How Did This Get Made? - Last Looks: Jack's Back w/ Tom Scharpling

Episode Date: September 26, 2025

The Best Show's Tom Scharpling chats with Jason & Paul about discovering new music, the Best Show's 25th anniversary, Tom's Grown Ups 3 spec script, and much more. But first, Paul answers all your Corrections & Omissions on last week's Jack's Back episode. And as always, we announce next week's movie! Get tix to the Best Show's 25th Anniversary Tour at: thebestshow.netRead Tom's Grown Ups 3 spec script at: www.grownups3script.com JASON & TOM'S MUSIC PICKS:Dan's Boogie by DestroyerMusic For Writers by Steve GunnWednesdaySharp PinsGimme Gimme Records in L.A.Healing Force of the Universe in L.A. • Go to hdtgm.com for tour dates, merch, FAQs, and more• Have a Last Looks correction or omission? Call 619-PAULASK to leave us a voicemail!• Submit your Last Looks theme song to us here• Join the HDTGM conversation on Discord: discord.gg/hdtgm• Buy merch at howdidthisgetmade.dashery.com/• Order Paul’s book about his childhood: Joyful Recollections of Trauma• Shop our new hat collection at podswag.com• Paul’s Discord: discord.gg/paulscheer• Paul’s YouTube page: youtube.com/paulscheer• Follow Paul on Letterboxd: letterboxd.com/paulscheer• Subscribe to Enter The Dark Web w/ Paul & Rob Huebel: youtube.com/@enterthedarkweb• Listen to Unspooled with Paul & Amy Nicholson: unspooledpodcast.com• Listen to The Deep Dive with June & Jessica St. Clair: thedeepdiveacademy.com/podcast• Instagram: @hdtgm, @paulscheer, & @junediane• Twitter: @hdtgm, @paulscheer, & msjunediane  • Jason is not on social media• Episode transcripts available at how-did-this-get-made.simplecast.com/episodesGet access to all the podcasts you love, music channels and radio shows with the SiriusXM App! Get 3 months free using the link: siriusxm.com/hdtgm Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Find out how long it takes June and I to watch, task the rules about smoking in medical facilities, and a film whose post-production took 37 years. All this and more on today's. How did this get made? Last Looks. Hit the theme. I took a look.

My name is Paul. And I did not like what I saw. But you know we got a look again. Last looks, Last Looks. Hello, all you twins with psychic connections. It's me, Paul the Ripper. And welcome to how did this get made, Last Looks, where you, the listener, get to voice your issues on Jack's Back.

A movie that Discord user Afed thinks should have instead been called A Tale of Two Spaders. Okay, I like it. Thank you, A-Fed, for that movie title. Wouldn't it be great if they just started completely disregarding character names and specifics for the titles of films and just started calling them by the actors that were in them like, you know, Denzel Train movie. First of all, don't know why I'm referencing Unstoppable. I think that movie came out like 15 years ago. But maybe it would

bring more ants to the cinema. Speaking of which, do you think people were upset this week when they saw, like, the, uh, the Mandalorian, uh, and Grogrew trailer. And then, I think for a large grouping of people, they may have been confused. They may have been like, Grogu, who's that? You know, it shouldn't it be like Mandalorian and Baby Yoda? And that's what I'm getting at people. Let's dumb it down more. Okay. It's not enough. It's not enough that people are considering putting television shows on TikTok in 90-second intervals. They're called microdramas. Uh, by the way, Have you watched a micro-drama? These things are nuts.

It's like the drama of 80s late-night TV, like Dynasty and Falcon Crest, mixed with like the acting of porn, back when porn cared. All right, a big shout out to Judy Ford. Wow, we're still in the opening. For that opening theme song, thank you, Judy. Remember, if you have an alt-movie title or tagline, submitted to us on our Discord at discord.g.g slash HDTGM. And if you have a last looks theme song, go to HDTGM and click the submit a song button on our homepage. And remember, keep them short.

If you're listening to the show, you know what you like. 15, 20 seconds. That's what we want. Okay. Big show today. Tom Sharpley, host of the best show. We'll be joining us in just a bit. If you don't know Tom, you might remember him from our Avengers episode, but if you're not listening to Best Show, what are you doing? 25 years on the air. We're going to talk to him about his grown-ups three script, which he wrote on spec over a weekend that got a lot of buzz online, and he's going to tell us how it got to a lot of the members of the cast. we also are going to talk about the best show tour also i guess this is a great time to mention how did this get made is going on the road we're going to be in new york and we're going to be in philadelphia but that's not all dinosaur is going on the road and we have a great cast okay

edie patterson from the righteous gemstones you got daniel schneider from garbage world oh yeah You also have Mary Holland, who is amazing in everything that she does, recently on Ghosts, me, Jason, Rob Hubel. Rob Riggle is joining us in D.C., so come see Dinosaur in Boston, D.C., and by the time this recording, maybe even New York, just check out HDTGM.com for our tour info or go to Dinosaur Improv or go to my website. There's plenty of places for you to get the link. for the tickets for these shows that are happening in November. And if you just want to come see us in Los Angeles, you can do that, too, because we have shows October 22nd and 23rd at Largo and a dinosaur show on the 24th. Boy, oh boy, I love doing live shows.

Just kind of want to continue giving some love to Averill Halley, who is recovering from brain cancer. Averill is one of our, you know, support beams of this show, and I am just constantly blown away by the amount of love that people have been sending her way, whether it's an email by emailing her partner, Andrew at moviebitches.xy, or by snail mail. People have been sending wonderful things to her at Peelbox 641, Agora Hills, California, 91376. She appreciates it, and we have been getting some really amazing updates she is on the mend and recovering and so we just want to continue to send her love

all right let's get into it last week we talked at length about jack's back well we had questions and we might have even missed a few things here is your chance to set us straight fact check us if you will it is now time for corrections and omissions hit the damn theme Corrections and omissions are not what words you want to hear from us. Don't disconnect the discord to elude accountability. Then how could your fans express just how we feel your dumb world? are all you had to say to be so wrong. Now Paul has to eat some shit and say we're right.

But we all ready know. Thank you, Benjamin Hilton, for that theme song. I loved Extreme. Extreme, well, I don't know if I love them. I like them. Was Extreme the band that had the two trains crashing out of the station? Was that the cover of the album? I think.

I don't know. Why am I asking you? You can't answer, and I'm not going to Google it. So if I'm wrong, please send me a written letter. I'll open it in a couple of weeks, and I will look at it with shame or delight. All right. on the Discord, ghost bag, great name, says this. Is the reason for the constant haze in this film due to everyone in it smoking?

Cigarettes are constant from Sydney smoking in the doctor's office to, by the way, I'm really going on our sides. I just saw Jaws, the 50th anniversary of Jaws. There's some smoking in the ER in that movie as well, wild. The amount of cigarettes, I would say, yeah, the Jaws is a problem, but secondhand smoke, is really, really the issue in that movie. Okay, so they say, yes, Sidney was smoking the doctor's office to the customer that Dark Spader assists

in the mall shoe store. I was 13 in 1988 and I lived in California, so I do remember people smoking in public places, but never inside medical facilities and stores, weird times. Well, yeah, look, if it was in Jaws, I'm going to believe that people were smoking in ERs. Hell, people are smoking on. on planes. I mean, if you look on most planes, they still have that ashtray thing there as if it

might come back. And who knows? The way things are going lately, you know, one day, someone could be like, yeah, you know what? We actually figured out smoking in an airplane is good for your lungs. Actually, you should smoke in an airplane now. And we'll do it. And it will just be back and people will be upset about it, but we'll just have to embrace it. Megan writes, second sole is actually a shoe store that I go to in Akron, Ohio. It is indeed a running shoe store, and it's distinct from the chain of other running shoe stores in Northeast Ohio, also named Second Soul. The chain of stores predates this in the movie, which makes me wonder if Rowdy Harrington was driving through Ohio one day and decided to put it in the movie. Well, Megan, if you're telling me that there are two chains of stores called Second Soul in Ohio. I just feel like it's people being really lazy about naming their shoe store. Like, and by the way, second sole means is it just a shoe store for shoes that you're not wearing on the reg? Anyway, I love it. Dove writes, as Paul discussed, oh, I love when it's about me.

Paul discussed the original plan was to call the movie Red Rain, but they couldn't get the rights to Peter Gabriel's song of the same name to run over the opening titles. So Harrington scrapped this idea and had a sound-alike song made. The new song was Red Harvest, but he didn't call the movie by that name. He went with Jack's Back instead. Why? Because if they'd gone with Red Harvest, they would have been using the title of a famous Dashel Hammett novel to make a completely unrelated movie. Hammett's Red Harvest did inspire Curasawa's Jojimbo, which in turn inspired Sergio Leonis a fistful of dollars and the Bruce Willis movie Last Man Standing. Good movie. If I remember it correctly, remember when we made a lot of Westerns.

Like, there was a time, like, in that early 90s, like the Quick and the Dead, Tombstone, Wyatt Earp, Last Man Standing. And there was that other one, there's another one in that mix, too, that was kind of popular. Yeah, we really got, bring them back. We haven't made a Western in a long time. Somebody, go make that. Maybe I will. Anyway, let's go to the phones.

What do we got? one up is, oh, my favorite caller, Anonymous. Hey, Paul, a long-time fan. Love you guys. Love your show. Love the league. I'm a long-time Cubs fan, and you seem to wonder why there was a Cubs reference in your latest review of Jacksback.

And that's because from, I think it was from like 1921 to 1951, the Cubs did their spring training on Catalina Island. and Wrigley, the senior, he bought the PCL Angels and constructed essentially another Wrigley field in L.A. So you can search it and find it and all that good stuff. So I hope that answers your question as to why there's a Cubs tag and why there's a Cubs League to L.A. Anyway, love the show.

Love you guys. June is great in weapons. and I look forward to seeing whatever you guys do next. Talk to you later. Wow. First of all, great, great observation. I don't think it was that specific. I think the path of least resistance is that he could have been born in Chicago,

I guess, was it established where they were born? I don't know. I don't think anyone is a fan of a team that does spring training. on Catalina Island. I mean, I know that the Dallas Cowboys practice in Oxnard. I'm not seeing a lot of cowboy fans out here. Anyway, I love that deep research.

Thank you, Anonymous. Next up, Peter from New York. Hey, how's it made? Love the show. Just wanted to do one small correction. I was watching Jacks back with my wife. And during the film and after the film, she and I discussed multiple times

how odd it was that in the 80s, The worded-up foosball man was doing these back alley abortions because abortion in the 80s in California was deathly legal. And the sex worker did not need to pay $200 for an abortion in a hotel room because you could have just gone to plant in parenthood, which was, I'm pretty certain, still in operation. So that makes almost no sense, maybe less sense or maybe just as much, just as little sense as the news being ready in the weird church auditorium in the hospital. Anyway, I love the show. I want you you guys from New York. Have a good one. Wow. Good question. Well, Peter, Dove from our Discord, actually had the same question as you and rewound the movie to find out an answer. You see, Dove says that Sydney, aka Dr. Shouty McAssol, shouted at the sex worker at the clinic and said she was two weeks past the legal limit. So that's why she had to rely on Jack for the abortion, although she didn't appear to.

be that pregnant in the scene. So she would have to be 24 weeks pregnant. I would imagine you are showing at 24 weeks. So again, let's get into it. I need to know more about the abortion laws in California and especially the abortion laws back then. But you know what? I feel like we have gone so deep on this, and I'm so impressed. I don't think we can top it. So maybe we just switch up this segment right now and go to a quick Ask Paul. That's right, a chance for you to ask me an unrelated question to Jack Spack. So Mel, what's on your mind? Hey, Paul, how you doing? I just had a couple quick questions for you, number one. I've noticed throughout the years that you and June have very distinct laughs, but they seem to mimic each other. Yours seems to

to be more like when you're laughing really hard, it's like, ha ha ha, ha. And June's is more like, ha ha ha. So I'm just curious, who adopted whose laugh pattern. Did you started when you first met? Did she started when it first met? You know, it's almost like when you adopt a pet and you start to look alike. One of you is copying the other.

So I'm just curious, who is the origin source? The second question is, I'm a huge fan of Shark Tank. I'm also a huge fan of the process. I know you're a fan of the profit as well. And now there's a new market show called The Fixer. And I'm watching it now on YouTube. You can find all the episodes for free, easy, peasy. It's a little bit different, but I'm just curious, what are your general thoughts on The Fixer?

Again, thanks so much for doing the podcast. I've been to your live show many times, and huge fan, brother. Take care. Interesting. I've never noticed that. Maybe we do. That's very cute. I love June's laugh.

Well, okay, well, I'm now going to pay attention to it. I'm not going to tell June. I'm going to do a little research on my own. I have not watched the new Marcus Lomona show, The Fixer. I love Marcus. We were going to have Marcus on the show at one point because we're just huge fans. I should, I should watch it. I don't have a better answer. No, the answer is, no, I have not watched it. And I was thinking, why haven't I watched it? I was like, well, I really don't even watch TV anymore. So I'd really have to go out of my way to find it. I had no idea that it was called the fix. and is it different than like bar rescue or is it like the same thing as bar rescue either way you have now gotten me very excited to watch a brand new show now can i convince my wife with the same laugh uh to put aside task a show that we are um really getting through at a slow pace because uh for june and i to watch a show together she'll normally fall asleep uh during an hour long episode so it takes us i would say three days to get through a 45 minutes to 60-minute show. We very rarely watch shows together.

We have decided that task is the one, and I have watched the first episode now, wow, four times. Got better and better. I did. I went from being like, I'm okay with this show, too. Actually, I think I like it.

Now I'm in. I do like the show, and that is someone who is watched episode one a handful of times and is on the third viewing of episode two. All right. Back to the Discord. Rocket Wesker writes, when they said Dark Spader was an Army medic, I thought the movie was going to make him utilize his medical skill in some way, like impersonating his brother at the clinic or using medical knowledge to analyze the evidence in crime scene. But no, it's just used to make police think that he's a suspect, and his medical skill was never brought up again.

He used past gangster skills and shoe salesman skills to solve the case, but Army medic, not so much. Thank you, Rocket Wesker. Good call there. Dang Tutin, regarding Paul and Jason's reminiscence of the 1980s, doll, my buddy, I have a great story to share. For the first years of my life, my parents always referred to my penis as a buddy for some reason. Okay. Sounds like a Paul story. And now they might be, you know, like, hey, you're holding your buddy. Do you have to pee? Naturally, I assume that a penis is called a buddy. So you can imagine my year old shock when I first saw the commercial for a doll called my buddy. The next day at school, I went up to my friends and said, have you guys seen that commercial from my buddy? I can't believe that.

And they were like, um, what's the issue? And I was like, the toy is named after a penis. And everyone was like, what the hell are you talking about? And that's when I started to question the validity of buddy being a euphemism for penis. And I saw my parents in a different light. Ha ha. Uh, dang Tutin, great story, great share, very Paul sheer-coded. And I appreciate that. And that's going to really weigh in today as I take stock of who had the best correction and omission. And I got to tell you, you know what? It is going to be dang Tutant because never in the history of this show has someone shared their own Paul story. Yeah, people have come out of the woodwork to say that they, you know, kissed their mom and they want to support me in that. But no one,

ever put it in a corrections and omissions. So, Dang Tutin, you are our winner, and Rob from Long Island's got a great theme. Hit it! Hey, you! Congratulations! You won! A nice vacation and an endground pool and a car, but we gave it away to a charity because we all know just how selfless a person you are, but we don't want to send you away empty-handed That's not what this all is about So here Take the garbage with you

As you leave And don't let the door Hit your ass on the way out You win! All right Stick around because when we are back We got Tom Sharpling And some other really fun surprises

Remember, if you want to leave a message About the movie that we're talking about Not like an old movie, just keep it you know, current, you can go to our Discord, and you can always give me a call, ask me a question about life, Marcus Lomonas, or leave a correction in omission about the movie that we talked to at 619, P-A-U-L-A-S-K, that's 619, Paul Ask. And by the way, I want to ask you a question, are you watching the dark web every Monday? Rob Hewble and I take on the internet, that's right, and we have some special shows coming up.

We've broken format, and, oh, man, I can't even teach you. until we get there, but it's going to be, it's one of my favorite things that we've done. I can't wait. Hopefully it comes out good. It's a big swing. Anyway, we'll be right back. Hope you are checking out our matinees. All right, because every week we put up an old episode.

This week we did Deadfall, which was a Nicholas Cage film, right? One of the most unhinged performances from him. And next week, we are going to be talking about the Mariah Carey. flop glitter with Adam Scott, Casey Wilson, and Dan Levy. So keep on checking out all of our replays of classic episodes every Tuesday. Okay. But now, enough about all that. Let's have a chat.

A chat with somebody that I think is truly an inventor of the podcast game. And I feel bad calling at a podcast because Tom Sharpling has been doing the best show for 25. years started off as a radio show on WFMU. He is a writer who has worked on such varied shows as what we do in shadows and a monk. He has a brand new show coming out with Matt Berry from what we do in shadows and Natasha Leon. We're going to talk about that in just a bit. But more importantly, he's going to be taking best show on the road to celebrate this giant anniversary. So without any further ado, please welcome to the show, the one, the only, the great, Tom Sharper. For we ain't going to talk about religion and politics.

We ain't going to talk about any of that now. We're just going to talk about movies and no, sit down and Jason and fall. Or go to go ahead and sit down and chat. For the last 25 years, this man, has been running truly a pioneering show i'm not even call it a podcast because it didn't even start as a podcast started a radio show this is entertainment it is every tuesday it's live it's great tom sharpling happy 25 years of the best show wow wow wow that's too much i can't i did something wrong clearly you i mean this is the thing about you tom

And this show. You're a radio man. You're just, you're a radio man. Yeah, I'm just an old DJ sitting in the, like Wolfman Jack

in American graffiti. Yes. Ooh, in the dark. Popsicles. What, Tom, just because I feel like the show is such a phenomenal meld of whatever you're interested

in doing in that moment and talking through bits or talking through bits. Like, what were like what did what did you listen to like was there stuff that you were you were you someone who was like oh i am like listening to phil hendry or i am listening to um uh you know or is it like a regular it's howard stern or it's like terrestrial radio or whatever yeah it was a lot of different things it was um i didn't listen to phil hendry that was a west coast thing

and i was new jersey and then when i heard about phil hendry i was like strangely enough, I was like, I don't want to hear it because I feel like it would be too much of an influence. I've kind of never heard Phil Hendry to this day. How about Joe Frank? Have you heard Joe Frank? I heard plenty of Joe Frank on WFMU because they aired Joe Frank on WFMU. That's how I used to listen to. Yeah. That's, you know, it was incredible. And Joe Frank was about what you could do with audio to me in terms of like he was doing a completely different thing that I would never even be able to do. But I knew it was like, oh, this guy's taken full advantage of the medium. And that was the exciting part of that.

And for people who've never heard the show, I just want to give them an idea of what they're in store for every episode, or at least the idea. Like, you're going to come in with a topic. Whatever that topic might be, you're going to introduce a topic. You're going to be talking to people. And then somewhere in the middle of the show, you're going to get a phone call from an interesting character. Somebody who might, you think, oh, this person, this is a calling in. A lot of them have hailed from New Bridge, New Jersey. And you'll interact with this character. And this is like the centerpiece of the show where it's like when I first started to listen to you, I was on these CDs. I had these CDs, the best of these phone calls. It's you and John Worcester,

who you might know as the, used to be the drummer for Superchunk. And these are some of the funniest big sketches. They remind me of Nichols and May. They remind me of, you know, interview with the, you know, was it 1,000 year old man or 2000? 2,000 year old man. You know, like it has that vibe where it's like these long 30, 40 minute bits

that they start off in one direction and then they just morph and you're just in this zone and these characters come back. It's so much fun to listen to and opposed to many other shows and even Phil Hendry himself. It's just you and John. So it really is this duo.

It's, you know, it's not like, oh, and next week you have in so-and-so, and they're doing a funny call. I think that that's one of the things that makes the show kind of so fun and unique, too. Oh, well, thank you. That's, yeah. No, John and I hit on something early and other, like, there were stretches where other people called in and do funny stuff. Like, John Benjamin would do stuff, Sam Cedar, and John Glazer and Andy Earls, and, but then there was a point where I was just like, the thing, that me and John are doing is the thing, and I kind of need to just focus on that being the thing. And doing that was just kind of validated the thing that me and John have, and then

we were just partners forever. It's so fun. Just listen to it. Listen to a best show. You're 25 years. You're going on the road. I'm very excited about it. We're going to do the Bell House and New York and L.A. and Chicago and Philadelphia. It'll be super fun because we don't, we're, John lives in North Carolina, and I used to live in New Jersey, and I lived in now I'm in Los Angeles, so we've never done the show from the same place outside of like a very small window where John lived in New York, but we're not together for the most part, and this will be us being together. So it's pretty, pretty rare. So it's really unique. Yeah, that's cool. I would love to see that. That's great. These shows are 1011, 1012, 1013, 1015, and 1021.

That's Brooklyn, Philly, L.A., and Chicago. Now, I do, I want to go in a different direction just for a second. For people who don't know, not only you, this showman, but you also are a great writer. You've written many television episodes. You've created shows. But the thing I think about a lot, and I was referencing it just the other day, was you wrote a script for grown-ups three. on on on spec just you embrace you embrace the universe and uh and and and and got a grown-ups three spec out there which i have to say it was it was one of those bits i mean is it a bit i mean is

i don't know is it a bit i don't you know it it could work it could work this grown-up's three could work i was going through a thing at a point and you know what came down to ultimately was you know when you make a joke with a friend and then you're just like oh what if this existed can you imagine that and you joke about it and you'll laugh and then there's always that moment where you're just like what if i actually did write that and then you're like no i'm not going to actually do that but then i was like yeah i'm kind of got some free time right now and i'm enjoying being by myself like it's not a great stretch so i just spent a weekend and i wrote it over a weekend. I wrote like this 55 page script in like two days. It just poured out. And then

it was Jason, Jason Wallner, who was the person I was joking about it with. And then I was like, hey, Jason, I wrote that script. And then I sent it to him. And he was like, well, this is insane. Oh, my God. And then I started sending it around. And then people are like, it turned into like this weird Rorschach test with Adam Sandler. Some people were just like, read it and then they go, oh my God, I hate Adam Sandler so much

and I can tell how much you hate him because of this script. And other people were like, man, I love those movies too and I can just see, there's so much love for what he does in here. Like people saw what they wanted to see in it. It was really fascinating.

Well, I think that you captured a tone that is, like, and I guess either way that you look at it, have you, have you, Like, I go to the map for Hubey Halloween. I think it really made me laugh. It's a very funny movie. And people get mad at me for saying that, but I am not taking it back. Well, they should not get, Paul, they got to cut you some slack with this.

You know what you're talking about. It's a fun movie. Fun. It's fun. I will not. I will not stand here and let you guys promote Hubey Halloween one more second. Because we all know the Hubell. It should be Hubey Halloween.

That's true. By the way, we're not just referencing something that you cannot read. If you go to the best show for life website, you can read Grunups Three. It's floating around, yeah. It was one of those things where it started to like make the rounds a little bit. Yeah. And then people who were in it, some people read it who are in it. That's what I was going to wonder next.

Yeah. I know Nick Swartston read it. He was just like, this is funny. he said there's a funny script flown around grown-off story and then David Spade I heard read it and thought it was funny

but then there was the point when talking to Adam McKay and he's just like should I send it to Sandler and then it's like oh I don't know about that I don't know and then it made it to Adam Sandler

through another channel through more like through the SAFTY channel that I have, and more or less, I think it might have, it might have, I don't know how it got there, but I know that someone in that camp heard him at one point go, what's the deal with this grown-up street thing? Like, like, quite a bit of your grown-ups three script ended up in uncut gems, right? Pretty much. I'm right now arbitrating with the Writers Guild about, no, it was Oh, they've got our best interest in part. It didn't, of course they do. No, we were heading back out

guys to get your signs i've got a few quips ready and i'm ready to start walking on the 101 wherever i was the new the new picket lines oh my god when i walked i was i walked the picket line over by warner no no by universal by universal and it was like first of all i'm watching everybody oh j leno pulled up and had hot dogs or whatever and oh here's so and all these famous people I walk that universal picket line. First of all, I almost got hit by a car every day. It was directly off the 101. People are pulling off that Lancashem ramp as if they're still on the highway. Didn't they cut back the trees there too so you guys would have no shade? I think that was the Warner Brothers one where they cut the trees. Oh, yeah, yeah. But this one, they didn't have to do anything to make this any worse. This was just bad. You know, when you go past Universal Studios and there's that giant hill that goes up, and like if you're going to drive to the to the city walk or whatever it's like that's where we were picketing oh i was there so many times the only star power i ever saw at it was one

scler brother and you couldn't tell which one it was jason i could tell him i can tell i can tell him because he was wearing glasses yeah and that's the trick with the scler brothers Jason He has glasses on J-A-S-O-N That's how you Oh, wow Okay, got it

Makes me sound like Tony Robbins or something With like mind Gymnastics But that was it One Sclar brother once Also, he didn't come back He just like

He was like, this sucks Nobody cool here Now I will say I did hear He got hit by a car So this is rest in power Tom, the other thing

that I feel like I just want to mention I texted you about this. Now, Jason, you may not even know this. You know, Tom has a new show. I did not know this. A show with Natasha Leon and Matt Berry. Can you tell us a little bit about this show? Because it is, it got me

so pumped when I heard about it. Yeah, I let you pitch it. Yeah, for like a couple years I've been working on this thing. The idea of doing this retro The word retro is getting thrown around with it because it's funny and stupid. And that apparently means retro now because people don't want to be both of those things. Well, now people just are very comfortable with stupid, but they don't want funny anymore. Well, it's funny because it's retro to be two things at once.

I was talking to somebody the other day who said that now whenever you were talking about a comedy, you have to say it's meta. It's like, it's not meta. It's a comment. No, it's like, I guess it's meta if you are treating it. it like a drama? It's, yeah, honestly, I'm not sure where people's heads are at with any of these things now. It just, it's like, I thought, like, we all talked about it, Matt and me and Matt's producing partner about a show that would be British guy, American woman, teaming up to solve crimes. And it was like, it was like a stupid heart to heart to me, like, like thinking

of the legendary show Heart to Heart, which Robert Wagoner and Stephanie Powers, Stephanie Adam Scott and I did that, the greatest event in history of television, where we recreated the opening of the Heart to Heart theme song, a very action-packed skiing, boating, you know, it's like, yeah, little spies, little spies run around doing fun stuff. It's the kind of show where a friend of mine described it as, there's a crime scene, and then they show up. He's in like a tuxedo and she's in an evening gown and they're like, what seems to be the problem here, officer?

Like, they're just inserting them. Like, if two fancy people show up at a crime scene, like, get out of here. Go away. What are you? You can't come over here, but they do. They let them. It's kind of like an 80s riff on the thin man in a way, right? Like, you know, like, without, but in the thin man, they're drunks and they're whatever,

and they used to be detectives. These people, they seem to be just living the high, they're stepping out of the dynasty in a way and then just kind of solving crimes. Yeah, it's going to be like old TV in the fact that it's going to just be, it's going to be really funny and it's going to be kind of like if you put a

Roger Moore-era James Bond with like another person who's a lot tougher and stronger. So it's kind of, I love it. Is it kind of like, I mean, If we're, I mean, I know it's different than Natasha, but the way Roger Moore kind of teamed up with Grace Jones, an interesting pairing there. Yeah, it's going to be, I think it's going to really be funny, and we're going to shoot it in Europe next year, so that'll be its own thing.

Oh, that's cool as hell. Yeah, so I'm really looking forward to it. It's pretty exciting, and it's like the best actors you could ever ask for. Matt Berry is the funniest. Heart to heart with Natasha and Matt Berry is, I mean, like, in that vein, that already has gotten me, yeah, it gets me very, very excited. I am excited that you were doing this. And, you know, maybe if it gets enough traction, then maybe that grown-ups three script can go. Because I'm going to tell you, my kids can't get enough of these grown-ups movies.

I've watched Grandups One and Two, I would say conservatively in the last month, five times each. Okay. Yeah. Oh, my God. That's a lot. that's too much Tom are there any albums you want to recommend right now

well that's a good question I feel like now I'm in a weird lame stretch and I'm just looking at albums on my floor I'm gonna say both of us are huge destroyer fans

yeah new destroyer rooms wait what did you decide will you be seeing him this Thursday I'm still not sure yet whether I'm gonna see pulp or destroyer Good, good, I mean, a incredible problem to have. Yes, exactly. I will be at Destroyer, very excited.

And one of my absolute favorite records of the year, Dan's Boogie. Yeah, so amazing. And he finds like another gear. Imagine if people, when they can't figure out Destroyer, it's like, think about if Bob Dylan changed his sound every time he put an album out. Like, that's what, if he stayed Bob Dylan. Yes. But sometimes made a David Bowie record.

Exactly. And it just sometimes it was a record with a cheap keyboard. And sometimes it's a record with the East Street band. It sounds like he's. And sometimes it's a record with frog guys. Yeah, it's just, yep. By the way, if Bob Dylan made a record with frog guys, I would be thrilled. New album from the band Wednesday is fantastic.

And I will also shout out the band Sharp Pins. Steve Gunn album is great. Steve Gunn has an instrumental album that's really, beautiful. And it's literally meant for us. It's called music for writers. Oh, that's great. Nice ambient stuff. I mean, as he does, it's beautiful. So, great. Tom, I always ask Jason this, but, like, how do you find it? Like, how do you, like, how are you finding music? You just, um, it's funny because I am writing a book about music now, and that's one of the things I'm trying to write about is, like, not giving up on finding, like, how to not give up on music as you get older,

and not just, like, stay in your comfort zone. This is, I also talk about this all the time. How do you, especially with the death of those curatorial places that we used to go to, be they record stores like other music or Aquarius Records in San Francisco, any of those places that helped recommend, those have all gone away. They have, but they haven't all gone away. You could go to Gimme, Gimme, Gimme, and Gimmy, and they'll tell you about anything. There's smart people working there.

And I really just think you just have to pay attention a little bit. And sometimes it can be as simple as if you're on a streaming service and you're listening to something you like, just look for the thing they recommend that you never have heard of and just go down that road. And if you keep going down a road past that, you get somewhere else. And like if you go, oh, well, what would I listen? And what would the people who like this also like, then you listen to that. Then what were the people who like this? Now you're out in the woods and you're finding new things. And I think one of the things that I've had success with in the band camp ecosystem is,

is band camp will show, if I bought a record, if I bought the Steve Gun record that Tom just held up, it might show me other people who've bought that record and what else, What else have they bought? So it's also, oh, somebody who listens to that Steve Gunn record, they might also have this Riley Walker record or this Bill McKay record that I also like instrumental guitar music. Okay, cool, you know? Yeah, absolutely.

I got to get on this. I feel myself, like, flailing in this world because I just, I never, I got to do some more exploration. And that's where my downside is. I used to love and listen and find, and now it's bad to me. Well, there's also things like, the other thing I would recommend is like, look at who opens for people when they do the whole tour, not like the band that just got thrown on for one night.

It's like, look who bands, bands and acts you like, see who they pick, because that works even on the biggest possible scale. You could find, right. It's just like, oh, well, Sabrina Carpenter opened for Taylor Swift. It's just like, that's how people found out of it. Like, it goes as high up as that, but it kind of works. If the band respects somebody, there's something there. That's worth checking out.

If you love the band, the headliner so much. And then also, just, just like pay, there are still record labels you can pay attention to. That's still tracks to some degree. And just find, also find a venue. Like, if you're in this area, there's a place in Pasadena called Healing Force of the universe, that it's a record store during the day. And at night, they have shows. and they just have a certain type of show there.

They have stuff that's a little more mellow and maybe kind of, you know, look, Fulkey is a bad word for some people, but it's not a bad word. It's, but it, they have really nice stuff happening there. And you just can look at the other bands that play there.

Go to the website, their website and see what their calendar is. And even if you're not looking to go to shows, just check out the name. See who's headlining. You'll listen to a couple songs by people. You can get there. It does take a little more work, but you can also take advantage of the fact that you can

hear things like that. You don't have to go buy an album and find out you think somebody sucks, actually. Yeah. You can be exposed immediately rather than, oh, I read about this record. Now it's going to take me a week to actually hear a cut from it. Exactly. Now you've got to remember what you were trying to check out. It's like the chaos that has happened.

there's still patterns in the chaos that you can you can take advantage of and utilize you know for me i what i do is you know i go to the record store from freakier friday you know where chad michael murray worked and i'm like you know i want to see uh you know i kind of that's the record parlor and i kind of check out there and kind of get those vibes going and you know and find some new bands and get some stuff like that you know that's where i'm at i think paul i think you've got it all figured out i would rescind everything i said It seems like there's some cool stuff going on there, some neat stuff. If you want to hear more of Tom and us, of course, you can listen to our Avengers episode, Uma Thurman, Rafe, uh, finds, uh, and we did that live in New York with you. That's right. Um, and- Listen, people should listen for the moment when the crowd realizes that I was the surprise guest and you hear the room just deflate that, They're like, oh, I don't know who that is.

You know him as the host of The Best Show. Please welcome Tom Sharpling. Welcome, Tom. Welcome. All right. How are you, Tom? I'm good. Listen to that. completely measured applause of me being here. The heard Tom and then the only thing they wanted to hear after that

was Cruz! Mess Middle Ditch. And then it's like, oh no. It's, if you listen to it, it really feels like... You can hear the oxygen leave the room. You hear, I think you can hear the people leave the room, actually. You hear chairs.

That was the episode where by the end of the show, I walked the room. And the room, you had walked to the whole room. Yeah. Oh, my gosh. It's a classic, a classic. But outside of that, it's a classic episode. Tom, you're the best.

Thank you so much. We will be listening to you and seeing you out on the road. Best show live in October. Brooklyn, Philly, L.A., Chicago. So good. I cannot wait. Congratulations, Tom. Thank you.

Thank you both. You're the best. Thanks for not retiring, like, that mayor and Nick Coward, only did 15. He only did two episodes a week for 15 years. You're like, what a tourist. He didn't have it, apparently. He only had the president in his garage. Thank you, Tom, for joining us.

And by the way, a shout out to Rob from Long Island doing double duty with that great introduction segment for Just Chat. Now, if you want to go see Tom on the road, just go to the best. Show.net and click on the link for tickets. You know what works. You know websites work. You're there. The Best Show.net. Get your tickets to see Tom on the road. And you might even see me and Jason in the crowd in Los Angeles. All right. Now's the moment you've all been waiting for. It's time to announce our next movie. That's right. We're going to be going from a scare with a noose to a bear on the loose. That's the kind of wordplay that this show is known for. I love it. Next week, we'll be kicking off a month of spooky movies with 1983's Grizzly 2, The Revenge.

I will note that some streaming services do list the year of release as 2020, however, it was filmed in 1983, but not released for 37 years. Yes, Grizzly 2, The Revenge, was released in 2020, but not released for 37 years. years. And I don't know why, because check out this cast. George Clooney, Laura Dern, and Charlie Sheen, kind of. Okay, IMDB describes a movie like this. All hell breaks loose when a giant grizzly reacting to the slaughter of other grizzlies by poachers attacks a massive big band rock concert in the national park. Holy shit. I am excited. Tomatoes rates this movie in 8% Rotten, and Adam Patterson from FilmPulse says Grizzly, too, is a dreadful experience, but it's an oddly fascinating one as well. Take a listen to the trailer.

What happened now? Grizzly killed again. Three kids this time. I don't want a cloud of fear on this concert. Now you get that, grizzly, and get it now. The grizzly we're seeking. It's huge and probably enraged. You can stream Grizzly 2 The Revenge on Netflix Hoopla

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