How Did This Get Made? - Last Looks: Ski School

Episode Date: March 17, 2023

Carl Tart & Phil Augusta Jackson join Jason and Paul to chat about their hit TV show Grand Crew and the music/books they're all currently loving. Plus, Paul digs into Corrections and Omissions from Ski School and announces next week's movie. Places people, it's time for Last Looks! Paul, Jason, Carl, & Phil's Picks:Grand CrewXOXO, Gossip Kings podcastRevival: Live at Pookie's Pub by Elvin JonesAtomic Habits by James ClearThe Creative Act: A Way of Being by Rick RubinShangri-LA docuseries Go to www.hdtgm.com for tour dates, merch, and more.Follow Paul on Letterboxd https://letterboxd.com/paulscheer/HDTGM Discord: discord.gg/hdtgmPaul’s Discord: https://discord.gg/paulscheerCheck out Paul and Rob Huebel live on Twitch (https://www.twitch.tv/friendzone) every Thursday 8-10pm ESTSubscribe to The Deep Dive with Jessica St. Clair and June Diane Raphael here: listen.earwolf.com/deepdiveSubscribe to Unspooled with Paul and Amy Nicholson here: listen.earwolf.com/unspooledCheck out The Jane Club over at www.janeclub.comCheck out new HDTGM merch over at https://www.teepublic.com/stores/hdtgmWhere to Find Jason, June & Paul:@PaulScheer on Instagram & Twitter@Junediane on IG and @MsJuneDiane on TwitterJason is not on Twitter

Find out what Dave Marshack from Ski School is up to now and if Grand Crew exists in the same universe as Brooklyn Nine-Nine, plus we'll find out why there was a no dolly shots before noon rule on Ski School. All this and more on today's Last Looks. Hit the theme. Last Luxe. Last Luxe. Last Luxe.

Last Luxe. Last Luxe. Last Luxe. Last Luxe. Hello, my Section 8 Ski Students, I'm your Ski Instructor and party enthusiast Paul Shear and welcome to How Did This Get Made Last Looks as I will take you on a journey up to the tip of Mount Party and you will get to voice your issues on Ski School plus Jason and I will chat with our pals Carl Tartt, put your T's in chat for Carl and Phil Augusta

Jackson about the new season of their hilarious NBC sitcom Grand Crew. If you're not watching people, you're missing out, but we have a great conversation also about music in that little just chat segment. So stay tuned for that plus we are going to reveal next week's movie as well. But first things first, a big shout out to Sean Fogel. Sean, killing it with that theme, I loved it and we want more, more themes from Sean, maybe even from you. So if you have a theme, send it to us at HowDidThisGetMadeatEarWolf.com, that's HowDidThisGetMadeatEarWolf.com.

Keep them short, 15, 20 seconds, that's best. All right, let's get into it. Last week we talked at length about Ski School and now you get a chance to get on your soapbox. I don't know. Anyway, it's time for Corrections and Emissions. For all the things we talked about, there were things we did leave out. So now it's time for Corrections and Emissions. Thank you, Dornheim, for that great theme.

Let's go right to the Discord, Screaming Joe Blade. Okay, this is a great one. Screaming Joe Blade writes, This episode gave me flashbacks to my first couple of jobs in the Toronto film industry when I worked with both the director and DP of this film. I remember the DP talking about Ski School. Apparently, the Grip Department enjoyed the party scene in Whistler a lot and they were often in such bad shape in the morning that they had a strict no dolly shots before noon. Two other great memories working on these films were having to push a character's picture

vehicle into the shot as he pretended to drive up because the car didn't run, great. And having to pay most of my deals in cash because the production company had a bad reputation for running out of money and checks bouncing. It's a great introduction to filmmaking, you know what, Screaming Joe Blade, I did not expect this to have this kind of an inside scoop and I love every single detail, no dolly shots before noon, amazing. Johnny unusual writes, Our heroes being in Section 8 is actually gag. The term Section 8 is a U.S. military discharge term for those deemed mentally unfit for service

in a much less savory aspect of history. Crossdressers and LGBTQ people used to be placed in this category too and the TV show M.A.S.H. Corporal Klinger started crossdressing in an attempt to be given a Section 8 discharge. See, I knew that sounded familiar. Thank you for bringing that to my attention, Johnny unusual. Corgi Herter actually has a little bit of an addendum to that though because there's actually a real Section 8 snow sport institute in Canada where you can become a ski instructor.

Their website doesn't mention visible breasts, but they do advertise a laid back island lifestyle with ridiculous amounts of powder. The founder, by the way, Toby Leopakie, learned to ski at Whistler where a lot of ski school was filmed. So Corgi, are you saying that maybe this is a true story? This is a biopic? I mean, Scott, our producer chimes in and says their website also mentions their founder did in fact name the business Section 8 snow sport as a nod to ski school, which was his

favorite movie as a teenager. So party on, Tobin. I love that ski school has really taken over in this big way that I was not aware of. There's a whole episode of Always Sunday in Philadelphia that is basically a ski school sequel or a redo. I have to watch that one as well. Dr. Gutz 1003 writes, the announcer frequently refers to the competition in the first few days as being a qualifying event, yet the results don't seem to matter at all, as all

the sections are still competing at the end of the movie. If you're making the effort to have the announcer mention qualifying rounds, why not have that be the obstacle that prevents Section 8 from participating in the end? They could fail to qualify due to excessive partying or more Section 1 grappling hook shenanigans. Using Gene Wurmer want to be kick Section 8 out seemed like a lazy, half-hearted attempt at creating conflict. Wow.

Well, Dr. Gutz 1003, you think that this movie was lazy? You think that they didn't think it all through? But by the way, what you're presenting here is basically an obstacle that could not be overcome. Like if they are disqualified, they could not get into it. Like this idea of wanting to kick them out at least keeps them in the mix. You're just creating something that would take away the final ending. I'm not saying that I like the Gene Wurmer ending, but at least it gives us a reason

for the ending. You just want to cut it. You want the riches to win, Dr. Gutz? Is that what I'm getting? Anyway, let's go to the phones. Stephanie from New Jersey. What do you got? Hi, Carl.

This is Stephanie from New Jersey. I'm just calling about Ski School and a little upset by the fact that you guys said Ski School doesn't exist because in the 90s, as a kid, my mom would or my parents would send me away over Christmas break for like 10 days to Ski School. And it was pretty wild. I was a younger kid, so like it wasn't, you know, chainsaw wild. But then on top of that, I went on and became a ski instructor. And we definitely also have schools for ski instructors.

And those were a little bit more wild, more on chainsaw level. And there were girls and they did ski and they did talk. They weren't just in bikinis. So there you have it. All sorts of ski school for ski people. That's it. Bye. Whoa.

Breaking news. Stephanie laying it down. Ski school does exist and ski instructor school exists as well. And there is a lot of partying again, another check in the column that this is a biopic. This is gritty. This is real. This should have been nominated for awards. See people just took it for granted.

They believe that the story was so fantastical that it couldn't have been real the same way that Avatar has been received. People don't believe that that is actually happening. I have the proof. Call me on my Info Wars spinoff show where I talk about the truth about Pandora and the Teclun, which is that giant whale. Anyway, I'll get into it on that show. Kit from Los Angeles.

What do you got? So there's a scene where after they're like, they're like hooking up the camera to all the TVs and the clubs, they're going to film the guys supposedly as in fact. And one of the guys is like, hey, I'm having trouble with this. You have to use a manual. And he sets the manual on fire and handed to him and for whatever reason. And the guy's like just constantly like, it's just reading it in earnest, trying to like figure it out before it like burns up.

I just thought that scene was absolutely insane of, you know, we film full of insane things. That's all. Kit, I appreciate you just taking a moment to just get in on the on the on the small level. Just be like, this is insane. And you know what? You're right. In a movie of insane things, that is like when you think about it fully, one of the most

insane things, not not the obviously, I think the grappling hook is very much up there. But yes, I appreciate you just taking a moment to step back and appreciate the finer absurdity of this movie. And finally, Chrissy from Dallas. What do you got? Oh, hi, well, this is Chrissy in Dallas. And I am calling because I was on IMDb and I saw that the beautiful Victoria from this week's movie ski school also played Jen's mom in Dancing It's On.

That was her last credit roll. I thought that was very funny and to see her as a, I was going to answer. So thanks so much, enjoy your Oscars night, bye. Whoa, way to go Chrissy get on that IMDb. And I mean that sincerely, none of us picked that up. Now I got to look at a side by side. Man, oh man, way to go Chrissy that I, you know what, I think you, I think you're in the mix now, Chrissy, I think you're in the mix for winner of the week because you did

the research. Okay, let's go back to the discord catfish writes, I did not realize until I listened to the episode, but this movie ends with a giant plot twist. At the very beginning of the movie, Marshac says, you're too late to read. I've already put an emotion in a elaborate plan, a series of events diabolically designed to get rid of this mountain and you and your satanic presence forever. And in fact, he had, he'd already somehow brokered the deal for the model slash millionaire to purchase a mountain and rebrand it as party mountain.

Since he already has an in with the future owner, he knows that nothing said nor done by read or the current owner matters at all. While watching the movie unfold, you think Marshac's aloof devil make care attitude is just his anti authority personality when in fact, he is just basking in his victory for the entire running time way ahead of everyone else catfish. I'm right there with you. I knew it. I saw it.

This movie is like another award winning film, the usual suspects where everything changes at the end. And again, why wasn't it nominated as Jason said, could this be nominated this year retroactively? I think we should be giving out Oscars to films of the Academy mist. And that would have been a perfect opportunity this year to start it with ski school. Sean and Risa time in and together writes, we were really surprised that no one brought up the third episode of season 11 of always sunny in Philadelphia titled the gang hits the slopes.

It serves as a parody to ski school and is a hilarious companion to this movie for anyone wanting to know what happens to Dave Marshac when he hits middle age. In this episode, Dean Cameron plays the same character who is an older party animal skier leading a ragtag team against a corrupt businessman and his preppy douche pro skier henchman who are trying to buy the mountain. Which mountain is he trying to buy? Oh, a little ski mountain called party mountain. I love it.

You know, I want to play a clip of this because one of the things we were talking about is the announcer in ski school and how the announcer really was laying down a lot of plot. And here's a little clip from always sunny where Charlie Day even jokes about this announcer and how he knows so much about everything on the mountain. Take a listen. Last day to squeeze in some turns before tomorrow's big race on a side note, it's good to see Frank Reynolds back on the hill. We'll see if he can patch things up with old rival Dave Driscoe, but I wouldn't count on

it. Hey, Dennis, did you just hear that? What? That PA announcement. What was that? Well, there's a lot of people on this mountain, Charlie. Everybody's got to stay informed. Yeah, but that guy was like saying a bunch of like really personal information about us.

Like, how does he know that? That's how it works. But why is he talking about us? There's like hundreds of people out here. Well, we're the most important thing that's happening right now. Oh, I love it. So funny. Now I need to know what happened to Dave Marshack.

I'm going to watch that right now. So many great corrections and omissions this week, but there can only be one that is the best. And this week it has to go to, and I think you all know where I'm going. It's got to go to Screamin' Joe Blade, who gave us the best piece of information that we've ever gotten about a film, which is No Dolly Shots Before Noon. Now I wish I could give you something Screamin' Joe Blade, but I can't. I can only give you this amazing song that was written for you by Honest Jams.

Hit it! Okay, if you want to chime in with your own thoughts about the latest episode, hit up the Discord at Discord.gg slash H-D-T-G-M or call me at 619. Paul asks. That's 619. P-A-U-L-A-S-K. Our Discord is also currently taking ideas for Squares on a How Did This Get Made Bingo card that you can play while listening to each episode.

So if you have any ideas for common scenarios, phrases or tropes from the show, submit your ideas at tinyurl.com slash H-D-T-G-M bingo. That's tinyurl.com slash H-D-T-G-M bingo. Coming up next, Jason and I are joined by Carl Tartt and Phil Augusta Jackson to talk about Season 2 of NBC's Grand Crew and a lot more stuff. Stick around. Welcome back. You've likely noticed that on the How Did This Get Made feed every Monday, we've been

pulling old episodes of How Did This Get Made out of the vault and re-releasing them back into the rotation. This week's matinee Monday was a Braxis Guardian of the Universe, which was directed by Damien Lee, who also directed Ski School. And next week's matinee Monday will be Transformers Revenge of the Fallen, which shares a director with Next Week's Film, which I'll reveal at the end of this episode. Ooh, exciting, isn't it? All right.

Before we get to all of that, I am excited to sit down today and chat with Phil Augusta Jackson and Carl Tartt. Jason and I, we improvise with these guys. They're incredibly talented. Phil Augusta Jackson is an improviser, a musician. He is a writer. He wrote on Brooklyn Nine-Nine. He wrote on Camp Peel and he has created Grand Crew.

Carl Tartt, one of the funniest guys out there, loved performing with him. He's popped up in shows like Brooklyn Nine-Nine. He is a lead, obviously, on Grand Crew. And he is a regular on Comedy Bang Bang. And he comes on to my Twitch show with Rob Hubel a lot. Just a great guy. And these are two great guys talking about their show and what they're up to. But before we get into that, take a little listen to Grand Crew.

Are you sure? Do you see that girl back there? The girl with the jukebox? Oh yeah, she's cute. Alright, so I'm coming back from the bathroom and I hear her going on and on and on about boxing. I figure you go over there and talk to her about boxing. You probably have a shot. That's what I'm talking about, Nikki.

Thanks for looking out. Now y'all are prepared to watch a master at work. Get it, get it. I made all of that up. This is a prank. She wasn't talking about boxing. Amazing. This is going to be a disaster.

My beloved. Oh, start. Okay, okay. Oh, there you go. This is even better than I thought it would be. Oh, he's actually pretending to box. I don't understand. Did he tell her that he's a boxer?

Wow. What is he doing? Wow. Good little combo. Oh, he took a shot. It was kind of a sticking move. Okay, he's doing a matrix. Yeah, he's like a mixie.

She doesn't like it. She doesn't like it. She's telling him something. She's telling the lead. She's saying, I don't like violence. Oh, no. Oh, we got him good. That could not have gone better.

We're headed back to her place. Thank you, Nikki. Please welcome Phil Augusta Jackson and Carl Tart. Guys, welcome to the show. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for having us. You guys are getting, you guys are getting horse voice subdued.

Sorry, yeah. You guys are in like the after dark of this show. Sheers doing his voice. Like sexy. What's going on? Forsythia, the Lennon Parham character. I'm going to get a cigarette out for that. I know it's smoky.

I like it. These are the same cigarettes from Robin Paul. I haven't had it. 2020. Wait, Carl. I did not expect you to just actually pull out a cigarette. Really? Carl really put a cigarette in his mouth.

I love this. And these cigarettes, like I said, are two years old. These are like middle of the pandemic. A bit that I did on Robin Paul. Yes. I remember that cigarette. I went to the store and bought a pack of cigarettes. That's great.

And they're still full because I don't smoke. My wife, June, who's on how did this get me with us? When we go to a party, she can get a cigarette going very quickly. I don't know. We never buys a pack, but every party, I'll see her in the corner smoking with somebody, some stranger, getting a little cigarette action on. I feel like it's, I know that she's having a good time of a cigarette is out and happening. It just feels like that is really like, and it's becoming less and less of a thing where

you can find a lot of people. I couldn't tell you the last time I smoked a cigarette. I mean, genuinely 30 years ago. It's a rough flavor. It's too intense for me. One time on this show, Black Monday, we were doing, we had to smoke all the time. And in the pilot, we were like, all right, just lightest, another cigarette, light another cigarette.

And that was those like fake cigarettes. And it just, and I would breathe into my pillow and it would get this, this, like I would, when I was breathing back at myself was so disgusting. I was like, oh, this must be a million times worse if you are an actual smoker. The amount of fake drugs that I've had to take at some point is going to give me a worse cancer than if I had actually smoked cigarettes or, you know, like the fake stuff they give you to snort. All the fake stuff is terrible.

That's what I was going to ask. Have you, you've done fake cocaine? Yeah. What is it? Yeah. What is it? Cause it looks like it's nuts. Nuts.

And then there's like a lactose one. I can't do that. It's the one that I had at something that recently I had to like bury my nose in and take up. And it was like, I was getting so much on Brooklyn. We did it. Yeah. On Brooklyn, we did it.

Yeah. Cause I couldn't remember. That's what made me think of it. Cause I couldn't remember if we actually showed Pimento doing the cocaine or if we dipped you out of frame, but like, I go down, but I do still get it. That's crazy. Oh man. This is interesting because Grand Cru obviously takes place in this wine bar and you all drink

in wine all the time. And I think that that's what people don't know too. Like what is that? Like cause it could that, when we used to drink beer in the league, it would be very like just get disgusting after a while. What is the flavor palette that you're getting on the wine that is in, uh, in Grand Cru? So some people drink, uh, flavor water, Nicole drinks a flavor of water, uh, Justin drinks a flavor of water, Aaron drinks fake wine, which is disgusting.

They have poured me some. It's very bad. It just tastes like vinegar juice. I don't know how he does it, but you know, he's real one of those real actory types. And, uh, and I drink diet Crayon Grape, ocean spray. Okay. That's what they used to give us for wine on the league too, which is too sweet, but when you do multiple times, yeah, yeah, well, that's why I do diet.

I personally would love the real deal, but just drinking wine. Yeah. Oh, no, no, no. Real Crayon Grape. Real Crayon Grape. Real Crayon Grape cocktail. Yeah. I would gain 25 pounds throughout the course of the season if I drink real Crayon Grape.

Oh man. Cause we used to have that thing too. Like whenever you do, um, a show, I think set in a bar, like you also have like, it's it's a high class, but it's a wine bar. So there's, there's more things around like even on the league, we just have a, a tray of like mixed nuts and you're eating that all day too. And like all of a sudden you're like, Oh, I've eaten like 10 bowls of this or I've like dipped into the food too much and then you just go home feeling disgusting at the

end of the day. It is. They push our kudori out for us and I will find something that I want to eat and I'll talk to the prop lady and be like, Hey, how many grapes do you have? Cause I also am, and I, this is a secret, but it's not a secret. I'm sure other actors do the same thing, but I heard when I watched Ocean's 11, I think when I was like 12 years old, when it first came out that Brad Pitt is always eating in a scene.

He's like a shrimp cocktail in the, in Ocean's. Yeah. And, and so I'm now like, if I have the option to be eating something, I also think it's always fun. Yeah. So like it's a, it's a choice that I'm glad I get to make on the show, but like if wherever like at a party, like I want a big bowl of chips. Yeah.

I want, and I'm not really, I maybe eat five because of continuity, but like I want to be having that. To me, that's whenever anybody is eating something, when like Maxine Shaw on living single will always be eating when she came into the room. Cole, on Martin would always be eating when he came into the room. I think Joey would be eating a lot on friends when like, so like that's food is always funny to me. Like just people working with food.

Oh yeah. I, yeah, I go ahead. I was just going to say, as, as the person who's sitting in the edit bay and edits the show, I was wondering how intentional it is because I definitely noticed and I love it. It's like, it's like, it's like there's cereal, there's chips, these like always, he's always working with something. It is, it is, it is always funny and it's always great. There's something great about having a prop.

I agree on the, on the league. It was just a one-off joke in one of the episodes that it would be funny if my character just pulled food out of his pocket and I was like, oh, it'd be funny if it was a hot dog. Can you guys make a hot dog and I'll just pull a fully cooked hot dog in a bun like ready to go out of my pocket. And that became a joke that then recurred so often that there would be days where I would have to eat like 10 hot dogs because I would, we would do these long improv takes and because they were these long improv takes, I'd eat two thirds of a hot dog in the three

minutes it took us to improv. And you can't spit it out because you have to swallow it in the scene. Yeah. And so I would eat and I was, it was disgusting, you know, to your point, Carl, about if you drank the full, you know, cranberry juice or whatever, it was like, I would have so much sodium, so much salt from the hot dogs in my system those days, it would be disgusting. That's really funny. I got to talk about, I got to talk about this show a little bit because, you know, Phil,

I know you as a performer and when we first started performing together, you were working on Brooklyn Nine-Nine as a writer and you got this show and this show and talking to Carl about this show, what I love about it is it really comes from this place of like, it is your life. These are a majority of people on this cast are your friends. And so just talk me through like how you got this idea for the show and what you wanted to do because I feel like for people who have not seen Grand Cru, kind of set the table for us a little bit.

Absolutely. So I was working on Brooklyn Nine-Nine. I wrote on Brooklyn Nine-Nine, uh, seasons three, four, five and six, right in the middle of that time, um, the creator of that show, Dan Gore, was like, Hey, we have a good working dynamic. If you ever want to develop something, let me know and, you know, I, I'm all about working with folks. Uh, I'm all about collaboration.

I just love it so much. Yeah. I mean, I think that's the improviser in all of us. Everybody in this room right now, it's like, oh, shit, you, you fuck with what you fuck with what I'm fucking with. Like let's, let's try and make some shit happen. And um, we started meeting weekly while the room was up and we were just tossing around some random ideas like, you know, what if a dentist can't be a dentist anymore and he's

got to figure out his life or a group of people get stuck in and are like crazy high-premise stuff. Like what, what, what has a hook to it? Wait, what else? I want to know about the dentist. Maybe I'll still, maybe I'll still do this dentist thing, you know, it's got legs. Carl's like, Carl's like, wait, that's the role I want. I want the dentist who's not a dentist anymore.

Yeah. Yeah. Make that a storyline for Carl's character on the show that we could do it. I mean, Carl, Carl's character is the one that hops around career-wise. It would be funny if it's revealed that Carl's character, you know, this, I feel like this season Carl's character is an Uber driver. If it's revealed that he has, he can be a practicing dentist. He just isn't.

Yes. That's amazing. I mean, the beauty of it is his character is a genius. So he can be good at anything immediately, much like the real Carl's heart. So it's like, so that's the thing on the table. Carl, Carl Key's pitching me that, uh, Sharon becomes a weather man. I'm like, it's funny. You got to wait until like season six, you can spend that off and it's like, good morning.

Every four or five episodes, Carl just has a different full-blown career. Um, yeah. But we, you know, and so, but before we start these meetings, Dan would be like, oh, so what's going on in your life? Like, you know, he's got like a family, so his life is just very like different than mine is. Right. And I just be like, oh, I hang out with the homies at this bar called, uh, Covell.

And, you know, we just talk about our lives or dating lives, career and blah, blah, blah. And then after like a couple of weeks, I think it was Dan that was like, I think that might be the show. And I was like, yeah, I think, you know, they say, they say that cliche is like, write what you know. And that, that's how it happened. So it was like us trying to come up with like very clever ideas, but starting our days talking about just the things that were going on in my life.

And then this wine bar became a very, a very obvious kind of tapestry to create the show. And then the rest is just a bunch of, you know, putting the pitch to talk together. And now Carl, you come in, you know, Phil, you know, Nicole, you have to audition for this. And we all have to audition for stuff. Right. Especially as an NBC show. Yeah.

Like where are you at when you come into it? So we were hanging out and we were, we'll be at Covell through every step of, right. When he said we're about to pitch the show, we got a, we got a full deck. We got this. We got that. We're about to go in tomorrow. We sold the show in the room. We did it.

And at that moment, I'm just a supportive friend. Like now I know what the show is about. I know that I know I'm probably going to audition for it. Like this is the realest, honest to God truth. But I, like at that moment, I'm just being a supportive friend. Just happy for my homeboy that he is sold the show. He's about to be a show runner, like to a major network. That's dope.

I'm in the Keenan room at the time and that's when the audition process starts. So I auditioned for the first time and the first time I was prepared for Phil to be in the room, but our other friend, Tim Chang was also in the room. And I kind of was like, man, get your ass out of here. Because Tim was, Tim was my assistant at the time for the photo. Yeah. Yeah. And so I was like, I didn't, I didn't know he was going to be here too.

Get out of here. And I think he did leave. And then had to go back like the next day. But again, that was just another job for me. Didn't go in there. Of course I'm not going to go in there and act like I don't know who Phil is, but like I'm, I'm here to do a job. So I'm going to try to be good at that job and I auditioned for two characters that

day. And, and so I was, you know, wanted to be, and you know, did I, and this, this is any casting directors listening to this, I'm sorry, but this job I probably prepared for a little bit more, you know, like then I normally is that because you, is that because you wanted to do right by Phil or because you really wanted it? Yeah. Yeah. I didn't know both.

It was actually, it's both of those. Yeah. One, I didn't know what Phil had said to them about me. So I didn't want to go in there and mess up. And to be honest, I had had another situation that was like this where I went into audition for the, my player character on NBA 2K 19 or 20 and was like, man, it's a video game. I'm going to, I'm just, and the script was like weird. And I was like, nah, I'm going to go in here and read all the scripts and be fine.

And I walked into the room and I did buddy Aaron Covington, who also wrote Creed as a person who wrote the, the copy and I, I bombed it, and they bombed it. When you bomb it, when you bomb an audition, it sucks, but when you bomb an audition in front of a friend who has like vouched for you or who brought you in, then you feel just absolutely horrible. I felt horrible to where I apologized to him. I was like, Hey man, I don't know if you talked me up to the people or anything like that, but I'm sorry, man.

I did not know you was going to be in there. And to be honest, when I saw NBA 2K, I was like, man, what is this? Like what? I got other things to do. It's not like you play NBA 2K and go like, wow, the acting on that, my player, really? Exactly. I did not. I didn't know what the hell was going to happen.

I didn't know how deep they were going to start getting, this was probably like one of the first ones where they really went deep into the storyline and they had all these cut scenes and everything. So I didn't know what that was going to be. So I, I did not prepare well for that one. So this time going in, knowing that I really wanted to do the show, knowing that I, knowing that I was going to go in and be seen in front of a friend, I really prepared for it. And I had both, both characters, lines memorized and everything.

And I like really did the work and wanted to do a good job. And then they called me back the second time and I went back in and had to do the same thing again. I figured that there were, now that I've seen Tim Chang in there, I feel like there was going to be more people in the room that I was going to know. So just being prepared for that, Phil, probably Dan, who also worked for and like, I didn't know, I was just preparing for myself for everything. And so I went back and then they call me back for the chemistry reads and then Phil called

me and told me that I had gotten the part. And it was, you know, kind of surreal in that moment. And it still felt like it was, it was amazing. And, but then, you know, those thoughts, those intrusive thoughts get into your head. Like now everybody's going to think that I just got this because Phil's my friend. They don't know the process that I just went through. They don't know how, you know, like they don't know. And so, but it was, that's just what we do as people who care.

And then like, I was extremely grateful and I'm still extremely grateful for it. And for this to be my first long term job, I couldn't ask for a better one for the fact that we do all know each other and are like, because, you know, you know, you guys know how it is, like being in that UCB green room where the person that's booked the job comes in and they're complaining about it a little bit and everybody's like, fuck you, man. We got to drink these free Bud lights out of this fridge because we can't afford drinks at the barton next door. I don't give a shit that you're having a horrible time on your TV show, kiss my ass.

There is something to be said for, you know, what you're talking about, which is, you know, what you guys have is an ensemble based comedy show that is majority your peer group, your friend group, people that you, I'm assuming, love working with and are able to elevate in a way that is absolutely fantastic, like your dynamic, your individual dynamics are come through so hard, the fact that you guys all know each other and are vibing off of each other and are riffing off of each other. That is so much, it's baked into the ensemble nature of the show, which makes it feel so much, so much funnier than just a sitcom that's set up at a bar or whatever.

There's something about this friend group being based on your actual friends and having all of you guys there, it's pretty fantastic, like you riffing with Nicole and right now, like Nicole and Colton as a couple, like there's stuff in this show that is just absolutely hilarious. And then there's just stuff that I think, like I wrote you, Carl, last year, like in season one, I don't remember which episode it was, but you're wearing an all white outfit and one of the, oh, if you just, oh, the opening moment of that is like the wine like tap, it's like a beard, you know, that kind of breaks and you just get soaked in this.

I laughed so hard at that, like, and there's some big moments like that. I feel like the sleepover episode, like this 103, like, yeah, like there's like, so you can do this like big, I don't know, big fun comedy stuff, but then it's also like based in these characters. I just love the, I love the relationship between these characters and you can kind of go between both of these things. Yeah, it's got like real heart, but it's also absolutely sick. Oh yeah.

I mean, yeah, we want, we want, it's hard last. That's the goal, you know what I mean? Oh yeah. Also, I will say with that coat open with the wearing white, I mean, a version of that, I mean, this show is just a heightened version of the stuff that we go through. Some of it is, you know, just pulled from the headlines of stuff we've gone through and some of it's like, oh, interesting conversations we had that we get to make stories out of, but I definitely spilled wine all over Carl, all over Carl, all over Carl, and is it called

the study? The place that's next to Hyperion, not Hyperion public, public house. Public house. Yeah. I don't know if you remember Carl. We were all out one night. We were all out one night. You were wearing a really dope outfit.

And then I think we had switched locations to that bar and I ordered like a cab saw and I spilled it like all over your outfit. And you were like, and you were so, I mean, what are you going to do? It's like, you're, obviously you're a little like, oh well, I wish that didn't happen, but it's like we're home, we're homey, so you're like, all right, yeah, no, it's cool. It's cool. It's cool. And then it was, I think much like the cold over, you were like, yeah, I think I'm going

to go home. Yeah. I just, it makes me laugh so because I feel like it is like, this is like a fun, I mean, again, it's a fun friend group, but then I also feel like there's this other element that I feel like other shows really hasn't captured, which is this wine culture stuff as well. Well, there's like, there's wine conversations in the show, you know, like akin to sideways. Yes.

You know what I mean? Like where you guys are, seem to be interested in talking about, but not just as a setting, but talking about the wine. Absolutely. I mean, yeah, I think the, you know, and, and Cauca speaks to this too, but like, I think the goal is to track it over how our relationship with wine has evolved in real life. So like when we first started going to Coville, we didn't really know anything. So we're asking a lot of questions and, you know, it's, it's coming a little bit more

from a place of kind of being new to the terrain. And then the DNC's in two is to make it kind of in view it a little bit more seamlessly because the more time you spend at this place, the more you get to know what you like and things of that nature. And so that's kind of, that was the thought behind, you know, how we're treating it, but it's been really nice to see people that are wine enthusiasts really gravitate towards a show as well. Do you have like a, like a met, like, you know, like a hospital drama, so have like

a medical expert on set. Do you have like a wine? A Somalia. Somalia. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You do.

Devin Reed. Devin Reed. Amazing. He's awesome. I love that. And Carl, like, are you a wine drinker? I mean, you were with this crew before that. Like, are you still a wine drinker?

Like it's, that's why I feel like I can't quite put my palate on. Like Jason, you've introduced me to good wines. I like drinking, but I feel like I don't have enough adventurous people. June will only drink one wine, which is called butter. You can guess what that tastes like. Chardonnay. It's a white wine. Yeah.

Yeah. Chardonnay. Yeah. Yeah. And I don't, I can't drink that. It won't like, it's fine. It's not my go-to. Great to come in.

Yeah. Like I, like for me, I'll open up a bottle of red, but I don't know how to keep it. My friend just gave me like this, like, decanter that I put in there and it basically like, it aerates. So it's like, you, um, oh my gosh, I feel like I want to call it. Big and white at the bottom. Very narrow. And then you put, oh, oh, that, I have a decanter, decanter.

This is like a, I put a plug in the top of it and then I put like a little machine, a little device in it that's battery powered and has a cut. I think this is a, this is a dildo. You might be talking about a dildo. And then I suck on it and then I go, and it's like, it vibrates, uh, but this keeps the wall of the bathtub, but it keeps the wine fresh. So now I'm able to, yeah, I forget what it is, it's like a, a regular, a regular, like just corking it back with just, you have to drink it within like two or three days.

I think I've heard that this, you can have it for longer than that. I've got a couple of, I've got a couple of different versions of this. And yeah, they, they, they give you a couple of extra days basically, but not, not too much more. I'm right with you there, Paul, when it comes to wine drinking. So I, the, the pilot episode last season, when we walk in and, uh, and I'm like, okay, uh, I want to turn up. Like I'm not trying to, what is this?

That really happened. Uh, one night Phil had a, the night that we started going to Coville, Phil had a meet in there and, uh, he was like, yo, just meet me here. We were, it was a Saturday night. So we were about to go out, you know, get on the town and, uh, and Phil was like, meet me at this spot. And I'm like, cool. And I walk up to the bar and I'm like, yeah, let me get a whiskey Coke.

And, uh, they're like, we don't do that here. And I'm like, what the hell we doing here? Cause this is all, this is a proper just like wine and beer bar. Yeah. And the beer is not going to be like anything that you reckon is going to be a small brew. It's going to be, they've got four different ciders. Yeah. And I don't be wanting beer.

You know what I mean? Like I'm already like, I'd rather have my carbs elsewhere. Like I'd rather go to Subway. I don't want, I'd rather go Jersey Mike's. I don't want to have, I don't want to drink my Jersey Mike's. And so, but then once we got into it and started learning about it and, and being able to talk it and stuff like that, then it, it got a lot easier to, to deal with. And I also do have a lot of wine here.

We, because we've all gone up the coast and joined clubs and they send the wine and then you got to be like, Hey, can you cancel this because I'm not drinking this wine as fast as you're sending it. Oh yeah. You go up, whenever you go and visit any wine, are you like, I'm going to drink this every day. And then all of a sudden like two cases later, I got a, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I have so much.

And the only time I open it up is, you know, I might, I don't, I don't drink at home really. Right. And so I have wasted quite a few bottles when I'd open them and then leave them on the counter or put them in the fridge and then three weeks goes by, I'm like, I can't drink this is bad. Yeah. So I've gotten two glass out of it. If I'm, you know, entertaining, I'm at a Moselle or something like that.

I never, I never, yeah, I'm a French woman, a lot of French ladies in my neighborhood. But I'll get away. If you're, you're only going to give a French girl wine. Yeah. Yeah. When I'm at home cooking, I'm, I won't cactus cooler or something like that. I don't, I don't want wine. And so, but I do like it when we go out and now that I can like talk it and, and, and

really like, you know, identify, like we have a, we have a mutual friend, shout out Cassandra who works at the wine spot and she'll like quiz me. She'll just pour up something and be like, okay, tell me what you, tell me what you taste in here. Yeah. And we have a, like we'll sit there and, and I'll be able to, you know, identify notes and stuff now. Guys, I know that the show obviously is every Friday night, but I want to talk to you about

what you're all into. Phil, besides being a great writer, directing episodes this season as well. You also create music and I love your music. Including the theme song for grand crew. You can follow Phil on Spotify, but what are you listening to? What are you watching? Like, what are you into right now? Right now, I'm trying to think what I've, what I've been listening to.

I have been listening to any new albums I've been listening to, I've been listening to like old stuff. That's good. Tell us in. I listen to a lot of, I love jazz, so I listen to a lot of Coltrane and when I go on these walks and stuff like that, I feel like I, there's a, there's a recently released Elvin Jones album that is like old live Elvin, and it's incredible. Okay.

Yeah, absolutely. I'll check that out. I mean, it's a, that's been the vibe lately. It's like, like Anita Baker, Carl, Carl put together a playlist of like old school jams to help me get inspired for this season of grand crew. And so I listen to that playlist when I'm walking, when I'm walking sometimes. Oh, that's great. That's great.

That's like, I love, cause I do that too when I'm writing something. I, I bet it's great that it came from Carl. I create a playlist that I feel like these are the songs from this script or this thing I'm putting together. Yeah. Yeah. Um, I, I just finished the, this book called atomic habits. That was pretty cool to like just, just to get inspired and just to get more efficient

with life and shit like that. I got to tell you a book that I think you'll read. I was going to tell Jason about this. I've been talking about this, um, Rick Rubin's book, the crew, that it is so good, it blew me away. Like there, every now and then I'll read a book that like you're talking about atomic habits where you're like, Oh, this changes a little bit of my perception of things. The creative act, a way of being Rick Rubin, if just changed my way, I really thinking

about creativity, partnership, collaboration. And it's like, and it's not like he's not trying to sell you anything. Like it's not like, he doesn't need to. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. Exactly. That's how I felt about that documentary.

He did a Shangri-La that was, that's about his studio that was destroyed in the fires and, um, yeah, exactly. And it's all about that studio and his process. And it's like five episodes and it's very similar. It's all about the creative process and what, what his kind of purpose or what his point of view is inside of his job as a, a producer and it's all to facilitate the creative process. That's his whole thing to not get in the way, to get out of the way and to help facilitate. But anyway, super interesting and a million like, like great insights from him, I thought,

in that thing. That's awesome. It was so interesting. He was talking, he was, um, you can listen to him read it too, because he reads his own book on an audible. So it's, he's got a great voice and, uh, but he, I listened to him on an interview show. I'm not a big grateful dead fan. Like that's not been something that I've ever, you know, I'm not against it, but I've just

not, you know, whatever. And, uh, he was talking about why they are so interesting and they're like, why are, why is that banned? How do people get behind it? And he was like, they're not perfect. And that's what's interesting. He was like, there are bands out there that are tighter, that are stronger, that are better. But when you're watching it, you feel like you're watching something that's wholly unique

that can never really quite happen again. Like you're part of it. It has that jazz element, improv element. It's interesting. So that's what I was just going to say as improvisers, what people love, what fans are obsessed with about the grateful dead. Like the grateful dead's studio albums are almost irrelevant to the fan base. It is the interpretations of those songs that are performed live and how the band takes

the inspiration from those original songs and turns them into these things that then are being interpreted for years and years and years. And so that's why fans of the dead are so dedicated to, oh, my favorite version of that song is the live at the film or this, or is that, is this date here? Or this song really didn't become what it was until they figured this part of it out or whatever. So what types of changes are they doing live though? Are we talking like jams?

Oh, okay. They're jamming out. Got jams. It's all jams and those jams then can inform a song that was recorded very slowly on an album becomes a much faster, like the whole song can change. And this is the case for a lot of jazz albums as well. Is fish the same? Fish is the same.

You know, fish is the same. Fish is like, I feel like there's something that's a little bit more elevated, I guess, but Trayana Stasio has like that same, like he's a genius. I don't know. Maybe the cultures. No, no. It's all those artists are about, similar again to what we do, they are all about the live performance, the live experience and that it's there for this night only or whatever.

You know, like it is those albums, if you're going to listen to, you know, like Miles is never going to play, you know, Olio, the way he did on the album. He's going to every show, every solo is a different interpretation of that song. It's interesting to think about an album being like an outline for the live performance, which is like not usually how I approach listening to music, but that's cool. I think that's really cool. Like Carl, you got a great podcast, Gossip Kings, where you're watching Gossip Girls, and by the way, I've told so many people about this podcast, it's hilarious.

And I have people like young girls, I know, listen to this podcast because they are also watching Gossip Girls, like they just happen to be watching it at the same time, I've recommended it. So it's become like a hit there. Like, so you got to listen to that, but what else are you up to? Like, what are you into like listening to or watching or reading? So I've always been like an old soul with music. My mom is my, I got a young mom.

And so I listened to a lot of the music that she grew up listening to because she was still playing it because it's, you know, what she likes. But I also, one thing I noticed before we had streaming platforms, DSPs and stuff like that was I would know all these artists, but only know one or two of their hits. Yeah. And so I've, now that we have access to like their whole catalogs, I'll go back and listen to their albums and realize that some of them suck. And I'm like, man, they came out with like two good songs, but this album is trash.

And so like, I don't want to put the artists out there, but I will say like, I've been, as far as new stuff goes, I'm still Drake's and 21 Savage's album is still in heavy rotation for me. Of course, Sizzler's new album is still in heavy rotation for me is very, very good. I listened to the R&B Spotify playlist and find new artists to check out. And I also still play, I've realized that I'm becoming the old head that only plays music from when I first started driving. And so my 2007 playlist are very in rotation right now, especially when I go back to like

the area I grew up in, which is just, you know, the West Side LA, if I'm going to like check my mail or something, I go, Amy, you need to turn on this. I remember when I first used to turn down this street when I was a senior in high school or whatever. But watching wise, yeah, we've been XOXO, Gossip Kings, the podcast. I am watching Gossip Girl in real time, one, like one or two episodes a week. So don't spoil anything for me. Those people out there, if you do, I'll block you.

And how far in, because this has been going on for years now, how far into this are you? Season four episodes. Wow. I think there are six. Oh, okay. Season. Who's your favorite Gossip Girl? Oh man, Paul, these people are so terrible.

And watching this through the lens of a 33 year old man, 33 year old black man at that, this is an experience that I have no interest in. And so I, but I do like the show. I'm not going to say I don't like it, but I also hate it at the same time. But I don't have a favorite character because these are all the types of people who I've dealt with over the years, and I hate these type of people. So people ask, well, who's your favorite character on the show? I go, Rufus, the dad.

And everybody's like, why do you like him? So whether he doesn't do anything. And I go, yeah, but he's the only normal nice person. Everybody else is such a piece of shit. And so it's very hard. Rufus, the old and Serena's little brother Eric is also like a normal person. Rufus the dad, guys, season two has started. You could start off if you wanted, like season two, we're coming back from a cliffhanger

of season one, Noah has proposed, but you're still, you can catch up. If you have Peacock and you should have Peacock, they've got great stuff. You can catch up on a grand crew whenever you want. It's open to you. But if you want to watch it live on NBC and you should, that's on Friday nights, 8 30. That's right. 8 30. And listen, if you've got Peacock, order, pull up grand crew and play the whole thing straight

in a row. Just let it go. Just play the whole season, make your way through it, but auto play the whole season. Finish the show. Yes. It makes a difference in our world now. It makes a difference. It does.

Get on. It really does. And also it should be noted that I think everyone in this room has worked on Brooklyn Nine Nine in some capacity. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. And so now it has been established that grand crew exists in the Brooklyn Nine Nine

universe. This is amazing. Yes. Because we had Will Hines on the show as his character from Brooklyn Nine Nine, Carl Kerm. Incredible. And so that's just the thing I wanted to say. And I was just very happy to do that.

I love it. Will is my oldest. Also, Adrian Pimento on grand crew, make it happen. Oh, baby. Make it happen. My cybersecurity expert who loves charcuterie, we're talking about eating food on set. There was a bit that we cut out of Brooklyn Nine Nine. It was like me and Chelsea Prattie going at it, and I had to eat a whole olive and then

spit out the pit, but it was hard to clean the olive every time, and they had to cut it every time, but Chelsea's like, that was like one of my favorite bits in the show that we could, that is not on the show because it just took too long. My character in, I played a delivery man who got, who was really high, who got scared during a crime scene on Brooklyn Nine Nine, that delivery man did not have a name. Was his name, Charm? Probably. Probably Charm.

Yes. Could have been Charm. Charm had a little stint in Brooklyn. That would be pretty great. I love this. That would be pretty great. Whatever you need me, Pimento, absolutely, can roll right through, Grant Crue, it caused a lot of chaos.

This is so fun, guys. Watch Grant Crue. You will love it, and the cast is not just, I just think it's one of the best cast on TV too. We talked about Nicole Byers, how did this get made, favorite. So watch her on this show. I think she's fantastic on this show. Echo Kellam is so great.

Everybody, you've introduced me to people that I love too. So, Grant Crue, Peacock, NBC, do it up. Thank you, Phil. Thank you, Carl. Thank you so much. For being with us. Appreciate you. Thank you so much to Phil and Carl for chatting with me and Jason, and be sure to check out

season two of Grant Crue airing every Friday at 8.30 p.m. or stream it on Peacock. And to all you singer and songwriters out there, remember, we're always accepting new theme songs for just chat and other last look segments, so send them in at how did this get made at yourwolf.com. Okay. Now that we got C-School out of the way, let's talk about next week's film. We are going from a race in the snow to a chase for some dough. That's right.

I love, I love these transitions. We are watching the 2022 action flick ambulance, directed by Michael Bay, and starring Jake Gyllenhaal. Here's a short breakdown of the plot. Two brothers, one a career criminal, the other a decorated veteran, hijacked an ambulance after a heist getaway that goes spectacularly wrong. That Tomatoes gives this film a 68% score on the tomato meter. And Christie LaMere from KPCC in Los Angeles says, ambulance is so dumb.

And I was so ashamed of myself for enjoying it as much as I did. Christie, I feel the same. Let's take a listen to the trailer 32 million. You're my brother. I will do anything for you. I came to you for a loan, not this. What do you want? Just going to borrow it.

Thank robbery suspects have taken an ambulance. I'm going to get you back home, little brother. I'm going to get everybody home. Ambulance. You can stream Ambulance for free on Amazon Prime, video or rented on Apple TV, YouTube or Google Play. I encourage you to also check out Hoopla or Canopy, which are digital media services offered by your local public library that allow you to consume movies, books, audio

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