How Did This Get Made? - Last Looks: Law Abiding Citizen

Episode Date: March 20, 2026

A crew member who worked on Law Abiding Citizen reveals juicy secrets when Paul responds to your corrections & omissions on last week's episode! Plus, Jason and Paul recommend A TON of media they're currently loving, Jason tells a delightful story about Philip Seymour Hoffman and Ethan Hawke in a bonus deleted scene from our Law Abiding Citizen live show, and at the end of the episode Paul announces the next movie we'll be covering on the pod.   JASON & PAUL'S WATCH LIST: Shelter Dark Winds Chris Fleming: Live at the Palace Katt Williams: The Last Report Will Hines & Ian Roberts' High Functioning Comedy DTF St. Louis Ultra City Smiths A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms Mike & Nick & Nick & Alice Lovesick The Rip Secret Mall Apartment The Housemaid Ask Hank Anything Ragas Live Festival The Iron Snail   JASON & PAUL'S READING LIST: A Short Stay in Hell by Steven L. Peck King Sorrow by Joe Hill I Blame Dennis Hopper by Ileanna Douglas Scene by Abel Ferrera Will Hines' Improv Nonsense Substack   JASON & PAUL'S LISTENING LIST: The Twisted Teens Snocaps by Snocaps Tragic Magic by Julianna Barwick & Mary Lattimore Luminescent Creatures by Ichiko Aoba Secret Love by Dry Cleaning More or Less by Dancer Love Trinity by Life Without Buildings Green Energy: First Surge by Greenhouse Band Careful In The Sun by Careful In The Sun Key Change Podcast A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms Audiobook • Go to hdtgm.com for tour dates, merch, FAQs, and more• Have a Last Looks correction or omission? Call 619-PAULASK to leave us a voicemail!• Submit your Last Looks theme song to us here• Join the HDTGM conversation on Discord: discord.gg/hdtgm• Buy merch at howdidthisgetmade.dashery.com/• Order Paul’s book about his childhood: Joyful Recollections of Trauma• Shop our new hat collection at podswag.com• Paul’s Discord: discord.gg/paulscheer• Paul’s YouTube page: youtube.com/paulscheer• Follow Paul on Letterboxd: letterboxd.com/paulscheer• Subscribe to Enter The Dark Web w/ Paul & Rob Huebel: youtube.com/@enterthedarkweb• Listen to Unspooled with Paul & Amy Nicholson: unspooledpodcast.com• Listen to The Deep Dive with June & Jessica St. Clair: thedeepdiveacademy.com/podcast• Instagram: @hdtgm, @paulscheer, & @junediane• Twitter: @hdtgm, @paulscheer, & msjunediane  • Jason is not on social media• Episode transcripts available at how-did-this-get-made.simplecast.com/episodesGet access to all the podcasts you love, music channels and radio shows with the SiriusXM App! Get 3 months free using the link: siriusxm.com/hdtgm Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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How did this get made? Hello, all you Gerard butt heads? And I mean that not like in the Bif Tanning. sense of the word buthead, but as someone who is like a fan of Gerard Butler's butt, people, this is a classy show. And you know what? I'm a fucking classy host. I'm Paul Shear. Welcome to How Did This Get Made Last Looks. And I'm so happy that you're here today because you are going to finally be heard. I mean, it's going to be a majority of me reading your voice and then just me disregarding what you have to say and just talking to Jason. But you,

For the first part of this, it's all going to be about you, okay? You're going to voice your issues on law-abiding citizen, a movie that Discord user, Repo Manish, might like that, thinks should have had the tagline, Law Abiding Citizen, Trial by Jerry. Ha-ha, I like it. I like it a lot. Repo Manish coming in with not only a great name, but a great alt-movie tagline. Got to give a big shout out to Benjamin Helton for that Polka Remed of our opening song. Thank you, Benjamin. That was just the kind of remix I needed. I didn't know.

I needed polka, and I didn't know besides Weird Al Yankovic, people are doing Polka remixes. Anyway, remember people, if you have an alt-movie tagline, submit it to us on our Discord at discord.g.g.org.com. And if you have a Last Looks theme song, go to HDTGM.com, click on the submit a song button. It's easy. You just pop it right in there. Keep them short. Keep them fun. And let's keep them coming. we are going to be hearing all your corrections and omissions on law abiding citizen. Plus, I'll even share a bonus deleted scene from our live show. Then Jason will stop by for just chat.

Well, we will recommend a whole slew of TV shows, music, and movies that we are currently loving. These have been fun. Jason and I have not had a chance to really connect on all this good stuff that we have been consuming. And, as always, I will reveal the movie for next week's episode. Now, we are back at Largo in Los Angeles. us on April 1st, doing our first live show in almost five months. Holy cow, it's been very long. We're going to be covering the Pierce Brosnan Action Flick Live Wire, and we have a very special

guest and maybe even two. You can get your tickets now at hdtgm.com, and then guess what? Next week on a Thursday, we are putting together the biggest cast of all time doing improv together, me, Jason, Edie Patterson, Carl Tart, Lisa. Lisa Gilroy, Seth Morris, Corinne Wells, so many great people come out and check that out on March 26th. Also at Largo, you can go to my website, you can go to hdtgm.com, anywhere to get the tickets for both of these shows. All right, people, let's get into it. We had questions and you apparently have answers.

It is time for us to get down to business. Set us straight, if you will, as we get into something I'm I like to call corrections and omissions. Madlicks, take us in. Corrections and omissions. You are wrong. Okay, everybody, big news. Every now and then, doing this show,

we hear from somebody who has worked on one of the films that we have talked about. Today is one of those days. That's right. We have an anonymous source from law-abiding citizen who has given us some details, some things that are going to be some real head scratchers. So sit back, relax, and enjoy an anonymously sourced recounting of some of the things that went astray on Law-abiding Citizen. Okay, just to refresh everybody's memory,

law-abiding citizen ends with Jamie Fox going to see his daughter play the cello, and we thought the most appropriate ending to this film would be if Clyde rigged her Shellow to explode, killing everyone, the ultimate revenge. And what we are finding out is we weren't that far off. Okay, so many people on the crew thought that's the natural ending of the movie, right? It should just happen like that. It may not be the feel-good ending, but it makes sense. And the movie's already a little bit of crazy. Now, here is a bit of backstory that I didn't know. The film was shot entirely in script order, which is just, if you do, don't know, kind of crazy and unheard of. But it wasn't trying to prove a point. It was really just

because of the, a myriad of factors, right? You had weather, you had actor schedules, you had set construction, and the biggest part was they didn't have a third act. That's right. This movie was greenlit without a third act. And they needed to get it in theaters. So they thought if we move forward in script order, we can always be adjusting for continuity. You know, you'll never have to be in a position where you're like, oh, it would be so great if he did this. Oh, but we already shot that six weeks ago. So it was actually a really smart way of addressing it. But because there was no third act and because they were shooting an order, there were a myriad of script revisions. I mean all the time, according to my source here, they were getting pages.

slipped under their hotel doors at 3 a.m. every Saturday and Sunday, brand new pages. And there were like over six writers working on this film and all very high-end names. Then you also had the talent and the director. Everyone was adding in to make this movie as good as it could be because they knew what this movie was. Yes, it was absurd, but they were committed to making it work, right? They wanted to make the film make sense. So in many respects, and this is what my anonymous source says, there was a lot of care put into it, but it didn't always work out.

Now, with a day or two left in production, the shooting script had reached quadruple goldenrod. Okay, now, if you're not familiar with production, every time you write a script and you put it in production, it changes color. So the first draft is white, the second draft, blue, then pink, then yellow, then green, and then goldenrod.

And then it continues on with, like, buff, salmon, cherry. And what this person is telling me is it went to quadruple goldenrod, which is like the 25th script that has come out. And there was a joke around set. Has anyone ever worked on a quadruple cherry script? Which would be the final color. It would be before it flipped to quintuple white.

And no one had ever heard of such an absurd. achievement. So on the final day of production, it was the viola performance of Nick's daughter at the end of the film. So the night before, one of the producers jokingly sent around pages for a, quote-unquote, new ending where Nick and his wife settle into their seats, the lights go down, the conductor starts the recital, and the viola explodes, and then the drums, and then the violins, and the oboes, etc. The entire theater detonates into a mushroom cloud fade to black. Now, everyone read the fake pages, and they thought it was a hilarious and fitting end. But yes, that's all it was.

It was a prank. They all felt that Clyde's gags were super fun and over the top, and it would be honestly more entertaining than the real ending. But alas, they did not ever shoot it. It was just a prank. It was a memorable prank to lift everybody's spirit to get through that last day of principal photography. But it did give this film the unique.

distinction of having a quadruple cherry status on scripts. Now, I will say this. I love when people share their stories. This is an amazing one. I love knowing that there was a lot of care here. And I don't think that this movie feels lazy. It's just improbable. And that may come from the fact that there are seven writers and people just trying to

make it better and better and better. And I think the turns were really good. It just forgot some of the justifications. I don't know. I still think that there's a great movie in here. But look, that's from someone who was on set. Now let's focus on you. Let's go to the Discord.

Sam writes, a friend of mine worked on the movie and told me that the production office shipped back a bunch of unused fake blood to the special effects company, but the PAs didn't pack it, right? And it leaked all over the FedEx truck. And the FedEx was going to call a specialist or a hazmat team to investigate it until the production's regular FedEx guy realized that the package came. from the movie. Sam, I love that, and how freaked out that driver must have been to see just blood. They thought, I mean, there's definitely a moment where you're like, oh, I am carrying

Gwyneth Paltrow's head here. I have a seven-style murderer on my hands. I wish we should do more like, more pranking of FedEx drivers. That was what I was about to say. And I was like, no, no, we shouldn't do that. I saw a video with this guy, Arak. He's a YouTuber. Yeah, I have kids, where he shipped himself across country, but now I'm hearing that Airac is fake. Anyone want to weigh on that? Let me know. Ryan says, says, so a couple of corrections here from the perspective of a prison librarian. Oh, wow, Ryan, I didn't know that. First of all, Butler would most definitely not be held in a prison while on trial, as he's only been accused of a crime. He'd be in jail. or a holding center in the courthouse itself,

it would be a litigation nightmare if an innocent person got hurt by an inmate while still on trial. Okay, great, I like that. And I didn't also know the difference between jail and prison, and thank you for not hitting it over the head too much, but yes, those are two different places.

Second, it's very much a failure on the prisons part for not checking in on Butler while in solitary as there is a risk of escape or suicide. Well, look, we're dealing with that. in the real world, right? Jeffrey Epstein. Now, Ryan says, continues by saying the institutions in my state have a log system where officers have to physically touch a tracking scanner on the door and then go to a data pad after looking in the window of the cell door to see moving, breathing flesh. I don't like how you said moving, breathing flesh. Just say a person. We're all moving, breathing flesh. I don't like it. Anyway, these checks are done every half hour. Johnny Unusual writes, it's worth noting that the writer on this film is Quirt Wimmer, master of films that are both tremendously preposterous and very dumb and still very fun. He's written the How to Discuit Made Classics, Ultraviolet, The Beekeeper, Expendables, 4, and Double Trouble.

I'm not going to name the films because it's not a recommendation station, but I assure you that if you are ever stuck for movies, most of his films are the right kind of movies for this show. you can probably skip his Total Recall and Point Break remakes. Johnny Unusual, thank you for not making this a recommendation station. And as a matter of fact, because you didn't, now I am inclined to go deeper. But you're right about Total Recall and Point Break. What whiffs? Like a whiff and a miss.

I mean, or I guess a whiff is a miss. Sean McBee writes, I read the entire screenplay for the movie and I have notes. Well, Sean, thank you. While the film credits Kurt Wimmer as the solo writer, the script is written by Frank Darabont following Wimmer's previous draft. This is interesting. Johnny Unusual, take notes. I know about this because when I first came out to L.A., people were talking about this script.

They're like, we have the next seven. And this was the movie. It became, I may have said this in the actual episode. It became this, but let's find out why. Sean McBee continues to write and says, the script skips the actual crime opening with Clyde's 911 call. Clyde didn't even witness the crime, but came in to find a his family already dead. Oh, I like that. I like that. It's a little bit, I mean,

that opening was rough. There's a reason given for Clyde being in the prison and for how he was able to tunnel into all the cells due to overcrowding in the jail. This old and disused prison has recently been opened as an annex to the county jail. This all makes so much sense. Okay, Clyde is the first person to occupy those solitary cells in over 20 years. No word on how he could have known that overcrowding would force this old building back into use, though. All right, but by the way, love all these reasons. The version of the script doesn't have the cemetery scene. Instead, it establishes at the beginning of the movie that Bruce McGill's character is going

blind and going through training with a guide dog. And when we skip forward 10 years later, his guide dog is wearing a cone of shame to indicate the dog recently had some sort of surgery. But whatever surgery the dog had came with something a little extra courtesy of Clyde. Yes, Bruce McGill is killed via exploding guide dog. It is somehow even more ridiculous than the cemetery murder bot. Wow. Not more ridiculous.

Better. Okay, we're going to take a quick break and we'll be back with some more of your juicy corrections and omissions. Stick around. Okay, we are back with more of your thoughts of law-abiding citizen. Let's go to the phones. First up is Rebecca. Hi, Paul. As one of I are big fans of the podcast, and we were actually at The Silly Show. We had a great time.

The whole time I was watching this movie, I kept coming back to the very sort of beginning setting up of the premise, which is, why wouldn't these guys Darby and Ames have killed Gerard Butler in that initial break-in? I know you guys talked a little bit about how the motive was kind of murky, and I agree that there was a lot there they didn't really get into, but it felt like, he's incapacitated, he's on the floor, they have the baseball bat, it would have taken, like, a few extra seconds to, like, bash his head in, and then you don't have a witness, the case against him is that much weaker, like, what possible reason would they have for leaving him alive? Like, every time I tried to sort of track back and think about that, it just, like, it didn't make any sense to me. So I didn't know if you guys had thoughts about that, or a possible series,

but that was my big thing that really kind of stuck with me throughout the course of watching this movie, which I did enjoy very much. So thank you very much for the great show. Appreciate the podcast. Bye. Well, Rebecca, look,

I think that sometimes people are left for dead. Maybe they thought that they kill him. Maybe they thought he was such a wimp that one shot would take him out. Maybe they just didn't want it, right? They weren't there to kill. They were just there to be these violent, whatever. They're not there to pick on women and children. They're perverted. They're the worst of the

worst. I understand the confusion. I get it too. I think that now that we know the script was written in a different way, it makes way more sense. I don't know if it makes him more of a hero or less of a hero. I think you would have a lot more issues at play if he came home. I don't know. I agree with you. It's overcomplicated. It would be what a great opening scene to have. have him walk in on that. Oh, we already had that script and we threw it away. Next up, ooh, this is good from Anonymous. Not the organization trying to bring down Scientology. Just a person that didn't give us a name. Hey, Paul and everyone else. I was at the Philadelphia show for law-abiding citizen.

Great time. One omission that I thought you would catch when the entire district attorney's office moves to the prison for quote-unquote safety reasons. they bring in all their files and they also apparently brought their framed diplomas and then put them up on multiple walls. Thought that was an interesting choice. Love the show. Thanks a lot.

Ha ha ha ha ha! I cannot believe that we did not see that and now I can see it so clearly in my head. That is... Oh, I love it. I love something as dumb as that. And you know what? It also makes me love these characters more

because you know the actors asked that question, right? They had to. And they're like, well, the room looks too bland. We want to put some stuff up here. It's like, well, you're trying to have your cake you needed to. I love that they had to put their diplomas up. I may have talked about this before. I'll say it really quick. I used to hang up my diploma in my office, like the way a doctor would have it on the wall. And it was a joke that was a joke. I was like, no, you see, I don't actually care about my diploma. It's just a joke. But people are like, no, it should be on the wall. You graduated. I'm like, no, I didn't know. And then. I'd explain it and now it's away. It's in the garage. It was a good joke, I thought. It was a subtle joke. I didn't always call it out, but then I thought, oh, people do, they think I'm serious about having my diploma? It was a school of education diploma. It wasn't even an acting school diploma.

Okay. Scott from Maine. Hey, Paul, Jason, June. This is Scott. I'm from Maine. It's a stellar skateboard throwback. I'm literally in the middle of listening to the law-abiding citizen episode, and I had to pull over and correct something that Jason was talking about

and you guys were talking about regarding the prosecutors and lawyers watching executions. So Jason talked about watching Law and Order, so I think he needs to refer to the earlier episodes where it's Benjamin Brett, Jerry Orbach, Sam Waterston, and I can't remember the actresses, the name for Claire Kincaid, but they all witness an execution. It's where Benjamin Brett's character ends up going

and having an affair, and Jerry Orbach goes off the wagon. Claire Kincaid ends up dying in a car accident later, spoiler alert. And it's just a little silly having listened to this episode and loving you guys so much, but this is a major law and order episode where all these prosecutors and lawyers are watching the execution regarding the death penalty in New York. I think it's the first time they execute one of their prisoners. So there's my omission. Thanks so much.

I love with your podcast. You guys do an awesome job. Have a great day. Whoa. Well, I guess there's Law and Order episodes I might have missed. Okay, well, there we go. I'm glad to know that this is true. And you know what? Score one point for the movie. Next up, Steve from New Jersey. Hi, Paul. Regarding law-abiding citizens, I thought it was hilarious that the CIA agent said we could not kill this guy for six months, then we called in Jerry Butler, and he flipped a necktie into his wardrobe that strangled him to death. If they could get a necktie into his wardrobe, why couldn't they get a bomb into his bedroom? That is all. Have a great day. Well, I mean, come on. It's so much easier to sneak a tie, and you just put that on the shelf.

A bomb click, click, click. There's wires, there's buttons, everything. I think the necktie was great. I love that. I think that that's a fun thing because you feel like, oh my God, they were in my house. They put the thing there. I put it on myself.

It's like the dog. They snuck it in the dog. That is where I think this movie should have done more. And I think that's why this movie was viewed as a seven-style film because it's like, you can't stop it.

You don't even know where it's coming from. You're actually doing it to yourself? This movie could have been so good. Okay. Now, here's the thing. Lastly, we're going to do something a little bit different today. Now, normally, this would only be about law-abiding citizen, but we did a matinee episode of 88 minutes, Pete Holmes, Al Pacino movie. We put that back into the feed,

and someone called with a correction and omission that had to be discussed. Had to be discussed. So, please take it away, Anonymous. Hi, I just was listening to the episode 88 Minutes with Pete Holmes and I had to stop and call in because they're currently debating whether or not Al Pacino was wearing a wig in the movie and I actually did his makeup and hair for something just a few years after that movie came out and I can confirm that that is his hair. Also that is his hair because that's how he wants his hair styled. So when I worked with him, it was for an interview. was not a union shoot. So I was doing his makeup and his hair.

And he was lovely and I did his makeup. And then when I went to do his hair, I reached out to touch it. And my fingers just grazed against it for one moment as I was going to start to style it. And he dodged my hand, like slipped his head to the side and said, no, no, no, no, no. The hair is fine. Thank you so much. The hair is good. and what I had felt when my fingers made contact was it clearly had been doused in just an enormous amount of hairspray, which makes sense in hindsight considering the height ratio to the depths.

It was very, very thin, but incredibly tall. And this was only a few years later. There's like four years after eight minutes, but it was thinner. considerably taller even than in 88 minutes. So I would also venture to guess that the makeup or the hair department on the film used, you know, there's various powders and things you can apply to make it look fuller. But definitely it was the way that it was because he had really strong feelings about his hair height, especially. And when I was done with everything, not his hair, he was like, okay,

great, thank you. And the producers came up to me and they were like, hey, did you want to touch the hair a little bit? And I said, I tried and he ducked away from me and said the hair is good. I believe he did it himself. And they said, then it looks great. And so I didn't tell anyone that I did Al Pacino's hair and makeup that day for that project, even though it was really exciting for my career because I didn't want people to think that I did that to his hair. But he was really happy and it made him happy. And that makes me happy because he was a pretty nice guy. And that is all. Oh my goodness. Oh my goodness. I don't, wow. First of all, thank you for sharing that. I think you did it in the best possible way. You know, look, it's his hair. And I think old guys that used to have

a big, thick head of hair, they get nervous when it gets a little bit different. I don't mind it being like that. It's not like a comb over, but I get it. There's things were happening, right? And maybe, you know, maybe there were things in there that all pull together. Wow. I love this. I love it. I love it. I love it. I love that he's a good guy. I told you, or maybe I may have mentioned it. I did a movie where he was hanging out with one of the actors in the film and one day just decided he would just wait in the car outside set the entire day. Never came to set, but just waited for his friend to come out. And I thought that was the sweetest thing. Al Pacino, great guy, great head of hair. And I feel like whenever I see it, it's still there.

Who knows? Who knows what's going on? I don't need to hair shame anybody. But I'm glad that it's not a wig, and I'm glad that he is that passionate about it because if he likes it, I love it. And you know what? Look, nothing is going to beat that. I mean, Truly, right? Nothing is going to beat a good old Al Pacino hair story. And you know what? Instead of just giving you a theme song anonymous, I'm going to give you a chance to attend a death throw execution of your choosing. That's right. You can cosplay as Jamie Fox's character, Nick Rice, courtesy of our new sponsor, Dead Nation. That's right. Live Nation tickets. is launching their brand-new Sprinoff brand, Dead Nation,

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completely real prize next time. All right, remember, submit your comments, your queries about the episodes that we're doing. And if you have something as good as the Al Pacino story, please bring it there. And I got to say, I know that it was tough to beat our anonymous person, but I really do appreciate our good friend, Sean McBee, for reading the script and telling us where the movie actually made sense. And I'm always flabbergasted when they change things that make sense. Anyway, you all are amazing. And coming up after the break, we are going to be joined by Jason Manzukas. We're going to chat about TV, music, movies, and everything. But first, take a listen to this bonus deleted scene from our Law Abiding Citizen

Live show, where we go off on a tangent, and we talk about the late, great Philip Seymour Hoffman. We just did a movie that had Philip Hoffman, as he was credited, his first screen role, which was as a high school student, and it was absolutely bananas. It was, my boyfriend's back is the movie. movie and I cannot recommend it enough. On the queue. He was doing almost a comedian del art performance.

It's like hat backwards. Like, what's that man? It's straight clown work. I mean, I love, look, I love Philip Seymour Hoffman. I love Philip Seymour Hoffman. But as you go back through the catalog,

there are a lot of moments where you're like, the dude is chewing the scene. Oh, yeah. Chomp, chomp, chom. He's eating everything at lunch And then everything during the second half of the day. Give it to me. Give it to me.

Because I saw like a clip of him in that movie with Ethan Hawk. The devil knows you. Oh, God. And I remember loving that movie when I was like, I think, yeah. Who wrote that movie? Is that the Palmer? It's Lemaet. Lema.

I remember loving that movie. And then when you, I think it's Lemaith's last movie. When you go back and watch it now, there are so many of those like bad improv where like actors do improv, they don't know how. And they're just talking about like, Like, yeah, it's a nice day out saying, huh? Nice day. I saw Ethan Hawk tell a great story about that movie that every morning Lomette would come to his trade.

Each of the, he would go and talk to them and kind of talk to them about their characters. And just kind of anecdotally to Ethan Hawk, kept mentioning just how incredible Philip Seymour Hoffman was coming off in the dailies. He's like, wow, we're watching the dailies. And Phil is so good. He's really, he's just going to places that I've never seen him go before. And Ethan Hawk was just getting more and more, like, aggressive and apprehensive and up. tight and so but I was so angry about it

and so he would come in trying to be bigger and badder and then finds out that Lament's going to Philip Seymour Hoffman and saying the same thing about either of it. So they confront Lament and he's like ah you guys are so easy to fuck with. It's like yeah and if you go watch that movie they're both at a 10

and Sidney Lament is like 92 when he made this movie truly maybe he couldn't hear them otherwise. Truly Welcome back I'm sure you notice every week. We release old How Did This Get Made episodes

back into our feed. These matinee episodes come out every Tuesday in honor of the movie's 40th anniversary. This week's matinee is on the BMX classic. It is a film that for many years

was unavailable, but now it's back in theaters. I'm talking about RAD. That's right. So go see RAD this Sunday, March 22nd. See it live, then listen to our episode

afterwards, and keep on checking out all of our replays of classic episodes every Tuesday. And now, without any further ado, it is time to welcome Jason to Last Looks for a little Just Chat. Rob from Long Island, play us in. It's the time of the show. It's the time of the show.

Which time is that? It's the time where Jason joins Ball and they J-U-S-T-C-H-A-T. Just chat. Jason, what's up? Paul, you know what? Boy, I've got a list of stuff that I've been watching and listening to and reading. I am excited. I got books.

I got music. I got it. We've got news. I think we have to start. Now, this puts a little bit of a time stamp on when we're recording this. So this is now going to be slightly old news. But I think it's imperative that you and I talk about the fact that Gerard Butler is no longer making plain.

Two. What? I did not know about this. They have canceled the sequel to our beloved plane and are now no longer making plane two. No. I believe this is a story that I just recently read. So it is not great. Well, you know, by the way, it was never going to be called plane two.

It was going to be called. It was going to be called train. Oh, ship. Oh, no, boat. Ship. Ship. Two weeks before production began. Yes.

Isn't that? What a bummer. And apparently, Gerard Butler, I'm looking at this. just pulled out. He's like, I don't, I don't want to do it. I got to think that's a mistake. I don't know what he's up to. I wonder if he, look, he knows what he's good at.

And he might have felt like it just didn't have the juice. Maybe it wasn't there. I don't know, because playing to me was gangbusters. Oh, yeah. I don't know if you, I tried to watch Greenland 2 and it wasn't working for me. The Greenland movies are a little too dramatic for me. They're not as fun. I mean, it was supposed to pick up, like, right where plane ended and go right to ship.

And that's G-Base. I can talk to our friends over at G-Base. We have some friends in the Darryb Butler world. We got to figure out what is what happened. I want to know what is what. I'm so, so curious. But there is, I mean, the great news is there's no shortage of fantastic stuff to watch. I'm going to recommend that people watch the new Jason Statham movie Shelter,

which I think is an absolute blast. in the John Wick just straight, not just John Wick, but like many of the other Jason Statham movies, it doesn't have the absurdity of a beekeeper, but it has like a very good, propulsive action movie. I'm excited.

Very fun, very good. Dark Winds is back, baby. So everyone loves this show. My favorite show on TV right now. Wow. I think this is the most slept on show on television. And there's lots of great stuff on TV right now, to be clear. Yeah, yeah.

And I just think this is season to season so consistent, so good, and such a fantastic example of world building that I cannot recommend it enough. It is an amazing show. And the new season, dun dun, done, tight as well of us in. I heard about that. And that's, and you know, Molly, Molly, who is one of the producers of the How Does It Get Made is a Dark Wins fan. and so she is singing its praises.

I got to get in. It's so good. It's got all my favorite people. It's got everybody in it is fantastic. And it's based on books in that way that a lot of times I find that sometimes I'm reluctant to commit to something because I'm worried it will get worse as time goes on a la Game of Thrones or something like that. But this is based on books. And everybody seems to think that they're doing an incredible job similar to like a slow horses taking those. books and making great seasons of television out of them. And so I cannot recommend it enough.

I am, I will recommend a book that I just read that was fantastic. And it's a novella. So, you know, easier to, like, for, yeah. So for people who, you know, I'm right now, I jumped into a big book, which I am loving, but I also know, like, I'm going to be here for a long time, which is Joe Hill's book called King Sorrow, which is, I am about 200 pages in and I'm loving it, but I'm in, that's about a, that's like about a thousand page. I'm going to, yeah, I'm going to, I will get through it. But by the way, also a funny thing that someone said, oh, I didn't know, you know, like, I'm a big fan of Joe's father.

And I always said, oh, who's that? And they're Stephen King. And I was like, what? Oh, yeah. And then I looked at the back cover. I was like, oh, he looks like, I never knew. I was a fan of locking key. I remember, I remember finding that out as well years and years after I knew Joe Hill stuff.

Yeah. No, I agree. I was totally shocked. So the book that I read. read that I really want to... A nepo baby. He's a nepo baby. I don't read Joe Hill because he's a nepo baby.

This is what I will say. This book, if you go and pick it up, I think you will love it. It is called A Short Stay in Hell by Stephen L. Peck. I don't want to tell you anything about it. Great. It's going to, you can read it in afternoon, if you'd like. It is so... I couldn't get enough of it.

I just thought it was such a... interesting. It's like a horror. I mean, people call it a horror. I don't think of it as a horror. I just felt like it was like a psychological trip. Really fun. So short stay and how is what I got here. Awesome. Oh, I love that. I can't remember if I shouted it out last time, but there's a couple of books that audio books that I've listened to lately that I thought were all fantastic. But the two that I'm going to shout out specifically were shouted out on the Action Boys podcast, one of which is the Ileana Douglas book, I blame Dennis Harper, which is fantastic. And the other is the Abel Ferrar, the director, Abel Ferrar, his book called Scene, that he reads himself and is just,

he's a character, his stories are insane. This was, again, another Ben Rogers action boys shout out. And it is a fantastic listen. And it's short. Okay, I'm going to put that on my list. Now, I know that you probably haven't had a chance to watch it because it just came out. but I highly recommend Chris Fumming's special. Oh, I haven't seen it.

Chris Fumbing has a brand new special. If you don't know Chris Fulming, I mean, he's getting a lot of traction right now as being like one of the most fearless comedians. I think that's like there's a great New York profile of him, which I agree with all. Like I just think he is insanely silly and funny. And he's just got an energy unlike anyone else. me feel the same way I felt like when we talked about Sarah Sherman, like watching that special. This is a T2B

great special. And he's so good. If you're in LA, you can check catch him at Largo. He's always kind of popping up Largo. And one of the cool things about Chris Fleming, he releases so much shit online. Because he's like, oh yeah, that might be funny tonight. And they may never be funny again. So he has a lot of like quick bits that you can kind of get into. But it is a great, great special directed by Bill Benz, but he, this thing made me laugh

so, so hard. And it's the new one. So I gotta remember, I think it's called. I love that. Yeah, live at the palace. I can't remember what it's called. And this is the opposite end of the spectrum

because I feel like Chris Fleming is on the up. This person has been there for a while. Kat Williams' new special. Oh, did. Once again, being taped in Florida and is absolutely. Absolutely nuts. I have saved that one.

I am ready for that. Just a couple of other, like, because we sometimes will talk about comedy. Will Hines has got a substack. Oh, yes. I love that substack. Great substack. If you're at all interested in improv, improv comedy, the LA comedy scene, anything like that. I can't recommend it enough.

And then he and Ian Roberts do a YouTube series that is improvised scenes where they're just two guys meeting for coffee. Yes. And they do scenes based on it. And it's all on YouTube. And a lot of it is very funny and worth watching. And I can't remember what it's called. But it's Will Hines and Ian Roberts, YouTube. You'll find it.

Well, I have a musical thing for you because, you know, some fans have reached out to me and said, you know, Paul, here's something you could let Jason know about. Okay. Because you can kind of surprise Jason with your knowledge. And I said, all right. So I was recommended this band. The Twisted Teens. They're a Australian, like, kind of rock band. And I love it.

It is great. Awesome. Twisted Teens on Spotify. I've really been enjoying it. They have a handful of albums out. And they're French indie, I guess. Yeah. I'm going to check it.

Okay. I love that. While we're on music, I'll shout out a couple of more albums that have come out recently that I think are fantastic. Snowcaps is a band that has the Crutchfield. sisters. Katie Crutchfield, you might know as Waxahatchie. Her sister was in the band Swerin and has put out solo records of her own. Snowcaps is them working together and boy, it is incredible. The record is phenomenal. Yeah. Julianna Barwick and Mary Latimore have released an album together called

Tragic Magic that is absolutely stunningly beautiful. Also, the artist Ichiko Ioba, I hope I'm saying that, right? Put out a record last year called luminescent creatures that I cannot stop listening to. That is, like, completely wormed its way into my entire year so far. And is fantastic. New album from dry cleaning, new album from dancer. A found song, a new song from one of my favorite bands, one of my favorite Glasgow, Scotland bands, Life Without Buildings.

They found and remastered a song that would never been released, get involved. It's fantastic. Whoa, all right. There's a new greenhouse album about to come out, probably out by now. And there's a new band that I love called Careful in the Sun that just put out a new record, and it's fantastic. Oh, wow.

This is, all right, this is a good list of people, yeah. Just because I mentioned Rishi Keshirwey recommended apothecary diaries to me, he does Song Exploder, which is one of my favorite music-based podcasts, but inside the Song Exploder feed, he's doing a

podcast called Key Change, where he interviews someone about a song that changed their life. And that is also a fantastic new podcast that I think is worth. Oh, I love that. Yeah. All right. Wow. You've given me some really good things off the bat. And I thought I was coming in with Twisted Teams.

I felt really good. I'm excited to check out Twisted Teams because all my stuff is mellow. And I was just thinking the other day, I need some new bands. I know. Because a lot of my stuff is like really chill, like quiet music. Yeah. I'll jump back to TV for a brief moment and say that one of my favorite all-time showrunner creators is Steve Conrad who made Patriots and Perpetual Grays Limited.

And his new show, DTF St. Louis is out now. A couple of episodes are out now by now. Absolutely incredible show. Like straight off the bat, incredible show. I am so excited about this. And I didn't realize it was the same guy. And there was a show that he made after Patriot that. I also didn't realize that he made that I was like, oh, this is a perpetual grace limited or

Ultra City Smiths? Ultra City Smith was the one. Yes. And I was a stop motion animation. Yes. And it's fantastic. So I got to catch up on this. You know, it's tricky because my wife does not like to watch anything that is written.

We are just trying to solve cold cases. We're trying to get to the bottom of cases that have already been solved. But now she's out of town. So she's out of town. and I got free reign of the TV every night. I mean, there's a lot to see. Have you watched the Dunkin' Egg, the Night of the Seven Kingdoms,

the new Game of Thrones series? I don't even know what that is. Oh, interesting. So actually, this counts as both a TV show recommendation and a book recommendation. So this is the, and actually, this is related to Steve Conrad because he wrote the original adaptation of this and was then taken off and rewritten.

But there's a series of novellas that George R.R. Martin wrote for the characters of Dunk and Egg. Okay. And it's a knight and his squire. And unlike Game of Thrones, which is palace intrigue and dozens and dozens of characters

and all these moving parts, this is the exact opposite. Okay. This is small-scale storytelling, just these two characters, and each novellas is like a couple of hours long. And so I listen to all, all the novellas on the audiobook, like you can finish it in 10 hours, I think.

Oh, wow. And they just did season one of a TV series, only six episodes that covers the events of the first novella and it's dynamite. It's such a good watch. It's so fun. It's funny. It is exactly the kind of Game of Thrones story that I would enjoy because it's not sprawl. The House of Dragons is too, I don't know what's going on.

There's too much. Yeah, I get that. It's too much. So this is much smaller and really fun, and I recommend it, both as worth listening to the audio book and also the show is terrific. You know, if you are at this moment struggling and being, I have to write all this stuff down. Don't worry about it. It's always in the show notes. We have been doing a very good job of that.

Also, if you go on the Discord, you can kind of jump in there and see what's happening there. Unless it's been discount. I mean, is it. Oh, out of curiosity. Yeah, go ahead. I was going to say, I have a little, like, a sneak peek. to get excited about. Okay.

My friend, who I think we talked about on the shoot-em-up episode, Ben David Grubinsky, a director who was behind the Scott Pilgrim anime show on Netflix. Loved it. Also did a movie with me and Joe McHale a couple of years ago. Has a brand new movie coming out called Mike and Nick and Nick and Alice. It is with Vince Vaughn and James Marsden. And I got to see an early screening. I'm actually even hosting a screening here in Los Angeles,

probably right around the time that you're hearing this. And it is great. Oh, nice. Fun. Oh, I love that. Vince Vaughn time travel movie. I'm not spoiling anything because they're in the trailer. But Vince Vaughn from the future travels a little while,

not tremendously far back to Vince Vaughn, like maybe a couple weeks earlier. And it's a gangster shoot him up. There's scenes in it that remind me of like drunken master. James Marsden is awesome. And it's just like, and also like Elisa Gonzalez is in it, right? And it's also Jimmy Tatro, Keith David. It's a cool cast. Yes.

And it's going to be exclusively on Hulu. It's going to be premiering at South by Southwest as well. Watch the trailer. Because the trailer, the trailer gets you pumped. And it does for me because it definitely has an Andrew WK drop in it as well. Okay. It's a fun one. So March 27th on Hulu is when this one comes out.

that. I'm also going to shout out. Thank you, Joanna Robinson from House of R for recommending the TV show Lovesick, the British sitcom Love Sick. Oh, I've seen this. Yes. I liked the episodes, but a couple of seasons rather, but is fantastic. And I just watched all of that. And then in movies, have you, I watched The Rip, of course. Oh, yeah, I loved in, Affleck and Damon. But have you watched, which I thought you would like, Secret Mall apartment? Oh, yeah. Oh, I was up on that. And we haven't talked about it and I love it. Give me this all day. All I want is this.

It is so fun, so weird. I think they're even doing a screening of it in the mall or they have like, oh, that's funny. Yeah, they've been doing like some fun things. It should get more attention. But now it's out streaming in a, I think probably on HBO Max at this point. I think I saw it on Netflix, maybe. Okay, maybe that's what it is.

That's a really. So, so good. I can't recommend it enough. I had a blast watching it. I was going to say, you know what I really enjoyed? It's a really fun. If you're in the mood for like, it's not how did this get made me because it's quite effective, but it has those elements that make it kind of fun, which is the housemaid.

Paul Feige's. Oh, haven't seen it yet, but got me got to. I'm excited. It is fun as hell. I'm really like, I really, I really dug it. Yeah, great. And June and I were watching it and just fully caught up in it. Yeah, silly and not silly, but like,

can't be in the best possible. Yeah, no, it looks like it's a fun time, which I, all I want. And I got to see, I may have said this out here and I'll say it again because, God damn it, I believe it. Amanda Seafreed running one of the best careers in the game. Oh, yeah. Like, she's just killing it. Turned up on one of the, YouTube sent me some video of her playing auto harp and singing

Joni Mitchell songs on some late night talk show. And I was like, fuck, this is incredible as well. She's cool as hell. She's cool as hell. Very cool lady. I'll shout out some YouTube stuff. Raga's Live, the Indian classical music and other experimental music festival that happens every year in New York. This year's festival is all on YouTube now, and I cannot recommend enough.

One incredible performance after another, Raga's Live. I'm really digging the Iron Snail, which is this guy who lives in Maine and who does long-form YouTube essays that are about clothes and old-school clothing companies. or what it is to build, like, what it is to have different kind of wool sweater and why are, why are our sweaters falling apart and what used to be a... Well, they're not falling apart if you get him at Quince. Oh, boy, here we go. I just want to say, Jason, like, if you want... Here's the thing.

They are able to cut out the middleman. Anyway, I don't want to... Hey, like, I don't need to sell you on it. But if you do go there, use that offer code bonkers and you'll get stuff that's not going to fall apart. I'll guarantee you there's going to be a YouTube show about, how do they make this stuff feel good? The show that I'm looking for, the show that I need the fans help, someone find this and send it to me, please, is the British sitcom Movie Club. Can't find it.

Oh, wow. Anywhere, it looks great. I want to watch the TV show Movie Club. So can you please find it? All right. And also, I was a guest on the Hank Green YouTube show called Ask Hank Anything. Oh, wow. That was an absolute blast.

So go watch it, please. I love that. He asked me to ask him. lots of questions that were like science-based and stuff like that. And I did. And he had answers. Oh, I love that. Jason, what a pleasure. We did it. We will talk soon. And... Cannot wait. Yeah, cannot wait. Always a blast. Thank you, Jason, for popping in. And a reminder that we put the entire list of our recommendations in this episode's show notes. So take a look there. If you can't remember something you wanted to check out. All right, it is now finally time to announce our next film.

Next week, we are going from a prison inmate to hips that gyrate. That's right. We'll be watching 1990s the forbidden dance starring the former Miss USA Laura Herring. IMDB breaks in the

plot by saying a Brazilian princess tries to save the rain farce by introducing America to the electrifying exotic Lombada.

Rotten Tomatoes gave this film a 25% score on the tomato meter and John Parellis from the New York

Times wrote in his review, its dance sequences are barely sexier than a bowling tournament

but connoisseurs of clunk funky dialogue and shameless continuity lapses should look no further. And you know what, John, you are right. And that means it's a perfect film for us. Take a listen to the trailer. From the jungles of the Amazon to the heart of America, only one dance can turn feeling into rhythm, strangers, into lovers, passion into fury. She is hot. The danger behind the beat. The magic behind the music.

The Forbidden Dance Lombada. You can stream the Forbidden Dance on Tubi or Rented at all the usual places. Now, we are going to discuss this more within our episode, but heads up there is another movie about the Lombada that came out in 1990 on the same exact day. That is called Lombada. Make sure you watch The Forbidden Dance, not Lombada, okay? It's tricky, the Forbidden Dance.

Anyway, that is a wrap on last. looks. If you listen on Apple Podcasts or Spotify, please rate and review us. And also make sure you are following us and have automatic downloads turned on. It helps the show. It helps the show. Make sure you have automatic downloads turned on. And I got to tell you, we appreciate it. Visit us on social media. Leave comments. Do all that good stuff. And a big thank you to our producer, Scott Sondi, Molly Reynolds, our engineer, Casey Holford, our social media manager, Zoe Applebaum, our intern, Quinn Jennings. And of course, we will forever be thankful to the one and only Averallie. We'll see you next week for

The Forbidden Dance.