Twitter

Johnny Mitchell, safety deposit box keys, and what the hell does Plush mean? All this and more on a brand new How did this get made? Last looks, places everybody plush division actors. I'm your host, Paul Sheer, and welcome to this special, super sized edition of How To This Get Made. Last looks. That's right. It's super sized because we took a little bit of a hiatus over the July fourth week.

And today, I'm going gonna address your issues on both Hypnotic and sleepover. That's right. This is our barbieheimer. We are combining two very diverse Movies and gonna talk about them here on the show by the way. I don't get all the talk about the barbieheimer Like I get it in a general sense, but I feel like we don't have that much to talk about that we're so excited or weird out about how to watch these movies. We have such an allegiance to both things. Here is a clip I want to play for you. Tom Cruise being asked this question on a press line for his own movie, which movie he was going to see first. Everyone's buying tickets for their own movies. I know we want to save movie theaters, but truly it's gone out of hand.

Listen to Tom Cruise have a little bit of a meltdown. Are you going to watch Bobby or Oppenheimer first? Oh yeah, no. If you had to choose one because there's a bit of a debate. What's great is you're going to see both on the weekend. I think it's like, you know, I am quite decided. It'll probably be like Oppenheimer first and then Barbie, I think. I think it's like you want, like Oppenheimer is going to be on a Friday.

Do you know what I mean? And then you can go, I'll probably see it in the afternoon. You want that packed audience. And then I want to see Barbie right afterwards with the packed audience. So Friday is like, you know, I used to plan my days where you start out early in the morning and you go to movies all day and I like doing that. You know, and I'd go from one cinnamon to the next and I'm going to do that. So I'm going to see them both, both opening day.

That's good advice. I feel like in that clip, Tom Cruise was trying to say, oh, I want to see Oppenheimer first because it's going to bump me out and then Barbie's going to lift me up. But I feel like he caught himself in the middle of that and then tried to basically say he was going to watch one with his right eye and one with his left eye simultaneously. Anyway, I don't mean to take any shots on the great cinema choices that we have, even though we are on strike right now. That's right, writers, actors.

We are on strike. We may have some changes to the show, but nothing that you probably will notice. So I probably shouldn't even have mentioned it, but if we are talking about changes, there's a big one that just happened and has nothing to do with anything I just talked about. Stitcher premium is gone. It's done. And it's a shock to me as much as it probably is to you. A lot of people have been asking, well, what do I do? I will pay for your back catalog and I'm just gonna say, we don't know what we're gonna do yet. What we are planning on doing is opening up a lot more episodes that are available right now.

We're still gonna do our Mat name Mondays and we want you to voice what episodes you wanna hear in those Mat name Mondays. We're not gonna pull out the entire catalog just yet. We have to figure out a plan. We are caught and now we're gonna figure it out. I don't know what we're gonna do, but when I do, I will tell you what the plan is.

Now, enough about that. Besides talking about hypnotic and sleepover, we also are going to go deep because Jason, June and I, we took a weekend together. We didn't go on tour. We didn't do anything, but we all went up to see Joni Mitchell in her first ticketed event in over 20 years. It was magical.

Jason and I will talk about that amazing weekend. And we're going to talk about next week's movie. Plus we have an exclusive bonus scene, which we will play at the end of the episode. But first things first a big shout out to Andy Jacob for that amazing theme song. Thank you Andy. We love these songs. If you have a last looks theme song send it to how did this get made at your wolf dot

com but look you've been short 15 20 seconds live in that world, brevity, soul of wit. Anyway, just a heads up, we are going on tour. New Jersey, I'm looking at you. We added that date late. We're gonna be in Red Bank, New Jersey. Tell your friends, tell your family. We might even have a very special guest. If what I'm working on comes through, oh boy,

you're not gonna want to miss it. We also have a special guest on our first night in Boston. And I'm gonna say this person is a how did this get made all star. So every night is a great night. Limited tickets are available. I think that we're almost at 97% at every theater. So so close to selling out, but there are still just a few seats left everywhere. But New Jersey, I'm looking at you, red bank, get the word out. Tell your friends, come

on people. You're down at the Jersey Shore. Come go see how did this get made. They're a bunch of good kids. Anyway, let's get into it during our last two episodes. We talked that length about hypnotic and sleep over. We had questions and we might have even missed a few things. Here's your chance to set a straight fact. Check us if you will. It is now time for corrections and omissions. Hit the theme! I love this name. Thank you. Brash, Manashery for that great tune. First up, let's talk about hypnotic. We're not gonna be so scattered

that I'll just go back and forth between hypnotic and sleep over questions. That would be confusing. We're going to focus first on the Ben Affleck, Robert Rodriguez film hypnotic, a film that according to Discord user, Bubble Alchemist should have had the tagline. You actually really like this movie.

I guess I like it. Anyway, thank you, bubble alchemist for that alt tagline. Let's go to the discord GT75 rights as a banker. The robbery scene was driving me nuts. Safe deposit boxes require two keys to open. There's a guard key, which the bank employees have and use with all deposit boxes. And then there is a customer key for each box that only the customer has when the box gets rented out. Stealing a manager's keys would have been useless for Ben Affleck. Short of breaking into the client's home to steal the customer key, there would be no way for that seller to steal the box.

I know it's a construct, but it is one. the client's home to steal the customer key. There would be no way for that seller to steal the box. I know it's a construct, but it is one that could not have taken place at all. Well, I guess what you're saying is GT 75, the memory writers, the construct builders, were shitty writers. They didn't do their research. They didn't do their Nolan-esque research

into how a bank works. And I guess on top of that, Ben Affleck is dumb enough to just go along with it. Anyway, chunk style, that's Mitch Kappa writes, since the construct starts out with Ben Affleck thinking they're in Austin, then they flee to Mexico. Does that mean in reality, they had to drive around in circles in a golf cart for four hours,

and did the hypnotics give aflex and braga some sort of privacy when they hooked up or did the hypnotics watch like purrs from that balcony. Oh, Mitch, you know that everyone was watching that hook up. I mean, it's gross. I mean, they're hypnotics. That's how they get off, you know, they get off by watching. That is like their only fans setting up a construct and watching people fuck is hypnotics only fans. It's a part of the movie that they really want to get in there, but they ran out of time. I'm so sorry. Sean McBeer writes, the inherent flaw with the entire movie is that what the division wants is for Ben Affleck to figure out who Lev Delrain

is. So the division constructs a scenario in which they tell him that William Fickner is Lev Delrain. Then rather than looking for the actual location of his daughter, he spends his time in the scenario looking for William Fickner. Furthermore, if they don't want him to realize that he's a hypnotic, why introduce a concept of hypnotics in the scenario at all? Why not have a straightforward mystery for him to solve around figuring out Lev Delrain, which totally sounds like a normal and real name that a human person would have without any of the division hypnotic stuff.

Yes, you're right. Why not just say, here is a clue that we have. It's a picture of a missing girl. It says Lev Delrain, what does that mean? God. This movie is dumb anyway let's go to the phones Mike from San Diego. Hey Paul, June and Jason love everything you do this is Mike from San Diego, originally El Segundo. There's an obvious connection that nobody talked about about hypnotic and your first quarantine

movie blood shot. They're basically the same movie both protagonist or under a simulation by an evil corporation to do their bidding. You know, Vin is trying to, he thinks he's trying to find the person who killed his wife, but really he's bumping off, guy guy pierces competition and then ackin you know trying to find his uh... hidden daughter anyway thought it was a great

uh... connection or a mission that was no one brought up uh... thanks but they're thinking you are exactly right i you know look i love vandesal and i think vandesal did great there's been a lot of movies that have similar plots, but if you asked me to describe the movie blood shot,

I would not have remembered it at all. You brought it all back to me. Wow, look at that, look at that drafting off blood shot. I remember blood shot was like the first movie that came out straight to VOD during COVID and everyone bought it. Everyone was like, yeah, baby.

Bloodshot. And you're like, oh, okay, it could have. It could have been something. That in Wonder Woman 84 really, really were blows to the system. It's like, oh, I get access to this stuff, but it's not good. It's not good. Anyway, so many great hypnotic corrections and omissions, but coming up after the break, we've got more questions, more comments, more concerns about sleepover stick around.

Or welcome back people. Before we get into the sleepover last look, let me just tell you, I'm a part of this amazing organization called the Union Solidarity Coalition. Like I mentioned, Hollywood is on strike right now, and the people that are not going to be affected by our new contracts once they finally happen are our crew members. That's right, Teamster and IOTC brothers and sisters who have stood with us in solidarity are going to lose their healthcare because they are not getting the hours to work because all productions are shut down.

So me and a group of people got together to form the Union Solidarity Coalition, which is going to try to find some Union Solidarity and raise some money for people affected by the strike. We just had an event last weekend where we raised over $195,000. $195,000 for our IOTC and Team Star crew. And now we're continuing to raise money by starting an amazing auction. This auction is a celebrity auction like no other. You can have Nick Crowe call you in the voice of one of your favorite characters.

I will pick your fantasy draft order. You can go on a walk with June Diane Rayfield. You can eat corn dogs with Brett Gellman from Stranger Things. He plays Murray. You can get a vase from Seth Rogen's smoke weed with Woody Harrelson. Justing Bateman has products that she's knitted. Lena Dunham has a quilted bikini up there. There are so many great things. If you're a fan of the Arrowverse, you know, the CW show Arrow, Mark Guggenheim, we'll do an hour long Zoom with you. Maggie Gyllenhaal is going to do a Zoom. Weird Ali Yank of McDaniel, Rackliff, all these people have given up such great stuff, not to mention autographs, Spider-Man posters and space ball posters. It is truly a wealth of great

great stuff and a hundred percent of the proceeds go to the motion picture television fund healthcare so we can take care of our crew members who stand in solidarity with us now back to the show. All right welcome back we've left hypnotic in the past time to delve into corrections and omissions for the movie sleepover, a movie that according to discord user Anna Smithsonian could have had the tagline of sleepover, colon, not police approved. Uh, okay. Uh, if y'all remember, please approve. That was the, the, uh, the dating site that the girls were on

where they had to police approve dating site. Anyway, thank you, Anna Smithsonian, for that alt tagline. Let's go to the Discord, Daniel, what do you got? So many of the cringey moments from the film were talked about in this episode, but there was one I noticed that went unmentioned. When the girls arrive at the high school dance,

one of the teachers gets on stage and makes this announcement. Almost time for the big dance contest, and remember, anything goes. So just pretend that Mrs. Withers and I aren't here. What is with the creepy teachers in this town? You're right. I didn't even think about that.

That's so bizarre. That's like milk money, bizarre. I remember what happened in milk money at that end dance with Terence Stamp and Melanie Griffith. These kids, no wonder footloos came out. They need to control these kids. Dancing is evil. Dennis C. Abrams, right?

Our hosts, oh our hosts, very formal Dennis. Our hosts talked about the barefootness in the skateboarding, but not the barefoot downhill high speed skateboarding. How could she have stopped or slowed down that skateboard without losing all the skin on her feet? Dennis Abrams, you are so right. That's our die hard moment. That's why we get connected to that character because our feet are all torn up.

We, you know what, we all want to sleep over, but we all know that you'll do anything to get it, and one of the things you'll do is rip off the bottom, soles of your feet. Also, maybe she's just super fucking callous. Maybe she just wears two tight shoes. Maybe she wasn't affected at all, and that's a whole other movie. Anyway, Dr. Guts, 1003 rights, perhaps. This was included in Paul's timeline and not just mentioned in the episode, but from the moment Jane Lynch leaves the

house for the night, it is pitch black outside. The movie takes place in June. There should still be some sunlight until 9 9 30. Well, Dr. Guts, I think you're wrong. I think you're wrong because that may just be where you live, not like just in general, 9, 9, 30. I don't think it's not, and not right out here in LA at 9, 9, 30. Somebody fact check that, not me. All right, let's go to the phones. First up, Juliana from New York.

Hi, Paul. This is Juliana from New York, but I also traveled all the way to New Orleans to see your show, The Heart Target Show. Love it. I had a question because Leapover is one of my favorite movies. I watched it when I was a kid. I think I was around eight when it came out and I thought if you would ask me then,

I would have told you with a perfect movie. I rewatched it before the show and obviously I realized it was not. It was very corny, but I did have a couple questions. First of all, what is clutch? I mean, I never heard that term in the 2000s and also I only associate that with mattresses. So I thought that was odd.

And second of all, did no one else think it was crazy that the fact that he could showed up in the tree house? First of all, how how he get up there because that thing like collapsed on top of the house and second of all I just thought of the little odd and crazy but anyway thanks so much love the show can't wait to see the New York show I'm very excited and thanks. Well Giuliana I don't mean, plush, the way that I've heard it referred to could be like thick, but if I look online, plush also means, and this is the slang term,

smart, comfortable, expensive. All right, so that feels more more in line, right? So plush could also be like hot, awesome fat, cool dope, slick, ill, neat, good, soft and fluffy, stuffed animal, or stuffed toy, or just a nice way of saying a larger person. So there you go. That's what they say. I like plush as being expensive. I feel like that feels like in the tone of the film.

All right, wow. So many great corrections and emissions this week, but they're gonna only be one that is the best. And boy, oh boy, two different movies, two different things I have to think about. So many great ones, but you know what? I think the winner is simple. I think the winner is easy for me to pick,

and that is of course gonna be Sean McBee. Sean McBee, this theme is for you. You win, you win, you win, nothing at all. But you're still cool. The reason why Sean won is because he brought up the smartest point. If you're trying to make somebody forget that they are hypnotic, don't remind them they're hypnotic. Anyway, thank you, John Wenzel, for that theme. Thank you to Sean McBe for that observation.

And now I'm going to tell you something to do, because if you want to get in on this, if you want to get a theme like that made for you, we'll just go to our discord at discord.gg slash httgm or call me at 619 Paul ask that 619 Paul asked not Paul asked. That is a private line that I'm using a lot more now because of the strike. You can submit all taglines, try and move your own thoughts, whatever you want to do,, and 619, Paul, ask. Coming up, Jason and I will chat about having the time of our lives seeing Joni Mitchell, plus I will reveal next week's movie,

and at the very end of the show, I'm gonna share an exclusive deleted scene from our hypnotic episode, so stick around. Let's just get me. All right, welcome back. Just reminder, every single week week we are releasing an old episode from the vault. There is no vault anymore or no access to the vault anymore. So now it's up to you to help us pick what you want to hear on Matt name Monday. Head to our discord.

Tell us on social whatever we're going to give you the best of the best. But last week we had a replay of one of my favorite episodes, Teen Witch, with special guest, Deanna Chang. So keep on checking out those replays every Monday. Now, you probably heard us mention in the sleepover episode that we saw Joni Mitchell right before the movie and it kind of affected us while watching it. So Jason and I sat down the chat about this amazing concert and a lot more. Tom McWaters, play us in to just chat. We're gonna have ourselves a conversation just chat. No quarantine or

vaccination just chat. All in Jason, a couple of cats just chat just chat just chat You be the boo boo boo boo boo boo boo boo boo boo Jason it's been a few weeks and here we are here we are once again we haven't talked about this on the show but you and I experienced a night unlike any other. I don't even know. Here's what I'll say. I would love to talk about this. To talk about it without June is going to infuriate June. I know.

I know. We should do a last looks about the fact that we saw, we went to Seattle and we saw Joni Mitchell play live at the Gorge Ampitheater, which was stunning. It is unbelievable. The venue is unbelievable. It is like a concert venue on the edge of the Grand Canyon. It's fucking absolutely gobsmackingly, disgustingly gorgeous. Oh, man, alive.

It was stunning. I was really just basking in the glow. And for people who don't know, this is the first ticketed Joni Mitchell concert in over 20 years, right? Joni Mitchell had an aneurysm in, I think, 2016 or 2015 and was in decline and then has kind of through rehabilitation kind of been coming out of it.

And Brandy Carlisle, the artist Brandy Carlisle, has really been kind of, I feel like, you know, engaging in these jam days, these jam sessions where a lot of, you know, cool people go over to Johnny's house and they all just play music together and then Johnny joins in. And so, and I think a lot of people probably saw about a year ago, maybe two years ago, the Newport Jazz Festival, this was the first kind of public outing of Joni Mitchell

in a long time. She came out on stage with this grouping of people and performed with Brandy Carlyle, and it was awesome. It was incredible. It was incredible. It was a surprise appearance. That was the other thing.

It was a surprise appearance. And, and, and, you know, like you said, Joni hadn't been seen in years. And that in and of itself was this huge thing. And so then they announced they were going to do this, this concert. And it was the same set up a jam. And it was, you know, Brandy Carlisle was kind of facilitating it

along with a lot of the people in her band. And then I left Brandy Carlisle fan. Like I went in going, I know her and she's, I like her, she's fine. Like not fine, but I didn't have an opinion solidly. I just like, oh yeah, I know that some songs and that's great, but I left a massive. Oh yeah.

I went to the night prior. You guys weren't there the night prior, the night before the Joni concert at the Gorge was a Brandy Carlisle concert, just Brandy Carlisle and her band, as well as some of the special guests that joined for the Joni concert as well, joined Brandy on Friday night. And that was Annie Lennox there. Annie Lennox was there. Annie Lennox. Yeah. Wow. Annie Lennox. Wow. What control of that instrument? Annie Lennox came in

both nights and just demolished. She was so good. Demolished in a way that, look, everyone is singing. Everyone is up on this. It was again, one of the most impressive things I've ever seen. I am pretty positive that you'll all be able to see it because I believe Cameron Crow captured it. There was, I counted seven at least cameras on it. I saw Cameron Crowe there so okay I saw four drones yes like capturing it yeah now how were your seats oh they were good I was in like the front center kind of you know so so good we were on that we were a little bit on the side but down low there it was great but Annie Len Annie Lennox. It was cool. It was Annie Lennox, because the other thing that was cool,

and I shouldn't have told you, that was the mistake I made. On Friday night, Brandy Carlisle brought out both Annie Lennox and Sarah McLaughlin, both of whom sang their own songs with Brandy's band, which was also great. But on Saturday night, I wish I hadn't told you that Annie Lennox and Sarah McLaughlin

had played the night before because they would have then been surprises to you on Saturday night because it was so fun when they just showed up. But it was Annie Lennox singing ladies of the canyon. And then Sarah McLaughlin playing piano and singing blue was just incredible. First of all, can I just say one thing about Sarah McLaughlin? How does she look younger than she looked in 90s? Marry me, Sarah McLaughlin. Why was like her tendrils were stealing the show?

She was, and she was like a little whistler. The first night she came out, because again, totally a surprise, unannounced, Came bounding from side stage barefoot and just came out and sang Sarama Gloklin songs. Like, it was great, but she sang blue beautifully. I mean, just, I mean, everybody just got up there and I will say this and you are much more of a connoisseur of music.

I enjoyed what I saw at the Newport Jazz Festival. It was amazing, but I will say the difference between Joni Mitchell at Newport and what we saw on Saturday at the Gorge was night and day. I feel like I was below where by the time. She was being a rascal. She was telling stories. She was talking, telling stories about Bob Dylan and Van Morrison.

She was doing jokes. She had print stories, went, oh, Wendy and Lisa were both there and told great, they told great stories about being in Princess Band and I loved the story that prints hired Wendy and Lisa because when he heard them play, they sounded like Joni Mitchell and I loved the story that Prince hired Wendy and Lisa because when he heard them play, they sounded like Joni Mitchell. And he loved Joanne. In a way, they were telling stories about how important Joni was to Prince.

You know, and that was cool. The fact that she told the story about Prince coming over to her house, sitting at her piano, and starting to play a song, and Joni's like, what's that? Yeah. And he's like, it's a case of you. And she's like, oh, yeah. Like she, she had the energy of the most rascally grandma that you've ever had. Like to the point where it's sometimes it

was a little bit nervous. Like, is she going to say something that she shouldn't be saying? But she was fully in control, mischievous. All of the funnily mischievous. And that's the different. And her voice, she's saying, like, because her voice is not as good as it has been in years past. It's changed. Her voice changed absolutely.

Her voice changed just in general. From the high alto that she had during the folk days, she even changed it through drinking and smoking purposefully. She always wanted to sound like a have a deeper voice. So even when you go from, you know, like ladies of the canyon to Hedgera or Don Juan's reckless daughter, that's two different voices. Never mind then, turbulent end to go and the albums later into the 80s and 90s, even different voice. People are mad at me because I made them play twisted on the way to the venue, which is like when she's doing like, the way twisted sounds, it almost is little bit. But, I know that. But, I know that.

My analyst told me that I was right out of my head. The way described it, he said I'd be better dead. And it's great. It's a great song. It's, you know, it's, but you realize like how much she has done in different ways. But the voice is saying. Her voice this weekend sounded so much stronger than it did at Newport so much so,

because you've got people, there's so much, the duo Lucius was there, the two singers Lucius. And a lot of times if you watched Brandy or Lucius or other people were doubling Joni's voice, we're not doubling it subtly doubling it to you know to to fill out Regioni was missing pieces or was joining it. She would kind of come in and out But then Johnny just solo saying summertime and

It was incredible. She sang a number of songs on her own and just was, it was devastating. As somebody who does live events like yourself, I am always impressed by how people put together a live show. And this is a live show that has a lot of question marks to it because obviously they're going to tape it. They want to it right, because the Newport Jazz Festival, I think was a surprise appearance. They weren't really prepared for it, even though they were releasing an album for it. And I feel like Cameron Crowe set her up

for such success. Totally. Because the way that it was built and structured was if Joni was at 60%, it would still be 100% concert. You know, like there was an energy to it that she didn't even need to be there because everything around it was built to be this other thing. It wasn't modeling, it wasn't sad, it was fun, it was happy, it was light.

But what I got out of watching that and Brandy Carlyle, a great emcee throughout the whole thing, like a justing's throughout the entire festival, but was that Joni at points were pushing off people, almost like the idea of like, oh, let's, let's help you stand. I got it. I got it. And, and so much so that you can almost see certain people like, oh, wow, we weren't expecting you to jump in as much as you were. Yeah.

She's willing-bullshit, man. Like, Joni is no bullshit and was like, was back to that, yeah, like you said, that rascally no bullshit vibe and was like there to like have a great time. And she looks like I kept being like, she's having so much fun. Yes. You can see how much fun she's having even even when she wasn't singing when when like when the artist's Salise who was who was who sang and played guitar. You just Joni watching Salise was incredible like Joni was Joni you know like we've mentioned a

number of people but there is even more Blake Mills I think Unsung hero of the night. Oh yeah. Playing Johnny's guitar. Marcus Mufford on percussion, Matt Chamberlain, like one of my all-time favorite drummers in the whole world, Matt Chamberlain, unbelievable when he showed up at Brandy Carlyle set on Friday, I was like, shit, that's Matt Chamberlain. Incredibly, incredibly, incredible band.

I needed you nearby because I, like I spent the rest of the night googling everybody up there. Oh yeah, I'll tell you the one person I walked away with, uh, with a real love for and I even texted you about this. But the whole night is, it's a journey concert where people are leading the way kind of doing covers their own versions of it. Sometimes she's joining in, sometimes she's watching.

She's also very active throughout the entire thing. But the one thing about this night is while it is a jam, everything that they're covering is primarily Joni songs or songs that Joni wants to do. Yes. Love potion number nine. Yeah. Or young at heart, right? Oh, Joni's to do. Yes. Love potion number nine. Yeah. Or young at heart. Oh, right.

Joni's doing young at heart. Really wrecked me. It is the truth that happened to you. You're young at heart. Oh, yeah. Or it's hard. You will find to be there of mine. If you're young and hard.

Oh, it was amazing. Now, we get to about mid-show. And Annie Lennox has performed, right? Just brought down the house. And then we throw to a man named Rick. A man named Rick who was an Ageless man who, if you told me he was just at a college or just going into a retirement home, I would say, why not? Yes, and why not?

And, and, and, Joni was like, I don't want Rick to do one of my numbers. He's an emerging artist, and I want him to do one of his own numbers. And it was, and I was like, ooh, I wonder what this is going to be. And he killed it. He killed it. He killed it.

But it was, it's like, you know, what if you're one song? You know, he's like, I guess like, one of the, he's one of, he's a friend of Johnny's. He plays it all, because they do these jams at Johnny's house. Like, I don't know, a couple of times a year, a monthly or something like that, I'm not sure how often, but, and he's a mainstay of those things. And for him to though come out,

and he's not a, it's not a name that you would know, he's not a recognizable artist. Rick Whitfield, is his name. He's got, he's got two albums on Spotify. One is a Christmas album. Oh, well. And one is another album he released a while ago. But imagine like your smokehouse.

Yeah, exactly. Imagine you're used to playing the smokehouse, which is like a steakhouse restaurant here in LA. And then you are playing for 27,000 people at the gorge. Your original song. Your own song? No, meanwhile, every song, big yellow taxi, sex kills, like all these songs are being played and everyone is so in and it's like,

hey, we're gonna do an original and it's so clearly like, Joni's want because she loves this guy. Oh yeah. And I loved, I just loved that. I loved it. I loved that vibe because I think at the end of the night, what I really took away from that event was anyone could have been there.

Everyone probably wanted to be there. But because they kept it to people like Wendy and Lisa and this crew this World that she's created they really captured The spirit of the jam so it like there's another version of this where you just rotate in another famous person another famous person Another famous person, but they kept They really kept the core. I think truly the only two people that were outsiders of that entire group were Sarah McGlockland and Annie Lennox. Totally.

And I was so glad that this, it wasn't, okay, and that's such a good point. And just to piggyback on it, I'm so glad this didn't feel like a tribute to Joni Mitchell. Exactly. Like here we all are. We're all going to sing Joni Mitchell songs in front of her. It was no, this is a Joni Mitchell. Exactly. Like here we all are. We're all gonna sing Joni Mitchell songs in front of her. It was no, this is a Joni Mitchell concert, but everybody who's on stage, the band, are also going to be showcased, you know, and yes, Annie Lannix and Sarah Muglock and saying their own interpretations of Joni songs, but like Brandy Carlisle didn't even sing her own Johnny song.

You know, a lot of this grew out of, this is a bunch of years ago, maybe five or six years ago, Brandy Carlisle performed all of blue as a concert. All of Johnny Mitchell's blue as a concert. And so I saw Brandy Carlisle here at the palladium, I don't know, in 2018 or 2019 probably, and she played a couple of songs from Blue, and it was incredible. And I was like, whoa, this is next level. You know that, a side note, you know that Brandy Carlisle is incredible. I love it because now that you're a new fan, I really love Brandy Carlisle. She's done all this jony stuff.

She has also been singing with and is actively trying to get Sound Garden to go on tour with her as their lead singer, the remaining members of Sound Garden. She's played live with them. I think once or twice, she's played with all of the band, but with just like a couple of songs, I think at a festival at something like that. I'm not sure if I have all these details right, so forgive me if I'm getting something wrong, but I know that she wants to, she wants to front some version of Soundguard, which I think would be incredible. That would be fantastic. I think what I really appreciate sometimes too. And, you know,

I think that there was such a period of time that I grew up where bands were too cool to kind of communicate with the audience a little bit. Sure. I've seen more of it lately, and I really feel like she put on a show that really brought you in. And in a way, like she described the show, I love this. I think about this a lot. She was like, tonight you're going to see, you know, when you shake a snow globe and

you, and you see the snow falling down around a house and you look in the windows and you wonder like, what's going on in those windows? Like, that's what you're going to see. Like, we're creating that. And I feel like that was the vibe. It felt so homey and small. Like, there are certain people on that stage that are just friends of Joni, one guy who I think might be your boyfriend, another older woman who just seems to be a friend.

They're not singing, they're not doing anything. They're just around. They have pictures of her dogs on stage. It was just, it was really, really cool. And it was so good that when I said to Jim, you know, she's actually playing in Germany in October, Jim's like, I think we should go. I would go. I mean, that would be amazing. Yeah, but it was, it really go. I would go. I mean, that would be amazing.

Yeah, but it was, it really was. I love that it's like, it's not just, we're honoring this person or like I said, a tree beauty or a dead one. Yeah, it wasn't Muddland. It felt very alive. It felt very exciting and vibrant and alive. And it felt like from a place of what I liked about Brandy Carlisle in this regard and also kind of the sound garden thing is, I love to your point, it's not, she's not so cool as to not be a vocal fan of things.

Yes. And that's what I love. You know, like she is out there championing all of these other artists, you know, and that's what's, and giving everybody their due and making sure everybody gets showcased and everybody, like there's just something very, there's a generosity to it that feels really impressive. And I think that's the case,

for a lot of musicians and bands. Now I don't think it says as competitive or as like fuck them, it's us kind of the vibes of the the older generations of rock acts and stuff. No, yeah. There's something really, really amazing about like, we're there because we're fans and they're there because they're fans, like, right? Like it's like, it felt like, what I, if you, if you YouTube, there's a great video of Joni playing Coyote, one of my favorite songs off of my absolute favorite album

of all time, Hedgera. In, I think it's in Roger McGuin's house from the Birds. He's there. She's playing it in front of Bob Dylan, who's just kind of like nervously watching her. And it's like, it reminded me of Bob Dylan who's just kind of like nervously watching her. And it's like it reminded me of what I know of those Laurel Canyon days when everybody from Zappa to the monkeys to Joni to Crosby Stills Nash,

you know, Peter Torque, they would all be, you know, the mamas and the poppers, they all lived in the canyon and they would all go to each other's houses and jam. And that feels, and the video I'm talking about on YouTube feels like that. And that's what Saturday night felt like. Well, let's end this last looks by kind of highlighting some things. If you are engaged by this, I know there's a great documentary about the Laurel Canyon music

scene, right? There it is. Yes, but there's two of them. The one that I think is, that I like more is a two-parter, and it documents that whole scene, and it's really very good. The other one that I don't like as much is the Jacob Dylan one from the Wall Flowers. He assembles like... But that's ill-assound track.

Yes. He assembles like Beck and a lot of contemporary artists to talk about... Right. And there is a lot of talking about the Laurel Canyon scene and how impactful and important it was to the musicians of that generation. And so you see it's a little bit more modern people interpreting that stuff and talking about how important and impactful it was for them. That was a little bit more modern people interpreting that stuff and talking about how important and impactful it was for them.

That was a little less interesting to me. The one I loved is the other one that I think is called, is it called Laurel just Laurel Canyon? It might just be called Laurel Canyon. I can. I'm looking at it right now. Oh, good. Oh, yeah.

And this one's called Laurel Canyon. The official trailer is on YouTube. It's made by Madman Films, which seems about right. Yeah, it this one's called Laurel Canyon. The official trailer is on YouTube. It's made by Madman Films, which seems about right. Yeah, it's fantastic. That one, I really, I loved that movie. There's also, if you want to go down the rabbit hole of live, Joni performances,

there is a, she put out a, a release that is the entirety of the Isle of White concert that is 1970 and is fantastic. And the one that I really love is Shadows and Light, is what it is, Shadows and Light. And that has like Jocco and Pat Muthini and it's a fucking, the band is incredible, it's late, I think it's 79 or 1980.

I can't remember what year, but it's an absolute murderers row in terms of the band. And it's a great show. And I think almost all of it is on YouTube. And that's really incredible. As well as there are just, there's a treasure trove on YouTube of like, Joni Mitchell live on the Dick Cavit Show. Joni Mitchell live on this show. And it's, you are, you can chart the progress of Joni

from Canadian television in the late 60s, all the way through to like, now, you know, because people have put up YouTube videos, have already been putting up YouTube videos from Saturday night. It is amazing. And you can also, speaking of like YouTube videos, you were talking about Brandy Carlyle and Soundgarden. Oh yeah.

There's plenty of it. Oh, is that what you have? Oh, I've been. Oh, I've been. Oh, I've been. You know, you have her searching with my good eye closed. You know, there are things and she has said in Rolling Stone, like you said, she wants to be Sound Gardens new singer.

Yeah. I love that. What would you recommend to me as somebody who is now getting into Brandy Carlyle? Like, where should I go? Or do you have any recommendations for me? You know, I would just, I mean, just, she doesn't have, like, you can just dig in.

Obviously, the last couple of albums have been hugely impactful, but I think Brandy Carla has been making great music forever. So I think just roam around and find stuff. I love that. She was a part of Highway Women, and this is like, and- Highway Women.

Highway Women. Highway Women is, no, it makes sense because it's a play on the, Hi women. Hi women. Which is, you know, Willie Nelson, Merle Haggard,

which was the outlaws, basically all the outlaw guys did the, the highway, the highway men. So this was, this is an answer to that. It's Marin Morris. Amanda Schreier. Amanda Shrier. Brandy and some Natalie Hempi.

Okay, that's who I'm forgetting. And though they're great, that's the, that is the bummer that I, I'm sad I missed. They played on Sunday night at the Gorge and I, that was the one night I couldn't make, so I was disappointed. But I've never seen the high the high women but I think I've seen them play I've seen videos of them and it's great their harmonies are fantastic. Well, I love this. This is a little entry point in and of course like we said the new port album is coming out that was just recently remastered. And if you are at all interested, the Joni Mitchell archive is incredibly active right now.

They've been remastering, re-issuing, they're putting out box sets of stuff. The Joni Mitchell archive is absolutely worth checking out if you want Joni stuff, if you're obsessed with Joni Mitchell. All right, well, then that's a little table setting for everybody to go on the journey that I, that we are in our house are deeply in right now, listening to a lot of this stuff and kind

of trying to get back to that amazing feeling of that night. So a different last looks for you and can I, can I say one last thing? Please. Don't be discouraged by the fact that Joni Mitchell's music isn't on Spotify. Yes. I found that off. She pulled it off when Neil young pulled his stuff off and a bunch of other people did. And it's not gone back on yet,

but you can still find it. You can still support Joni by going to other places and using it. By the way, it's on Apple music. It's on all the other streamers. You'll still find it anywhere. You can stream this music. Don't be discouraged by the fact that it's not on Spotify.

What I will say though, is what you will find on Spotify are amazing covers, like on the rate covers. And there are like, she is truly, you know, probably one of the most covered artists of all time. And there are so many songs that their most iconic version is someone else's version. Like Woodstock. A lot of people don't know that Crosby Stills and Nash Woodstock is a Joni Mitchell song. Wow, look at that, you see.

And one, I'll go one further, not only did Joni Mitchell write Woodstock and Crosby Stills Nash and Young performed it, but Joni Mitchell wasn't at Woodstock because she had to stay in New York to film the Dick Cavitt show the next day. And so she missed Woodstock. So the song Woodstock is written out of like FOMO. Like the, she wrote Woodstock because of everything everybody was telling her about it

and she felt so jealous or upset that she hadn't been there. She wrote the song, the definitive song about Woodstock having not been there. She's the best. Come on. Oh boy, oh boy. All right. Uh, we'll check in with you next time. Bye.

All right. Thank you, Jason. Uh, now we got hip-naughty. I can sleep over out of the way. Let's talk about next week's movie. We are going from the end of middle school to the end of the world. That's right. Next week, we are watching Absolution starring Mario Lopez, Jamie Presley, and Richard

Grico. Here is a short breakdown of the plot. Most of Earth has been destroyed by an asteroid by a small military colony called New America has a managed to survive in the Arctic. By the way, I did not know that from the actual movie. When a soldier goes missing at the colony, authorities send an undercover agent to investigate. There are no reviews for this movie on Rotten Tomatoes, so instead we turn to Letterbox, where user Fred Coleman writes, this movie is full-metal dog shit.

All right, let's take a listen to the trailer. An alien invasion. Brian K. Murphy? That's me, Anakin Todd. It's my duty to welcome you to Full-Man Military Academy, New American College. A futuristic army. Only one man can save the human race, Mario Lopez.

I obey any in all orders you can want. Jamie Pressley. I've been here all night and I haven't been around this for more than a while. Absolution Alright, we are now at the end of this episode before we go check out this bonus scene from our hypnotic show where we talk more about the actors in the division. If I'm in the division too, because the division

is essentially a repertoire group of actors. Like, it's just a group of actors acting. And what we know, yeah. And I found it shocking that there's only been one child, because actors as a whole are very horny people. They're always having sex with each other. And so only two hypnotics ever had a baby. Well, here's what I'm talking about.

Well, here's what I'll say. I want to talk to two of these points. First of all, it does... Guys, I'm having a great time. I really was like, this movie's so dumb, and I'm like, oh, man. I was looking, I was watching the movie, and one of my notes I wrote down early was,

where are all the fucking people? Like, this must be a COVID movie, because there are no background, like very, very, very empty scenes. And then I was like, oh, 36, 36 hypnotics, they can't fill all the scenes. They got all the, Mexico City, except for the,

well, then they put them all, they put all of them into that one because he's moving from elevator to thing, they're doing, they got to get basketball, they got to, they're driving around town. Mexico, they all could just run in. You know? Yes.

Okay, so all I'm saying is that that is the reason why there's not that many people, I think it is against the law and hypnotic world. Now, but I want to ask the audience. It's against the law for the red blazer's to have sex with each other. Yes, to produce. To produce. So they can have sex for pleasure.

Well, but, yes. But, yes, say, what they do say, what they do say is, I also have a reason to produce and not reproduce. Well, they produce a lot of great stuff. Like this construct. You guys can fuck, but you better not produce. Oh, I'm not going to Ralph's. I'm going to Galcin's for its produce.

I just want to also speak to Jim's point. I really want to say to you, Jim, what an honor it would be to be the bank teller, because you're working on your craft. Your job in real life is to go up to the CEO, the prime minister. You have to be like, I need my instrument oil. Like you want to be getting these small parts. I am the bank manager. I am the hot woman.

Yeah. It's the temperature hot woman. And to me, what a great honor to play all these roles. What better way to learn and maybe that back a lot is their training grounds for new hypnotics? What you're absolutely right about is to be at the division is basically like going to Juilliard. It's getting a MFA.

It's getting because... Like Shannon was hypnotic. LAUGHTER And it's so interesting because actually these hypnotics have probably, well, I don't really know, I can't speak for them, obviously. But not a lot of interest in acting and performing. And so it's- All I do.

That's what I'm saying. That's what's so fascinating about watching their work is that they, their whole job is to get into other people's minds not to like embody others. I thought. Yes. Oh, no, you're right. That's no, they need to embody-

Now they do because of circumstance. Right, but I think their thing is to make people in the world do their business. To their bidding. So that's when Tom Cruise puts on the mask, the mission impossible. He's like, he... I think that's true, yeah. It's like he is hypnotic, but he's got to use a fucking mask. But you know what, Tom Cruise doesn't do when he's about to go on a mission.

What? He doesn't say to Ving Rames and Simon Pegg places everybody. He fucking knows what he's up to. He's not fucking sure. Thank you, too. Thank you, too. Thank you, too. I'm pretty positive.

I'm pretty positive. Somebody clap their hands together. It's show time. All right, that's it for our show. Please remember to rate and review. It helps. And if you list on an Apple podcast, make sure you are following us. You can visit us on social media at HDTVM. A big thank you to our producers Scott Sani and Molly Reynolds, our movie

picking producer, Avril Halley, our engineer Casey Holford and Jess Szaneros, who makes those amazing social media videos. Alright, thank you so much. And we will see you next week for Absolution. How did this get me? We're in the water, here in the water.