How Did This Get Made? - Last Looks: Mindhunters

Episode Date: April 17, 2026

An FBI profiler, military detective, and physics teacher all chime in with A+ corrections & omissions on last week's Mindhunters episode! Plus, Jason and Paul recommend a bunch of stuff they're currently loving, from books and documentaries to a bonkers Taco Bell TV special. And as always, Paul announces the movie we'll be covering on next week's episode.   JASON & PAUL'S MOVIE/TV RECS: Miller’s Crossing Bookish Taco Bell's Live Más Live 2026 Jujutsu Kaisen Sentenced to Be a Hero Frieren: Beyond Journey's End Paddy Chayefsky: Collector of Words Breslin and Hamill: Deadline Artists   JASON & PAUL'S BOOK RECS: Star Wars: Sanctuary (A Bad Batch Novel) Strangers: A Memoir of Marriage by Belle Burden   JASON & PAUL'S COMIC BOOK RECS: Batman by Matt Fraction & Jorge Jiménez The Avengers in the Veracity Trap! by Chip Kidd The Super Hero’s Journey by Patrick McDonnell Batman: The Cult Deluxe Edition by Jim Starlin The Furry Trap by Josh Simmons Dream of the Bat by Josh Simmons One Hand and The Six Fingers by Ram V Dawnrunner by Ram V • Go to hdtgm.com for tour dates, merch, FAQs, and more• Have a Last Looks correction or omission? Call 619-PAULASK to leave us a voicemail!• Submit your Last Looks theme song to us here• Join the HDTGM conversation on Discord: discord.gg/hdtgm• Buy merch at howdidthisgetmade.dashery.com/• Order Paul’s book about his childhood: Joyful Recollections of Trauma• Shop our new hat collection at podswag.com• Paul’s Discord: discord.gg/paulscheer• Paul’s YouTube page: youtube.com/paulscheer• Follow Paul on Letterboxd: letterboxd.com/paulscheer• Subscribe to Enter The Dark Web w/ Paul & Rob Huebel: youtube.com/@enterthedarkweb• Listen to Unspooled with Paul & Amy Nicholson: unspooledpodcast.com• Listen to The Deep Dive with June & Jessica St. Clair: thedeepdiveacademy.com/podcast• Instagram: @hdtgm, @paulscheer, & @junediane• Twitter: @hdtgm, @paulscheer, & msjunediane  • Jason is not on social media• Episode transcripts available at how-did-this-get-made.simplecast.com/episodesGet access to all the podcasts you love, music channels and radio shows with the SiriusXM App! Get 3 months free using the link: siriusxm.com/hdtgm Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

This week, an FBI profiler, a military detective, and a physics teacher all call to add their two cents on a movie that no one could make sense of. Plus, we will find out how Mindhunters ripped off Agatha Christie. And guess what, people, it's time to go back to 1987 because Black Monday is on Netflix. That's right, all this and more on a brand new. How did this get made last looks? Hit the theme! Big smoothations such a shine. We're chasing to the tagline red dog guests.

Hello to all my Mindhunters. Welcome to Last Looks. I am Paul Shear, where you, the listener, get to voice your issue on Mindhunters. A movie that Discord user Sean McBee thinks should have had the tagline, Mindenders. Their only weakness? Bullets. Thank you, Sean.

Sean McBee for that amazing tagline, which of course is a reference to LL Cool Jays' amazing one-liner after killing Johnny Lee Miller. I don't remember it, to be quite honest with you. I mean, I laughed at it because I thought it was funny, but don't remember that that's a reference at all. And that's why Sean McBee is the champ. He doesn't need you to remember the movie. He just needs to get you.

And he got me. A big shout out to Chris Cheney for that opening theme song, Chris, you killed it. Remember, if you have an alt movie tagline, you can submit it to us on our Discord at Discord.g.g.org. And if you have a last looks theme song like Chris, you can just go to hdtgm.com and click on the submit a song button on our homepage. Remember, keep them short, 15 to 20 seconds is best. If you don't remember any of that stuff, just remember, just go to hdtgm.com.

It's so easy. Everything is there. You got pictures, you got merch, you got episodes, and you even got links to the Discord in my book. Everything is there. So don't worry about writing it down, because I know everyone just reach for a pen and paper because we're all just going analog. No, no, just go to HDTGM.com. You can remember that. Today, what are we going to be doing? Well, I'll tell you, we're going to stay pretty much on track

to every single episode of this series, which is we're going to go to your corrections and omissions on Mind Hunters. Then Jason Manzukas, he is going to pop in. We're going to talk a bit about guess what? Stuff we like. And then, of course, I will reveal the movie for next week's episode. Now, lastly, I'm going to play a phone call from our friend Garrett from Chicago. He called in with a question that kind of segues nicely into the last thing I wanted to plug. Garrett, what's on your mind? Hey, Paul. I was just listening to the last Netflix for Bidden Dance, and you were saying that you couldn't get Black Monday anywhere.

And then today I see it's coming on Netflix in like a week or two. Did that conversation ever have anything to do with that? or did someone stronghold somebody after listening to that? Because it literally just came on there. All right. Just wondering, I think you guys. Great show. Love the show.

When listening to it for 15 years. Wow. All right. All right. All right. Netflix is now the home of Black Monday. Three seasons of Black Monday on Netflix. It's me.

It's Don Cheedle. It's Regina Hall. It's Andrew Annals. It's Casey Wilson. It's June Diane Rayfield. Eugene Cordero. Yes, Sir Lester. The list goes on and on.

The first episode directed by Seth Rogen and Evan Goldberg. It looks amazing. It's shot an an anamorphic, which, if you know anything, it looks pretty fucking cool. Anyway, I love Black Monday. I just started rewatching it. I haven't watched it since it first came out, and the show really holds up. And I hope more people find it. And I hope this is your chance to go check it out.

Every season just gets more and more crazy. It's just jam-packed. with just amazing people, wall-to-wall, great performances. So I hope you all like it and enjoy a little Black Monday, whatever day you put it on. All right, that's all the plugs that I got. Oh, and was it my fault for saying it on Mindhundred? Yeah, probably. I'm sure Netflix heard me say it, and then boom.

I will say this. I did post a couple of things, and I got a lot of responses. We've been kind of hitting a brick wall at that show for a long time. So I'm going to say it's the power of how to this get made so we can all embrace it. All right, that is all I got for plugs. Let's get into it. Last week we talked at length about mind hunters. Well, we had questions, and we might have even missed a few things.

Here is your chance to set a straight fact-check us, if you will. It is now time for corrections and omissions. For all the things we talked about, there were things we did leave out. So now it's time for corrections and omissions. Thank you, Dornheim for that theme song. Let's go to the Discord. The mediocre pumpkin writes, The N-line where L.L. Cool J calls back to Val Kilmer's rule that the situation isn't secure until the ride home is frustrating for multiple reasons.

June correctly said it's dumb because they're not actually on the ride home yet, but it's also especially frustrating because LL wasn't even in the earlier scene when Val-Kilmer used that line. he also was not a part of the profiler training program. So how does he know? Mediocre pumpkin, you brought up a bunch of good points there. Could have so easily been switched to the other person. Wow, it is shocking to me. A movie like this would make such a blunder.

And the only answer I could say is he is the teacher. That's right. Val Kilmer is just a decoy. L.L. Cool J is actually teaching the class. Val Kilmer is his puppet, and that's the final reveal. You see, you thought you found, oh, and a mission, but what you didn't realize was you revealed just how dumb you are. You didn't get the bigger point that L.L. was the teacher all along.

It's right there for you. It's right there. How did you miss it? Hope no one else missed it. Dr. Guts, 1003 writes, presumably Val Kilmer had set up. up the island to have all sorts of clues to help the team profile and capture his imaginary puppeteer killer. So how come outside of the, you know, initial mannequin corpse crime scene, they never come across anything else that is connected to the simulated crime?

That's a great question. I would imagine it's because they are running for their lives. I mean, they are full on in panic mode. It would have been great if they found a clue and then realized it was just like a decoy clue. I would have liked that as like a twist. But I don't think this movie was smart enough to handle anything that complex. I think the minute a real serial killer is on the island, everything is out the window and we're off to the races. You would have thought that maybe Val Kilmer would have had a couple other people with them, maybe hiding out on that. Nope, nope, nope. I mean, honestly, the mine hunters should have killed some more innocent people, is what I'm saying. Dr. Guts also writes that I thought it was worth mentioning that Reni Harlan dropped out of directing

another how did this get made classic A Sound of Thunder to film Mind Hunters instead. Ooh, interesting. If you don't remember a sound of thunder, I believe that that is the time travel movie

where someone steps on a butterfly and then like they're running from dinosaurs. Were they running from dinosaurs? There are dinosaurs and there's butterflies. I know that. I know that someone steps on a butterfly, but it's not the butterfly effect with my man, the coach.

Arkham Player writes, I'm not exactly in shape, but as a wheelchair user, I question Vince's ability to hold himself up on the pipes for so long. Upper body strength in wheelchair users is kind of a myth unless you're training for like the Paralympics or a marathon. Wheelchairs are meant to make moving easier and not meant to be a device in which people improve their upper body strength. Now, I'm not saying I'm willing to test this out on Mythbusters anytime soon, but the tires on a wheelchair are made of rubber. so Vince would have been grounded protecting him for getting shocked by electricity.

Wow. Arkham player, first of all, thank you for giving us a really solid fact check. Yeah, I would imagine that the wheelchair for him is probably the safest place. Maybe...

I can't quite figure out the logic here either, except for the fact that they just wanted him to hang from pipes. And that pipe scene was so exciting, I guess. All right, please do not test this theory out. Arkham player already has told me he won't, but I don't want anyone else to try to electrocute themselves in a wheelchair. We will let the professionals deal with that. All right, let's go to the phones with Jay from Ohio.

Hey, Paul June and Jason. Just a note on Mindhunters, you all remarked at the beginning about the scenario of Alcomer put them in when he was more of a tactical exercise versus the profiling one. This is true. FBI profiler training is more psychological, and the rating part of catching killers would probably fall more to a dedicated FBI tactical unit or even a local law enforcement squad team. That said, profilers are typically still special agents or criminal investigators who have arresting powers and are armed. Depending on the nature of a warranted search, they may actually be the one that's doing knocking on the door as well. They also do train on certain scenarios like this were force may be required. They use simulated firearms that shoot chalk-like projectiles, which I can say hurt like hell.

I've actually assisted on some of these posing as anything from an aggressive protester to a convenience tort robber. It's actually kind of fun. That said, none of the training I've observed or taken part in was as elaborate as they said. And it seems like some fraud waste and abuse investigations are required on the part of Valcomber's character. So keep up the great work. P.S. Paul. My wife and I both love your book. Thanks.

Bye. Oh, man, Jay, thank you so much for reading my book. Also, whoa, these chalk pellets. Were you shooting them? or were you getting shot with them? Either way, I guess what you're saying is this movie not really based in reality. Well, I was on your side.

And then I got this phone call from my friend Stoddard. Stoddard, take it away. Hello, Paul. This is about mine hunters and where to begin so many things to talk about. But there's one that I think I have a specific insight into. in the military, I was on a SWAT team and I was a detective. And when I went to the Detective Academy,

they actually had a place called Scenarioville that was abandoned military housing. And in those houses, they would set up crime scenes with dummies and fake blood, sometimes with real blood, if they wanted you to test, you know, use one of the kits to detect blood, broken windows, weapons, or items laying around so that that way you would be able to go in and actually sketch your crime scene and make your measurements and then take all your photographs and collect the crime scene evidence correctly and that way you would be trained and you would be tested in the same area

and although it wasn't as elaborate as what is in the film certainly it was kind of crazy watching it and going it's not that far off it's just it's just cranked up to 11 is what they did in the film and I just turned it up to 11 you know it was pretty crazy when I was doing it

I remember thinking this is this is kind of bizarre that they've just made an entire crime scene and then you've got instructors to kind of stand around watching you or or they'd be watching you on a camera like in the movie so yeah

there you go a little inside information love the show take care scenario bill i love it i love but it wasn't that like it seems like what you're doing there is like crime scene like evidence collecting that that feels normal to me i don't think that they create full on like uh like huntings they weren't sending you out to knock on doors were they maybe they were i don't know i like scenarioville. Let like, is it like Lars Van Trier's Dogville?

No, all right, this makes sense. The movie obviously based in reality, but guess what else? It's based in plagiarism. Check it out.

Alwyn from London coming in hot. Take it away. Hi there. I was not familiar with Mindhunters before the most recent episode, but what I was familiar

with was Agatha Christie's book and then there were none. And the more I listened to week's episode, the more familiar some of the plot of elements of Mind Hunter became. They're both about a group of people trapped in the island being picked off one by one by the killer, who is someone among them. And if it was just that, I probably wouldn't have thought about it. But it clicked for me when you mentioned on the pod the way each person is killed in the movie plays on their vice. And in the aggrishtry, each person is being killed as punishment for something terrible they've done.

There's also the element of each of the death being foreshadowed ominously before they happen. In Mindhunter, it sounds like it's the clocks. In Christie's it's with an eerie poem that the book takes the title from. There's also the tension of the group turning on each other's and what people are eliminated, suspicions grow, and very specifically in both, there's a message projected over audio designed to scare people. And then finally, at the risk of spoiling the book, there's a plot twist of the killer being someone who faked their own death about halfway through the killings, only to return alive at the end.

So it seems beyond the realm of coincidence at this point, I probably could find more if I watched the movie. and I have to wonder if mine hunters is actually just a way worse rip-off of Agon-Christis, and then there were none. I would love to hear your thoughts. Oh, when you are 100% right. This is a direct rip-off of, and then there were none. And great job putting together those context clues.

I've seen that. I didn't even put that together. I've seen it. Well, yeah, I've seen it. I didn't read it. And I'm not going to lie about that. I've seen the movie. And you are completely right.

So many websites call this out. I don't know how they got away with not, you know, saying it was based on that story, but I guess they added enough stuff to it that just kind of push that out of sight. I mean, enough serial killer tropes. And that's kind of what they're saying is that they overlaid a lot of 90s stuff on top of Agatha Christie. So All one, way to go for being well read and getting it just from a few. context clues. Next up, and finally, Liz from Wisconsin. Hi, Paul June and Jason. I just listened to the Mind Hunter episode, and I was listening to talk about the liquid nitrogen attack. I am a physics

teacher, and I, in college, we did experiments with liquid nitrogen, and I just thought I'd share a little bit about my experience there, because your instincts that it shouldn't do what it did in the movie are absolutely correct. It shouldn't have done really anything at all. It would evaporate really quickly. We used to have a duer, like a cylinder full of liquid nitrogen to use for experiments, and people would kind of dare each other to stick their

hands in it, and you shouldn't do that. And it was important to, you know, take off any rings or metal jewelry you were wearing. I never was quite brave enough to, but I saw my friends do it a number of times. You can stick your hand in liquid nitrogen and just pull it out real fast, and you'll be totally fine.

If it gets sprayed on your skin, it'll evaporate right away. So, there's no scenario where anything close to what we saw would have happened there. So I just thought I would share that I have personally seen people with liquid nitrogen on them. And they did not creep up and freeze them and make them shatter. Thanks for all you guys do. Love your podcast. Bye-bye.

Liz, are you telling me this movie didn't know what the hell they were talking about? See, I appreciate this. This is a week where we get military detectives, we get FBI profilers, we get FBI profilers, We get literature person. We get physics teachers. This is the kind of content that I need. Not just, oh, in one scene, the button was open. No, no, no.

I got fucking professionals here. Thank you, Liz. Thank you, All one. Thank you, Stoddard. Thank you, Jay. It does bum me out because then you're also, I guess, telling me that Terminator 2, the ending to that is also flawed? No.

All right. Back to the Discord. Jango 1 writes, what really irked me in this movie was the letters on the back of their jackets. There's a scene where all the jackets are laid on the table and you can clearly see the letters, even though the black lights aren't shining on them, which means they would have been clearly visible to the naked eye. Second, they reveal the letters, C-R-O-A-T-O-A, C-R-O-A-T-O-A, C-R-O-A, just so Clifton-C can tell the story of the Roan Oak Island colony. So you're telling me, Johnny Lee Miller put those letters on the jacket solely to have that story told preposterous. I mean, was that like a story that like, like, that Clifton Collins Jr. told all the time, he's like, oh, this would be great.

I'll make them tell it to everybody again. Like, oh, yeah, they'll just do the same story over and over again. I mean, I don't even understand. I mean, I guess I get, well, maybe that's a clue. that is technically a clue. He should have put Agatha Christie on the back of the jacket. Quantum Volt, wannabe profiler writes,

I was sad the trio didn't discuss the underwater final face-off between Johnny Lee Miller and Catherine Morris, where they aim guns above the water in what I think was a game of chicken with their breath control. I get Catherine's character is terrified of water, and it's supposed to be her conquering her fear, but there are so many problems from the guns being in the water for an extended period of time,

let alone whether Catherine would be able to hit Johnny at all. I thought that was the dumbest and funniest part of the film. I mean, Quantum Volt, you did it. You talked us through it. Yeah. I mean, I am tired of the underwater bullet thing. I think that that's the opening of the last James Bond movie. There is a period of time in the 80s and 90s

where every bad guy is going underwater with their guns and they're shooting slow bullets. I think that that's a Mission Impossible three, the one with the guy from Michael Clayton. And then it also is in lethal weapon. Like everyone is going underwater with guns and the guns are working fine. It's impossible. I believe that if you've never been underwater before,

holding your breath, it shouldn't be that hard. I don't know. I mean, she's afraid of water. I forgot about that. The movie is dumb. And that scene I thought actually was anti- climactic, honestly. So thank you for calling it out, and I'm sorry that we didn't get there.

I think sometimes our energy for watching the movie, like by the end of the movie, we're taking less and less notes because we've been just beaten into submission. Sean McBee writes, I read the script for Mindhunters and the finished film didn't deviate it from it too much. There are two things I wanted to mention. First of all, Sean, you read the script for Mindhunters? You belong up in the fancy category of our. profilers and lit majors and physics teachers.

Okay, so Sean goes, these are the two differences. During the end scene in the pool, instead of the silly holding the gun out of the water to shoot whoever runs out of breath first, Catherine Morris gets out of the pool, then dumps in liquid nitrogen before Johnny Lee Miller can get out, freezing him solid. Honestly, I like that ending better. I think that that's a cooler ending. It ties together, some bookends. And then the other scene that is different is there's a weird scene where Vince's leg twitches

And the team suddenly suspects that he's been faking his disability and is the killer They actually hold a gun to his head and say they're going to kill him if he doesn't stand up And he does stand wait what but even the script doesn't know if that was from extreme effort Or some weird nerve response despite this seemingly confirming their suspicions the group moves on from it pretty quickly it seems like they recognized in the edit that this didn't make a lot of sense and ended up cutting it. But they did leave in one shot of Vince's leg twitching earlier in the movie, and that was probably a setup for this scene. Wow, wow, wow. That is a wild, a wild thing.

And I actually really love the specificity of the Twitch because it just further convolutes and make everybody want to point the gun at each other because that's really what they're all doing after a certain period of time. Sean, you did the Lord's work by reading the script. And I got to say, you were not the only one. I mean, you know, to me, I feel like everybody brought their A game. And that's why the winner I'm going to pick this week, oh, it's going to be tricky. It is going to be so, so tricky. is going to be Alwyn from London

because Alwyn found something that no one else found and it was right out in the open. The clue was right there just like Crocatoa. And here is your winning prize. That's right. You're not going to get a prize

that you can hold in your hand, but you can get this. A free profile of you from me. That's right. I'm going to put on my FBI profile hat and based solely on the info available in your submission, I am going to tell you all about you. Scott, hit me with some dramatic profiling music.

All one from London. Well, what do we have here? It looks like she's extremely armed with opinions. That's right. Within minutes of meeting you, she will be able to diagnose you as a killer or a victim. Having read every Agatha Christie novel, she knows immediately which character you are playing in real life, because Agatha Christie has written everyone's life in her novels. We are just living them. And if you dare tell her about a movie or TV show, she'll tell you which novel that was ripped off from. You say, oh my gosh, I love Family Matters.

She goes, well, guess what? That's just the crooked house, which is an Agatha Christie novel. You go, oh, I love what's happening. She's like, oh, that's just five little pigs. Oh, Alwyn, you're so smart. But beware, if you ever catch her in a locked room or around a Belgian man, something is amiss. You can often find her in libraries.

And guess what? She does have a favorite. Agatha, Christie character, but she won't tell you who. And if you ever mispronounce her Kiel Perrault's name, she will never forgive you. The same way. She will never accept Benoit Blanc. into her heart because that's

not Christy. That's Johnson. Anyway, I don't know what I'm doing anymore. I hope you enjoyed your profile. I'm sure that's 100% accurate based on all the information I know about you. Anyway, for those who didn't win, be thankful.

But guess what? You can try next week to get your prize. Maybe not an FBI profiler. Maybe we won't do that again, but something else. Who knows? Anyway, keep on submitting your correction. and omissions on our Discord or by calling us at 619, P-A-U-L-A-S-K. Coming up after the break, Jason will stop by for a just chat, so stick around. Welcome back. By now, I'm sure you've noticed that every Tuesday, we re-release classic

how-did-this-it-mated episodes back onto our feed. This week's classic episode was The Adventures of Pinocchio and in honor of Dr. Guts 1003, informing us that Rennie Harlan almost directed a sound of thunder instead of mindhunters. Next week's classic re-release will be our own episode on A Sound of Thunder. And a little bit of trivia for you. A Sound of Thunder was originally supposed to star Pierce Brosnan, who happens to be the lead in the new movie that we are covering for next week. But you're going to have to wait just a little bit longer before we reveal what that movie is,

because right now it is time to welcome Jason. Two last looks for a little, just chat. All right, Rob from Long Island with a classic just chat theme. Jason, how are you? You know, Paul, I'm doing great. You know, I feel like we're right now, you know,

we're in April showers and I feel like, you know. Listen, they're going to bring those May flowers. Oh, I hope, Jason. I really, really hope. I hope we get May flowers this year. Mayflowers would be a great name for like a, like a 1940s actress. Oh, that's

May Flowers. Oh, I love like a, like a, it's stage name. Her real name was like Peggy Lasbert known as Mayflowers. Mayflowers is good. Oh, she was murdered. She was murdered. May Flowers? Murdered. Well, she was dating that mafia guy. Like he was old school. By the way, this is it. He betrayed Capone and it's starting to sound like I just not just, I mean, I don't know when this is coming out because we're recording, but it was recently, I will say, not to timestamp when we're recording this, St. Patrick's Day. And And I have adopted our friend Owen Burke's St. Patrick's Day viewing routine, which is I watched

Miller's Crossing, the Cohen Brothers movie. Miller's Crossing, which he watches on St. Patrick's Day. And boy, it's just one of my absolute favorites. Oh, I love that. I love that. By the way, I'm looking up if there were any May flowers. And it seemed like there is a Maya flowers and a Sandra May flowers. But we are pretty much, we're good.

We're good. We could do that. Yeah, we got it. Maya flowers is different. And if your name is Maya flowers, change it to May. Like, why? You're so close. I mean, yeah, that's true.

I mean, I wonder if she goes by May. Probably not. Maya is such a short name. You don't need a name for it. Well, like, if you're going to name your kid, Maya, then just name her men. But what if you were trying to say like, oh, those are Maya flowers? Now, now you're talking. And now I get it.

Oh, my gosh. I love it. I think we should, here's what we should do. Yeah. A la Tilly Norwood, we should create an AI actor named May Flowers. Now that's, I'm in. Okay. And maybe instead of like Tilly Norwood's like kind of, she's like a young ingenue,

maybe May Flowers is we do, our AI is like a stand up comedian who just, just does Matt Rife style crowdwork. Oh, okay. Now, see, you're going that direction, and I'm thinking, what I was thinking that you were going to go for was we create like a June Squib. She's just very, very, very old. But by the way, let's mix them together. She's an old, like, because you could do it.

Yes, you know, it's like, you can do it for years. She's not going to, you know, she's, you know, she's an elderly stand-up comedian who just does crowd work. To great success. because she is getting this intergenerational audience. It's like the young kids love her because she's cool and she's hit. But the older people are like, finally, this person can speak for me. And because it's AI, we can have her be literate in all of the slang and everything for all the generations.

Oh, yeah. So she can speak authentically to Jenna Alpha and the baby boomers. But she's not playing down to it. Like she's not doing like, oh, it depends. Like, no, she's not doing that kind of stuff. Yeah. No, I think she's kind of like a real tells it like it is honest person. You know, like I think that the thing we need to prioritize in our new AI actors, I love.

And then this speaks for also the geek squad is people, what they want is the perception of authenticity. And that is why I think the more authentic we can make Mayflowers seem, our elderly stand-up comedian AI construct. The more authentic we can make her seem the better, you know. Yes. And I feel like that becomes, and this is where we're going to have to spend a lot of money. Now, I know a lot of people are not, you know, are like, hey, Paul Jason, don't, don't, you know, embrace AI. But we are doing something that, honestly, I don't think you can do, which is a 90.

And that's the reason to use AI. Exactly. Right. It's not taking a job away from anyone. We're doing, you know, we're doing a hundred year old person. It is. Yes. We're going to get one angry.

How dare you? You guys don't know. Even as a joke, even as a joke, I don't like it when they do this. Even as a joke, it's not funny to joke a round about it. People are like, all right, all right. We're just enjoying ourself. Here are the names of five incredibly talented elderly comedians who never broke. Why don't you talk?

Why don't you give them a platform instead of your stupid, fake person? Oh, man. Oh my gosh. All right. I've got stuff that I'm watching. You want to hear about it? Yeah, sure. Get ready.

Did I talk about Bookish, the Mark Gaddis post-World War II detective show on PBS Masterpiece? No. Okay, good. Okay. So there's a show called Bookish that was on Masterpiece. It just finished its first season. And it's like the most Masterpiece Theater, British, uh, British, uh, uh, detective show. It is post-World War II, like right, right after the war. So it features like

bombed out London streets and everything. Mark Gattis, who you might know as the Mycroft in the Sherlock Holmes, Benedict Cumberbatch Sherlock Holmes. He's also the head of the Iron Bank on Game of Thrones. He's part of the Doctor Who world. Mark Gattis, you would recognize if you saw him. This is his show. He wrote and created it. And it's about a Sherlock Holmes. Esk detective who's helping, who consults with the police to solve crimes in post-World War II London. And it is dynamite. There's just a lot going on. There's a lot of layers to it that are very interesting.

But it's really just straight ahead. Every two episodes is one mystery. So it's basically like a movie length story. Oh, I love that. Yeah. So every two episodes is one mystery. A little like Luther-esque in that way, right? Very much. Yes. And it's so fun and it looks great. And Gaddis is fantastic. And there's a couple of like good reveals that come in and a couple of like longer running mysteries. But for the most part, it's a case of the week and absolutely beautifully done. It's called bookish. It's available now. The whole first season is up and it's terrific.

Oh, wow. All right. I got to watch that. I like that a lot. I think you'd really like it. It's really satisfying. Yeah, that seems really good. Are you reading anything right now? Because I'm reading a great book. I don't know if I talked about this. I read this book called Strangers, which is a memoir of a marriage by a Bell Burden, which is June was reading it. She's like, you got to read it. It's about this couple who's been together like this kind of New York City socialite whose husband leaves her.

It's a really great, compelling, quick read, really beautifully written. And it's during the pandemic? Yes, it happens like during COVID. and it's fascinating. I think what I love about it is on some level just talks about breakups and like that awkwardness of what a breakup is and how you feel and did you do anything wrong and how your friends treat you.

It really captures an element. And there's another part of this, which is like they are very affluent and they're within this like kind of a different cultural sphere in New York, which is great. I do think the reason why it connects so much is it's not like, it doesn't have like juicy bits. Like, oh, then we went to this house and we did this. It really just more is like how you fit in when you are a part of something and now you are singular.

Yeah. And I thought that book was really, really, really great. And I also... That was a much discussed when I was in New York doing that Simon Rich show. Everybody behind the scenes was reading. I guess it had just been excerpted in some... It had just been maybe in Vanity Fair or something. And that book was like everybody was talking about that book.

I got to read it. Yeah, it is a, she writes really well. I guess it started it as in New York Times. There's like a love section in New York Times. Like you can write like these stories about like relationships. Modern love. So she wrote that and it kind of grew out of that. But yeah, I highly, highly recommend that.

I really think it's a great. I will shout out. I don't remember if I mentioned this. I'm a huge fan of all the Star Wars audiobooks, specifically. I love all the Star Wars books, but the audiobooks, they do such a great job, sound designing them and making them feel very immersive. And the one that came out at the end of last year called Sanctuary, that is the Bad Batch, the TV, the animated show, The Bad Batch,

this is a novel for all of those characters, and it's fantastic. Oh, I love that. I'll throw out a couple of recommendations for comics. I'm very much enjoying Matt Fractions Batman run right now with Jorge Jimenez on our absolutely gorgeous book, fantastic. Two books, two longer books,

like hardcover books, The Avengers in the Veracity Trap, the Chip Kid book, was fantastic, and the superhero's journey. These are basically books where creators are putting themselves and doing graphic novels that are about their own personal relationship

to these characters and these stories. So there's a real blurring of the lines. Do you remember, like, we talked about, I think, on your pod, on your, maybe something you were doing, Marvel, 1985. Oh, yes, yes, yes. You know, it's a little bit like that. These are, these are incredible comics creators

who are writing these original stories that have themselves as components to them in it. And why and how all of these characters from the Marvel universe are so impactful and important to them, but told nonetheless in a comics style. So very good. The Avengers and the Veracity Trap and the Superheroes Journey. I loved both of those.

I will also shout out, I'm like very much enjoying, I just finished rather. They did a deluxe edition of an old Batman storyline called The Cult. And it's really takes place in a Gotham where like a cult figure takes over, like a cult leader, a religious leader, cult leader, takes over Gotham and starts to amass this incredibly powerful army of people who are doing whatever he says. And the parallels between its storyline and the world we're currently living in was chilling and very unsettling. And it's great. And it's from the 90s. You know, it's like an old, it's an old run.

but fantastic. They just put out a deluxe edition of it, and it's really great. Oh, I love that. I should check that out. I just got, I went out with our good friend, Jesse Falcon. By the way, you should come out to those dinners.

I've been trying to do a bi-monthly Jesse Falcon dinner, because he is a great hang, as you know. Jesse works in the Marvel world, but he gave me this book, The Furry Trap by Josh Simmons. And, whoa. Josh Simmons is nuts. Yes.

Yes. It is like a horror short story collection. And it is, I mean, there are things in it that I was like, it is, it's visceral. It's like, it's unsettling. Yeah. No, no. Josh Simmons stuff is very hardcore, very, it's great. It's really.

Does that book, I forget, have the Batman story in it? There's a Josh Simmons book. Dream of the bat is the is the one I'm thinking. Oh, yes, yes. Okay, I'm looking at that right now. And that's another Josh Simmons kind of twisted book that's great. And there's a few. It looks like it looks like the twilight of the bat and.

I don't know that I knew that. And then the birth of the bat. Yeah, this is interesting. I got to get more into him. Yeah, so it's like fan fiction. Because I think that's how I found out about Josh Simmons was also Jesse Falcon. Oh, wow. So that makes total sense.

Yeah, it was like, he's like, we got to go over here. I'm going to get you this book. I was like, all right, great. He's the best. I just love him. Such a good time. I've become obsessed with the comics writer Rom V. Okay.

And just two books of his that I really enjoyed. The one hand and the six fingers and Dawn Runner are two kind of graphic novel length books that I think are both absolutely terrific. Very cool. interesting comics writer right now that I think is really worth checking out. Now, I know that we are always recommending stuff that we really, really like. But Jason, there is something I do need to talk to you about that is kind of inexplicable in many ways, which is on Peacock, our favorite streaming platform.

We talk about it a lot. There was a special called Live Moss Live. Live Moss Live. Moss Live happened the Friday before the Academy Awards, and it was presented as an award show hosted by Vince Staples, and Liv Moss Live Live was a Taco Bell board meeting that was put on stage that I, Molly watched it with me and we are in complete, and it shook me to the core what this thing is because you'd think, okay, well, they'll have jokes and they'll do music. No, it is a straight up hour long.

It's like, oh, I work for Taco Bell and they're kind of like bringing me into the fold. And guess what they hired a couple interesting people. They have like Benson Boone comes out at one point and goes, let me tell you about this six-sided thirst trap. It's a caeserita Supreme. As Molly is saying right now, she says, post-apocalyptic fast food nightmare. Wait, but was it real? It's 100% real. It is a way for talk about the show off all their new products like the Crembroulet crunch wrap.

But they put it in an award show thing and you'd think, okay, well, Vince Staples is hosting it. No, just it's really the CMO. Like he introduces the show and then the CMO comes out and the CMO runs most of the show. And then they cut to cameos of people that are shocking. Like at one point they, it's like the money that went out to pick. pay everybody. And I don't fault anyone for taking Taco Bell money and showing up and drinking a cold brew horchata. Peacock. Okay. Live Moss alive. As I describe it to you, it's not close to capturing what it was. It's like,

oh, this would be funny. It's lame. It's weird. Because it sounds like what you're pitching me is like a Tim and Eric sketch. Right. Right. Right. Or something, you know. Yes. And it like it's really, it's all over. It's a show that they keep on telling you it's going to be full of comedy and music, but they never get to either one of those things. Like, it's like, yeah, I guess this is comedy. Some of the faces that you might know and recognize a lot of great friends of ours that are in it.

And I need to ask them a lot of questions about what it was. But a live event, it happened live. Were the dough boys on it? This seems like prime doughboys. Oh, no, it was Jason Sadecas, got it. Benson Boone, Rachel Bilsen. it was the Bella twins from the WWE.

Finneas from Billy. Phineas, wow. Like Tara Lipinski. What the hell? It is a wild ride. Anyway, and Vince Staples hosts it. I wonder how many people are watching that. I don't know.

Because you said it's long, right? It's like a long thing. It's an hour. It's an hour long. It's like a full length special. If you have Peacock, just try, The opening, you're like, oh, Paul oversold this. This is not bad.

The opening is the only part where I'm like, okay, there's a conceit here. And then once they get into the venue, which is the palladium, it is wild. Wild. That is very unsettling. I need everyone to watch it because I can't. I live through this with Molly and Wes. We did a special. You guys have, like, trauma.

that you need to talk about to talk through. We really like, give a trauma bond. It still sits with me. I'm like, what did I watch there? And, you know, and my, my and your, like, my radar for this, like, I'm fine. I can watch anything. I'm like, I haven't been bad.

This was on another level, something like, like, it was like we were forced to watch a company retreat where they're like, we got Tara Lipinski. So she's going to come out, talk about the crunch rap. Like, oh, that's amazing. People are going to nuts. It's almost like, it's almost like an inside out. like, you know, Gillette theater or something like that. Like, the product would host a performance. Right, and you don't even get that.

But now you don't get the performance. You just get, like, the board meeting of Gillette and some celebrities, like, walk through. Right. And it's, and it is that that same thing. I don't know if you've ever done this. I've definitely done this where you are, but kind of flown in. We'll treat you nice. We'll put you up in a night.

We'll pay you a little bit of money. You just come and say, hey, everybody. I'm so excited that everything is happening for Taco Bell. but it's like we don't do that on camera. No one knows that that ever happens. Right. That is like I went to Mexico one time to sit with a bunch of people who bought the most local advertising on FX at one point.

June and I went down and had a dinner and it was a lovely experience. It was a fine experience. Yeah. But man, oh man, this Live Moss Live. Okay. I'm going to check this out. I mean, check it out like at night. You know, get yourself.

Get yourself in whatever. own you need to do because you need to be a little bit. You need to, I think in the broad light of day, it will be a soul crush. Holy shit. That's very funny. I love that. Oh, it gives me the chills just to even thinking about it. But sorry, I didn't need to cut you off after Ron B.

I love that. I think that sounds absolutely bananas. I can throw a couple more things into the mix. Great. I'll just throw out in my continuing anime, obsession. I now have just watched season one of Jiu-Jitsu Kaizen, which is, I think, phenomenal. Like, oh, yeah. That and sentence to being a hero are two of like the best action shows that I've ever seen. Like the, though the fights and everything are absolutely beautiful and stunning,

gorgeous show. As stunning and beautiful as like the heartbreaking scenes of this season of Free Rinnar. I will say, absolutely the season of this season of Freerin, which I've already mentioned, is absolutely the best season of television maybe I've ever seen. The Hero of the South episode is absolutely incredible. The documentary about screenwriter Patty Chayefsky called Collector of Words is absolutely fantastic if you care about Hollywood. He is just such a fantastic character.

I cannot recommend that enough. As well as the documentary, Paul, which I think you would also like, which is called Breslin and Hamill, Deadline artists, which is about the relationship of Jimmy Breslin and Pete Hamill, the two like totemic New York journalists, New York City journalists. And it's about their friendship.

It's about their battles with each other. And it's also what I loved about it, which I think you would very much like about it, it is about that period of time in New York City that is so heady and so, wild and all of the footage is fantastic. All of the characters are fantastic. Oh, I love that. I think it's on an HBO. I'm almost positive. It's called Breslin and Hamill deadline artists. That one in the Patty Chayevsky documentary, I think, are absolutely dynamite. I love this.

All right, Jason, what a pleasure chatting with you, as always. Yay. But now it is finally time to announce our next movie. Next week, we are going from Johnny Lee Miller to Liquid Bomb Killer. That's right, we'll be watching 1992's Action Thriller Live Wire starring Pierce Brosman, Lisa Elbacher, from Beverly Hills Cop, and actor, activist Ron Silva.

I know it's silver. I'm so excited for you to watch this movie. It is a great one. Here's a breakdown of the plot. After a U.S. Senator is killed by a mysterious ingested liquid explosive, a bomb disposal expert is brought in to investigate the explosive

and uncover the terrorist plan. Now, there are not enough reviews, of live wire on rotten tomatoes, so instead we turn to Letterbox where user Silent Dawn writes a 90s trash action procedural that's mainly and hilariously about infidelity, while the rest of it revolves around water that explodes after being ingested. Wacky stuff. And you know what? Silent Dawn is 100% right. This movie Falcon Rules. Take a listen to the trailer. These attacks against members of the Senate come just a week before the revote on the anti-arms spell. Now there's a matter of my 10 million dollars.

Damn, you're talking about it. There's absolutely no trace of any kind of explosive or fragments from a detonating device. Keep digging. People don't just explode. You took a drink of water. Sweat. Shook. Move out. Move out. Then boom. That's it.

No. I left out the park where she swallowed a grenade. Now, LiveWire is not currently streaming anywhere for free, but you can rent. rent it in all the usual places. So I suggest that you do. I think you're going to be very happy with this choice. It is fun 90s trash. So that is all for the last looks.

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